SILO - Book Reader Rant! Upset about adaptation of the Apple TV Plus series | Wool
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2023
- One host who read the Silo series of books by author Hugh Howey has a HUGE problem with how the Apple TV+ show adapted an important scene from the books! The other host, well, he read the books years ago, forgot everything that happened in the novels, and he loved the second episode Holston's Pick.
Juliette, an engineer, pieces together what might have led to a co-worker's mysterious death.
Holston's Pick season 1, episode 2
Directed by
Morten Tyldum
Writing Credits
Hugh Howey ... (based on the book series 'Silo' by)
Graham Yost ... (created by)
Graham Yost ... (written for television by)
Jessica Blaire ... (written for television by) &
Cassie Pappas ... (written for television by)
Jeffery Wang ... (staff writer) &
Lekethia Dalcoe ... (staff writer)
Cast
Rebecca Ferguson ... Juliette Nichols
David Oyelowo ... Sherriff Holston
Common ... Sims
Harriet Walter ... Martha Walker
Tim Robbins ... Bernard
Will Patton ... Deputy Marnes
Geraldine James ... Mayor Ruth Jahns
Ferdinand Kingsley ... George Wilkins
Shane McRae ... Knox
Remmie Milner
Chipo Chung ... Sandy
Billy Postlethwaite ... Hank
Matt Gomez Hidaka ... Cooper
Peter Gadiot
Olatunji Ayofe ... Teddy
Ayaaz Tariq ... Deputy Brooks
Kumbi Mushambi ... Larry
Michael-Alan Read ... Toby
Music by
Atli Örvarsson ... (music by)
Cinematography by
Mark Patten ... director of photography
Film Editing by
Hazel Baillie ... (edited by)
Casting By
Cami Patton ... (us casting)
Suzanne Smith ... (as Suzanne M. Smith) (uk casting)
Production Design by
Gavin Bocquet
Art Direction by
Simon Elsley
Phil Harvey ... supervising art director
Daniel Swingler
Olly Williams
Set Decoration by
Amanda Bernstein
Costume Design by
Charlotte Morris
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I understand why that changed it. They wanted to move the big reveal to the end of the last episode rather than in the first or beginning of the second. It makes sense from a TV narrative point of view. They saved the big twist till the end so it makes people want another season.
Understand that thought. I'm upset about all the viewers who didn't make it to the end. Who quit the show early or in the middle. in my opinion, they could have kept them along for the ride, like the book did
@@DoublePMedia I agree with your points and I wasn't happy with the change either but once I finished the series I understood why they made that choice. I don't agree with it but from the point of view of shaping the story for TV I understand the logic.
First 3 episodes were really great. Series do not have to follow the book material 100%. I am telling this as someone who read all 3 books and watched the 1st season
Glad you liked it. If you watch our podcasts on the series, you'll see I liked some changes/hates some others. Catfish, who couldn't remember the books, has a similar yet different, love/hate relationship with the series.
After watching the finale I came here and it makes sense why they didn’t explain this twist I think that early. They dragged the questions out a little farther of not knowing what the heck was going on. It was a gamble on their part
Thanks for leaving a reply! The reader learns the outside world's condition on page 40 of the book. A viewer learns the same thing after 10 episodes of the show. Which changes the experience of Juliette's cleaning - in the book, it's "oh no, Juliette's gonna die" tense --- while in the show, it's "What's gonna happen" tense.
The show version is not "bad" - it's just delays a payoff. The book is great BECAUSE there are so many payoffs- and so soon.
@@DoublePMedia As I stated: Not for me. During the whole season that beautiful outside world thing seemed fishy and questionable. And now after the season I have questionsmarks why the Silo even had such a projection. In fact: I still dont know why because if you want to keep people complacent IN the silo a beautiful outside world is not really a good argument. So why the heck does this exist at all? Readers will know. I don't. These questions remain and I like it that way.
@@greenling.the tv show wasted whole season on the fake screen plot. Plus all the unnecessary side stories. George flashbacks, childhood drama etc. show was weak compared to book
@@greenling. - it's because they want the cleaner to clean the camera lens making them think that if they do, the people inside Silo would see that outside is beautiful when it's not. Then the people inside sees what the actual outside looks like clearer making them be more complacent because inside is still better than what's out there.
@@donsph Complacent? How is showing the people inside the reality outside meant to keep them down? There's nothing outside. Your argument makes no sense.
