I can't believe the verge would get this wrong, the Pebble WAS NOT E-INK. They used transflective memory LCDs, similar in appearance to e-ink, BUT STILL LCD!!
Didn't knew this exist. But on their KS campaign "The new color e-paper display is easy to read and always-on, perfect for displaying incoming notifications and your favorite watchface. Compared with display technology like LCD or OLED, power consumption is minimized, enabling Pebble Time"
I don't think they actually said it was an E-Ink smartwatch, just that _Pebbled paved the way for one_, meaning that without Pebble, we might not have the existing E-Ink smartwatches of today.
When the CO_2 monitor was shown at 6:17 it displayed 1410 ppm which is not healthy. Above 1000 ppm people lose concentration and at 1500 you start to get headaches. Also, 1410 means around 1 in 40 breaths were in someone else's lungs already, so there's that that for the spread of respiratory pathogens. The Verge should commit to improve air quality in their offices by employing mechanical ventilation in addition to HEPA filters in order to comply with the latest ASHRAE regulations.
But what if the back of my phone was an e-ink display? Instead of adding skin decals or cases if I wanted to change the look of my phone I could just select something
I really want a folding phone with bigger eInk display inside and normal oled display outside , so that instead of carrying kindle , we can utilise our phone itself for reading books during commute while saving battery as well
Was thinking the same. Also if the phones or tablets had e-paper displays in the back case part. The colors could be changed, or it could serve as an e-reader.
The reverse would be insteresting too. A foldable like z-flip. Oled inside, e-ink outside. The outside can be always on, and you can see notifications and dimiss them at will.
@@gabriel1rodrigues2yeah wish it becomes mainstream, but there not many fans of non OLED tech , it did picked ip traction earlier, yota phone, eink cases , but all those companies got closed, maybe bigger corps should try again and atleast have it as an option albeit even at a slight premium
As great as the OLED on my smartwatch looks, it's totally overkill for something I just glance for a second or two a handful of times a day. I'm BEGGING for an eink smartwatch that could run for weeks between charges.
Aren't there transparent OLED displays? How about putting a transparent OLED display in front of a color eink display, and being able to switch modes between eink and oled, so when you wanna watch a video, you can use the oled, but for regular stuff you can use the eink display?
@@whiteglitchor the switching could automatically happen after a while of no change, also based on the current activity. maybe some parts of the display could be e-ink while other, changing parts, could stay OLED?
Increasingly I think the limits are being arbitrarily defined by what Amazon limits what its Kindle devices can do. It seems they’re starting to respond to the rest of the market with the Kindle Scribe, but it’s too little too late.
I have been obsessed with e ink for years, seeing the kindle as a kid was the first piece of tech that I thought "oh my god they made sci-fi real". I saw the rise and fall of pebble, and I still think that an e ink smartwatch remains the best design. I have a kindle now but to be honest I spend more time marveling at the display itself than reading anything on it.
E-ink smart watches is the smartest move of them all. You can show the hour at all times. And the refresh rate is 1 frame per minute. So you can save battery to the other coolthings it can do.
Happy to see the BOOX color e-ink stuff getting some attention. I love mine and take it everywhere. So much nicer for note taking and reading than an iPad.
I hate the question of eink replacing traditional displays. No, of course they can't replace them! They're made for a different use case. They can exist alongside LED displays for more specific purposes, ones that benefit from mostly static images and text that need to be changed sometimes, but that don't require dynamic animations.
I keep waiting for a form factor like the Readius, a prototype I saw over 10 years ago. It was a rollable e ink display. Would be the perfect small reader.
Pebble watches never used E Ink (unless there's a model I'm unaware of). [edit: I suppose the video phrases it as "paved the way for an E Ink smartwatch", rather than outright calling it E Ink] They all used transflective memory LCDs (sometimes branded as "e-paper"); meaning LCDs that could both reflect and transmit light (so you could use a backlight), and had on-board per-pixel memory to retain an image and allow for partial updates. They still require a(n extremely low) of current to keep displaying that image. (Nevertheless, that's close enough for similar kinds of "static image displayed continuously" applications, while having faster refreshes.) The Playdate uses the same screen tech (albeit purely reflective, not transflective).
