As a mechanic I tell motorcycle riders this . If your going to start your bike , only do it to go for a ride long enough to heat the oil to evaporate the water out of the oil . Don’t start it if for short periods or you will see the milking of the oil as I saw when you started the bike up . Dry sump systems on the old BSA , Nortons and Triumph had to be drained out of the the bottom after long periods of sitting or they would smoke badly . For them it was an indication of an oil check valve not doing it’s job . Gave a thumbs up for your explanation.
It's a dry sump motor and the oil will seap into the bottom end of the motor with long term sitting. If your not going to start it in the winter drain the oil tank and get the bike off the ground so your tires don't get flat spots. Ride safe ✌
I have a 2000 model 883 Sportster that I've had since 2012. The thing used to leave oil everywhere from the day I got it. It sat for a couple of years after I had an accident in '17 that left me in hospital for a while. When I got round to putting it back on the road there's no oil in the tank. The only place it could have gone was into the engine, and after looking at the oil system plan in the manual, figured it must be the check valve which lives in behind where the oil filter screws on. Ordered a new ball & spring & measured the new one next to the old. The old spring had taken a set & was noticeably shorter than it ought to have been. That was 3 years ago and it's been perfectly fine since. The old thing's still a heavy spitter though. It shows it's displeasure at having the oil tank filled up more than half way through the safe zone by depositing copious quantities of oil into it's air filter box.
On the oil pump ther are 3 large straight blade screw caps two on the oil pump and one on the engine block the two on the oil pump. One is a check out the other is a valve check valve under that screw is a spring and a ball if the spring is broke or weak it will allow oil to flow out of the tank into the sump. Is happening to you you might want to check out the check valve and see if that may be the problem of the leaking back to the sump for the video. This is a great video. It happened to me and your video has helped great job.
Thanks for checking out the video! That style of oil pump I believe is only on the Evo engines, on the twin cams the oil pump is inside the cam chest behind the cam plate.
Thanks for the info on the fat boy low on oil after storage. I was freaking out a little bit. My fat boys a 2012 but I've never let it set that long. When I didn't see anything on the floor I wondered where it went. Again thanks for the tip.👍
Glad I watched this vid before starting my bike I just filled the tank with new oil that would have been a disaster. I’m going to drain the tank start it up then do oil change. Thanks for the vid
Maybe this is why harley davidson manual says to check the oil when hot i think it says this on the dip stick also, apparently some people don't read the manual or they will know this
#1 Clean Your Check, #2 Get An Inline Hose Barb Non-Return Valve To Splice Into Your Tank Return Line From The Scavenge Pump. ( make sure you get it in the right way, arrow towards the oil tank; and in the return line from your scavenge pump )
@@garycarbino4945 i have a video on my channel that includes 3 ways to cure sit sump.. go to my videos and watch " Swirl Port Special ( ultimate Crankcase Breather, & sit sump Cure ) "
@@garycarbino4945 the link to that check valve is in the video description... on Sportsters, it goes in the Smaller Bottom Hose, Arrow Toward The Tank.
i have a 96cubicinch twin cam engine and a flame blue fat boy! 2008 year model! a good bike rides like a train! six gears. i just checked the oil. but when warming up, the engine oil is 90 degrees. 😅
2000 fat boy, Mine started draining down 4years ago. Should I drain oil then pour back in? or start like you did? Will it damage the rings or walls running with no oil in the tank to begin with? Seems like a lot of time running before oil gets through engine. Thank you.
If you haven’t started it in a few years, you can put a little oil in the tank to pump into the engine on start up however be careful because all of the oil wet sumped in the engine could begin to overfill the oil bag quickly and it will spew out of the fill hole on the oil bag. It is hard to drain out of the engine cases because there is no dedicated drain plug on the engine case.
Hey brother I started my bike after winter storage and I started and it was pissing oil out of the crank case vent I never had any issues with the bike
What year and model? The crankcase may have got wet dumped and filled up to the crankcase vent so pressure on first start up pushed some oil out of the vent. Was it continuous after starting or did it stop after a bit?
92 Harley-Davidson softail heritage classic. It puked out a little puddle then it stopped . I ran it for a couple of minutes and then shut it down after that cause I didn't want to mess anything up just in case it was something serious
If it just m puked some out and then stopped you are probably good, sounds like it was wet sumped and the crankcase was full up I first start up and then started circulating normally.
Yes, because as the bike sits over winter moisture will develop and make it look frothy when it first runs, after riding and bringing it up to operating temperature it will evaporate and go away.
@@fwgarage2351 During the winter, all the oil from the tank went into the engine. In the spring I replaced it by draining it through a plug in the crankcase. Filled with fresh oil. Everything seems to be working as it should. But it is worth turning off the engine - the oil slowly leaves the tank.
