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Thank you Bryce for saying that Stefan doesn't love Elena like that anymore. Shits been done since season 4. And for saying Damon has to grow up bc you are right, he's 170 years old and having another one of his meltdowns about Elena and that he can't see her anymore. Bryce was right about him being pathetic and being pouty.
he died at 25 so hes a grown man doing all this over someone he full on went after himself while knowing she was in a relationship with his brother damon is just so immature at times
Girl bye lmao… If he doesn’t want to see his ex anymore, Elena should respect his choice. He literally didn’t have a meltdown and was communicating with Elena that some things were hurting him just like any normal human relationship. They broke up a day ago. I think it’s YOU who is having a meltdown.
Frfr. Season 6 & 3 are my favorite seasons but 4 is a close second. I appreciate season 5 for brining in Enzo even though due to the bad writing … I could care less about him in this season until 6 made him better. I also appreciate this season for introducing 2 of the Parkers siblings because of who it leads to 😏😏😏 even though … again cause of the writing they’re kinda weak in this season but their story/lore gets way more entertaining next season. Although that could be said about anything & everything, almost everything this season does wrong … is done better next season. Season 6 is a flawless season in my opinion & introduces my favorite character in the TVD universe. I’m so excited because they’re getting so much closer to meeting him & I can’t wait to see how they react to his chaos & insanity next season. We’re so close omgggg
Yeah I've been surprised by every episode in this season because I genuinely couldn't remember a single thing from this season. I definitely remember season 6 though haha
Nature (the universe), actively produces each set of doppelgängers, as Tessa implied when she described seeing pairs of them come together century after century. This suggests there are likely more pairs we haven’t seen. For example, Tom Avery, a man in the medical field close in age to Elena and living just a few states away, was likely her Silas counterpart. Markos' statements confirm the existence of other doppelgänger pairs but clarify that Nature never intended for them to end up together-that was Markos’ doing. Nature’s sole purpose was to restore balance by creating mortal versions of Silas and Amara. As each pair of doppelgängers died or became vampires, Nature replaced them with new pairs, usually within a century or two.
I'm sure you guys saw this episode was directed by Paul Wesley (Stefan) and it was so well done! He had so much to do. It was the 1st episode he directed (total of 5 by the end of the series). He's a great director!!! 👏👏
Damon and ekena both need a break for sure Elena can stay single at least for a bit I feel like they really don’t let these characters grow outside of these relationships in general might just be me but it’s getting boring in my opinion
I love how Jeremy's all "Trust me Bonnie, i know i messed up with Anna, but trust me" Then Matt comes back and says he saw Vicki and Jeremy's immediately like "Vicki?? Where?!" 😂 He might not be into Liv, but you can't tell me Jeremy wouldn't say no if Vicki came back
@@SassySoda I could tell you that. I truly don’t believe he’d ever want Vicki again. When her & Anna came back as a ghost, he didn’t even like her anymore because he liked Anna & Bonnie still. But I always thought he loved Anna the most & should’ve ended up with her.
it's bc the writers got lazy plot wise and dialogue wise, and literally had to create problems with delena for no reason simply for an "interesting" plot point. this season sucks
Bryce is remembering elijah, the owner changed while he was daggered and once he woke up he could no longer be in the house because the current owner hadnt invited him in
If Stefan had remained human he still wouldn't have ended up with Elena because he would have died long before she was born. So those visions couldn't be a 'What might've been'.
Yup- it's also why Elena's parents are alive (and Elena herself is actually). The visions are just a fantasy that Stelena never had a chance at. And Markos is lucky that Stefan didn't get run over and engulfed in flames while the first vision was preoccupying him. It's a wild scenario that wouldn't have actually happened but really, dude, even with durable vamps, don't get them distracted in the middle of streets.
It’s crazy how mature stelenas talk was and how different it was from Delena’s and I say that as a Delena/damon fan but I understand why he wants his space. Sometimes it’s hard to be friends with your ex especially with the dreams they were having 😭 Elena always likes to mention that shit like girl okay??? Damon is allowed to have his space and not wanna be around her lol.
Thank you!! Why are people saying he had a meltdown when he literally told her he can’t be friends with her because he’s hurt about the breakup, and he has every right to be. So she should respect his choice.
Its perfectly fine for Damon to need his space. He cant get over the girl if he's always with her. Not to mention having to listen about her and stephons daydreams about each other. This season is not the best , but the finale is so good
Well … the Salvatore brothers offered for her to live there because her house got burned down. If Damon really can’t stand being with her then he should just move out & compel someone that rents place to let him sign the deed so he owns a new place outside of the Salvatore house.
@@packedentertainment2866 He's not kicking her out of living there, but she is currently living at school the majority of the time and has no problem returning there at the end of this episode, so there's no reason for Damon to move out of the house to get some space? (also ouch to that poor human renter, isn't it enough that they're probably evading Traveler possession?)
Raffi Barsoumian is indeed fantastic, though he doesn't fully get to shine here. I haven't seen SEAL TEAM, which he probably gets to show off his hotness more in, but he was in the final two seasons of Legends of Tomorrow with his (amazing, wonderful) wife Tala Ashe.
22:32 it was Elijah lol, i’ll answer for Rob 🫶🏽 the dagger was pulled out of him after Elena signed the will and he started gasping for air, and like Bryce said, “tweaking”. Hope this helps c: love the channel and i love y’all c:
30:28 Damon in his own way is saying they need a break. He can’t to be around her rn be cause it’s too difficult for him. They need some time apart before they can be together again.
Last (the previous) episode Liv’s acting was iffy & her delivery was certainly off, but I don’t think it was her, I think it was the writing & direction. I promise that her & Luke like many other things in this season, like Enzo as well … are way better next season. Next season is flawless. But I don’t blame y’all for not caring about the Parker siblings or Enzo yet.
Exactly! Can’t understand some of these comments. Just like normal relationships he was communicating with Elena calmly by saying he can’t see her/ be friends with her because of their break up. If this was happening in real life, the person has to accept their ex’s choice. I don’t understand how some people are saying he is having a meltdown…
Thank you!!! Even though they were done in real life, and their chemistry kinda wavered for a bit, they’re still great actors and they portrayed Delena well here.
@Sandy-w5o they lost way too many viewers after their sirebond and delena shit they had to keep egging Stelena fans to not lose even more 😂 I do love how Elena and Stefan are able to be friends and still love each other regardless of how everything went down, Damon could never. He'd rather get revenge on Elena by killing Jeremy than let her be happy.
Yes. But I feel like Klaus maybe would’ve killed him because of how sassy Enzo can be sometimes which probably wouldn’t go well with Klaus because he’s also sassy & immature when people go against him or question him. But yeah, it would’ve been interesting had it happened
This why at times I didn't like Damon. He acts like a pity boy when he has a break up with her. I mean when Stefan broke up with her and she picked Damon he told him I am not not happy for you. He acts mature in ways Damon doesn't.
I have no idea why Jeremy, Matt, and Tyler thought they could take out the travelers by themselves. They should have informed the rest of the group instead of that dumb plan. 💀
It is understandable that Damon doesn’t wanna be friends with the girl he’s in love with. He had to say that to her so that way he can have some space and heal. It’s too painful for him right now.
