But lockers are so much harder on your rig components IE ring gears, Axel shaft's..... You lock up a sgock dayna 30 your going to sheer off all your gears and now up your u joints unless you know exactly what you're doing
I don't think this a fair test at all....The open diff locker vehicle has got All Terrain tyres and the ARB Airlocker Vehicle has got bigger Mud Tyres. If the tyres were the same? I reckon they would be both getting up that hill with ease. Mud tyres make such a big difference....
MrGee13133 It's an open diff front and rear. Only 2 tires have power between all 4 VS A vehicle that can lock both diffs and have 4 wheels of equal power. Notice how the locker equipped vehicle still couldn't make it with only the rear locked. If that jeep can't do it with the rear locked on mud tires, how would a jeep with open diffs front and rear make it on mud tires? It's significantly worse performing.
not important 6 or 4 cl, importanti are tyres , mud tyres make a big difference ,,,,, trai same action with tractor design or powerguard mud track from Marschall or good rich
Lockers are nice, I have two, but... when you are wheeling in clay/sticky mud you need to keep the tires tread cleaned out. You need to find a gear that generates wheel speed quickly without causing too much vehicle speed. If you generate too much vehicle speed you end up bouncing around and losing traction, which the open diff jeep did. The idea is to keep the mud slinging from what ever tires are spinning, be it 1 or all 4 without going so fast you loose your traction or line. Im sure most off you know this. Im just sick of people thinking lockers are the key to everything offroad when smart driving is the real key. I would have wheeled that peg leg, open diff jeep up that hill without a issue.....
i'll believe it when i see it, the only way up that with opens was speed which you can choose to or not to do. it wasnt a lack of clearing mud, but that drop on the drivers side was big enough the rear drivers tyre was off the ground. doesn't matter what tyre you have and how clear it is, if its off the ground your power is going to that one. whereas at least with speed you can get enough momentum that even with your open wheeler in the hole you have the momentum to travel over it untill your tyre contacts again
Moto Milk how? The jeep with mud tires couldn't make it up with the rear locked in (3wd) so how could a front and rear open diff jeep (2wd) make it up with the same tires?
KMT15 Snorkels are not actually meant for water. Their primary purpose is to take in cleaner and less dusty air than there would be if the air was being pulled in at a location closer to the road. It is especially helpful when driving in convey on dirt roads where the vehicles in front throw up a lot of dust.
Ty for the video, nice to see an example of dif's in action. My question is if the situation is that slick, why not just lock front and rear? I keep hearing ppl say to just lock rear 90% of the time. (New to this stuff, buying a 2021 Rubicon soon)
Both diffs locked makes it hard to steer and puts alot more strain on the system. In a straight line like this I would have locked both only if needed.
matt t Other broken parts? Out on a remote trail, where you don’t have the luxury to fix something. Excessive wheel spin can break u-joints, snap axels or damage transmission and transfer case internals. Safety as well. Maintaining speed and control that avoid a rollover, miles away from prompt recovery. Faster speeds can also make the vehicle bounce around and lose significant traction.
We're these also performed by 2 different handicapped drivers? I could put a lift kit on a geo metro (fwd 1.0 3 cyl open transaxle), get a decent running start and pass pothole of these with left foot braking
Makes a huge difference, does the open diff Jeep have automatic brake differential system or some type of electronic traction control system to help the open diffs move power around to wheels with traction?
@@volodymyrprosov6134 Brake Lock Differential 2 years later. Essentially, Brake Lock Differential is the part of Jeep's brake traction control system that controls wheel speed side to side across a driven axle.
My question to you is if I can't get lockers yet for my wk grand cherokee. What am I to do in a situation like this. It was snow for me going up a hill. I am going to get km tires. Could I use the E break? Or turn off traction control and esp would that help?
Depends if you have ifs if you get a wheel off the ground and come down on it hard while spinning there goes your CV. But if you know how to wheel and pick the right line lockers wont cause a problem.
Ol' red appeared bare bones stock practically; + Snorkle & tires. It didn't even look like it had a sway bar disconnect, proper shocks/springs. (?).............. Sucks to be him.
