Here are the time codes for this interview critique: Bagua master's explanation of what he thinks Kung Fu is 0:00; 1:23 Bagua masters explain forms applied and how they can easily lose the practicality; 2:19 Fight Commentary Breakdowns segue; 2:54 Too deadly for sport? 4:24 Fight Commentary Breakdowns analysis of the Bagua master's words; 5:47 Force Multiplier used in real fight example and analysis; 7:55 Bagua master's honest thoughts on other masters 8:33 Fight Commentary Breakdowns thoughts on kung fu If you like my translations and want to learn Chinese, please go to my learn Chinese channel: ua-cam.com/channels/_E_R34VQo47FfnwF3ABlDQ.html
Fight Commentary Breakdowns listen want to learn how to fight I’ll teach you the real way go into old style war with blades and clubs get into fights on the streets everyday with no rules no martial arts needed you’ll be the best and that’s honestly what it comes down to you’ll form too many habits from sports fighting which is bad for a real fight all these styles are the same just depends on a person and how they train it
Zhao Da Yuan is a true Chinese gem of a teacher! He was and still a straight-shooter and tells it like it is. He used to be a police captain and the main unarmed combatives trainer for Beijing's police force. I trained with him around 2011 in Beijing. He's the real deal and his training is no joke. I'm not talking like silly kung-fu movie style training, I'm talking 6 hours a day in a poorly ventilated matted room. It's application, it's sparring, it's throwing people and taking them down. It really does not feel like Kung-fu because it's not diluted with forms and cultural dance.
I don’t want to say a lot of Kung fu is useless, but I am willing to say it is on a respirator. If it’s being taught by masters who have never sparred and the practitioners never spar, it can’t survive much longer.
I'll say it for you, traditional kung-fu is quite useless as combat. The truth is, it never was useful outside its own context, but its popularity and mystique was fueled through movies and entertainment, so that people (especially Westerners) began to think it held magical properties. Sorry, but kung-fu was never this. I will tell you what kung-fu is useful for: getting into shape, preserving ideas of tranquility and meditation, etc...
gxtmfa; Many of us boomers fell for the Bruce Lee effect. The movies pushed it so we came to this point. The fighters I knew growing up did boxing or judo. They enjoyed anything with sparring. The rest of us who couldn’t and can’t still fight for shit did wing chun and other exotica to allow us to overcome the aggressive types. Although it makes sense now that to fight you need to train to fight you have to remember back in the day we were told I was possible with the right system to overcome aggressive people. There was no internet there was only mystery and myths. Which I believed and regret now. Kung fu was for the the little guy. But there was a lot of fake made up stuff taking advantage of us kids. People who’ve invested a long time in Kung fu and k ow they can’t fight have resorted to Re marketing it for health and making friends. Funny how there were real hard core schools like Bak Mei and Southern mantis but they were too tough and brutal for average person who was besotted by Kwai Chang Kane and his mystical moves. Useless. Oh well it was quite the ride being taken for a ride
I practiced Sanda for some time and then i started doing shaolin kung fu. I 100% agree with you. I believe that if you try to adapt the moves of a form to real combat it can work. One of my favourite takedowns i took it from a form and i have thrown opponents off the sanda platform many times using it.
Every sport must now its limitations then, which makes sense. I like translations so much. They give us a look into something we wouldn't be able to find and understand by ourselves.
I first started tkd and got my bb when I was 18-ish. I began to do different styles of Kungfu (shaolin/hard styles) then I began to do Chen Taiji and yin Bagua for years. I was lucky to train under a couple of masters who thought similar to this, showing actual usage and having us drill it then try in live sparring. For the past year I've been training at an mma gym, doing bjj and muay Thai. I'm really glad that I learned that traditional stuff, because a lot of the Taiji&Bagua "principles" I can apply when rolling in bjj. I'm even more glad I'm training in bjj and muay Thai because now I understand what is useful to me and what is not and it gives me an opportunity to "pressure test". There is so many similarities in these martial arts, but like stated - Chinese martial arts are stagnant and dead. Too much ego, not wanted to test your skill and lose. Awesome video! Awesome comments from you guys. Awesome channel!
Kung Fu needs to be constantly practised and more importantly, the applications put into practice too, during training. I read that when the 16th century general Yu Dayou 俞大猷 (reputed for defeating Wokou pirates which would have included in their number skilled Japanese swordsmen) visited Shaolin temple, he found their pole fighting techniques not to be practical enough for actual warfare and combat and hence trained them. The temple had previously enjoyed long periods of peace and the practicality of their pole fighting had diminished over the ages.
He had some really amazing insights. My father and uncles grew up in the 50s and 60s, and they all know a bit of kung fu growing up, and got into street fights on a weekly basis - stories of my dad waking up covered in blood in the gutters, and my uncle's knife wounds. They all say similar things as this master. Kung Fu works on the street if applied for 'killing', and it doesn't work well in a controlled regulated arena. They do admit also that today almost no traditional kung fu practitioner can use it they way they have seen, and that a boxer of a few years can beat almost any of them.
Excellent video bro. I practiced Kung Fu for many years, and I sparred full contact with protective gear for 18 years. Yes, it’s one dimensional, but we practiced eye attacks and despite getting destroyed in sparring against mma fighters, boxers, kickboxers, wrestlers, and bjj guys (I did well against other stylists who practiced the same Kung Fu as myself), but when I had to defend myself on the street, battlefield in Iraq, and in county jail, my Kung Fu Bil Jee eye attack never failed me. ✊Kung Fu needs a 21st Century update.
Great vid. Nice hearing his take on things. That principle of testing something thoroughly in the crucible of combat/life is necessary if we wanna live to see another day.
My judo teacher does a similar thing to what your jiu jitsu professor says. If i do something illegal (such as pulling the head down while in a triangle choke) he explains that you can't do it in judo sport, but in jiu jitsu, on the streets it's fine. Most people would just say 'no, don't do that'
That Ba Gua guy looks really familiar. If it's who I think this is, he taught Chin Na at a police academy at least for a time and I attended a Ba Gua workshop by him in San Francisco some 10 years ago. Great vid, thanks!
The American special forces guy used a classic tiger claw to the face that came straight out of the WW2 H2H combat methods of W.E. Fairbairn. These were originally taught to both the British & American special forces units. There are only about 20 or so techniques but ALL of them are designed to get the biggest bang for the buck. A relative of the Tiger claw is the chin jab (not to be confused with the boxing technique). It can easily knock a man out or even break his neck if a solid strike is landed. All of these techniques were designed to be easy to learn so that minimal time would be spent in training & still give the soldier a solid chance to defend themselves & kill the enemy.
I practice traditional kung fu and boxinvg at the same time. I have seem some really good kung fu practioners who can really fight. At least they can fight me. The traditional kung fu is just lack of some professional developments.
Ikr I chuckled at the part about the Muay Thai fighter with a "ponytail" Guess he watched Kickboxer. Whens the last time you seen an actual Thai with a ponytail? lol...
Nice video. Thanks for making a stand on traditional kung fu and the functionality of it. It has worked for me and saved my life between combining wing chun with Aikido. I am also on a quest to show the practicality of the styles.
