Clearview vs. Laforge vs. Skyzone vs. Achilles Pro
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I'm testing four hot FPV receivers: the new ClearView Fatshark Module; UBAD LaForge v4; Skyzone Sky03 Goggles; and the budget option: Achilles Pro firmware running on the Eachine Pro58 module.
IS CLEARVIEW WORTH IT?
IS CLEARVIEW BETTER THAN LAFORGE?
IS ACHILLES AS GOOD AS LAFORGE?
IS SKYZONE BETTER THAN FATSHARK?
-- TABLE OF CONTENTS / TIMESTAMPS --
2:20 - Clearview w/ 2x Omni antennas, flying outside the patch antenna beamwidth of the other modules
4:40 - Clearview w/ 2x Omni antennas, flying inside the patch antenna beamwdith of the other modules
7:14 - Clearview w/ one patch and one omni antenna, flying outside the patch antenna beamwdith
10:28 - Clearview w/ one patch and one omni antenna, flying inside the patch antenna beamwidth
13:34 - Closing thoughts and conclusions.
-- PRODUCT LINKS --
UBAD LaForge v4
* GetFPV - Main Module: goo.gl/GCyFuh
* GetFPV - Diversity Module: goo.gl/tdqUFa
* UBAD - Both Modules: goo.gl/j8Kbq7
Iftron ClearView Module
* GetFPV - goo.gl/ZXCTYY
* ReadyMadeRC - goo.gl/vMrct5
Skyzone Sky03
* Banggood - goo.gl/mfKuNC
* GetFPV - goo.gl/cXeZJi
Eachine Pro58
* Banggood - goo.gl/Ktokht
ST Link Adapter to flash Pro58
* Banggood - goo.gl/tnCH8R
Achilles Pro Firmware for Pro58:
goo.gl/NZV3Gg
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Table of contents and timestamps is in the video description!
Joshua Bardwell thanks for the f4 video cause i set up today two models and the f4 flights way better wen i went to flight them🤟🏼👍🏼🛸💨🎮
BOOM! Thanks for the hard work you do homie G skillet
C'mon, say it @Joshua Bardwell . There are plenty of us who are fairly blind and with much less experience. We need definite(ish) answers.
Well darn. I can't decide without being told. Now I have to buy all four.
Joshua Bardwell can u put the Achilles or the tru d in the attitude v4
Oh c'mon tell us your opinion. Your're the fpvknowitall. I'm sticking with the Eachine pro58. It can't be beat for the money. Good video dude!
LaForge won.
CV did not show its strengths, but since this test reflects the conditions many people fly under, it's still relevant. And the marketing from CV suggests it should win even under these conditions, so there is definitely a disconnect somewhere.
Pro58 did fine especially at like 1/3 the cost of LaForge.
Sky03 did okay but didn't hold as well as LaForge, but if you're looking at Skyzone, you're picking it for something other than the pure RF sensitivity.
I figured it just didn't need to be said.
that's what i thought also... laforge, but I'm glad i got the pro58
Yes well but is it worth the extra money? :)
The glare on the Laforge monitor was totally unintentional, right? Thanks for taking the time to collect this info!
I noticed this too. LaForge was my favourite of them all
Old video I know, but I am genuinely impressed with how the Eachine+Achilles very clearly beat out the stock module in the Skyzones in a lot of scenarios.
OMG the degree of detail and preparation you put into the testing boggles my mind. Thank you!
Laforge killed it. Honestly i like clearview in a racing setting the most though. I tried true d, laforge and clearview for racing and clearview was just awesome in a crowd but laforge holds its own to. I raced with clearview in a hh gregg store and my video was perfect. So for me it seems like clearview is better for a racer and laforge is a better module for all around. The other 2 in the video annoyed the crap out of me with the flickering between antennas. Thats what sucked about the V1 true D it took to long to switch.
Schnurr Fpv so what are you going to do keep la forge or clearview
You're impressed at that Eachine thing, aren't you? I know I am!
As a TruD/domv3 guy I was most impressed by the Achilles!