A little more history: “The story of E-Ink begins in the 1970s when Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) started working on the development of electronic paper. The idea was to create a display that could be easily updated with new information, but still have the look and feel of traditional paper. This early research led to the development of Gyricon, a type of electronic paper that used rotating bichromal beads to display images and text. However, Gyricon was limited in its capabilities and never gained widespread adoption.”
the 'democratization' comment coming from a guy at e-ink is pretty infuriating - it's their patents that obstruct the progress of e-paper like products!
E ink is honestly such a good technology. Right now the only thing for venting me from wanting to fully switch most of my every day things to it is that I am stuck in the Apple ecosystem.
I'm sorry but thats hilarious and ridiculous at the same time. Stop buying into the stupid marketing bs all these companies push. You can buy any products you want even if they aren't Apple products...
Early in the pandemic time frame I bought myself a digital audío device that ran Android so i could play both my large local collection of music and still stream if needed and an android based eink tablet. I wanted to get off my phone more, not be distracted by notifications coming on over w/e I was listening to and still be able to read when light sensitivity is high. Some of the best investments in myself I have made.
Stopped watching the video at the 2 minute mark. Bad ad, badly placed. The repeated flashing of "presented by Meta" was distracting enough. I already pay for UA-cam premium. I shouldn't have to endure more ads.
The only problem with the use of "electronic paper" is that other manufacturers (notably Pebble, as someone else also commented,) use the term "e-paper" or "electronic paper" to refer to completely different technologies.
I still daily drive one of those old pre-Kindle Sony E-Readers, I had to replace the battery and the official store closed down years ago, but it's still going strong.
I am fascinated by e-ink, but here in Brazil we have few options regarding e-readers. Kobo came to Brazil some ten years ago and I bought a Kobo Glo that already had internal lights and read epubs. Kindle came down here a few years later, but I was very happy with my Kobo. Problem is that Kobo left the country, so it´s just Amazon and Kindles now. I like Kindle, but Amazon is too comfortable and the Kindle hasn´t changed that much if you compare it with other companies. We should be able to buy a colored Kindle by now, at least.
Loving mny new Onyx Boox Palma! Installed KDE Connect and Syncthing, plus KOReader synced with Calibre on my laptop. Set up a virtual network with ZeroTier, so now all my devices are connected and in sync. Note-taking using Obsidian and KOReader for easy highlights export.
Love my e-ink device for reading and note taking. The problem comes with task switching - as soon as I need to do something that's not great on e-ink, I need to move to another device. I'm all for specialised devices, but they're also expensive.
What we need is an e-ink display that also has OLED. So when off or running an app that doesn’t require low screen latency (like an eReader app) it will use e-ink. Huge battery savings if we could get this to work.
e paper is soooooo expensive !!!! :( i think thise tec soooooo cool ... status display for smart home, weather stations... and and and... but this is so fffffff expensive :(
I've followed E-Ink since the original Kindle was released, I'd love to see reasonably high resolution with color displays, I don't need video I just want something that can display full sized textbooks, comics, etc.
E-ink makes a lot of sense for signs, and it's obviously great for long form content on e-readers. I'm not sure color e-readers make a lot of sense until the technology improves. All the color e-ink displays I've seen have looked washed-out, which isn't ideal for things like comics and newspapers, for example.
E-ink tech gadgets has the potential for future widespread mass adoption, if more and more of members of the public become aware of its advantage (for sound deep sleep at night) over the sleep-disruptive aspect of blue-light emitting current computer screen tech (utilised by modern smartphones, tablets, LCD-LED tvs, laptops, and desktops among others).
Dasung has a new tablet/secondary monitor(quite small) that "seems" to have a really, really good refresh rate. Non color. The videos framerates look very good.
