SPOTLIGHT: “Failure of Generals in Kargil led to soldiers being used as cannon fodder,” ex-Major
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2024
- Spotlight: “Generals ignored vital inputs leading to Kargil intrusions going unchallenged. Besides, they used troops as cannon fodder,” alleges ex-Major Manish Bhatnagar, who was a Company Commander of 5 Para. Dismissed from service for raising concerns, he has sent a legal notice to former Army Chief, Gen. Malik asking him to withdraw his statement to media that “Kargil was an intelligence and surveillance failure”. Bhatnagar produces “sit-reps” of the time reporting of intrusions in Jan-Feb, 1999, to rebut Gen. Malik’s claims.
A no hold barred interview. Maj Bhatnagar has come out as a brave, honest Officer who holds the Chetwood oath that of Honor & Welfare of Your Men come before You. What an excellent narration with full honesty and commendable memory. May God bless him & his likes. Great job by the interviewer too.
Not an officer. Right wing
Why major bhatnagar could not be reinstated with all the due benefits, he should be given retiral benefits of brigadier,as his career spoiled by incapable generals
Thank You Sir. I know Col. Satnam Singh Maini, who came to our Society in Mumbai. He was an ex Kargil War Soldier. He too said the same thing, that the Army was Cannon Fodder, when I got to know him.
Maj Bhatnagar hat's off to you. Real loss of our beloved soldiers can't be replaced, but the culprits must be published still after even 25 yrs
You really think that is possible in most corrupt India? Really?
MAJOR BHATNAGAR IS AN EPITOME OF AND OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN. Having known him and served with him a OG GURKHA soldier TO A PARATROOPER..his conduct has always been of the highest impeccable order . He always stood up to his convictions and kept the interest of the men he commanded always ahead of his. It's SAD what he underwent. And his fightback to clear his name and IZZAT is commendable. We hope to see the truth come out FAIR AND SQUARE.
GOD BLESS AND HAPPY LANDINGS...we have a wonderful PROFESSIONAL ARMY AND A SECULAR FABRIC .THE COUNTRY IS PROUD . GOD BLESS ALL THE BRAVE SOLDIERS VETRANS AND THOSE WHO SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES FOR THE COMING GENERATIONS.
My father fought in Kargil war and first statement he said after returning from war was that it was the failure on the part of Generals who did not access the situtation correctly that resulted in so many casualties of Jawans...
Kon sa mistake huwa tha Bhai
Top Generals of Indian Army were hell bent on their standing that its just some few terrorist who have occupied the heights with little equipments denying all the inputs that it was Pakistani Army who had been sitting there with all the Ammuniations which resulted in the loss of whole company in starting days of war...Puri ki puri company saaf ho gyi tab b ye hell bent the ki kuch 10-15 terrorists hai bas.....
Obviously you have never been there so these stupid comments
what about the stupidity of the then GoI to "not cross the IB or LOC" diktat to the services
@@rtc675 If top generals give input that there are only few "militiants" at the peak how can any government order army to cross LOC and wage all out war ? If they had told it is full fledged Pakistan Army so it would have been a full war.
The fact is generals closed their eyes in the beginning, and towards the end they did not want to sound stupid.
I remember very well that even after 2-3 years, the Army never said it was NLI of Pakistan consisting of 4000 troops, in the media, and only around 2006 when junior officers and Brigadier Surender Singh who was court martialed and stripped of rank wrote an article in press the truth came out.
There is a old saying -- " when the Army wants to hide facts , even YAMRAJ & his yamdoots can't uncover them.."
Not true. This type of things led to destruction of kingdom. You can hide your weakness for long time and not get caught and get rewarded. But sometime the things crumble and country is destroyed.
There is an old saying in punjabi vehre aai janj te bino kuri de kan. Preparedness of war vis a vis the glorious victory.
