you do know she had no choice at that time to wear that right...lol in the beginning she did everything she was told to do, her spending on fashion didn't come until after. And ya "Hollywood" changes historical events to please the people watching the movie...people in this time don't have the patience of an uneventful movie scene for that long, meaning people have sort attention spans now. Lastly if people wanted to know historical acracy they would watch documentaries not movies.
@DJ V Actually, the wedding dress in this scene is somewhat appropriate. I agree that the cut isn't right, but according to contemporary accounts, Marie Antoinette's actual wedding dress didn't fit her well. When she came to France, she was made to discard all remnants of her Austrian upbringing, and given an entirely new wardrobe. She was married days after she arrived in France, and her wedding dress had been pre-made. The problem is that the dressmakers didn't get her measurements right, and made the dress too small. The dress itself was white, and covered in enormous diamonds, but because of the inaccurate sizing, her shift was poking out the back, the lacing was on display, and the diamonds didn't line up properly. So in a way, the inaccurate fit of the dress in this clip is actually quite historically accurate. Marie Antoinette's actual wedding dress would almost certainly have had wider panniers, and definitely would have had a train in back, not to mention all those diamonds that the filmmakers left out. Nevertheless, I wonder if they intentionally made her dress ill-fitting, because of the history and circumstances surrounding her actual wedding dress. Marie Antoinette certainly was a huge fashion icon, but that came later. When she was first married, she wasn't the fashion icon that she later became. As a matter of fact, when she was young, she was a bit of a tomboy, and her mother chastised her on her slovenly appearance. It was only after she was settled into Versailles, and married life, that she became extremely interested in fashion. At the beginning of her time in France, she wouldn't even have had much say in the kinds of things that she was allowed to wear. I'm afraid that your indignation is misplaced. As for your statement that "many of the other costumes were excellent in capturing the feel of Marie Antoinette's taste in fashion", I'm afraid that you're wrong there, too. The costumes in this film are nothing like the outfits that Marie Antoinette became known for. They do a good job of displaying what might have been everyday fashion for a wealthy woman of the time (with some inaccuracies, especially with the hairstyles, but I digress...), but Marie set trends, and her taste in fashion was flamboyant and over-the-top. If you look at fashion plates, illustrations, and portraits of her outfits at the time, you'll see just how ordinary (for the 18th century) the outfits in this film are in comparison.
@DJ V lol dont take my comment up the butt it was just a "opinion" and I dont have a problem with historically correct things (in movies) I love history, all I said in a nice calm way was that you shouldnt expect "Hollywood" movies to always be accurate in all the scenes (all the dates/events/ ect) why? Probably because they think it will cost more money they dont wanna spend and stuff has to be cut out to keep a pace that most people will be fine with. Dont be so close minded that you think only comments you like matter and that other should shut up (with ur little suggestion of me not commenting) because they disagree or have a slightly different view on the matter. You dont like it? Lol "why bother reading" and replying.
DJ V DJ V You may have “read several biographies”, but that doesn’t make you an expert. I have studied the history of this period, its literature, and its artwork, both personally, and at a post-graduate level. There’s hardly a portrait or fashion plate of hers that isn’t seared into my memory. You name it, I’ve seen it, studied it, and spent hours of my life staring, fascinated, at every minute detail. The history of European art and fashion is not only something that I have researched and studied academically, it’s also a huge personal interest of mine, and I have dedicated a decade to the study and research of it. It’s clear that you don’t know much about the fashion of the time, because if you did, you would know that what I wrote is correct. Unfortunately, at the moment, you’re ousting yourself as an example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. You clearly have only a cursory knowledge of Marie Antoinette’s fashion, and 18th century fashion, in general. Yet in spite of this, you deem yourself an expert, and have tried to appeal to your own authority for the simple reason that you’ve read a couple biographies (and who knows how reliable those were!). Unlike yourself, I have no need to appeal to my own authority (which is nevertheless greater than yours, but I digress), because the facts are on my side, not yours. Below are sources both verifying the information contained within my comment, and debunking the claims made in yours. You’re welcome. people.howstuffworks.com/why-was-marie-antoinette-wedding-dress-so-scandalous.htm www.historyextra.com/period/victorian/royal-wedding-dress-history-unusual-princess-eugenie-meghan-markle/ historyandotherthoughts.blogspot.com/2013/08/marie-antoinettes-wedding.html?m=1 history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/top-5-marie-antoinette-scandals5.htm www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/g13994836/royal-wedding-fails/ books.google.com/books?id=Lx2I3YtTcXQC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false www.smithsonianmag.com/history/marie-antoinette-134629573/ And since you clearly don’t have a clue about what she actually wore, here are some contemporary fashion plates (and in case you don’t know what those are, they’re easily produced woodcuts and drawings of fashion icons of the day. These were enormously popular in the 18th century, and were sent all over Europe, as women sought to emulate the most stylish celebrities, and fashions, of the day), and portraits, of her style. As you can see, her style was much more ostentatious than in the film. As I’ve already explained, though there are some inaccuracies; the general style of clothes used in the film would have been more akin to everyday wear for a wealthy woman. The filmmaker obviously massively toned down, and tweaked, Antoinette’s fashions in the film - you would have immediately recognised this fact if you actually had more than a beginner’s knowledge of the era’s, and Marie Antoinette’s, fashions. Sofia Coppola and the costume department probably decided to make these changes for a couple reasons. For starters, it probably had to do with budgetary reasons. However, I think she mostly did this to make the styles more appealing to people’s simplistic, modern tastes. The height of fashion back then can look really over-the-top to those who are unaccustomed to looking at it. More was definitely more in that era - bigger hair, bigger panniers, more accessories, bows, ribbons, lace, embroidery, scarves, and so on. www.myartprints.com/a/artist-presented-christie/marie_antoinette_queen_o-1.html www.etsy.com/listing/212992662/antique-french-illustration-marie?Pinterest&PageTools&Share www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/351912440472948/ ladyreading.forumfree.it/m/?t=9751215&st=1140 www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/203576845625691330/ www.magnoliabox.com/products/portrait-of-marie-antoinette-queen-of-france-42-59578710 uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrJ6tWT5MNcO1QAxUXw3olQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMjhvNm5tBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM5NWU2OGIyZTMwNjBmZDM1ZTIzMjExMDY3NTg2MmI1OARncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?back=https%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dmarie%2Bantoinette%2Bfashion%2Bplate%26fr%3Diphone%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=559&h=800&imgurl=media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fff%2Ffb%2Ff3%2Ffffbf3eff599846dbe2ddbd13bd8e503.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpinterest.com%2Fpin%2F147000375308126129%2F&size=105.4KB&name=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&p=marie+antoinette+fashion+plate&oid=95e68b2e3060fd35e232110675862b58&fr2=piv-web&fr=iphone&tt=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&b=0&ni=21&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11c2ua8p9&sigb=13orf82eg&sigi=12dq86fbh&sigt=11c9k4740&sign=11c9k4740&.crumb=x2JOhSFFeiK&fr=iphone&fr2=piv-web uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrJ6tWT5MNcO1QAxUXw3olQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMjhvNm5tBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM5NWU2OGIyZTMwNjBmZDM1ZTIzMjExMDY3NTg2MmI1OARncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?back=https%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dmarie%2Bantoinette%2Bfashion%2Bplate%26fr%3Diphone%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=559&h=800&imgurl=media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fff%2Ffb%2Ff3%2Ffffbf3eff599846dbe2ddbd13bd8e503.