Is it? It was the opposite in earlier seasons when she didn’t want him to love her but he kept pushing to be friends & in a relationship too even though she didn’t want that.
I like Luke. Wish he had gotten a bigger role. Or at least as much screen time Liv did. They are both of equal importance going forward. Or Luke, even more , I would say
one of the reasons why I don't like Delena is very much explained in this episode, you see the maturity that Stefan and Elena have when they talk and resolve their relationship once and for all and then, right after, Damon (being years older than both of them) shows once again how immature and insecure he is, everything about them this season comes down to fighting and sex with boring scenes that try to convey a sexy air but end up being just cringe, they simply don't work as a couple and the tension between them in the first 3 seasons was too perfect to be ruined like this
Lol. It's easy to be oh-so-mature and reasonable when there are no feelings or emotions involved...especially feelings involving the heart ... romantic feelings of love and passion. Stefan and Elena are zero invested in each other romantically or emotionally now, so its easy to have calm and clarity and objectiveness. As if they didn't have a breakup and reunion every second episode in S1..as if they had no drama and heightened emotional responses during their time together.
No Bryce , they are not showing us what Stelena would have been like, if Damon hadnt come between them. They are telling you, Damon or no Damon , Stelena would never have been for the long run. Elena was a human. He was a vampire. He could never be human. So where is the question of a perfect , gloriously happy human life, complete with kids as in those visions.? What they are showing you, very pointedly, through these visions, is that Stefan-Elena were always doomed to have only a short shelf-life. And that the fairy tale depiction of a picture perfect, family as seen in the visions , was nothing but an impossible reality. "That life was a fantasy. A Stefan-Elena happy ending was a fantasy. Just like the visions themselves .
I don't understand those who judge Bella and Edward's relationship from Twilight as toxic but think this relationship is healthy, they are both equal. I'm sorry to Delena's fans but that's the truth it was never healthy in fact it started wrong, so to be clear I love the characters individually, the same thing with Stelena I like them individually, the only thing that changes is that Stelena wasn't toxic.
@@DellaMcgee-mc4rf In another comment I agree with Zach that Elena didn't have to be with any of the Salvatores. But Stefan was nowhere near as toxic as Daemon, and I like Daemon, Elena and Stefan so they separate. Together they are too boring.
@@DellaMcgee-mc4rf Sorry, I thought we were talking about the couple Stelena and Delena, and being a ripper didn't come into the subject because Daemon kills people without even blinking, of course he didn't kill as many as Stefan, but he still kills. Dude just accept it, I don't hate Daemon I like him just not with Elena, Stefan the same thing. That's why I prefer the Daemon from season 6 and 7, who is the detached daemon who doesn't hurt his friends because of his girlfriend.
I forgot how much I hated season 5 till now It was all over the place The break ups were annoying. The villains weren’t compelling. The characters made some dumb choices but that’s like always so I didn’t expect much Season 6 saved it for me I guess cause I completely forgot about season 5
I never really hated season 5 but rewatching it for the 20th time it’s definitely trash lowkey. The lazy writing with Damon’s non existent development, Katherine just being a waste of space, just basically the whole second half of this season
Bryce was thinking of when Elijah started suffocating inside the Salvatore House after the brothers signed it over to Elena and she took the silver stake out of him at the end of the same episode. But yeah, if Markos wanted to trap Damon, using his own magic would be a whole lot better, since signing a deed would just force Damon to run away. Also, there are more Travelers than the ones who burned themselves in that parking lot to overwhelm Bonnie. They're a fairly large group (like, not thousands, but more than a dozen, certainly). They just have waves of attack, and as annoying and overwhelming as they seemed in scenes where a bunch of them were working with Wes or taking doppelganger blood, they could have packed even more people in there but didn't need to- as we saw with Mia, or ancient pre-Travelers Qetsiyah and Silas, they do have stronger hitters, and Markos is one of them (which was why it was worth it to them to sacrifice several to bring him back).
I hate the doppelganger retcon when we already got the backstory earlier in the season. Especially when the retcon is to service these lame ass travellers
It's not a retcon though? Even when Stelena were having dreams like this earlier in the season, they were directly implanted by Qetsiyah, a witch from the same origins as the Travelers. Qetsiyah talked about having seen doppelgangers fall in love repeatedly, but that doesn't mean it had to be a natural state- it is consistent with Markos' explanation of the spell he did. And Silas, the villain at the time, said that he liked to imagine the universe trying to replicate his love for Amara (and Katherine also endorsed it in hopes it meant Stefan was destined for her), so not exactly reliable sources. Finally, this is pretty clearly in the same vein as the S1 reveal Katherine wasn't in the tomb, or the S2 reveal about the Sun and Moon Curse, or the S3 sireline reveal, or the S4 "there's only one cure" reveal- it's a piece of mythology introduced earlier on in the season that affects characters' understanding of something they've just been introduced to (Stefan being a Silas doppelganger) only to later be upended by realizations about the real origins of the thing. You don't have to like it, but the entire season has been leading to the Travelers arc and the soulmate stuff of Stelena was just another part of that "lame ass" setup.
@@SLift-mn8hiTechnically, expanding upon allure with new information is considered a retcon in some scenarios, as it retroactively expands the contuinity. But like you said, his expansion doesn't break continuity just expand it without creating contradictions.
@SLift-mn8hi everything about the doppelganger lore in s5 including Silas and Amara absolutely is a retcon, for more reasons that one. For one, Qetsiyah is a traveler. She’s been on the other side for 2000 years obsessed with Silas & Amara and doppelgängers. Yet, when she returns it’s like she has no clue about the spell that is drawing the doppelgängers together. She said it’s the “universe”, and suggests that the universe created the doppelgängers as versions of Silas & Amara that could die, but the doppelgängers meeting and falling in love is somehow just fate. There are only 2 explanations for this: either Qetsiyah just decided to keep the traveler spell to herself for no reason at all, or somehow, after 2000 years of obsession, Qetsiyah had no idea that her own people cast the spell to draw the doppelgängers to each other. Then you have the flaw with the spell in itself. Despite the travelers casting a spell 1000 years before Katherine’s birth, somehow the only doppelgängers they manage to draw together are Katherine & Stefan and Elena & Stefan. There are fan theories which suggest Tatia’s first husband and Katherine’s baby daddy were doppelgängers, but it’s never once even slightly hinted by the characters in the show who would know what those 2 men looked like. So in 1500 years of the spell, the Travelers only managed to draw 1.5 pairs of doppelgängers to each other? Finally it doesn’t explain Stefan and Elena’s first meeting (nor does it explain Katherine & Stefan’s which is why they retconned it in s5 along with all the other doppelgängerlore), because if Stefan had never met Katherine, Stefan & Elena wouldn’t have even crossed paths for longer than the time it took him to save her life. Or was Elena’s parents dying Traveler interference too? This is not even counting the fact that somehow Silas & Amara’s doppelgängers came to be despite them never reproducing yet the doppelgängers can only exist if the dippelgangers continue to reproduce since they all share a bloodline. By definition it f the word everything we learn about the doppelgängers in s5 is a retcon. Retcons don’t always have to be bad, this one is.