Depends on the model wrangler. The tj here doesn't have the limited slip breaking the jk does, nor the dayna 44 front or 410 gears. This has a lot more going into it then just lockers. If your voting a wrangler sport there's a ton more into it then just lockers, otherwise you add elocks to your sport and without the right know how your stripping you're ring and pinion bald in 5 min then in for 6k in repairs to the same setup
If the vehicle is in 4wd, all four will spin if they all have traction, but once you lose traction or lift a wheel, only one tire on that particular axel will be spinning.
On a 2wd its technically just 1 wheel spinning on 4wd is technically 2 wheels ( 1 front, one back). It's actually a safety feature for snow/ice/rain. Road driving. But if you get traction on all wheels then you get all 4 spinning even with an open diff. If you drove with locked diff everywhere every day, a daily driver, you'll probably end up crashing, especially at higher speeds when taking curves on the highway. Locked diffs are not meant as daily drivers
Bottom line: There is no substitute for off-road driving technique. Sure lockers are a big help but only in the hands of the skilled driver, while they can creater big problems to those unskilled
@@sector783 If not disengaged when hitting hard ground or negotiating turns they cause severe transmission windup which can destroy transmission line components. Also in certain cases they may cause tires to dig further down and immobilize the vehicle.
Only thing not fair about this comparison is one has a locker the other doesn't. Oh and one is the best jeep ever built and the other is a fiat mini van. Lol! Jk! I love them all but definitely prefer a TJ.
The tires don't do anything if they are equally coated in mud. I'd love to see the red jeep stop half up on the hill and then drive out with any tire set up money could buy it! It won't do it with a shitty open diff.
Dylan the red one was stock well obviously it's gonna be shitty all it had was a snorkel and what type of engine it had and how much HP and it also had all terrains if you ever drove a jeep with all terrains in mud then you will get stuck if you had Mud tires it would be different so no open diffs are not shitty
Ur right kill the fkn music, them bush guards/ stingers make them wranglers lQQk mean though, but seriously kill the fkn music, I can’t associate disco 💃 to off-road. There’s a reason disco lasted only 15 minutes lol.
Only problem is in order to prove the effectiveness of the locker these jeepa need to be identical except for the locker. Same jeep, same lift, same tires, same driver.
Calling BS @0:39 . The fanboy has a snorkel kit so it 1 hundo could have done did that hill. LOL, JK. Shoulda put the money into mod that matters most. Locker is tier one in kit.
ALL Jeep WRANGLERS should come with lockers.
Yes sir! Lockers all day everyday under those conditions.
chaining up is a lot less expensive for those occasional rough spots. if you do this daily, a locker is a good idea.
lmao, chains wouldn't have helped you here. if anything it just would have dug deeper pits for the next person.
The song is a bit irritating
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Fucking horrible,that would be torture, to be forced to listen to
Fuk yeah it is!
Lockers help you so much and you don't have to be as hard on your rig to get over things.
But lockers are so much harder on your rig components IE ring gears, Axel shaft's..... You lock up a sgock dayna 30 your going to sheer off all your gears and now up your u joints unless you know exactly what you're doing
@@MrJoshcc600 true, but if you ever really were gonna do some serious off roading, you wouldnt have put lockers in a dana 30 to begin with
Nice
Thanks for sharing
Lockers make a big difference
So the moral of the story is vehicles with lockers are better for the environment versus Vehicles without
odd take, but yes if you are wanting minimal ground damage.
I think the moral of the story is black Jeeps are better than red Jeeps?
Just go faster.... That's all...
I need to do my axels, might as well get some lockers to go with them while I'm down there. Do the job once and be done with it!
Damn those things make a huge difference
Left foot braking technique works well with open duffs as well.
fastfordman1965
Damn Skippy 👍
sounds like youre power braking in the mud
wow who would have thought that four-wheel drive is better than two wheel drive. I'm glad you showed me the difference.
? They make jeeps wranglers 4x2?
Not sure you know what lockers are......
Do you even know what a diff locker is?
