"John wanted a Beatles reunion, but I said no," Paul McCartney claims!
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- Surprisingly, Paul McCartney once revealed in a 1995 interview that John Lennon tried to reunite the Beatles, but Paul rejected the idea. Can fans trust Paul, or is he "rewriting history?" |
“There was some comment I read in the press recently where someone wrote, “In the mood Lennon was in when he wrote this, he certainly wouldn’t have wanted McCartney to get his mitts all over it," you know, the old chestnut. In actual fact, the journalist has got his history wrong. What he means is, “In the mood John was in a couple of years before he wrote it, he might not have wanted McCartney to get his hands on it…”. Which brings me to something I remembered when reading that: John phoned me once to try and get the Beatles back together again, after we’d broken up. And I wasn’t for it, because I thought that we’d come too far and I was too deeply hurt by it all. I thought, “Nah, what’ll happen is that we’ll get together for another three days and all hell will break loose again. Maybe we just should leave it alone.” - Paul McCartney, November 1995
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I believe Paul too. I think John had come full circle by 1980. In fact, on December 8, 1980, it was reported that John told a journalist this about Paul: “He’s like a brother. I love him. Families, we certainly have our ups and downs and quarrels. But at the end of the day, when it’s all said and done, I would do anything for him. I think he would do anything for me.”
I believe Paul.
@junplanas1403 so do I
Can't believe Paul in this one
If this were true, Paul would’ve brought this up 20+ years ago. You don’t sit on something like this for this long just to “matter of factly” bring it up.
Why do you believe Paul? He is inclined towards flattery, vanity, and delusion. He is the one that never wanted the Beatles broken up and wanted a reunion. He is probably projecting his own feelings onto John.
He willingly deludes himself about let it be sessions. He can’t be trusted. He even defines lying as something not whitewashing,
I'm reminded of: "We Can Work it Out." My favorite Christmas was when, as an 8 year old I received 'Beatles '65,' and I played it on our old Fisher Hifi. One of many indelible memories of The Beatles' love songs. They taught me to love girls, even before I knew about holding hands. So glad that Paul & Ringo are still with us. The innovation they brought to music will never be matched. I'm old and poor, but I'm happy with my memories.
I think you are rich in ways more important than $.
❤
John did some interviews sometime around 1975 where he talked about the Beatles getting back together. He said if someone else arranged it, he would do it. He said they had almost gotten together a few other times, but each time someone else was busy or didn’t want to do it right then, but that all four of them had wanted to do it at different times. They just had to find a time when all four wanted to do it at the same time. You can find the interview on UA-cam, usually cut up into bits, but John is wearing a striped scarf. I was surprised to also find some video of George saying he hoped the Beatles would record together again sometimes. I think this was more early 70s.
So Paul's phonecall story is very plausible!
Yes, I've seen that. I don't have a link handy, but I can confirm that what you describe here is quite accurate. It isn't unthinkable that in this mood he said "C'mon, let's do it" to Paul.
@@strathman7501 old grey whistle test
I think SNL was the best opportunity around that time. IIRC, John and Paul were at John's place in NY, and George was the musical guest that week. Lorne Michaels had been making a joke about offering the Beatles $3000 to reunite on the show, and John and Paul on a whim thought they should show up. But then one of them got tired, and decided against it.
But the point is, there was no personal animosity that stopped them from ever playing together again. It would have happened eventually, but for John's assassination.
I think it was a Rolling Stone Interview in 1976 or 7 named "The Walrus Speaks" or something similar
I think it would have been much harder getting George to agree in the 70's.
If George would make a lot of money he would be all for it. By the late 70s his music was on the decline. People didn't want any of his Hare Krishna shit.
I think George by the middle 70s had enough of the solo stuff and the Beatles enjoyed being the best band in the world, their egos could handle the fame, and they probably had no doubts of their talents and ability.
@@TheSteveGainesRockBand His song "Blow Away" in 1979 made to 16 on the charts in the US and #7 in Canada.
@@philwillett9102 Like I said, his music was on the decline. You could have gone with his single in 1981 "All Those Years Ago" that made it to number 2 in the US, but that was on the wave of love for John Lennon after his death. Or with "Got My Mind Set On You" which made it to number 1 in 1987, but he didn't write that song. I liked a few of his songs after the early 70s, but he was on the decline. They were less frequent and mostly less impressive. He may have even had one or two good songs with the Travelling Wilburys. So I still say since his music was on the decline he would have been more open to cashing in with The Beatles again.
@@TheSteveGainesRockBand All Those Years Ago was good, it didn't do well because of Lennon's death. If George wanted to write a Beatles' like song, he could. He didn't want to do it much during his solo career. Paul's music was far worse after 1980 so I'm not sure what good it would do unless John and George could convince him to write better songs.
I’m sure John changed his mind 5 minutes after that phone call
Absolutely. That was John. And Paul knew it. George, the same. Ringo.....need I say more?😉
Yes John changed his mind like the wind changed
for sure - that was John and seriously doubt a reunion would have ever happened
I would say after 4 minutes.
If Yoko Ono even allowed him to make the call. The whole story is unbelievable.
No point speculating about who said what, we'll never know because we weren't there. Just enjoy the wonderful music they gave us.
R U kidding? That beatle tittie will never dry up for some folks.
There's no point in doing anything. We do things because we enjoy doing them more than not doing anything at all and then we eventually die.
6:54 Agreed, the music is what matters,not their private lives during or afterwards
@@thewalrus6833 except there are plenty of taped interviews. John in particular gave long interviews. Listen and learn. He said in at least one he didn’t object to getting back together. He said one of the others would have to arrange it. Paul I’m guessing since he’s the one that got things done after Brian died.
