Is the Porsche 911 997.2 a future classic?
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Is the 997.2 a future classic? Is it the best daily driver for the money? Is it the best balance between modern and analog? In this video, I go through my 2011 997.2 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S. I talk about the current prices, lights, interior, wheels and tires, headroom, etc. I then take it for a drive so you can get a driving impression. Please comment below on what your thoughts are on the 997.2s. Do you like them, hate them, or just think they are ok? All opinions are welcome. Thanks for watching and please check out my other Porsche videos
-Kyle
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I have a 997.2 turbo manual transmission. The best of the best! Last 911 turbo with manual transmission and hydraulic steering. Love it! Will never sell it
That is definitely a great car!!
I currently have a 997.2 4S Cabrio. 28k miles of which I put 15k. By far my favorite Porsche of several that I have owned. For that matter, it is the best sports car that I’ve owned. I also was nervous about the PDK. Always had manual. The PDK is awesome. I do wish that I had the paddle shifts. Last year, I almost went crazy and considered selling and “upgrading” to a 992. After much thought, looks, value , research etc. I’ve decided to keep it. The 997.2 S/4S will be a 993 964 type porsche classic. Cheers!
I think you did the right thing by keeping the 997.2! But I am biased.
My dad just picked up a 997.2 C2S PDK with 24,000 miles on it. Such an amazing car!
Wow that is like a brand new one!! Enjoy. Hope he passes it down to you some day
142k miles on my 09 C2 Manual 997.2 here in UK, had 115k when I bought it in 18. No mechanical issues since I've had it apart from usual wear and tear. It is our only car, lives outside on the driveway, and does both grocery store runs and track days!
Love this!
Definitely the ultimate classic 911 sweet spot. Especially the 2011 year with the refined PDK. Like the aero kit, especially the front grill. Tons of power matched with reliability. Best of all, you drive it so you can truly enjoy it! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼.
I purchased an 2004 CS4 cab with 100,000 miles five years ago when I retired, and since I’ve added another 37,000 miles. I’m planning on figuring out my options at 200,000 miles. It drives fantastic with the stock set up. We are probably both members in PCA Region 8, so hope to meet you sooner or later. I’m not the most active member since I love to cycle on weekends. Best! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼
Nice! I jumped last year from a 2000 996.1 C2 convertible to a 2010 997.2 S C2 convertible. Loving it. Thanks for your review.
Nice upgrade!!
Just got me my first 911 and it’s a 997.2 coupe pdk. So stoke! Great video Doc!
I have an ‘09 C2 convertible with PDK now with 54k miles. I drive it almost every day. I love it.
Love hearing this! These are great daily drivers!
Gotta love the DFI engine on these 997.2, so robust and pulls really hard! It's definitely a future classic and will surely go up in value.
they're awesome!
155k on my 997.2 C4S, great car
Hell yeah!! Love hearing that.
My '06 997.1 has 113k and I put 101k on it, including daily driver stuff, many track days at Road Atlanta and Atlanta Motorsports Park, and road trips like going from ATL to Cinci or Tampa for kids sports weekends. It's been super-reliable and I enjoy doing my own maintenance on it. I think that would have been a good add to the video - including everything else you mentioned, it's easy to work on yourself
Great point! Thanks for watching.
I think the 996 headlights actually were inspired by the 911GT1.
That's what I've always called the headlights.
Just sold my 2022 macan and got a 2010 997.2 turbo with 45k miles on it and its amazaing can’t look back
997.2 turbo is a beast! Enjoy the ride!
@Dr. Kyle Stanley. Great video. I’m 99% sure this was my fathers car. He bought it new and sold it with about 35k miles on it for a gt3. What a great car it was and great spec. How long have you owned the car? Glad to see it’s well taken care of.
No way!! That would be awesome if it was. I’d love to know more about your dad and his experience. I bought it in 2014 from Beverly Hills Porsche. If you’re on Instagram, please DM me @drkylestanley
Great car! Love this Gen! 997.2 Coupes (particularly Manuals) will be rare & big $$ in the future 📈
For sure the manuals will be worth more than the PDK.
@@dr.kylestanley Great video btw! Thx for taking time to give us your opinion & ownership experience 👌🏼
@@jongib6096 thanks so much!
