the main factor here is that back in the 80’s/90’s traditional martial arts schools were way more hard than today’s. they were constantly pressure testing/hard sparring and produced these types of fighters with the appropriate mentality of studying martial arts. everyone is too soft these days and dont want lawsuits for their students getting injured. its not the art that has started to die, its the MENTALITY and SPIRIT of the traditional martial artist thats dying.
Couldnt disagree more. The reason things seem less hard nowadays is the realisation that traditional martial arts generally arnt very good. So if your kid is getting beat with a stick in karate, you might as well send him to thai boxing where he will get treated right and actuially learn how to fight. People didnt really have that luxury or knowledge in the 80s/90s.
the people teaching today were training in the 80s and 90s and earlier, or their teachers were.Just doesn't make sense what you said. Talk is cheap. It is very mixed and always has been.
@@paulthomas8262 You are thinking about the teachers' mentality and forgetting about students' mentality. A great teacher can't do anything if the students are not hooked, a student that is not hooked will not be willling to put in the necessary work, will be fearful, not competitive, thus weak. Even if there are 2 students that are really passionate, if the environment they get to train is garbage, they will not push as hard. Of course there are exceptions out there but the overall trend is true. Also, the new teachers of today have started in the 2000, and and their weakness further contributes to the problem. Even some arts' federations are softening the rules of combat for tournaments.
That Bagua guy is a student of Mike Patterson, which means he’s probably a Xingyi guy as well. A lot of us Bagua guys also train Xingyi. It’s a great combo. And my Bagua teacher taught me that it’s all about turning the opponent. We don’t use the circular footwork on the outside. That’s for use up close to take the back.
exactly form emptiness and imperceptibility not bagua shapes on the outside, is what allows a bagua practitioner to treat the incoming punch with disdain. sudden circular footwork whilst slipping. Evade bump and strike as one movement. something like the highest art of boxing(slip counter)...but with more tools. Being formless is the easiest way to enter In my humble opinion, but i stand corrected if someone enlightned would correct me. peace
Yes they are Mike Patterson students. Most of the fighters you see there are more trained in Xingyi compared to Bagua. Mike Patterson trained those students to fight and not just to have fancy artform. However, he train them to incorporate the art in the fighting.
After meeting and practicing with a guy who trained Ba Gua for fighting but moving to a different country soon after. I was interested in BaGua for some years but I never was able to find a good school that treated the fighting aspect seriously. Some Ba Gua teachers even shamed me for asking if they taught fighting as if they were above something so base ?! But yeah, the circle walking only ever made sense as something you did in really close range. It's funny when you see guys do it at farther distances.
I trained with ShrFu Patterson for almost a decade and although I was not one of his full contact fighters, I can attest that he and the full-contact fighters he trained were the real deal. I maintain very occasional contact with ShrFu Patterson and I have enjoyed following this channel in which some charlatans are called out. I believe any discipline, whether it be MMA or traditional martial arts, ultimately is served better when it keeps it real, I believe this allows for better adaptation and training of the martial artist, despite his or her discipline. I am so happy to have seen these clips posted and analyzed on this channel.
Wing Chun's biggest weakness is takedown defense however I think that's what the front kick is for. Throw them often enough to discourage your opponent shooting in. Props to the first guy in the vid. Very cool stuff!
Btw the zig-zag footwork is likely how you are supposed to come in but is one of the artifacts that got lost during the Cultural Revolution. Coming in straight on as a wing chun fighter never made sense to me with the stance.
Also zig-zagging explains why the toes are turned inward so dramatically. Another reason why it makes no sense to beeline toward your opponent. Have no stability if your feet are turned in like that moving in and out in a straight line. Zig-zagging makes way more sense.
This type of Wing Chun footwork, in zigzag and triangles, is the original style. I was taught it but I didn't believe it could be effective in an aggresive fight until now. However, I still believe it leaves you too open for takedowns.
It is the essence of wing chun, those steps you do at the beginning of the second form. It's about time someone uses them in video sparring. Can't answer about takedowns because I never sparred wrestlers. Glad to see people who know better wing chun than those we've seen so far are coming up though!
Thats because your only supossed to use those stepping patterns in certain applications idiot your not just supposed to diagnolly zig zag with your tan sau stick out to your opponent you obviously dont pay attention to you sifu or he dosent explain well
That's sad lmao. The boxers was trash and I say that out of experience. I fought like him when I first started boxing and got lit up with combos and bodyshots and the guy I spar was 2 months ahead of me.
@@blank1blank249 Excuses, excuses. Everytime someone with TMA does well against a modern combat sport, somebody has always gotta make excuses. "The guy was trash!" Buddy, take the L and just realize your guy lost. It's embarrassing the mental gymnastics you guys will go through just to make excuses for yourselves.
@@theguy6082 I saw Wing Chun guy lose, and i practiced it, i told myself "Then i sucked. Gotta be better". In fact, i never cursed any guys who did not practice Wing Chun. But then when a Wing Chun guy actually wins decently like in this video and doesn't make excuses, then i see guy makes excuses. Shut the f**k up. Guys like @Jisue Ortiz here are the reason why Fake Wing Chun guys keep showing up. You guys deserve each other.
@@FightCommentary he was bigger and better shape. I use side and thrust kicks. Didn't stop him. I was primarily kenpo back then. We sought each other out in a private match, as a test. Could not push him back
@@thedoubtfuls mine was kenpo, but not an expert. Ed Parker, to Bill Hill to me... not sure his. He wasn't an expert but I sparred hard and he would not relent
@@akmil02 so he was doing kungfuish moves then? Or mixed up w kickboxing stuff? What was tough abt fighting him? I'm generally curious abt traces of old skool real kungfu.
That is Wing Chun/Ving Tsun! WC/VT dude is well trained. With respect to the technique you ask about, that was a Bong Sao (Wing Arm)- it’s a deflecting technique seen often in trapping techniques (wrapping hand). Also, in that same sequence, the Boxer threw a right which was deflected by the WC/VT’s Bong Sao (left arm). Bong Sao has a rotational nature resulting from internally rotating the arm (pronating at the wrist/hand) while extending it on center. Upon impact, the Boxer’s right arm is directed away from center while the WC/VT’s left arm uses the impulse (like a ball hitting a tennis racket - it reverses direction upon impact) energy to then strike the opponent. If you consider the tempo and timing: • 1st beat - Boxer extends right arm • 2nd Beat - WC/VT’s Bong Sao • 3rd Beat - Boxer’s arm & WC/VT guy’s arm traveling in opposite directions-> • 1/2 Beat - WC/VT’s left hand strikes It’s classic lin sil die dar (“the hand that blocks attacks” or “simultaneous attack-defense).” ...So, in theory, on that particular exchange, the Boxer had more of a distance to travel in order to pull his right arm back to guard (which would effectively block the WC/VT guy’s incoming strike- except for the fact that the strike is traveling from a shorter distance). Additionally, the direction of vectors (Boxer’s arm compared to WC/VT guy’s arm) are opposite; so, the Boxer would have the time segment disadvantage of having to change direction in order to pull back arm into right guard position. Of Course, this kind of skill is not acquired by conditioning patterns such as one step sparring. It requires de-conditioning reflexes & responses via Chi Sao training. Sparring can also de-condition reflexes and responses.