@hali_55 Well actually the show's Laura established that it doesn't have to be direct descendant to produce a doppelganger. Just someone of the same bloodline. Also, It's later been revealed that Silas is the one that knew the spell to undo the other side, and gave it to The Travelers. Because, as the show describes him, he's a walking encyclopedia of magic. And well yes, he contacts you into doing a lot of things for him by manipulating her, he likely gotten all the knowledge out of her that same way too. Also , convoluted as it may be, the show did give a reason for what Travelers took so long. Other witches were at actively sabotaging their efforts, plus a traveler has kept them from gathering together for places for too long. Add that to the stretching out of the traveler diaspora, even if the spells would draw the doppelgang is together, there's no guarantee That Travelers would actively find them, let alone have time to enact their plans. Especially since the show makes it explicitly clear that the witches we're actively impeding them. Like how they couldn't find Tom until the witch that was cloaking him was killed. There are other similar explanations for the other things you mentioned. So yes, the entire travel storyline is a retcon, but it doesn't break continuity. It's just a series of never-ending contrivances. That being said, The possibility that Steph and Elena only loved each other because of a spell commit that never sit well with me, even though I never liked them together. It's just as unnecessarily forced as a sirebond drama. Especially since the show runners, later confirmed, that yes, they were in fact in love on their own.
@@hali_55 The explanation is number 2- Qetsiyah was obsessed with the doppelgangers and watching them, missing what the Travelers, bitter that her spell cost them everything, were up to and they weren't inclined to tell her; she bemoans earlier this season that the Travellers are keeping Amara cloaked and hidden and she can't break through. The flaw with the spell itself- As Qetsiyah said, she saw other doppelgangers fall in love, so the spell didn't only work on Katherine and later. The spell would have worked more efficiently back before the Travelers spread more and more out (as lucariomew said), keeping in mind Katherine's father was a Traveler and the curse on them, and the doppelganger lines, or at least Amara/Katherine's had to go into hiding. Nadia's father definitely didn't look like Stefan. If Tatia's did, it actually makes complete sense no one would have known (she came to the pre-Mystic Falls village ca. 1000 after being widowed, the Mikaelson sibs could have easily never met her husband, and Tatia never got a chance in-show to describe his appearance). As to how Stefan and Elena end up meeting... whether the Travelers spell or "fate" causes it, if it's because they're doppelganger soulmates (the backstory from earlier in the season you were complaining was retconned) then it all boils down to the same thing. Why is it more tenable to you if it's mystical fate rather than mystical spell that would have 2000 years to affect events unfolding? Regardless, Isobel, Elena's bio mom, descendant of Katherine and Tatia, grew up miles from the same town where Tatia died, and then ended up pregnant with a Gilbert from that town, and the Salvatore connections come in there. You can boil it down to them all being drawn to Mystic Falls if you'd like- chances are that the Salvatores (as long as they were living as vampires with free prerogative to go where they wished) would have ended up visiting Mystic Falls during Elena's life while she looked like Katherine (and not just because Damon was going to be there for the Tomb opening). Elena's parents dying was just a fluke, not a crucial part of Stefan & Elena ever meeting (though obviously fundamental to how they do in the show). The idea of direct descendance from Katherine is mentioned by Damon back in S1 during the trip to Bree's Bar. (Never mind the ludicrousness of scripting where Stefan says "you weren't a Pierce, you're a Gilbert" to Elena later on in that same episode- because over a century later a female descendant is going to have the same name... never mind that Katherine hadn't reproduced since the late 15th century). But we're never given firm evidence Isobel found a direct link from Katherine, and direct descendance was already effectively retconned when Nadia showed up this season as a vampire with her core wound being missing her mother, so seemingly having never had a kid to abandon herself. And people are fine with the existence of Tom Avery even though Stefan never had a kid. The easiest, simplest explanation is that nature followed direct lines wherever possible, but since neither Silas nor Amara likely had kids at the start before they turned themselves, it probably worked down siblings'/cousins' lines as necessary, the same way most property inheritance would. As you said, everything we got in S5 wrt doppelgangers is a retcon, to fit in Stefan as a Silas doppelganger. But there's still every indication, since the Travelers were introduced at the same time as the "soulmate" theory, that this reveal was part and parcel of that original retcon. So it's valid to hate it/find it bad (I know there are S5 retcons I dislike while not wanting to discard all of it), but it wasn't about servicing the Travelers (it was mining continued Stelena vs. Delena tension), and I do find it somewhat biased to treat the original retcon as "backstory" and use the loaded description "retcon" only for the part you dislike.
Damon was being realistic in saying that they could never carry on being just friends and ignore the strong and intense feelings they have for each other. And , as much as I love Elena, it was rather naive of her to suggest this. And I don’t really blame Damon for wanting to step away from such a scenario. For too long , he has been there for her, even when she constantly broke his heart and hurt him. And no, Bryce, he is not being pouty or immature. He is in genuine pain and genuinely sick of all the Stef visions and dreams and universe crap that he’s been bombarded with this whole season, not to mention having to endure Enzo commenting nonstop all the time. And again , Bryce , if their relationship were purely physical and nothing else , Elena last episode and Damon this episode, would not have pressed pause , and taken a mature step back for better clarity and a reassessment of their relationship.
“The universe doesn't control anything. It’s not real.” I love the way Elena comforts Damon when she keeps on having the visions. She still loves Damon and the dreams will never change her feelings about him.
Y’all are right. It does look like the same thing that happened to Katherine, happened to Vicki. I wonder where they both went then. Because why were them 2 specifically chosen? I know Katherine is awful with no redeeming qualities as a person morally. But Vicki … other than trying to kill Elena & hitting her own brother with a wrench in a selfish way to come back & also using Jeremy by playing with his heart in season 1 while being with Tyler, she isn’t on the same league as being as awful as Katherine, if they went where y’all thought she went in the episode Katherine gets taken. If y’all are correct, not saying y’all are tho, because no spoilers. But if that it is in fact true, why wouldn’t Kol also be taken then? He’s probably just as bad if not worse than Vicki with all the people he’s likely killed & all the people he was willing to kill because of his fear of Silas. He even tried to stake Rebehka (his own sister) which is equal if not worse than what Vicki did with Matt & the wrench just to stay alive, exactly as he did. Plus there’s Silas over there & others. Why wouldn’t they also be taken? That’s something I never understood.