Very interesting. I actually found it most useful to watch at 2x so it is real time. When I watched it at 1x the blackouts seems like they lasted forever. But at 2x they all seems reasonably flyable. Scary but flyable. I think it would be helpful to show the satellite shot you posted on Facebook showing the path and the fact that there is a building between where you are standing and flying. In this environment it certainly appears difficult to justify cost of the Clearview, but I appreciate you addressing that at the end. The flights I have seen in warehouses and offices has been impressive. I liked you using the screens. A tarp to cut the glare would be nice for next time. It was a little hard to watch the Laforge. I also liked that you had the Skyzones in there. I’m surprised you have those still and didn’t have to return them for the retooling. They seems to do as well as the modules, but a different times. They would be clear when the others were not and vise versa. And looking at how long I have rambled I wonder if there is a comment length limit.
And you can change the video speed on mobile now.
I looked and didn't see where I could change the speed on my android.
Roto Vicious Ah, I don’t have an Android. In IOS you can change it in the mobile app. You can not change the speed in Safari.
Roto Vicious Android: short press the video (as to get out the controls like pause, skip) and press the three upper right dots. Then a menu appears that let you choose playback speed. This is in the UA-cam app
Looks to me that the Achilles was a constant 2nd in every test. The LaForge clearly showed less breakups and is the clear winner in the "Absolute". But for most people with limited budget, the Achilles destroyed them all in the Rssi per bang category, I did not expect it to fair this well.
Also, it's not critical for the test, but the glare on the LaForge monitor made me look more often at the other screens just because it's more confortable for the eye.
Thank you for the testing Joshua !
Josh, you've done a wonderful job setting up this comparison study.
For me, who is a noob & living off a disability pension & being a single parent, I buy whatever I can get away with. While some maybe looking for a clear winner, all I want is something that won't cost my 1st born & FPV (RC & quads in general) is an expensive hobby. I know I should have taken up reading instead but I like gadgets.
For me, the winner is Achillies. Something so cheap yet almost as good as the best, is a consollation that I can live with. Maybe one day when my son starts cleaning chimneys I will elevate my spendings but for now, your video's help me avoid so many money pits that you get a 3 out of 3 "Big Fat Hugs"!!
Nice thorough test and it was fun slowing down and speeding up the video while listening to your narrative.
We love hearing your opinion, don't be afraid to let it out!! =P
Just the fact alone of Clearview not completely blacking out without any warning makes it so much more flyable for me.
Wow, fantastic video. With my limited knowledge base, I did miss your opinion. Some excellent footage from each unit, many thanks.
slowing down the video makes the other modules brief flickers last twice as long...
You can easily speed it back up to full speed if you like, using the playback speed option on UA-cam. Just set the playback speed to 2x.
My understanding is the Clearview repairs the sync pulses, so you'll end up with a consistent image, even if the sync data has been distorted by noise. Everything else is just a toss up as to what parts of the signal arrive, and what parts of the frame are decipherable - you probably won't see a consistent difference between the other modules. Ira has been on record as saying you still get 70% of the benefit from a single antenna, and the sync pulse would be fairly easy to recover, a few old analog chips do it. I guess the remaining 30% would be some sort of averaging of the frame data.
Glad I decided on the LaForge V4. Already installed in my goggles.
Sparky Josh LaForge won in this test too me. Clearview is way overpriced but I have the furious V3 and it does me well.
Thank you Bardwell, you saved me once again today. Please enjoy a cheeseburger once a month on me. 👍😁
Im watching this again during the lockdown. Trying hard to recognise the birds that live near jb from the background sounds
Have to say the ACHILLES was impressive for the price. Perhaps a blackout blanket and black background would help to display the screens - but great job there Joshua, really good shootout and clearly a lot of work to set up. ( Lions in the background were noisy).
Barring the clearview, they'll all have nearly identical receivers
Excellent! As much as it was interesting to see ClearView at a "disadvantage", I did like seeing Apples to Apples, all with the same antennas. That being said, cheers to the review, LOOOVVVE recording the screens directly, that was an epic way to do it (Yes, the ClearView and LaForge were the two I was super interested in : )
5 Stars my man. Wow! Really helps breakdown what is really going to perform and how. That set up looked great. Thank you for all the work that went into this video. Greatly appreciated
Good job! Would be really awesome if you could test how hard the modules hold on to their assigned channel by powering up other transmitters on different channels close by. I understand that might be a challenging one, and that certain assumptions and simplification must be made, but it would still be a very interesting test.