@@Rkw772 I've been following The Beatles since I was 13 yrs old, I'm 73 now, I think I've seen and heard most of the interviews of all four of them. They all said different things at different times, John in particular. My point is it doesn't matter now, it's all in the past and two of them are no longer with us, so just enjoy the music.
My takeaway from Peter Jackson's GET BACK is that Paul was the guy who worked hard to keep the band together, but that John and George were done. John, because Yoko was the new center of his world, and George so he could get his music heard. Paul was no villain and the rest were no saints. They were just 4 nice brillant young guys who needed to grow up, and Beatles had become a middle school fraternity arresting their development. They graduated and moved on to what was most important to each of them.
Not everyone is saying Paul was a villain and the others were saints. You seem to gloss over the fact that Paul was directing everything and the others were not keen on that. Paul didn't seem to want to accept much compromise. No one can claim that what Paul wanted in Get Back made any sense. Here is what Paul wanted and it's pretty crazy:
They all show up at start of Jan '69 to perform what they believe to be a live concert of White Album songs for a tv show. When they show up, Paul tells them that instead they are creating a brand new album of 14 songs that need to be written and rehearsed for a live concert at the end of the month. Paul also wants to travel to another country for the concert and possibly do it on a ship at sea. The fact that Ringo is currently filming a movie with Peter Sellers doesn't deter Paul. Of course, Paul has already shown up with some material that he'd been working on because he knew what he wanted to do. Right away, Lennon tells Paul that he should have told him so he could have been working on some songs.
The other 3 probably should have told Paul off right there and said that they will only do the White Album songs as planned. And that would have been an amazing concert to see. I think we were robbed. Why the others even tried to go along with Paul's crazy plan, I have no idea. No way an Epstein or Martin would have come up with something like this. It seems the biggest issue they had is the other 3 even trying to do what Paul asked. For the entire Get Back, the other 3 are constantly waiting to see whether Paul was happy or not with every single idea. I can see why the other 3 got so frustrated, but it was their fault for even trying to go along with it to satisfy Paul in the first place. Lennon even said to Paul in that private conversation that he had become somewhat scared of Paul. This is ultimately why everything fell apart. They did get back together and do Abbey Road properly which shows what they could still do as long as it was managed in the right way. The Let It Be sessions were doomed from the start.
sounds about right. George needed space and was becoming Hindu.
John balls were in Yoko's purse and veered into political activism. Ringo
just wanted a job. Paul took over after Epstein died because no one else
was doing it, creating a power imbalance.
@@BaronVonMunch that may have been the motive for John to have
Yoko in the studio then. as a silent counterweight to Paul's
dominance. other artists have reported Paul's pushiness in the
studio.
JL didn't really end up making YO the center of his world though. That phase didn't last long.
@@BaronVonMunchPaul didn’t want to go on a boat or to another country. Micheal Lindsey Hogg tried to get them to do it but Paul is heard very clearly telling him no because they don’t want to. Also they were only on a tight schedule because of Ringo’s movie. If any one of them truly didnt want to do it, all they had to do was tell Paul no. They didn’t though so it’s not Paul’s fault. Also Paul wasn’t secretly preparing material for the project that he knew he wanted to do. He was always writing so those were just songs he had around. It’s a crazy idea to do it that fast but they all went along with it. Paul can work fast so it wasn’t crazy to him and they should have said something if they didnt want to do it
Also it was Paul who was unsatisfied with the way the Get Back project turned out. Paul went to George Martin to have him come back and properly record an album like they used to, which is how we got Abbey Road
John mentioned in a People Mag cover story from 1976-Will the Beatles reunite for 50 million?
He said he was all for it. That breaking up was a mistake in many ways.
He said he'd never do it for the money, but if there was new MUSIC to be made and they were ALL exited about doing it, no problem. Too many just wanted a "live show', which Lennon had no interest in. He and Paul nearly dropped in on Saturday Night live" the night George was on, but decided they were "too tired". Yeah, weed will do that. LOL
Didn`t the Beatles officially exist in 1976, at least as a `business`? Paul was suing the others and his money was tied up so badly he could hardly pay his Wings people anything. The idea of undoing all that for a reunion? Somebody owned the Beatles name, and it probably wasn`t them. They could play together but i don`t think they`d`ve been `The Beatles.` That was a dissolved business...done. The rest was hype.
@@barryledgister4496 Apple Corps still exists, owned by The Beatles or their estates. Apple Corps on average distributes about $50 million a year, sometimes less, sometimes more, depending on any current releases or re-releases of music, films, etc.
@@barryledgister4496 Indeed so - there was a lot of unfinished business. The original court case (centring on Allen Klein's management) was filed and won by Paul in 1970-1; the dissolution of the partnership was separate and the terms not agreed by all four until 1976 (- even then John was not present at the date agreed citing some garbage about the stars not being right - the sure hand of Yoko, I fear) but eventually signed later). In such a context Paul was highly unlikely to open this pandora's box again and I don't blame him.
John's diary, published in full in the 2000s, said a reunion was scheduled for 1981.
If this phonecall happened, then my bet would have been when John was living away from Yoko in LA.
Totally agree
Maybe, but at that time, John was seeing a lot of Paul in person, so they wouldn't have needed to talk on the phone. It could be that it was a totally impulsive thing by John, so he called Paul rather than talking to him in person because he didn't happen to be with Paul when the impulse hit him.
@@stephentaylor5500 Paul and John had spoken on the phone in 1980. Can I prove that? No. But it is known. Google "when was the last time John Lennon And Paul mccartney spoke on the phone" it will say early 1980. although the only person who would know that answer is Paul.