@@packedentertainment2866 I'm familiar with the spoilery content (for this show as mentioned, but also TO & Legacies). I just think that, while it is largely Doylian "we need Matt/the audience to see someone he cares for lost during this trip, and maybe we have uses for other Other Side characters" contrivance, the in-plot reason for it not being Kol or Silas isn't that they wouldn't be equally deserving, but that they were lucky enough not to be in reach in that moment. If we're looking for Watsonian "why did this happen to Katherine & Vicky at all/first?" I ascribe it with Katherine to her being the first post-Amara & Silas doppelganger (plus her Traveler shenanigans) and with Vicky, Matt's presence being the first time a Bennett-made Gilbert resurrection ring was used post the anchor switch/Traveler breakout made him a target and Vicki got between that and him (though Grams told us at the start of the episode that it had happened to others, as well, so it needn't necessarily be explained). SPOILERS... With regards to who is selected for what afterlives, no, I don't believe certain characters deserve to be categorized where they are... but S8 at large demonstrates that fallibility in the sorting system (Tara) and that people don't have to have actually been really bad people to get "Hell." (Though some critics of Vicki would point out she was a legal adult who had sexual relationships with at least two minors, the younger of them being more egregious, and that her reliance on drugs was arguably treated as sinful in the show; I like Vicki, I don't think she's evil by any means- certainly not compared to the likes of Kol or Silas- but if anyone at all "corrupted" is going to Hell, that sadly does include her)
I was a big Stelena fan back in the day but rewatching this has made me realize that Damon and Elena are perfect for each other. They’re both insufferable characters. No one else should have to deal with them. Elena doesn’t deserve Stefan.
I’ll say it.. I kinda love Matt. He’s unbearable sometimes but overhated He’s just trying to live his life in a world dictated by the supernatural. The first person he thought off when he died was his sister who he lost and then he lost her again
Genuinely, Matt's visit to the Other Side was one of the things I've most been looking forward to in the back half of this season, ever since I remembered it during his visit earlier this season. His scenes with Vicki in this one really are fantastic, and even Kol, too. Poor Matty Blue.
Stefan and Elena finally agreeing to be friends is my favorite part of this episode. It was a really nice moment and I really like them as friends. With this endless Delena drama they could've easily dragged out the love triangle even more but instead they fully put it to rest with this scene. While Delena might have lost my entusiasm from this point in the show, I was never into Stelena as a couple simply because I think Stefan is far more interesting in the company of almost any other character (Caroline, Rebekah and Katherine to name a few) so I wouldn't want him and Elena to date whether she was dating Damon or not.
@@dutchman8887 I think you are a minority, cause everywhere I look - people hate season 7 :D I don’t want to spoil but it looses something very significant and to me - it’s a dealbreaker
This episode was just a way for Julie to ruin Stelena's initial relationship and basically saying to the whole fandom "that's it, you have to ship Delena, now, they are real" well no, I don't. This season is stupid on so many levels, it's not even fun like in season 4 where I could laugh at it, season 5 is just not it. Please get to season 6.
I only watched season 1,2,3 and 6 on my own (I watched the first 3 and then watched 6 because of a certain someone) I’m so glad I skipped season 5 because what is this? It’s so much worse than the rest lol
I dont understand why people think it’s okay to post stuff like this. Zuff is an important part of the channel and if you don’t want to deal with him then no one is forcing you to keep watching the channel. People need to remember that if they don’t have anything nice to say then they shouldn’t say anything at all
Finally!! The End Of Stelena..sorry but these two were dullll, so glad that chapter is closed.. this episode was kinda cruel to Stelena fans..they baited them look how it COULD be, BUT it’s NOT REAL..
Dull? Just because it’s not toxic and one person does not act like a baby it’s dull? :D I don’t mean to attack you personally but Delena is not perfect also.
@ I know Delena is not Perfect,but they also don’t claim to be..there’s no couple in this show that’s not toxic,and not one person in this show that hasn’t acted like a child at one time..but of course them titles are given to Damon and Elena..Stefan and Elena’s relationship was also very toxic,it started with a lie,a guy who had been stalking her for months..they were a fake couple,at least Damon and Elena are Real,with All there Imperfections…
@ Elena got together with Damon because he was always inserting himself between her and Stefan. Like she said “Damon got under my skin” and I don’t think she would ever looked at him if he hadn’t tried so hard.. And I think they are mainly about attraction. But that’s just my opinion.
@ I don’t deny that…I never really like playing the If game but let’s ponder this then, what if Damon had not erased Elena’s memory of meeting him first?,what if Damon was inserting himself between Stefan and Elena to keep Elena safe from the Ripper? That only Damon knew about his brother..Attraction is a big part of a relationship,but I also see Understanding,Forgiveness,Compassion,and Trust in Delena..All the things that go into an honest good relationship..thats my opinion..
Yeah and it’s funny bc Paul Wesley and Nina Dobrev have better off screen chemistry then on screen and I’m glad they are still good besties! Even when seeing recent interviews with the two.
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“Jeremy can you fucking pick up the phone dude??” I love how this channel promptly clocks in for their Bonnie defence shift every reaction 😭😭😭😭
Thank you Bryce for saying that Stefan doesn't love Elena like that anymore. Shits been done since season 4. And for saying Damon has to grow up bc you are right, he's 170 years old and having another one of his meltdowns about Elena and that he can't see her anymore. Bryce was right about him being pathetic and being pouty.
he died at 25 so hes a grown man doing all this over someone he full on went after himself while knowing she was in a relationship with his brother damon is just so immature at times
Girl bye lmao… If he doesn’t want to see his ex anymore, Elena should respect his choice. He literally didn’t have a meltdown and was communicating with Elena that some things were hurting him just like any normal human relationship. They broke up a day ago. I think it’s YOU who is having a meltdown.
paul wesley put his whole stefussy in directing this episode, some of the shots are stunning fr
Fullyyy agreeeeed
His what? 💀
@@packedentertainment2866 You haven't heard Stefussy before?
Granted, I'm not sure they technically used the term properly here 🤷🏼♀️
Very true yes he did 👏
His reaction to that word was so funny I love Paul
31:19 “Hold on it’s not working, I need 30 of my friends to come help me” LMFAOOOOOO
So accurate tho for the travelers 😂😂😂
I appreciate Rob & Bryce calling Damon out on his poutiness & kinda immaturity 😂
"Aren't they british?"
"No."
"Ah, that's so awesome." 😭
@16:53 he said my mom said hi, the traveler doesn't know Tyler's mom is dead he baited her😂
season 6 is such a good season imo and season 4 was good, idk how season 5 ended up the way it did.
Frfr. Season 6 & 3 are my favorite seasons but 4 is a close second. I appreciate season 5 for brining in Enzo even though due to the bad writing … I could care less about him in this season until 6 made him better. I also appreciate this season for introducing 2 of the Parkers siblings because of who it leads to 😏😏😏 even though … again cause of the writing they’re kinda weak in this season but their story/lore gets way more entertaining next season. Although that could be said about anything & everything, almost everything this season does wrong … is done better next season. Season 6 is a flawless season in my opinion & introduces my favorite character in the TVD universe. I’m so excited because they’re getting so much closer to meeting him & I can’t wait to see how they react to his chaos & insanity next season. We’re so close omgggg
Yeah I've been surprised by every episode in this season because I genuinely couldn't remember a single thing from this season. I definitely remember season 6 though haha
season 4 wasn't really good. Some parts were good but it was WAYYY too long and has some of the worst character assanition I've ever seen
Nature (the universe), actively produces each set of doppelgängers, as Tessa implied when she described seeing pairs of them come together century after century. This suggests there are likely more pairs we haven’t seen. For example, Tom Avery, a man in the medical field close in age to Elena and living just a few states away, was likely her Silas counterpart.