Kung fu does need to be brought to the 21st Century. Kung fu needs to be taken to its roots that involved life or death battles. That is all kung fu needs!
I dont care how many frauds out there are exposed . I know kung Fu is where all this stuff comes from and all the UFC cult stuff got its roots from Chinese Kung FU . There is real stuff out there and real deadly individuals but many frauds . The real stuff is not easy to find
He shits on Kung Fu too..or making it sensible..especially WingChun forms, he knows his shit and is obviously brutal. I'd still want to see him spar with averagers with combat sports tho, but I'm sure he'd overcome
Bas Rutten talked about this on the Joe Rogan podcast. His point is that thinking "dirty techniques" will save you is not valid since the other guy has all the same dirty techniques at his disposal as well. I keep a bo staff or a short staff in my car at all times, I think they are excellent self-defense weapons.
like, if someone catches you with your window open, punches you in the face, you gonna try and poke em in face with the bo staff? I don't think so. you need a more compact weapon.
I like this dude, Jerry Liu for his diverse interests as evident from the variety of subjects from his channels; from videos on Martial Arts and MMA to videos about wooing beautiful chicks. That's what I call having a full appreciation for the wonderful things life has to offer.
Great video! I practice Tai Chi Chuan and had to change schools when I started asking the "master" about the applications... he would then go to the grandmaster and come back with half a dozen moves that were simplistic in the least. Then I talked witha Chen professor and after a couple of classes it was easy to see what was missing. The martial aspect in martial art!
Thanks again brothers appreciate the videos. Kung-fu always was and is great. We just need to have some sparing tournaments again. Get back in fighting shape.
Glad you uploaded this. Although I am not a martial artist myself, it has been a fascination of mine for decades now. I have had this argument with mma-bjj fanboys so many time I can't count. I've always argued that in a ring, there are always rules, no matter how few the rules are. In a real life survival situation, it isn't always a good idea to take it to the ground; you could be outnumbered for instance, meaning, although you can destroy the one guy you take down, but his buddy is just going to smash a chair over your head while you lay there. Eye pokes, throat punches, groin kicks, etc. that is a real integral part of traditional martial arts, or it used to be. The point wasn't "fight to win", it was "fight to kill or maim". Granted, mma folks who are well versed in both ground fighting and striking, are well prepared to survive real fights as well. They already have a great deal of physical conditioning, and high tolerances to abuse/pain. If they were also trained to to the point of reflex (years), to go for the kill, they would transcend the athlete-martial artist, and become real warriors. Just look at the training military forces are given, in contrast to police forces. One is taught to kill, the other to subdue (supposedly). I've seen footage of special forces guys sparring with mma guys, and the mma guys admitted that in real life, they would have been dead within seconds. I know I may get hate for this, but that's one reason I think the debate of how would Bruce Lee do in mma is moot. He would never do it. The man made movies for money and creativity. He studied martial arts because he understood what it was for, and wanted to improve it. Looking at Wing Chun, and JKD, there is a lot of focus on striking all the areas that are forbidden to hit in any competition (eyes, groin, throat, etc.) The whole Wing Chun concept of a small fighter being able to win against a larger attacker is dependent on this. If I gouge out your eyes before you can hit me, it doesn't matter how much bigger or stronger you are than me. Sorry,I rambled. Anyway, keep up the good work. I always watch your videos, even though I don't always like seeing TMA fail over and over again, I appreciate your objectivity, and continued search for instances of it doing well. No matter how few those instances are.
Most kung-fu forms are outdated and were meant to be used in an era where people mainly fought in weapons. No amount of sparring practice is gonna make a joke "martial arts" such as Taiji or Aikido useful (except maybe as a minor compliment, but not as a base). Some forms of kung-fu such as sanda are very good though and in the same league as Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, etc.
I think I know why Kung fu stopped sparring and it’s probably because they didn’t create a sport form. If you look at the history of Jiujitsu, you find that it was originally used for warfare. Judo was invented to remove the more deadly aspects of jiujitsu so that people could train it without killing each other. Then they could pressure test and preserve it because its students wouldn’t die. I imagine Chinese martial arts came to the same crossroads and chose to only show forms to avoid this problem.
I really respect your reviews, I agree with most of your opinions. I am a tai shing pek kwar student I see these matches with the kung fu vs other styles and the biggest mistake is that the kung fu practitioners do not spare or rarely do. I believe kung fu can be useful if you train in it like a MMA practitioner or a boxer sparring almost every class
Agree 100%. I think kata and forms are a building block and should be learnt in early grades to teach coordination and stringing techniques together along with foundational techniques, punching kicking. The advanced stages should purely focus on practical application and refinement and little tricks. Having done MA for 24 years I see the value in these great techniques. What I don't see is guys, be they "masters" or students being able to translate what they've learned into real combat. That doesn't mean these techniques don't work, just that people don't know how to do them in a real situation. And absolutely UFC/competition is not a true test of application because you have rules, gloves etc. Like it or not that changes what can and can't be effective and it DOES NOT reflect reality as much as a fancy kata doesn't. Great vid. Keep em coming.
Oh man, that special forces fight gives me the shivers. I first saw that a year or two ago and haven't wanted to see it again. But damn, that's the quickest end to a fight I've seen.
Good vid. I'm a Kung Fu Sifu and I totally agree! Kung Fu is great however it's been misrepresented by fake "masters" and movies for too long. We need to take lessons from modern fighters and take ALL the bullshit out of it!
I love the fact that people are revisiting traditional arts like kung fu and karate and showing that they can be quite effective when rightly understood and applied.
I learn Shaolin-Do Kung Fu under the instruction of my Shifu, and she instructs us on the application of the moves and even sets aside some of the days per month for Sparring so that we can learn to use what we learn in both tournament and non-tournament fights.
Frankly, all traditional moves work very effectively. One just need to know the actual application of those moves and train it in sparring until one can apply it effectively. It's similar to a person who trai to do a neck choke but never done it in live environment. How can you say the choke is not effective? It's the training that is not effective not the technique.
