Training judo, Jiu Jitsu and wrestling has made me love martial arts even more. Learning each style then integrating them during sparring makes learning addicting.
@@mello2238 I train in striking arts too. If it’s multiple I just run 🏃♂️. One on one I am capable, but I also have to assess my surrounding and also if the opponent has a potential weapon on hand seen or unseen
The last guys are both modern Karate (Shotokan based) . No judo involved , the throws are done in competition followed by punch (and it's quite common in the last 2 decades). First guy was Kyokushin , after his guard.
Exactly, the two kids were definitely BOTH shotokan karatekas. But for some reason people think if there is takedowns involved it is not karate, that is what movies do to people minds.
I was gonna mention this but someone beat me to the punch. Those takedowns are very often drilled for point sparring in shotokan karate. There are a few takedowns/throws that are part of the shotokan curriculum (they're all detailed in Funakoshi's Karate-do Kyohan, including the one that surprised me the most, which is basically your good old pile driver), but most gyms very rarely or never train them. A takedown + follow-up hit is actually scored highly, although most point karateka tend to focus more on sweeps than above the hip throws as those are often disallowed depending on the ruleset.
Combine even the most basic striking repertoire with a library of minimal-gi judo throws and submissions and already you will have an absolute monster.
@@oooooda3213 Even in the all Japan JKA you will see takedown Shotkan ryu, wado ryu, shoto ryu have grapling and take down from the kata, and practice Ashi Barai is the base.
Motivated me to sign up to judo. have always been a boxer and a lot of stuff ends up in a clinch type position. Judo with boxing (especially a swarmer or in fighter) is GOAT.
@@dirtyharry5957 by this point, grappling is just at another level to older GJJ as well. It combines the best of all grappling including judo, wrestling, catch wrestling, and even new innovations. i think jigoro kano would've loved it.
Especially in non full contact or other rules,the striker has to go for full contact knock out or crippling blow or the grappler has a distinct advantage to be able to get a grip. Usually every contest, even UFC there are rules limiting areas to strike like no knees or kicks to opponent on the ground, or elbow to back of the head , etc. But in no rules, a striker can hit back of the head, spine, eyes, throat, groin, best to know both like hapkido
Even in real life in most brawls, at least 70% of the time we are dealing with some form of grappling.. so yeah it's really important to have a good amount of understanding so you can add to your ever growing arsenal..
Which one to learn? I want to learn it mostly for self defense and have no classes nearby, I'll be relying on internet only, I don't have anyone else to try the advanced joint locks yet, in case I do get to the ground, I need to be able to defend myself, so which one is easier to pick up and learn as a individual practitioner? Judo, jiu jutsu or bjj? Or something else?
@@blackpurple9163 if you want to get better at street fighting do judo. If you want to have fun do bjj. Neither will save you against weapons or multiple opponents
@@gbogdanove I'm not talking about multiple opponents, just 1, I want something that's effective and fast at shutting down an opponent when it's going to the ground, because the faster I finish the ground fight, the faster I can get to safety, so judo is better for self defense in this regard?
I've seen those three judo vs karate vids, they are awesome ( though I'm pretty sure the last one is just karate grappling ) And the MMA fight was awesome. I subscribed to the dudes channel ☺️.
Just to say how much I enjoy your vids, you are obviously pretty knowledgable but its your clear enjoyment of what you do that really shines out in your enthusiastic commentry and makes this channel so watchable. Cheers mate, all the best.
it's nice to see that there are still judokas who use atemi-waza, although I didn't know that there were competitions like this between karateka and judoka, but it's understandable considering that karate has time-limited grappling. I hope that these kinds of competitions will become more frequent as judo is slowly turning into sumo
Pretty sure the last fight is Shotokan. There are throws and take downs in karate. Not all styles but Shoto has them and Wado (being a blend of shoto and JJ) has a large amount of grappling and take downs and locks.
As a judoka, I am very confident as long as the opp has a jacket to grab onto. I will go as far as to say I can reliably win against any beginner even if they are strongman competitors (all types of wrestlers excluded). It's just too easy to get a sleeve grip and it's game over after that. In no-gi however, though I'm decent I can't be as sure
Saudações nobre amigo... o judô é uma arte completa pois envolve Esporte filosofia e defesa pessoal... tem muitas técnicas de judô que dá para fazer sem utilizar casaco ou o judogui. Sou instrutor de defesa pessoal com formação e judô e quando eu ministrava aulas de defesa pessoal para profissionais de segurança privada ensinei muitas adaptações de controle arremesso e finalizações.