I have a 2010 997.2 Targa 4s and I absolutely love it! I'm approaching 95K miles and a few cylinders are starting to misfire so I stopped driving it until I have the time to change out the plugs and coil packs which I hope will fix the problem..
Dr. Kyle, you are so right about those cars meant to be driven ! Thank you ! I daily a 997.2 and a 987.2
Love hearing this! I also daily my 911s. Thanks for watching.
You ask the question: "Is it a future classic?" No! It's already a classic!! All your observations and emotions resonate with me too. I have a 2012 Carrera GTS. Whether daily commutes or long distance touring it lights a fire within.
wow the GTS is really the pinnacle of daily driver in the 997s. Congrats! Don't ever sell it!
People buy Porsches for various reasons. Some people buy Porsches for prestige, some buy Porsches for their speed, some buy Porsches for their looks, but if you’re looking for a true, seat of your pants, sports car driving experience, I believe the 997.2 is the ultimate Porsche.
There’s no question that Porsche improves their cars with each model year, but with the 991 Porsche changed the 911 forever, and for the pure race car driving experience, not for the better. I say that for two obvious reasons: first, the 991 abandoned hydraulic steering for electric steering resulting in an insulated road feel through the steering wheel. Likewise, the 991 is longer, wider and heavier than the 997, again adding additional separation between the driver and the road. Additionally, the 997 is the last “pure” Porsche, as the 991 was developed under the umbrella of Volkswagon. So, if a true race car driving experience is your main reason for buying a Porsche, I am firmly in the camp that believes the 997 generation is the way to go.
I have owned two 997’s. I had a 2007 997.1 Carrera 4 which I absolutely loved. I tracked that car and had a ball watching Corvettes in my run group spin out as they tried to keep up with me through the turns. I recently purchased a 2009 997.2 Carrera 4S Cabriolet and I love the newer engine and the upgraded center dash. Driving these cars is an absolute driving pleasure, sure to bring a wide smile to your face. I honestly don’t think you could go wrong with either 997 version (IMS bearing concerns aside).
As far as the future value is concerned, for those of us who prefer a naturally aspirated engine, these cars should definitely appreciate as the 991.2 started Porsche’s journey on the turbo-only road.
So that’s my humble 2 cents on the subject. I hope this is helpful to some potential buyers.
very well said! Thank you
Very...Unique spec... Not popular choice, but having one is an accomplishment nonetheless 😅
Yeah I'm sure a manual C2 is worth more and more popular at cars and coffee but I don't ever plan to sell this car and usually drive my air cooled cars to cars and coffee anyways haha.
Nice car doc. I’m a 997.2 C2 owner for the past 2 years. Previously owned a Cayman 987.1 and a 991.1 C2 and i find the 997.2 the perfect balance of modern and classic. A real keeper! Ps. Love your classic targa!
Wow 987.1 and 991.1 are some great cars! Glad to hear the 997.2 is the winner for you. Thanks for watching
This video has made me feel guilty about my 997.2 C4S with 8,000 miles on it. I really need to just get it out there and drive more often...
oh wow! Yes, don't save it for anybody. Enjoy it!! Thanks for watching
Uhhh yeah you do man lol! Get out there and open that 911 up!
Yes, it’s such a brilliant drivers car, the sweet spot perfect 911, not a garage queen like something Italian.
Drinking game. A shot every time he says classic.
I’ve had my 997.2 C2S PDK for 2 weeks now. Loving it so far, I feel the same way about the pdk. Not sure I did the right thing but with nerve damage in my left foot I needed PDK. I know it’s gonna grow on me in time and I can wait!
I just purchased 997.2 with 61,000 miles. Picking it up this Saturday.
You're in for a treat! What color and what model?
Midnight blue one owner car with all service records.
@@jitlothe346 Wow!!
If you don’t mind me asking, what model was it and how much did you pay for it? I’m looking at a 2011 C2S with 40,000 miles, PDK, sunroof, turbo 2 wheels, all black and they’re asking $73,000 for it. It’s also a CPO so it has the Porsche 2 years/unlimited miles warranty
Fantastic review,greetings from Australia
Thanks for the nice words
If I’m going to own a normally aspirated, non-GT 911 the 997.2 is it. And I do; it’s fantastic. The only version I might love more is the 2014 40th Anniversary….but it’s double (or more) the price.