"Practice makes the integration and enhancement of one's physical and non-physical aspects, including the forms, qi, will, and mind. Consequently, it will be of one's use when one is in a combat." said Master Li Cunyi . Xingyi Quanjing (the book of Xingyiquan): "When you're practicing, practice like there's an opponent. When you're fighting, fight like there's no opponent before you." "The maneuvers have no form and the will has no thought. The real will exists only when the thought is absent." "Those who seem to attack do not attack, while those who seem to not attack do attack." Well, don't these things sound contradictory? Are they tongue-twisters? One can experience and understand these mysteries of covert and transformed strength of internal martial arts only when she or he obtains the comprehensive inheritance of internal practices of forms, qi, and will. Once you experience and understand them, you'll see these are much more than martial arts. In fact, these are of Dao, that follows Nature's tranquility and non-interference. The biggest has nothing out of it. The smallest has nothing inside it. It is something that encompasses everything, and only those who have a pure and sincere mind can obtain it. That is to say, the most advanced martial arts are the practices of Dao. They are highly centered, purely righteous, totally upright, extremely strong but also extremely tender. People who all the time work on how to combat have lost the real use of martial arts. When they are threatened they stare at the person angrily and some of them feel the loss of strength in their arms and legs; consequently they fight without a rule. Why? That's because they have no way to pull down and maintain their qi in Dantian. If you don't know the yin and yang of qi and the operation of qi, and you have no idea how to employ the forms to regulate your qi, also you don't understand how to practice internally and use your will instead of your strength, then how can you integrate every part in your body to conform to the ways of the heavens and earth according to Dao? The reason why some people intend to abandon what has been passed down and, instead, invent new forms and new rules is that they've never learned the authentic things. Some did find a teacher who can teach them the correct way but they discontinued before they learn the quintessence. The complete inheritence of Xingyi, Bagua and Taiji now can only be found on few people. Why? The answer lies in the gradual loss of the ways of internal excercises from generation to generation. People who know little about the internal will definitely do the external practices wrongly. The losing of the authentic inheritence resulted in the incomplete forms of external practices. To some extent, the right ways of internal practices and the correct external forms are barely known. Nowadays some learners of internal martial arts want to rediscover the practicing ways of internal practices and the rules from the books written by the past elders. However, what they can find are superficial and will not really fill the regretful gap. If people can't learn from those of the authentic inheritence, their lifelong pursuit without true understanding will be just in vain. Wholeheartedly, I appreciate my teacher Li Mengxiong (李孟雄) and his father for handing down the authentic and complete teachings. Thanks to them and the heavens, the daoist Xingyiquan (形意拳) and Baguazhang (八卦掌) are not lost in this world.
That was some nice commentary from the old man. I think when MMA becomes more popular in china we might see chinese boxing arts get put through the mma filter and we may see things similar to how we've been seeing karate and TKD be used in mma.
I think elbow lock actually try to snap break the elbow on the first bending, see how the master use his hip rotation power when bending the opponent arm. Do it fast and the elbow snap.
kung fu requires complete body unity, a relaxed power, a looseness, a rifined way of movement that we do not see being developed in mma or other sports, there is a certain balance in authentic kung fu, a balance of mind, body & spirit that is not found in ego based sports.It is a complete system of life enhancement & combatives.
He's right, BUT here's the problem. As soon as you start to seriously pressure test kung fu with realistic sparring, it almost immediately ceases to look like kung fu. It becomes kickboxing with wrestling. So the argument that "kung fu works, but we need to make it combat-based" is actually a bit of a contradiction, in practice.
He's absolutely correct. I see it myself. On how the levels have changed. They took the " war" out of Martial arts. They are not utilizing it's fullest potential. I been taught the old way.
reminds me of capoeira regional originated by master BIMBA was pure practical fighting(street fight and mma) and after is dead capoeira became more and more mainstream and was more diven to the dance music fisical fitness and acrobatic component, now in mma is coming back some realy efective capoeiristas .
This is why I think it is important to distinguish between martial sports and martial arts/ self defense. Practical combat is quite different from sport fighting. The street is not the ring. It has no rules. I think king fu , along with other "pretty" martial arts get labeled as impractical by many because of people who spend all their time perfecting katas rather than the actual application of techniques on an opponent. Like the master in the video said: if you're simply doing a Kata in the air, it's kinda hard to se exactly what is being done to the hypothetical opponent and how those movements work together.
I trained in traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu and it was complete crap. I lost faith in traditional martial arts, but I actually got faith back when I looked into Chinese kung fu. In my experience, it was presented as not a self defense system but a traditional martial art with elements of self defense. So I just found it fun and interesting. I didn't take it all serious, but some times you are just looking for something fun and interesting.
Im a 3rd generation chinese indonesian, learning muaythai from a thai guy. What i think is happening now with the "ineffectiveness" of kung fu is like getting muay boran to fight MMA. Kungfu has for some reason lost its applications in real combat probably in centuries, whats left is theory, demonstrations and memories. Unfortunate but many Chinese so called masters simply refuse to accept that fact.
kung fu has never been tested in an actual combat for hundreds of years. but in the year 2016 it was tested and it failed so hard. that's like learning how to drive/pilot a plane online but the real thing is just so different. you have so many factors you need to consider.
That master views on kung fu are really important thanks for translating and sharing, for me I used to practice sanda for some years and nearly every time there was a sparring to test the techniques taught so when I've got stuck in the street I've fought instinctively using sanda, then I've gone to wing tsun school and taken courses privately!! without sparring just learning very good techniques and body mechanics etc...., it didn't serve when needed, after 9 years of leaving the sanda and jkd practical training I still can fight instinctively due to sparring, in simple words real fighting needs some learning and a lot of sparring and friendly challenges with other styles to adapt the techniques learned against different ways of fighting, I've even heard rumors of some masters in China take their disciples to the streets to fight against thugs to test their skill off course real masters not fraudsters fake ones ..............sorry for the big comment just sharing experience
1. The cultural Revolution 2. Face saving for the teacher 3. Sticking to forms and not doing any sparring 4. Not testing and adapting against bigger stronger people and arts 5. The danger of hurting people and getting arrested. 6. Bad teaching The Peru fight is a very typical move in CMA. Go for the eyes, the neck etc. This is the real violent fighting aspect.
The story about that pony tail is pretty much what my judo coach warned me about. As long as there is something to grab... you're pretty much free to do whatever you want. Of course there are rules, but having extra excecories like chains n shit just gives your opponent some fucking advantage
I firmly believe there will be a resurgence of traditional kung fu technique in the mixed martial arts world. Internal martial arts have a method that would totally change the meta if people applied it.
There's a Bas Rutten video wherein he talks about some student who says she could use an eye poke to disable him. To which Bas replies by saying that an eye poke would really hurt and make him so mad that he'd really hurt whoever did that. That really intimidated the girl. Apparently though the eye poke is a useful defensive move. I think anything can be made to work when equals are fighting equals, as is the case here.
I started Jeet Kune Do which is part of Wing chun agree with him on techniques like the eye poke not training for the street is why some styles look bad
Some traditional martial arts are more likely to spar than others. This is especially true in Kung Fu, but in most styles of Kung Fu it is easy to find schools who haven't been sparring. Most of Doc Fai Wong's students in the early 80's we're doing heavy contact sparring, but that had been mostly lost by the 2000's.
There is Kung Fu (hard work or perFECT) and Wu Shu (Chinese Martial Art) It's relatively interesting seeing the general use of the word Kung Fu and not much mention of Wu Shu. The overall mentality with any Martial Art seems to focus solely on being responsive, as in "what to do if guy does a-b-c" and not doing what Sun Tzu wrote in his book Art of War to solve small problems before they become big problems. Which, more or less, amounts to the "Art of fighting, without fighting".
True combat-ready kung fu is one of the most devastating martial toolkits in existence, however with so few masters left who can teach it, it's sad to think it might become extinct. Breathing, rhythm, reading the opponent, conditioning, how to take a hit, how to generate power, explosive speed, stamina, learning how to not telegraph, these are all fundamentals any combat-ready art must teach. Having studied and trained in several arts from childhood, most friends who ask me which traditional art is the best, I will say it depends on the teacher, but my number one recommendation to anyone who wants to be able to apply their knowledge in a real fight is to train in boxing. Boxing plus almost any art will put you light years ahead of most traditionalists. Then of course BJJ is the next rung on the ladder.