Pure Kyokushin's weakness against Judo is that some Kyokushin guys love to get in close and just hit their opponents with body punches and surprise head kicks. Problem is, that is exactly the range that basically gives Judo a free throw if the Kyokushin guy doesn't train any grappling.
Final fight is a Karate vs Karate points match. It is not judo but of course owes a huge debt to traditional Jiu Jitsu and likely Judo also. In the UK and Ireland for example this type of points fighting is often seen. Karate styles like Shotokan are exactly like this and Wado Ryu which has a base in traditional Jiu Jitsu displays this type of striking into takedown, sweep or throw. A perfect example of this style is Lyoto Machida the former UFC champion. Judo is great but it’s a lot easier to take a guy down when you have already softened him up with a punch in the teeth. The hooking kick is called a hook kick btw 😊 great breakdown video, v interesting.
Great stuff as always! I was wondering if you had checked out Goju Ryu irikumi? From the videos I have seen, it appears to be okinawan karate with mma rules! You might enjoy checking it out!
The last fight was a Karate match aka Kumite back when throws were allowed in WKF rules. Rules are different depending of the organization/style (JKA for example). It still are allowed but by only grabbing with one hand, which sucks, so not many practitioners do. That kick that resembles some kind of scorpion kick its called Ura Mawashi Geri.
The thing thats so great about judo is u dont have to only do judo u can get good at strikin and as soon as someone close enough to clinch u throw them sp u can control the distamce and control them when they get too close
last throwing clip is sport karate these throws and sweeps are allowed in modern kumite also that gun shell is called ura mawashi geri/hook kick, youre welcome :)
Would be intresting if there was one or more of these with one of the karate people who learns the throws/grappling in karate. Or maybe not a comlletely astardised wado ryu. (Formers probbly more likely) Just to see if grappling as a secondary would work out better
Judo is one of the best martial arts along with Wrestling, bjj, kickboxing and Muay Thai. The only problem is that it is too dangerous to use. The technique of throwing on the concrete floor can cripple or even kill the opponent. So they are taught never to fight with normal people on street. One of my friends is a professional judo player. He said he can decide which part to hit when throwing an opponent to the floor. He also said that he is trained to block punches and kicks. He said that once the opponent is wearing any kind of clothing, he can knock the opponent to the ground. He once had a fight with professional taekwondo players, and he said he was able to subdue 3 people with judo alone.
There are two professional judo players around me, one is average and one is tall. However, both are broad-shouldered and muscular and thick. so they are not of a physique that ordinary people would try to fight. I've heard about their training. they train with ridiculous intensity. To learn judo, you have to be prepared to some degree. You will realize how their bodies are made.
In judo you also switch belt color in competition, at least in some competitions. One has a red one and the other one have white. Mostly when there is no rule for using blue and white gi.
If it is under Kyokushin rules, of course it'll be a handicap to a striker. Take out the "no punching to the face" rule and no headgear like in MMA to make it fair for both fighter
You know what just occurred to me mostly all the street-level comic book characters in marvel and DC are mixed martial artists like Daredevil Batman and Black Canary.
Throws were an integral part of original karate... just because someone uses a throw does NOT mean they're using Judo! By the look of them they are both Shotokan karate and you can use throws in my sport karate comps though not all.
Agree. Old style Judo emphasis on keep stand high. Current sport Judo not so much. Tips : when sparring in Judo, it's much easier to throw opponent using own body weight, avoid that and keep using basic technique.
Other detail some karates styles yet included judo on his techniques like kudo and okinawan karate. Other styles like ninjitsu have judo as ones of hia bases etc woth other japanese and non japaneses styles as systema combat.
Original Karate has Punch, Kicks, Elbows, Grappling and Throws a True Martial arts but for some reason some people excluded Grappling and Throw from Karate.
the fight at 4:00 isn´t Judo vs. Karate, it´s Karate vs. Karate! It´s modern sport Karate. I don´t know the rules today, but in the early 2000´s throws were allowed, as lang as you don´t grip longer than two seconds. So you could threw and follow up with a striking technique. The throw doesn´t score points per se, but you score higher than with a single punch if you follow up. The rule are in constant change, but this style with throws becomes famous with the success Rafael Aghayev, and we started to train more throws and judo falling techniques as competitors 20 years ago.