Markos' statements confirm the existence of other doppelgänger pairs but clarify that Nature never intended for them to end up together-that was Markos’ doing. Nature’s sole purpose was to restore balance by creating mortal versions of Silas and Amara. As each pair of doppelgängers died or became vampires, Nature replaced them with new pairs, usually within a century or two.
I'm sure you guys saw this episode was directed by Paul Wesley (Stefan) and it was so well done! He had so much to do. It was the 1st episode he directed (total of 5 by the end of the series). He's a great director!!! 👏👏
Ian directs a great episode too in season 6. Stunning shots like this episode directed Paul.
@kimcottingham8043 yup Ian directed 3 episodes and Paul directed 5. Both did great 👍 👌 👏
@@Alicia-u5f8f didn’t realize that many. I will have to look which ones. Cool, thanks!
@@kimcottingham8043 yes. Ian directed 1 in each seasons 6, 7 & 8. Paul directed 1 in 5, 1 in 6, 2 in season 7 & 1 in season 8.
Damon and ekena both need a break for sure Elena can stay single at least for a bit I feel like they really don’t let these characters grow outside of these relationships in general might just be me but it’s getting boring in my opinion
30:23 yes, bryce, join the dark side, lol
I love how Jeremy's all "Trust me Bonnie, i know i messed up with Anna, but trust me"
Then Matt comes back and says he saw Vicki and Jeremy's immediately like "Vicki?? Where?!" 😂
He might not be into Liv, but you can't tell me Jeremy wouldn't say no if Vicki came back
@@SassySoda I could tell you that. I truly don’t believe he’d ever want Vicki again. When her & Anna came back as a ghost, he didn’t even like her anymore because he liked Anna & Bonnie still. But I always thought he loved Anna the most & should’ve ended up with her.
this season pretty much sums up why I never cared for delena in a romantic relationship
it's bc the writers got lazy plot wise and dialogue wise, and literally had to create problems with delena for no reason simply for an "interesting" plot point. this season sucks
RAAAAHHHH STELENA EPISODE 🦅🦅🦅🦅
Bryce is remembering elijah, the owner changed while he was daggered and once he woke up he could no longer be in the house because the current owner hadnt invited him in
Zuff & his hilarious random comments lmao 😂
If Stefan had remained human he still wouldn't have ended up with Elena because he would have died long before she was born. So those visions couldn't be a 'What might've been'.
No. But Tom Avery would’ve ended up with her. The universe would’ve brought them together eventually
Yup- it's also why Elena's parents are alive (and Elena herself is actually). The visions are just a fantasy that Stelena never had a chance at.
And Markos is lucky that Stefan didn't get run over and engulfed in flames while the first vision was preoccupying him. It's a wild scenario that wouldn't have actually happened but really, dude, even with durable vamps, don't get them distracted in the middle of streets.
It’s crazy how mature stelenas talk was and how different it was from Delena’s and I say that as a Delena/damon fan but I understand why he wants his space. Sometimes it’s hard to be friends with your ex especially with the dreams they were having 😭 Elena always likes to mention that shit like girl okay??? Damon is allowed to have his space and not wanna be around her lol.
Thank you!! Why are people saying he had a meltdown when he literally told her he can’t be friends with her because he’s hurt about the breakup, and he has every right to be. So she should respect his choice.
@ EXACTLY! I think it was very mature of him actually. Plus we’re aware Damon doesn’t think he’s good enough.
Getting closer to one of the best if not only great Bonnie arcs to date ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Its perfectly fine for Damon to need his space. He cant get over the girl if he's always with her. Not to mention having to listen about her and stephons daydreams about each other. This season is not the best , but the finale is so good
Well … the Salvatore brothers offered for her to live there because her house got burned down. If Damon really can’t stand being with her then he should just move out & compel someone that rents place to let him sign the deed so he owns a new place outside of the Salvatore house.
@@packedentertainment2866 He's not kicking her out of living there, but she is currently living at school the majority of the time and has no problem returning there at the end of this episode, so there's no reason for Damon to move out of the house to get some space? (also ouch to that poor human renter, isn't it enough that they're probably evading Traveler possession?)
Exactly, he has every right and he was very mature about it.
Not go lie tho Markus or whatever is name is was kinda fine
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Raffi Barsoumian is indeed fantastic, though he doesn't fully get to shine here. I haven't seen SEAL TEAM, which he probably gets to show off his hotness more in, but he was in the final two seasons of Legends of Tomorrow with his (amazing, wonderful) wife Tala Ashe.
“This song was in gears” a man of culture I see
22:32 it was Elijah lol, i’ll answer for Rob 🫶🏽 the dagger was pulled out of him after Elena signed the will and he started gasping for air, and like Bryce said, “tweaking”. Hope this helps c: love the channel and i love y’all c:
Markos is so beautiful
30:28 Damon in his own way is saying they need a break. He can’t to be around her rn be cause it’s too difficult for him. They need some time apart before they can be together again.
I knew Bryce wasn't gonna be vibing with this episode lol
Enzo is funny for no reason 😂
Last (the previous) episode Liv’s acting was iffy & her delivery was certainly off, but I don’t think it was her, I think it was the writing & direction. I promise that her & Luke like many other things in this season, like Enzo as well … are way better next season. Next season is flawless. But I don’t blame y’all for not caring about the Parker siblings or Enzo yet.
Agree 💯
I’m sorry but her acting isn’t the best.
I mean in Damon's defense, he really loves Elena and its hard to see her and be around her if they can't be together, so... I get his POV.
Exactly! Can’t understand some of these comments. Just like normal relationships he was communicating with Elena calmly by saying he can’t see her/ be friends with her because of their break up. If this was happening in real life, the person has to accept their ex’s choice. I don’t understand how some people are saying he is having a meltdown…
Thank you!!! Even though they were done in real life, and their chemistry kinda wavered for a bit, they’re still great actors and they portrayed Delena well here.
Stelena will forever be iconic 🌚
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@Sandy-w5o they lost way too many viewers after their sirebond and delena shit they had to keep egging Stelena fans to not lose even more 😂 I do love how Elena and Stefan are able to be friends and still love each other regardless of how everything went down, Damon could never. He'd rather get revenge on Elena by killing Jeremy than let her be happy.
@@SubKween Well people can have their opinion… Not need to be rude about it :D
I really wish klaus and enzo met 😂😂
Yes. But I feel like Klaus maybe would’ve killed him because of how sassy Enzo can be sometimes which probably wouldn’t go well with Klaus because he’s also sassy & immature when people go against him or question him. But yeah, it would’ve been interesting had it happened
I'd actually love an Enzo and Marcel introduction.
(I'm also now curious about a Kol & Oscar scene- iykyk)
The writing this season is so lazy smh
This why at times I didn't like Damon. He acts like a pity boy when he has a break up with her. I mean when Stefan broke up with her and she picked Damon he told him I am not not happy for you. He acts mature in ways Damon doesn't.