He reminds me of my old headmaster. The stories and the criticisms of martial arts are all the same. Dude had 2 hernias and could still fuck you up, no joke.
Do not take the word of what is popular. See the beauty in what you are doing. Not all things are applicable in fighting but are a way of improving movement, mobility, strength and transition between balance points. Not all start from the same body type and mentality. Why do they attack you? What is the situation you have to defend your self in? How many are your attackers? Be like water flow. Do you know how did say that first (is it the same how did make it popular)?
How to pick a good teacher might be a good video. Here’s my method. First thing you do is go to the class and ask if they spar. If they say yes then you ask when and try to show up to watch. Don’t participate the first time and just watch. If they don’t spar then don’t come back to the class. If their sparring is just push hands only then leave and don’t come back. If their sparring includes kicks, punches , destructions, deflections and trapping then you found a class that might be useful in real combat training. Next you watch how the teacher interacts with the students and see if he talks about how the form is applied after teaching the form. Sometimes this is done in a different class as many people only want to learn heath aspects these days. So ask he teacher if he has a martial based class or can give you private lessons where you learn them. It starts with you throwing punches at the teacher , it’s called receiving hands. Then kicks are added . Then he does the same back. Eventually within a few sessions you should be sparing with him where neither of you is only receiving and your both throwing kicks and punches. Then eventually after a few more sessions you try to apply a move from the form list while the kicks and punches are happening. This should all happen after a few sessions and if not then ask him to spar if he says your not ready then leave and don’t come back. No one is ever ready for sparring only sparring can make you ready for sparring. My teacher essentially teaches qigong and Taichi in the first part of the class and then for those that want to learn martial aspect he teaches that in the last hour and a half of the class for example. The class stretches up to three and half hours sometimes. I sometimes get damaged from the training. It’s a side effect of learning real combat that you have to accept which many people can’t. He shows us how the form is only a list it’s nothing but a way to remember each of the moves. Only the tip of the iceberg. Real application takes daily practice to apply them first a few times at a slow pace and then actually try to apply them in sparring situation. You need willing friends to work with this daily. It’s next to impossible but slowly after many hours of sparring some signs of progress come out. For example on move suddenly comes to mind. But you can’t use it. After many more hours of sparring finally that move comes out at the right moment but executed poorly, but maybe enough just to give you a glimpse of how to improve next time. If you are not training this three days a week or more in a somewhat heavy sparring situation then it’s likely you’ll never make Taichi martial aspects practical in a real fight. Also Just going to class isn’t enough either you will need to take private lessons to really get enough time in to build up the muscle memory and body mechanic knowledge or find other students willing to practice with you out of class. The process is as such. One you learn the form so you can memorise the moves and increase your focus. Then you start doing receiving hands and receiving kicks. This is punches and kicks one way and then the other. In parallel you learn push hands not push hands only first.. Then a few sessions later you spar. But you always start receiving hands, receiving kicks, sparing and the. You try to apply a move while in sparing. At first the teacher might give you a limb or pause to wait to see if your actually going to get him. to try to show you where it might come in. But then you have to find it yourself and at speed. Eventually you start to feel where push hands Melds with this punching and kicking , when you get In to close and then you can apply a move In trapping range. There are a few people who are exceptions but for the 98 percent of us that’s the reality. Out of 100 teachers maybe one or two have real martial aspect lineages maybe less. But using the above method you can vet them quite quickly. If you don’t have minimum three days a week to spend at least one full hour each time on sparring with willing candidates plus more to learn basic form and application then you might as well pick up something more practical like MMA, BJJ or JKD. Having said that if you have time and can find a good teacher then your knowledge of body mechanics and general combat will improve substantially. I’ve trained all of the above and Taichi is the deepest and most profound of them all for many reasons but the downside is to extremely hard to find a good martial teacher and when you do you will need to put in more time than most people have to make it functional.
Your so right! Love this channel and your truth.. Combat kung fu must always demonstrate effectiveness in maiming and or killing the opponent. Kung Fu San Soo and KunLun Kung Fu does exactly that. Every step a kick every kick a step every touch breaks bones. Dancing doesn't do shit
Here are the time codes for this interview critique:
Bagua master's explanation of what he thinks Kung Fu is 0:00;
1:23 Bagua masters explain forms applied and how they can easily lose the practicality;
2:19 Fight Commentary Breakdowns segue;
2:54 Too deadly for sport?
4:24 Fight Commentary Breakdowns analysis of the Bagua master's words;
5:47 Force Multiplier used in real fight example and analysis;
7:55 Bagua master's honest thoughts on other masters
8:33 Fight Commentary Breakdowns thoughts on kung fu
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Poke Poke Okay but I am not gonna have that gun everywhere
Kung fu is BUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLSSSSSHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
OnePunch Man well unlike you,Kung fu serves a purpose in this world
What purpose? Oh right that this shit works in combat dont make me laught and fyi i have purpose in this world thats why i exist you dumb fuck
Fight Commentary Breakdowns listen want to learn how to fight I’ll teach you the real way go into old style war with blades and clubs get into fights on the streets everyday with no rules
no martial arts needed you’ll be the best and that’s honestly what it comes down to you’ll form too many habits from sports fighting which is bad for a real fight all these styles are the same just depends on a person and how they train it
Pressure testing is a absolute must in any system you train in.
Wing Chun Bing Fa Kung Fu Academy In any skill set you practice. (Swimming, cooking, painting) it's all (hypothesis) untill it's applied.
Thank you. Fixed
Zhao Da Yuan is a true Chinese gem of a teacher!
He was and still a straight-shooter and tells it like it is.
He used to be a police captain and the main unarmed combatives trainer for Beijing's police force.
I trained with him around 2011 in Beijing. He's the real deal and his training is no joke. I'm not talking like silly kung-fu movie style training, I'm talking 6 hours a day in a poorly ventilated matted room. It's application, it's sparring, it's throwing people and taking them down. It really does not feel like Kung-fu because it's not diluted with forms and cultural dance.
Cheung Geng Lok what system of baguazhang does he teach?
I was able to study with him briefly as well. His primary Ba Gua teacher was Li Zi Ming, he was one of his disciples.
Depth Julz Liang Zhenpu style.
Was he Ma Xuanshu student.
Of course. Makes sense. He was a damn police captain.
I don’t want to say a lot of Kung fu is useless, but I am willing to say it is on a respirator. If it’s being taught by masters who have never sparred and the practitioners never spar, it can’t survive much longer.
I'll say it for you, traditional kung-fu is quite useless as combat. The truth is, it never was useful outside its own context, but its popularity and mystique was fueled through movies and entertainment, so that people (especially Westerners) began to think it held magical properties. Sorry, but kung-fu was never this.
