I have a friend in Ukraine that sent me short clips of liturgies he attended as well as some explanation of what was going on. Had it not been for that, I wouldn't be on the road to salvation. I was an athiest for 25 years and after seeing this way of worship and prayer, I knew it was the way things were supposed to be. I knew this way the correct path to God. I thank God for this friend and I thank God for allowing him to show me the path through technology. I understand and respect what is said about filming liturgies and I agree, but I am also thankful that someone did. 🙏
Beautifully said; full of Grace, Love and Wisdom. Our children (10, 9 and 5 1/2, all classically educated - my wife is the Dean of their school) do not have phones or digital devices. A choice we made long ago, even before becoming Orthodox. I believe it was Rod Dreher who said that in 10 or 20 years seeing a child with a digital device will illicit the reaction that seeing a child who's parents had given them a cigarette would illicit today. We are moving too quickly into a realm of untested waters and are yet to even begin to realize the ramifications. His points of keeping the Divine Liturgy sacred and free from digital intrusion were excellent. May God have mercy on us all.
Your point about discretion and caution in what parts of the services we allow to be shown publicly is spot on. It disturbs me especially to see the communion of the faithful recorded on video. I am grateful for the parishes that at least point the camera away during that time.
As any other tool, social media can be used for good or evil. For instance, your lectures, Father, are a blessing for those of us who cannot attend your services because we live tens of thousands of miles away. It's a great medium for preaching too. I myself started my conversion, from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy after listening to several of Jay Dyer's excellent podcasts, in particular his video called "Top Ten reasons I'm not a Roman Catholic". God works in mysterious ways.
Father Josiah, there is a great book titled "The New Media Epidemic" by Jean Claude Larchet. Anyway, May God provide you with Good Health and Wellbeing.
The Orthodox Groups on Facebook need to go. I was treated so badly in 2 different groups. One of them by a Priest. I almost abandoned my Orthodox journey. Had I not reached out to Fr. Tryphon for support, I would still be Protestant. I was bullied, ridiculed, humiliated for my questions.
I can definitely agree, I am a member of many groups on Facebook that have toxic orthodox members who are extremely rude and not loving. It’s quite upsetting
One of the biggest issues with orthodoxy online is, well, the orthodox themselves, unfortunately. Sorry to hear that, Kim. But even more so, welcome to the family.
@@lwconley2005 Why is this so? I've seen how poorly they treat protestants on Twitter. There's even a Twitter handle exclusively dedicated to ridiculing and trolling protestants! Very unfortunate.
"The medium is the message." -- Marshall McLuhan "In Jesus Christ, there is no distance or separation between the medium and the message: it is the one case where we can say that the medium and the message are fully one and the same.” - Marshall McLuhan
During the pandemic it’s been a blessing for Clergy to Livecast services and hold Zoom Bible Studies, children’s and teen Zoom Sunday School. Our regular services were always on UA-cam Live. The broadcast camera is completely hidden so that nobody can see it. We are in a small town but had almost 1000 viewers for Pascha.
Technology has it's place, like anything it can be misused. But I say if technology brings just one soul back to God than it's surved it's purpose. Through technology we can open our doors to all nations of unbelievers and show the world the beauty of the orthodox faith. A means of reaching an audience that would otherwise never have been possible either through ignorance or persecution. Is the glass half full or half empty?
Thank you, Father. I also wonder if it will be the venue for the Antichrist to gather followers? Performing miracles while the public films and spreads his message?
Yes, I do agree photographing during liturgy service is not appropriate. First of all, it distracts you and all who are attending from being connected with God during prayers making photography the center of attention which makes satan rejoiced. Second, it allows the place to look like a social meeting salon rather than a sacred place. This reminds me of the temple where Jesus knocked down the merchants' goods yelling at them you MADE MY HOUSE INTO MARKETPLACE!! Thirdly, the church is the body of Christ and whoever is thirsty to knowing God let him/her step forward and join the body of Christ by fulfilling the joyous precious moments at the presence of Holy Throne to prove his/her belief, love and righteousness by keeping the oil of their faith always full to the rim. Watching the service through TV screens won't make your attendance official ( if that is the case of the usage of technology sending live performance to the public) which is similar to those fool virgins who slept and postponed filling oil in their lamps as so they missed the opportunity to meet the groom on time so the door was shut by the time they arrived and therefore missed the feast. We need to respect the place and fear God because we are sinners. Approaching with respect and humility asking for forgiveness. Not by wasting time taking photos for publicity. Church isn't a museum. It is a hospital for treating the wounds of our souls caused through sin. We're not there to share memories..we are there to make the memories a reality.