For strikers to equality of technique here, there should be no head gear/pads, because the grapplers (judo) can apply full power in locks/chokes/holds. it should be bare knuckle and bare foot on both sides. This is the only way you can determine if striking martial arts or jujitsu/judo type marital arts, have the edge, in cases where each exponent sticks exclusively to either striking/grappling. Balanced martial artists are proficient in both, but these fights are about one, against the other, so full contact/no protection/gloves.
In the first fight, if he's Kyokushin he's only a red belt, which means he's probably been training LESS than 6 months. And he's up against a black belt in Judo. Hardly a fair fight to start with.
sorry but the last one, by my experience, shows two karateka fighting in the "shobu" way (scoring points and ko to the body) and the throws we could see here are often demonstrated in this fight style.
The fight at minute 4 was not Karate versus Judo, it was in my opinion simply a Ju Jutsu tournament fight. Modern german Ju Jutsu includes techniques of Karate, Aikido, Judo, bjj, Sambo, wrestling, Boxing, Luta Livre, Escrima, Kenpo, Muay Thai and Kung Fu. Its a sophisticated hybrid style. They do sparring and tournaments where they make kumite, Kickboxing and submission wrestling in the stand up and on the ground. If you watch Ju Jutsu tournaments, you see fights very similiar to russian sambo or chinese sanda tournaments. It goes in both directions, point fighting with throws or strictly punching, kicking, throwing and groundfighting. A more civilized and softer version of mma. Greetings from a german Ju Jutsuka.....by the way, nice video....
From their stances and punching, I think it's Shotokan karate. Karate actually does have most of the throws in it that you find in Ju-jutsu., Unfortunately, nowadays they aren't widely taught which is a shame.
Throws are a pretty big part of Karate. The sparring at the end you see is just where that Karate school focus more on both striking and throws. Where it seems the other guy was not practicing throws much at all. I would not think he practiced Judo. If you look at Wado Ryu Karate its full of jiu jitsu.
My man, Karate has sweeps and CQC-style grappling. That later video with the bald kid with red gloves is clearly in a Shotokan Karate tournament, where throws like this are allowed and a part of the Karate kata.
50 years in Tradional Shoto Kan karate was my main art. My father is my Sencei. 5 years old back in the late 1960s and early 70s watching Pro westling like mad dog Vachon, Killer Kowalski, Tarzen the boot tylor, my favorite, Edward Carpentier. A black belt in Karate, Gymnist, The first to do a back flip off the top rope. 5 foot 8 max. approxently 235lb. Technical wrestler like Bret Hart, fast and a lot of power and very good gentleman in real life. Montreal wrestlers. Dino Bravo, Dino Britto, Andre the giant, yes many of them came from france and moved to Montreal. I stopped watching wrestling after there was no more Ronnie Rawdy Pipper. I wanted to be like Edward Carpentier. And I did it with friends as a kid in the back yard for 25 years. As well, friends who came from other arts like Judo, Boxing, kick boxing, Kung Fu. and jujitsu. They all loved my father's dojo 46x68 feet. There is no matts just a huge concrete floor in the basement of the Ottawa boys and girls club for over 25 years. We were 80% self defence 20% sport. Thank you for this site it brought me a lot of good memories except body slamed on concrete floor it hurts. No me but, others I did to. The end😁😁
Had a discussion between my buddy and my kid 7 year old. Buddy does bjj and my kid judo. My buddy said come do bjj judo is limited. After a while you train on the ground but what techniques have you learned to get someone to the floor? So my 7 year concluded i stick to judo and perfect getting someone to the ground and then i’ll learn some BJJ
Judo combined with some form of striking/kick-boxing, is an unbeatable combination, even after the silly rule changes. BJJ is impressive in it's way, but too adapted to MMA rules.