I will tell you what kung-fu is useful for: getting into shape, preserving ideas of tranquility and meditation, etc...
gxtmfa; Many of us boomers fell for the Bruce Lee effect. The movies pushed it so we came to this point. The fighters I knew growing up did boxing or judo. They enjoyed anything with sparring. The rest of us who couldn’t and can’t still fight for shit did wing chun and other exotica to allow us to overcome the aggressive types. Although it makes sense now that to fight you need to train to fight you have to remember back in the day we were told I was possible with the right system to overcome aggressive people. There was no internet there was only mystery and myths. Which I believed and regret now. Kung fu was for the the little guy. But there was a lot of fake made up stuff taking advantage of us kids. People who’ve invested a long time in Kung fu and k ow they can’t fight have resorted to Re marketing it for health and making friends. Funny how there were real hard core schools like Bak Mei and Southern mantis but they were too tough and brutal for average person who was besotted by Kwai Chang Kane and his mystical moves. Useless. Oh well it was quite the ride being taken for a ride
gxtmfa Bruce said this 40 years ago
Pascal 0 jkd is incredibly aggressive
Outside of its own context? And what context might this be?
Make Kung Fu Great Again 🇨🇳
we need to vote Donald Trump as the president of the International Wushu Federation
Kaandarus Jackson only President Trump can do that.
fuck u & trump
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I did the ponytail pull on one guy in my club. The next time I saw him, he had cut his hair.
Remember early UFC and MMA? Karate guys wore their gi and the Judo guys and the greco roman guys kept throwing them haha
I think the Muay Thai guy was wearing a Monkol (Traditional Headband) Maybe that's why he was upset
I practiced Sanda for some time and then i started doing shaolin kung fu. I 100% agree with you. I believe that if you try to adapt the moves of a form to real combat it can work. One of my favourite takedowns i took it from a form and i have thrown opponents off the sanda platform many times using it.
Every sport must now its limitations then, which makes sense.
I like translations so much. They give us a look into something we wouldn't be able to find and understand by ourselves.
A really good insight right there. This should be the way not only for TMA but for all other things.
Yep!!
Bruce lee realized this many decades ago.
Thank you for translating him, he really sounds like a wise man
This is what I love about your channel!! thanks for these translations!!!
I first started tkd and got my bb when I was 18-ish. I began to do different styles of Kungfu (shaolin/hard styles) then I began to do Chen Taiji and yin Bagua for years. I was lucky to train under a couple of masters who thought similar to this, showing actual usage and having us drill it then try in live sparring. For the past year I've been training at an mma gym, doing bjj and muay Thai. I'm really glad that I learned that traditional stuff, because a lot of the Taiji&Bagua "principles" I can apply when rolling in bjj. I'm even more glad I'm training in bjj and muay Thai because now I understand what is useful to me and what is not and it gives me an opportunity to "pressure test". There is so many similarities in these martial arts, but like stated - Chinese martial arts are stagnant and dead. Too much ego, not wanted to test your skill and lose. Awesome video! Awesome comments from you guys. Awesome channel!
Kung Fu needs to be constantly practised and more importantly, the applications put into practice too, during training.
I read that when the 16th century general Yu Dayou 俞大猷 (reputed for defeating Wokou pirates which would have included in their number skilled Japanese swordsmen) visited Shaolin temple, he found their pole fighting techniques not to be practical enough for actual warfare and combat and hence trained them. The temple had previously enjoyed long periods of peace and the practicality of their pole fighting had diminished over the ages.
Yep. Most of Shaolin techniques are overrated. Most people associate Shaolin with Jet Li’s Shaolin Temple. That’s a movie. Not real 🤓😜
He had some really amazing insights. My father and uncles grew up in the 50s and 60s, and they all know a bit of kung fu growing up, and got into street fights on a weekly basis - stories of my dad waking up covered in blood in the gutters, and my uncle's knife wounds. They all say similar things as this master. Kung Fu works on the street if applied for 'killing', and it doesn't work well in a controlled regulated arena. They do admit also that today almost no traditional kung fu practitioner can use it they way they have seen, and that a boxer of a few years can beat almost any of them.
why can't i find my own homeless chinese kung fu legend who is willing to teach me :(
Lmao the old man in the park from Shenmue II
Old hermit from Kung-Fu hustle :D
I have been practicing taichi for 5 years and when my master didn't pressure test me I found a Sanda and MMA guy to get some experience in combat.
How did it go?
I really liked the example with the special forces. Great way to illustrate an important point.
Yep ;)
Single poke
Cool, I really appreciate all the chinese clips, things I could never find nor understand myself. Also, I want more panda fights!
Oh it :)
I do Bagua and everything that was said was true! Love the video
Excellent video bro. I practiced Kung Fu for many years, and I sparred full contact with protective gear for 18 years. Yes, it’s one dimensional, but we practiced eye attacks and despite getting destroyed in sparring against mma fighters, boxers, kickboxers, wrestlers, and bjj guys (I did well against other stylists who practiced the same Kung Fu as myself), but when I had to defend myself on the street, battlefield in Iraq, and in county jail, my Kung Fu Bil Jee eye attack never failed me. ✊Kung Fu needs a 21st Century update.
update?? human have still 2 arms and 2 legs
Bruce Lee said "always remember the finger JAB, Very important"
he was doing 80lbs reps with his fingers!!!!
Master Ken said, Always Restomp the Groin. He also said, Kung Fu is bullshit.
Great vid. Nice hearing his take on things.
That principle of testing something thoroughly in the crucible of combat/life is necessary if we wanna live to see another day.
Great video once again! Onward to 100k subs, great work mate!
Thanks!
@Fight Commentary Breakdowns
This was EXCELLENT!!! ...Both the Bagua master and the special forces guy. More like this please.
Superb interview. Well done bro.
My judo teacher does a similar thing to what your jiu jitsu professor says. If i do something illegal (such as pulling the head down while in a triangle choke) he explains that you can't do it in judo sport, but in jiu jitsu, on the streets it's fine. Most people would just say 'no, don't do that'
I like you translating this. More please.
Frikandel Kroket I agree
I enjoy how you are interpreting this kungful master
Love this interview.... So right on!
It is the same with most of the traditional martial arts. Plus , this was a really good work by you bro.
Thank you for the translation and the focus
That Ba Gua guy looks really familiar. If it's who I think this is, he taught Chin Na at a police academy at least for a time and I attended a Ba Gua workshop by him in San Francisco some 10 years ago. Great vid, thanks!
The American special forces guy used a classic tiger claw to the face that came straight out of the WW2 H2H combat methods of W.E. Fairbairn. These were originally taught to both the British & American special forces units. There are only about 20 or so techniques but ALL of them are designed to get the biggest bang for the buck.
A relative of the Tiger claw is the chin jab (not to be confused with the boxing technique). It can easily knock a man out or even break his neck if a solid strike is landed. All of these techniques were designed to be easy to learn so that minimal time would be spent in training & still give the soldier a solid chance to defend themselves & kill the enemy.
Thanks for the information! I will look up W.E. Fairbairn!
I practice traditional kung fu and boxinvg at the same time. I have seem some really good kung fu practioners who can really fight. At least they can fight me. The traditional kung fu is just lack of some professional developments.
I practiced Wing Chun for many years & can say for a fact that it works in real combat. Short, straight & effective techniques.
Which battlfield and which war?