We just need an e-ink phone case… ie one side of your phone and then there is a companion app for the opposite side… your case. Would be rad for book reading, and fun dynamic wallpapers or various informational widgets
We do not need a flying or floating car. What we need is the best car and the best plane/boat to get the most of both worlds in 2 different purpose devices. Let OLED be in tablets and snartphones and E-Ink be in e-readers but push each technology to its limits ❤
I want an e-ink monitor and I want color e-ink to be as vibrant in contrast as black and white e-ink. But, most importantly, I want them to make it feel suuuper close to paper. Even the highest end e-notes still feel slightly off
yeah this vid didn't even answer the question literally bloated the definition of e-Ink and the lore surrounding it Mentioned ACeP without going further jeez
TV - OLED Smartwatch - eInk like earlier amazfit watches / most of garmin/ coros watches Smartphone - oled Foldable smartphone - eInk/oled both , like yota phone , sadly they closed it but that was amazing phone imagine samsung galaxy fold with eInk now , that would be awesome for readers
What gadget do you most want to get an E Ink makeover?
Kinda miss my pebble
Smartwatches need to bring it back, in force.
Bring back pebble with e ink tech 😢
I want a color bulletin board with a plexy cover so you can use dry erase markers on it.
smart watches!
We need E ink patents to expire
most of them did
weird that they didn‘t even mention it
instead they interview the sales contact of the company, sigh😊
Yeah parents are what prevented LED, OLED, LCD for every catching on 😂. Eink just didn't catch on because of its limitations.
@@Jeez001e ink parents were very disciplinary
I can't believe the verge would get this wrong, the Pebble WAS NOT E-INK. They used transflective memory LCDs, similar in appearance to e-ink, BUT STILL LCD!!
Which is another underused tech. So far only saw it on pebbles, garmins, and the playdate. Maybe some 2010s car systems?
They’re not tech people
Didn't knew this exist. But on their KS campaign "The new color e-paper display is easy to read and always-on, perfect for displaying incoming notifications and your favorite watchface. Compared with display technology like LCD or OLED, power consumption is minimized, enabling Pebble Time"
@@theglimy epaper is not eink. It's a term they made up since "transflective memory LCD" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
I don't think they actually said it was an E-Ink smartwatch, just that _Pebbled paved the way for one_, meaning that without Pebble, we might not have the existing E-Ink smartwatches of today.
When the CO_2 monitor was shown at 6:17 it displayed 1410 ppm which is not healthy. Above 1000 ppm people lose concentration and at 1500 you start to get headaches. Also, 1410 means around 1 in 40 breaths were in someone else's lungs already, so there's that that for the spread of respiratory pathogens. The Verge should commit to improve air quality in their offices by employing mechanical ventilation in addition to HEPA filters in order to comply with the latest ASHRAE regulations.
In the following few frames it then shows 1844. In other shots it shows between 690 and 770.
@@DangerFieldProdIf you breathe on it, you can max it out! 😂
They're not super useful when setup directly next to a breathing person.
But what if the back of my phone was an e-ink display? Instead of adding skin decals or cases if I wanted to change the look of my phone I could just select something
and it can even be used to show notifications or the time always on display
there have been several phones like that already
It already exists
There have been companies that made those but most of them went bankrupt
I really want a folding phone with bigger eInk display inside and normal oled display outside , so that instead of carrying kindle , we can utilise our phone itself for reading books during commute while saving battery as well
Was thinking the same. Also if the phones or tablets had e-paper displays in the back case part. The colors could be changed, or it could serve as an e-reader.
The reverse would be insteresting too. A foldable like z-flip. Oled inside, e-ink outside. The outside can be always on, and you can see notifications and dimiss them at will.
@@gabriel1rodrigues2yeah wish it becomes mainstream, but there not many fans of non OLED tech , it did picked ip traction earlier, yota phone, eink cases , but all those companies got closed, maybe bigger corps should try again and atleast have it as an option albeit even at a slight premium
i remember seeing a phone like that, or maybe a phone CASE like that. i don't remember who made it though
This is my dream phone.
As great as the OLED on my smartwatch looks, it's totally overkill for something I just glance for a second or two a handful of times a day. I'm BEGGING for an eink smartwatch that could run for weeks between charges.