@@TKZprod A lot of no-gi, if not the most these days and unlimited time on the ground with no pins, mostly. But I would also argue that emphasis on guard-pulling and lower-body takedowns. In Judo there is a reflection on this in the Ippon rule, which at least used to reflect that a flat on the back higher oriented throw would mean incapacitation (even death) or such a stun that the fight would be over, if done on a non-flexing surface. Kind of like a knock-out.
would be wise for karateka to put his hair into a tight bun since he's fighting a judoka. I practiced japanese jiu jitsu, combat sambo, judo krav maga and boxing, and only in boxing practices I could let myself to have my hair like that, because it's not fun if this mane would get into hold or in some other way will be pulled/ripped in wrestling (I also had hair similarly long)
The last guy isn't cross Karate judo. It's just points karate as old karate had alot of judo Jujitsu throws and points karate would sweep and throw all the time especially back in the 90s.
Any grappler should be able to easily double leg or upper body takedown a karateka with no grappling fundamentals straight to the ground and submit him
@@FightCommentary Yes the return of master Crow...... 😅🤣 Supposedly I remember you mentioning him going to tournaments challenging plp....... Dude nobody fights him cuz if they beat his xxx they'll lose street points....... For challenging the mental unstable.....
The throw followed with a strike from above is a relic from old judo. You see it in texts a lot but since its more of a sport nowadays no one does it. Seems silly too considering the easy armbars available in that position.
There is no judoka in the fourth match. That is Olympic karate where throws are allowed. A throw followed immediately by a punch is worth three points.
Thank you for the shoutout!
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Training judo, Jiu Jitsu and wrestling has made me love martial arts even more. Learning each style then integrating them during sparring makes learning addicting.
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Gotta be more careful in streets fight especially when your opponent is multiple if you don’t to get soccer kick at face
@@mello2238 I train in striking arts too. If it’s multiple I just run 🏃♂️. One on one I am capable, but I also have to assess my surrounding and also if the opponent has a potential weapon on hand seen or unseen
the perfect combination
Amazing
The last guys are both modern Karate (Shotokan based) . No judo involved , the throws are done in competition followed by punch (and it's quite common in the last 2 decades).
First guy was Kyokushin , after his guard.
Exactly, the two kids were definitely BOTH shotokan karatekas. But for some reason people think if there is takedowns involved it is not karate, that is what movies do to people minds.
Yeah, you used to see Rafael Aghayev doing this very same thing.
@@haffoc And Machida did it a lot in the cage.
I was gonna mention this but someone beat me to the punch. Those takedowns are very often drilled for point sparring in shotokan karate. There are a few takedowns/throws that are part of the shotokan curriculum (they're all detailed in Funakoshi's Karate-do Kyohan, including the one that surprised me the most, which is basically your good old pile driver), but most gyms very rarely or never train them. A takedown + follow-up hit is actually scored highly, although most point karateka tend to focus more on sweeps than above the hip throws as those are often disallowed depending on the ruleset.
The technique is LITERALLY in the Kata. Most martial artists would know the difference. No insult but not judo in the last one.
Combine even the most basic striking repertoire with a library of minimal-gi judo throws and submissions and already you will have an absolute monster.
I am so glad you got your passion back! Love your content!
The last two clips just looked like Japanese Karate where such throws and strike combinations are part of the art!
Olympics Karate to be exact
@@oooooda3213 Even in the all Japan JKA you will see takedown
Shotkan ryu, wado ryu, shoto ryu have grapling and take down from the kata, and practice
Ashi Barai is the base.
Traditional Okinawan karate has grappling involved from Okinawan wrestling and Japanese jujutsu. Glad this karateka demonstrated that technique
I do Okinawan karate as my main and it’s sick
it's the best @@thunderkatz4219
The last 2 guys are simply point style/WKF karate with takedowns, not judo vs karate. The takedowns they did are common in karate.
Where do think Karate got those throws from? Lol Learn a little history he stands corrected those were Judo throws.
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Motivated me to sign up to judo. have always been a boxer and a lot of stuff ends up in a clinch type position. Judo with boxing (especially a swarmer or in fighter) is GOAT.
Boxing + Judo was the OG combo before Gracies came around. Boxing + wrestling also good of course.
@@Veritas-dq2hs bjj is watered down judo anyway.....judo rules
@@dirtyharry5957 by this point, grappling is just at another level to older GJJ as well. It combines the best of all grappling including judo, wrestling, catch wrestling, and even new innovations. i think jigoro kano would've loved it.