Yup
It does not work, WC is a joke
This guy is more of the same. He demonstrates the lock as pulled from the form... but that lock STILL won't work like that with his hands.
Ikr I chuckled at the part about the Muay Thai fighter with a "ponytail" Guess he watched Kickboxer. Whens the last time you seen an actual Thai with a ponytail? lol...
Applications are everything. I am so eternally greatful for my Chen instructor teaching me this.
Nice video. Thanks for making a stand on traditional kung fu and the functionality of it. It has worked for me and saved my life between combining wing chun with Aikido. I am also on a quest to show the practicality of the styles.
Kung fu does need to be brought to the 21st Century. Kung fu needs to be taken to its roots that involved life or death battles.
That is all kung fu needs!
And eventually get in prison
I dont care how many frauds out there are exposed . I know kung Fu is where all this stuff comes from and all the UFC cult stuff got its roots from Chinese Kung FU . There is real stuff out there and real deadly individuals but many frauds . The real stuff is not easy to find
What this kung fu master is saying is the truth....
make more videos studying master Wong ,from what l've seen that guy is the real deal ,his techniques look very applicable and solid
He shits on Kung Fu too..or making it sensible..especially WingChun forms, he knows his shit and is obviously brutal. I'd still want to see him spar with averagers with combat sports tho, but I'm sure he'd overcome
Bas Rutten talked about this on the Joe Rogan podcast. His point is that thinking "dirty techniques" will save you is not valid since the other guy has all the same dirty techniques at his disposal as well.
I keep a bo staff or a short staff in my car at all times, I think they are excellent self-defense weapons.
Those weapons are illegal better off carrying a register handgun...
how about just pepper spray and run. Much more compact than a bo staff. But if I were to carry non chemical weapon nor a gun, I'd choose nunchuks.
like, if someone catches you with your window open, punches you in the face, you gonna try and poke em in face with the bo staff? I don't think so. you need a more compact weapon.
Tim Proc a staff can be carried in many places. It is considered a demonstration prop for dance.
A good improvisational weapon, as sticks are everywhere.
Thanks for translate, very interesting
I like this dude, Jerry Liu for his diverse interests as evident from the variety of subjects from his channels; from videos on Martial Arts and MMA to videos about wooing beautiful chicks. That's what I call having a full appreciation for the wonderful things life has to offer.
Great video! I practice Tai Chi Chuan and had to change schools when I started asking the "master" about the applications... he would then go to the grandmaster and come back with half a dozen moves that were simplistic in the least. Then I talked witha Chen professor and after a couple of classes it was easy to see what was missing. The martial aspect in martial art!
Glad someone is finally saying this. Sport is sport. MMA is not the final word on fighting.
Thanks again brothers appreciate the videos. Kung-fu always was and is great. We just need to have some sparing tournaments again. Get back in fighting shape.
That Special Forces guy just gave the greatest demonstration of Sport Martial Arts vs Real World Fighting I have ever seen. Hats off to that guy!
I genuinely love the commentary!
Great channel, thanks for this.
Glad you uploaded this. Although I am not a martial artist myself, it has been a fascination of mine for decades now. I have had this argument with mma-bjj fanboys so many time I can't count. I've always argued that in a ring, there are always rules, no matter how few the rules are. In a real life survival situation, it isn't always a good idea to take it to the ground; you could be outnumbered for instance, meaning, although you can destroy the one guy you take down, but his buddy is just going to smash a chair over your head while you lay there. Eye pokes, throat punches, groin kicks, etc. that is a real integral part of traditional martial arts, or it used to be. The point wasn't "fight to win", it was "fight to kill or maim". Granted, mma folks who are well versed in both ground fighting and striking, are well prepared to survive real fights as well. They already have a great deal of physical conditioning, and high tolerances to abuse/pain. If they were also trained to to the point of reflex (years), to go for the kill, they would transcend the athlete-martial artist, and become real warriors. Just look at the training military forces are given, in contrast to police forces. One is taught to kill, the other to subdue (supposedly). I've seen footage of special forces guys sparring with mma guys, and the mma guys admitted that in real life, they would have been dead within seconds.
I know I may get hate for this, but that's one reason I think the debate of how would Bruce Lee do in mma is moot. He would never do it. The man made movies for money and creativity. He studied martial arts because he understood what it was for, and wanted to improve it. Looking at Wing Chun, and JKD, there is a lot of focus on striking all the areas that are forbidden to hit in any competition (eyes, groin, throat, etc.) The whole Wing Chun concept of a small fighter being able to win against a larger attacker is dependent on this. If I gouge out your eyes before you can hit me, it doesn't matter how much bigger or stronger you are than me.
Sorry,I rambled. Anyway, keep up the good work. I always watch your videos, even though I don't always like seeing TMA fail over and over again, I appreciate your objectivity, and continued search for instances of it doing well. No matter how few those instances are.
Most kung-fu forms are outdated and were meant to be used in an era where people mainly fought in weapons. No amount of sparring practice is gonna make a joke "martial arts" such as Taiji or Aikido useful (except maybe as a minor compliment, but not as a base). Some forms of kung-fu such as sanda are very good though and in the same league as Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, etc.
I think I know why Kung fu stopped sparring and it’s probably because they didn’t create a sport form. If you look at the history of Jiujitsu, you find that it was originally used for warfare. Judo was invented to remove the more deadly aspects of jiujitsu so that people could train it without killing each other. Then they could pressure test and preserve it because its students wouldn’t die. I imagine Chinese martial arts came to the same crossroads and chose to only show forms to avoid this problem.
Great video!
I really respect your reviews, I agree with most of your opinions. I am a tai shing pek kwar student I see these matches with the kung fu vs other styles and the biggest mistake is that the kung fu practitioners do not spare or rarely do. I believe kung fu can be useful if you train in it like a MMA practitioner or a boxer sparring almost every class
Yep
You should check out Shifu Tim Cartmell’s bagua applications!
On it!
This was amazing! I love bagua. Ismet himmet is a great teacher of Taoist martial arts and often gives practical instruction.
Agree 100%. I think kata and forms are a building block and should be learnt in early grades to teach coordination and stringing techniques together along with foundational techniques, punching kicking. The advanced stages should purely focus on practical application and refinement and little tricks. Having done MA for 24 years I see the value in these great techniques. What I don't see is guys, be they "masters" or students being able to translate what they've learned into real combat. That doesn't mean these techniques don't work, just that people don't know how to do them in a real situation. And absolutely UFC/competition is not a true test of application because you have rules, gloves etc. Like it or not that changes what can and can't be effective and it DOES NOT reflect reality as much as a fancy kata doesn't. Great vid. Keep em coming.
Oh man, that special forces fight gives me the shivers. I first saw that a year or two ago and haven't wanted to see it again. But damn, that's the quickest end to a fight I've seen.
Good vid. I'm a Kung Fu Sifu and I totally agree! Kung Fu is great however it's been misrepresented by fake "masters" and movies for too long. We need to take lessons from modern fighters and take ALL the bullshit out of it!
excellent video thanks
This is your best video so far :)
I love the fact that people are revisiting traditional arts like kung fu and karate and showing that they can be quite effective when rightly understood and applied.