I agree with you too! They shouldn't have made that change! Also, the author has said that the "wool over your eyes" saying is why he named the first story "Wool". So changing that messes all of that up!
there may be a way to get this story back on track... but with each passing episode, I get more worried
Exactly my assumption that the suits were poisoned to keep them from coming back.
Here is the comment you are all searching for.... Last book of the series "In the end, they do plan an escape to the outside. Juliette figures out that the poison in the air is actually coming from the supposed argon sent out with cleaners. She theorizes that the air further away from the silos will be fine. Her theory is supported by Donald and Charlotte's brief view of a colorful world via drone. The Silo 17 residents head outside in modified cleaning suits. In Silo 1, Donald and Charlotte recruit a night guard to their cause and Donald plots to blow up the silo, thus eliminating the eventual destruction of all silos but 1. He convinces Charlotte to escape outside while he executes his plan. Charlotte eventually meets up with Juliette and crew just as they discover clean air, green grass, and a stockpile of supplies. Life on Earth will go on."
LOL - Thanks Aaron. I'm glad you wrote it like this, because TV watchers will wonder: Who are Donald and Charlotte?
@@DoublePMedia True but I only wanted to convey the main point that there is a chance of the outside world being clean away from the Silo, though it still isn't definitive and I will still watch the show. Thanks for your upload about it will be keeping up with your future uploads
This was my complaint about the show is they don't give enough clues and they could have written it where the audience knows something the characters dont. Also I think Common's acting is so wooden, it's a big uff for me. Common takes me out of moment.
Have you seen the most recent episode 6? Like Episode 5, it has almost NOTHING from the book, but it does have a big firework ender.
Giving the viewers hope is a way better strategy for movie.. now it’s way too simple of a story.. knowing what happens when you go outside takes away the mystery…..
Respectfully disagree Joshua. The book didn't give readers hope, told them it's a toxic outside world on page 40. Readers still kept reading, loved the book, and given it an insanely high rating on GoodReads. In the show's world, some viewers might feel like they've been jerked around. Hopefully not.
@@DoublePMedia as a reader you already know what to expect but as someone who hasn’t read it yet. They don’t know what to expect
So in there head They might have some glimmer of hope for the outdoors
As a reader you are only focused on the silo but as a viewer you are thinking about a larger conspiracy
I think writing for tv is very different than writing for books. It should stay true to the plot, but the rule of tv since you don’t have as much description and inner monologue is to show, not tell. If we’re told in episode one that outside is toxic… then it’d change the entire mystery and appeal of it AS A SHOW.
That being said, I’m curious what y’all think now that the season finale is out.
Thanks for your feedback! We'll have our episode 10 thoughts out on Monday. But to spoil that video, I think they made a good TV show out of great source material. I just wished they'd made a great TV show out of great source material. Have you read Wool?
Not yet but I did buy the whole series in a box set while watching your video cuz I’d love to see the differences and get spoilers for the future of the series. 😂
Yes you are right! For movie/tv adaptation some stuff have to change . But let say you order a "beef steak" every cook have their own way of doing it and what ever it look at the end. In my mouth I must taste a "beef steak" not taste a pig, chicken or goat steak... If it is not a "beef steak" then it must be at least a "cow steak" not a "horse steak". The course meal is not done yet so hope it will taste like a "beef steak".
This makes me glad Roadside Picnic TV adaptation never came to be. Tv can ruin an awesome adventure sometimes.
It's still 'good' - it's just for some odd reason, the show is trying to be a different type of story than the books are.
I stopped watching the show at episode 4 I think (never read the books). It reminds me of Lost, bringing up 1000 mysteries and questions but never really giving many answers.
I just want to know if the books explain why there is no elevator in the Silo or how they clean the air if it is in fact toxic outside or why they would treat the mechanics level as lower class people when they are in fact the people who have the most power and importance (yay, tropey social commentary) or how they've dealt with humans not seeing the sun (vitamin D) or why when the Sheriff died with his wife, they're the only two bodies out there when there should be many bodies from a century or more of cleaning and how do they have an endless supply of suits or beer bottles.
That's the show for me. 1000 questions a second. No answers. Just some uninteresting murder mystery involving a bunch of miserable, uninteresting characters. It's like they decided to make the most boring version of the Fall Out games.
The book is not like LOST. Readers learn early, page 40: The status of the outside world. When the 2 murders take place, the reader knows who did it, how they did it, why they did it.
There are a few shocking reveals that come in the last quarter of the book, but they are not shocks because the book was hiding them... they're shocks because the reader was never considering them. The book doesn't feel like Lost.
