I'm sure it has to do with him being past his physical prime while in wwe. He's done great rekindling that fire he previous had in aew, however his wwe run did not have insane expectations from many given his age.
"And then, the bell rang" was the best description of the Steiner HHH match you could say without getting into a rant. I wholeheartedly agree with this review of the buildup and match.
There could be a wrestler with the mat skills of Bret Hart, the high flying of Rey Mysterio, the mic skills of Rock and Austin and the muscles of Ultimate Warrior (except naturally) who is 100% dedicated and loyal. Vince could be given that guy and he would still bury the hell out of him (usually with terrible comedy skits)
If Bischoff hadn't created havoc with the nWo, Austin, Rock and HHH would've remained of the Golden Era mold, and not the attitudinal guys we know them as.
One of the big differences between WWE and WCW is that WCW would bring in stars from the WWE and immediately try to put them over by beating WCW stars. WWE would bring in WCW stars and use them to get their existing talent over.
Vince really gave Diamond Dallas Page a massive bad run! The guy was one of the best in wcw and wwe treated him like a chump... so disappointed I thought they would have gave him at least one wwf/e title run same with steiner but the vince mcmahon way... bury as many wcw guys as possible
"And then, the bell rang..."" Adam's transition from #6 to #5 was freaking great. No need to explain Scott's detailed WWE run from the Rumble until his release lol
Luger wasn't a decent enough wrestler to begin with & Vince actually did try to push him in 93'(I guess) but soon realised he was just built well, he didn't have the tools to succeed in the ring. I believe I read/heard somewhere that only Bret Hart could get a decent enough match out of him because of Bret's own ability
The wwe video game makers knew how good Ultimo Dragon was. I remember playing Here Comes the Pain before I even knew who he was and he used to beat the shit out of everyone lmao
@@chihollywood9379 even if he won a match or two he wouldn't have gone far because everyone would be thinking "he stalked Taker's wife" whilst watching the show. The part that buried DDP was the fact that a Non Wrestler pinned him in that story.
@@gordonjamescowiest but if he wasn't completely buried he coulda moved past that angle and da motivational speaker(although talk about 4shadowing) gimmick was stupid also
If I had to guess at the rationale for not including Sting, he was like 54 when he debuted. Realistically there was not a lot he could do, that said AEW has worked pretty well around that.
On other videos Sin cara (the original) had issues backstage and asked for the match with del rio to be stopped due to his broken finger in which the locker room didn’t like. Then after a while hunico took over the sin cara persona in wwe
DDP was imo the worst, because he was my favorite WCW guy, along with Sting, who was also used horribly, when be finally made it over in 2104/2016(?). They both had(DDP) and continue to have(Sting) a great spot/run in AEW
So Ricky Steamboat and Scott Hall make it ahead of the likes of Harley Race, Sandman, Gail Kim and Sting? Steamboat and Hall (as Razor Ramon) had great "WWE Runs" so counting return spells is pretty spurious reasoning because if those are considered valid for a spot on the list then Ultimate Warrior is ahead of both by a country mile. I mean Gail Kim had two awful runs with the WWE so, again, would be more worthy of a spot over Steamboat and Hall as she fits all the apparent criteria...
You weren't kidding when you said *Legendary*. These are names you just know even if you started watching wrestling in, say, the 2010s. I would have just assumed their WWE runs were stellar, but here we are.
It does matter. At times, he'll use their success for spite. Or spite them for their success. Funny enough, now Ultimo is one of the men slated for the Triplemania Mask vs Mask tournament. Rumor was it DDP tried to plan out their matches, which he was want to do, and Taker didn't take kindly to that.