Yeah there really isn't any news here. It is well known that they hung out quite a few times when he was away from Yoko. They were planning on meeting up again, but after John went back with Yoko everything changed. And another time when Paul showed up at John and Yoko's place in NY, Lennon angrily sent him away saying he couldn't just show up. Basically, as long as John was with Yoko there was very little chance he and Paul would do anything together even if John had considered it. Yoko also continually says that Paul likes to believe what he wants to believe about what John felt near the end. Without Yoko they certainly could have done more together, with her around there was pretty much no chance.
@@lennon1252 he told him he really liked his song Coming Up. John said he liked the funky version but Paul said the record company wanted the rock version.
May Pang has said that in 1974 John was talking about wanting to write with Paul again. Also, there’s supposedly a sworn affidavit that John signed (1980-ish) saying he had plans to reunite the Beatles… he wrote it as part of a legal action against the tribute band Beatlemania.
Absolutely true. Lennon’s comments were a piece of evidence the in the Apple Computer vs Apple Corp. lawsuit. I was working at Apple Computer during that lawsuit. Lennon’s affidavit was also part of the evidence of the Beatles plans to do the Anthology series even though it wasn’t called that yet in 1979. The Beatles were saying their Apple trademark was still valid and would be used again in the future. The Beatles won that lawsuit.
@@MichaelWhelan-p9u Interesting. They had to prove ownership of `The Beatles` name...? Was there doubt they could use that name in business?
If John hadn't left us, NO DOUBT they would have.
Damn.
Not if Yoko was around. She would always manage to prevent it from happening, it's pretty clear she did not want Lennon spending much time around Paul. Some even think she set up Paul in the drug charge in Japan. I wouldn't doubt it.
John didn't leave us. He was forcibly taken from us by a deranged psychopath. 😢
Not with yoko big mouth advice in it, she brain washed john into breaking up the band and Paul even said that in a interview with Howard stern, he said john wanted it to be done and it was her fault for screwing with John’s head 😡
If you watch the May Peng documentary, John was never against the idea of the Beatles reuniting. Especially mid 70s when John and Paul forgave eachother and was willing to perform together post breakup. John just wanted his space. Wanting more personal freedoms and luxuries that being showcased as a Beatle wouldn't satisfy. Even though the members signed liquidation for the Beatles in Disney land, John was the last member to sign because he had reservations about doing so.
George would have been much harder to reconciliate. I believe in the early 70s George would only consider a Beatles reunion possible if solo careers would presume simultaneously. Being a Beatle is a young man's game and the Beatles shouldn't reunite and tarnish their great legacy.
My impression is that George would do whatever John told him to.
@@SelectCircle Then you don;t know anything about George.
@@Mozart1220 That's probably the only thing I do know - besides that he lost his guitar chops because he wouldn't practice - and he was stabbed by a burglar.
John was the only one to sign those papers at disneyland, the others signed earlier in New York.
@@SelectCircle George didn't lose his chops, listen to his final album that Dhani finished, George was still great.
Paul and John had spoken on the phone in 1980 about getting together and writing some songs together, and for Ringo but the studios were closed for the holidays so they planned to do it after New Year's. But unfortunately John died 😢
True indeed
he didn't die, he was murdered
@@mikeystheoneWhen your murdered, you die...
@@joethompson2910 *you're
That’s what I heard , they had studio booked and were ready to do it , then a maniac yank called chapman destroyed it
I swear, somethings I think that John and Paul act like husband and wife and George and Ringo act like their kids.
Dear John Lennon everyone misses you. We gather at Strawberry Fields in Central Park, NYC and at The Imagine Peace Tower in Iceland and at smaller monuments for you around the world ☮️🌏☮️
Yo y mucha gente lo extrañamos no puedo entender como alguien pudo haber acabado con una alma transparente
their contributions to music, culture, and humanity can not be overstated. even their early songs still sound good today and in the old videos you can see how much fun they were having. Heaven sent.
Linda said that Paul "desperately" wanted to write with John again sometime close to John's death. So...maybe not get the band together again but he sure wanted to write with John.
They could have resurrected The Nurk Twins (Nerk Twins?) name as a duo! If george & Ringo weren't going to be involved. That could have been fun.
My guess is that if John hadn't been shot, there would have been a Lennon McCartney colloaberation
Supposedly, and I've not been able to confirm this outside the video that presented this allegation, Jack Douglas, John's producer for Double Fantasy said that Paul and John wanted to write together again and had tried to book an LA studio for a session in December 1980 but that the studio was booked that month and they rescheduled for January 1981. If it weren't for John's assassination, it was going to happen. That's not a Beatles reunion, George and Ringo weren't involved, but to have two of the greatest songwriters trying to work together again on some songs would've been a real treat.
John's passing is truly the most tragic event in all music history 😢
John Lennon's murderer will never see the light of day. Whenever he goes before the parole board Yoko Ono is right there in solidarity.
Yes, it is.
Yes, it broke the hearts, especially, of those who grew up with John's (and The Beatles) music. Mass media, and the nature of celebrity, gives the illusion that you know someone. And, when the someone is killed, it can have a powerful emotional effect. John belonged to the public, and one publicity seeking, selfish little b*stard, took him away from all of us.
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Every musical era has had its heartache and tragic losses.
Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Patsy Cline,Richie Vallens, Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper, Sam Cooke, Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Cobain, Geez..
The list is long and sad.
But…
For those of us who grew up with and loved The Beatles,and especially John Lennon in this case, the pain of his tragic murder never goes away.
Thank goodness the music endures.
Yes, Apple Computer had at one point claimed the Apple Corp ‘Apple’ trademark was no longer valid because Apple records had ceased to function. Remember, this is years before CD’s and re-releases. So Apple Corp entered into evidence Lennon’s statement, made just before he died, that the Beatles intended to record again for a Beatles retrospective project.