Govt shd intervene in this officers wrong dismissal n give him back his honour, he is victim of senior officers arrogancy n made a scapegoat to hide senior officers incapbilties
Heartbreaking to hear that whilst middle ranking officers are on the frontline facing enemy bullets, Senior ranked officers don't take the situational reports sent to them seriously and use juniors as cannon fodder. Afterward, they are in the forefront of laying wreaths on their dead bodies. Shameless.
Those seniors were also middle order or juniors once in their lives. They did not get to this position overnight. They were overseeing the war with their experience. Anyways, befitting reply was given to the enemy and war won and today we celebrate glorious 25 years Rajat Jayanti to it
Nonsense
@@sangeetabocki If a company commander in his situational report states that his troops are facing heavy fire from the enemy 10 kms inside our own territory, is it not the responsibility of the Div commander to get the matter investigated or is it their job to file such report as routine matter.
@@arunsharma-eb4ps yes, should have been investigated. On the story weaving side, I feel as Indians did not budge because they wanted to check bjp’s war readiness, Pathans were called from Afghanistan to fight off Pakistan.
Indians hold there defence forces especially army to highest regards but questions should be asked where due. Blunders were made by top brass in 1962 and 1999 and they should be held responsible for it. Also, not to mention the chandigarh lobby has been pushing for foreign arms imports . Recent , news of Stryker acquisition even when drdo Tata Whap is available and better than Stryker in every aspect. Preference given to T72 over Arjun, AK 203 over any indian options and the list goes on. We always wake and rush for emergency procurements at the last minute during conflict
Great episode, Kanwar Sir. Seems true what Major says as I saw complete interview of Brig Khushal 9n another channel
Shame on those GoCs who took things so lightly. MoD must act on this
Maj Manish Bhatnagar was a very efficient and hardworking officer, I have known him since the day he got commissioned and till Kargil days. He fell prey to high handedness of Army hierarchy.
In Indian Army ..Top ranking officer are mostly chutia
Sometimes it is the decision making and not the hard work or efficiency of a soldier which determines his fate. Sometimes it happens in split seconds.
Thank you for being brave to state this sir.
@@satyapriyadarshi93 he stated high handedness and not headedness, another auto correct fiasco. Not to be taken seriously.
Did you fought the Kargil war?
Gentlemen... what a awesome conversation. No holds barred... pin point Q&A. Thank you for this video and salute you for the services to our homeland.
Sleeping General awaken with the tune of sacrifice of so many juniors Army men
I made a stupid comment earlier and deleted it, sorry.
Everyone must listen to the COMPLETE interview. May this soldier go strong and get his due.
Humbleness & humility is the virtue of the greats. You seem to possess the same in abundance Sir. Wahe Guru Kripa Karein.
Absolutely right. Unfit troops should not be committed in to battle, jeopardizing their lives!!
Come what may, the truth must prevail and the general public must know the reality or the failure of the generals if any. Hats off to major Bhatnagar .
My feeling is that this officer made scapegoat to cover the failures of senior officers in chain of command. 🙏🙏
No one is scapegoat in the army. General court martial is done with proper procedures, look at the number of rings, threads on his wrist. Right wing army not having enough skills to survive in objective world. Anyways after Covid and online world, army too is loosing its charm and relevance as a virus can kill you better than a bullet or an infiltrator must be sitting next door keeping track of all your online activities. Wake up people come to the next level. In fact in this day and age people marry across continents to at least avoid such battles, humanity matters.
@sangeetabocki your judgement reeks of your political affinity. Kindly provide facts to support your statement rather just stupid judgements of a person's character based on his beliefs.
@@ajiteshbisht5804 Only a soldier would know what value does the statement ‘discretion is a better part of valour’ holds. I see you both do not know.
Nice to see that someone is speaking of Intelegence failure.
Repeatedly we loose Brave soldiers due to poor surveillance, vigilance and Inteligence.
Intelligence is much more sophisticated now with drones et al being used
Sir I m part of defence. You have balls to ask questions again mighty higher ranking officers.