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpinterest.com%2Fpin%2F147000375308126129%2F&size=105.4KB&name=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&p=marie+antoinette+fashion+plate&oid=95e68b2e3060fd35e232110675862b58&fr2=piv-web&fr=iphone&tt=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&b=0&ni=21&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11c2ua8p9&sigb=13orf82eg&sigi=12dq86fbh&sigt=11c9k4740&sign=11c9k4740&.crumb=x2JOhSFFeiK&fr=iphone&fr2=piv-web uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrJ6tWT5MNcO1QAxUXw3olQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMjhvNm5tBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM5NWU2OGIyZTMwNjBmZDM1ZTIzMjExMDY3NTg2MmI1OARncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?back=https%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dmarie%2Bantoinette%2Bfashion%2Bplate%26fr%3Diphone%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=559&h=800&imgurl=media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fff%2Ffb%2Ff3%2Ffffbf3eff599846dbe2ddbd13bd8e503.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpinterest.com%2Fpin%2F147000375308126129%2F&size=105.4KB&name=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&p=marie+antoinette+fashion+plate&oid=95e68b2e3060fd35e232110675862b58&fr2=piv-web&fr=iphone&tt=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&b=0&ni=21&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11c2ua8p9&sigb=13orf82eg&sigi=12dq86fbh&sigt=11c9k4740&sign=11c9k4740&.crumb=x2JOhSFFeiK&fr=iphone&fr2=piv-web uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrJ6tWT5MNcO1QAxUXw3olQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMjhvNm5tBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM5NWU2OGIyZTMwNjBmZDM1ZTIzMjExMDY3NTg2MmI1OARncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?back=https%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dmarie%2Bantoinette%2Bfashion%2Bplate%26fr%3Diphone%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=559&h=800&imgurl=media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fff%2Ffb%2Ff3%2Ffffbf3eff599846dbe2ddbd13bd8e503.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpinterest.com%2Fpin%2F147000375308126129%2F&size=105.4KB&name=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&p=marie+antoinette+fashion+plate&oid=95e68b2e3060fd35e232110675862b58&fr2=piv-web&fr=iphone&tt=%3Cb%3EFashion%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EPlate%3C%2Fb%3E+%7C+the+time+from+&b=0&ni=21&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11c2ua8p9&sigb=13orf82eg&sigi=12dq86fbh&sigt=11c9k4740&sign=11c9k4740&.crumb=x2JOhSFFeiK&fr=iphone&fr2=piv-web uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrJQ5qO5MNcKW0AshZ0g81Q?p=marie+antoinette+fashion+plate&fr=iphone&fr2=piv-web&.tsrc=apple www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw261416/Marie-Antoinette-of-France?LinkID=mp54549&role=sit&rNo=0 www.oceansbridge.com/shop/artists/v/vep-vin/vigee-le-brun-louise-elisabeth/portrait-of-marie-antoinette-2 historyandotherthoughts.blogspot.com/2012/01/madame-vigee-le-brun-on-marie.html?m=1 www.gogmsite.net/grand-ladies-of-the-eightee/subalbum-marie-antoinette-n/1775-another-copy-of-the-da.html You get the idea.
Fun fact: Lafayette (yes, the same Lafayette from Hamilton) couldn't dance if his life counted on it, Marie antoinette knew this and often invited him to dances to mock him.
Funny enough that's historically accurate, apparently the dressmaker messed up the measurements so her dress was actually hanging off of her during the ceremony it was so big 🤣🤣🤣🤣
We can't stop ourselves to be fascinated by this french aristocratic civilisation even if we know th vanity of it. The 1% very rich of today don't produce such beauty and refinment.
@@TheFlair4thedramatic *LMAO* We New Orleanians taken great pride in our city's French heritage Lots of the aristocrats fled here But that fact killed me😂
Its the most beautiful wedding dance Ive ever seen. Kirsten Dunst played Marie with grace and elegance, sympathy and understanding of a most maligned queen
Michael Palmisano You didn’t even spell Dauphin right. With all due respect, I don’t think you can complain about correct pronunciation when you don’t even know how to spell the word.
Kirsten Dunst has such a beautiful child-like face that she can pull off the transition of 14yr old to young woman effortlessly. A true gem of an actress in the Hollywood set.
This was one of my favorite parts of the movie (partly because they aren't dancing to the "modern" soundtrack the rest of the movie is set to). This menuet was also one of the earliest I learned to dance to, so... much love for Rameau. :)
When you just bought a new giant plasma TV but you're too late for the ball with the court, so you just hide it under your dress and carry it all along the night, and dancing, waiting for the party to end so you can enjoy your new giant plasma tv with your husband in Versailles.
Fun fact not one French Princess every married into the Austrian branch of the Habsburg family. But many Habsburg Princess’s both Austrian & Spanish married into the French Royal family.
Chopping the head those days were referred as "He/she paid courtesy to Madame de Guillotine" when someone dies, I will use this phrase "paid final courtesy to the earth" or "fire" if someone gets cremated
If things went how they should have gone, the French monarchical system could have survived today , albeit some modernisation would be in order. The lavishness of the court could have toned down quite substantially, and the rituals of the court could change as well, like more privacy. Versailles could be a country residence not the main residence, the monarchs could have lived in the tuilleries palace, if it were not destroyed. The revolution destroyed the country. Animals hesitated to go near the place de la revolution (now the place de la Concorde) even for years after, for the stench of blood. It was not liberty, it was not justice, it was downright man slaughter. To say the revolution freed the French people is wrong, I don't think their is a cruler time in French history. Marie Antoinette was a real woman, and she was murdered, for something so insignificant as lies. They blamed her for incest, money she did not spend. What was wrong with people back then. She was a young girl, it was like giving a young teenager a credit card with no limit, if you had the chance you would spend, of course you would. We are only human. It's not like the king wanted his people to live like that, financially he was in a terrible situation, from all the debt of failed wars, and for the ongoing debt of building Versailles. Marie Antoinette was extravagant at the time, especially with her hairstyles. But it was part of the Queen's job to be a fashion icon, she didn't have say in political matter, as many other women didn't. After giving birth to the dauphin meant that the Queen was less focused on, because she had done her job and now people turned their attention to the dauphin, not her. So all she really had was her fashion. Men could express themselves in many other things, but women could only really express themselves through fashion. The Queen used flour in her powder in her hair, no doubt she stopped this practice when information was passed on the people's terrible situation. But the people lied and said she still carried on with the process, they lied and said she wanted to change the architecture of Versailles. Versailles at the time was Frances most important place, and to say that the Queen wanted to change that, was downright false. Of course she didnt, she had the petit Trianon to do that. The revolutionarys, were minipulative, liars, Thieves, thugs, murderers. The revolution started out with good intentions, but then turned into a pack of liars, accusing the monarchy of things that did not happen. It turned into a slaughter. Of innocent lives. Period. Maria Theresa and Louis XV should not have rushed into Marrying off their children. Louis XV should have focused on repairing the damage caused by Louis XIV. After better financing, and a debt management plan, Louis XV and Maria Theresa think about any kind of inter Royal marriage. That way it would have a better future.
