Why does Rachel feel like such a failure when she has so many sweet sincere gorgeous men that are so interested in her how can that make a woman feel like a failure because one person doesn’t like you well actually he likes you he just doesn’t want to be with you that doesn’t make him a bad person and it doesn’t make her a failure think these women make too much of a big deal if things don’t go perfectly their way I don’t understand this season‘s episode I don’t think they should do to bachelor or bachelorette in the future at the same time
She feels like a failure because she’s been rejected like 4-5 times now in a row. I mean after getting rejected as much as she has on a show where you’re supposed to be the one doing the rejecting, it’s kind of unexpected and hard to prepare for and triggers rejection wounds. Yes she needs to do some inner work but I’m empathize with her, getting rejected that many times by different men on National tv isn’t easy, I can imagine…
@@Varaidzo1 for sure, I just don’t think it’s something you can really emotionally prepare yourself for. She probably didn’t expect to get rejected as much as she did, regardless I think she’s valid in her feelings and it’s okay to feel them, but hopefully she will just keep moving forward and find love. Wish the best for both of them
Such a true statement she lacks in such confidence of the woman that she is she's not going to make a good wife if she don't get over all this negative thoughts
@@celiafirl6000 harsh…. I don’t think that she’s not going to be a good wife, how can you judge someone like that based off of an edited reality tv show? I wonder if people who say things like this are flawless and living perfect lives with perfect relationships. Sheeesh
Oh honey, the dude just played you, don't let him get you down. The men who are here for you are SO here for you and are awesome. Don't lose energy to this player.
@@LOVEISTRUTH300 he’s a guy. Idk one guy that is assertive with their feelings in a matter of weeks. Doesn’t make him a bad person. I’m sure if anyone was put in these situations they most would not be able to fully understand their feelings towards each other.
@@kristiantwyman1227 I never said he was a bad person. I was saying based off of his personality it was predictable that he'd do this and I wouldn't be shocked if this isn't the end of it. Some guys stood solid on where they were going from the get go.
I appreciate him for being very honest and truthful. Many men on this show just rather not come clean with something huge like this. They both handled this very well.
I know it's upsetting for Rachel that she couldn't be the one to decide whether to pick Logan or not in the end of the day, but he did come forward with honesty. She should just prioritize who actually care about her.
She's young, I remember being the same. It's just more validation that leads on this show need to be older, more mature. It's only with age or major life events that a person can truly garner a backbone and a feeling of self-love and self-worth strong enough to deal with rejection.
Well duh she's seeking validation she's the Bachelorette trying to find her husband in just a few short weeks and ever week guys invalidate her and leave or ignore her. Are you guys even watching the show? And she doesn't know who she's gonna pick, but the point is it hurts. She's been not chosen, & straight up rejected every single week. It's not that difficult to understand.
Idk what it is but it’s annoying me too. I don’t think the guy purposely waited like the whole season started off weird and messy snd they never seem to have any rode ceremonies or dates lol so when was he suppose to tell her? Embarrass her in front of everyone? We have to remind ourselves that men just don’t think like women think. I give all of the guys that much.
It’s just the uncertainty. He seemed like a sure thing that he liked her a lot. She was blindsided by this. So now the guys she is really interested in, like Tino, seem like a mystery too. She’s thinking, “What if Tino is thinking of leaving and he’s waiting for the right moment to tell me?”
To their defense… they most likely just weren’t ready for this set up. It’s never been done before, usually the lead is the one doing the rejecting. When you sign up to be the bachelorette you arent usually preparing yourself to get rejected by multiple men who come on the show.
Nah, they were not ready for the producer meddling. No way this is actually the guys idea. Production is trying really hard to pit them against each other and luckily it is not working, but I can´t imagine trying to date while people are actively trying to tear me down and get me into a fight with my support system.
@@luciekulhankova7278 well it’s obviously not gonna work when they have two separate groups of mennn, but it is working for Rachel because she easily gets upset.