I started with Judo and added boxing later. Its awesome. Now I mainly train by Muay Thai or MMA rules
No... Boxing & Wrestling is
grappler will win most of the time gotta learn it
Especially in non full contact or other rules,the striker has to go for full contact knock out or crippling blow or the grappler has a distinct advantage to be able to get a grip. Usually every contest, even UFC there are rules limiting areas to strike like no knees or kicks to opponent on the ground, or elbow to back of the head , etc. But in no rules, a striker can hit back of the head, spine, eyes, throat, groin, best to know both like hapkido
Even in real life in most brawls, at least 70% of the time we are dealing with some form of grappling.. so yeah it's really important to have a good amount of understanding so you can add to your ever growing arsenal..
Which one to learn?
I want to learn it mostly for self defense and have no classes nearby, I'll be relying on internet only, I don't have anyone else to try the advanced joint locks yet, in case I do get to the ground, I need to be able to defend myself, so which one is easier to pick up and learn as a individual practitioner?
Judo, jiu jutsu or bjj? Or something else?
@@blackpurple9163 if you want to get better at street fighting do judo. If you want to have fun do bjj. Neither will save you against weapons or multiple opponents
@@gbogdanove I'm not talking about multiple opponents, just 1, I want something that's effective and fast at shutting down an opponent when it's going to the ground, because the faster I finish the ground fight, the faster I can get to safety, so judo is better for self defense in this regard?
I've seen those three judo vs karate vids, they are awesome ( though I'm pretty sure the last one is just karate grappling )
And the MMA fight was awesome.
I subscribed to the dudes channel ☺️.
I love your channel man. I don't visit as often anymore tho unfortunately. but I'm getting back into it xD
Great video Jerry.
That grip and pull strengh from the judo guy at 0:28 really stood out!
Yeah. A high level judoka grabs you and you are not going nowhere, their fingers are like pit bull jaws.
every time the grapplers are not worried they might get a broken nose or jaw, gives them confidence.
Que epico ,me alegra llegar tan temprano
Just to say how much I enjoy your vids, you are obviously pretty knowledgable but its your clear enjoyment of what you do that really shines out in your enthusiastic commentry and makes this channel so watchable. Cheers mate, all the best.
I appreciate that!
it's nice to see that there are still judokas who use atemi-waza, although I didn't know that there were competitions like this between karateka and judoka, but it's understandable considering that karate has time-limited grappling. I hope that these kinds of competitions will become more frequent as judo is slowly turning into sumo
Interesting matches.
Pretty sure the last fight is Shotokan. There are throws and take downs in karate. Not all styles but Shoto has them and Wado (being a blend of shoto and JJ) has a large amount of grappling and take downs and locks.
As a judoka, I am very confident as long as the opp has a jacket to grab onto. I will go as far as to say I can reliably win against any beginner even if they are strongman competitors (all types of wrestlers excluded). It's just too easy to get a sleeve grip and it's game over after that. In no-gi however, though I'm decent I can't be as sure
Saudações nobre amigo... o judô é uma arte completa pois envolve Esporte filosofia e defesa pessoal... tem muitas técnicas de judô que dá para fazer sem utilizar casaco ou o judogui. Sou instrutor de defesa pessoal com formação e judô e quando eu ministrava aulas de defesa pessoal para profissionais de segurança privada ensinei muitas adaptações de controle arremesso e finalizações.
Full contact karate with throws is a beautiful thing
Check out KUDO karate style on YT
At 0:46 Nice Tai-Otoshi into an armbar. Amazing combo.
That was definately an osoto otoshi. Tai otoshi is a turnthrow, where you dont kick their leg out with your own
Pure Kyokushin's weakness against Judo is that some Kyokushin guys love to get in close and just hit their opponents with body punches and surprise head kicks. Problem is, that is exactly the range that basically gives Judo a free throw if the Kyokushin guy doesn't train any grappling.
thanks jerry
Final fight is a Karate vs Karate points match. It is not judo but of course owes a huge debt to traditional Jiu Jitsu and likely Judo also. In the UK and Ireland for example this type of points fighting is often seen. Karate styles like Shotokan are exactly like this and Wado Ryu which has a base in traditional Jiu Jitsu displays this type of striking into takedown, sweep or throw. A perfect example of this style is Lyoto Machida the former UFC champion. Judo is great but it’s a lot easier to take a guy down when you have already softened him up with a punch in the teeth. The hooking kick is called a hook kick btw 😊 great breakdown video, v interesting.
Great stuff as always! I was wondering if you had checked out Goju Ryu irikumi? From the videos I have seen, it appears to be okinawan karate with mma rules! You might enjoy checking it out!