And one more thing that I want to stress about also ... Many of us may wonder what if Jesus had've been incarnated in an era where technology facility helped His miracles to be broadcasted around the world, live, so that many people would have believed easily? The answer to this: Jesus Christ didn't show up to be famous and well known for His works that's why He used to do miracles in secret first testing people's faith. Because without faith miracles have no meaning. It is more likely called magic! What Jesus wanted through His miracles was changing one's heart from a dead organ to a live loving one in order to live properly in spirit doing the father's commandments happily. Jesus came to call us for repentance. He came to live with every one of us a private relationship leading us to everlasting life. May the Holy Spirit be filled upon us all . Amen+++
Really, why did Jesus not incarnate in the 21st century? Why did He not teach us any new technology? Why did His prophets not teach us any new technology? Why did He ask St Luke of Simferopole to put aside medical research and focus on teaching the word of God?
Did Fr Trenham disavow Jay, or are you talking about the man who runs this channel? I’m a fan of Jay, and he’s the reason I started considering Orthodoxy.
@@CrossingFist Yeah, I guess so. I admit I haven't seen the actual video where he said that. But I think some Orthodox think Jay Dyer is too radical or controversial.
@@nikolaibreckenridge2287 Bullshit. He has a degree in philosophy and also quite a few priests endorse him including the Metropolitan Jonah Paffhausen. Liberals and ecumenists need to shut up, they won't ever win a debate with someone like Jay. They literally decline an offer to debate every single time.
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I have a friend in Ukraine that sent me short clips of liturgies he attended as well as some explanation of what was going on. Had it not been for that, I wouldn't be on the road to salvation. I was an athiest for 25 years and after seeing this way of worship and prayer, I knew it was the way things were supposed to be. I knew this way the correct path to God. I thank God for this friend and I thank God for allowing him to show me the path through technology. I understand and respect what is said about filming liturgies and I agree, but I am also thankful that someone did. 🙏
I just started learning about the Orthodox faith purely through UA-cam.
We need more Father Josiah Trenham’s in this world. Such a great man. Thx for this, can’t wait to see more of your visit w/him!!
Beautifully said; full of Grace, Love and Wisdom. Our children (10, 9 and 5 1/2, all classically educated - my wife is the Dean of their school) do not have phones or digital devices. A choice we made long ago, even before becoming Orthodox. I believe it was Rod Dreher who said that in 10 or 20 years seeing a child with a digital device will illicit the reaction that seeing a child who's parents had given them a cigarette would illicit today. We are moving too quickly into a realm of untested waters and are yet to even begin to realize the ramifications. His points of keeping the Divine Liturgy sacred and free from digital intrusion were excellent. May God have mercy on us all.
I agree.
I totally agree. Respect to the SACRED PLACE OF OUR LORD.
Your point about discretion and caution in what parts of the services we allow to be shown publicly is spot on. It disturbs me especially to see the communion of the faithful recorded on video. I am grateful for the parishes that at least point the camera away during that time.
You should consider two channels: one for piecemeal pieces of the interview, and one which contains the entire interview at once.
As any other tool, social media can be used for good or evil. For instance, your lectures, Father, are a blessing for those of us who cannot attend your services because we live tens of thousands of miles away. It's a great medium for preaching too. I myself started my conversion, from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy after listening to several of Jay Dyer's excellent podcasts, in particular his video called "Top Ten reasons I'm not a Roman Catholic". God works in mysterious ways.
One of the best crossovers ever
Thank you father
A very smart man
Father Josiah, there is a great book titled "The New Media Epidemic" by Jean Claude Larchet. Anyway, May God provide you with Good Health and Wellbeing.
Love your work father,I love how you explain everything so accurate,God bless you!God bless us all for what is to come in the near future!
God bless you father
The Orthodox Groups on Facebook need to go. I was treated so badly in 2 different groups. One of them by a Priest. I almost abandoned my Orthodox journey. Had I not reached out to Fr. Tryphon for support, I would still be Protestant.
I was bullied, ridiculed, humiliated for my questions.
I can definitely agree, I am a member of many groups on Facebook that have toxic orthodox members who are extremely rude and not loving. It’s quite upsetting
One of the biggest issues with orthodoxy online is, well, the orthodox themselves, unfortunately.
Sorry to hear that, Kim. But even more so, welcome to the family.
They really can be super gross. I’m glad you ran into Fr. Tryphon. What a blessing!