All french Kings had crises. Louis 16 had all of them in the same time and he was not a leader at all. He didn't have a political thinking. He was okay but not good enough to handle the crises. One of them was "desacralisation". People started to make fun of the king, draw him...People in Versailles started this crisis by saying he was not the father of the Dauphin. The country needed to be reformed. Louis 16 didn't want. The financial situation was bad because of the spending on the US revolution. He refused to make everybody payed the taxes. La bourgeoisie was strong enough to ask for adjustments. Louis 16 was a king from the past. People started to starve in the country but he continued to ask for taxes. He was not a visioner or a leader. He was out of the reality. Front of him he had real activists ready for a new country. When the revolution started. No one wanted him died. People wanted a constitutional mornarchy. He escaped and wanted to support the European armies. The kingdom of Austria wanted to kill "every Parisian". He had the chance to adapt and adjust. He made his choice. By the way the guillotine was never in the same place. It was moved every time. The Terror was a bad period. A revolution takes time when we have to build on and with the past. Marie Antoinette could do more that what we think. Help poor people for example. She stayed in Versailles doing nothing. The accusations were false. She was already condemned when the king died. No way the people will go back at this point.Louis 16 didn't save his crown and killed his wife.
All revolutions are terrible my dear. We in Egypt can attest to that. They always get carried towards the wrong way because of thugs and murderers and evil selfish people. Opportunists. I wish ours never happened either. The world is so difficult to live in now. Things are going downhill everywhere and fast. Economically and resources wise. It's all going to hell.
THANK THE GODS the French Monarchy died with the revolution. Human Kind needs no monarchies or Kings. The revolution needed to happen. It turned into brutality, as all civil wars tend to, but the revolution was necessary and natural. No human should ever get to call themselves King or Queen and lord themselves over others by mere right of birth.
The music is from act 4 of Rameau's opera ballet Les Indes Galantes. It's from the two minuets for the Warriors and Amazons (Menuets pour les Guerriers et Amazones). The actors haven't a clue how to do a minuet! It's funny how films get the buildings, costumes and even the music right these days but still don't even make a nod in the direction of trying to get the dances right.
The interviews with the writers and actors did say that this was a very different take on the life of Marie Antoinette, it was playful and fun, not serious and dour. It got the spirit of the time and of a burdened young girl who coped the best she could in a very difficult situation
Agreed, call it a fantasy but when I was little, other girls wanted to be like belle or Cinderella and have adventures in their castles, I however wanted to be like Marie Antoinette ( of course without the whole head chopped off thing) Versailles has always struck me as beautiful.
Even with the courtiers and king not taking bathes. No toilets forcing people to relieve themselves in stairways and behind curtains. And the sickness? And sometimes bad accommodations where courtiers lived in rooms the size of broom cupboard lol
Really lovely. That's a nice movie… ignoring the hard reality… just as that dying monarchy did. I loved the music also. It’s precissely Rameau’s ”Le Premier Minuet", excerpt from his masterpiece: “Les Indes Galantes”. Really lovely age, so fine, so elegant, so sophisticated. Seeing that beautiful pictures, it’s so funny to think that all these people NEVER took a bath or a shower… not at all. .
@Lemuel Gulliver: but its not probable that the musicians for a ball in Versailles have played Mozart! You can hear in the begin of the first part of the TV-Production "La Revolution Francaise" the Menuet no.5 from six Menuets of K 176.
they wouldn't choose Rameau for a ball rather, too heavy. this ball is much more probable and better is the scene itself La Revolution Francaise (1989)
@otacs2 yes, you're right sir, the movies and scenes like that are created for the baroque style's enthusiasts, so WE should OWN the copyrights! haha great video, thank you for that!
I had another dream like this again. Im in the washroom changing and see in the mirror a gown. I go out and is a party like this and a table. I take a seat and a conversation starts. Is friendly. Everyone is friendly. She says she heard about me. Im surprised. She ask about my roofing bussiness and i ask how she knows and she says... "a younge gentleman told me about u. How hes looking for u and wonders if ur still single".. Im blushing i say i dont know who that might be.😊 and they ask me about my carrier. And also they tell me their back ground. Now this is insanely hd. I mean this dream is full color clear and so much detail.
@LutzDerLurch You're right indeed...baroque dance was very difficult, and only few people were able to dance (Marie Antoinette was considered very talented :D)!
Thank you for your contribution, I never noticed it. I think Johan Huizinga wrote about bell ringing traditions in Europe (the autumn of the middle ages), if one of you have an interest, then I'd like to recommend this book to you.
It was seen as unhealthy to submerge yourself in water in those days because they thought you absorbed disease through your pores, which opened in water. But people still washed themselves down with perfumed, damp wash clothes several times a day but hair was washed less frequently. They also used a lot of powders and perfumes and some carried around aromatic dried things, kinda like potpourri. And materials were a lot different back then; silks finer than we can recreate today that breathed really well so the clothing wasn’t a huge sweaty mess like many think either. So, they didn’t bathe as we knew it today but it wasn’t like people had body odor problems; it would be seen as highly embarrassing and undignified in front of the court to be smelly. Marie had a private bathtub that was attached to its own stove for convience and bathed at least once a day. Part of the reason she famously wore her shift in the bath is because of the disease superstition mentioned earlier; it wasn’t that out of the norm for people to do that.
Your stupid. They would have bathed with soap (yes surprise, surprise that existed in 1700s France) and would of have perfume and cologne to make there clothes smell good. Not to mention the herbs and food they were surrounded by.
The designer of her dress thought 💭 hmmm you know what would be great? If I made her dress so large and imposing she takes up half the bloody ball room that's sure to catch everyone's attention , I'm a genius!!!