Please send me some links. Thank you so much!!
@@FightCommentary Will do!
The last fight was a Karate match aka Kumite back when throws were allowed in WKF rules. Rules are different depending of the organization/style (JKA for example). It still are allowed but by only grabbing with one hand, which sucks, so not many practitioners do.
That kick that resembles some kind of scorpion kick its called Ura Mawashi Geri.
And about that kick (gancho) which is portuguese for hook, is called Ura Mawashi Geri (Ura for spinning, Mawashi for roundhouse and Geri for kick).
Thanks! I will remember that Japanese term!
The thing thats so great about judo is u dont have to only do judo u can get good at strikin and as soon as someone close enough to clinch u throw them sp u can control the distamce and control them when they get too close
last throwing clip is sport karate these throws and sweeps are allowed in modern kumite also that gun shell is called ura mawashi geri/hook kick, youre welcome :)
Would be intresting if there was one or more of these with one of the karate people who learns the throws/grappling in karate. Or maybe not a comlletely astardised wado ryu. (Formers probbly more likely)
Just to see if grappling as a secondary would work out better
Judo is one of the best martial arts along with Wrestling, bjj, kickboxing and Muay Thai. The only problem is that it is too dangerous to use. The technique of throwing on the concrete floor can cripple or even kill the opponent. So they are taught never to fight with normal people on street. One of my friends is a professional judo player. He said he can decide which part to hit when throwing an opponent to the floor. He also said that he is trained to block punches and kicks. He said that once the opponent is wearing any kind of clothing, he can knock the opponent to the ground. He once had a fight with professional taekwondo players, and he said he was able to subdue 3 people with judo alone.
There are two professional judo players around me, one is average and one is tall. However, both are broad-shouldered and muscular and thick. so they are not of a physique that ordinary people would try to fight. I've heard about their training. they train with ridiculous intensity. To learn judo, you have to be prepared to some degree. You will realize how their bodies are made.
The red belt is probably just because the other guy had as blue gi on
Judo you change the gi color, karate you change the belt color for competitions
That’s super interesting!!
Yes indeed
In judo you also switch belt color in competition, at least in some competitions. One has a red one and the other one have white. Mostly when there is no rule for using blue and white gi.
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Love grappling it usually wins the day
When is the interview with the Cuban judoka that fought the muay thai guy coming out, really looking forward to it
If it is under Kyokushin rules, of course it'll be a handicap to a striker. Take out the "no punching to the face" rule and no headgear like in MMA to make it fair for both fighter
I train mma, but mainly wrestling, bjj, boxing and muay thai, I would like to add judo into the mix
You know what just occurred to me mostly all the street-level comic book characters in marvel and DC are mixed martial artists like Daredevil Batman and Black Canary.
This happened a lot in the 70's and the smart karate guys took our gis off and then fought in shorts.
Throws were an integral part of original karate... just because someone uses a throw does NOT mean they're using Judo! By the look of them they are both Shotokan karate and you can use throws in my sport karate comps though not all.
A grappler/wrestler will usually win a confrontation over a strike focused art, including boxing.
Definitely!
Works one to one, but in real self defense it is better to stand high. Cause the friend is standing nearby to kick your head off.
Agree. Old style Judo emphasis on keep stand high.
Current sport Judo not so much.
Tips : when sparring in Judo, it's much easier to throw opponent using own body weight, avoid that and keep using basic technique.
Judo + Karate is the real shit.
no judo-ka in 4th clip.
it's point based kumite, where they do throws
and leg sweeps followed up with downward punch.
Jigoro kano style 💪🏽👊🏼🤙🏼shomeni rei osss
The last match was 2 Karate point fighting dudes not Judo vs. Karate.
The point kumite is just standard karate point competition and yeah, grabs and throws are allowed.
Some of the stuff at the end look like European sport jujitsu. They do striking+grappling
No joke. Had a 20 year black belt in karate come to jiujitsu.
Got wrecked by white belts.
He literally said.
There is no ground game In karate.
What was his reason for trying BJJ after 20 years of karate?
@@FightCommentary
His words
“Karate has no ground game.”
Other detail some karates styles yet included judo on his techniques like kudo and okinawan karate.
Other styles like ninjitsu have judo as ones of hia bases etc woth other japanese and non japaneses styles as systema combat.