Great Video! Thanks for sharing. I'm looking into a 997.2 C2S PDK. Have you had any issues with the PDK? Any recommendations for maintenance on the PDK? Starting to hear some rumblings regarding PDK issues especially with high mileage Porsches. Would love to hear your experience and get your insight. Thanks in advance!
Thanks! Have had zero issues with teh PDK. I do get my car serviced every year as recommended by Porsche.
Absolutely I have a 997.1 Carrera s and it is true rocket not mention a reliable friend 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾👑
awesome!! Thanks for watching
Meant to be driven! Nice review.. I own a 997.2 C2 base and a 987.2 base.. daily struggle which one i drive... both are fantastic cars.. 911 has more power .. prefer the turn in on a 987..
That is a tough choice! Both great cars!
Great vid, so cool that you’ve had the opportunity to put some miles on your car. I’m in SoCal as well, just put some miles on the 997.2 CS this morn! Keep the content coming..
Thanks man!! I measure in smiles per mile
It would look classic if it had the original retractable spoiler. The aero kit soils it.
The 997.2 will definitely go up in price! definitely a classic and definitely fun to drive!Porsche got this car so right!! And the 997.2 GTS! ❤
I have both the 997.2 2009 C4S 6-sp Cab and the 1986 3.2 M491 Targa
I’ve had by 997.2 for 10 years and have no intention of letting her go. A perfect car. A thrill to drive every time you want to turn it on and occasionally to potter around in.
Don’t forget, Last of the analog hydraulic steering with direct feedback from the road Now it’s electronically controlled motor driven steering with a ‘fake’ feedback manufactured by the computer.
the last generation with naturally aspirated AND hydraulic steering, should be worth something - the bigger question for porsche values long term is regulation on which states you can drive them in as states like CA crack down on older gas powered cars
California…ugh. Truly a great place to drive a 911 and hopefully the folks out there will rein in their crazy government.
The big issue I'm facing on 997.2 is that you have a 3% higher interest rate to buy one because it is prior to 2013. It's either cash or a 9% interest rate. I don't particularly want to pay cash. So, I might be forced into a modern model simply for that reason. Also explains why prices tend to drop off prior to 2013 because people don't want to or can't get loans for them.
Great feedback!!
What are you seeing pricing for your car today?
One of the only cars I like in white. Very nice!
I have the same 997.2 2011 C4S without the aero kit, my least favorite part are the rear lights. I don’t like the sharp pointy end.
Great description, very well done.
thanks so much! I love making these videos and I'm glad there are people that like them.
If this is a Carrera 4S was the back light strip that is typically across the engine cover modified because of the wing? Every 4S I’ve seen usually has the light strip across the back.
Yes the factory aerokit cars remove the light strip on the back for the fixed wing. I really like the look but not everyone does. Thanks for watching!
@@dr.kylestanley Aha, thanks for clarifying.
Hi Kyle, what is the name or brand of that spoiler that you have? I'm looking for one like that.
It’s the factory Aerokit
@ Hey Dr. Kyle is it a genuine Porsche item? Or is it made by a particular company?
@@mermaidenginegenuine Porsche part from the factory.
No doubt 997.2 is a terrific 911, probably my choice among the water-cooled cars. 991/992 got a bit large. But the 964 and 993 are both VERY daily drivable, and the 964 had the original 911 silhouette and mechanical feel. They really are usable and historic at the same time. The 3.2s are also great cars, but the comfort level and ergonomics are definitely of a past era.
Agree! Have you seen my review of the 964?
Hey Doc, what tint did you get? I'm about to receive my 2011 Carrera, and I think your tint is a great balance of visibilkity and aesthetics.
Hey I'm not sure actually. It came with the car. I agree that the tint the previous owner put on was a good balance. I don't have a problem seeing out at night and it look pretty sleek. Thanks for watching! Have some fun with your 911!
Nice. Consider this, some new 991.2 911’s and even some 992 only have 380-400 bhp. Same
As this.
I’ve a C4S here in the U.K. what part of LA are you in? South bay?
That is a good point! I used to be in LA for 20 years but I'm in OC now.
Great video! Lots of cool stuff I learned a few things too! Dr Kyle is a stud
Thanks for knowing me better than my youtube algorithm and sending me all that juicy car content
Nice car Doc, but get some Fuchs and get a Ducktail spoiler, that aero wing doesn't do the car justice! Cheers
Appreciate the comment but I have an 86 3.2 Targa for that classic look =)
Yes, yes it is.