I assume the TV producers changed it to be more like LOST because they didn't understand the thrill of the novel would've worked just as well on TV. I keep mentioning Game Of Thrones because the book reminded me of Game of Thrones with its gut-punches and narrative twists.
@@DoublePMedia But why doesn't the Silo have an elevator?
@@RMartian76. To keep people fit from running up and down. Or…if you had an elevator, you’d need it to break down and trap someone for days, or it plunges and kills dozens.
I just watched the first 4 episodes of Silo with my wife last night and was glad you had a podcast for this since I always follow your Only Murders podcast. I never read the books but I definitely thought that the green might be fake and I figured the air was actually toxic based on the way they shot it. Once Holston removed the helmet he looked surprised and they showed close ups of his face and wouldn’t show us the outside world anymore.
I think the opposite of you though. I think it’s better that it’s a mystery if the show wants to continue for a while.
Love this feedback! Let me know when you finish the season if you still agree
I have only read the graphic novel, i knew about the "small screen" and the tape.. my problem is the show moves too slowly. I'm on episode 6 and i'm losing interest fast...
We talk about those in our podcasts - really hoping they can build the momentum in the final 4 episodes.
I've a question I can't find online - Is it possible to pick up the second book in the series to get the rest of the story from the end of season 1 of the TV show or is it just too different?
No. The first season only covers HALF the first book ‘Wool’
I actually remember that part in the book which makes me think I did read it , or perhaps my wife just screamed it out 😂.
But that is the fun of the show, the mistery! Viewers can't be sure if what they are seeing is the truth or not. Is the outside really poisonous or is it all a big manipulation? So people have to guess and theorise until the very final episode.
I am a huge fan os the books and my husband never read any, so he had no idea while we were watching. And it was really fun for him to discover the truth piece by piece. Also the ending had a bigger impact on him because not only did he discover about the other silos, his hopes that maybe Allison and Holston were alive were crushed lol Its different from the books, yes, but is also very smart and instigating since the informations are not easily handed over.
Love every book reader, so thanks for the feedback! Glad so many like the show's take on the book. However, it did frustrate me at various times including this second episode. Be sure to check out our thoughts from the end of the season.
I love the show but I have to admit that you have a point. I think they should definitely add POV from point of Holston after he removed the helmet. That would make it it little bit better and people who watch it would not crreate crazy conspiracy theories how its ok outside. But on the other hand I enjoy people doing that. So idk, if its better or worse than books. We will see how it will pogress in next episodes. I personaly love the third book the most and consider it best because we can read how it all started. I would say more reasons why its best but i dont want to make huge spoilers here :)
Thanks for the note: Xion! I don't want anyone who loved the show version to NOT love the show version. It's simply that I loved the book version.
Please help!
Tell me why then did the view screen glitch in the cafeteria showing the world as green and lush for a split second when the generator switched to the backup?
Why would they have the false video image intended only for the suit to be loaded onto the cafeteria view screen?
I believe the show is going to stay true to the book and the outside world is in fact contaminated.
I just can’t figure out the why behind the view screen glitch showing the Eden like false image.
If someone knows the answer I’d love to know.
Also, what other new reveals do you think have been added to the show that are not in the book?
Thanks
I think they may be dumbing it down for those don't read the books.
@@micheleheeder possible. But why did the screen glitch and show that outside was green and clean? And why did it switch from night to day on the screen?
@@buildamillionbridges6153 Lets ignore the 'in universe answer, and assume the show producers did it:
#1. They want the outside world to be a mystery, so they have to keep teasing viewers so when the show finally reveals its a toxic wasteland in reality, the viewers will be 'crushed.'
#2. Because this first season won't cover the end part of the book, the silo in-fighting won't happen, unless they create a new show-reason for internal fight.
A new reveal- my guess would be the camcorder shows an image of Donald Keene, a character from the 2nd book SHIFT.
@@DoublePMedia not covering the end part of the book at the conclusion of season one would be a serious rip off to the fans and a clear case if trying to milk the story.
Thank you very much for your insight. I love the story but couldn’t figure out where they were going with some of their clues. Couldn’t figure out if they were departing from the source material.
Again, thank you for clearing up some of the more confusing plot elements.
No spoilers here:
Just finished watching show today. Read book a long time ago. I enjoyed both.