At 4:00 that was two shotokan karate guys. Shotokan has a few basic judo throws mixed in
Original Karate has Punch, Kicks, Elbows, Grappling and Throws a True Martial arts but for some reason some people excluded Grappling and Throw from Karate.
the fight at 4:00 isn´t Judo vs. Karate, it´s Karate vs. Karate! It´s modern sport Karate. I don´t know the rules today, but in the early 2000´s throws were allowed, as lang as you don´t grip longer than two seconds. So you could threw and follow up with a striking technique. The throw doesn´t score points per se, but you score higher than with a single punch if you follow up. The rule are in constant change, but this style with throws becomes famous with the success Rafael Aghayev, and we started to train more throws and judo falling techniques as competitors 20 years ago.
Go Grant!
The choke is called Hadaka Jime
Judo has striking, it's called Atemi Waza
You should look up Okinawa karate throws
For strikers to equality of technique here, there should be no head gear/pads, because the grapplers (judo) can apply full power in locks/chokes/holds. it should be bare knuckle and bare foot on both sides. This is the only way you can determine if striking martial arts or jujitsu/judo type marital arts, have the edge, in cases where each exponent sticks exclusively to either striking/grappling. Balanced martial artists are proficient in both, but these fights are about one, against the other, so full contact/no protection/gloves.
Jerry you're a baritone! Are you on that liver king diet lol
The last guys were WKF aka Olympic karate.
The 1st match looks like Kyokushin Budokai, a style created by a Dutch guy, Jon Bluming.
So interesting! Do you have any links?
@@FightCommentary The name makes it hard to find videos. It's like Kyokushin + ground fighting ua-cam.com/video/Bibd84P53uc/v-deo.html
Lo mejor no dejarse agarrar y que no te lleven al suelo,es difícil pero hay que intentarlo
Could you do some Kudo fights commentary?
Show me some!
@@FightCommentary Shinji Watanabe has a pretty wide collection on his channel, just uploaded more matches yesterday
In the first fight, if he's Kyokushin he's only a red belt, which means he's probably been training LESS than 6 months. And he's up against a black belt in Judo. Hardly a fair fight to start with.
There is no Judoka in that fight at 4:40 .
THIS is Shotokan Karate 👊
I thought striking in Judo wasn't permitted; otherwise, it's basically Jujutsu.
sorry but the last one, by my experience, shows two karateka fighting in the "shobu" way (scoring points and ko to the body) and the throws we could see here are often demonstrated in this fight style.
The fight at minute 4 was not Karate versus Judo, it was in my opinion simply a Ju Jutsu tournament fight. Modern german Ju Jutsu includes techniques of Karate, Aikido, Judo, bjj, Sambo, wrestling, Boxing, Luta Livre, Escrima, Kenpo, Muay Thai and Kung Fu. Its a sophisticated hybrid style. They do sparring and tournaments where they make kumite, Kickboxing and submission wrestling in the stand up and on the ground. If you watch Ju Jutsu tournaments, you see fights very similiar to russian sambo or chinese sanda tournaments. It goes in both directions, point fighting with throws or strictly punching, kicking, throwing and groundfighting. A more civilized and softer version of mma. Greetings from a german Ju Jutsuka.....by the way, nice video....
From their stances and punching, I think it's Shotokan karate. Karate actually does have most of the throws in it that you find in Ju-jutsu., Unfortunately, nowadays they aren't widely taught which is a shame.
0:45 that face ;)
Rip karate fighters, I feel especially bad for the first one. Instant rip. There's no chance without a solid grasp of takedown defense.
Karate and judo are best combination like for mma
Ura mawashi geri to give the hook kick its name in karate
Throws are a pretty big part of Karate. The sparring at the end you see is just where that Karate school focus more on both striking and throws. Where it seems the other guy was not practicing throws much at all. I would not think he practiced Judo.
If you look at Wado Ryu Karate its full of jiu jitsu.
My man, Karate has sweeps and CQC-style grappling. That later video with the bald kid with red gloves is clearly in a Shotokan Karate tournament, where throws like this are allowed and a part of the Karate kata.
50 years in Tradional Shoto Kan karate was my main art. My father is my Sencei. 5 years old back in the late 1960s and early 70s watching Pro westling like mad dog Vachon, Killer Kowalski, Tarzen the boot tylor, my favorite, Edward Carpentier.