I knew Scott Hall, Scott Steiner & Goldberg were gonna be on this list but I forgot about Dr Death Steve Williams. I always thought the Dr Death Vs Stone Cold match would be battle of the Steve Williams since Steve Austin was still called Steve Williams legally then (born Steve Williams actually he wasn’t he got the Williams name when his mother remarried and the husband adopted Steve giving him the Williams name. Anyway it wasn’t until some time in the 2000’s he changed his name legally to Steve Austin)
goldberg had nobody to blame but himself. if the only way you can get over is to destroy everyone in front of you, you're not much use. especially when the streak had been done already. steiner was pushed from the word go, but his wrestling ability had gone. the two matches with hhh were abysmal and it was mostly down to him (i'm sure his injuries didn't help)
Sabu Sandman Scott Steiner Balls Mahoney Mike Awesome Sandman Jerry Lynn Tommy Dreamer Taz Rhyno DDP Justin Credible Kronik Perry Saturn Dean Milenko Buff Bagwell All are guys who shoulda been way bigger in WWE
Goldberg first run in the company wasn't really that disappointing he accomplished quite a bit in a short period of time winning the world championship beating the game 2 times in a row for the title beating the rock in his debut beating lesnar clean at mania and of course going 1 and 0 an mania
How the F do you do THIS list and not top it off with STING?!?!?!? Steve Borden was woefully mismanaged in wwe and his fears were confirmed at his one Wrestlemania appearance, a loss to hhh. Bleck! He did get a shot at the title. But he was never gonna get the BIG PUSH someone of his caliber deserved for one reason; vince would ALWAYS see a big WCW tattooed on his face and vkm could never abide that.
@@TheForeverRanger AEW also has little to no Concussion/Injury protocol. Sting was a liability. I have 100% complete faith that Vince was going to use Sting as the legend he is. He uses part timers and legends a lot. Sting got horribly injured and became a liability. If Vince let Sting wrestle and he got paralyzed in ring then the Blame would fall on vince
Because before the nation he was just far Farooq ashad thank God for the nation because he was a top tier WCW guy but WCW fucked him and butch reed over too
Of the 2 Fabulous Freebirds that were in WWF/WWE neither wrestled more than a handful of matches they were Michael Hayes who was mostly used as commentator and manager and Terry Gordy who was The Executioner and had only 1 WWF/WWE pay per view match against The Undertaker .
WWF in 1993 was pretty good for both Steiners after all they won the Tag Team title twice sadly it all fell apart after they lost the bels to the Quebecers in that ridiculous Province De Quebec rules match . Sadly Scott didn't do too well in his second run either .
Havent watched the video yet but I'm sure this list is gonna have a lot of former WCW stars on it especially DDP....that was clearly a burial, he was made to look weak even got pinned by takers wife, lost every match to him and kane. Come on now a former champ and a man that was getting pops, one of the most over wrestlers between 97-2000 treated like that was terrible but hey the whole invasion storyline was terrible anyway......I dnt get why scott hall on here let's face it the nwo definitely was about to run rough shot in wwe like they did in wcw plus hogan face turn ended the nwo storyline
Had Ricky not taken time off, I really feel he would have held Honky Tonk man's longest IC title reign and at least a single run as the WWE champion .My dad is half asian and was a big steamboat fan due to sharing the same roots, said that WWE's reluctance of having an East asian or japanese descended wrestler as the wwe champion is tracable from Steamboat rejecting them
I REALLY don't understand why Goldberg keeps making these type of lists. Sting should've had his spot. As far as Dr. Death (R.I.P.), in WWF's defense, he was already passed his prime in '98.
Sabu wasn't main event material and as for Scott steiner at one point yes he was main event material but not really when he came back to wwe and they pushed him way to fast in wwe giving him that main event spot repeatedly and immediately after joining wwe they should of atleast given his character more time to build
And I'll always be puzzled by how WWE treated these guys. They bring them in pay em top dollar and commence to kill everything that made special to begin with. Never smart to devalue your own product.
Everyone complaining about these set of wcw wrestlers underutilized in wwe, but they tend to forget that goldberg, ric flair, rey mysterio, eddie Guerrero, jericho, benoit, booker t, etc were also wcw guys and not vince mcmahon creation yet were successful in wwe..yet to some extent i agree wwe did wrong with guys like ddp, sting, ultimo but completely going with wwe burying wcw guys is bogus, vince underutilises his wwe guys also..
I’m surprised Sting wasn’t on number 1 let alone the list.
I'm sure it has to do with him being past his physical prime while in wwe. He's done great rekindling that fire he previous had in aew, however his wwe run did not have insane expectations from many given his age.
And yet his run in AEW has been much better despite being even older.