I believe Paul. There was one Lennon documented interview walking on the shore where John was saying he's open to the idea, he could call the guys and say let's get together and do something but he didn't want to do it just to do it. If it happens, it happens.
@@hisgreatness2 that’s the one I heard him say it.
I heard that interview. In Malibu.
I think Paul and John as well as George too liked the freedom from the cage and pressure of always having to write Beatles songs. John Paul George and Beatles fans knew what a Beatles song was. You would listen to the solo work of John Paul and George and immediately identify oh these 2 or 3 songs were Beatles songs and the rest did not measure up. They all knew which of their songs were Beatles songs and which were not. Finally they were able to breath and write what pleased them and show the full spectrum of their songwriting gifts.
Ringo was the only one who would have had a chance to make them get back together because he was the glue that kept them together even when he left during the white album they all got together to ask him to return they needed him to hold those big egos together
You're right. The only way I could have pictured them reuniting (had they lived long enough) was at one of Ringo's All Star Band shows. Maybe run out and do an encore together. Getting together under the "B" name brought too much baggage. But as the latest iteration of the ASB, it could have worked. Mainly, I think, because John and George would found it funny. And Paul wouldn't want to be left out.
I heard Paul say the two, John and Paul, almost went down to Saturday Night Live when George was on.
Yes, I think it was to "accept" Lorne Michael's offer of three thousand dollars for the Beatles to reunite on SNL. George, playing along, said the offer was "chintzy" to Michaels on the show.
@@WinslowLeach1974 No Michaels told George-he';s only ONE Beatle so he only gets $750.00 to which George thought that was "chintzy" lol
They def would have gotten back together to some degree. God Bless the Beatles
They would have reunited if John had lived
Yes, eventually.
Only after Yoko had divorced him.
Where is your proof.
Maybe eventually but he definitely had no plans to do it at the time. His plan was to finish the album he was working on (what became Milk And Honey) then go on tour and take a trip back to Britain.
The best thing the Beatles did was NOT getting back together. A reunion couldn't possibly have satisfied people's expectations. Leave the legend alone.
You don’t know that. They could have made their best song ever. Your ego is outta hand to state that as a fact. You can’t predict imaginary history outcomes
As John said. It never got to a moment where all 4 wanted it at once. Which means there was also moments where one of them wanted to. So, totally believable.
When Paul negotiated his contract with Columbia Records he put in a stipulation that he could record with the Beatles or as the Beatles if it were warranted. Indicating that it was in the back of his mind that it could happen. Even in late 1980 John talked about everyone contributing songs to a Ringo album and it was speculated that it was a cover for a potential Beatles reunion
John was definitely up for a reunion. In the Elliot Mintz interview with John on the beach in Malibu, John flat out says he'd be in as long as he didn't have to organize it. Paul was at one of his post-Beatles creative peaks during that time period and was not as nostalgic as John for a reunion in the mid 70s.
John was remembering the good times of the Beatles when being interviewed on the beach with his confident.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but there was the night that John called Paul after SNL offered a bunch of money for a Beatles appearance (or something like that).
The two guys hung out, played some music and, for a little while, actually contemplated going to the SNL studio and just popping in to play something.
They quickly dismissed the idea, but for a few moments, John was really into it.
That was in April 1976 & was the last time they met. Paul & Linda spent an evening at the Dakota with John & Yoko. The last time J & P talked was a telephone conversation in January 1980. It was Macca who made the call. Paul continues to over-play their post- Beatles relationship to this day.
I don't believe this story for a second. I've been following The Beatles since 1980 and over 44 years, I have NEVER heard about this. Lennon wanted a solo career, he wanted to raise his son and he wanted to grow closer to Yoko. He was done with the band.
It's absolutely true. It was around the time they jammed in 1974 with Stevie Wonder. They also planned to try again in January of 1981.
Just because YOU don’t believe it doesn’t mean that it isn’t true!
" someone knocking at the door ".
Do me a favour, at this moment, i'm not in the mood.
What if it was Auntie Gin? You'd better get that, Paul.
John said in one his last interview that if they got back together again it would be in the studio , not touring.
RE: Getting The Beatles back together... John's idea. We'll never know for sure. I'm guessing Paul is telling the truth about this. John seemed pretty impulsive and would often say whatever was on his mind... in the moment. So, it's easy to see John riding that idea, as it popped up, and calling Paul. Paul always seemed a little more cautious and reflective. Clearly, the band's breakup was painful for him, kind of like ending a marriage.
Lets be honest. The Beatles would have done all kinds of projects together over the years if they all survived. I'm not surprised that John suggested it, and I'm not suprised Paul wasn't ready. But I think around the time Free as a Bird came out they might have put out something, then again around the time Now and Then came out.
I believe Paul. There was a period in 1973-74, after John left Yoko, that he hinted to it in the press. Allen Klein was pretty much out of the way, and they were on pretty good terms at that point. Paul was just starting to get his solo career on track at that point, so I could understand why he wasn’t interested then. I wish they had though.
John Lennon did the song Now and Then singing about how he kissed his old bandmates,which points to the possibility that it's true
From people that were around John stated he did go back-and-forth I've heard it several times over the years. That being said for legal reasons they couldn't get together. Paul couldn't come into the states John couldn't leave. Also it's been confirmed that they were planning on getting together following Christmas the year he died. I don't think as a band though. I think they were apprehensive as even Beatle fans were that they would be scrutinized terribly if they came back as the Beatles. I also believe in that last interview that he and Yoko did the day he died or the day before he died he stated he was going to be working with Paul. In an interview one of his assistance had said that he followed everything that Paul did. John had done an interview in 1980 where he said oh he doesn't pay attention to wings or any of that. But that it just wasn't true he followed him closely. I think it's so sad that he did not show Paul the support to see him at Madison Square, Gardens for wings over America. Evidently one of their psychic said that Paul had invited him just to rub it in. I think Paul was proud and did want his dear friend there to support him. John did say how great he thought wings was but he said it was not wings it was McCartney. He said so many complementary things about Paul throughout that 10 years. It's just said it never got as much Press as when he'd be in one of his moodsand say something mean. It's just really too bad for him for them and all of us
Personally I would have enjoyed seeing the Beatles reunite, but sadly George Harrison said that he would never be in a band again with Paul McCartney. George faced restrictions within the band that was imposed on him by McCartney and Lennon.