@@EllDuclos This setup is closer to LIFE. (and still pretty detached from it - they're JUST two). These are women at the end of their fertility window ... if they're STILL not ready to deal with having juuuust a bit of competition ... no words! They'll go down hard in life. Oh well, 20% of women and 40% of men in history didn't reproduce... I guess SOMEONE we know has to be one of those people. 😂😂
Logan actually let Rachel down in such a kind gentlemanly way. I was calling him a cochroach but then when I saw this snippet I understood him better. It's not only the leads that should have a say. It's both contestants and lead putting their heart on the line. This show is so rushed and all,it's not abnormal feelings can be confused. Of course it sucks for Rachel and I believe they are playing her dirty with people leaving and jumping ship but she has got to get it that the producers want drama and tears. To them,her true happiness comes much later. It's cry now...smile later for them
@@fluffytail6355 I think Gabby should have spoken up in the beginning and admitted that she also wanted to rose Logan but she didn't want to go against Rachel.
OK is it just me I’m very confused when they are honest and tell them that they don’t want to be with them isn’t that what they want for them to be honest and they get so upset. Both of those women have men that are very very connected with them why don’t they just focus on the ones that they know they have a connection with
Put yourself in her shoes, she JUST was rejected from Clayton, whom she loved, weeks ago. Then to go through week after week of men telling you “no thanks”… That would get to anyone. But I do think she has to refocus on the men who adore her, everyone can’t be your match anyway. Perspective
She would be a fool if she does not pick Tino he seems like the kind of man that wants to have a real honest relationship the way relationships are supposed to be with communication and respect for each other under any circumstances. Those are two major things in a relationship is communication and respect and not just to be husband and wife and lovers you must also be each other’s very best friend
🇨🇦 I just Wish Racheal would look at it that it's better now than later. I noticed that the two of them never spent any time together alone anyway. The absolute worst would be that Gabby keeps him on. If I were Gabby I'd take away his life vest and throw him off the darn ship! She needs to have more confidence in herself. I feel bad for the guys that ARE there for her! Like they are being let down time and again! It must be hard on them to even want to stay around. She better do some serious thinking before she turns them all away? 🤥
To be fair, we've all been seeing Logan spiral for two weeks and she didn't. In her mind, he was 100% in and this completely blindsided her. Like Gabby never actually told Rachel they kissed on the first date, so she probably had no idea at all that Logan was seriously interested in Gabby at any point. So I can understand why it would make her question the other guys that we can see are actually there for her, because to her Logan was too and so now she's probably doubtng whether or not other guys actually want her cause there's no real way for her to know the difference.
I agree with Logan and Rachel because they have Something that is going very hard for them and I know that Rachel is crying about this and I’m sorry about about what they’re going through. I am there for them.
To Bachelor Nation and that rousing conversation that tells how Logan confront Rachel and vanished himself from her group date but it was a date card that may have sure where Rachel was right then her tears begin to flow on the guy she passed since that goodbye.
Idk if ppl have payed attention to the actual show or not but Logan was up front and honest about his feelings in his interviews throughout the ENTIRE show!! Those alone explain exactly where he’s coming from and why it was so tough for him to just hurry up and confess to the women where his head was it. I truly don’t think he was ever playing them. I think he genuinely felt bad about their past experience and knew he was gonna be the bad guy in the end and just hesitated making that move. I do think if he’d said something one week sooner, things would have been completely different.
What I don’t understand is why Logan waited this long to express his feelings! He had a lot of time . Rachel stay strong you have other men who have been on your side since day one acknowledge them and give them all a chance let the player go your beautiful in and out and you deserve happiness
I blame production for all of this Mess 😒😒😒!!!!! I feel like they don’t even care about these women finding love !!! All they care about is ratings !!!!! Because they knew having 2 bachelorettes would make things complicated
Agreed and I am even worse because I am more interested in the drama than who ends up with who. They knew what they were doing when they said they would do this at the same time and unfortunately the ladies didn’t really think this through. It’s all unrolling exactly how I expected it would when they first announced them as bachelorettes
Yeah, her demand to have happened earlier was ridiculous. She did the same on the final with Clayton. "Couldn't you have decided earlier? REEE". Well, you're on a show with a particular process. SOMEBODY has to be in the final three or final whatever. You're just the kind that will forever find a reason to be upset that people didn't appease their ego _better._
When Rachel said “ you accepted my rose when you didn’t want to be with me” and he answered “ I wasn’t sure then. I was figuring it out “ that is totally valid. The bachelors/bachelorettes have this sense of entitlement that isn’t fair- they give out roses when they aren’t sure about contestants all the time. We see it in their diary confessionals - that they see potential But want to keep them Another week to See how it goes- so is it not okay that he accepts her rose to see if there is potential as well even amongst having feelings of doubts ?