A black belt in Karate, Gymnist, The first to do a back flip off the top rope. 5 foot 8 max. approxently 235lb. Technical wrestler like Bret Hart, fast and a lot of power and very good gentleman in real life. Montreal wrestlers. Dino Bravo, Dino Britto, Andre the giant, yes many of them came from france and moved to Montreal.
I stopped watching wrestling after there was no more Ronnie Rawdy Pipper. I wanted to be like Edward Carpentier. And I did it with friends as a kid in the back yard for 25 years. As well, friends who came from other arts like Judo, Boxing, kick boxing, Kung Fu. and jujitsu.
They all loved my father's dojo 46x68 feet. There is no matts just a huge concrete floor in the basement of the Ottawa boys and girls club for over 25 years. We were 80% self defence 20% sport. Thank you for this site it brought me a lot of good memories except body slamed on concrete floor it hurts. No me but, others I did to. The end😁😁
4:00 thats not judo, thats full karate shotokan
How many year to learn judo?
who is stronger judo or karate ? 🤔
I mean if your hight on your legs like kyoku style ofc its gonna fall , go shotokan for more stability like mannnn
Had a discussion between my buddy and my kid 7 year old. Buddy does bjj and my kid judo. My buddy said come do bjj judo is limited. After a while you train on the ground but what techniques have you learned to get someone to the floor? So my 7 year concluded i stick to judo and perfect getting someone to the ground and then i’ll learn some BJJ
Judo combined with some form of striking/kick-boxing, is an unbeatable combination, even after the silly rule changes. BJJ is impressive in it's way, but too adapted to MMA rules.
Such styles exist: combat sambo, kudo, pankration, military styles (e.g. post-Soviet hand-to-hand combat, U.S. MCMAP).
I don't see how BJJ is more adapted to MMA rules than Judo
@@TKZprod A lot of no-gi, if not the most these days and unlimited time on the ground with no pins, mostly. But I would also argue that emphasis on guard-pulling and lower-body takedowns. In Judo there is a reflection on this in the Ippon rule, which at least used to reflect that a flat on the back higher oriented throw would mean incapacitation (even death) or such a stun that the fight would be over, if done on a non-flexing surface. Kind of like a knock-out.
would be wise for karateka to put his hair into a tight bun since he's fighting a judoka. I practiced japanese jiu jitsu, combat sambo, judo krav maga and boxing, and only in boxing practices I could let myself to have my hair like that, because it's not fun if this mane would get into hold or in some other way will be pulled/ripped in wrestling (I also had hair similarly long)
Osu good call on kyokushin. Good eye osu
How you been?
The last fight is pure karate fyi
4:14 both are Karate, I assume this is Goju Ryu Karate.
Uma lutas dessas e como vc jogar um jogador de vôlei na regra do basquete
The last guy isn't cross Karate judo. It's just points karate as old karate had alot of judo Jujitsu throws and points karate would sweep and throw all the time especially back in the 90s.
Can they not go for double legs?
Any grappler should be able to easily double leg or upper body takedown a karateka with no grappling fundamentals straight to the ground and submit him
WHAT ABOUT Satoshi Ishii vs Mirko Fiilipovic?
Show me!
@@FightCommentary enjoy: ua-cam.com/video/b7Laqy9OnLg/v-deo.html
A good grappler and a good striker, the grappler wins 9 out of them times. Easy pickings
4:21 Fourth one is not judo vs karate. They’re both karate guys. That hip throw is taught in karate as well
The last 2 were both karate. It looks like olympic karate
It's been to long old friend since master Russian Crow guy😅........
I will do another video on him soon 😜😜
@@FightCommentary Yes the return of master Crow...... 😅🤣 Supposedly I remember you mentioning him going to tournaments challenging plp....... Dude nobody fights him cuz if they beat his xxx they'll lose street points....... For challenging the mental unstable.....
The throw followed with a strike from above is a relic from old judo. You see it in texts a lot but since its more of a sport nowadays no one does it. Seems silly too considering the easy armbars available in that position.
I recall seeing some traditional jiujitsu and karate practitioners drilling those.
There is no judoka in the fourth match. That is Olympic karate where throws are allowed. A throw followed immediately by a punch is worth three points.
I got small hands I don't know if I could be good in judo
Ura mawashi geri