I can only imagine this happening between 1972-1974 specially in the Mind Games era, when John was with May Pang and giving interviews saying "maybe" and starting getting annoyed with Alan klein. after Band On the Run came out Paul could see himself building a solid career after the Beatles and probably was still getting over it as we know he went to a dark place after the band break up until at least 1971. Maybe he wasn't afraid of getting back together but going through another break up
The "Toot and a Snore" jam tape, available here on UA-cam, has John saying to pass around the nose candy and barely discernible interchanges after John called across the room to Paul, who was on drums. John couldn't get everyone out of the complimentary blow. He said, "Let's do SOMETHING, who's got any ideas?" Something to that effect. But the tape of John singing the demo "Now and Then", had in John's handwriting, "For Paul" on the tape. The fact that The Beatles were going to get back together, and tour (after an album, I'd wager) was a Fait accompli. This makes the assassination of John
all the more heartbreaking, if one can imagine (no pun intended) that.
@@michaelg1060It's a shame they were so fucked up. lol There are a few choice moments with John, Paul and Stevie Wonder that I wish lasted longer.
@@michaelg1060 Problem is Yoko didn't want this. The only time Lennon spent more time with Paul was when he was away from Yoko. May Pang loved the idea of the Beatles getting back together. As soon as John went back with Yoko, he canceled a meeting he had planned with Paul. And later when Paul showed up at their NY place, Lennon angrily told Paul he couldn't just show up there whenever he wanted. Yoko would always be a problem and there wasn't much evidence that Lennon would ever leave her. Yoko still says crap about Paul and the other Beatles until this day. Now she's complaining that Paul, George and Ringo never said good things about her back then because they were bigots that hated her because she was a woman. She was and is insane.
@@BaronVonMunch I don't know why no one has really ever seriously looked at Yoko being behind John's murder. She already had a new boyfriend and moved him in right quick after 12-8-80. HE wore John's clothes, and Yoko, of course, got EVERYTHING. I have always suspected she had a lot more to do with it than people are comfortable with saying, for some reason.
@@BaronVonMunch Insane and I would add evil. What she did to Julian, who'd done nothing to Yoko. Julian had to fight for YEARS to get part of what he deserved from his father's estate.
I’m glad they didn’t reunite because it wouldn’t have been the same. It would have been nice to see them on stage one last time. But to try and recover the magic? No. I’m glad that they went out when they did: On top. They left their fans wanting more, which is what you want. I didn’t want to see them like the Stones, these old geezers singing Satisfaction and not sounding the same.
In the book "The Beatles and the Historians: An Analysis of Writings About the Fab Four by Erin Torkelson Weber", in late 1974 and in early 1975 John expressed a desire to write with Paul again but Yoko put a stop to it.
John referred to her as a sorceress who practiced magic to get her way.
I remember that and also remember John saying that Yoko said she was a witch and he was afraid of her.
Had John lived, I predict the Beatles would have reunited for a project in 1993 for their 30th anniversary. It would have been similar to Anthology with them recording 3 new songs. Then I predict they would have done 1 acoustic Unplugged concert on VH1 with considerable proceeds to charity, and then called it quits.
It reminds me of the scene from The Blues Brothers, The scene where Jake and Elwood are in the lounge and they're pitching getting the band back together to the rest of the band. What always strikes me about that scene is that every musician, I don't care how big or how small you are, every musician has been on both sides of that conversation. And why would the Beatles be any different?
I don’t believe for a second that John phoned Paul about getting The Beatles back together. This would’ve come out 2 decades ago.
From a 1995 interview….
This could have totally happened during his lost weekend
There are other things Lennon said when Beatlemania started regarding copyright issues as there was talk of them getting together. Also them being in his apartment talking about going on the set of SNL during a show. It would have happened had John lived.
I believe Paul but he knew John well enough to know it could have ended in disaster and unfortunately the interviewer didn't ask WHEN this call came as that would give us more of a clue as to everyones state of mind at the time. Paul was absolutely devastated after the split and I think he didn't want to put himself in a position to get hurt again.
John did say he would do it as long as they had something to say and all agreed to it. Two big ifs
In 1979 I read an amusing article in a music magazine. Apparently, Paul McCartney contacted John Lennon and asked if he wanted to write a new song together. Lennon apparently replied 'no I already have enough money'.
I think The Beatles would have reunited for the occasional concert such as Live Aid in 1985. I doubt very much that they would have gone on a full international tour. I believe the world tours between 1964 and 1966 were a big challenge to them mentally and emotionally. The very last Beatles concert was in San Francisco in 1966. They recorded new music in the last four years they were together up to 1970 but they never toured again.
John and Paul played together in L.A. in 1974. Paul even wrote a song about it. John was AWAY from Yoko at that time....THAT would have been the time. Paul doesn't give a DATE for when this phone call happened so....who knows.
After John stopped talking to George everything was over. He did say at one point in the mid 70s that it was a possible thing
According to May Pang, John wanted to at the very least work with Paul again, however when he got back together with Yoko, Yoko thought that it was a bad idea. There is a video of John and Yoko a few years later in central park where a guy asks when The Beatles are getting back together and John responds enthusiastically "tomorrow!". He was joking but I think that it was something that was on his mind. Had he not gotten back together with Yoko, it might have happened but who knows.