I cried when I saw Nate being emotional when Gabby gave him a gift for his daughter. He is such a great guy and I'm praying Gabby would not break his heart.
She still would have been crying and feeling rejected and embarrassed. How was he suppose to tell her when both ladies have canceled dates and rose ceremonies but are demanding that MEN figure out which one they like more in 3 weeks of not doing anything? In the end it’s a show for entertainment.
Gabby's going to make herself look so cheap letting Logan in her group of men. How can she do this to Racheal? Also how can she do this to the group of men that have been there for her all along?? 🤬 These guys must have lost alot of respect for her! 😡 I know I have.
I think she’s fine. They both liked him and she was the one that initially stepped aside to let Rachel explore her connection with him. Sometimes you just have more chemistry with some than others. Liking someone isn’t some linear progression. Also, he’ll be gone soon enough.
What does freaking 'Rachael' has to do with it? Actually, what was my issue with her: SHE NEEDED TO CONSULT F-ING 'Rachael' ON LETTING LOGAN IN? Are you f-ing kidding me??? How dependent can you be? I would have lost all respect for her right there and then if I was in Logan's place (but then, I wouldn't be in his place, with these unhealthy, narcissistic, insecure & self-entitled women on an unhealthy show, I have some standards)!
@@loveicecream9947 PERIOD! Tf? This show is made for drama and very far from real life! Ain’t no way I’m dating 30 dudes at once with another woman who are only associated because they dated the same guy via this show, without having to deal with drama. It should be expected.
Logan needed to be removed . not been transferred to Gabby that not fare to the men in Gabbys group already Rachel’s really hurting with all the men that are refusing her thunder
He finally got the boot next bachelorette must of have been a producer thing they like the drama because the girls are intelligent. He would have been gone second week.
Haha, I've wondered what it was with his face since I first saw him. Was always bugging me. You were actually able to identify it! HAHA. Yes, that's exactly it: practically non-existent cheek bones! HAHA
Better than an Arie senerio. Better late than engaged they say. 🤷♀️
Why does Rachel feel like such a failure when she has so many sweet sincere gorgeous men that are so interested in her how can that make a woman feel like a failure because one person doesn’t like you well actually he likes you he just doesn’t want to be with you that doesn’t make him a bad person and it doesn’t make her a failure think these women make too much of a big deal if things don’t go perfectly their way I don’t understand this season‘s episode I don’t think they should do to bachelor or bachelorette in the future at the same time
She feels like a failure because she’s been rejected like 4-5 times now in a row. I mean after getting rejected as much as she has on a show where you’re supposed to be the one doing the rejecting, it’s kind of unexpected and hard to prepare for and triggers rejection wounds. Yes she needs to do some inner work but I’m empathize with her, getting rejected that many times by different men on National tv isn’t easy, I can imagine…
@@EllDuclos True but I think rejection is bound to happen on a show with two bachelorettes
@@Varaidzo1 for sure, I just don’t think it’s something you can really emotionally prepare yourself for. She probably didn’t expect to get rejected as much as she did, regardless I think she’s valid in her feelings and it’s okay to feel them, but hopefully she will just keep moving forward and find love. Wish the best for both of them
Such a true statement she lacks in such confidence of the woman that she is she's not going to make a good wife if she don't get over all this negative thoughts
@@celiafirl6000 harsh…. I don’t think that she’s not going to be a good wife, how can you judge someone like that based off of an edited reality tv show? I wonder if people who say things like this are flawless and living perfect lives with perfect relationships. Sheeesh
Oh honey, the dude just played you, don't let him get you down. The men who are here for you are SO here for you and are awesome. Don't lose energy to this player.
There was something he said the first or second episode that told me he was going to do this. Predictable.
@@LOVEISTRUTH300 he’s a guy. Idk one guy that is assertive with their feelings in a matter of weeks. Doesn’t make him a bad person. I’m sure if anyone was put in these situations they most would not be able to fully understand their feelings towards each other.