Thank you Bro For Bringing the REAL!!! 👍🏿👍🏿
I learn Shaolin-Do Kung Fu under the instruction of my Shifu, and she instructs us on the application of the moves and even sets aside some of the days per month for Sparring so that we can learn to use what we learn in both tournament and non-tournament fights.
Frankly, all traditional moves work very effectively. One just need to know the actual application of those moves and train it in sparring until one can apply it effectively. It's similar to a person who trai to do a neck choke but never done it in live environment. How can you say the choke is not effective? It's the training that is not effective not the technique.
My old sifu Alexander Hon Pong Ho was way ahead of his time because he taught his own system that combined boxing, judo and Kung fu in the early 80s.
Excellent 👍🏻👊🏻
"Practice makes the integration and enhancement of one's physical and non-physical aspects, including the forms, qi, will, and mind. Consequently, it will be of one's use when one is in a combat." said Master Li Cunyi .
Xingyi Quanjing (the book of Xingyiquan):
"When you're practicing, practice like there's an opponent. When you're fighting, fight like there's no opponent before you."
"The maneuvers have no form and the will has no thought. The real will exists only when the thought is absent."
"Those who seem to attack do not attack, while those who seem to not attack do attack."
Well, don't these things sound contradictory? Are they tongue-twisters?
One can experience and understand these mysteries of covert and transformed strength of internal martial arts only when she or he obtains the comprehensive inheritance of internal practices of forms, qi, and will. Once you experience and understand them, you'll see these are much more than martial arts. In fact, these are of Dao, that follows Nature's tranquility and non-interference. The biggest has nothing out of it. The smallest has nothing inside it. It is something that encompasses everything, and only those who have a pure and sincere mind can obtain it.
That is to say, the most advanced martial arts are the practices of Dao. They are highly centered, purely righteous, totally upright, extremely strong but also extremely tender.
People who all the time work on how to combat have lost the real use of martial arts. When they are threatened they stare at the person angrily and some of them feel the loss of strength in their arms and legs; consequently they fight without a rule. Why? That's because they have no way to pull down and maintain their qi in Dantian. If you don't know the yin and yang of qi and the operation of qi, and you have no idea how to employ the forms to regulate your qi, also you don't understand how to practice internally and use your will instead of your strength, then how can you integrate every part in your body to conform to the ways of the heavens and earth according to Dao?
The reason why some people intend to abandon what has been passed down and, instead, invent new forms and new rules is that they've never learned the authentic things. Some did find a teacher who can teach them the correct way but they discontinued before they learn the quintessence.
The complete inheritence of Xingyi, Bagua and Taiji now can only be found on few people. Why? The answer lies in the gradual loss of the ways of internal excercises from generation to generation. People who know little about the internal will definitely do the external practices wrongly. The losing of the authentic inheritence resulted in the incomplete forms of external practices. To some extent, the right ways of internal practices and the correct external forms are barely known.
Nowadays some learners of internal martial arts want to rediscover the practicing ways of internal practices and the rules from the books written by the past elders. However, what they can find are superficial and will not really fill the regretful gap. If people can't learn from those of the authentic inheritence, their lifelong pursuit without true understanding will be just in vain.
Wholeheartedly, I appreciate my teacher Li Mengxiong (李孟雄) and his father for handing down the authentic and complete teachings. Thanks to them and the heavens, the daoist Xingyiquan (形意拳) and Baguazhang (八卦掌) are not lost in this world.
I don't think I've ever seen a Thai boxer with a pony tail. Is he talking about the mongkol? The boxers take those off before the match starts.
LOL yea anyone who visited Thailand know the older generation aversion to men with long hair.
That was some nice commentary from the old man. I think when MMA becomes more popular in china we might see chinese boxing arts get put through the mma filter and we may see things similar to how we've been seeing karate and TKD be used in mma.
I think elbow lock actually try to snap break the elbow on the first bending, see how the master use his hip rotation power when bending the opponent arm. Do it fast and the elbow snap.
Great commentary. I'd love to see his style and training.
Great video
kung fu requires complete body unity, a relaxed power, a looseness, a rifined way of movement that we do not see being developed in mma or other sports, there is a certain balance in authentic kung fu, a balance of mind, body & spirit that is not found in ego based sports.It is a complete system of life enhancement & combatives.
He's right, BUT here's the problem. As soon as you start to seriously pressure test kung fu with realistic sparring, it almost immediately ceases to look like kung fu. It becomes kickboxing with wrestling. So the argument that "kung fu works, but we need to make it combat-based" is actually a bit of a contradiction, in practice.
Kung fu isn't about appearances, so why should it matter if it ceases to look like kung fu?
He's absolutely correct. I see it myself. On how the levels have changed. They took the " war" out of Martial arts. They are not utilizing it's fullest potential. I been taught the old way.
reminds me of capoeira regional originated by master BIMBA was pure practical fighting(street fight and mma) and after is dead capoeira became more and more mainstream and was more diven to the dance music fisical fitness and acrobatic component, now in mma is coming back some realy efective capoeiristas .
This is why I think it is important to distinguish between martial sports and martial arts/ self defense. Practical combat is quite different from sport fighting. The street is not the ring. It has no rules. I think king fu , along with other "pretty" martial arts get labeled as impractical by many because of people who spend all their time perfecting katas rather than the actual application of techniques on an opponent. Like the master in the video said: if you're simply doing a Kata in the air, it's kinda hard to se exactly what is being done to the hypothetical opponent and how those movements work together.
I trained in traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu and it was complete crap. I lost faith in traditional martial arts, but I actually got faith back when I looked into Chinese kung fu. In my experience, it was presented as not a self defense system but a traditional martial art with elements of self defense.
So I just found it fun and interesting. I didn't take it all serious, but some times you are just looking for something fun and interesting.
Im a 3rd generation chinese indonesian, learning muaythai from a thai guy. What i think is happening now with the "ineffectiveness" of kung fu is like getting muay boran to fight MMA. Kungfu has for some reason lost its applications in real combat probably in centuries, whats left is theory, demonstrations and memories. Unfortunate but many Chinese so called masters simply refuse to accept that fact.
How many kungfu fighters competing in the ring....look at muay thai fighters man...a real fighting not just a useless dance
@literally not z why you use knives, then i will use gun
@literally not z i never left my country
@literally not z u fucking idiot
@literally not z which is broken?
@literally not z what are? An English critic?
That first application that he showed is the same move that Rener Gracie used to demonstrate a knife defense.
kung fu has never been tested in an actual combat for hundreds of years. but in the year 2016 it was tested and it failed so hard.
that's like learning how to drive/pilot a plane online but the real thing is just so different. you have so many factors you need to consider.
