Big pushy disrespectful horse behavior from a haflinger. Part 2. Saddling.
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2022
- This is day 1 part 2 of working this disrespectful horse behavior. She is big and she tries to push her weight around to get what he wants. In this part I am saddling her. Took over 20 minutes to get her saddled. See how I correct the pushy and disrespectful behavior. This is part 2 of a 3 part series working this haflinger.
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Tim Anderson
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I bought a Haflinger from a kid that just got on and ran him. Previously he was an Amish stud. Gelded in his teens. He would get impatient like this. It took work, but he turned out to be the best horse I've ever had. He would do anything I asked, and I could trust him to keep me safe. He also would pick things up really fast, three times and he got it. Very smart and sensitive.
I think this one is going to be nice too.
Good choice to leave the "boring" part in. I think it was an important teaching point.
Yes, repetition, persistence, patience. Same with young primates, aka SuperNanny.
It’s only boring to people who think they know everything. Definitely not me. I can promise that. Thank you for the lessons.
I think it's a good thing to leave it in, otherwise people think everything is a quick fix. Thank you for sharing.
Really looking forward to seeing her progress.
It's a shame how people just throw these horses away like trash, after they're done with them. I'm glad someone pulled her out, and is giving her a chance.
Really appreciate folks like you that share your knowledge.
She sure is pretty.
❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎
I don't know why she ended up in a kill pen but I think she is going to turn out nice.
You can see from her behavior that she’s been used to “doing her own thing” for quite a long time. She’s felt free to be impatient. and able to get her own way. When you leave in the so called boring parts, it shows that you’ve just got to put in your time with these horses and engage the brain in a way that’s new to them. I think I’ll subscribe to this channel, this is really good. Thank you.
I am so glad you leave in the ‘boring as watching grass grow’ moments because there is so much good information and technique that makes such a difference. Thank you !!
Good you showed the process. No quick fix to resolving issues.
Glad you have seen some positive results. Looking forward to seeing the stages.
If she was found in a kill pen, she was replaced with the same mindset.
She probably had no time vested and cost to much to feed.
Good she was found instead of being shipped for slaughter.
Thanks for sharing..
Sir, anything you do with horses for our education is not boring. It helps us understand how and why so we can make their life better.❤ I don’t have a horse but I still love them
A lot of her unsettled behaviour is just nerves, as you say, and a lot of that stuff goes away by just ignoring it and not making it into a big deal. If people try and "correct" every small thing you can make a fight out of something that doesn't have to be a fight. Horses will often settle down once they realize you're fair and consistent
Yes. Part of training means knowing what battles to chose.
Same for raising kids.
All your training is not at all boring! It’s so great to see the real thing instead of what looks like miracle working with some other trainers! Thank you for showing us what it really takes to get our horses respect with lots of time and consistency and patience.
Thank you for noticing. Real life training is what I want to show.
It’s interesting to see how the mare is impatient and pushy and your patience with her to help her understand what she needs to do. I like that you left in the part that you thought was “boring” because it’s a valuable teaching lesson. I’m looking forward to the next video in the series.
ALL info you can give is important! (New pony owner here) Thank you!
I like boring---it's very helpful to watch. It's reassuring. Watching your experience doesn't magically eliminate the day to day variables. It's so helpful to learning anything to see how it's done well. And to hear your logic as you 'read' that situation--and watch progressions. TY.
Quite often the boring parts are the most important steps to reaching a goal. It's a bit like making a piece of furniture. The cutting and shaping are done with great gusto and anticipation. Then comes the sanding. And the sanding. But that is what it takes to make all the other efforts shine.
Great comparison.
I actually appreciate the fact that you left the "boring" part of this session with this horse. Soaking up the information, because it's a good learning experience. Thank you. You are really good with horses.
Leaving the “boring part”proves you are an educator, not a show off. Good for you. Excellent lesson.
Thank you! Means a lot coming from a horseman like you!
Enjoying this little series you are doing. I've ridden a couple of Haflingers and they are good horses,but can be a bit stubborn if you let them . I like them for their size and I think they are pretty. I'm short and stocky and they fit me just right!
Thank you.
I love these videos. I learn so much. You are a wonderful teacher. I have a pushy horse, not as bad as she is, so I don't think it will take long for him. It's all interesting, even the parts you call boring, because you're pointing out the bad behavior so it's still a learning experience. And you point out subtle things that I wouldn't have picked up on. Thank you for posting these.