That glare though on the LaForge screen....
Even if the range performance of the clearview is not proportional to the price, I can see a great picture stability the others don't have. Sometimes during a signal loss, a frame will leave the screen upwards or sidewards, giving you the impression you are turning : that's the worse kind of interference (worse than a blackout of the same duration). Clearview doesn't have anything like this, the elements in the picture remain consistently positionned on the screen throughout interferences, the image just becomes blurry but stable instead of flickering all over.
I 100% agree. If you value this type of image stability then ClearView is worth the price to you.
Yup, that is the reason I chose Clearview. Especially flying into a turn in 70 mph then having a picture roll (screen upward or sidewards) is not pretty.
The light glare on the LaForge screen skews it a bit for me; it's the one I most wanted to compare to the ClearView...
Great stuff. Just put a box round the screens for the next test. Great work. And thanks for all your info. Much appreciated!
Laforge for the money and it's damn close if not better than the Clearview. I'd like to see how they perform in an indoor environment, maybe that's where Clearview would shine?
Thanks JB! I look forward to all your informative videos! I'm still rather new to the FPV world so watch all your videos. Looking at buying new goggles so this will help
I'd like to see a comparison between a stock Pro58 and a modded one flashed with Achilles.
That was a cool test, I think recording the screens is better than the DVR footage, especially when the static/lines are going crazy - DVR often has a hard time with that. Next time it might be good to cover the camera/screens so that the reflections on the screens aren’t so visible. Maybe a black sheet would do it. It would be nice to see how the clear view compares if you’re flying in a metal/concrete environment!
Given what I've seen here and in my own experience the receiver maters but not as much as the antennas being used. Which is odd I see a good amount of people sinking money into receiver modules then using whatever random antenna they can find.
What were the video monitors you are using? I was very impressed with the accillies it worked well considering the cost. I jumped at the laforge v4 as soon as they were released. I do have the problem with the osd on the hd3’s but ubad are amazing to deal with and there support is great. Just waiting for the replacement modules to get to Australia to get it replaced.
1:14 WOW! Now that is one dope AF test bed
I remember on your interview with the creator of Clearview about a year ago, he said you can use a patch and a omni antenna and it does act as diversity. That was for the older module, but I think it would be the same. He only said not to for some specific situation. (He says it in the interview, I just don't recall what he said.?
we have been using the eachine and it is the best with the Achilles worth every penny with free updates plus 32bit not 8 bit
Thank you for the info! I just want to point out that the glare on the laforge makes it a little hard to see in the video. I can still make it out though.
Perhaps You should try and work out a test for bleed over from other channels as a lot of people fly together. if a receiver is better at range I bet its not as good as one that has a shorter range for bleed over.. maybe put another VTX some were you can fly by it and see what happens.
I think a clearview full size vs goggle comparison would be interesting. The full size unit is undoubtedly magical. I'd like to see how it compares to the fatshark module.
I just covered the left side of my screen and watched and out of the two its hard to tell. What if you are flying in abandoned places with buildings and warehouses what would you recommend
Have you ever tried running just 4 of the same RX and see what the differences between them are? It would be interesting.
I have tested 3x LaForge side by side although I never published the results. I found that one of my old. LaForge units was defective and didn't use it for testing any more.
You'll just see random variations in the radio propagation, same as you do here
for the price Achilles was the winner.
Great work mr bardwell.. i made my choice months ago based on my budget.. my choice was in your line up and performed well.. if your on a budget the 58pro and achilles is a great module.. 👍keep up the great work FPVKIA 👍
Loved the video! Also loved how you edited in all those cute nature sounds. Great way to do it. Here are the results you see what you like!
That was just the actual sounds of my yard. At half speed.
I think you should record more outside. Its kinda Joshua's FPV Zen show!!! Ease all your FPV and quad frustrations. " I am Joshua Bardwell and you are going to be relaxed today!"
I'd say of the four Clearview actually has the lowest raw Rx sensitivity and Achilles the highest.
The others all show a better picture when they're good, and worse when they're bad, while the Clearview is simply more consistent, because it never loses VSYNC (it generates its own). I've seen Clearview do incredible things before in a race environment, so I don't know if it just handles multipathing and other nearby channel interference that much better, or whether the other diversity solutions are just all catching up.