Here was my problem with Ep 2: The generator repair scene. They open up a generator while it is running, but it should have been full of hundreds of PSI of steam, so that would not have been gentle. On top of that, the turbine had no stators (in a steam turbine every other stage spins as part of the shaft while every other stage is stationary). Also, assuming the silo uses 60Hz the generator would have been spinning at 3600 RPM, so it would have taken a long time to slow down on top of being extremely hot. The best way of doing a repair would have been to eject the damaged blade (that somehow didn't cascade into taking out every other blade on the turbine), then removing the blade 180 degrees from the damaged blade. The damaged blade could then be fixed up and could be ready to install in a few generations when the generator needs to be shut down again.
I just tried looking up the point at which steam can cause steel to glow (in the show it looked to be about 800C), but the steam calculators cap out at 374C (3185 PSI) because after that the steam is super critical. That was neat to learn. Anyway, a person being that close to something radiating that much infrared energy would literally cause their skin to catch on fire. This is the reason high temperature suites like what are used in foundries are all reflective, its a mirror that reflects the energy away from the user. On top of that the steam coming from the hose would have also cooked the person in there.
I know I can't expect things to be super realistic, but for the heat/slowdown it could have taken a long time while IT is threatening to have everyone arrested as power has been down for 6hrs already. This would also allow the glowing plate thing to be skipped.
No, I am not very fun at parties. Why do you ask?
LOL - We're here for all feedback!
are they changing it from the books though? We saw a glitch in the cafeteria glass window when the generator had to be shut down that showed a second of a an outside that was clean and vibrant with a blue sky and living tree, why would this be the case if it were dead outside? And why would they put a screen inside the suit for the cleaners to see a living world?
Good points. What I would argue is that the fact that the show made it confusing or debatable what's going on outside is the change that drove me crazy; not that the reality of the world outside the silo is not the same.
Apparently, according to the shows creator, that wasn’t his choice that something they did an editing to try and keep this mystery alive. They probably felt that the show wasn’t all that intriguing. So having this big overarching question across the entire season, made it more interesting.
I do agree it was not very clear at all that the helmet was projecting fake image. Also why would they clean the camera… they know that it doesnt look that way inside so cleaning doesnt so anything?
That reveal was right at the beginning of the book. And it was such an important part of the book, that everything after it was based on the reader knowing that reveal. I hope the show can still work, but it so much of its own thing.
@@DoublePMedia if they just had his pov taking off the helmet and seeing his wife it would have gone a long way.
What the show Silo does is keep the viewer guessing. It doesn't spoonfeed you the truth. It challenges you to question what you are seeing. When you tell stories in this way, it keeps your audience engaged. It's superior storytelling, or at least more fun. What a drag it must be to know all along what Juliet figures out in the finale.
I'm glad you like it, but the line "spoonfeed you the truth" is ridiculous. Everyone who read the book loved that version. And if you can't see that, you are trapped in the silo underground.
@DoublePMedia Well, wasn't the book Wool initially told as a series of short stories, and that reveal was the end of the first story? That makes sense as a haymaker you throw *at the end* of a story. I'm sure the books are good. The world is very well-built, and characters are all pretty interesting. I'd definitely read it if I had the time.
It was a good selling point. I couldn’t figure it out and bought the book. Mows I’ve read wool and shift dust up next haha
Hugh Howey singing “Cha-ching” ha
I haven't heard anyone mention anywhere that the mayor's husband is named Donald in the TV show, but in the books there is a character named Donald that we are introduced to later that has nothing to do with the mayor
What have been your thoughts on Silo so far?
@@DoublePMedia I like it but both the book and the show have some issues when it comes to conveying certain things. I hope the show does better at shift than shift did. I noticed that Bernard seems a lot more likable in the show then he does in the book and the whole judicial thing kind of feels wonky but I do like the actor that they got to play Sims. But I feel like their hyping him up as too much of a villain too soon. I wouldn't be surprised if the show makes a bunch of changes because looking back and even during reading there were times where I felt like the other didn't know where he wanted to go with it. Because I don't think we ever see Sims again except for one time in dust. I started watching the show before I went through the books, I remember when I was thinking while watching the first episode and now I kind of feel like what I was thinking was it a lot of ways cooler. Like a whole colony of former cleaners out in the wild.
@@DoublePMedia I subscribed
See the twist-- Didnt know that as a show watcher. I was wanting everyone to go outside. Do you have a review with spoilers on book 2.
We won't dig into specific spoilers until our spoiler section on Episode 6. All our other 'spoiler' videos are more talking around spoilers
But you still get that "gut punch" (not as hard because you saw her wife die first) and getting "to clean" is still a threat because of that exact reason (they DO die), is just that you're not so sure of why they die: is it because the world is fucked up or because they poison them before going out?