@@kristiantwyman1227 I never said he was a bad person. I was saying based off of his personality it was predictable that he'd do this and I wouldn't be shocked if this isn't the end of it. Some guys stood solid on where they were going from the get go.
It’s wild the amount of delusional women that watch this show
I appreciate him for being very honest and truthful. Many men on this show just rather not come clean with something huge like this. They both handled this very well.
I know it's upsetting for Rachel that she couldn't be the one to decide whether to pick Logan or not in the end of the day, but he did come forward with honesty. She should just prioritize who actually care about her.
Why is Rachel acting like she was going to pick him? She seeks constant validation and it’s getting annoying lol
She's young, I remember being the same. It's just more validation that leads on this show need to be older, more mature. It's only with age or major life events that a person can truly garner a backbone and a feeling of self-love and self-worth strong enough to deal with rejection.
Well duh she's seeking validation she's the Bachelorette trying to find her husband in just a few short weeks and ever week guys invalidate her and leave or ignore her. Are you guys even watching the show? And she doesn't know who she's gonna pick, but the point is it hurts. She's been not chosen, & straight up rejected every single week. It's not that difficult to understand.
exactly like she knows very well she wasn’t gonna choose him 😭
Idk what it is but it’s annoying me too. I don’t think the guy purposely waited like the whole season started off weird and messy snd they never seem to have any rode ceremonies or dates lol so when was he suppose to tell her? Embarrass her in front of everyone? We have to remind ourselves that men just don’t think like women think. I give all of the guys that much.
It’s just the uncertainty. He seemed like a sure thing that he liked her a lot. She was blindsided by this. So now the guys she is really interested in, like Tino, seem like a mystery too. She’s thinking, “What if Tino is thinking of leaving and he’s waiting for the right moment to tell me?”
These two women were not ready for this show or for this in their lives, they were coming so broken from the past bachelor with Clayton.
To their defense… they most likely just weren’t ready for this set up. It’s never been done before, usually the lead is the one doing the rejecting. When you sign up to be the bachelorette you arent usually preparing yourself to get rejected by multiple men who come on the show.
Nah, they were not ready for the producer meddling. No way this is actually the guys idea. Production is trying really hard to pit them against each other and luckily it is not working, but I can´t imagine trying to date while people are actively trying to tear me down and get me into a fight with my support system.
@@luciekulhankova7278 well it’s obviously not gonna work when they have two separate groups of mennn, but it is working for Rachel because she easily gets upset.
@@EllDuclos This setup is closer to LIFE. (and still pretty detached from it - they're JUST two). These are women at the end of their fertility window ... if they're STILL not ready to deal with having juuuust a bit of competition ... no words! They'll go down hard in life.
Oh well, 20% of women and 40% of men in history didn't reproduce... I guess SOMEONE we know has to be one of those people. 😂😂
@@exnihilonihilfit6316 what are you talking about? Rachel is 26… how is her time to conceive almost up? That’s a strange comment to make. 😳
Logan actually let Rachel down in such a kind gentlemanly way. I was calling him a cochroach but then when I saw this snippet I understood him better.
It's not only the leads that should have a say. It's both contestants and lead putting their heart on the line. This show is so rushed and all,it's not abnormal feelings can be confused. Of course it sucks for Rachel and I believe they are playing her dirty with people leaving and jumping ship but she has got to get it that the producers want drama and tears. To them,her true happiness comes much later. It's cry now...smile later for them
Gabby should have sent him home when he wanted to change teams. Like, “sorry, my team is full - I’ve got the men I’m interested in. Bye!”
@@fluffytail6355 I think Gabby should have spoken up in the beginning and admitted that she also wanted to rose Logan but she didn't want to go against Rachel.
What a stand up guy, being truthful and honest
Good good
He wants the screen time, he’s not that in to either of them. We will see him in Bach in paradise one day. He knows what he’s doing,
After knowing this the whole last week and saying nothing, accepting her rose? Seriously...
He lost any “nice guy” credibility the second he said “Victory honors the daring” he’s a total fraud
@@luciekulhankova7278 Why should he? If he needed the time... You're Rachel 2. God save me from people like you!