Im wonder how the rapidfire from irc will compete against the true d
JB, please test it when it comes out! It is supposed to use some sort of Clearview type algorithms....
Joshua the la forge definitely looked like it had the least break ups clear view still had some signal most of the time, but the question is the sky zone when in range it seemed like the quality of picture no necessarily the reception was it cleaner or was that due to glare?
Antenna is always the major factor with FPV feed, use better antennas and you will always get better reception whatever modules/receivers you are using!
also would be interesting to see how the aomway commanders would do in a test like this
ua-cam.com/video/B_fSovaT7Cc/v-deo.html
I'll be looking at that Pro58...if my True D V1 dies...or maybe a new True D, and flash Achilles to see the difference. At this point, it seems Achilles adds some improved features, but not sure it benefits signal ability.
You should do one with the Aomway commanders, they are more popular than the skyzones IMO
I was really impressed with the Eachine module (and by the sounds of it, so were you!)
Would love to see the same test with the Realacc module, and the aomway commanders, I've noticed the commanders often out perform my la forge v3.
Really hard to tell watching this video and hard to see the screens the laforge has a big white glare to the right and clearview seemed to stay kina staticy most of the time
This kind of solidifies the hunch I got from the last Clearview preview. It's just another goggle receiver module. Nothing special, except it costs 3-4 times more. I'm so disappointed by this reality. I bet Iftron wishes they had filled those pre-orders sooner, because I'm fairly certain I'm canceling mine now.
Great video, Please put a cloth of something up in the future so that there is less glare on the screen but other than that really appreciate all the effort you put in :D
Hi, firstly, thanks for all your videos and the hard work you put in. Secondly, your decision to leave it up to the viewer to decide.. just an utterly spot on decision. Kudos for that. And to the point... I am a cheap ass. And I happen to be in no position to spend hundreds on gear to feed my fpv addiction regardless, but let's just say, I'm a very frugal kinda guy. I have a set of fatshark predator v2s, they as you may be aware, are not modular. However, being a frugal nerd, I established that the module inside my pv2's has the same pinout as other modules. And took the plunge and bought the pro58 and Achilles fw, some serious desoldering to remove my module and insert some female headers, cut a hole in my casing to insert the module. And blow me down if I didn't nail it big time with that mod. This was quite a game changer. My video is just...its beautiful I can't lie. Would I recommend cutting a hole in your fatshark predator v2s....yes. but this is no amateur hour operation kids. So don't blame me if you balls it up and your mummy has to buy you a new set of fpv goggles. Ok. But I digress. The pro58 module should not be underestimated by any means. I fly quads yes, but I have developed a serious love for wings, I make my own from scratch (yes frugality at its best) but I have only been disappointed by ready made super expensive wings. My wing is....quite simply the balls and it cost....like 30bucks and that was vtx, ESC, PCB, cam, rx, servos. Yknow...that required elements. Thanks to my super bad ass pro58 (and Achilles is a must I cannot emphasize that enough) a pagoda2 on tx and rx. And a cheap patch. I fly miles. Clear as day video. So if your broke, cheap, or just not sure.... Pro58...blue pill.... Achilles....2x pagoda2's and a patch.....this is your eBay shopping list. And read the god damnit instructions. Please see my videos for proof of pudding. I have not the cash for a GoPro. Almost all my footage is DVR. All my videos as of September 2017 are with the pro58. Thanks. And goodbye.
P.s my cam is shit. No reflection on the pro58. But I just upgraded my cam today, so....miles better now.
Joshua, as always you never cease to amaze. Do you have a monitor preference? I need one for my workbench. Thanks.
I do need you to interpret the results due to the shine and shadow on the right hand side screens (i.e. the ones I was interested in).
TBH I've rarely maybe never been disappointed with your content JB, but this time I am a bit disappointed - especially when I think this would be considered by many to be quite an important test.
It would be really interesting to see the test with the Clearview and the Laforge on the left hand side (i.e. with less reflection and shadow). I assume at 9:44 the clearview had an image but I could not see it - could see that the others did not seem to have a signal.
Sorry for the comedown on the video.
Always love your tests!