White light? In the late 1700s? That room's light should be orange with a reddish tint with the brightest of that period's wick lamps turned on to maximum. The hidden fluorescent fixtures used to make this scene makes it look like the interior of a department store.
@@charliehockett5774 Pity her...she was in early teen...she need to learn a lot of thing...forcing her to marry with lots of expections awaitings, no wonder her life was messed up
Louis XVI didn't neglect to rule "his" Country... He made mistakes, of course, but he had found debts and debts and debts... The XV wasn't exactly a good king... He tried to get the best education he could, by himself, (only a few cared for him as a child) & I believe his wife asked Austria to help "them" against France... I am not an expert, but History is much much more than a few funny movies or comics... Count d'Hezeques, for example, could be some good reading.
Nah fuck em. Goddamn oligarch parasite got what he deserved. Hiding in his goldplated palace, letting his fucking people starve. His dusty skeleton can still suck this dick.
@@boxybob6976 you are absolutely stupid. Louis wasn't a bad person, actually he wasn't taught to be a king, and was very young at the time he ascended to the throne, he wasn't prepared. It's not his fault. AND he was also a very shy person.
He inherit the debt from his father,7 years war and financial support for american revolutionary war. Bankrupt french treasury,on top this food shortage ,lack of will to confront his brother,the future king charles x who is very reactionary reject any form of Olitical concession .
Me, examining the scene with my too fas' eyes: At least four people holding their champagne glasses by the base. The king holds his by the stem. Who is the pleb here? Is it the four people? Or are they just a random group of nerds who do it as a group nerd thing? Or is the king just weird and contrary? He is the king, and can do whatever he wants. Is it a deliberately inserted easter egg, or again just a nerdy group thing some extras did? What is the truth?
Interesting how this movie was made by the bourgeoisie (3rd estate) the very people who cut the aristocrats' heads off Funny how in America, we cherish our liberal democracy and our politics yet many of us are fascinated with the very antithesis of it
I do think that you, Americans, have your own aristocracy by now. They learned from others' experience (such as the French Revolution) how to remain discreet. Aristocracy compared to Bourgeoise is what Love compared to Sex.
Americans pride themselves on having booted out the British King; however, that is only partially true. The primary complaints were against the acts of the elected Parliament.
Jason Schwarztman acted dauhin perfectly. Louis was very bad dancer, very nervous especially side by side with his wife. Louis in the dance is still for about half second late after Marie.
Cette musique est celle de jean Philippe Rameau tiré des Indes galantes un menuet.. Vous ne connaissez pas la musique Baroque Française ? Lully, delalande , campra, Nicolas bernier, couperin, Mondoville.,Rameau, etc. La liste est longue...
however they could never continue the bourbon dynasty and none of their children would be the next monarch of france, they were all killed in french revolution except the princess
In the original opera LES INDES GALANTES this music describes dances of savages of wild forest from Brazil !!! Anyway magnificent music and movie scene.
@@menchualcarazmoreno1743 To day There are more 40 000 cartel s in France and many other s richess But I know To day The France is invahi . It s the end of civilisation. Veuillez bien me pardonner mon Anglais. Je préférerai parler espagnol, portugais, italien .langage latin is better.
@LutzDerLurch one of the beauties of this movie is that it isn't meant to be historically accurate. If you watch it carefully it is filled with loads of inconsistencies (even converse shoes for a split second!). If anything they specifically studied "Cliches" for this scene :)
Hongda Xu no you don't. They beheaded people a lot. The guillotine was a prominent figure during that time. Also, if you were poor, life would have been almost unbearable. People often died during the cold winters or during times of famine. If you were a woman, or gay, or not a white male, things were exponentially more difficult for you. People were dirtier back then. Rarely did anyone bath. Nah. The movie made it look pretty. Reality and history knows otherwise...
The chandeliers here seem kind of unnecessary seeing as the dance hall just got new daylight toned compact LED lights installed. Assuming they were installed in 1785, they probably had to be replaced in 1790. LOL.
Okay, I do want to point out that there was a severe thunderstorm during Louis and Marie's wedding, so the fireworks were cancelled.
I thought you were kidding at first :)
you do know she had no choice at that time to wear that right...lol in the beginning she did everything she was told to do, her spending on fashion didn't come until after. And ya "Hollywood" changes historical events to please the people watching the movie...people in this time don't have the patience of an uneventful movie scene for that long, meaning people have sort attention spans now. Lastly if people wanted to know historical acracy they would watch documentaries not movies.
@DJ V Actually, the wedding dress in this scene is somewhat appropriate. I agree that the cut isn't right, but according to contemporary accounts, Marie Antoinette's actual wedding dress didn't fit her well. When she came to France, she was made to discard all remnants of her Austrian upbringing, and given an entirely new wardrobe. She was married days after she arrived in France, and her wedding dress had been pre-made. The problem is that the dressmakers didn't get her measurements right, and made the dress too small. The dress itself was white, and covered in enormous diamonds, but because of the inaccurate sizing, her shift was poking out the back, the lacing was on display, and the diamonds didn't line up properly. So in a way, the inaccurate fit of the dress in this clip is actually quite historically accurate. Marie Antoinette's actual wedding dress would almost certainly have had wider panniers, and definitely would have had a train in back, not to mention all those diamonds that the filmmakers left out. Nevertheless, I wonder if they intentionally made her dress ill-fitting, because of the history and circumstances surrounding her actual wedding dress.
Marie Antoinette certainly was a huge fashion icon, but that came later. When she was first married, she wasn't the fashion icon that she later became. As a matter of fact, when she was young, she was a bit of a tomboy, and her mother chastised her on her slovenly appearance. It was only after she was settled into Versailles, and married life, that she became extremely interested in fashion. At the beginning of her time in France, she wouldn't even have had much say in the kinds of things that she was allowed to wear.
I'm afraid that your indignation is misplaced. As for your statement that "many of the other costumes were excellent in capturing the feel of Marie Antoinette's taste in fashion", I'm afraid that you're wrong there, too. The costumes in this film are nothing like the outfits that Marie Antoinette became known for. They do a good job of displaying what might have been everyday fashion for a wealthy woman of the time (with some inaccuracies, especially with the hairstyles, but I digress...), but Marie set trends, and her taste in fashion was flamboyant and over-the-top. If you look at fashion plates, illustrations, and portraits of her outfits at the time, you'll see just how ordinary (for the 18th century) the outfits in this film are in comparison.
@DJ V lol dont take my comment up the butt it was just a "opinion" and I dont have a problem with historically correct things (in movies) I love history, all I said in a nice calm way was that you shouldnt expect "Hollywood" movies to always be accurate in all the scenes (all the dates/events/ ect) why? Probably because they think it will cost more money they dont wanna spend and stuff has to be cut out to keep a pace that most people will be fine with. Dont be so close minded that you think only comments you like matter and that other should shut up (with ur little suggestion of me not commenting) because they disagree or have a slightly different view on the matter. You dont like it? Lol "why bother reading" and replying.