Most Jeeps ARE 2wd.......they got that crappy LSD 4x4, it's a fake 4wd system.
The red Jeep is technically 2 wheel drive
I don't think this a fair test at all....The open diff locker vehicle has got All Terrain tyres and the ARB Airlocker Vehicle has got bigger Mud Tyres. If the tyres were the same? I reckon they would be both getting up that hill with ease. Mud tyres make such a big difference....
Also 6 cylnd vs 4cylnd
MrGee13133 It's an open diff front and rear. Only 2 tires have power between all 4 VS A vehicle that can lock both diffs and have 4 wheels of equal power. Notice how the locker equipped vehicle still couldn't make it with only the rear locked. If that jeep can't do it with the rear locked on mud tires, how would a jeep with open diffs front and rear make it on mud tires? It's significantly worse performing.
Right now !! tyres made differce, any one get on
Don't know the brand but you can pause at 0:40 and it has MT not AT on the spare tire.
not important 6 or 4 cl, importanti are tyres , mud tyres make a big difference ,,,,, trai same action with tractor design or powerguard mud track from Marschall or good rich
If you use your E-brake with the open diffs you will engage necessary wheels...works every time
with BLD/LSD only?
Unless you drive a Landcruiser like me. Then your handbrake does nothing at all
This Detroit locker really works. I just had my put in on my front differential, “ WHAT A DIFFERENCE “,
Too many cons with a cheap lunchbox locker.
Lockers are nice, I have two, but... when you are wheeling in clay/sticky mud you need to keep the tires tread cleaned out. You need to find a gear that generates wheel speed quickly without causing too much vehicle speed. If you generate too much vehicle speed you end up bouncing around and losing traction, which the open diff jeep did. The idea is to keep the mud slinging from what ever tires are spinning, be it 1 or all 4 without going so fast you loose your traction or line.
Im sure most off you know this. Im just sick of people thinking lockers are the key to everything offroad when smart driving is the real key. I would have wheeled that peg leg, open diff jeep up that hill without a issue.....
i'll believe it when i see it, the only way up that with opens was speed which you can choose to or not to do. it wasnt a lack of clearing mud, but that drop on the drivers side was big enough the rear drivers tyre was off the ground. doesn't matter what tyre you have and how clear it is, if its off the ground your power is going to that one. whereas at least with speed you can get enough momentum that even with your open wheeler in the hole you have the momentum to travel over it untill your tyre contacts again
bdd1469 That jeep had no chance. It could hardly even make it to the spot where it got steep. Let alone even begin to climb it.
Kenny Rodger because it had All terrains if it had mud tires then yeah it would make it up that hill with no problem
Moto Milk how? The jeep with mud tires couldn't make it up with the rear locked in (3wd) so how could a front and rear open diff jeep (2wd) make it up with the same tires?
Throw v bar chains on even bald tires chew with chains on watch zip ties and bias plies from here in Alberta canada on u tube
Why would you have a snorkel with no lockers? You have no business going in water that deep with out front and rear lockers.
KMT15 Snorkels are not actually meant for water. Their primary purpose is to take in cleaner and less dusty air than there would be if the air was being pulled in at a location closer to the road. It is especially helpful when driving in convey on dirt roads where the vehicles in front throw up a lot of dust.
"Snorkels are not actually meant for water" nonsense
snorkels look cool
TheNicknack43 he was joking bruh
no he wasn't. he was being the typical jeep elitist douche bag.
Subbed I guess u will buy a Jeep with from and rear lockers for sure
Ty for the video, nice to see an example of dif's in action. My question is if the situation is that slick, why not just lock front and rear? I keep hearing ppl say to just lock rear 90% of the time.
(New to this stuff, buying a 2021 Rubicon soon)
Both diffs locked makes it hard to steer and puts alot more strain on the system. In a straight line like this I would have locked both only if needed.
You never want to ride with both diffs locked if you can. Less wear and tear on the entire system and will save you tires an be much easier on turns.
The red jeep just needed a bigger snorkel. Couldn’t get any air down in that ditch.