In any case setting up the reveal that the authorities are purposely keeping the divergent/rebellious thinkers's hopes up, as another method of identifying and controlling them, for later makes for a much better twist and pace, and the greatest gut punch of all: there was never a scape, it is all part of the system. It reminds me a lot of 1984, evoking such a masterpiece would be nothing but good news to me if I was one of the writers of this show.
Gacu001, there are HUGE numbers of show-only viewers who believe people do NOT die when they go outside the silo. They think the scenes of people dying are fake. The show has muddled this terribly imo.
@@DoublePMedia I'm a show only viewer :P. All those things did pass through my head (maybe their deaths were faked, is the world healthy?, etc.) and it didn't diminish at all my enjoyment. You don't need to know everything "on the sport" in a TV show, it's way more entertaining when you question what is going on and you expect for future episodes to clear everything up.
If anything is bad about the plot up to that point is that you don't really care about those characters (the sheriff and his wife) since you see them for so little time. We are now attached to Juliet, and you DO feel the danger of her getting caught and sent "to clean" or just getting plain murdered.
Bubba has officially told this show to get off his lawn (be that lawn contaminated or not)!
LOL - just watched episode 3. Another rant coming next week - sigh
I don't get how can anyone complaint. They are actually improving it. The books series is very sloppy after the first book, and everything they changed works towards making it better. And they preserving what made the first book so good, the fact that it jumps protagonists and every new protagonist shows us a piece of the puzzle. I can't wait to see Bernard's episode.
100% agree that after the first book, Howey's tight story gets off-track at times. HOWEVER, I think the 1st book is near perfection, and to see the team creating this show to ruin my personal favorite moments, I had to rant. I'm pretty sure that I said that "Silo is still good." I just wanted Holston's cleaning, and now The Mayor's tragic end to be handled more like they were in the books.
@@DoublePMedia I am not totally convinced the show is going to kick Jewels out the door or have her find a different path down below to silo 17.
@@DoublePMedia Make another video with all the spoilers. Soon I'm sure everyone will be searching for it!
ah marvel disney victim...and leftist, i am right?
@@DarkownerMinimalist Just someone who has read the books and has writing experience. I don't take part in your political war.
100% - what were they doing? The scene was confusing
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Question, what is judiciarys role in the books?
Judicial is not mentioned much in the books. (I assume this is a big spoiler coming in the show) Sims works for Bernard = the true power in the Silo
I'm late to the discussion, but seems the shows is taking creative liberty with the graphic novel version more than the short story/book.
WITHOUT QUESTION - after about the 3rd episode, the show decided to go its own way. What have you thought of the show so far?
@@DoublePMedia overall it's ok. Like any book based TV show, they certainly are making it for the braoder audience.
what is Episode 2 twist ? i have not read the books.
Basically, it is in Holshton’s view (book) and you see him remove his helmet in shock of watch he saw (a wasteland). The tv series, you just see him remove his helmet as he suffers and dies through the screen in the cafeteria.
Just found this and am curious if guy on the right still feels they ruined it after seeing the whole season? I just finished reading the books after watching the show, and now kind of wish I hadn’t read them (book 1 goes wayyyy past the series, to what I;m assuming will be Season 2; book 2 is frustrating as it is a prequel, and book 3 picks up after book 1). I noted the differences and had almost the exact opposite reaction - I couldn’t believe the book spoiled things too soon! LOL! The “relics” are handled differently as the children’s books apparently have always mentioned the world before the disaster, and several characters are different (Martha I think is a man, Walker; Billings is Peter, instead of Paul in the show, and George and the Hard Drive aren’t even close!). But different mediums so I get it; I think I preferred the tv show,how they set things up, but this may be that you tend to prefer which one you read/saw first? I had already suspected there were multiple Silos, I didn’t expect the whole Silos 1 and the duplicity of the way they were built (tho I never did understand why there were no elevators, as a way to keep people separate? To keep them healthy/less reliant on tech, except,of,course they were wholly reliant on technology, and obviously must have had the, to build the dang things…and have to admit I skipped most of book 2 when I realized it wasn’t covering Juliette et Al; after Book 3 I want to back to 2 but I wonder how much the series will cover? Still, the absolute best sci fit series I’ve watched and read in ages, and has inspired me to carry on with a couple books I started, using his method of doing short stories is an amazing way to do it!