DJ V
DJ V You may have “read several biographies”, but that doesn’t make you an expert. I have studied the history of this period, its literature, and its artwork, both personally, and at a post-graduate level. There’s hardly a portrait or fashion plate of hers that isn’t seared into my memory. You name it, I’ve seen it, studied it, and spent hours of my life staring, fascinated, at every minute detail. The history of European art and fashion is not only something that I have researched and studied academically, it’s also a huge personal interest of mine, and I have dedicated a decade to the study and research of it. It’s clear that you don’t know much about the fashion of the time, because if you did, you would know that what I wrote is correct. Unfortunately, at the moment, you’re ousting yourself as an example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. You clearly have only a cursory knowledge of Marie Antoinette’s fashion, and 18th century fashion, in general. Yet in spite of this, you deem yourself an expert, and have tried to appeal to your own authority for the simple reason that you’ve read a couple biographies (and who knows how reliable those were!).
Unlike yourself, I have no need to appeal to my own authority (which is nevertheless greater than yours, but I digress), because the facts are on my side, not yours.
Below are sources both verifying the information contained within my comment, and debunking the claims made in yours. You’re welcome.
people.howstuffworks.com/why-was-marie-antoinette-wedding-dress-so-scandalous.htm
www.historyextra.com/period/victorian/royal-wedding-dress-history-unusual-princess-eugenie-meghan-markle/
historyandotherthoughts.blogspot.com/2013/08/marie-antoinettes-wedding.html?m=1
history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/top-5-marie-antoinette-scandals5.htm
www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/g13994836/royal-wedding-fails/
books.google.com/books?id=Lx2I3YtTcXQC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
www.smithsonianmag.com/history/marie-antoinette-134629573/
And since you clearly don’t have a clue about what she actually wore, here are some contemporary fashion plates (and in case you don’t know what those are, they’re easily produced woodcuts and drawings of fashion icons of the day. These were enormously popular in the 18th century, and were sent all over Europe, as women sought to emulate the most stylish celebrities, and fashions, of the day), and portraits, of her style. As you can see, her style was much more ostentatious than in the film. As I’ve already explained, though there are some inaccuracies; the general style of clothes used in the film would have been more akin to everyday wear for a wealthy woman. The filmmaker obviously massively toned down, and tweaked, Antoinette’s fashions in the film - you would have immediately recognised this fact if you actually had more than a beginner’s knowledge of the era’s, and Marie Antoinette’s, fashions. Sofia Coppola and the costume department probably decided to make these changes for a couple reasons. For starters, it probably had to do with budgetary reasons. However, I think she mostly did this to make the styles more appealing to people’s simplistic, modern tastes. The height of fashion back then can look really over-the-top to those who are unaccustomed to looking at it. More was definitely more in that era - bigger hair, bigger panniers, more accessories, bows, ribbons, lace, embroidery, scarves, and so on.
www.myartprints.com/a/artist-presented-christie/marie_antoinette_queen_o-1.html
www.etsy.com/listing/212992662/antique-french-illustration-marie?Pinterest&PageTools&Share
www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/351912440472948/
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www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/203576845625691330/
www.magnoliabox.com/products/portrait-of-marie-antoinette-queen-of-france-42-59578710
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Can you imagine being 14 and being thrown into this kind of life? No way could I have handled that at 14. Heck I couldn't even handle it at my age now
As a 14 year old, I can agree whole-heartedly
People didn't live long in those days. Women used to die at 37 years old and men at 36. So it was in a hurry.
@@tamorap1614 look up king louis xv he lived and reigned for quite awhile 40 years if I am not mistaken
Royalty were trained from young, elementary school ages to be rulers and how to manage courtly politics and intrigue
@@ahstiasummers5583 yes but marie antoinette was educated more towards relligion she didn't know how to rule
Fun fact: Lafayette (yes, the same Lafayette from Hamilton) couldn't dance if his life counted on it, Marie antoinette knew this and often invited him to dances to mock him.
You know, you could've said the same Lafayette from the American Revolution -_-
Well that's insulting.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 Hamilton is cringe
@@thekingshussar1808 no it isnt
@@androdeiculus9712 Yes it is
That dress wore her
Why aren't more likes for this guy?!
Funny enough that's historically accurate, apparently the dressmaker messed up the measurements so her dress was actually hanging off of her during the ceremony it was so big 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Was it noticeable
@@ECJonas well, even if that was not the case, the french court dress at the time was usually this big.
We can't stop ourselves to be fascinated by this french aristocratic civilisation even if we know th vanity of it. The 1% very rich of today don't produce such beauty and refinment.
I can never look at it the same way since I found out that the aristocrats used to defecate behind the curtains of Versailles.
@@TheFlair4thedramatic *LMAO*
We New Orleanians taken great pride in our city's French heritage
Lots of the aristocrats fled here
But that fact killed me😂
gucci and lv designs are nothing compared to the 17th century fashion tbh
@@TheFlair4thedramatic DAMN IT YOU RUINED IT
Common urban legend based on misconceptions.
"Do my hips look big in this?"
Yes they do
edit: they look so big
I will never understand how they found that attractive
Its the most beautiful wedding dance Ive ever seen. Kirsten Dunst played Marie with grace and elegance, sympathy and understanding of a most maligned queen
I know you feel what when you view all this things.
true, its so sad, what happened to her
The marriage not only of a man and woman but two great empires. I wonder if any Austrian representatives were there?
Is not historically accurate, but is indeed very beautiful, I don't think Marie Antoinette herself had it this beautiful
Juanita Richards she wasn't an evil and selfish queen as people and history has tried to potrayed her, in this film sofia Coppola wanted to show that.
I dare to compare this film to a macaron: french enough, visual enough and sugary enough yet unsubtancial nonetheless. And I love it.
Dolphin?
Michael Palmisano You didn’t even spell Dauphin right. With all due respect, I don’t think you can complain about correct pronunciation when you don’t even know how to spell the word.
Nicky 2ds Yes, actually the word dauphin is also the word for dolphin.
I love that metaphor!
Nicky 2ds yes, it's the French word for Dolphin. I find it weird, while the Spanish equivalent is Infante / Infanta (which in Spanish is baby)
Kirsten Dunst has such a beautiful child-like face that she can pull off the transition of 14yr old to young woman effortlessly. A true gem of an actress in the Hollywood set.
and does look Austrian
When I was young I actually got lost in that palace for hours I can’t imagine what it was like for her.
I once cried cause I lost my mom at school. Imagine a DAMN palace
I probably would have said screw it and climbed out a window.