My garmin instinct 2 watch gets 21 days on a charge.
There used to be a company that made it, called pebble.
I have a fossil hybrid. I think ti can go 2 wks maybe.
My Garmin watch is used 24/7 (literally) and to track running sessions (GPS), and lasts almost 2 weeks on a charge. Has oled screen.
Agreed. Half the point of the convenience of a watch is lost when you have to charge it every day.
I don't want light to keep streaming into my eyeballs all day, big fan of e-ink
I have bad news for you about how human vision works...
@@asystole_you already know what he means. No need to be obtuse.
Aren't there transparent OLED displays? How about putting a transparent OLED display in front of a color eink display, and being able to switch modes between eink and oled, so when you wanna watch a video, you can use the oled, but for regular stuff you can use the eink display?
even better the switch could happen automatically depending on the app you run
@@whiteglitchor the switching could automatically happen after a while of no change, also based on the current activity. maybe some parts of the display could be e-ink while other, changing parts, could stay OLED?
Increasingly I think the limits are being arbitrarily defined by what Amazon limits what its Kindle devices can do. It seems they’re starting to respond to the rest of the market with the Kindle Scribe, but it’s too little too late.
I use a Remarkable 2 ePaper tablet daily- e-ink for productivity is (to me, someone who is easily distracted) unbeatable!
I've been a user of Kindle for a long time, been waiting for a a great E-ink color display for graphic novels/art books.
I have been obsessed with e ink for years, seeing the kindle as a kid was the first piece of tech that I thought "oh my god they made sci-fi real". I saw the rise and fall of pebble, and I still think that an e ink smartwatch remains the best design. I have a kindle now but to be honest I spend more time marveling at the display itself than reading anything on it.
E-ink smart watches is the smartest move of them all. You can show the hour at all times. And the refresh rate is 1 frame per minute. So you can save battery to the other coolthings it can do.
pebble was was a kind of lcd
"maybe the goal is not to replace all screens, but just the ones that make sense" - so true
Man meta manages to advertise everywhere dont they?
Waiting for dem Harry Potter newspapers to come to life
Exactly!
Happy to see the BOOX color e-ink stuff getting some attention. I love mine and take it everywhere. So much nicer for note taking and reading than an iPad.
I wish it could support more sophisticated note taking techniques like backlinks, or trackers, without needing a keyboard.
The video I have been waiting for :). Love e-ink. Need more in my life lol
I hate the question of eink replacing traditional displays. No, of course they can't replace them! They're made for a different use case. They can exist alongside LED displays for more specific purposes, ones that benefit from mostly static images and text that need to be changed sometimes, but that don't require dynamic animations.
how does something like VS code look on an e-paper display ? I imagine, Developers looking at code whole day could use this as it is mostly text
I keep waiting for a form factor like the Readius, a prototype I saw over 10 years ago. It was a rollable e ink display. Would be the perfect small reader.
"Are you pausing this video to read these?" Owen knows us too well.
Lol ayyy
Can't wait for the innovation once rhe patents run out in 2026.
Also prices will come down as the bulk of the cost is the single supplier screen.
presented by Meta, ew
Purple is objectively the best color
Pebble watches never used E Ink (unless there's a model I'm unaware of). [edit: I suppose the video phrases it as "paved the way for an E Ink smartwatch", rather than outright calling it E Ink]
They all used transflective memory LCDs (sometimes branded as "e-paper"); meaning LCDs that could both reflect and transmit light (so you could use a backlight), and had on-board per-pixel memory to retain an image and allow for partial updates.
They still require a(n extremely low) of current to keep displaying that image. (Nevertheless, that's close enough for similar kinds of "static image displayed continuously" applications, while having faster refreshes.)
The Playdate uses the same screen tech (albeit purely reflective, not transflective).
yas get that meta money
A little more history: “The story of E-Ink begins in the 1970s when Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) started working on the development of electronic paper. The idea was to create a display that could be easily updated with new information, but still have the look and feel of traditional paper. This early research led to the development of Gyricon, a type of electronic paper that used rotating bichromal beads to display images and text. However, Gyricon was limited in its capabilities and never gained widespread adoption.”