And I need to hurry up buy one already.
haha make it happen! Thanks for watching.
Great video
It’s the last 911 you can see the engine. So yes CLASSIC!
Good point!
Great video, love mine 👌
Been looking for 997.1 turbos.....now you've got me wondering if I got with a 997.2 4S or 991 S as you can get them all in manuals with sports exhaust. The turbo is just intoxicating when it kicks in....
All great cars! I tend to like the NA motors and experience especially if you plan to daily it as the turbo is less fun around town IMHO. The manuals are super fun which is why I like driving my 86 targa a lot. Good luck with the search. You can't go wrong with all the ones you mentioned!
Thanks @@dr.kylestanley for the thoughts. I have a 996 C4S right now with factory PSE and it's so much fun around town, and sounds absolutely perfect. The one thing that has me down about the turbo is the lack of any character from the exhaust. My thoughts to switch to the turbo were for long term store of value as I'd imagine it would gain more value over a similarly priced 997.2 C4S/991 S as I plan to keep this car a long time. You definitely have given me food for thought. One negative I see is it seems impossible to find 997.1 turbos with aerokit.....or am I going crazy here.
@@umirza I'm not sure I've ever seen a turbo with the aerokit because turbos have their own specific body panels. Turbos would probably store more value I would say but if you're planning to keep it for a while, I would recommend not thinking of the value. Drive what is fun. =)
@@dr.kylestanleywhat was confusing me was the back of the C4S and Turbos is the same, but I suppose with the side vents there could be some differences.
Also I was afraid you'd say that 😅 but it is great advice. I will test drive a 997.2 C4S and see if it feels right, also....if it is a bit of a change from my current C4S also. Lastly I think due to the cars being older it might even come down to picking the car with the spec that I want as some options are quite rare
Omg, love this one🤩
It is a great car!
@@dr.kylestanley I know, I have a 997.2 turbo, and I love it!!
@@asprelskcalling1151 oh wow! That car is a beast!
Call me silly, but I love your T-Shirt :-) Sending you positive thoughts 🙂
Does Carrera S also have a wider body?
No only the 4s
No only the 4, 4S, Targa 4, Targa 4S, GTS, 4GTS, Turbo, Turbo S, GT3RS, and GT2RS
105K on my 997.2 4S
997 turbo mo betta
997 turbos are great cars but I'm more of an NA motor fan. Love the rawness of the 997 tt!
Nice car but I did not like the presentator. I was expecting more facts, less opinions. And having airpods on erars- why? Are you listening the music while presenring?
Sorry this was an older video and I thought the airpods would help my sounds. I have since learned that it doesn't so you won't see newer videos with airpods. I'm not a professional youtuber. Just an enthusiast who likes my Porsches. I record these on my phone and edit everything myself. Thanks for watching anyways.
nice car
Thanks for watching!
Sorry but this is incredibly superficial, and I have a 997.2 C4S and was interested
Sorry to disappoint you. Thanks for watching.
So because it's not a technically objective breakdown of the 997.2 it's "superficial"? To be honest, so is your comment. It is devoid of any kind of intelligent scrutiny. This video is by an enthusiast, that loves his car and expresses that in a video...I don't see the point of your comment.
Could be if it had a manual gearbox. If it’s a PDK- utter dog shite mate. Having owned a 997 and subsequent porches, I couldn’t imagine getting a PDK. Glad you’ve opted for a 3 pedal otherwise you’d have zero respect from any car person.
haha it is my only non-manual vehicle so I hope I'm still in with the cool crowd =)
Wow, what a shame to get zero respect from a manual weenie who calls it a Porch 🤡
❤😂😢😮😅😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 dr. Kyle if you have the date open for September 29, 2024 in Sonoma California there is a special Porsche event. I would like to see you there and meet your family and you and see your nice Porsche September 29 and it’s all day and there’s cars racing on the track and walking around like you were doing talking to each other people about their Porsches, please take care and I like to see you there cause I’m going my cousin Liz Napa and Sonoma is not too far from there
Maybe nice to respect people's kids when flying past their houses?? Just a thought. Places for everything
And you just bought it because you could?
I got this car around 8 years ago. It was my first Porsche.
This is, frankl,y just a compilation of every possible Porsche cliche.