"Yes man” are the most danger persons in military
Mr Sandhu saab I congratulate you for this interview. However it seems like there were some gaps left and Mr Bhatnagar was not given enough time to complete his story because of either lack of time and also the interviewee being cut off by you. I would say it would take a 1.5-2 hour interview to completely cover this distinguished ex-Major's story because its now apparent that the army was aware of the intrusion and some generals just sat on the information provided by this Major and many others. Those generals should be court-martialed.
Do you expect the generals to ferry around borders sitting in their jet planes everyday ? They have army units deployed for this. Not reported/lapse of intelligence.
@@sangeetabocki Please watch the interview again, Mr Bhatnagar has clearly given evidence that Indian army was given evidence by Major Bhatnagar and many others about the constant firing by pakistani posts inside Indian territory and posts constructed by them. Even 5 jawan were injured in the firing and 1 jawan lost his life due to firing by pakistan in Jan-March 1999, atleast 3-5 months before start of the Kargil war.
@@pkmkb007 I would suggest you to watch more interviews and research about the event than just jumping on to conclusions on the basis of a court martialed soldier. Story is completely different. Anyways cross firing and infiltration along side borders is normal, keeps happening in Punjab Jammu and Kashmir all the time. And as stated by general Manikshaw once that those terrains can not be claimed in winters as it is freezing cold up there. soldiers come down from that point only while going up around april march that they noticed infiltration and movement of troops. Relax. Look back and feel proud that we had the might to regain control of our territories. Covid killed more people in India than any of the wars put together. Think from a global perspective to avoid snowballing any negative perspective around national issues.
Eye opener interview about military brass
Case should be registered in supreme court of India.Good luck MAJ.
Major afraid of making tall statements never has done that.
Sandhu ji you are renowned journalist I request you take up this recent revelation to highest level so the truth comes out and Army History of Kargil War should be re written will actual facts.
All the relevant questions asked by the interviewer. I think to further dig into this episode, we need interview of brigadier Devinder Singh, CO A K Srivastava and most importantly major general budhwar and Lt General Kishan Pal and their staff officers. Sadly Kishan Pal is no more, but his staff officers can shed light upon this episode.
You can see Brig Devinder Singh’s detailed interview on Vaad & Fauji Days
It's very rude of u to put someone u invite with an unequal chair.
Major Sahib sahi bol rahe hein
Truth should come out so that it is not repeated in future.
real eye opener to all my countrymen. I wish him best of luck and humbly request him to plz continue on this journey to reveal the actual culprits of huge and priceless losses of our fearless brothers on those icy heights.
There is a serious point in what Mr Bhatnagar is making. Intelligence failure is one part of discussion.
What is important is that why the military leadership jumped to a conclusion that only a handful of terrorists were in action. Secondly the did not bother to cross check with field commanders. Thirdly they failed to absorb the pressure put up by outsiders (mainly the negative publicity in the press about failure to prevent it). Generals should not think like common people in spite of public pressures and insults. You are sending innocent troops into war it is not a game of cricket, the price here is precious lives.
Our Generals should do some introspection before commonman questioned them. The press should be very cautious in reporting war matters. Undue pressure is unwarranted.
In Kargil situation our troops should have surrounded all infected mountains for weeks together cut enemy supplies and used only air power. In the meantime, the army could have threatened to cross LoC if pak nor withdrawn
Kuch generals ki galti ne 527 jawano ki jaan le li
Koi karwai nahi aaj tak
Who are the culprit
Unko aaj bhi bachaya jaa raha hai
Sir i m very happy to see a photograph of shaheed bhagat singh on wall
Tea is fantastic
@@huzaifanaveed3410 aate ki line lambi hai
@@huzaifanaveed3410Bankruptcy is Fantastic. Aur ISI Kitna deti hain Indian channels ki comment section main hagne keliye.