Everywhere i hear about a new technology, it traces itself back to one name XEROX
They should put e-ink on the back of an iPhone
There's a case you can buy that does that.
the 'democratization' comment coming from a guy at e-ink is pretty infuriating - it's their patents that obstruct the progress of e-paper like products!
Why are you wearing two smart watches?
E ink is honestly such a good technology. Right now the only thing for venting me from wanting to fully switch most of my every day things to it is that I am stuck in the Apple ecosystem.
I’m sure Apple will invent e-ink within a decade.
xD I would love an e-ink iPhone and iPad.
I'm sorry but thats hilarious and ridiculous at the same time. Stop buying into the stupid marketing bs all these companies push. You can buy any products you want even if they aren't Apple products...
What a sad life you must lead to be caged into a commercial ploy by your own admission.
Do what you want, use what helps you.
I'm in love with the narration in this video. I'm not sure what her name is, but I hope she does more videos in the future
This is a V Song ink appreciation comment
2:22. that illustration was seriously awesome.
it's right out of science-fiction and steampunk blueprints
Early in the pandemic time frame I bought myself a digital audío device that ran Android so i could play both my large local collection of music and still stream if needed and an android based eink tablet. I wanted to get off my phone more, not be distracted by notifications coming on over w/e
I was listening to and still be able to read when light sensitivity is high. Some of the best investments in myself I have made.
Stopped watching the video at the 2 minute mark. Bad ad, badly placed. The repeated flashing of "presented by Meta" was distracting enough.
I already pay for UA-cam premium. I shouldn't have to endure more ads.
The only problem with the use of "electronic paper" is that other manufacturers (notably Pebble, as someone else also commented,) use the term "e-paper" or "electronic paper" to refer to completely different technologies.
would love a flip-esque phone with one oled and one e-ink display tbh
I’ve been waiting decades for E-Ink tattoos to exist.
A lot of faff but no new or even insightful information from this video. As expected from the Verge, I suppose.
Honest e ink readers are dope
All I want is (affordable) e-ink wallpaper. Is that so much to ask for?
meta .. really ? wow
as a musican i would like to use a e-ink tablet to replace my 10kg of sheet music i carry around with me regularly
Victoria is the GOAT 🐐! A good (not the exact) replacement for Dieter! 😢
I still daily drive one of those old pre-Kindle Sony E-Readers, I had to replace the battery and the official store closed down years ago, but it's still going strong.
I really enjoyed this. Victoria’s great.
I miss Pebble, what a tragic story...
Thumbs down for the Meta sponsorship
I am fascinated by e-ink, but here in Brazil we have few options regarding e-readers. Kobo came to Brazil some ten years ago and I bought a Kobo Glo that already had internal lights and read epubs. Kindle came down here a few years later, but I was very happy with my Kobo. Problem is that Kobo left the country, so it´s just Amazon and Kindles now. I like Kindle, but Amazon is too comfortable and the Kindle hasn´t changed that much if you compare it with other companies. We should be able to buy a colored Kindle by now, at least.
Loving mny new Onyx Boox Palma! Installed KDE Connect and Syncthing, plus KOReader synced with Calibre on my laptop. Set up a virtual network with ZeroTier, so now all my devices are connected and in sync. Note-taking using Obsidian and KOReader for easy highlights export.
I want a colour e ink phone so bad
Samsung Alias 2. My first cellphone back in 2009. Had an e-ink keyboard.
E-Ink is super great for utility purposes!
Put it as signs around the world, not just regular TV'S
There's way too much CO2 in that room!
e ink would make great street signs and billboards where LED's have to fight the sun. The amount of heat an led billboard puts out is a waste of money
Love my e-ink device for reading and note taking. The problem comes with task switching - as soon as I need to do something that's not great on e-ink, I need to move to another device. I'm all for specialised devices, but they're also expensive.
Magnadoodle? Oh you KIDS, you should remember ETCH A SKETCH!