Good review. A shroud over all your monitors might be a nice add in future reviews though. (Like an old timey photographer to create a makeshift darkroom)
great as always. answered my question on whether to invest in laforge or drop the 300 on clearview. laforge it is. i just didnt see enough of a wow factor in the clearview as they advertise. although i did notice it to be a bit easier to see at times when others were flickering or rolling a bit, and the clearview kind of kept a dark shadow outline of the environment (still scary but flyable). just not 300 dollars better. I guess ill use the unspent money on a nice new backback to tote around my quads haha. Thanks JB!
I basically agree with your interpretation of these results. Clearview is not 2x or 3x better especially in these flight conditions. Under very challenging conditions, we might see more of a difference, but not everybody flies under those conditions.
Wow ! Nice testing station. Geez you must have put some work into that. Looks really good. Hey great video. I found that helpful. Thanx man 😊
is it the compression on youtube that is adding all the pixellated blocks to the screens? really makes it hard to tell what kind of quality the clearview has when it gets bad.. the whole thing with the clearview is that it's supposed to give you usable video even when it's bad, but the pixellation makes it hard to tell just how good/bad it is. any chance we can get a download of the uncompressed video to watch off youtube?
Judging on this testing alone, and buying for purpose of reception only, the Fat Shark and SkyZone are my choices. On a budget the Eachine would be decent, but why would I buy a good pair of goggles (Fat Shark) and go cheap on the module? I know people do it all the time, many times you'll see someone buy a brand new expensive deer rifle and put the cheapest scope possible on.
I will need to see other tests before I could be convinced to pay for ClearView.
Whenever I've used a clearview ground station the static has always been crazy scrolling white lines not the fuzzy fade out like your module. Not always the same ground station
Laforge still seems to hold up and be the best for the Money hands down.. question I have the later version that doesn’t have the usb is it held back in performance to the last east 4.0? This input would really help me on buying the latest one ???
Thanks for running this test but I wish you ran a test with 2 patches on the clearview. Thats how i run mine and I get better signal behind objects than i ever did with my TrueD. The clearview is always "mixing" the two antennas, where as diversity can select the better option but clearview will always mix - even if the other antenna is crappy signal. So in your test when the clearview has the omnis, then the others have advantage of selecting the crosshair. (for this first test i feel the other rx units should have had 2 omnis as well) When you run crosshair and omni on the clearview it is mixing those signals while the diversity receivers are able to select one antenna at a time. Put 2 crosshairs on the clearview is where you will see the difference.
In a word "no" your wrong each receiver should be setup in the best possible way for that receiver module.
I find it hard to believe that people will fly the clearview with two patches unless they are strictly going to stick to a certain area and now move whilst they fly.
For common every day flying you need at least 1 omnidirectional antenna.
exactly - So if the other receivers have a crosshair on them then the clearview should have a test with 2 of them, this would be the "best possible way for that receiver module". And im sorry but I disagree that you always need an omnidirectional antenna for common every day flying, maybe for your flying though. I fly with 2 Xair2 patches on my clearview goggle module.
Stew isn't wrong that there are often cases where 2x patch will work. If you think of many, many flying scenarios, you have a flight line, and then you fly in front of yourself. For these scenarios a 2x patch on the ClearView is great. As long as your patch has a reasonably wide beam, you'll stay in it.
Really cool test. I was quite impressed with the performance of the Pro58. Solid budget choice? It looked to me like LaForge held on to a "good" signal the longest. Had I bought a Clearview module while expecting a LaForge picture, I would've been disappointed. Different tool with a different purpose. AlwaysOKView?
Maybe I missed it, to which power was the video transmitter set? Seems like all 4 had a short range, was it 25mw?
Yes.
nice test joshua.
but i have two words to you. refrigerator box!
would be so much better if you had all those monitors inside a dark container, so all the images were the same without any ambient glare or background light.
Ahh crap! I knew I should've waited to pre-order.. Those animal noises at .5 speed were creepy. I think I heard a sasquatch raping a werewolf.
Yeah I thought sasquatch/yowie too.
"I'm Joshua Bardwell and you are gonna choose something today" :)
Hear this too often
To much glare on some screens for a fair comparison. sorry.
I must have eagle eyes then, because even at 48 I can see the signal strength on all four screens clearly. This isn’t a picture quality comparison, it’s a static comparison, and it shows up just fine.