How are the ARB lockers? Reliable?
before bu ying dif locks, those 2 guys need to google what " momentum " is
Are you serious? Fuck the whole car up by going a fraction quicker
Momentum is your number one friend
Why if you can do it without. It's like kipping a pullup
matt t
Other broken parts? Out on a remote trail, where you don’t have the luxury to fix something. Excessive wheel spin can break u-joints, snap axels or damage transmission and transfer case internals.
Safety as well. Maintaining speed and control that avoid a rollover, miles away from prompt recovery. Faster speeds can also make the vehicle bounce around and lose significant traction.
Dude that’s why I was like umm let’s go a lil bit faster yeah? Lolol
Is locking hard on the hardware?
I have lockers on my Jeep JK running 37s but nothing is fun like open diffs and mud.
31: the guy got smacked in the face by mud
Im sure the extra inch of diff height would have made a difference also.
We're these also performed by 2 different handicapped drivers? I could put a lift kit on a geo metro (fwd 1.0 3 cyl open transaxle), get a decent running start and pass pothole of these with left foot braking
+j Sure you would. Very proud of you.
i agree done worse with less effort in a manual suzuki sidekick with bold tires all depends on who is behind the wheel
Yes you can
John Smithson yeah the difference between tires the one with open diff had all terrains the other had mud tires
Wouls a clutched type locker work there too? I guess so if you keep wheels spinning a little right?
We have done a recent video of arb vs maxi vs traction control.
No doubt that lockers are better, the real question is, who had more fun?
True
The guy that made it up the hill. That is quite a feeling
The one who didn't go around
Stupid question! 🙄
How about actually using the ebrake with the open diffs. Its easy to just slam on a gas pedal....
Makes a huge difference, does the open diff Jeep have automatic brake differential system or some type of electronic traction control system to help the open diffs move power around to wheels with traction?
2012 and newer have auto breaking diff with the computers
@@MrJoshcc600 as in it brakes right axle to push force open diff to power left axle vise versa yeah?
Very good
Love my arb air lockers on my TJ
would be great to see how the standard jk would go just with the BLD. thanks for posting!
We might make a test / comparison BLD vs. Lockers. I always was a fan of BLD, would be interesting to see.
eug what is bld?
@@volodymyrprosov6134 Brake Lock Differential 2 years later. Essentially, Brake Lock Differential is the part of Jeep's brake traction control system that controls wheel speed side to side across a driven axle.
Awesome sauce Euro boys
awesome
Nice snorkel.
Its cause hes hitting the hitch which slows him down before the dip in the hill
it is the air compressor that did the trick
My question to you is if I can't get lockers yet for my wk grand cherokee. What am I to do in a situation like this. It was snow for me going up a hill. I am going to get km tires. Could I use the E break? Or turn off traction control and esp would that help?
Momentum
i see this jk around perth quite often
Trust me diff locks save money
Depends if you have ifs if you get a wheel off the ground and come down on it hard while spinning there goes your CV. But if you know how to wheel and pick the right line lockers wont cause a problem.
Ol' red appeared bare bones stock practically; + Snorkle & tires. It didn't even look like it had a sway bar disconnect, proper shocks/springs. (?).............. Sucks to be him.
Do you really need the rear locker instead of just front and center, with just a limited slip diff on the back?
Yes
Depends on the model wrangler. The tj here doesn't have the limited slip breaking the jk does, nor the dayna 44 front or 410 gears. This has a lot more going into it then just lockers. If your voting a wrangler sport there's a ton more into it then just lockers, otherwise you add elocks to your sport and without the right know how your stripping you're ring and pinion bald in 5 min then in for 6k in repairs to the same setup
@@MrJoshcc600 Better answer than expected
Does open differential mean its only one tire spinning?
If the vehicle is in 4wd, all four will spin if they all have traction, but once you lose traction or lift a wheel, only one tire on that particular axel will be spinning.