That master views on kung fu are really important thanks for translating and sharing, for me I used to practice sanda for some years and nearly every time there was a sparring to test the techniques taught so when I've got stuck in the street I've fought instinctively using sanda, then I've gone to wing tsun school and taken courses privately!! without sparring just learning very good techniques and body mechanics etc...., it didn't serve when needed, after 9 years of leaving the sanda and jkd practical training I still can fight instinctively due to sparring, in simple words real fighting needs some learning and a lot of sparring and friendly challenges with other styles to adapt the techniques learned against different ways of fighting, I've even heard rumors of some masters in China take their disciples to the streets to fight against thugs to test their skill off course real masters not fraudsters fake ones ..............sorry for the big comment just sharing experience
1. The cultural Revolution 2. Face saving for the teacher 3. Sticking to forms and not doing any sparring 4. Not testing and adapting against bigger stronger people and arts 5. The danger of hurting people and getting arrested. 6. Bad teaching The Peru fight is a very typical move in CMA. Go for the eyes, the neck etc. This is the real violent fighting aspect.
The story about that pony tail is pretty much what my judo coach warned me about. As long as there is something to grab... you're pretty much free to do whatever you want. Of course there are rules, but having extra excecories like chains n shit just gives your opponent some fucking advantage
I firmly believe there will be a resurgence of traditional kung fu technique in the mixed martial arts world. Internal martial arts have a method that would totally change the meta if people applied it.
There's a Bas Rutten video wherein he talks about some student who says she could use an eye poke to disable him. To which Bas replies by saying that an eye poke would really hurt and make him so mad that he'd really hurt whoever did that. That really intimidated the girl.
Apparently though the eye poke is a useful defensive move. I think anything can be made to work when equals are fighting equals, as is the case here.
Story about the taekwondo fighter On 3:02, “I just kicked him in the balls!!!” LOL
I started Jeet Kune Do which is part of Wing chun agree with him on techniques like the eye poke not training for the street is why some styles look bad
Some traditional martial arts are more likely to spar than others. This is especially true in Kung Fu, but in most styles of Kung Fu it is easy to find schools who haven't been sparring. Most of Doc Fai Wong's students in the early 80's we're doing heavy contact sparring, but that had been mostly lost by the 2000's.
There is Kung Fu (hard work or perFECT) and Wu Shu (Chinese Martial Art) It's relatively interesting seeing the general use of the word Kung Fu and not much mention of Wu Shu. The overall mentality with any Martial Art seems to focus solely on being responsive, as in "what to do if guy does a-b-c" and not doing what Sun Tzu wrote in his book Art of War to solve small problems before they become big problems. Which, more or less, amounts to the "Art of fighting, without fighting".
True combat-ready kung fu is one of the most devastating martial toolkits in existence, however with so few masters left who can teach it, it's sad to think it might become extinct. Breathing, rhythm, reading the opponent, conditioning, how to take a hit, how to generate power, explosive speed, stamina, learning how to not telegraph, these are all fundamentals any combat-ready art must teach. Having studied and trained in several arts from childhood, most friends who ask me which traditional art is the best, I will say it depends on the teacher, but my number one recommendation to anyone who wants to be able to apply their knowledge in a real fight is to train in boxing. Boxing plus almost any art will put you light years ahead of most traditionalists. Then of course BJJ is the next rung on the ladder.
Keep in mind that sword stuff works with a bat and staffs are just big sticks so if you pressure test it it's still applicable in da streez
He reminds me of my old headmaster. The stories and the criticisms of martial arts are all the same. Dude had 2 hernias and could still fuck you up, no joke.
Do not take the word of what is popular.
See the beauty in what you are doing.
Not all things are applicable in fighting but are a way of improving movement, mobility, strength and transition between balance points.
Not all start from the same body type and mentality.
Why do they attack you?
What is the situation you have to defend your self in?
How many are your attackers?
Be like water flow.
Do you know how did say that first (is it the same how did make it popular)?
How to pick a good teacher might be a good video. Here’s my method. First thing you do is go to the class and ask if they spar. If they say yes then you ask when and try to show up to watch. Don’t participate the first time and just watch. If they don’t spar then don’t come back to the class. If their sparring is just push hands only then leave and don’t come back. If their sparring includes kicks, punches , destructions, deflections and trapping then you found a class that might be useful in real combat training.
Next you watch how the teacher interacts with the students and see if he talks about how the form is applied after teaching the form. Sometimes this is done in a different class as many people only want to learn heath aspects these days. So ask he teacher if he has a martial based class or can give you private lessons where you learn them. It starts with you throwing punches at the teacher , it’s called receiving hands. Then kicks are added . Then he does the same back. Eventually within a few sessions you should be sparing with him where neither of you is only receiving and your both throwing kicks and punches. Then eventually after a few more sessions you try to apply a move from the form list while the kicks and punches are happening. This should all happen after a few sessions and if not then ask him to spar if he says your not ready then leave and don’t come back. No one is ever ready for sparring only sparring can make you ready for sparring. My teacher essentially teaches qigong and Taichi in the first part of the class and then for those that want to learn martial aspect he teaches that in the last hour and a half of the class for example.
The class stretches up to three and half hours sometimes. I sometimes get damaged from the training. It’s a side effect of learning real combat that you have to accept which many people can’t. He shows us how the form is only a list it’s nothing but a way to remember each of the moves. Only the tip of the iceberg. Real application takes daily practice to apply them first a few times at a slow pace and then actually try to apply them in sparring situation. You need willing friends to work with this daily. It’s next to impossible but slowly after many hours of sparring some signs of progress come out. For example on move suddenly comes to mind. But you can’t use it. After many more hours of sparring finally that move comes out at the right moment but executed poorly, but maybe enough just to give you a glimpse of how to improve next time. If you are not training this three days a week or more in a somewhat heavy sparring situation then it’s likely you’ll never make Taichi martial aspects practical in a real fight.
Also Just going to class isn’t enough either you will need to take private lessons to really get enough time in to build up the muscle memory and body mechanic knowledge or find other students willing to practice with you out of class.
The process is as such. One you learn the form so you can memorise the moves and increase your focus. Then you start doing receiving hands and receiving kicks. This is punches and kicks one way and then the other. In parallel you learn push hands not push hands only first.. Then a few sessions later you spar. But you always start receiving hands, receiving kicks, sparing and the. You try to apply a move while in sparing. At first the teacher might give you a limb or pause to wait to see if your actually going to get him. to try to show you where it might come in. But then you have to find it yourself and at speed. Eventually you start to feel where push hands Melds with this punching and kicking , when you get In to close and then you can apply a move In trapping range.
There are a few people who are exceptions but for the 98 percent of us that’s the reality. Out of 100 teachers maybe one or two have real martial aspect lineages maybe less. But using the above method you can vet them quite quickly. If you don’t have minimum three days a week to spend at least one full hour each time on sparring with willing candidates plus more to learn basic form and application then you might as well pick up something more practical like MMA, BJJ or JKD.
Having said that if you have time and can find a good teacher then your knowledge of body mechanics and general combat will improve substantially. I’ve trained all of the above and Taichi is the deepest and most profound of them all for many reasons but the downside is to extremely hard to find a good martial teacher and when you do you will need to put in more time than most people have to make it functional.
Your so right! Love this channel and your truth.. Combat kung fu must always demonstrate effectiveness in maiming and or killing the opponent. Kung Fu San Soo and KunLun Kung Fu does exactly that. Every step a kick every kick a step every touch breaks bones. Dancing doesn't do shit