Long before UFC, the KuoShu tournaments were testing traditional Kung Fu skills in brutal fashion with full contact punches, kicks, throws. In the 70-80s the gloves were about as thick as painter's gloves. My sifu fought in them and his teacher, Grandmaster Pai was the President of the KuoShu Federation for a time. These guys, including Mike Patterson who sent the video, were beasts.
Awesome to see you showcasing Mike Patterson's students. Mike is an old school traditional chinese martial arts teacher who learnt in Taiwan from the Tang Shou Tao people (xingyi, bagua, taiji mainly). He's one of the few CMA people keeping it real. His students were lucky to have him as a teacher.
Most of the clip fights my favorite is the wing Chun, it's rare to see a good of of wing chun the boxer was aggressive and has some power punches but the wing Chun guy knows how to defend himself and he has a good stance he's not that aggressive fighter he can just counter any attacks and strikes back.
If the "boxer" was allowed to grapple this video would not be seen here, they were sparring on hard ground so one throw would be enough to cause massive damage and death.
Great Wing Chun application, nice to see the non linear entries and shifting lead hand that can make WC tricky to deal with. You could also see the WC guy could effectively manipulate his opponents centre of gravity up close which is key to good WC. There were some great WC combos on show like the bong sau combo (the boxer could not hit his ribs BTW as he was already off balance at that point). You did miss the double hit combo right at the end, go back and watch again just before 2 mins he strikes him first in the head with a left straight punch and then throws a fak sau (sideways chop) to the guys neck with the same hand. The two strikes are so close together they look like one at first.
@@anonymousshawn9996 That is a completely ridiculous claim, this isn't some anime show where people study your weakness and use it against you for a critical strike. Professional fighters spar and train on camera all the time. Not amount of watching Mike Tyson's tapes to study him would have saved you from a brutal knock out in his prime. The US military has documentaries showing essentially every single fighting techniques they teach US marines and soldiers from other branches. There's not a lot of TMA fights because it doesn't happen often that something is worth seeing. When it is, like in the present video, we're all happy to see it, this guy was very impressive, more power to him. I saw my coach train and spar every time I go to train, I know what he's doing, but I still can't touch him. It doesn't work like that.
The "Bagua" moving in circles like that, is more than mind games... From what i see, it's fairly smart because it makes your opponent 2nd guess when to attack.. Its hard to hit moving targets... Its a stamina drainer though
This was awesome! I always try to keep an open mind about various styles of martial arts because of videos like this that show that if you train right most fighting styles have really good aspects.
I fought full contact Sanshou in either 1999 or 2000. Back then there were still a lot of Chinese martial artists that wanted to prove themselves. Nowadays, anyone wanting that kind of experience goes straight for combat sports. It’s a shame really
First the feint, then the block from the boxer's left hook and left hand strike at the same time. Wing Chun is famous for using both hand at the same time. The Bagua practitioner walks around the opponent, because he doesn't want to be a stationary target. It is part of the Bagua style.
This is not 'evolved' WC, it's traditional text book WC. One thing to remember is that different lineages have different styles. 1000 more videos like this and maybe 1 MMA bonehead will see something useful in WC. Don't get too salty boys, it's just a prank.
The first clip of the wing chun guy is exactly how I was trained to fight when I practiced wing chun. The footwork as well. My group had a huge emphasis on contact drills, managing force by feel and structured sparring. The stepping was right on too.
Been saying for a while,even before the UA-cam gen started videotaping EVERYTHING....There were Martial Arts. To assume that everything not mma isn't legit is ludicrous. This kind of training has always existed. Dudes have Always "tested" each other And JUST LIKE ALL THINGS IN LIFE; Some will be Skilled or good/effective AND MOST WONT BE.Most will be like most drivers,"OKAY"unless things get real difficult. That's called Human Nature.
Dorks, the guys you see slamming, punching and kicking the shit out of people at around the 5:40, 6:00 marks are Xing Yi guys. That's how real Xing Yi by people that apply plays out. It's a very direct, rough, brutal and sadistic martial art. Nothing to take lightly at all.
4:40 don't know how true this is but years ago I've heard from a bagua practitioner (good fighter too!) the sideways walk thing is a mark of someone not truly understanding bagua, supposedly it's meant to be used only as a training exercise and never as the basic "stance" in fights
I love that there's no cage in most of this. The cage makes grappling so much less powerful because it incentivizes people to run away and use the cage for support.
Good to see that chain punch works against double leg takedowns ,all you have to do is lowering your stance and punch right on his face while running away from the takedown with your footworks ,thats insane
Jerry the main man! Still have not come across any other top UA-camr who has shown and featured a variety of interests on their channels. Hey Jerry, when are you doing a video on the top babes from China? 😉.. Haha
Great video! Dont take anything i say as criticism of you, guys, Jerry and Rob. Just cause people were boxing gloves that dont mean they are boxers. Many MANY of these “WC vs Boxing” are just random dudes with boxing gloves but no actual training in boxing. In this case we have a “boxer” who keeps his elbows flared out and shoots for double and sing-legs when he gets flustered? Im thinking the the tuna smells a little fishy down there lol. Also i will point out that when you guys were impressed at how the “boxer got lit up” he also landed an overhand right to the WC guys ear. If i have comments on next fights i will make them in a reply.
Lei Tei Tournaments include Sanda fighters. One of the gyms i used to train at would go to a big LT tournament in Baltimore every year and it was a Sanda/Sanshou gym at heart, but it advertised as sanda, judo, bjj, and mma, and people with all kinds of different backgrounds were coaching there and training there. So SOME of those Lei Tei fighters have background in other styles.
This is how i remember MA's (not only traditional wushu) use to be back in the early 90's. Tough guys. Now i guess the main problem (for TMA's) is that tough guys sign up for MMA while guys who want to learn to do magic tricks sign up for TMA's classes. If you want to improve your fighting skills, being a karate or kung fu practitioner, you might be the only one.