@@lwconley2005 Why is this so? I've seen how poorly they treat protestants on Twitter. There's even a Twitter handle exclusively dedicated to ridiculing and trolling protestants! Very unfortunate.
@@msmutola682 lot of them come from Calvinist groups formerly. Think that’s some of it honestly. Cage stage.
"The medium is the message." -- Marshall McLuhan
"In Jesus Christ, there is no distance or separation between the medium and the message: it is the one case where we can say that the medium and the message are fully one and the same.” - Marshall McLuhan
I missed Dr. Middleton's spoken introduction ☹️
During the pandemic it’s been a blessing for Clergy to Livecast services and hold Zoom Bible Studies, children’s and teen Zoom Sunday School.
Our regular services were always on UA-cam Live. The broadcast camera is completely hidden so that nobody can see it.
We are in a small town but had almost 1000 viewers for Pascha.
Technology has it's place, like anything it can be misused. But I say if technology brings just one soul back to God than it's surved it's purpose. Through technology we can open our doors to all nations of unbelievers and show the world the beauty of the orthodox faith. A means of reaching an audience that would otherwise never have been possible either through ignorance or persecution. Is the glass half full or half empty?
Thank you, Father. I also wonder if it will be the venue for the Antichrist to gather followers? Performing miracles while the public films and spreads his message?
Yes, I do agree photographing during liturgy service is not appropriate.
First of all, it distracts you and all who are attending from being connected with God during prayers making photography the center of attention which makes satan rejoiced.
Second, it allows the place to look like a social meeting salon rather than a sacred place. This reminds me of the temple where Jesus knocked down the merchants' goods yelling at them you MADE MY HOUSE INTO MARKETPLACE!!
Thirdly, the church is the body of Christ and whoever is thirsty to knowing God let him/her step forward and join the body of Christ by fulfilling the joyous precious moments at the presence of Holy Throne to prove his/her belief, love and righteousness by keeping the oil of their faith always full to the rim.
Watching the service through TV screens won't make your attendance official ( if that is the case of the usage of technology sending live performance to the public) which is similar to those fool virgins who slept and postponed filling oil in their lamps as so they missed the opportunity to meet the groom on time so the door was shut by the time they arrived and therefore missed the feast.
We need to respect the place and fear God because we are sinners. Approaching with respect and humility asking for forgiveness. Not by wasting time taking photos for publicity. Church isn't a museum. It is a hospital for treating the wounds of our souls caused through sin. We're not there to share memories..we are there to make the memories a reality.
Ive chanted funerals lately where people photograph also. Its very odd.
Brothers & sisters... did you know that there are 'kosher' phones, MP3 players and cameras which do not have the Internet?
And one more thing that I want to stress about also ...
Many of us may wonder what if Jesus had've been incarnated in an era where technology facility helped His miracles to be broadcasted around the world, live, so that many people would have believed easily?
The answer to this:
Jesus Christ didn't show up to be famous and well known for His works that's why He used to do miracles in secret first testing people's faith. Because without faith miracles have no meaning. It is more likely called magic! What Jesus wanted through His miracles was changing one's heart from a dead organ to a live loving one in order to live properly in spirit doing the father's commandments happily.
Jesus came to call us for repentance. He came to live with every one of us a private relationship leading us to everlasting life.
May the Holy Spirit be filled upon us all .
Amen+++
Really, why did Jesus not incarnate in the 21st century? Why did He not teach us any new technology? Why did His prophets not teach us any new technology? Why did He ask St Luke of Simferopole to put aside medical research and focus on teaching the word of God?
Hey sir, how about stopping disavowing Jay Dyer? He's a great man that's doing the right thing. Of course no one is perfect.
Did Fr Trenham disavow Jay, or are you talking about the man who runs this channel? I’m a fan of Jay, and he’s the reason I started considering Orthodoxy.
@@CrossingFist
No, not him. I mean the channel's owner. Jay said the man didn't like him.
Alex Y. ah, okay. Did he say why? Is it just typical normie fear of “conspiracy theorists”?
@@CrossingFist
Yeah, I guess so. I admit I haven't seen the actual video where he said that. But I think some Orthodox think Jay Dyer is too radical or controversial.
@@nikolaibreckenridge2287
Bullshit. He has a degree in philosophy and also quite a few priests endorse him including the Metropolitan Jonah Paffhausen. Liberals and ecumenists need to shut up, they won't ever win a debate with someone like Jay. They literally decline an offer to debate every single time.