@@Ivan_Bubnov I am wondering if it created a weird vacuum or suction back towards the crankcase pulling the oil backwards in the system. Where was the plug you used in the crankcase to drain it?
@@fwgarage2351 By the way... It seems that the problem went away as soon as the motor began to run regularly...) And the 1/4 hex plug is on the right side at the bottom of the engine crankcase. I can send a photo to whatsapp or facebook
Awesome man! Running the engine regularly can balance the crankcase pressure back out after sitting for a long period of time. Mine always acts a little wonky and then smooths out after I get back to riding it regularly in the spring.
It was freshly changed before winter storage and this was the first start of the season, but it does look a little nasty at first doesn't it, after the first ride it is back to normal.
I have never experienced this unless a bike sat for years in which case I would always change all of the fluids, over a winter it will gain some moisture with the outside temperature fluctuations especially here in Alaska. Usually it will evaporate after running it up to temp for the first ride. Short start ups could be harmful if the moisture does not fully evaporate. Again this is just my experience and I definitely don't know everything or am a subject matter expert. It may cause damage at a molecular level but that shit is way above my head haha.
As a mechanic I tell motorcycle riders this . If your going to start your bike , only do it to go for a ride long enough to heat the oil to evaporate the water out of the oil . Don’t start it if for short periods or you will see the milking of the oil as I saw when you started the bike up .
Dry sump systems on the old BSA , Nortons and Triumph had to be drained out of the the bottom after long periods of sitting or they would smoke badly . For them it was an indication of an oil check valve not doing it’s job .
Gave a thumbs up for your explanation.
Thanks for checking it out and the advice man!
Great advice foryour fellow rider, loveit
It's a dry sump motor and the oil will seap into the bottom end of the motor with long term sitting. If your not going to start it in the winter drain the oil tank and get the bike off the ground so your tires don't get flat spots. Ride safe ✌
Thanks for the info
So this is not something I knew, but makes total sense. Thanks for sharing. Good to know!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks a lot , I just pulled my softail outta storage and it had no oil in the tank, thank god I watched this before I added oil!!!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Glad it helped!
Exactly what I was looking for , clear and understandable
Glad it could help!
I have a 2000 model 883 Sportster that I've had since 2012. The thing used to leave oil everywhere from the day I got it. It sat for a couple of years after I had an accident in '17 that left me in hospital for a while. When I got round to putting it back on the road there's no oil in the tank. The only place it could have gone was into the engine, and after looking at the oil system plan in the manual, figured it must be the check valve which lives in behind where the oil filter screws on. Ordered a new ball & spring & measured the new one next to the old. The old spring had taken a set & was noticeably shorter than it ought to have been. That was 3 years ago and it's been perfectly fine since. The old thing's still a heavy spitter though. It shows it's displeasure at having the oil tank filled up more than half way through the safe zone by depositing copious quantities of oil into it's air filter box.
On the oil pump ther are 3 large straight blade screw caps two on the oil pump and one on the engine block the two on the oil pump. One is a check out the other is a valve check valve under that screw is a spring and a ball if the spring is broke or weak it will allow oil to flow out of the tank into the sump. Is happening to you you might want to check out the check valve and see if that may be the problem of the leaking back to the sump for the video.
This is a great video. It happened to me and your video has helped great job.
Thanks for checking out the video! That style of oil pump I believe is only on the Evo engines, on the twin cams the oil pump is inside the cam chest behind the cam plate.
Thanks for the video man! I was worried about this after having my bike in storage for a couple of years.
Thanks for checking it out and I am glad it could help!
Yep. That happened to me.I added oil. It was not pretty. Blew out all over. Big nasty mess. I had known this first.
Thanks for checking the video out!
Thanks for the info on the fat boy low on oil after storage. I was freaking out a little bit. My fat boys a 2012 but I've never let it set that long. When I didn't see anything on the floor I wondered where it went. Again thanks for the tip.👍
Glad it could help man!
I wish that I saw your video last week. I filled mine and had a geyser on start up.
We have all been there man, main reason why I decided to do the video. Thanks for checking it out!
We normally don't have that problem here in S.Tx. It don't get cold enough to park it any length of time.😅
Lol I definitely envy the southern states in the winter storage season.
Glad I watched this vid before starting my bike I just filled the tank with new oil that would have been a disaster. I’m going to drain the tank start it up then do oil change. Thanks for the vid
I am glad it helped and thanks for checking it out!
Maybe this is why harley davidson manual says to check the oil when hot i think it says this on the dip stick also, apparently some people don't read the manual or they will know this
Thanks, great help. Bike in storage for past 2 years.
Glad it could help! Thanks for watching!
Thanks this just happened to me
Bid idea. Could blew the cylinders
Thank you.