Oh god, that must have been awful. Just fancy room after fancy room.
This was one of my favorite parts of the movie (partly because they aren't dancing to the "modern" soundtrack the rest of the movie is set to). This menuet was also one of the earliest I learned to dance to, so... much love for Rameau. :)
is there some significance to the curved arms and turning together? is that a specific dance? is it just invented, a choice of choreography?
It's amazing how the dance reveals our character.
They are actors playing roles. They are just pretending. And actually the actor who plays the dauphin is very exaggerated and unrealistic.
When you just bought a new giant plasma TV but you're too late for the ball with the court, so you just hide it under your dress and carry it all along the night, and dancing, waiting for the party to end so you can enjoy your new giant plasma tv with your husband in Versailles.
Marie and Louis forever 💕. That was an absolutely " amazing dance set".
Fun fact not one French Princess every married into the Austrian branch of the Habsburg family. But many Habsburg Princess’s both Austrian & Spanish married into the French Royal family.
I wish I could have lived in those days... No, I wouldn't care to have my head chopped eventually. LOL
+AN Feuerstahl I am sure you would care.
+Marcela Galatti That's what they just said. Do schools teach reading comprehension skills anymore?
Chopping the head those days were referred as "He/she paid courtesy to Madame de Guillotine"
when someone dies, I will use this phrase "paid final courtesy to the earth" or "fire" if someone gets cremated
Same
@@NinjaToe ha ha, well said!!!
If things went how they should have gone, the French monarchical system could have survived today , albeit some modernisation would be in order. The lavishness of the court could have toned down quite substantially, and the rituals of the court could change as well, like more privacy. Versailles could be a country residence not the main residence, the monarchs could have lived in the tuilleries palace, if it were not destroyed. The revolution destroyed the country. Animals hesitated to go near the place de la revolution (now the place de la Concorde) even for years after, for the stench of blood. It was not liberty, it was not justice, it was downright man slaughter. To say the revolution freed the French people is wrong, I don't think their is a cruler time in French history. Marie Antoinette was a real woman, and she was murdered, for something so insignificant as lies. They blamed her for incest, money she did not spend. What was wrong with people back then.
She was a young girl, it was like giving a young teenager a credit card with no limit, if you had the chance you would spend, of course you would. We are only human. It's not like the king wanted his people to live like that, financially he was in a terrible situation, from all the debt of failed wars, and for the ongoing debt of building Versailles.
Marie Antoinette was extravagant at the time, especially with her hairstyles. But it was part of the Queen's job to be a fashion icon, she didn't have say in political matter, as many other women didn't. After giving birth to the dauphin meant that the Queen was less focused on, because she had done her job and now people turned their attention to the dauphin, not her. So all she really had was her fashion. Men could express themselves in many other things, but women could only really express themselves through fashion. The Queen used flour in her powder in her hair, no doubt she stopped this practice when information was passed on the people's terrible situation. But the people lied and said she still carried on with the process, they lied and said she wanted to change the architecture of Versailles. Versailles at the time was Frances most important place, and to say that the Queen wanted to change that, was downright false. Of course she didnt, she had the petit Trianon to do that.
The revolutionarys, were minipulative, liars, Thieves, thugs, murderers. The revolution started out with good intentions, but then turned into a pack of liars, accusing the monarchy of things that did not happen. It turned into a slaughter. Of innocent lives. Period.
Maria Theresa and Louis XV should not have rushed into Marrying off their children. Louis XV should have focused on repairing the damage caused by Louis XIV. After better financing, and a debt management plan, Louis XV and Maria Theresa think about any kind of inter Royal marriage. That way it would have a better future.
James Carlton this was a great read
Thank you
All french Kings had crises. Louis 16 had all of them in the same time and he was not a leader at all. He didn't have a political thinking. He was okay but not good enough to handle the crises. One of them was "desacralisation". People started to make fun of the king, draw him...People in Versailles started this crisis by saying he was not the father of the Dauphin. The country needed to be reformed. Louis 16 didn't want. The financial situation was bad because of the spending on the US revolution. He refused to make everybody payed the taxes. La bourgeoisie was strong enough to ask for adjustments. Louis 16 was a king from the past. People started to starve in the country but he continued to ask for taxes. He was not a visioner or a leader. He was out of the reality. Front of him he had real activists ready for a new country. When the revolution started. No one wanted him died. People wanted a constitutional mornarchy. He escaped and wanted to support the European armies. The kingdom of Austria wanted to kill "every Parisian". He had the chance to adapt and adjust. He made his choice. By the way the guillotine was never in the same place. It was moved every time. The Terror was a bad period. A revolution takes time when we have to build on and with the past.
Marie Antoinette could do more that what we think. Help poor people for example. She stayed in Versailles doing nothing. The accusations were false. She was already condemned when the king died. No way the people will go back at this point.Louis 16 didn't save his crown and killed his wife.
All revolutions are terrible my dear. We in Egypt can attest to that. They always get carried towards the wrong way because of thugs and murderers and evil selfish people. Opportunists. I wish ours never happened either. The world is so difficult to live in now. Things are going downhill everywhere and fast. Economically and resources wise. It's all going to hell.
THANK THE GODS the French Monarchy died with the revolution. Human Kind needs no monarchies or Kings. The revolution needed to happen. It turned into brutality, as all civil wars tend to, but the revolution was necessary and natural. No human should ever get to call themselves King or Queen and lord themselves over others by mere right of birth.
The music is from act 4 of Rameau's opera ballet Les Indes Galantes. It's from the two minuets for the Warriors and Amazons (Menuets pour les Guerriers et Amazones). The actors haven't a clue how to do a minuet! It's funny how films get the buildings, costumes and even the music right these days but still don't even make a nod in the direction of trying to get the dances right.
The interviews with the writers and actors did say that this was a very different take on the life of Marie Antoinette, it was playful and fun, not serious and dour. It got the spirit of the time and of a burdened young girl who coped the best she could in a very difficult situation
Get over it. Have some wine.
At least they used French music for this scene!
Who else was hoping to see Lafayette being invited to dance with Marie-Antiounette and tripping? No one else? Okay...
Oh, what I'd give to live just one day at Versailles in the 18th century...
Why?
XDD
It was at this moment the King of France had a plan.
@@qtaro-7097 no, this was on 18th century. 18th century is from 1701 to 1800's.
I don't think so.
Marie could smuggle a piano bench under her skirt and no one would notice.
She could smuggle 3guitars and nobody would notice
I would have loved court life at Versailles during the 18th century .
+Jacob Hanson including the countless etiquette?
+janeyrevanescence12 Yes I would especially enjoy the etiquette and manners involved at Court, I think more people need good manners now.
actually the good manners there just hid the pettiness of the court.