Guy on the right here: I touch on that a bit in this video: ua-cam.com/video/r5TZc9--VD4/v-deo.html But my short answer: They didn't ruin it; they made something good, not made something great like the book. While it worked for some viewers, I've heard from many who dropped the series along the way or were bored in the middle. imo if they'd been truer to the book, everyone would've loved it
Is that dude on the left one of the Boyle clan from Brooklyn 99? If not he looks a lot like one of the Boyles
If you're his SAG/AFTRA agent, no
Good point. By the end of episode 2, I feared that there would be no answer at all and almost dropped the show.
Seing the twist back then would have made it clear that the series actually has some depth (and that it was not a simple empty mystery to trap viewers in).
Thats true. But they did something that kept me hooked: They focused on seemingly different things until things started to come together more and more. What really would have disappointed me would have been no payoff to the "whats outside" question at all after season 1. Comparing the story telling of this with e.g. last season of Game of Thrones this is triple-A rating while GoT barely gets to "C".
Lighten up buddy!
The show is practically perfect on RottenTomatoes!
Tell us the final end of the books😡 We don’t have time to read or watch. Seriously😡 u write “spoilers” but not much. 😡
For real though!! Just tell us what happens
seriously lol book snobs are so damn annoying. I'm having such a hard time finding a video that just says wtf is going on.
Wikipedia
There are multiple silos. It all started with nanobots that could have destroyed society. But humans nuked it to get rid of the nanobots. So the world is unhabitable for 500 years.only one silo can be chosen to regrow society. If the other one is found, it starts a rebellion and that silo will be destroyed... Basically at the end they (Juliette and someone named Charlotte) find land at this place called the seed with breathable sir and food to regrow society.
Juliette goes outside and she walks over the hill to find another silo and it's revealed that they're living in only 1 of 50 silos controlled by silo 1.
Ok so from my perspective. I binge watched the 10 episodes and didn’t know it was based on a book. I loved the show and all the mysteries of wanting to know what is next kept me interested. If the first two episodes were told from Holsten’s perspective and it was revealed what he saw when he took his helmet off, I think it would have taken away from the story/mystery. I think the twist of when she said her helmet was the display made it a bigger twist, and the tape is important. Than if you go back and rewatch the episode the impact of what Holsten sees when he takes his helmet off is also a big impact. I did see a couple spoilers for the next book and wish I didn’t. So in my opinion if you read the book, than it will take away from the show. This is more of a mystery show with reveals that keeps you wanting the next episode, and rewatching from the perspective of knowing what’s happening, you can understand the gut punches you missed the first time. I will read the books once the show reached its conclusion not before for this reason…
Zombie, I gotta be honest... every book reader experienced it by understanding what happened to Holston at that moment, and it's one of the highest rated reviews on GoodReads. Therefore, I think if it'd been truer to the book, you still would've liked it. Maybe have even loved it more. Every book reader did.
@@DoublePMedia I’m not saying it would be bad, but its a major change throughout the entire first season. If u already know outside is in fact hazardous than that changes the imoact of the ending. Finding out the view on the helmate visor is the lie, and the view is real blew my mind. Not to mention the curiosity building throughout the series. So, watching it from both perspectives of knowing than not knowing, i liked the view through show version better. I binge watched it twice! Lol! I wanted to see if I should read the books before season two. I liked the second run through too, picking up stuff I missed on the first go round.
Understanding what happened when holsten took off his helmate….But seeing it through two views, i liked not knowing better and the impact the show version gave me. Everyone has thier own opinions🙂
Unfortunately what has been seen cannot be unseen! No matter what Bernard says! Lol!
The show had up and downs in the writing. More donws than ups for me. They had a fckg filler episode in a 10 episodes show. Common! That episode 3 was pure garbage I almost gave up the series.
Yeah, episode 3 was either people's favorite or people hated it
It looks like they may take this in a different direction from the book. When they had a power serge the series screen flickered a green lush field when in the book it could only be projected on a 2X8 inch screen. Also, I think Jewels may find a door to silo 17 down below instead of being cast out. I have no idea, just guessing. Apple may just turn it all be just a big mystery box so people will talk.
No enough book readers. QED!🧐
Allison & Holston - I loved the story arc on tv show.. then a couple weeks later I watched the rest and now I am googling for answers until I found this.. Thank you! And I am one of these fools thinking the poison is within the suit.. but now i got wonder how Julie will survive season2 since I now know the truth...