OK is it just me I’m very confused when they are honest and tell them that they don’t want to be with them isn’t that what they want for them to be honest and they get so upset. Both of those women have men that are very very connected with them why don’t they just focus on the ones that they know they have a connection with
Put yourself in her shoes, she JUST was rejected from Clayton, whom she loved, weeks ago. Then to go through week after week of men telling you “no thanks”… That would get to anyone. But I do think she has to refocus on the men who adore her, everyone can’t be your match anyway. Perspective
Regardless it hurts and triggers rejection wounds especially with Rachel getting rejected multiple times… on National tv. It hurts regardless.
She would be a fool if she does not pick Tino he seems like the kind of man that wants to have a real honest relationship the way relationships are supposed to be with communication and respect for each other under any circumstances. Those are two major things in a relationship is communication and respect and not just to be husband and wife and lovers you must also be each other’s very best friend
Yeah I see Tino winning.
@@the_fd_180 tino does win!!!!
@@jeffb9939 how do you know?
Reality Steve predicts that tino is in the top 2.
🇨🇦 I just Wish Racheal would look at it that it's better now than later. I noticed that the two of them never spent any time together alone anyway. The absolute worst would be that Gabby keeps him on. If I were Gabby I'd take away his life vest and throw him off the darn ship! She needs to have more confidence in herself. I feel bad for the guys that ARE there for her! Like they are being let down time and again! It must be hard on them to even want to stay around. She better do some serious thinking before she turns them all away? 🤥
Why is everybody so hard ok logan? I mean, if he is not into her, its good to say. You just know, when you try…and he choose very kind words…
Logan was strictly team Logan… played both girls from the get-go.
I honestly understand where rach is coming from also Logan is a player he doesn't care about anyone other than himself
It's not his business to care about others. It's theirs. Clear, altruist filth?
He reeks of player vibes
Rachel should have focused on the men that are 💯% into her. She has had very good set of men still competing for her heart.
Right?? Zach, Tino, and Tyler are sweethearts and 100% in. Who needs wishy washy Logan?
she just wants everyone to be crazy about her all the time. She’s not focused on the right thing
To be fair, we've all been seeing Logan spiral for two weeks and she didn't. In her mind, he was 100% in and this completely blindsided her. Like Gabby never actually told Rachel they kissed on the first date, so she probably had no idea at all that Logan was seriously interested in Gabby at any point. So I can understand why it would make her question the other guys that we can see are actually there for her, because to her Logan was too and so now she's probably doubtng whether or not other guys actually want her cause there's no real way for her to know the difference.
I agree with Logan and Rachel because they have Something that is going very hard for them and I know that Rachel is crying about this and I’m sorry about about what they’re going through. I am there for them.
To Bachelor Nation and that rousing conversation that tells how Logan confront Rachel and vanished himself from her group date but it was a date card that may have sure where Rachel was right then her tears begin to flow on the guy she passed since that goodbye.
I like Logan. He's charismatic and comfortable in his own skin.
Idk if ppl have payed attention to the actual show or not but Logan was up front and honest about his feelings in his interviews throughout the ENTIRE show!! Those alone explain exactly where he’s coming from and why it was so tough for him to just hurry up and confess to the women where his head was it. I truly don’t think he was ever playing them. I think he genuinely felt bad about their past experience and knew he was gonna be the bad guy in the end and just hesitated making that move. I do think if he’d said something one week sooner, things would have been completely different.
What I don’t understand is why Logan waited this long to express his feelings! He had a lot of time . Rachel stay strong you have other men who have been on your side since day one acknowledge them and give them all a chance let the player go your beautiful in and out and you deserve happiness
I blame production for all of this Mess 😒😒😒!!!!! I feel like they don’t even care about these women finding love !!! All they care about is ratings !!!!! Because they knew having 2 bachelorettes would make things complicated
Agreed and I am even worse because I am more interested in the drama than who ends up with who. They knew what they were doing when they said they would do this at the same time and unfortunately the ladies didn’t really think this through. It’s all unrolling exactly how I expected it would when they first announced them as bachelorettes
I mean they both handled it well. At least he told her before hometowns.