Those sidesteps are actually taught at the very beginning of your wing chun training (during the first form) in some schools, and at latest during the second form everywhere else (they are actually at the beginning of the second form). No serious Wing Chun practitioner is going to take a boxer straight on, changing the angle is the ESSENCE of Wing Chun. You are always going to lose to a boxer if you don't do that .... reason being the obvious fact that the sheer amount of power a boxer will generate is going to overrun you (which is what we've seen most of the time on youtube). That's why you have to change the angles through correct footwork. So yes, it's not evolved WC, it's actually basic WC. I am not an expert in WC as I never even completed my training (never did the third form), but I did work on those steps from the beginning. If some people don't teach them, then they are scammers, since they are clearly shown in chium kiu ....
Yes Wing Chun has evolved in many ways, but they all utilize the same moves which are essential moved in their forms. If you go to Francis Fong who learned Wing Chun straight from Bruce Lee himself, his style of Wing Chun has been changed to be more combative and fought in a side stance rather than the Kim yeung ma stance.
The commentator said always have an exit strategy: interesting how this fact applies to nearly everything in life, for instance and in particular, going into business partnership with friends, family or strangers alike! Wise up people 🙂
Kuoshu/Guoshu (國術) is just the term used for Wushu (武術) from a Taiwan or HK background. Note the ROC flag at the convention center! Leitai Kuoshu actually has similar, but different rules from Sanda and you actually see a lot more TMA Kung Fu in that paradigm. usksf.org/lei-tai/
As a practitioner of wing chun that has sparred a fair amount with Boxers and MMA fighters, I would say the first clip pretty accurately portrays the relationship between the two approaches. Although my one note is that the WC practitioner is leaving his guard open and letting his hands wander outside of where they should be a fair amount. Ultimately the boxer he is sparring with doesn't capitalize on these openings though.
The beauty of martial arts. Depending on where the people live, who they fight with, tradition, individual's mindset, one martial art can evolve and adapt.
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The "zig zag" footwork comes mainly from Southern dragon/lung Ying correct? The southern styles have always seemed to be more practical than what originated in the north. But I am only basing this off of years of videos and books, and occasionally a sparring partner who had a king fu background.
If this was a good representation than wing chung really is trash 💀. The boxer reminds me of me when I first started boxing and got lit up with combos and bodyshots. (the guy I spar only had 2 months more than me). Fight commentary even said it themselves a good boxer would counter with a body shot.
00:26 jeans guy slips with his left foot, he's already falling before he's hit (or let's call it "grazed" as this is more appropriate than "hit" in this case) with anything.
These 90's Tournaments were a regular thing as I came up.THAT'S WHY I GET SO PISSED AT THE NAY SAYERS!! THERE WERE SOME BUMS BUT SOME GOOD FIGHTERS TOO and many, many knockouts. The Black dude in UFC 3 WAS CHAMP once and gave Ken Shamrock much trouble with no ground game. The New generation needs to know that people been getting fucked up WAAYYYYY before the UFC.This is NOTHING NEW.CALL UP BLACK BELT MAGAZINE and ask to check the archives.
Good to see some honest examples of kung-fu being exposed, can't wait to see more. Also noticed the slow but steady change in tone about kung-fu from FCB, glad to also see a non biased opinion lol
@@FirsteMann1929 The Ip Man lineages are far better than what remained in China(Pan Nam, etc.)- and then the Communists basically neutered all Chinese martial arts when they took over, only approving of Wushu. So Traditional Chinese martial arts pretty much suck inside China today.
Grt stuff, saw some of the hsingi footage long ago. There were bouts like this in Taiwan and China where they mixed in sanda and kungfu. But u had more fighters then, old guys who killed w hands in war, were in triad gang duels. When the old guys died, kungfu took even more of a nosedive.
I could be wrong, but the wing Chun guy's footwork is a trademark of the Dr.Leung Ting's system. He used to spell it WING TSUN and they had a break off. Again, I could be wrong, but the way the wing Chun guy seemed married to that footwork, looks like he came from that WT SCHOOL (which later fell into different factions).
I think is not Lei Tai , its Sanda Sanshou . You can knock him to the ground but do not continue the fight on the ground or hit him when he is down 3 points, you are allowed to push him from the ring 3 points. Jump kick 3 points , kick 2 points, , punch 1 point ! Other spectacular technique 3 point ! You have to punch 3 to maximum 5 time but you must include a kick (even low kick) .If you do only boxing you will lose points . I hope I remember correct the rules . If you touch the ground with one hand after a push or something you will lose 3 points , they consider you are finished with a kick in your face ... . Everyone is allowed to use: boxing, bagua, Hsing Yi, Shaolin, Wudang, wrestling, judo, etc ....
in my opinion that guy look masterful is because his opponent are bad, now before you attacking me, i'm not saying he's a bad fighter, it's just sometimes sometimes even you're very good but your opponent is far better than you, he can make you look like an amateur. and vice versa, if you're just meh okay but your opponent is far worse than you, you'll look great in that fight.
Great video, but you are misinformed. The takedowns come from kung fu, you see it in Sanda all the time in competition. No wrestling background, just kung fu .
I was gonna say the same thing. I think its because western cultures seem to be much more open to sparring. When you see these Chinese guys, they seem to have practiced the moves but never actually tried it vs a live opponent who fights back. So when they actually fight, all the technique goes out the window. Trying to learn to fight without sparring is like trying to learn to swim on dry land
@@elenchus True. In my mind I was including the period from when the CCP came to power in 1949, and lots of martial arts masters left china. Including Ip Man, who returned to Hong Kong.