16:59- 17:09 I’m crying 😭😭😭
I have no idea why Jeremy, Matt, and Tyler thought they could take out the travelers by themselves. They should have informed the rest of the group instead of that dumb plan. 💀
I physically can not with zuff
It is understandable that Damon doesn’t wanna be friends with the girl he’s in love with. He had to say that to her so that way he can have some space and heal. It’s too painful for him right now.
Is it? It was the opposite in earlier seasons when she didn’t want him to love her but he kept pushing to be friends & in a relationship too even though she didn’t want that.
@@packedentertainment2866 not at all the same. elena wasn't madly in love with damon. and she DID want to be friends with him.
@@packedentertainment2866 lmao your comments are so funny. They make no sense…
@@jewelaponte he killed her brother. Wym? & it’s exactly the same but on opposite sides.
@@Sjfyy_ y’all Damon fans are crazy.
I love Kol
30:34 ''grow up man'' periodt and it's one of the reasons I don't like Damon
I like Luke. Wish he had gotten a bigger role. Or at least as much screen time Liv did. They are both of equal importance going forward.
Or Luke, even more , I would say
one of the reasons why I don't like Delena is very much explained in this episode, you see the maturity that Stefan and Elena have when they talk and resolve their relationship once and for all and then, right after, Damon (being years older than both of them) shows once again how immature and insecure he is, everything about them this season comes down to fighting and sex with boring scenes that try to convey a sexy air but end up being just cringe, they simply don't work as a couple and the tension between them in the first 3 seasons was too perfect to be ruined like this
Lol. It's easy to be oh-so-mature and reasonable when there are no feelings or emotions involved...especially feelings involving the heart ... romantic feelings of love and passion.
Stefan and Elena are zero invested in each other romantically or emotionally now, so its easy to have calm and clarity and objectiveness.
As if they didn't have a breakup and reunion every second episode in S1..as if they had no drama and heightened emotional responses during their time together.
No Bryce , they are not showing us what Stelena would have been like, if Damon hadnt come between them.
They are telling you, Damon or no Damon , Stelena would never have been for the long run.
Elena was a human. He was a vampire.
He could never be human.
So where is the question of a perfect , gloriously happy human life, complete with kids as in those visions.?
What they are showing you, very pointedly, through these visions, is that Stefan-Elena were always doomed to have only a short shelf-life.
And that the fairy tale depiction of a picture perfect, family as seen in the visions , was nothing but an impossible reality.
"That life was a fantasy.
A Stefan-Elena happy ending was a fantasy.
Just like the visions themselves .
I don't understand those who judge Bella and Edward's relationship from Twilight as toxic but think this relationship is healthy, they are both equal. I'm sorry to Delena's fans but that's the truth it was never healthy in fact it started wrong, so to be clear I love the characters individually, the same thing with Stelena I like them individually, the only thing that changes is that Stelena wasn't toxic.
Stelena Was toxic also, it started out with a lie,and Stefan had already stalked her for months…
@@DellaMcgee-mc4rf In another comment I agree with Zach that Elena didn't have to be with any of the Salvatores. But Stefan was nowhere near as toxic as Daemon, and I like Daemon, Elena and Stefan so they separate. Together they are too boring.
@@wad1760 Stefan was a Ripper…Ripping people’s heads off..that’s Not Toxic?
@@DellaMcgee-mc4rf Sorry, I thought we were talking about the couple Stelena and Delena, and being a ripper didn't come into the subject because Daemon kills people without even blinking, of course he didn't kill as many as Stefan, but he still kills. Dude just accept it, I don't hate Daemon I like him just not with Elena, Stefan the same thing. That's why I prefer the Daemon from season 6 and 7, who is the detached daemon who doesn't hurt his friends because of his girlfriend.
Lmao this is a joke.
I forgot how much I hated season 5 till now
It was all over the place
The break ups were annoying. The villains weren’t compelling. The characters made some dumb choices but that’s like always so I didn’t expect much
Season 6 saved it for me I guess cause I completely forgot about season 5
I never really hated season 5 but rewatching it for the 20th time it’s definitely trash lowkey. The lazy writing with Damon’s non existent development, Katherine just being a waste of space, just basically the whole second half of this season
thought it was just me lol. this season is so forgettable, s6 >>
And Zach is right Elena shouldn't be with one of the Salvatores.
Bryce was thinking of when Elijah started suffocating inside the Salvatore House after the brothers signed it over to Elena and she took the silver stake out of him at the end of the same episode. But yeah, if Markos wanted to trap Damon, using his own magic would be a whole lot better, since signing a deed would just force Damon to run away.
Also, there are more Travelers than the ones who burned themselves in that parking lot to overwhelm Bonnie. They're a fairly large group (like, not thousands, but more than a dozen, certainly). They just have waves of attack, and as annoying and overwhelming as they seemed in scenes where a bunch of them were working with Wes or taking doppelganger blood, they could have packed even more people in there but didn't need to- as we saw with Mia, or ancient pre-Travelers Qetsiyah and Silas, they do have stronger hitters, and Markos is one of them (which was why it was worth it to them to sacrifice several to bring him back).
15:30 😂😂
I hate the doppelganger retcon when we already got the backstory earlier in the season. Especially when the retcon is to service these lame ass travellers
It's not a retcon though? Even when Stelena were having dreams like this earlier in the season, they were directly implanted by Qetsiyah, a witch from the same origins as the Travelers. Qetsiyah talked about having seen doppelgangers fall in love repeatedly, but that doesn't mean it had to be a natural state- it is consistent with Markos' explanation of the spell he did. And Silas, the villain at the time, said that he liked to imagine the universe trying to replicate his love for Amara (and Katherine also endorsed it in hopes it meant Stefan was destined for her), so not exactly reliable sources.
Finally, this is pretty clearly in the same vein as the S1 reveal Katherine wasn't in the tomb, or the S2 reveal about the Sun and Moon Curse, or the S3 sireline reveal, or the S4 "there's only one cure" reveal- it's a piece of mythology introduced earlier on in the season that affects characters' understanding of something they've just been introduced to (Stefan being a Silas doppelganger) only to later be upended by realizations about the real origins of the thing. You don't have to like it, but the entire season has been leading to the Travelers arc and the soulmate stuff of Stelena was just another part of that "lame ass" setup.
@@SLift-mn8hiTechnically, expanding upon allure with new information is considered a retcon in some scenarios, as it retroactively expands the contuinity. But like you said, his expansion doesn't break continuity just expand it without creating contradictions.
@SLift-mn8hi everything about the doppelganger lore in s5 including Silas and Amara absolutely is a retcon, for more reasons that one.
For one, Qetsiyah is a traveler. She’s been on the other side for 2000 years obsessed with Silas & Amara and doppelgängers. Yet, when she returns it’s like she has no clue about the spell that is drawing the doppelgängers together. She said it’s the “universe”, and suggests that the universe created the doppelgängers as versions of Silas & Amara that could die, but the doppelgängers meeting and falling in love is somehow just fate. There are only 2 explanations for this: either Qetsiyah just decided to keep the traveler spell to herself for no reason at all, or somehow, after 2000 years of obsession, Qetsiyah had no idea that her own people cast the spell to draw the doppelgängers to each other.