I remember John and Paul use to joke about all the money being offered for a reunion.... They talked often on the phone and John would say "I won't get back together unless we each get 100 million dollars." And then Paul would say, "I'll get back together when we get paid one billion dollars" and back and forth it would go to see who was willing to pay the most.
Would the possibility of Paul,Ringo, Julian and Sean Lennon and Dhani Harrison getting together for a few shows? That would be AWESOME 👍 especially if The Evil One Yoko isn't involved in any part of such an endeavor!!
She has more artistic talent in her little finger than your whole body. She's 90 and sick and saw her husband murdered. Give your sophomoric, unoriginal rantings a rest, pal.
My girlfriend in the 80's, she had an uncle that was a co-producer with Jack Richardson ( Canadian producer who worked with The Guess Who, The Irish Rovers, Kim Mitchell and many more ). She said that her uncle tried to arrange a Beatles reunion in the 70's and was almost successful, as he had John, George and Ringo agreeing to it, but was told off by Paul since he was doing so well with Wings. I know for a fact that her uncle did indeed work with Jack Richardson, but did he really almost reunite The Beatles? I guess it's possible.
'75' and '80' were two times when Lennon wasn't " under the influence". At least not since ' 68 '. Then some lunatic came along at the Dakota. He called his Aunt Mimi who sent him some of his school ties. He told May Pang he was leaving Yoko. He and Paul were talking. Yoko hated it. Go figure...
I've heard Paul talking about this before and he said that he was riding high with Wings at the time this was suggested and he felt some sort of revenge in vetoing the reunion. I don't blame him given the behaviour of the other three against him. They'd all aligned with Alan Klein and almost lost everything they'd worked for.
I'm no post 80s Paul fan (Paul of the Beatles and the 70s absolutely definitely - but not what he has become now..) but I think you are absolutely right - the other three (and John Lennon is , musically at least, one of the few heroes that I still have (I've tended to shed them as I've got older....) treated him ABYSMALLY during that Klein debacle from what I have read over the years - I for one don't really blame Paul if that is why he vetoed the idea... IF he did of course...
Like almost all Beatle stuff (The Klein debacle included) its all down to what you have read and what you actually believe.... and that is probably exactly how it should be 😀
I don't think anyone asked George or Ringo about any of this. John and Paul had discussed several things in the 70s. There were at least 2 times where they were going to meet up but Lennon changed his mind most likely at the urging of Yoko. I believe Lennon would have been willing if Yoko wasn't around. She seemed to be able to control him and I don't think she wanted Lennon to have anything to do with Paul.
@@BaronVonMunch Yoko was already plotting a Lennon demise so she would have what she now has.
Sorry, there's video of John Lennon discussing a Beatles reunion only if all four Beatles were in the same place at the same time and he said we would really want to all four of us want to do it. Paul McCartney's been slipping on his information here the last few years and I do not believe for one minute that John asked for a Beatles reunion and Paul said no. I do not believe that at all.
Yes, and "Revision" is a three syllable word!
You girls really don’t like Paul
It could be that they just loosely talked about getting together again.
That John Lennon just vented the idea - but actually didn't put so much seriousness into it.
@@PatRiley-gv6pu Is calling someone a girl supposed to be an insult?
@@tomrogerlilleby2890 If Yoko was around at the time, she would have derailed it at some point. It would have ended up with Lennon telling Paul to get the f out.
It's never the same. If they did get back together, it would have to have been in secret and they would not have been able to do a live show, something to video. The media and fan frenzy would basically ruin any attempt at live shows. As much as the fans would have liked a reunion, it just simply would not be the same as it was before the breakup, people grow and change.
Good point...they hadn`t been playing live at the end anyway...by 76, would have been a decade not being an actual live band. Recording in secret would have been impossible...and that`s not really a reunion the public wanted...everyone knows they could have recorded separately anyway. It would have created more problems than them simply plugging in on a rooftop or something.
John in the late 70s was very different than John in the early 70s.
I think what also seems to have gone under the radar is that John technically did not break up the Beatles, Paul did. Yes John said what he said during the meeting in September 1969, and he likely meant it. But then he didn't fully act on it, no public statements that he was leaving, no beginning of legal arrangements. The standard narrative is that he was advised to hold off while new contracts were being signed, Let it Be getting released, etc. and I'm sure he was told that and that was one of the reasons why he didn't act. But personally I suspect that at the same time he was also conflicted, definitely wanting a new independent life and career with Yoko, but also not totally sure that he wanted to completely walk away from what had become a big part of his life. I can imagine his feelings on the decision going back and forth during those months between September and April. Not that anyone likely would have been able to tell as he possibly put on an outward appearance of being resolved to his plan. Note that his decision to leave was somewhat spontaneous on the plane ride back from Toronto in early September. Sure he had been thinking about it, but he suddenly decided right after the success at the concert. By April he was possibly still unsure what he felt about it all, and then like a bombshell Paul announces (essentially) that he is leaving the group. John was reportedly angered by this, the standard narrative is that he was mad that Paul stole his thunder. I wonder though if it's because John had not fully decided that he wanted to completely break from the group and never record with them again. Paul's announcement created a finality that John had been avoiding, dreading, and may not even been sure that it's what he wanted. I don't blame Paul though, he had his problems with Alan Klein, and he thought John had already made up his mind, and probably John's actions at the time seemed to make that clear. But was it? I don't think it's totally impossible to believe that if Paul hadn't announced that he was leaving the group, that sometime in 1970 there might have been at least one more Beatles album recorded.