Yeah, her demand to have happened earlier was ridiculous. She did the same on the final with Clayton. "Couldn't you have decided earlier? REEE". Well, you're on a show with a particular process. SOMEBODY has to be in the final three or final whatever. You're just the kind that will forever find a reason to be upset that people didn't appease their ego _better._
Super annoying how he leads with the “I’m so honored” speech. He tried to build her up before letting her down. It feels a bit patronizing:/
They all do that even the bachelorettes lol
Bruh why is she always crying
She has trauma and baggage she hasn’t worked through
When Rachel said “ you accepted my rose when you didn’t want to be with me” and he answered “ I wasn’t sure then. I was figuring it out “ that is totally valid. The bachelors/bachelorettes have this sense of entitlement that isn’t fair- they give out roses when they aren’t sure about contestants all the time. We see it in their diary confessionals - that they see potential
But want to keep them
Another week to
See how it goes- so is it not okay that he accepts her rose to see if there is potential as well even amongst having feelings of doubts ?
She wasn't even into him. She's so rude.
How is she rude
I think some of are afraid of a strong woman with such a profession. Sweetheart don't cry too much, you have to choose only one.
Gabby Nate is the one!!!!
I cried when I saw Nate being emotional when Gabby gave him a gift for his daughter. He is such a great guy and I'm praying Gabby would not break his heart.
@@happysheep9941 he's a straight up cheater and player.
@@Crystalbomb321 Oh I haven't seen the new episode yet, maybe I spoke too soon?
Shouldn't have taken the rose on the last rose ceremony. Should have stopped the ceremony and told her - Rachel, I'm sorry, this and that.
Why? Because you'd like it? Or her?
The only person he _should_ be taking care of is himself.
She still would have been crying and feeling rejected and embarrassed. How was he suppose to tell her when both ladies have canceled dates and rose ceremonies but are demanding that MEN figure out which one they like more in 3 weeks of not doing anything? In the end it’s a show for entertainment.
He didn't like you , deal with it , wish him the best which is not a life relationship with you but another girl... move on ...
Ah this is such a miserable show!! Misery!! So much terrible ideas and misery. Pitting women against each other.
Gabby's going to make herself look so cheap letting Logan in her group of men. How can she do this to Racheal? Also how can she do this to the group of men that have been there for her all along?? 🤬 These guys must have lost alot of respect for her! 😡 I know I have.
I think she’s fine. They both liked him and she was the one that initially stepped aside to let Rachel explore her connection with him. Sometimes you just have more chemistry with some than others. Liking someone isn’t some linear progression. Also, he’ll be gone soon enough.
Oh please! Rachel acting like she didn’t give Hayden a rose after she KNOWS what he SAID to GABBY!
What does freaking 'Rachael' has to do with it? Actually, what was my issue with her: SHE NEEDED TO CONSULT F-ING 'Rachael' ON LETTING LOGAN IN? Are you f-ing kidding me??? How dependent can you be?
I would have lost all respect for her right there and then if I was in Logan's place (but then, I wouldn't be in his place, with these unhealthy, narcissistic, insecure & self-entitled women on an unhealthy show, I have some standards)!
@@loveicecream9947 PERIOD! Tf? This show is made for drama and very far from real life! Ain’t no way I’m dating 30 dudes at once with another woman who are only associated because they dated the same guy via this show, without having to deal with drama. It should be expected.
Me too. Now the guys are all giving her the side eye - as they should.
Logan needed to be removed . not been transferred to Gabby that not fare to the men in Gabbys group already Rachel’s really hurting with all the men that are refusing her thunder
It's revolting seeing Gabby kiss Logan. My God I really liked Gabby until now. 😠
Oh please. Rachel accepted Hayden and has been all about herself right from the start.
He finally got the boot next bachelorette must of have been a producer thing they like the drama because the girls are intelligent. He would have been gone second week.
Jed level 2 lmao
putting the bachelorettes through all this, if ABC doesnt do two bachelors is2g
Disliked this dude from the get go ! Shady asf . He shoulda been eliminated instead of having the chance to switch lane 😑 not cool .
Omg this guy has nonexistent facial bones. He looks like he's melting!
Haha, I've wondered what it was with his face since I first saw him. Was always bugging me. You were actually able to identify it! HAHA. Yes, that's exactly it: practically non-existent cheek bones! HAHA
she looks sooo much like meryl streep, it's creepy
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