@@BWater-yq3jx That's true, but Ip Man only lived under Maoist rule for a year, so virtually all of his training (and teaching) was outside of Maoist influence. And, at any rate, the major crackdown on Chinese culture, including martial arts, didn't begin until '66. I think the big disconnect between the effectiveness of wing chun and the expectations for wing chun is that wing chun was likely one of hundreds of obscure, locally taught styles, each of which marketed itself as the best fighting style of all time. Wing chun differed from these others because it accidentally created the ultimate marketing vessel in Bruce Lee, exposing the once-esoteric style to hundreds of millions of people. Bruce Lee's contact with wing chun was brief, and he could have just as easily done some other style, which would now be regarded as the ultimate style of fighting. Because of its newfound notoriety, people naturally expected the fame of the martial art to match its fighting prowess. After all, this is why we know of styles like Muay Thai and BJJ, formerly obscure styles to most of the world but now household names because of their success. But I think that was probably the wrong instinct. Wing chun had no more claim to be an elite fighting style than any other style of kung fu that we've never heard of, most of which are now long-dead, never to be studied again.
these guys are trained for combat, unlike those old men and others whom xu xiaotong fought i think those are just martial arts style trainers but not trained to be martial arts combat fighters in the ring like these guys in this video are? so i think Wingchun or any types of Kung fu need to revamp and start building their combat 1on1 fighting techniques for the octagon or the boxing ring just like what MMA (mixed martial arts are build created for)
I have been readying coments and i'm in love with that comunity. There are not irracional Wing Chun hate. One of the videos where a Wing Chun guy does a good work, and there aren't a lot of stupids saying that's due to the boxer sucks
@@amitsukhram2352 yes bro, there is no comparison betwen old and new, its just matter they're evolve, like you said. because old style only focuse in one way strike, its really rare to find oldstyle that have full packet striking technik(punch, kick, clinch and ground fight) , but as a fighter we always learn more and more to complete our fighting skill, for example, striker style learn how to grapple and grappler learn about boxing, thats the real deal about material art, its not what you learn, its about how long you'll train to complete your skill and improve them
OMG!! I think that was me back in 98’ if this was in Timonium md.? 6:50 of this clip, 2nd fight of the day. I won 1st fight by decision. I was totally drained by the time I hit the Lei tai mat that night. No excuses I got my ass handed to me. Oh and that side slam didn’t hurt it was the kick in the head that did🤪 There was a Ukrainian WC guy from the same lineage as me. He couldn’t speak much English but he told me to “Kick ass”! Lol nice guy /beast!, I believe he was middleweight and he won that division. Damn near KO’d all his opponents. That weekend was a hell of a experience. It was a bit disorganized. Call your name then say na, go back and wait? Happened like 3x that day. End of the night organizers say “come back tomorrow your the 1st fight”. I’m dressed and headed home, guy comes running to the lobby “he man your up”??! 😩.... Still I definitely needed more sparring time. I came out dry and just unfocused until I caught that head kick by the time I woke up fight was over. I’ve never seen the footage until now. I really wanted that fight back. I did everything wrong, bull rushing with chain punches and I didn’t have contact at all🤷🏾♂️ I was pissed, but Live and learn. My opponent was game from start of the bell.
the main factor here is that back in the 80’s/90’s traditional martial arts schools were way more hard than today’s. they were constantly pressure testing/hard sparring and produced these types of fighters with the appropriate mentality of studying martial arts. everyone is too soft these days and dont want lawsuits for their students getting injured. its not the art that has started to die, its the MENTALITY and SPIRIT of the traditional martial artist thats dying.
Agree!
Couldnt disagree more. The reason things seem less hard nowadays is the realisation that traditional martial arts generally arnt very good. So if your kid is getting beat with a stick in karate, you might as well send him to thai boxing where he will get treated right and actuially learn how to fight. People didnt really have that luxury or knowledge in the 80s/90s.
the people teaching today were training in the 80s and 90s and earlier, or their teachers were.Just doesn't make sense what you said. Talk is cheap. It is very mixed and always has been.
@@paulthomas8262 You are thinking about the teachers' mentality and forgetting about students' mentality. A great teacher can't do anything if the students are not hooked, a student that is not hooked will not be willling to put in the necessary work, will be fearful, not competitive, thus weak. Even if there are 2 students that are really passionate, if the environment they get to train is garbage, they will not push as hard. Of course there are exceptions out there but the overall trend is true. Also, the new teachers of today have started in the 2000, and and their weakness further contributes to the problem. Even some arts' federations are softening the rules of combat for tournaments.
@literally not z Lol what
I really admire your effort to look for the good side of martial arts
90's American Kung Fu seems better than 2019 Chinese Kung Fu. From the practical aspect
@Audio 9999 too bad we don't see "good Kung Fu" vs MMA
@@fabianacuna7113 hope to see Retsu Kaio coming back from the cave one day...
@@japanesepassion3113 lol I had to look him up 😄
@Audio 9999 I wish I could...
@@fabianacuna7113 oh o forgot. too bad is dead now...
That Bagua guy is a student of Mike Patterson, which means he’s probably a Xingyi guy as well. A lot of us Bagua guys also train Xingyi. It’s a great combo. And my Bagua teacher taught me that it’s all about turning the opponent. We don’t use the circular footwork on the outside. That’s for use up close to take the back.
exactly form emptiness and imperceptibility not bagua shapes on the outside, is what allows a bagua practitioner to treat the incoming punch with disdain. sudden circular footwork whilst slipping. Evade bump and strike as one movement. something like the highest art of boxing(slip counter)...but with more tools. Being formless is the easiest way to enter In my humble opinion, but i stand corrected if someone enlightned would correct me. peace
@@beyondwujischool sounds cool in theory but in practice? video of this working against a decent boxer please.
@@Godaronful cool thanks.
Yes they are Mike Patterson students. Most of the fighters you see there are more trained in Xingyi compared to Bagua. Mike Patterson trained those students to fight and not just to have fancy artform. However, he train them to incorporate the art in the fighting.
After meeting and practicing with a guy who trained Ba Gua for fighting but moving to a different country soon after. I was interested in BaGua for some years but I never was able to find a good school that treated the fighting aspect seriously. Some Ba Gua teachers even shamed me for asking if they taught fighting as if they were above something so base ?!
But yeah, the circle walking only ever made sense as something you did in really close range. It's funny when you see guys do it at farther distances.
Classic kung fu action. If only all the modern kung fu schools did this type of sparring.
I trained with ShrFu Patterson for almost a decade and although I was not one of his full contact fighters, I can attest that he and the full-contact fighters he trained were the real deal. I maintain very occasional contact with ShrFu Patterson and I have enjoyed following this channel in which some charlatans are called out. I believe any discipline, whether it be MMA or traditional martial arts, ultimately is served better when it keeps it real, I believe this allows for better adaptation and training of the martial artist, despite his or her discipline. I am so happy to have seen these clips posted and analyzed on this channel.
Wing Chun's biggest weakness is takedown defense however I think that's what the front kick is for. Throw them often enough to discourage your opponent shooting in. Props to the first guy in the vid. Very cool stuff!
Btw the zig-zag footwork is likely how you are supposed to come in but is one of the artifacts that got lost during the Cultural Revolution. Coming in straight on as a wing chun fighter never made sense to me with the stance.