You make a good point Bubba. I read the books years ago and forgot about that twist. Watching Holston go outside in the show wasn't bad but a repeat of his wife's cleaning and a bit underwhelming.
I wholeheartedly disagree to the statement that the purpose of the frist chapoter is missing in the show. To be honest, yes, its a bit mystery-boxy because you cannot be sure but actually while watching the show there were hints and impressions that something was or is not right with the outside - I mean, the Sherrif (Holsten?) died out there despite "sending" in the message that the world was beatiful. And then whenever the beautiful outside world is shown, it is way too beautiful and gives the impression of a red herring. It was one of the great strentghs of the show to just hint at this and just hint at what might have happend. Plus: During the whole show I wondered why - when the world is so beautiful and people can survive out there - the former sherrif either died (can't be sure from the impressions in the episodes because could have been faked) or didn't die but never returned (not satisfying from a story-telling pov). So all in all I am very happy that this was left ambiguous till the end of Season 1. For me it didn't take of the creeping suspicion that "going cleaning" might not be too desirable. Especially because it lets you much more focus on the situation in the Silo from Jules' perspective.
Now after Season 1 and without reading the books one cannot even be sure if the world is truly toxic or if people get intoxicated when leaving the silo. (well I happened to read a spoiler and now know the answer) For me this is as much important to uncover stepwise as are the motives of the illusive man guy running the show in the Silo behind the scenes. So from story telling perspective no issue in my eyes.
Greenlig, I love your feedback, even if we disagree completely! Was there ANY part of the show that you wish was more like the books?
Also, she loved George and Lucas.... Hrmmmmm
All of the changes are just bad!!!!! The book was fine just the way it was. There was no reason to make the changes that they did. They did not advance the story or the characters at all. They weren't necessary.
Hope you enjoyed all our Silo rant videos :)
How to americanize every good book when making a series? A few simple rules:
1) Add a lot of police. A LOT! - the book has only 4, but I guess your target audience is not ready for that ! :)
2) Add a lot of crime. A LOT! - crime is not a problem in the book silo, but - of course - in the series its the main activity. Something you need all that police for?
3) Forget the original story, just make it a love thing between a weird clever guy and strong female character. People, grow up!
4) Add a villain that dominates the story and - as we all know - will spectacularly loose in the end. Some grenade blowing him to bits or a slow motion fall off the stairs into the void ...
Apart from that I like the series, its watchable, entertaining. But it has lost all the ingenuity and finesse of the books because someone always thinks that their audience - Americans - are not ready for shocking concepts: less guns, less crime, less violence, less police, less politics, less fixation on sex - you know, all the things that are quite common in many developed areas of the world. Its sad that this is still the kind of protection these wimps need :)))
Wonderful feedback!
So it's not just Amazon who fks up adapting from the source material ( i.e. beloved Book series') like LOTR, WOT, etc.
Are GOT(till season 5, after that it's a shit show, I know. Since there are 5 books out only) and 1408 movie the only good adaptations(theatrical ending not the director's cut) ?
Sometimes I think writers think "I have to change this for TV/Film" and then go overboard. It happened here.
I think its more like "I can write better story/ending" or " I can't just copy paste the books here I have to insert something to make 'em see that I also got talent since my edit of the story is superior." @@DoublePMedia
I feel so sorry for book snobs…
I feel sorry that you didn’t read the book
This is 100% correct Bubba. In just watching the episode you think 65-75 percent chance the sheriff and his wife are probably alive and the silo is a scam. While the book sets up the real dire situation. That mystery is too big to be mishandled. I went out and read the book immediately after and was perplexed why they made it a mystery here. It undercuts the rest of the series until another cleaning is needed. Catfish's point about book/ show differences is not valid here because the series is based on the distopeon environment it's a big deal. This would be as if GOT only showed Jamie seeing Brandon and for it to only be confirmed 5 episodes later that he is crippled, you misused your hook here. I think this will turn viewers off. Please keep making these as well as the spolier book companion video.
I intend to add more spoiler discussion into the future podcast, going to have to say goodbye to Catfish, who read the book but remembers nothing.
I agree with the guy on the right!! Lol
Good choice!