Agreed, call it a fantasy but when I was little, other girls wanted to be like belle or Cinderella and have adventures in their castles, I however wanted to be like Marie Antoinette ( of course without the whole head chopped off thing) Versailles has always struck me as beautiful.
Even with the courtiers and king not taking bathes. No toilets forcing people to relieve themselves in stairways and behind curtains. And the sickness? And sometimes bad accommodations where courtiers lived in rooms the size of broom cupboard lol
One of my favorite movies!
bravoo sofia tiene uan buena vision de lo que fue la corte de versalles
Really lovely. That's a nice movie… ignoring the hard reality… just as that dying monarchy did. I loved the music also. It’s precissely Rameau’s ”Le Premier Minuet", excerpt from his masterpiece: “Les Indes Galantes”.
Really lovely age, so fine, so elegant, so sophisticated.
Seeing that beautiful pictures, it’s so funny to think that all these people NEVER took a bath or a shower… not at all.
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Didn't Marie love taking a bath though 😂
Beautiful! Thank you very much. Everything combined makes this the work of geniuses!
I think Dust and Jason held too hard not to laugh.
So did the audiance,
but Madame Du barry did smile
Imagine being one of the spectators there, at that moment ages ago. WOWW!!!
By reading the comments especially the ones that are insightful and actually explained it. I learned a lot more than my history class.
@Sandra This is the "Menuet pour les Guerriers" from the Suite "Les Indes galantes" by Rameau (1683-1764)
I love this Era! So regal!
This is the France's greatness : Versailles, the French " art de vivre" , Rameau and the king's court . 🇫🇷
And they smelled so great too
Oui ça c'est la France ! Mais aujourd'hui ce n'est plus la monarchie qui en danger mais la civilisation Française c est très grave
They ignored the starving population who finally had had enough.
@Lemuel Gulliver: but its not probable that the musicians for a ball in Versailles have played Mozart! You can hear in the begin of the first part of the TV-Production "La Revolution Francaise" the Menuet no.5 from six Menuets of K 176.
I want to dance like this on my marriage day 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
they wouldn't choose Rameau for a ball rather, too heavy.
this ball is much more probable
and better is the scene itself
La Revolution Francaise (1989)
Oh my, Louis looks worried 0:38
To be dancing so smoothly like that, they had to practice very hard, just because dancing is indispenble in the royal family.
Why are they so crowded? Like Back up Please
Du Barry Looks so Pleased for the couple and the King! Which the real du Barry likely was. Royal Mistresses knew when to support their partners.
AMO AMO AMO AMO AMOOOOO LA PELÍCULA 💜💜💜💜
Sometimes ladies dresses of the era were actually 12 feet wide. Doorways were a challenge, sitting down was impossible.
@otacs2 yes, you're right sir, the movies and scenes like that are created for the baroque style's enthusiasts, so WE should OWN the copyrights! haha
great video, thank you for that!
I had another dream like this again.
Im in the washroom changing and see in the mirror a gown. I go out and is a party like this and a table. I take a seat and a conversation starts. Is friendly. Everyone is friendly.
She says she heard about me. Im surprised. She ask about my roofing bussiness and i ask how she knows and she says... "a younge gentleman told me about u. How hes looking for u and wonders if ur still single"..
Im blushing i say i dont know who that might be.😊 and they ask me about my carrier. And also they tell me their back ground. Now this is insanely hd. I mean this dream is full color clear and so much detail.
:o
I loved Asia Argento in this
Does anyone know the title of the music?
The title is featured in the description: it is Les Indes Galantes by the french composer Rameau.
1:28
Louis XV: "You better give us an heir you fat, ill-bred boy!"
Got that reference lolll
E uma das mais belas danças
@LutzDerLurch You're right indeed...baroque dance was very difficult, and only few people were able to dance (Marie Antoinette was considered very talented :D)!
I love this movie and the historical background and time period it represents!!
so graceful!
I am planning for this kind of ball to visit... In Dreams hehe 😊😊
The English peal of bells seems a bit odd in this shot.
Sue Harvey It never existed in France. Silly mistake
Thank you for your contribution, I never noticed it. I think Johan Huizinga wrote about bell ringing traditions in Europe (the autumn of the middle ages), if one of you have an interest, then I'd like to recommend this book to you.
I wish I could dance on this menuet on my marriage day 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Can you imagine the smell in that room? People barely took a bath...
well,marie antoinette took a bath everyday btw.
It was seen as unhealthy to submerge yourself in water in those days because they thought you absorbed disease through your pores, which opened in water. But people still washed themselves down with perfumed, damp wash clothes several times a day but hair was washed less frequently. They also used a lot of powders and perfumes and some carried around aromatic dried things, kinda like potpourri. And materials were a lot different back then; silks finer than we can recreate today that breathed really well so the clothing wasn’t a huge sweaty mess like many think either. So, they didn’t bathe as we knew it today but it wasn’t like people had body odor problems; it would be seen as highly embarrassing and undignified in front of the court to be smelly. Marie had a private bathtub that was attached to its own stove for convience and bathed at least once a day. Part of the reason she famously wore her shift in the bath is because of the disease superstition mentioned earlier; it wasn’t that out of the norm for people to do that.
Worst than a barrack room after three weeks in the field.
Your stupid. They would have bathed with soap (yes surprise, surprise that existed in 1700s France) and would of have perfume and cologne to make there clothes smell good. Not to mention the herbs and food they were surrounded by.
Perfume!
The look on his face when his daughters walked by in discust
He’s a great actor
if i was thrown into this kind of life at 14 everything will be royally screwed
Same cause i can barely survive 30 seconds ina dress and i would not want to dance with some guy if front of other people
@Soggie Potato ever heard of a wedding?
Your screwed even more that Louis XVI in January of 1793
Slightly amusing that they have english style bell ringing in the background instead of french :'D
Can someone please tell me the name of this type of dance?
En France le film n'a pas eu de bonnes critiques et ça se comprend
That face looks familiar. Is that Claudia from Interview with the Vampire??
Yes, it's the same actress, Kirsten Dunst! 😄
They didn't get the blob of ink in the right position, but it definitely invoked the right attitude.
The designer of her dress thought 💭 hmmm you know what would be great? If I made her dress so large and imposing she takes up half the bloody ball room that's sure to catch everyone's attention , I'm a genius!!!
A dress like this (though this is not accurate) would have been considered INCREDIBLY Fashionable
Is that Choiseul whispering to the Duchess of Gramont? I like the little hop the Dauphine performs.
This film is so pretty yet inaccurate
Exactly.
Even the clothes are in anacurate
If french monarchy is still around today they would outshine the British monarch
C est certain mais pour le moment nous avons une république de merde aujourd'hui en France...
Alguien me puede explicar cómo se hace ese peinado. Por favor.
I wish i lived in that Era....