Also zig-zagging explains why the toes are turned inward so dramatically. Another reason why it makes no sense to beeline toward your opponent. Have no stability if your feet are turned in like that moving in and out in a straight line. Zig-zagging makes way more sense.
Now this guy is impressive! He actually uses techniques and FOOTWORK to find the opening! This is one of the best I've seen here on youtube!
Thank you! Do you see that he is never far away from the opponent, and how he closes the distance quickly? This is TEXT BOOK wing chun!
Def Mike Patterson's guys were a sight to see on the Lei Tai. You can see the hsingyi, Bagua, and taiji all working.
This type of Wing Chun footwork, in zigzag and triangles, is the original style. I was taught it but I didn't believe it could be effective in an aggresive fight until now. However, I still believe it leaves you too open for takedowns.
It is the essence of wing chun, those steps you do at the beginning of the second form. It's about time someone uses them in video sparring. Can't answer about takedowns because I never sparred wrestlers. Glad to see people who know better wing chun than those we've seen so far are coming up though!
Thats because your only supossed to use those stepping patterns in certain applications idiot your not just supposed to diagnolly zig zag with your tan sau stick out to your opponent you obviously dont pay attention to you sifu or he dosent explain well
The wing Chung guy is switched on, and I would say very advanced
That's sad lmao.
The boxers was trash and I say that out of experience. I fought like him when I first started boxing and got lit up with combos and bodyshots and the guy I spar was 2 months ahead of me.
@@blank1blank249 Excuses, excuses. Everytime someone with TMA does well against a modern combat sport, somebody has always gotta make excuses. "The guy was trash!" Buddy, take the L and just realize your guy lost. It's embarrassing the mental gymnastics you guys will go through just to make excuses for yourselves.
@@theguy6082
I saw Wing Chun guy lose, and i practiced it, i told myself "Then i sucked. Gotta be better". In fact, i never cursed any guys who did not practice Wing Chun.
But then when a Wing Chun guy actually wins decently like in this video and doesn't make excuses, then i see guy makes excuses.
Shut the f**k up. Guys like @Jisue Ortiz here are the reason why Fake Wing Chun guys keep showing up. You guys deserve each other.
@@theguy6082 lol try this anywhere in a western mma gym and your gonna have a bad time
One of the toughest people I've ever sparred with practiced bagua. Bested me
Tell us more! How did the spar session go? We want some more details!
What lineage and sparring background in other arts?
@@FightCommentary he was bigger and better shape. I use side and thrust kicks. Didn't stop him. I was primarily kenpo back then. We sought each other out in a private match, as a test. Could not push him back
@@thedoubtfuls mine was kenpo, but not an expert. Ed Parker, to Bill Hill to me... not sure his. He wasn't an expert but I sparred hard and he would not relent
@@akmil02 so he was doing kungfuish moves then? Or mixed up w kickboxing stuff? What was tough abt fighting him? I'm generally curious abt traces of old skool real kungfu.
That is Wing Chun/Ving Tsun! WC/VT dude is well trained.
With respect to the technique you ask about, that was a Bong Sao (Wing Arm)- it’s a deflecting technique seen often in trapping techniques (wrapping hand).
Also, in that same sequence, the Boxer threw a right which was deflected by the WC/VT’s Bong Sao (left arm). Bong Sao has a rotational nature resulting from internally rotating the arm (pronating at the wrist/hand) while extending it on center. Upon impact, the Boxer’s right arm is directed away from center while the WC/VT’s left arm uses the impulse (like a ball hitting a tennis racket - it reverses direction upon impact) energy to then strike the opponent. If you consider the tempo and timing:
• 1st beat - Boxer extends right arm
• 2nd Beat - WC/VT’s Bong Sao
• 3rd Beat - Boxer’s arm & WC/VT guy’s arm traveling in opposite directions->
• 1/2 Beat - WC/VT’s left hand strikes
It’s classic lin sil die dar (“the hand that blocks attacks” or “simultaneous attack-defense).”
...So, in theory, on that particular exchange, the Boxer had more of a distance to travel in order to pull his right arm back to guard (which would effectively block the WC/VT guy’s incoming strike- except for the fact that the strike is traveling from a shorter distance). Additionally, the direction of vectors (Boxer’s arm compared to WC/VT guy’s arm) are opposite; so, the Boxer would have the time segment disadvantage of having to change direction in order to pull back arm into right guard position.
Of Course, this kind of skill is not acquired by conditioning patterns such as one step sparring. It requires de-conditioning reflexes & responses via Chi Sao training. Sparring can also de-condition reflexes and responses.
The takedown at 6:10 was amazing, and the exchanges from 9:35 on were really intense. Great commentary as usual!
Long before UFC, the KuoShu tournaments were testing traditional Kung Fu skills in brutal fashion with full contact punches, kicks, throws. In the 70-80s the gloves were about as thick as painter's gloves. My sifu fought in them and his teacher, Grandmaster Pai was the President of the KuoShu Federation for a time. These guys, including Mike Patterson who sent the video, were beasts.
Really you guys are impress by this wow.
That double leg is a clear sign that the boxer doesn't know how to grapple. Against a skilled BJJ guy, he would immediately get guillotined.
Awesome to see you showcasing Mike Patterson's students. Mike is an old school traditional chinese martial arts teacher who learnt in Taiwan from the Tang Shou Tao people (xingyi, bagua, taiji mainly). He's one of the few CMA people keeping it real. His students were lucky to have him as a teacher.
That wing chun move is called bong sau
You and 24 others are wrong its Kao Sau!
@@Gieszkanne elbow looks far to high to be considered close to a kao sau, perhaps a poorly executed bong sau or an over ambitious kau sau?
@@Gieszkanne hip placement suggests he was going for a bong sau not kao sau as his hips are pointing inwards as part of the action.
@@pogdog69 Has nothing to do with the position of the elbow. Bong Sau is a inside move/block Kao Sau outside. That simple.
@@Gieszkanne Correct that's why his hips are pointing in when he does the action (bong sau) not out (kao sau)
Most of the clip fights my favorite is the wing Chun, it's rare to see a good of of wing chun the boxer was aggressive and has some power punches but the wing Chun guy knows how to defend himself and he has a good stance he's not that aggressive fighter he can just counter any attacks and strikes back.
That jean pant was not boxer , he was just a bum
@@hami308 he might have been a beginner mma guy since he knew some basic punches, a double leg to dump and attempted a single leg.
If the "boxer" was allowed to grapple this video would not be seen here, they were sparring on hard ground so one throw would be enough to cause massive damage and death.