Then you have the flaw with the spell in itself. Despite the travelers casting a spell 1000 years before Katherine’s birth, somehow the only doppelgängers they manage to draw together are Katherine & Stefan and Elena & Stefan. There are fan theories which suggest Tatia’s first husband and Katherine’s baby daddy were doppelgängers, but it’s never once even slightly hinted by the characters in the show who would know what those 2 men looked like. So in 1500 years of the spell, the Travelers only managed to draw 1.5 pairs of doppelgängers to each other?
Finally it doesn’t explain Stefan and Elena’s first meeting (nor does it explain Katherine & Stefan’s which is why they retconned it in s5 along with all the other doppelgängerlore), because if Stefan had never met Katherine, Stefan & Elena wouldn’t have even crossed paths for longer than the time it took him to save her life. Or was Elena’s parents dying Traveler interference too?
This is not even counting the fact that somehow Silas & Amara’s doppelgängers came to be despite them never reproducing yet the doppelgängers can only exist if the dippelgangers continue to reproduce since they all share a bloodline. By definition it f the word everything we learn about the doppelgängers in s5 is a retcon. Retcons don’t always have to be bad, this one is.
@hali_55 Well actually the show's Laura established that it doesn't have to be direct descendant to produce a doppelganger. Just someone of the same bloodline.
Also, It's later been revealed that Silas is the one that knew the spell to undo the other side, and gave it to The Travelers. Because, as the show describes him, he's a walking encyclopedia of magic. And well yes, he contacts you into doing a lot of things for him by manipulating her, he likely gotten all the knowledge out of her that same way too.
Also , convoluted as it may be, the show did give a reason for what Travelers took so long. Other witches were at actively sabotaging their efforts, plus a traveler has kept them from gathering together for places for too long. Add that to the stretching out of the traveler diaspora, even if the spells would draw the doppelgang is together, there's no guarantee That Travelers would actively find them, let alone have time to enact their plans. Especially since the show makes it explicitly clear that the witches we're actively impeding them. Like how they couldn't find Tom until the witch that was cloaking him was killed.
There are other similar explanations for the other things you mentioned. So yes, the entire travel storyline is a retcon, but it doesn't break continuity. It's just a series of never-ending contrivances.
That being said, The possibility that Steph and Elena only loved each other because of a spell commit that never sit well with me, even though I never liked them together. It's just as unnecessarily forced as a sirebond drama. Especially since the show runners, later confirmed, that yes, they were in fact in love on their own.
@@hali_55 The explanation is number 2- Qetsiyah was obsessed with the doppelgangers and watching them, missing what the Travelers, bitter that her spell cost them everything, were up to and they weren't inclined to tell her; she bemoans earlier this season that the Travellers are keeping Amara cloaked and hidden and she can't break through.
The flaw with the spell itself- As Qetsiyah said, she saw other doppelgangers fall in love, so the spell didn't only work on Katherine and later. The spell would have worked more efficiently back before the Travelers spread more and more out (as lucariomew said), keeping in mind Katherine's father was a Traveler and the curse on them, and the doppelganger lines, or at least Amara/Katherine's had to go into hiding. Nadia's father definitely didn't look like Stefan. If Tatia's did, it actually makes complete sense no one would have known (she came to the pre-Mystic Falls village ca. 1000 after being widowed, the Mikaelson sibs could have easily never met her husband, and Tatia never got a chance in-show to describe his appearance).
As to how Stefan and Elena end up meeting... whether the Travelers spell or "fate" causes it, if it's because they're doppelganger soulmates (the backstory from earlier in the season you were complaining was retconned) then it all boils down to the same thing. Why is it more tenable to you if it's mystical fate rather than mystical spell that would have 2000 years to affect events unfolding? Regardless, Isobel, Elena's bio mom, descendant of Katherine and Tatia, grew up miles from the same town where Tatia died, and then ended up pregnant with a Gilbert from that town, and the Salvatore connections come in there. You can boil it down to them all being drawn to Mystic Falls if you'd like- chances are that the Salvatores (as long as they were living as vampires with free prerogative to go where they wished) would have ended up visiting Mystic Falls during Elena's life while she looked like Katherine (and not just because Damon was going to be there for the Tomb opening). Elena's parents dying was just a fluke, not a crucial part of Stefan & Elena ever meeting (though obviously fundamental to how they do in the show).
The idea of direct descendance from Katherine is mentioned by Damon back in S1 during the trip to Bree's Bar. (Never mind the ludicrousness of scripting where Stefan says "you weren't a Pierce, you're a Gilbert" to Elena later on in that same episode- because over a century later a female descendant is going to have the same name... never mind that Katherine hadn't reproduced since the late 15th century). But we're never given firm evidence Isobel found a direct link from Katherine, and direct descendance was already effectively retconned when Nadia showed up this season as a vampire with her core wound being missing her mother, so seemingly having never had a kid to abandon herself. And people are fine with the existence of Tom Avery even though Stefan never had a kid. The easiest, simplest explanation is that nature followed direct lines wherever possible, but since neither Silas nor Amara likely had kids at the start before they turned themselves, it probably worked down siblings'/cousins' lines as necessary, the same way most property inheritance would.
As you said, everything we got in S5 wrt doppelgangers is a retcon, to fit in Stefan as a Silas doppelganger. But there's still every indication, since the Travelers were introduced at the same time as the "soulmate" theory, that this reveal was part and parcel of that original retcon. So it's valid to hate it/find it bad (I know there are S5 retcons I dislike while not wanting to discard all of it), but it wasn't about servicing the Travelers (it was mining continued Stelena vs. Delena tension), and I do find it somewhat biased to treat the original retcon as "backstory" and use the loaded description "retcon" only for the part you dislike.
Damon was being realistic in saying that they could never carry on being just friends and ignore the strong and intense feelings they have for each other.
And , as much as I love Elena, it was rather naive of her to suggest this. And I don’t really blame Damon for wanting to step away from such a scenario. For too long , he has been there for her, even when she constantly broke his heart and hurt him.
And no, Bryce, he is not being pouty or immature. He is in genuine pain and genuinely sick of all the Stef visions and dreams and universe crap that he’s been bombarded with this whole season, not to mention having to endure Enzo commenting nonstop all the time.
And again , Bryce , if their relationship were purely physical and nothing else , Elena last episode and Damon this episode, would not have pressed pause , and taken a mature step back for better clarity and a reassessment of their relationship.
Thank you! The only logical comment here. They were saying some of the most crazy bs I’ve seen.
“The universe doesn't control anything. It’s not real.” I love the way Elena comforts Damon when she keeps on having the visions. She still loves Damon and the dreams will never change her feelings about him.
Lmao not everyone wants to see or be friends with their exes… Can’t understand why y’all can’t see Damon’s pov.