I loved Kiersten in The Virgin Suicides. Sofia knows what she's doing. Bravo.
White light? In the late 1700s? That room's light should be orange with a reddish tint with the brightest of that period's wick lamps turned on to maximum. The hidden fluorescent fixtures used to make this scene makes it look like the interior of a department store.
Marie Antoinette..Briar Rose..Tanya Hanna.. prescription..Ben Hanna..brother..the brothers Grimm..🧙💤💤🧚🦷🐺
Her dress is insanely hilarious! 💀
I can't get over the strangeness of those dresses. so very odd for a dress to be so wide and flat like that.
Agree
Les yeux surs la dauphine, et elle était parfaite. La danse, ct son rayon.
Epic smudge on signature 💋👌😃😁😁
That actually happened. Marie Antoinette dropped a blot of ink on the marriage document while she was signing it, and it was perceived as a bad omen.
@@charliehockett5774 Pity her...she was in early teen...she need to learn a lot of thing...forcing her to marry with lots of expections awaitings, no wonder her life was messed up
anyone know the name of the sound of the bells with the fireworks?
Louis XVI didn't neglect to rule "his" Country... He made mistakes, of course, but he had found debts and debts and debts... The XV wasn't exactly a good king... He tried to get the best education he could, by himself, (only a few cared for him as a child) & I believe his wife asked Austria to help "them" against France... I am not an expert, but History is much much more than a few funny movies or comics... Count d'Hezeques, for example, could be some good reading.
Silvia Foggiato I agree
Nah fuck em. Goddamn oligarch parasite got what he deserved. Hiding in his goldplated palace, letting his fucking people starve. His dusty skeleton can still suck this dick.
@@boxybob6976 you are absolutely stupid. Louis wasn't a bad person, actually he wasn't taught to be a king, and was very young at the time he ascended to the throne, he wasn't prepared. It's not his fault. AND he was also a very shy person.
He inherit the debt from his father,7 years war and financial support for american revolutionary war. Bankrupt french treasury,on top this food shortage ,lack of will to confront his brother,the future king charles x who is very reactionary reject any form of
Olitical concession .
It looks like her gown has shoulders too.
Me, examining the scene with my too fas' eyes: At least four people holding their champagne glasses by the base. The king holds his by the stem. Who is the pleb here? Is it the four people? Or are they just a random group of nerds who do it as a group nerd thing? Or is the king just weird and contrary? He is the king, and can do whatever he wants. Is it a deliberately inserted easter egg, or again just a nerdy group thing some extras did? What is the truth?
No es posible arreglar el teatro de Versailles que se hace salón de fiestas y fue construido para el casamiento de ellos?
Interesting how this movie was made by the bourgeoisie (3rd estate)
the very people who cut the aristocrats' heads off
Funny how in America, we cherish our liberal democracy and our politics
yet many of us are fascinated with the very antithesis of it
I do think that you, Americans, have your own aristocracy by now. They learned from others' experience (such as the French Revolution) how to remain discreet. Aristocracy compared to Bourgeoise is what Love compared to Sex.
dominoes37 the vast majority of the victims of the Terror were bourgeoisie or lower classes. 8% we're nobles and 6% priests.
Americans pride themselves on having booted out the British King; however, that is only partially true. The primary complaints were against the acts of the elected Parliament.
The United States is an oligarchy.
1:00 ♡ I Love Marie Antoinette
I love her too and almost knew her As a child.lol
Song name at 1:38?
Jason Schwarztman acted dauhin perfectly. Louis was very bad dancer, very nervous especially side by side with his wife. Louis in the dance is still for about half second late after Marie.
FOLRIENT.28.ANS.MACHU.VERSAILLES.⚜️👑⚜️.
gran epoca
I SOOO LOVE THIS SCENE FROM THE FILM. BTW, WHAT SONG IS PLAYING (?)
#HELP
I LOVE IT AS WELL!
;)
Rameau Premier Minuet from Les Indes Galantes
Cette musique est celle de jean Philippe Rameau tiré des Indes galantes un menuet.. Vous ne connaissez pas la musique Baroque Française ? Lully, delalande , campra, Nicolas bernier, couperin, Mondoville.,Rameau, etc. La liste est longue...
thanks x)
however they could never continue the bourbon dynasty and none of their children would be the next monarch of france, they were all killed in french revolution except the princess
In the original opera LES INDES GALANTES
this music describes dances of savages of wild forest from Brazil !!!
Anyway magnificent music and movie scene.
not Mozart in 1770.. he was too young...just become known but his music would not have been played in France.
Mozart his early opera's seem to be inspired a lot by Rameau, for example Idomoneo.
Edward Franks la musique est de Rameau musicien Français comme beaucoup d'autres de cette époque.
Mozart in fact knew Marie Antoinette when they we're both childs, he asked her to marry him actually XD
Amadeus!
otacs2, do you know the name of the song where Marie Antoinette is bathing then she lays on her couch thinking???
This is France.
Was.
@@menchualcarazmoreno1743 To day There are more 40 000 cartel s in France and many other s richess But I know To day The France is invahi . It s the end of civilisation. Veuillez bien me pardonner mon Anglais. Je préférerai parler espagnol, portugais, italien .langage latin is better.
Ou il y a encore aujourd'hui plus de 40 000 châteaux vous pouvez le vérifier.... Ce qui souligne en autres une brillante civilisation
@LutzDerLurch one of the beauties of this movie is that it isn't meant to be historically accurate. If you watch it carefully it is filled with loads of inconsistencies (even converse shoes for a split second!). If anything they specifically studied "Cliches" for this scene :)
Post the whole movie please
+Hailey Shade I would like to, but if I do they'll end my account! But if you search well you can find the whole movie online somewhere, I am sure.
I pity Louis. He seemed even more uncomfortable with the marriage than Marie Antoinette.
Yes, he wasn't a bad person, actually he wasn't taught to be a king, and he das very young at the time he ascended to the throne; he was not prepared.
Probably cause he had more responsibilities than Marie and that they were opposites
I want to go back to that time
Hongda Xu no you don't. They beheaded people a lot. The guillotine was a prominent figure during that time. Also, if you were poor, life would have been almost unbearable. People often died during the cold winters or during times of famine. If you were a woman, or gay, or not a white male, things were exponentially more difficult for you. People were dirtier back then. Rarely did anyone bath. Nah. The movie made it look pretty. Reality and history knows otherwise...
The chandeliers here seem kind of unnecessary seeing as the dance hall just got new daylight toned compact LED lights installed. Assuming they were installed in 1785, they probably had to be replaced in 1790. LOL.
è un minuetto di Rameu dalle Le Indie Galanti.
Vive la monarchie française ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️
Recommend me a movie like this
Adorable😊😅😮😢🎉😂❤