You forgot to put in John’s interviews from 1973 to 1975 where he says he wasn’t opposed to the idea of getting back together. He did say in one interview that he cant be bothered to be the one to bring the band back together so that puts Paul’s statement of John phoning him in jeopardy.
Would have been a mistake if they had reformed. They left a legacy that can never be tarnished!
The music scene had changed so much. They were hit and miss solo up until 75, and so much great music was coming out of the UK; I honestly don`t think they`d`ve been able to compete. Then something like punk would have happened anyway and there would have been a sad dwindling away of late 30 something 60s relics. Being solo rejuvenated them, freed them, despite charts ups and downs...and that was the way it was meant to be.
We know from audio interviews with Lennon he was very open to a reunion with McCartney at least. He said “we were the Beatles.” He might have said the opposite two days later. He often hanged his mind. My guess is that McCartney and Lennon would have written together again in the 1980’s. Paul might’ve been more receptive to a reunion in late 1980 or 1981 after he de facto ended Wings and released his solo album. I think they would’ve liked to have a go at the New Wave craze-they were 15+ years ahead of the curve.
I'm pretty sure I remember John mention a few times in interviews, that at one time or another each member had tried to get it back together but there's was always be a different guy say, "no" I think John was into it, right around 1974 he had a #1 album and song and probably felt like he would be in a power position again. I remember reading in May Pangs book that John was going to met uo with McCartney in New Orleans (he was recording Venus and Mars) she had even booked a flight for the two of them and the next day John changed his mind. Maybe, he suggested it to McCartney then and once he rejected the idea he called off the trip. I guess we'll never know what really happened.
When John was with May Pang, she said there was talk about them getting together to do something.
She encouraged John to reconnect with Paul. Which they did during his "lost weekend".
Paul had invited John down to New Orleans where Paul had moved the family to record Venus and Mars as well as take in the Mardi Gras. John wrote a postcard to Apple press agent Derek Taylor that he was thinking about it. If he had gone down to NO with May, there;s no doubt there would have been some writing and musical contributions going on, just as John did with Harry Nilson and David Bowie. But John got back with Yoko and that killed any thoughts of joining Paul.
Sure I believe McCartney, anyone can change their mind. Lennon knew he created some of the best music of his life with those guys, it's not hard to imagine he'd want to do that again. Remember it's said that TIME HEALS ALL WOUNDS.
Why would Paul lie? He wouldn’t But it doesn’t matter now. He has been gone longer than he was live. Mark Chapman better never be let out. He stole John’s life and stole a lot from John’s fans.. us. Thanks John for the gift you gave us in your music
The now iconic offer by SNL"s Lorne Michaels for $3000.00 is just as amusing now as it was then
Paul was visiting The Dakota when it was broadcast,. He wanted to do it but was too tired
It’s moot since George hated both John and Paul by this point.
John gave an interview he said "why not? He could call them. The 80's was a brand new era in John's perspective
There was a John interview where he said, "oh, why not? But then someone else would be against it". Again, the man died way too young. So, we will never really know.
Oh, they couldnˋt hide their Love away, from each other and yes,
itˋs absolute plausible, that John could have said such a Thing on the Phone - Iˋm sure there would have been a Reunion; maybe for some Gigs or so, if John had not been shot by a Lunatic.
". . .bothered other people." In other words, George Harrison.
George wouldn't have gone for it.
True, but the heart of the band was always John and Paul, and a reunion of just those 2 or maybe them and Ringo would have been enough for me. George was a dour sourpuss who threw a wet blanket on all band projects. It wouldn’t have been exactly the same without him, but it wouldn’t have been all that different with a different lead guitarist.
@@user-gz9dv9oh9o As a Beatle fan myself I'll have to agree with you about George and it's even hard for me to say this but here goes.
George is where fun goes to die.
@@user-gz9dv9oh9o John when George went missing in 1968 " Well just get Eric in " ( Ref Anthology )
@@paulweston285no .here comes the Sun, Something, no While My guitar….
@@jayclarke5466 George clearly made contributions with some (but not all that many) songs he wrote. He also harmonized well with the others. His guitar playing was average at best. George was pissed off, with justification, that he wasn’t respected by John and Paul and that they treated him as their kid brother. His response was to try and prevent the group from doing anything, and he got them to stop touring. Overall, hard to say if he was a net positive or negative to the group. If it was up to me, I would have tried to keep him in the group, and as a part of any reunion. But if he was unwilling or created issues, I would have had no problem finding someone else. It would have been easy to find a better guitarist.
All 3 Beatles were contributing to Ringo's current album when John was shot. They were actually discussing more of a collaboration since all the Allen Klein stuff was behind them. So your "news" is not really that new. Paul and John had gotten together in LA during John's lost "weekend," and we all know that Paul was in the Dakota watching SNL when there was that comical offer to perform on that show. So little by little their orbits were aligning until that fateful night in December took it all away. God bless the Beatles for giving us so much when they were together and since their breakup.
For some reason I can't imagine Paul saying no to a possible Beatles reunion. ever...
Unless John wanted Yoko in the band. 🤨
It was probably during John’s “lost weekend” with Harry Nilsson, when Yoko had set him loose with her assistant in tow. Supposedly he’d bounced the idea of her first, she loved it, but when he returned to Yoko, she shot it down. It could very well have been in the form of “Paul is right, don’t do it.”
Imagine John Lennon being here today and being part of McCartneys touring band since 2001. I'm sure that's how it would have turned out as Lennon & McCartney live. Sadly it's not so. 😢
They were showmen. If John hadn't of died..they probably would of done it in the 80s.
I was told that John expressed interest in getting back together only if Ringo was the leader of the band. 😊
There was never any bullshit from the Beatles, an honest early career, an honest breakup and honest individual careers. Never a thought to get back together just to make more money. They have integrity and authenticity as well as an uncommon brilliance.