Just went thru it myself and was concerned.
Good video and information.
Thank you for taking the time to check it out. Glad it could help!
Love your videos frank. They are awesome!!
You are the first view on this one! Thank you for watching!
#1 Clean Your Check, #2 Get An Inline Hose Barb Non-Return Valve To Splice Into Your Tank Return Line From The Scavenge Pump.
( make sure you get it in the right way, arrow towards the oil tank; and in the return line from your scavenge pump )
Thanks for the advice!
@@fwgarage2351 and tube sleeves and tube nuts...and don't forget to put them on before you flare.
Good idea thanks
@@garycarbino4945 i have a video on my channel that includes 3 ways to cure sit sump..
go to my videos and watch " Swirl Port Special ( ultimate Crankcase Breather, & sit sump Cure ) "
@@garycarbino4945 the link to that check valve is in the video description...
on Sportsters, it goes in the Smaller Bottom Hose, Arrow Toward The Tank.
I inherited my grandfathers Sportster and am currently in the process of getting it going again. Was wondering why the oil tank was empty. Thank you.
Glad it could help!
i have a 96cubicinch twin cam engine and a flame blue fat boy! 2008 year model! a good bike rides like a train! six gears. i just checked the oil. but when warming up, the engine oil is 90 degrees. 😅
Love mine too!
2000 fat boy, Mine started draining down 4years ago. Should I drain oil then pour back in? or start like you did? Will it damage the rings or walls running with no oil in the tank to begin with? Seems like a lot of time running before oil gets through engine. Thank you.
If you haven’t started it in a few years, you can put a little oil in the tank to pump into the engine on start up however be careful because all of the oil wet sumped in the engine could begin to overfill the oil bag quickly and it will spew out of the fill hole on the oil bag. It is hard to drain out of the engine cases because there is no dedicated drain plug on the engine case.
Spot on!
Hey brother I started my bike after winter storage and I started and it was pissing oil out of the crank case vent I never had any issues with the bike
What year and model? The crankcase may have got wet dumped and filled up to the crankcase vent so pressure on first start up pushed some oil out of the vent. Was it continuous after starting or did it stop after a bit?
92 Harley-Davidson softail heritage classic. It puked out a little puddle then it stopped . I ran it for a couple of minutes and then shut it down after that cause I didn't want to mess anything up just in case it was something serious
If it just m puked some out and then stopped you are probably good, sounds like it was wet sumped and the crankcase was full up I first start up and then started circulating normally.
We all started at zero subs on this platform keep posting ! It’s all apart of the process
Thanks man!
thank you that was very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
So that frothy color is normal?
Yes, because as the bike sits over winter moisture will develop and make it look frothy when it first runs, after riding and bringing it up to operating temperature it will evaporate and go away.
@@fwgarage2351 thank you
Hello !
Oil drains from the Heritage TC88 oil tank almost as soon as I turn off the engine.
What the hell do you think?
I have never heard of that before let me think on it and look at a few things!
@@fwgarage2351 During the winter, all the oil from the tank went into the engine.
In the spring I replaced it by draining it through a plug in the crankcase.
Filled with fresh oil.
Everything seems to be working as it should.
But it is worth turning off the engine - the oil slowly leaves the tank.
@@Ivan_Bubnov I am wondering if it created a weird vacuum or suction back towards the crankcase pulling the oil backwards in the system. Where was the plug you used in the crankcase to drain it?
@@fwgarage2351 By the way... It seems that the problem went away as soon as the motor began to run regularly...)
And the 1/4 hex plug is on the right side at the bottom of the engine crankcase.
I can send a photo to whatsapp or facebook
Awesome man! Running the engine regularly can balance the crankcase pressure back out after sitting for a long period of time. Mine always acts a little wonky and then smooths out after I get back to riding it regularly in the spring.
is this harleyisis chanel?
Change that oil dude... plus you had all kinds of noise from the whole top end. Best of luck
It was freshly changed before winter storage and this was the first start of the season, but it does look a little nasty at first doesn't it, after the first ride it is back to normal.
@@fwgarage2351 my mechanic says change it again even though I didn't ride much but after all that winter the oil loses quality or some shit..
I have never experienced this unless a bike sat for years in which case I would always change all of the fluids, over a winter it will gain some moisture with the outside temperature fluctuations especially here in Alaska. Usually it will evaporate after running it up to temp for the first ride. Short start ups could be harmful if the moisture does not fully evaporate. Again this is just my experience and I definitely don't know everything or am a subject matter expert. It may cause damage at a molecular level but that shit is way above my head haha.
Just curious, do you purge your oil when changing?
What's the deal with all the rust in the oil tank 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That is the crappy side of winter storage, with the oil sumped out moisture gets in and surface rusts inside. It definitely isn't pretty.