@@101Youfail true but kind of like I said, who had the expectation that sting was going to do THIS well? I'd venture a guess and say not many.
Nah. Vader had it worse than Sting.
The fact Ultimo Dragon is on this list makes me happy. Dude deserves way more props
Way more props! Dudes got more belts than there is pants in my dresser drawer!
Tru Robb Graves
@@matthewlane518 lol
Best cruiserweight wrestler of all time. He was so over in wcw. Especially 96 and 97
I remember wrestling with him all the time on here comes the pain
"And then, the bell rang" was the best description of the Steiner HHH match you could say without getting into a rant.
I wholeheartedly agree with this review of the buildup and match.
Ultimo Dragon was the first wrestler to come to mind when I saw the title of this video. You didn't disappoint. Thank you.
No one knows how to ruin a great wrestler's career quite like Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
There could be a wrestler with the mat skills of Bret Hart, the high flying of Rey Mysterio, the mic skills of Rock and Austin and the muscles of Ultimate Warrior (except naturally) who is 100% dedicated and loyal. Vince could be given that guy and he would still bury the hell out of him (usually with terrible comedy skits)
But Vince is also responsible for some of the biggest names in wrestling history
@@Phoenixbrand95 I’d argue Vince snuffed more careers rather than make careers, be it purposefully and directly or vice versa
If Bischoff hadn't created havoc with the nWo, Austin, Rock and HHH would've remained of the Golden Era mold, and not the attitudinal guys we know them as.
@@Phoenixbrand95 most of these names got over in SPITE of Vince not because.
One of the big differences between WWE and WCW is that WCW would bring in stars from the WWE and immediately try to put them over by beating WCW stars. WWE would bring in WCW stars and use them to get their existing talent over.
Vince really gave Diamond Dallas Page a massive bad run! The guy was one of the best in wcw and wwe treated him like a chump... so disappointed I thought they would have gave him at least one wwf/e title run same with steiner but the vince mcmahon way... bury as many wcw guys as possible
"And then, the bell rang..."" Adam's transition from #6 to #5 was freaking great. No need to explain Scott's detailed WWE run from the Rumble until his release lol
“I’VE WRESTLED A LOT OF COUNTRIES”
Not finished it but Sting has to be number 1
No sting in the list🥲
In a darker timeline we'd have Omega on this list. Would hate to think about that.
Honorable mentions, in my opinion, go out to Sting and Lex Luger
Definitely Sting
Luger wasn't a decent enough wrestler to begin with & Vince actually did try to push him in 93'(I guess) but soon realised he was just built well, he didn't have the tools to succeed in the ring. I believe I read/heard somewhere that only Bret Hart could get a decent enough match out of him because of Bret's own ability
What about Barry Windham? The Widowmaker? The stalker? The new blackjacks? That NWA thing ..yeah not good
The wwe video game makers knew how good Ultimo Dragon was. I remember playing Here Comes the Pain before I even knew who he was and he used to beat the shit out of everyone lmao
Finn Balor jumps to mind. Or more accurately, falls off the top rope to mind.
I mean NXT is part of WWE and he did a lot there. And has had a few main event teases that's better than a lot of others
Gail Kim also should be mentioned on this list if you ask me.
The main reason why DDP WWE run failed is, How do you be a face after being in a Stalker storyline? You can't.
Or, just don't bring him in as a stalker.
Da stalker angle coulda worked if he wasnt buried n EVERY match against Taker
@@chihollywood9379 even if he won a match or two he wouldn't have gone far because everyone would be thinking "he stalked Taker's wife" whilst watching the show. The part that buried DDP was the fact that a Non Wrestler pinned him in that story.
@@gordonjamescowiest that also. Bogus asf 2 let Taker wife pin him
@@gordonjamescowiest but if he wasn't completely buried he coulda moved past that angle and da motivational speaker(although talk about 4shadowing) gimmick was stupid also
“ And then the bell rang….”
“Number 6 :Goldberg “🤣🤣🤣
DDP, Kenta and EC3 are first that comes to mind for me...