What we need is an e-ink display that also has OLED. So when off or running an app that doesn’t require low screen latency (like an eReader app) it will use e-ink. Huge battery savings if we could get this to work.
🆔 🔌 👩🏻🐈
e paper is soooooo expensive !!!! :( i think thise tec soooooo cool ... status display for smart home, weather stations... and and and... but this is so fffffff expensive :(
I've followed E-Ink since the original Kindle was released, I'd love to see reasonably high resolution with color displays, I don't need video I just want something that can display full sized textbooks, comics, etc.
Loved the video. Very useful! Thank you
E-ink makes a lot of sense for signs, and it's obviously great for long form content on e-readers.
I'm not sure color e-readers make a lot of sense until the technology improves. All the color e-ink displays I've seen have looked washed-out, which isn't ideal for things like comics and newspapers, for example.
E-ink tech gadgets has the potential for future widespread mass adoption, if more and more of members of the public become aware of its advantage (for sound deep sleep at night) over the sleep-disruptive aspect of blue-light emitting current computer screen tech (utilised by modern smartphones, tablets, LCD-LED tvs, laptops, and desktops among others).
A good review until it isn’t… some really speculative questions, the verge could be better 😂
Dope and Quality content right here
Dasung has a new tablet/secondary monitor(quite small) that "seems" to have a really, really good refresh rate. Non color. The videos framerates look very good.
We just need an e-ink phone case… ie one side of your phone and then there is a companion app for the opposite side… your case. Would be rad for book reading, and fun dynamic wallpapers or various informational widgets
It exists already, has for years.
We do not need a flying or floating car. What we need is the best car and the best plane/boat to get the most of both worlds in 2 different purpose devices. Let OLED be in tablets and snartphones and E-Ink be in e-readers but push each technology to its limits ❤
I want an e-ink monitor and I want color e-ink to be as vibrant in contrast as black and white e-ink. But, most importantly, I want them to make it feel suuuper close to paper. Even the highest end e-notes still feel slightly off
yeah this vid didn't even answer the question
literally bloated the definition of e-Ink and the lore surrounding it
Mentioned ACeP without going further
jeez
I love how long they last. I could see this technology being good for long trips, camping, and survival.
This video ironically gives me eye strain and makes me realize how much I could benefit from getting back into e-ink.
Fab video, super interesting and educational! Apropos of nothing, why two watches??
oh so it's like the 3d printing thing, there's only innovation happening now because the patents are wearing off 20 years later?
Yeah, that Dasung display isn't appealing at all once you see the price tag
E Ink tattoos!
When your favorite gal changes but doesn't have the same name.. np!
I think the elephant in the room is macular degeneration. Optimize for that and your niche is assured.
At least you could have copied tech altar's script , this is so under researched and missing many latest developments
For a very large device just for reading (needing large text) any suggestions?
too bad pebble didn't made it. i Really loved that watch. I was so excited to have the one with colors on it.
Why hasn't anyone yet used it as a display for synthesizers. Would be great.
I hope they develop it more and match OLED.
God bless.
How come Alex Cranz didn't present this video? 😛
They had a real Facebook ad in the video? That is dystopian in the way it was made.
It’s modern paper with benefits.
Plane and simple.
When they can get the price down a little more on tablets this will probably do a lot better
Pebble, pebble. Pebble pebble pebble. Pebble.
Finally bought a 11th gen Kindle, it's amazing.
Seems like the kind of person that could use e-ink display on her arms.
i’m bringing a picture of her to my dermatologist so i can look like that
what was the watch shown? it wasn't a pebble and it wasnt a fossil hybrid
There is still no affortable eink laptop on the market, wtf?!
5:44 I was surprised
I hate it that you now work under Metas control....
Yes, yes we want ro displance some conventional screens
TV - OLED
Smartwatch - eInk like earlier amazfit watches / most of garmin/ coros watches
Smartphone - oled
Foldable smartphone - eInk/oled both , like yota phone , sadly they closed it but that was amazing phone imagine samsung galaxy fold with eInk now , that would be awesome for readers
Is there a tablet or monitor that i can use google on??