Great job. You are very patient and clear with your directions!😍
This channel has taught me one valuable lesson: pick up their hooves high so you have leverage and not the horse so they can't kick you. Thank you so much ❤
I really enjoy watching you! You are so easy and relaxed with these horses . Your attitude and ease is what I hope to achieve. Thank you 😊
Thank you so much!
Not at all boring!! Not ever. I love watching you work with horses.
Love what you are doing, read recently about a trainer who put lead rope over shoulder and horse managed to get it around her neck and she was strangled to death. That was a pro trainer. Ever since I read that, I stopped putting lead rope over my shoulder. Freak accident, yes, but if it happened to a,pro, it can happen to anyone.
You are SO patient. ❤
I love your videos. They are real, practical and logical. My mare is having similar issues to this horse. Few questions: my mare will turn around and bite me when saddling and sometimes brushing. What is the best way to respond when she bites at me? She will also bite my legs when riding. Any thoughts on why she might be doing this? Lastly, I like your cross ties.. what are they made of?
When one is biting when brushing I usually give a couple days of ulcerguard. If they have ulcers you will usually see an almost immediate improvement. My cross ties are just 1/4" rope from the local hardware store with clips tied on. I have rings screwed into the wood and I attach the rope to the rings with hay string that way if a horse panics the hay string will break.
Thanks!
Thank you
I love this series. Thanks for showing it...on to #3
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank u for these videos
Interesting to watch you in action and also to confirm to me that I am on the right track by mentally training my horse, who often of late tries to disrespect me.
I'm glad that you kept the quote boring Part in.. it is good to see that
What I like about your videos is these horses that I've seen don't seem extreme to me, not aggressive, more like distracted and rude. And the way you respond to them isn't extreme either, you're not chasing and beating them or getting very strong reactions. There are a lot of horses like these, many people just tolerate or manage with tools somehow every day, thinking their horse is not dangerous or out of control, just a bit high strung or restless or cute even in its antics. And also people might not be seeing what could be done about behaviour that has grown little by little, other than punish the horse for it and often that doesn't go well. Either the punishment is not correct, it's just a "hey!", a yank of the bridle, a random slap which the horse ignores, it's just become part of the routine, part of the back ground noise to the horse, or it's something big that makes the horse just frightened and untrusting, like surprising a pawing horse with a whip around the corner or something like that. You're showing what to pay attention to and a great way to respond calmly in a consistent way that makes the horse think and pay attention in turn. These are things people should do with every horse, notice the little things and be consistent in handling the horse, they're good habits to observe.
Also how you speak of where you're at right now with the horse vs where you'll eventually be getting to, and how being consistent in these things like respecting your space, turning towards you, not pushing in with the shoulder or butt, will help with all the other issues.
Thank you.
I don’t like kill pens and people who abuse horses by just using them for breeding or making money this is all wrong she is very strong glad you’re patient with her
You are right by not liking kill pens, I agree with you. However the problem is not the breeders. There is no money in breeding. It's cheaper to go buy a foal than what it cost to breed for one and there is a demand for good riding horses. Horses end up in kill pens because of behaviors that the owners are not equipped to handle. I hope that with these videos that I do that owners have a source to get help before the horse becomes dangerous.
I like that you are not showing any emotions. 😊
I learn so much from your videos!!!Thank you so much,,
I really like your videos.
I realize that Haflingers are primarily draft breed and popular with carts, but they are so beautiful. Are they becoming a pleasure ride as well?
I don't see a lot of them in my area but in general I think they make great riding horses.
Tim I’m enjoying the way you train this horse. You have so much Patience
with them. You don’t try to push her before ready.
Excellent
Amish again, I'll betcha. Fletcher Farms Amarillo rescues Belgian Draft horses after the Amish dump them at the kill pen - old, lame, blind, bleeding, crippled...that's how they repay them for the years of service they've given.
I was amazed that Amish that use horses and buggies will pay people to drive them to town for errands or appointments. The auto transport business is huge in Amish areas. They don’t drive cars but seem too like riding in them
This is a spit image of all the things my horse is doing except the cross ties I don't have them, so these are telling me what to do thank you so I would love more of u working with her. And what do u do about one being still to saddle and get on
I have a couple videos of starting young ones. I talk about standing still in those.
Are her eyes ok? You are a master! Thanks!