Ec3 disappointing wwe run? yes. A legend? No
EC3 was a medium size fish in a small pond in TNA I wouldn't call him a legend
EC3 was even a good Impact Champion & definitely not a legend 🤣🤣
Title says legends bro when ec3 became a legend lol
If I had to guess at the rationale for not including Sting, he was like 54 when he debuted. Realistically there was not a lot he could do, that said AEW has worked pretty well around that.
Exactly. It's not like he was going to come in and be a consistent main eventer at that time or anything.
First wrestler I thought of when I saw the title was Gail Kim
The whole time leading to #1 I was thinking what about Vader? Well done.
Steiner was a beast my favorite wrestler ever best physique and loved his character and rants on the mic
What about the following:
1. Sting
2. Lex Luger
3. Sin Cara
4. Mr. Perfect (2002 run)
5. Rob Van Dam (2013 run)
On other videos Sin cara (the original) had issues backstage and asked for the match with del rio to be stopped due to his broken finger in which the locker room didn’t like. Then after a while hunico took over the sin cara persona in wwe
@@christianvega4458 I was referring to the original one, not Hunico. That's what I meant.
RVD was never going to get another chance at
being champion after messing up his first
chance so bad 🤣🤣
Seriously the fact that Ultimo Dragon is pretty lost to time at this point is a travesty. He did so much for the style.
He's still remembered by WCW fans of a certain age. Plus he's still wrestling today!
The way they buried DDP was just hard to watch
DDP was past his prime when he was WCW champion though 🤣🤣🤣
The only fans that didn't know who Dr. Death was were ones that had only ever watched WWF.
Like me. I know now that he did a lot in the territories and Japan but I'd never heard of him until JR introduced him on Raw.
Vaders WWF "push" was criminal...
DDP make me famous was a amazing idea and they jobed him out very sad
Agree. I’m an old school Vader fan. Even saw him live in WCW. Absolutely wasted by WWE. RIP.
It was his own fault though
Vader had a better run in the WWE than most.
Vader had the best one out of the list, he would not be on any kind of list like this if he had won the Championship if only for a month
Great list!
I am really surprised this sting didn't make the list
Goldberg was also a nightmare to deal with in the WWE from everything that’s been heard, including in Jericho’s second book.
Really? Could you explain how he was a nightmare?
Yeah need to know ...
That thumbnail is pure gold
Sting not being here will be a question for the ages
Commenting on the first statement made in this video: If it didn’t make Vince money he don’t care, I respect it 🤴🏼
DDP was imo the worst, because he was my favorite WCW guy, along with Sting, who was also used horribly, when be finally made it over in 2104/2016(?). They both had(DDP) and continue to have(Sting) a great spot/run in AEW
So Ricky Steamboat and Scott Hall make it ahead of the likes of Harley Race, Sandman, Gail Kim and Sting? Steamboat and Hall (as Razor Ramon) had great "WWE Runs" so counting return spells is pretty spurious reasoning because if those are considered valid for a spot on the list then Ultimate Warrior is ahead of both by a country mile.
I mean Gail Kim had two awful runs with the WWE so, again, would be more worthy of a spot over Steamboat and Hall as she fits all the apparent criteria...
You weren't kidding when you said *Legendary*. These are names you just know even if you started watching wrestling in, say, the 2010s. I would have just assumed their WWE runs were stellar, but here we are.
Y'all saying Dr death not being known in the US in '98 is one of the most laughable things y'all have said.
It does matter. At times, he'll use their success for spite. Or spite them for their success.
Funny enough, now Ultimo is one of the men slated for the Triplemania Mask vs Mask tournament.
Rumor was it DDP tried to plan out their matches, which he was want to do, and Taker didn't take kindly to that.
"And then the bell rang"
*cuts to next person*
Calling it now before watching, Vader & Sting are on here.
I knew Scott Hall, Scott Steiner & Goldberg were gonna be on this list but I forgot about Dr Death Steve Williams. I always thought the Dr Death Vs Stone Cold match would be battle of the Steve Williams since Steve Austin was still called Steve Williams legally then (born Steve Williams actually he wasn’t he got the Williams name when his mother remarried and the husband adopted Steve giving him the Williams name. Anyway it wasn’t until some time in the 2000’s he changed his name legally to Steve Austin)
awesome Kong is a good shout
Surprised Sting isn't on there
The Big show, Simon Dean AKA Nova, Stevie Richards, shinsuke Nakamura, PAC, the good Brothers
Sting not being on this list is absolutely ridiculous imo
I thought EC3 had the look and skill but wasn’t able to really show it
False. He didnt have "the beeeeef" along with being 6 foot 5.