On a 2wd its technically just 1 wheel spinning on 4wd is technically 2 wheels ( 1 front, one back). It's actually a safety feature for snow/ice/rain. Road driving. But if you get traction on all wheels then you get all 4 spinning even with an open diff. If you drove with locked diff everywhere every day, a daily driver, you'll probably end up crashing, especially at higher speeds when taking curves on the highway. Locked diffs are not meant as daily drivers
Isn’t the dyna trac reared option a limited slip differential?
Had to turn the sound off
Stock triton would get to the top in 2wd. First lesson, buy decent fourby, second lesson, learn to drive your Mitsy hard n have fun doing so
Or you really need to pull e-brake
And release rapidly while trying forward
Progress..with open differential…😜👍
0:31 lmao I feel bad for that guy.
Same tires?
Is that technically an "open differential" if Jeeps in 4H and 4L with no lockers activated automatically use the Break Lock Differential System?
Yes
One has alot more ground clearance than the other.
Lol neither of them have the ground clearance for that main rut. Second one barely had enough
Bottom line: There is no substitute for off-road driving technique. Sure lockers are a big help but only in the hands of the skilled driver, while they can creater big problems to those unskilled
Just curious, how can lockers hurt someone who is not skilled?
@@sector783 If not disengaged when hitting hard ground or negotiating turns they cause severe transmission windup which can destroy transmission line components. Also in certain cases they may cause tires to dig further down and immobilize the vehicle.
@@78a67h 👌 gotcha. Thank you for that.
A lock in the front axle is the only thing i‘m missing on my Ford Ranger
What exhaust is on the black JK?
why would you buy a jeep that didn't have lockers?
Please please please! Do something with that broken record you call music.
Not a great comparison. Jk vs Tj... not really fair
Only thing not fair about this comparison is one has a locker the other doesn't. Oh and one is the best jeep ever built and the other is a fiat mini van. Lol!
Jk! I love them all but definitely prefer a TJ.
Jeeps have limited slip differentials not open differentials. Huge difference between the two.
Lord Humungus false the Jeep TJ did not come with an lsd.
Huge difference. However, all jeeps don’t come with LSD.
I have open diff and I can make it up that hill and plus I have mud tires
Floor it until you break something!!!!
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In that slop doesn't matter much.
The tires don't do anything if they are equally coated in mud. I'd love to see the red jeep stop half up on the hill and then drive out with any tire set up money could buy it! It won't do it with a shitty open diff.
Dylan the red one was stock well obviously it's gonna be shitty all it had was a snorkel and what type of engine it had and how much HP and it also had all terrains if you ever drove a jeep with all terrains in mud then you will get stuck if you had Mud tires it would be different so no open diffs are not shitty
Beats me why anyone serious into off roading would not not have front and rear locking diffs. I mean it's just common sense.
Lol why not just use one vehicle and engage / disengage the locker?
What rear tire carrier is on the black jeep?
Givin er eh just about every one
Lockers are for people that do not know how to offroad or have a winch.
Ur right kill the fkn music, them bush guards/ stingers make them wranglers lQQk mean though, but seriously kill the fkn music, I can’t associate disco 💃 to off-road. There’s a reason disco lasted only 15 minutes lol.
that's not even disco
Only problem is in order to prove the effectiveness of the locker these jeepa need to be identical except for the locker. Same jeep, same lift, same tires, same driver.
No, the first Jeep was NEVER going to make it up there.....it's obvious.
4Full time dead.
Calling BS @0:39 . The fanboy has a snorkel kit so it 1 hundo could have done did that hill. LOL, JK. Shoulda put the money into mod that matters most. Locker is tier one in kit.
Hmmm let’s see I sell differential lockers so I want to show a scenario where you need to have one in each axle so I get more of your money duh!!😄😄😄😄
you guys dont know how to use throttle
Open diffs will get you to the mall. That's about it.
how can you drive on mud with that bull shit tyres ..... use mud tyres selfclean .....
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Piss off
Why does everyone put stupid ass music over everything!?! I'm done!
2 Guy are bad Driver ...
Landcruisers, hilux and patrols are laughing
Fkn music so fkn annoying
My dodge stratus was better at muddin than those two Jeeps
Hah not
Roger that 👍
JK bias much?
lol what a joke