Great Wing Chun application, nice to see the non linear entries and shifting lead hand that can make WC tricky to deal with.
You could also see the WC guy could effectively manipulate his opponents centre of gravity up close which is key to good WC.
There were some great WC combos on show like the bong sau combo (the boxer could not hit his ribs BTW as he was already off balance at that point). You did miss the double hit combo right at the end, go back and watch again just before 2 mins he strikes him first in the head with a left straight punch and then throws a fak sau (sideways chop) to the guys neck with the same hand. The two strikes are so close together they look like one at first.
You would be surprised how many TMA fights don't make it to the internet or mainstream media.
Fight Fly Crow
Even now, fighters don't post their sparring sessions/training because someone may find a weakness in their methods.
@@anonymousshawn9996 That is a completely ridiculous claim, this isn't some anime show where people study your weakness and use it against you for a critical strike. Professional fighters spar and train on camera all the time. Not amount of watching Mike Tyson's tapes to study him would have saved you from a brutal knock out in his prime. The US military has documentaries showing essentially every single fighting techniques they teach US marines and soldiers from other branches.
There's not a lot of TMA fights because it doesn't happen often that something is worth seeing. When it is, like in the present video, we're all happy to see it, this guy was very impressive, more power to him.
I saw my coach train and spar every time I go to train, I know what he's doing, but I still can't touch him. It doesn't work like that.
@@anonymousshawn9996 or because they dont have time for keyboard bushitters on youtube!.
@@safdarkh786 That too..... Take Charlie Zelenoff for example.
@@anonymousshawn9996 charlie 'da goat' z...learn to respect da beast!😂
It is great to see how good Kung fu can be!
We need to see more stuff like this!
The first fighter of Mike Patterson on the 4:08 is not a Bagua guy. It's a girl.
The block/shoulder roll the wing chun guy did was the bong sao..
Thank you for posting something positive about Kung fu!
Yo guys,the Wing Chun dude here moves his feet well and more often than most Wing Chun practitioners I've seen online.
The "Bagua" moving in circles like that, is more than mind games... From what i see, it's fairly smart because it makes your opponent 2nd guess when to attack.. Its hard to hit moving targets... Its a stamina drainer though
Eclectic Cerebro bagua is 50% turning, if you can’t turn the circle low for over and hour your not training hard enough
@@youngmf6052 People are human.. Someone doing that, along with punching and kicking for 25 minutes and everyone gets tired.
@@youngmf6052 lol.. You have clearly missed my point but.... Ok
This was awesome! I always try to keep an open mind about various styles of martial arts because of videos like this that show that if you train right most fighting styles have really good aspects.
I fought full contact Sanshou in either 1999 or 2000. Back then there were still a lot of Chinese martial artists that wanted to prove themselves. Nowadays, anyone wanting that kind of experience goes straight for combat sports. It’s a shame really
First the feint, then the block from the boxer's left hook and left hand strike at the same time.
Wing Chun is famous for using both hand at the same time.
The Bagua practitioner walks around the opponent, because he doesn't want to be a stationary target. It is part of the Bagua style.
This is not 'evolved' WC, it's traditional text book WC. One thing to remember is that different lineages have different styles. 1000 more videos like this and maybe 1 MMA bonehead will see something useful in WC. Don't get too salty boys, it's just a prank.
Just a prank 🤪🤪🤪
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The first clip of the wing chun guy is exactly how I was trained to fight when I practiced wing chun. The footwork as well. My group had a huge emphasis on contact drills, managing force by feel and structured sparring. The stepping was right on too.
Been saying for a while,even before the UA-cam gen started videotaping EVERYTHING....There were Martial Arts. To assume that everything not mma isn't legit is ludicrous. This kind of training has always existed. Dudes have Always "tested" each other And JUST LIKE ALL THINGS IN LIFE; Some will be Skilled or good/effective AND MOST WONT BE.Most will be like most drivers,"OKAY"unless things get real difficult. That's called Human Nature.
Dorks, the guys you see slamming, punching and kicking the shit out of people at around the 5:40, 6:00 marks are Xing Yi guys. That's how real Xing Yi by people that apply plays out. It's a very direct, rough, brutal and sadistic martial art. Nothing to take lightly at all.
4:40 don't know how true this is but years ago I've heard from a bagua practitioner (good fighter too!) the sideways walk thing is a mark of someone not truly understanding bagua, supposedly it's meant to be used only as a training exercise and never as the basic "stance" in fights
I love that there's no cage in most of this. The cage makes grappling so much less powerful because it incentivizes people to run away and use the cage for support.
Agree. And rule set too
Good to see that chain punch works against double leg takedowns ,all you have to do is lowering your stance and punch right on his face while running away from the takedown with your footworks ,thats insane
Might work at the right moment but I wont list it down as a priority counter to a takedown
@@thedoubtfuls agree ,you have to be so fast and accurate at the same time to react on that takedowns
Finally, some good Wing Chun with correct stance and technique. Thanks Fight Commentary Breakdowns. I knew Wing Chun when done right, it is very good!
Jerry, have you ever said what style of Kung Fu you studied? I think I remember you saying that you did spar then.
Jerry the main man! Still have not come across any other top UA-camr who has shown and featured a variety of interests on their channels. Hey Jerry, when are you doing a video on the top babes from China? 😉.. Haha
Great video! Dont take anything i say as criticism of you, guys, Jerry and Rob.
Just cause people were boxing gloves that dont mean they are boxers. Many MANY of these “WC vs Boxing” are just random dudes with boxing gloves but no actual training in boxing. In this case we have a “boxer” who keeps his elbows flared out and shoots for double and sing-legs when he gets flustered? Im thinking the the tuna smells a little fishy down there lol. Also i will point out that when you guys were impressed at how the “boxer got lit up” he also landed an overhand right to the WC guys ear.
If i have comments on next fights i will make them in a reply.
Lei Tei Tournaments include Sanda fighters. One of the gyms i used to train at would go to a big LT tournament in Baltimore every year and it was a Sanda/Sanshou gym at heart, but it advertised as sanda, judo, bjj, and mma, and people with all kinds of different backgrounds were coaching there and training there. So SOME of those Lei Tei fighters have background in other styles.
This is how i remember MA's (not only traditional wushu) use to be back in the early 90's. Tough guys. Now i guess the main problem (for TMA's) is that tough guys sign up for MMA while guys who want to learn to do magic tricks sign up for TMA's classes.
If you want to improve your fighting skills, being a karate or kung fu practitioner, you might be the only one.