Y’all are right. It does look like the same thing that happened to Katherine, happened to Vicki. I wonder where they both went then. Because why were them 2 specifically chosen? I know Katherine is awful with no redeeming qualities as a person morally. But Vicki … other than trying to kill Elena & hitting her own brother with a wrench in a selfish way to come back & also using Jeremy by playing with his heart in season 1 while being with Tyler, she isn’t on the same league as being as awful as Katherine, if they went where y’all thought she went in the episode Katherine gets taken. If y’all are correct, not saying y’all are tho, because no spoilers. But if that it is in fact true, why wouldn’t Kol also be taken then? He’s probably just as bad if not worse than Vicki with all the people he’s likely killed & all the people he was willing to kill because of his fear of Silas. He even tried to stake Rebehka (his own sister) which is equal if not worse than what Vicki did with Matt & the wrench just to stay alive, exactly as he did. Plus there’s Silas over there & others. Why wouldn’t they also be taken? That’s something I never understood.
Kol wasn't swept away when Vicki was because he wasn't out in the open to be swept up during that onslaught. It's a matter of luck and warning.
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I’m actually referring to season 8. Both of them got taken in an interesting & similar way, which is explained in 8.
@@packedentertainment2866 I'm familiar with the spoilery content (for this show as mentioned, but also TO & Legacies).
I just think that, while it is largely Doylian "we need Matt/the audience to see someone he cares for lost during this trip, and maybe we have uses for other Other Side characters" contrivance, the in-plot reason for it not being Kol or Silas isn't that they wouldn't be equally deserving, but that they were lucky enough not to be in reach in that moment. If we're looking for Watsonian "why did this happen to Katherine & Vicky at all/first?" I ascribe it with Katherine to her being the first post-Amara & Silas doppelganger (plus her Traveler shenanigans) and with Vicky, Matt's presence being the first time a Bennett-made Gilbert resurrection ring was used post the anchor switch/Traveler breakout made him a target and Vicki got between that and him (though Grams told us at the start of the episode that it had happened to others, as well, so it needn't necessarily be explained).
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With regards to who is selected for what afterlives, no, I don't believe certain characters deserve to be categorized where they are... but S8 at large demonstrates that fallibility in the sorting system (Tara) and that people don't have to have actually been really bad people to get "Hell." (Though some critics of Vicki would point out she was a legal adult who had sexual relationships with at least two minors, the younger of them being more egregious, and that her reliance on drugs was arguably treated as sinful in the show; I like Vicki, I don't think she's evil by any means- certainly not compared to the likes of Kol or Silas- but if anyone at all "corrupted" is going to Hell, that sadly does include her)
And Selena's movie?
Hello!
I was a big Stelena fan back in the day but rewatching this has made me realize that Damon and Elena are perfect for each other. They’re both insufferable characters. No one else should have to deal with them. Elena doesn’t deserve Stefan.
Guys you have to react to one tree hill, drawson creek and the oc pleasee 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
If only this is how it actually went. Damon is awful for Elena & always has been
Yeah this is where the season starts to go downhill
I’ll say it.. I kinda love Matt. He’s unbearable sometimes but overhated
He’s just trying to live his life in a world dictated by the supernatural.
The first person he thought off when he died was his sister who he lost and then he lost her again
Genuinely, Matt's visit to the Other Side was one of the things I've most been looking forward to in the back half of this season, ever since I remembered it during his visit earlier this season. His scenes with Vicki in this one really are fantastic, and even Kol, too. Poor Matty Blue.
zuff when elena is friendly with stefan 😡🫨😬😟😰
zuff when jeremy blatantly cheated on bonnie 🫣🤭🤗🤫 28:34
literally ☠️
Stefan and Elena finally agreeing to be friends is my favorite part of this episode. It was a really nice moment and I really like them as friends. With this endless Delena drama they could've easily dragged out the love triangle even more but instead they fully put it to rest with this scene. While Delena might have lost my entusiasm from this point in the show, I was never into Stelena as a couple simply because I think Stefan is far more interesting in the company of almost any other character (Caroline, Rebekah and Katherine to name a few) so I wouldn't want him and Elena to date whether she was dating Damon or not.
you’ve just got to get through the end of this season and the writing gets better I promise
literally me begging them to just hold on for season 6 aka one of the best seasons
But then in season 7 it gets so bad again… :D
@@Gitana-d7f no s7 is really good. way better than s5. more consistently good than s6 also.
@@dutchman8887 I think you are a minority, cause everywhere I look - people hate season 7 :D I don’t want to spoil but it looses something very significant and to me - it’s a dealbreaker
To this day I still don't get why Damon and Elena are together
This episode was just a way for Julie to ruin Stelena's initial relationship and basically saying to the whole fandom "that's it, you have to ship Delena, now, they are real" well no, I don't. This season is stupid on so many levels, it's not even fun like in season 4 where I could laugh at it, season 5 is just not it. Please get to season 6.
I only watched season 1,2,3 and 6 on my own (I watched the first 3 and then watched 6 because of a certain someone) I’m so glad I skipped season 5 because what is this? It’s so much worse than the rest lol
I always keep this to myself but my god is Zuff insufferable, like stfu already for once
I feel that way about Rob and Bryce…hummmm I wonder why?
@@DellaMcgee-mc4rfbecause they call out damon and hold him accountable, wbk
I dont understand why people think it’s okay to post stuff like this. Zuff is an important part of the channel and if you don’t want to deal with him then no one is forcing you to keep watching the channel. People need to remember that if they don’t have anything nice to say then they shouldn’t say anything at all
@ I Agree
@ she’s not obligated to like him lol, and that’s okay. she could’ve been nicer but it’s not that deep
Finally!! The End Of Stelena..sorry but these two were dullll, so glad that chapter is closed.. this episode was kinda cruel to Stelena fans..they baited them look how it COULD be, BUT it’s NOT REAL..
Dull? Just because it’s not toxic and one person does not act like a baby it’s dull? :D I don’t mean to attack you personally but Delena is not perfect also.
@ I know Delena is not Perfect,but they also don’t claim to be..there’s no couple in this show that’s not toxic,and not one person in this show that hasn’t acted like a child at one time..but of course them titles are given to Damon and Elena..Stefan and Elena’s relationship was also very toxic,it started with a lie,a guy who had been stalking her for months..they were a fake couple,at least Damon and Elena are Real,with All there Imperfections…
@ Elena got together with Damon because he was always inserting himself between her and Stefan. Like she said “Damon got under my skin” and I don’t think she would ever looked at him if he hadn’t tried so hard.. And I think they are mainly about attraction. But that’s just my opinion.
@ I don’t deny that…I never really like playing the If game but let’s ponder this then, what if Damon had not erased Elena’s memory of meeting him first?,what if Damon was inserting himself between Stefan and Elena to keep Elena safe from the Ripper? That only Damon knew about his brother..Attraction is a big part of a relationship,but I also see Understanding,Forgiveness,Compassion,and Trust in Delena..All the things that go into an honest good relationship..thats my opinion..
Yeah and it’s funny bc Paul Wesley and Nina Dobrev have better off screen chemistry then on screen and I’m glad they are still good besties! Even when seeing recent interviews with the two.
Damon is the Best thing for Elena..