Yes her eyes are fine. She's turning her head away from me but watching me with her eyes so that's why the weird look from her eyes.
So if she broke out of the ties do you just tie it back up and or make her feet move and then put her back in?
You mentioned in the first video, the type of halter you’re using. What would you recommend for a big pushy horse? I just got a friesian with bad ground manners and she is very pushy.
For that it is not which halter, it is respect for any halter. Needing a specif halter is like going to a bigger bit. It doesn't fix the underlying problem.
She is just a beauty she needs training
She's definitely responding some , but doesn't like those tethers.
JO JO IN VT 💕😄☃
Thank you Jo Jo
impatient!!!! that's how i get just by watching you with that horse that is going crazy with you .
School of life
She quiets with brushing
Could someone tell me what to do if your kicks out hard when gently putting the cinch up ? My trainer told me to slap his shoulder but I don’t think so… we found it was a behavioral thing not health or tack related. What would you do? Ignore ?
If this is behavior then you need a bigger plan to address the behavior than just slapping his shoulder. To start with instead of slapping his shoulders I would make him move his feet, either backing or in little circles. You'll need to make sure your saddle is tight enough that it dont fall off. I am sure that he is showing that kind of behavior in other situations too and you need a plan to address his behavior as a whole.
Cart horse?
She seems to be walking on her tippy toes.
Is blowing through her nose part of her impatience? What about briefly turning her upper lip up in the air. I saw her do that twice.
Her actions are all part of her trying to be in charge.
Maybe lots of babies and no time with her manners.
Does that horse look a bit pigeon toed?
That is impossible to tell tied, the horse would need to be moving.
honestly don't know but is it possible she is afraid of that hose? (because it looks like a snake)
she just seems to be given that hose a lot of attention like she's afraid of it
I don't know anything from anything so I'm seriously just asking here
You should use stall mats for the cross tie area. That cement or concrete substrate looks slippery. A horse can have a nasty accident on slippery surfaces, and getting hurt tends to give them lasting consequences for handling even if they escape physical injury.
Its exactly the opposite. I've used stall mats in my wash rack and don't like it.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Interesting. I've seen two accidents where horses lost their footing on a slippery surface after spooking and fell. Dangerous.
Normally when they poor cement for a barn they leave it textured so it won't be slick when wet. If you were using a concrete slab like a patio slab those can be slick for horses even when they are dry.
I think most animals that are pushy/mean etc IS because they have been neglected or abused.
Being pushy and aggressive is how they establish themselves in the herd pecking order, and to a horse, you are part of their herd group. Most pushy and aggressive horses have never been neglected or abused, they are trying to work out their herd position with the person handler. That is basic herd instinct.
Wow...before you coveted the arena! She really is just a little sh--...isn't she? 😮
Nope. If she was my horse I would spend time with her out in the pasture brushing and grooming. Walk with her and gain a bond with her and then when she has gained trust in me I would work with her. She has obviously been abused and has a bad past like many of us humans have had. That gal wants to be loved 💕
To my mind his is not the behaviour of an abused horse. More a horse who does not know exactly what is expected and tries to take charge of the situation.
@@sabinelloyd8532 yeah. I get it. 👍
@@sabinelloyd8532 I just got bucked off twice tonight for being stupid and riding a rescue horse who I've cared for for 2 years. I was stupid and rode bareback with a halter and lead line. The owner of the horse hasn't ridden him in 3 years or paid him any attention. I'm not blaming the horse because it was my bad choice.
@sabinelloyd8532
Well, it's a very good thing that you found Tim's videos so you can work safely & correctly with the rescue horse so he doesn't get tossed away again and no one gets hurt either. Wishing you all the best and hope you have a lot of enjoyment bonding with and teaching the rescue horse. So, you can also have a lot of FUN rides in the Future!
Lots of editing and cuts. Let the viewer hear and see everything and make their own decisions from the content.
Don't do this. You are crippling the already sensitive horse owner even more. Don't baby any association with training.
I used to take a lot of pride in showing a complete training session with no cuts but viewer retention was low. I wish more viewers wanted to see training without cuts.
You are not training, you are abusing.
do YOU have a training channel? since you seem to be such an expert I'd love to check it out!?😮
There is no abuse at all, just firm, quiet correcting.
👀There's so much Horse teaches us about our relationship to the world, if we listen. Unfortunately too many blame Horse alone when things get hard and discard them instead of taking responsibility for their end. 🐴💞🪶