If John had not been shot, would The Beatles have gotten back together for Live Aid? No, I don't think they would have. I think that the four of them... John, Paul, George, and Ringo... would come to the realization quickly that The Beatles reuniting would overshadow what the whole reason for Live Aid was... raising money for starving people in Africa. If The Beatles were to reunite, it would be for their own reason. Perhaps a charitable cause of their own, or just a one-off worldwide television event. Something like that. The Beatles reuniting would be such a monumental occurrence that the reunion would be all that anyone would talk about, and relief for starving people in Africa would get buried in the story.
That's a good point. I never thought of it like that. I think you're right. If you look at the Concert for Bangladesh that George organised some years before the Beatles could have easily reunited for that but people would have lost sight of what the cause was about. Interestingly Led Zeppelin minus Bonham off course did get back together for Live Aid.
Well, all you need to do is ask Paul! He's still alive, so damn it, put an interview together & let's her him give the full story. Date , place, and the nature of the conversation...
It doesn't change anything. Let it go. The Beatles broke up. They didn't get back together. No change
That is not what I've always read. John was finished with the Beatles. And I believe he was. What really matters is that they got together in the first place. And made all that wonderful music.
If this did happen, I don’t blame Paul for being hesitant. It would either be like he said - 3 days until the “best behavior” period was over and then it’d be all the same crap again - or - he knew Lennon’s impulsiveness and he’d change his mind the next day.
A Sinister man by the name of Mark David Chapmen. Put an end to any Beatles Reunion . cold blooded murderer ..
@@stevennewton5185 don’t mention his name!
I can’t believe he’s still breathing the same air we breathe.
MDC=343=3x4=12x3=36/666
You better open your eyes.
MDC also played photographer who befriended Lennon at that time. yeah.......same dude.
MDC also had asian wife. What a cowinkydink.
More anomolies but ppl just don't want the truth.
@@marcjohnson9270 Your on the sauce early.
@@paulweston285 Sparkling water....yeah nice try. btw Goober....it's you're.
I believe Paul, but it would be good to know the year John threw that out, or how serious John really was. Also would George have been on board at that time? Remember John didn’t show up to support George’s concert for Bangladesh. Plus it may have been hard to keep John’s enthusiasm going with putting together all the moving parts that would have been involved for any kind of reunion. Also shortly before John’s passing and as a very last minute impromptu invite, Paul asked John about appearing together with him as a surprise on SNL when Paul was scheduled to host & preform. According to Paul, John seemed to almost entertain the idea & then ultimately declined saying he was too comfortable just staying at home with Sean as apposed to doing things like that. But, I do think Live Aid in the 80’s or at some point later they would have all put their differences aside for at least a performance together.
Oasis reunion has world wide attention so Paul came up with this story because he felt left out 😂
just stop it
I read an article not long ago I found interesting. Yoko had said that the boys were thinking of getting together in late 1980 to record again. She said John talked to her about it, said it was time & he was now in a better state of mind. It was to happen in England, (the get-together) & he was looking forward to it. The article brought me some hope, as I didn't think this would happen. But we will never know, & that really bugs me now! 🤨
Another Paul story after John died. No one to refute it.
Paul rewriting history again. He wrote most of In my Life and Lucy in the Sky …..blah blah blah… he has no shame.
absolutely. One wonders what George's comment would have been
They did hang out some in the 70s and discussed doing some things. They almost showed up together on SNL one night in '75. The key was that Lennon wasn't with Yoko for a couple years. After they got back together, there wasn't much chance for Paul and John to get together. She had no interest in allowing a Beatle reunion and she always was able to control Lennon in that respect.
@@Peter-f1z You're only right, and let's face it there is no way on god's green earth Paul would EVER say 'no' to a Beatle reunion. Never, never, EVER.
Makes sense to me. Once Paul died in 1966 and Billy took his place, Billy thought he had the edge on everyone and thought himself superior to the rest of the Beatles as he could play multiple instruments, had more formal musical training, could read & write music, etc. Once beyond the Beatles experience, he felt more limitless as he could play off of Paul's celebrity to hoist himself to new heights without being restrained by the role of pretending to be a Beatle.
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Right, which is why there are 100s of Paul doppelgangers in the tiny UK, a place where the pool of talent available for even Television shows is so small, that actors often play parts on several other BBC shows simultaneously... or why when other band members died in rock history in places as large as the US AND ELSEWHERE, OR EVEN ACTORS TRYING TO RECREATE THE ROLE OF ELVIS, AN ARGUABLY EASY GUY TO IMITATE, that NOBODY COULD EVEN COME CLOSE... LOL. Ockam's Razor has cut you off at the knees, as you hobble along saying "that never happened! I was born this way!"
@@karijohartmann2649 wow. I was never aware there are many Paul impersonators as there are Elvis impersonators. My focus is/was soley on the individual who took his place to keep the band rolling but never stopped taking advantage once the band split up. I admire bands like Zeppelin who hung it up once a key member died.
Yes, it is VERY possible. John would scream about not wanting to go back to the Beatles, and then profess his deep love for his bandmates, despite everything. I think Paul is telling the truth. He knew John better than anyone, including Yoko or Cynthia.
There were deep feelings about the way John and Yoko split the band up. Even if they DID get a reunion, there would have been three on that stage that could never see John the same. It wouldn't have really been the Beatles.
I suspect what Paul is alluding to is the Ringo Starr sessions that were booked for January 1981..... Paul was (unofficially) producing Ringo's "Can't Fight Lightening" (what would become "Stop and smell the roses").... Paul and Ringo had worked together on 5-6 songs in July 1980, and apparently Paul was going to be at the 1981 sessions in New York to record the stuff John was there. Its probably something around that he is meaning