Vince McMahon cannot respect anyone smaller than him. But Vince McMahon loves huge men.
@@pablowoods1848 be was 6’1?
@@pablowoods1848 he was like 6’2 and jacked. Around the same size as Cena. Vince just soured on him quick
@@CornerstoneArts22 EC3 is 6 foot 2 like Kane (6 foot 7) is 7 feet tall.
@@pablowoods1848 And Kane spent most of his years as an enhancement talent. Vince has always preferred guys 6’1-6’5 as his top attractions.
good video
Ron Garvin should be on here
Haven't watched, but should have Vader, Sting, DDP, Ultimo Dragon, and Steiner.
goldberg had nobody to blame but himself. if the only way you can get over is to destroy everyone in front of you, you're not much use. especially when the streak had been done already.
steiner was pushed from the word go, but his wrestling ability had gone. the two matches with hhh were abysmal and it was mostly down to him (i'm sure his injuries didn't help)
Sting?
Ron Simmons?
Dean Malenko?
Vader and DDP were booked terribly.
Sabu
Sandman
Scott Steiner
Balls Mahoney
Mike Awesome
Sandman
Jerry Lynn
Tommy Dreamer
Taz
Rhyno
DDP
Justin Credible
Kronik
Perry Saturn
Dean Milenko
Buff Bagwell
All are guys who shoulda been way bigger in WWE
Ron Simmons is another.
Putting guys who couldn't wrestler for shit like Sandman Balls & Bagwell on this like makes it completely invalid
Sandman ? Dude can’t wrestle
Never was a big fan of Sabu as a worker but the look is so good
It's STIIIIIIING!
Sabu: You can't fire me i quit, he saw that the wwe wasn't going to be a good time and said fuck it
Thought Sting would be on the list
Goldberg first run in the company wasn't really that disappointing he accomplished quite a bit in a short period of time winning the world championship beating the game 2 times in a row for the title beating the rock in his debut beating lesnar clean at mania and of course going 1 and 0 an mania
Razor and DDP runs were definitely hugely disappointing they definitely deserved far better than what they did
How is Sting not on this list?
Injustice for the Rhodes for Dustin and Cody
I think wwe didn't do any justice to dusty Rhodes with the polka dots
#1...isnt sting?
The picture of ricky steamboat with the fire is so…fire 🙂
No pun intended
How the F do you do THIS list and not top it off with STING?!?!?!? Steve Borden was woefully mismanaged in wwe and his fears were confirmed at his one Wrestlemania appearance, a loss to hhh. Bleck! He did get a shot at the title. But he was never gonna get the BIG PUSH someone of his caliber deserved for one reason; vince would ALWAYS see a big WCW tattooed on his face and vkm could never abide that.
Sting was in his 50s, they used him as a novelty and that's what he appeared as.
Thank fucking G-d for AEW allowing him to go out on his own terms.
@@TheForeverRanger AEW also has little to no Concussion/Injury protocol. Sting was a liability. I have 100% complete faith that Vince was going to use Sting as the legend he is. He uses part timers and legends a lot. Sting got horribly injured and became a liability. If Vince let Sting wrestle and he got paralyzed in ring then the Blame would fall on vince
Goldberg has became champion since then.... Sting was a liability
Vader, Ron Simmons (before apa), raven, Harley race
Simmons was good in the Nation at least.
Talking about before the nation
Because before the nation he was just far Farooq ashad thank God for the nation because he was a top tier WCW guy but WCW fucked him and butch reed over too
Race was way past his prime when he joined WWE
Vader was an idiot and got himself arrested in Kuwait. No wonder he didn't get a push
Honorable Mentions: Harley Race; Lex Luger; The Fabulous Freebirds
Harley Race was way past his prime
Of the 2 Fabulous Freebirds that were in WWF/WWE neither wrestled more than a handful of matches they were Michael Hayes who was mostly used as commentator and manager and Terry Gordy who was The Executioner and had only 1 WWF/WWE pay per view match against The Undertaker .