Very interesting!
@@FightCommentary At least in Argentina, of course.
Finally someone using kung fu and sticking to the principles loved watching this great wing chun!!
Those sidesteps are actually taught at the very beginning of your wing chun training (during the first form) in some schools, and at latest during the second form everywhere else (they are actually at the beginning of the second form). No serious Wing Chun practitioner is going to take a boxer straight on, changing the angle is the ESSENCE of Wing Chun. You are always going to lose to a boxer if you don't do that .... reason being the obvious fact that the sheer amount of power a boxer will generate is going to overrun you (which is what we've seen most of the time on youtube). That's why you have to change the angles through correct footwork.
So yes, it's not evolved WC, it's actually basic WC. I am not an expert in WC as I never even completed my training (never did the third form), but I did work on those steps from the beginning.
If some people don't teach them, then they are scammers, since they are clearly shown in chium kiu ....
Yes Wing Chun has evolved in many ways, but they all utilize the same moves which are essential moved in their forms. If you go to Francis Fong who learned Wing Chun straight from Bruce Lee himself, his style of Wing Chun has been changed to be more combative and fought in a side stance rather than the Kim yeung ma stance.
The commentator said always have an exit strategy: interesting how this fact applies to nearly everything in life, for instance and in particular, going into business partnership with friends, family or strangers alike! Wise up people 🙂
Hard style Wing Chun the move is called “bong sau” which is in the first form in Wing Chun Siu Lim Tao
I noticed that bong sau coming out, if you mean the first guy - actually worked well. Don’t see it much in these kind of fights.
Kuoshu/Guoshu (國術) is just the term used for Wushu (武術) from a Taiwan or HK background. Note the ROC flag at the convention center! Leitai Kuoshu actually has similar, but different rules from Sanda and you actually see a lot more TMA Kung Fu in that paradigm.
usksf.org/lei-tai/
As a practitioner of wing chun that has sparred a fair amount with Boxers and MMA fighters, I would say the first clip pretty accurately portrays the relationship between the two approaches. Although my one note is that the WC practitioner is leaving his guard open and letting his hands wander outside of where they should be a fair amount. Ultimately the boxer he is sparring with doesn't capitalize on these openings though.
The beauty of martial arts. Depending on where the people live, who they fight with, tradition, individual's mindset, one martial art can evolve and adapt.
Admin sir, what is in your opinion a good combination of martial art to learn? Example is boxing and bjj a good combination? Boxing is to have a good punching strikes and bjj is about to dominate the lower body part... this should be uhmm good right?? May i have an answer from you? Ive subbed you for many many years hope u can reply to this really bad questions of mine.
Boxing, wrestling or judo, and then BJJ or cacc.
@@FightCommentary thank you.
The "zig zag" footwork comes mainly from Southern dragon/lung Ying correct?
The southern styles have always seemed to be more practical than what originated in the north. But I am only basing this off of years of videos and books, and occasionally a sparring partner who had a king fu background.
Where can I find the original video? From the beginning of this video?
At 2:20 in this clip he does a tansau/punches at the same time, you guys saw it as a feint, but re-watch it and you'll see he's using tan say.
Great job finding this. Love this channel
Jerry & Rob - Modern Father of Kungfu
1st time I see wing chun work for real, respect !! love the footwork
This is the old school kung fu I remember. Great stuff
Boxer doesnt seem very skilled. But its kinda working
Very good video of Wing Chun. This was a good representation!
If this was a good representation than wing chung really is trash 💀.
The boxer reminds me of me when I first started boxing and got lit up with combos and bodyshots. (the guy I spar only had 2 months more than me). Fight commentary even said it themselves a good boxer would counter with a body shot.
that was awesome love this channel !!
00:26 jeans guy slips with his left foot, he's already falling before he's hit (or let's call it "grazed" as this is more appropriate than "hit" in this case) with anything.
These 90's Tournaments were a regular thing as I came up.THAT'S WHY I GET SO PISSED AT THE NAY SAYERS!! THERE WERE SOME BUMS BUT SOME GOOD FIGHTERS TOO and many, many knockouts. The Black dude in UFC 3 WAS CHAMP once and gave Ken Shamrock much trouble with no ground game. The New generation needs to know that people been getting fucked up WAAYYYYY before the UFC.This is NOTHING NEW.CALL UP BLACK BELT MAGAZINE and ask to check the archives.
Excellent use and awareness of broken rhythm by the Wing Chun practioner..
That was crazy the wing chung vs boxer guy . Super cool he even blocked
That first clip is the best use of wing Chun I've seen online. Non-linear movement. Still kinda stiff trapping and blocking really well.
Good to see some honest examples of kung-fu being exposed, can't wait to see more. Also noticed the slow but steady change in tone about kung-fu from FCB, glad to also see a non biased opinion lol
0:33 That's a bong sao, my favourite wing chun movement, Tony Ferguson uses it a lot, is an excelent movement to stop hard atacks and counterback
Glad that wing chun is well represented here.. and we can see how effective it can be.. good job in finding this vid sir..
I hate the glove difference, but I respect how that guy applied kung fu efficiently.
This is the first Wing Chun guy you guys have shown who actually sort of knows Wing Chun. The guys in China just simply don't.
Most likely because it is traditional. Outside of China other techniques which are not traditional are added
@@FirsteMann1929 The Ip Man lineages are far better than what remained in China(Pan Nam, etc.)- and then the Communists basically neutered all Chinese martial arts when they took over, only approving of Wushu. So Traditional Chinese martial arts pretty much suck inside China today.
Grt stuff, saw some of the hsingi footage long ago. There were bouts like this in Taiwan and China where they mixed in sanda and kungfu. But u had more fighters then, old guys who killed w hands in war, were in triad gang duels. When the old guys died, kungfu took even more of a nosedive.
I could be wrong, but the wing Chun guy's footwork is a trademark of the Dr.Leung Ting's system. He used to spell it WING TSUN and they had a break off. Again, I could be wrong, but the way the wing Chun guy seemed married to that footwork, looks like he came from that WT SCHOOL (which later fell into different factions).
Tai chi has a lot of "put the enemy's weight on one side and push" so I see how it would dominate this sport.
The reason why that Wing Chun guy was good is that he had something most Yip Man WC people don't: footwork.
My initial thought was:
jeans with white belt... yeah, you can't box, lol.
Turns out... 😄
A very talented Wing Chun artist. Would love to see him compete.
The “boxer” who boxes in jeans fucking hilarious.
"that guy is NOT a GOOD BOXER!!!"