Impressed with the eachine! I’ll be sticking with my tru d tho for a little longer
So glad I got the laforge instead of the Clearview mod... It's sad that they can charge that much for a underperforming product.
I think the problem I have with the clearview beyond the price. If you are looking at just pure video quality, While "clear" it is pixelated. I understand this is a necessity for this to do what it does, But if you are flying for the immersion of flying .. well. anything else will be better for that.
Like you said, do the same test inside a metal parking garage flying with 6 pilots together... let's see who is going to best the best receiver... if you always fly alone and outside at 200 or 600 mW, the clearview is overkill but if you like flying together with friends or in competition, the Clearview is the way to go... hope the Immersion new module will be of the same quality as the Clearview at 1/2 the price
Good test JB!
LongRange FPV think about it, the situation JB is testing isn't that much different, he has 4 receivers running at the same time, mimicing 4 pilots
Receivers don't matter. Transmitters create interference.
Joshua Bardwell didn't think about that actually! Duh. I stand corrected!
I'm Jean-Pierre Renaud and you're gonna learn something today, it's called using an appropriate canopy to prevent screen glare..
I placed the camera so that there was no glare, but the sun moved and I didn't notice until after I had finished the flights.
for a bit i thought the chirping was affecting the video signal. haha
Why does everybody call a directional antenna a patch antenna? patch is a specific type of antenna, whereas other directional antennas such as the x-hair/crosshair and their variants, helicals, patch, etc. Im noticing it more even though patch antennas are being less used compared to other antennas.
Awesome thank you very much appreciated bro
Any chance you can do a comparison of the clearview module vs the normal clearview?
I really think its not anywhere near as good as the original clearview from what you and others have shown.
here you go ua-cam.com/video/3Wml6G4rUBE/v-deo.html
My clear view is currently on loan to heads up fpv unfortunately.
It's strance how clearview has less blackouts but overall the image qualit is worse... it's like an averaged down image quality. I'm not sure it's much better than a few quick blackouts (they are indeed very scary when you're flying, but having such a grayed-out image would not be pleasant either)
This is it!!!! This is the video I’ve been waaaiting for!!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
JB can you do the same setup without DJI and use the furious 3.6 instead in super curious how that does next to the laforgde
DJI had no effect on the test. It has no video out so it was using its internal DVR.
based on what im seeing, would not get the clearview if they give 50% off....
When just about to get them, the warranty killed the deal. (1 year).
No one won, but the achiullez its a very impressive for value.
Been waiting for this!
Would have been interesting to see Clearview with a pair of matching patch antenna's so that the 'magic' algorithm kicked in I would have thought...
Was there not enough patches to go around or was there another reason???
Not likely to buy one of the 5.8 F/S-type modules any time soon, but I have been considering the Clearview 1.3 reciever for use on long-range wing...
Thanks again for your time & efforts & for sharing once again ;)
Correct. Not enough patches to go around.
yess, exactly what I waited for. thumbs up Josh!
the sensitivity between the La forge and Clearview seems to be very close. But clearview has their algorithm to prevent rolling of the picture.
you should of put more shade on t screens
EachinePro58 is the best..best among the best and cheapest too
Been waiting on this. I'm listening sir...
I agree the Achilles definitely at times was at or better then the others. Would 2 patches not be a fair comparison on the clearview vs the others in patch direction? I mean in that test I doubt the non-clearviews ever came out of the patch side other then the first few meters of the test.
Thanks again for the info you provide us.
I did that test but I realized later it would only be fair to give the other modules two patch antennas so I didn't include the results.
I'd like to know what your distances are that you were flying. I have the Eachine Pro58 with Achilles Firmware v1.6 and my signal is a lot stronger than what it appears on the video. Antennas are VAS Crosshair and a generic pagoda. I've even accidentally had my vtx on 25mW and barely had breakups.
Distance is about 300 to 400 meters but there are obstructions and the ground isn't flat. So you can't really judge very well.
I wanna see the immersion rc diversity module once that comes out
I was wondering why you would used different antenna.. seems that they should all have the same antenna setup to make this even as possible
In the 2nd half of the video, they had identical antennas.
Iftron recommends using ClearView with two identical antennas for the "magic algorithm" to do its thing. So the 1st half of the test is reflecting their recommended setup. The second half of the test is reflecting the concern you are expressing.
the diplomat
Nice experiment!