@@mjstory1976 he absolutely was
@@robertclark2253 so even separately, the Freebirds' run (if it can be considered as such) was overwhelmingly disappointed
@@chrishollister80 Pretty much .
What about raven
... steiner was not a good wrestler by this time. He was down to clotheslines and supplexes only. His promo skills were never that great ...
Clearly you are no maths scholar
Umm STING 🦂!!
Every former WCW wrestler ever, minus Booker T.
Even Booker T never fulfilled his full potential in WWE.
compared to his full potential, he should be an honorable mention on the list
Austin? Jericho? HHH? And if we really want to push it, The Undertaker??
That's cute that you think that is true
Good try kid 🤣
Why does Adam sound different?
I was expecting Sting and Harley Race at numbers 1 and 2… They didn’t even make the top 10!
Harley Race was wayyy past his prime
I hope Shinsuke Nakamura is gonna be here
WWF in 1993 was pretty good for both Steiners after all they won the Tag Team title twice sadly it all fell apart after they lost the bels to the Quebecers in that ridiculous Province De Quebec rules match . Sadly Scott didn't do too well in his second run either .
Havent watched the video yet but I'm sure this list is gonna have a lot of former WCW stars on it especially DDP....that was clearly a burial, he was made to look weak even got pinned by takers wife, lost every match to him and kane. Come on now a former champ and a man that was getting pops, one of the most over wrestlers between 97-2000 treated like that was terrible but hey the whole invasion storyline was terrible anyway......I dnt get why scott hall on here let's face it the nwo definitely was about to run rough shot in wwe like they did in wcw plus hogan face turn ended the nwo storyline
Rip Vader
RVD should have been a long time champion
That was rvd's fault man got caught with weed as a dual champion
@@ignaciomendoza1 that's true. I guess I just wish he didn't get busted. Then we could have seen him dominate the main event for a year or two
@@ignaciomendoza1 they didn't have to take the belt off him and he should've won it way before he did.
Had Ricky not taken time off, I really feel he would have held Honky Tonk man's longest IC title reign and at least a single run as the WWE champion .My dad is half asian and was a big steamboat fan due to sharing the same roots, said that WWE's reluctance of having an East asian or japanese descended wrestler as the wwe champion is tracable from Steamboat rejecting them
Sting?
Yeah vader has to be #1.
Ultimo Dragon signs.
"LeTs gEt hIm tO gO mAsKlEsS"
The person who suggested this should have been fired instantly.
Kerry Von Eric should be on this list.
You guys know you kinda cheated on this list right?
Ultimo dragon deserved more
Come on goldberg is a WWE legend 20year on n off
No Mistico?
I REALLY don't understand why Goldberg keeps making these type of lists. Sting should've had his spot. As far as Dr. Death (R.I.P.), in WWF's defense, he was already passed his prime in '98.
Sabu wasn't main event material and as for Scott steiner at one point yes he was main event material but not really when he came back to wwe and they pushed him way to fast in wwe giving him that main event spot repeatedly and immediately after joining wwe they should of atleast given his character more time to build
Mistico aka Sin Cara had also a very disappointing run
And I'll always be puzzled by how WWE treated these guys. They bring them in pay em top dollar and commence to kill everything that made special to begin with. Never smart to devalue your own product.
Brian Pillman 🤔
Everyone complaining about these set of wcw wrestlers underutilized in wwe, but they tend to forget that goldberg, ric flair, rey mysterio, eddie Guerrero, jericho, benoit, booker t, etc were also wcw guys and not vince mcmahon creation yet were successful in wwe..yet to some extent i agree wwe did wrong with guys like ddp, sting, ultimo but completely going with wwe burying wcw guys is bogus, vince underutilises his wwe guys also..
Problem with scott stiner, He is not a baby face. In wcw and others he is a Giant heel and never changed but wwe just shot him up for no reason
The Ultimo Shockmaster
I agree Goldberg didn’t have a great first run in WWE, but his second run was better
Scott stainer is losaar