I think the show did it better than the book. The book presents an omniscient perspective, whereas the show feeds us information as it would occur to characters. Doing this was handled beautifully in regards to the outside. Juliette and the others inside can only see the events outside through the camera, so if the camera is presenting a Plato's cave version of reality, that's all they have and so it's all we the audience have. We know Holston and Allison died and that they experienced the outside in a way that encouraged them to clean, and perhaps Holston knew why, but the other silo'ers are just assuming it's because of what they've been told. In a story about the power of deception, the difference between what Allison, Holston and everyone else knew was strattled perfectly so that going to clean was a terrifying prospect while we were able to contemplate whether it should be, to doubt. This doubt about the official story, about everything they've been told, is the heart of the story and influences the characters so why shouldn't we be in it with them?
Your reaction is unique... looking at GoodReads, not many people had your take on the book. Did you read the book after the show?
@@DoublePMedia I did actually, then proceeded to read all three, so I have a good basis to compare the following seasons. So I experienced the whole first season not really knowing whether the camera feed was unaltered, not really knowing what Holston knew the moment he took his helmet off. Granted the first season only covers about half the first book, Wool, the way they did it in the show added a level of intrigue and motivation the book lacked.
Why do a major twist in the first episodes?
It worked better to save it for the end.
Have you read the book? That’s how the book did it: a big twist reveal right at the start - and everyone loved the book (It was ‘Bran out the window’ of Silo). Also, it might have prevented the lukewarm reviews Silo got from tv critics. and kept the viewers who dropped the show invested
@@DoublePMedia I can't imagine the show being reviewed better because it gave away its biggest secret in the second episode.
Books and tv shows are different media. The type of people that stop watching a show because of one episode they don't like would stop reading a book because of a plot point they don't like.
Take any of M Night Shamalan twist movies. If you reveal the twist before the end the film doesn't get better
@@danielhall1226 The book was reviewed better and it gave away a big secret on page 40. It is a better reviewed book than the show was reviewed: www.metacritic.com/tv/silo/season-1
@@DoublePMedia name an adaptation that reviewed better than the source material. I can't.
Name a tv show that gave away a major plot twist like that in the first few episodes? Books are different from visual media in regards to story telling. Also Wool started out as a short story that was expanded upon. It wasnt designed from the beginning to be as fleshed out as it was. The show peeled back the layers at a good pace imo. I haven't read the books and only recently learned of them so I don't know where the story goes. But with all the internal struggle in the silo they could have mailed that reveal for two seasons. If Fallout wasn't producing a show soon I'd add a lot of their story beats to the show as well.
I may read or at listen to the books while waiting on the second season
@@danielhall1226 The 2 examples I've been using: THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER movie over source book, and GONE GIRL - the movie is a beat-by-beat recreation of the book, both equally loved.
Be mad at the show, but not because it doesn’t perfectly adhere to the book. It’s an adaptation and a different medium. If you could guarantee it was identical in every way there would be no reason to watch it. The show is lazy with character development and clumsy with narrative, but you’re mad that it didn’t match something else that you’ve already consumed? And that other people are engaging with it without having read the book… but it’s the fact it’s different to the book that is upsetting you! You were clear that being frustrated is not the same as saying it’s bad (I did not like the show, to be honest) but your point kind of boils down to “I read the book! Please tell me I’m good for reading the book!”
I believe if you watch the whole video, I am not attacking the show for every change to the narrative.
Your argument that the show wouldn’t be worth watching if the narrative was identica to the books I don’t think that argument holds water. Can’t remember if it’s this video or a different one where I mention the movie adaptation of Gone Girl. The narrative is identical, and everybody loved the movie as well as they loved the books.
They are always people that need to destroy, nitpick and over-analyze RELAX......stop taking yourself so seriously. Your opinion is always more important... that's why you have it. Excellent show.
Have you watched the video? Cause if you think we're taking ourselves so seriously, you haven't watched the video.
darn, wish i hadn't watched
booohoooo
LOL
The lead actress is awful. Boring to watch, the character is unlikable!
That's a problem that we've been debating on our podcasts ua-cam.com/video/mH5AwXs_yDw/v-deo.html
I think the show did it better I'd rather not know whether it was the suit that was poisoned or the outside environment that was poison it was a good 'mystery box' rather than being spoonfed the answer. The show did a great job of giving us mysteries to think about and then actually giving answers before ppl get bored and then giving us more mysteries. By episode 3 they've basically moved on from the 'cleaning' plotline to George's murder/suicide plotline the story kept moving at a good pace.
While I respect that opinion, the phrase "spoonfed" reads dismissive. You loved it and that's great, some others did too. However, a number of viewers bailed on the show for the very reasons you liked. Looking at the GoodReads score, the book had universal love. The show's Metacritic audience score reveals it ended up with a niche love. That's the show's failure imo