-Keyboard Warriors
I so wish I could visit you guys to do some training, exchange some ideas and do some sparring with you.
I think is not Lei Tai , its Sanda Sanshou . You can knock him to the ground but do not continue the fight on the ground or hit him when he is down 3 points, you are allowed to push him from the ring 3 points. Jump kick 3 points , kick 2 points, , punch 1 point ! Other spectacular technique 3 point ! You have to punch 3 to maximum 5 time but you must include a kick (even low kick) .If you do only boxing you will lose points . I hope I remember correct the rules . If you touch the ground with one hand after a push or something you will lose 3 points , they consider you are finished with a kick in your face ... . Everyone is allowed to use: boxing, bagua, Hsing Yi, Shaolin, Wudang, wrestling, judo, etc ....
Can't BELIEVE you guys DON'T know MIKE PATTERSON and the devastating art of Xingyi (also spelt Hsing-i)!!
in my opinion that guy look masterful is because his opponent are bad,
now before you attacking me, i'm not saying he's a bad fighter, it's just sometimes
sometimes even you're very good but your opponent is far better than you, he can make you look like an amateur. and vice versa,
if you're just meh okay but your opponent is far worse than you, you'll look great in that fight.
Very true!
Well considering many think kungfu is less effective in a fight than marathon running, I think the boxers skills are fair enough
@@thedoubtfuls thats bullshit
Great video, but you are misinformed. The takedowns come from kung fu, you see it in Sanda all the time in competition. No wrestling background, just kung fu .
Lmao why is the ad mafumafu's sacrifice. Didnt skip it tho
FINALLY!! Wing Chun isn't for everyone, but at least this proves that it is not a bullshido
For some reason, good Wing Chun seems to only be found outside of China.
I was gonna say the same thing. I think its because western cultures seem to be much more open to sparring. When you see these Chinese guys, they seem to have practiced the moves but never actually tried it vs a live opponent who fights back. So when they actually fight, all the technique goes out the window. Trying to learn to fight without sparring is like trying to learn to swim on dry land
Cultural Revolution might've had something to do with it...
@@BWater-yq3jx Unlikely. Wing chun flourished in Hong Kong, which was not affected by the Cultural Revolution.
@@elenchus True. In my mind I was including the period from when the CCP came to power in 1949, and lots of martial arts masters left china. Including Ip Man, who returned to Hong Kong.
@@BWater-yq3jx That's true, but Ip Man only lived under Maoist rule for a year, so virtually all of his training (and teaching) was outside of Maoist influence. And, at any rate, the major crackdown on Chinese culture, including martial arts, didn't begin until '66.
I think the big disconnect between the effectiveness of wing chun and the expectations for wing chun is that wing chun was likely one of hundreds of obscure, locally taught styles, each of which marketed itself as the best fighting style of all time. Wing chun differed from these others because it accidentally created the ultimate marketing vessel in Bruce Lee, exposing the once-esoteric style to hundreds of millions of people. Bruce Lee's contact with wing chun was brief, and he could have just as easily done some other style, which would now be regarded as the ultimate style of fighting.
Because of its newfound notoriety, people naturally expected the fame of the martial art to match its fighting prowess. After all, this is why we know of styles like Muay Thai and BJJ, formerly obscure styles to most of the world but now household names because of their success.
But I think that was probably the wrong instinct. Wing chun had no more claim to be an elite fighting style than any other style of kung fu that we've never heard of, most of which are now long-dead, never to be studied again.
these guys are trained for combat, unlike those old men and others whom xu xiaotong fought i think those are just martial arts style trainers but not trained to be martial arts combat fighters in the ring like these guys in this video are? so i think Wingchun or any types of Kung fu need to revamp and start building their combat 1on1 fighting techniques for the octagon or the boxing ring just like what MMA (mixed martial arts are build created for)
Awesome, Kung Fu people should do this more often.
I have been readying coments and i'm in love with that comunity. There are not irracional Wing Chun hate. One of the videos where a Wing Chun guy does a good work, and there aren't a lot of stupids saying that's due to the boxer sucks
Apparently boards don’t hit back. That’s why I always fight boards, I’m 36-0 so far, all by KO 👍
Ok cool so if you ever lose let us know eh
The movement is kind of slow(could be just a controlled sparing session) and that is the reason why the Wing Chun got a chance.
Now that is wing Chun. So fast 💪
Are you saying this is out of Kuwait?
WOO that parry was fucking on point.
If wing Chun didn't evolve, we would never have Jeet kun do
best cmment, so much people dont know material art, but talk like a pro, no matter how good mma right now, the root is traditional material art
aditiya susanto well said brother !
@@amitsukhram2352 yes bro, there is no comparison betwen old and new, its just matter they're evolve, like you said. because old style only focuse in one way strike, its really rare to find oldstyle that have full packet striking technik(punch, kick, clinch and ground fight) , but as a fighter we always learn more and more to complete our fighting skill, for example, striker style learn how to grapple and grappler learn about boxing, thats the real deal about material art, its not what you learn, its about how long you'll train to complete your skill and improve them
Great footwork by the Wing Chun guy in the first video.
If you're interested in how Wing Chun can evolve look at what jkd does with it plz!!!
OMG!! I think that was me back in 98’ if this was in Timonium md.? 6:50 of this clip, 2nd fight of the day. I won 1st fight by decision. I was totally drained by the time I hit the Lei tai mat that night. No excuses I got my ass handed to me. Oh and that side slam didn’t hurt it was the kick in the head that did🤪
There was a Ukrainian WC guy from the same lineage as me. He couldn’t speak much English but he told me to “Kick ass”! Lol nice guy /beast!, I believe he was middleweight and he won that division. Damn near KO’d all his opponents. That weekend was a hell of a experience. It was a bit disorganized. Call your name then say na, go back and wait? Happened like 3x that day. End of the night organizers say “come back tomorrow your the 1st fight”. I’m dressed and headed home, guy comes running to the lobby “he man your up”??! 😩.... Still I definitely needed more sparring time. I came out dry and just unfocused until I caught that head kick by the time I woke up fight was over. I’ve never seen the footage until now. I really wanted that fight back. I did everything wrong, bull rushing with chain punches and I didn’t have contact at all🤷🏾♂️ I was pissed, but Live and learn. My opponent was game from start of the bell.
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Will do.
At 4:09 I believe that’s called a Bong Sao.
Those fights were awesome
You want to know a solid kung fu style? CHOY LAY FUT! That stuff is legit!
Western wing chun practitioners spar a lot and on an intense level. That really makes the difference.