@@nilanjangupta763 ISI Kuch deti ha nahi laikin Hindu dushmano yad rakho or daro us waqt say jab Pakistani public or army ma 30 percent log true Muslims ban jaeen gay.Abhi to ye 2-3 percent Hain or baqi 97-98 percent to aap he k life style k log Hain.Na sikhoon ko 1984 bhoolay ga na Pakistanio ko 1971.Na Sikhs tumheen muaaf kareengay na Pakistani.
Excellent professionaly ... both gentlemen
Shocking truths shared
Totally agree .. full enquiry needed
Major Bhatnagar hats off to you sir
Very important issue of revealing the truth, so the mistakes are never repeated.
No truth.uploaded video for mere viewership.Indian army is one of the best in the world.
Koi Army ko kamjoor ya galat nhi bol rha bhai yaha... ye baat Top general's ke failure ki hai. Same baat operation Pawan ke time hui thi. General's apni galti nhi mante yaha, main problem ye hai. Baki apni infantry se jyada tagdi infantry du iya me nhi hogi bhai😊@@Dadasahab1234
Salute Major
Shameless generals......just because of their negligence our jawans lost their precious lives.
Great interview..... i can feel it in my bones Maj Bhatnagar is speaking the truth.......its obvious some Generals got away scot free, especially the Corp Cdr and the Goc of the Div !!
there should be a judicial enquiry headed by a judge on kargil tragedy!
The judicial inquiry and White Paper on Sri Lanka Peace Keeping Force is still to muster.
Absolutely
Bravo Manish!
Nice!! Thanks for telling the truth. But no general was punished for the leadership failure. This was also so clearly brought out by various articles by Brig Surender singh and also excellent book on Kargil by Harinder Baweja
The situation is similar to that of 1962, when the Indian Army was ordered to throw out well entrenched and supplied PLA troops, with unprepared and poorly supplied Indian troops over the objections of senior army officers. At that time it was due to political interference but the Kargil debacle was entirely due the negligence of the army command structure, which ignored repeated warnings of front line officers about the enemy occupying vantage positions more than six months before the commencement of operations.
Thank u sir for such an amazing interview. God bless u . Just a question was major bhatnagar courtmartialled?
Yes
I agree with the statement of i agree with the statement of this Ex. Major.
07:48 Something which is truthful, how it can be improper
Thank you. I have always suspected this. This first came to light in the TIME magazine's report of the Kargil war - where they used the words "India fought in World War 1 style"
🎉🎉Salute🎉🎉
There are some generals who are good at war , before the war and after the war . During war they just disappoint
Well said. ❤
Very true.that time I was in Dehradun. Bhudhwar was an accidental GoC who enjoyed Golf during kargil conflict.Saw him in mohw college: termed him as chocolate cream general
There is some unholy nexus that led to sudden rise of an otherwise sealed as Brigadier VS Budhawar with Malik becoming Chief in 97 and Budhavar suddenly making to Major General and General incharge of sensitive Leh Kargil Siachen Laddakh area is all too fishy that cost the nation what it did in Kargil year and a half later.
A lot of brave men were sent to death for failings and sheer incompetence Senior officers. And to add to that they were willing to court martial brave officers for cowardice. The same problem possibly exists today. The rot went right up to the top.
I believe what Mr Bhatnaagar is saying is true.
Maj Bhatnagar
My sincere salute to you Sir. U r a hero now and forever
Mukul
The man is a coward.
I ws in kargil.
He refused to attack...by quating various reason
Did Vikram batra give reasons....
Did manoj pandey...say so..
Shameless he is
Thank you sir for keeping forward your story. I hope truth prevails.
Good interview to search and discuss the truth! Gurbani teaches Truth is high, yet higher still is truthful living. Please post truth about Indira Gandhi's nefarious Operation Shanti. Indian public needs to know the real truth especially in light of Punjabis and Sikhs are being labeled Khalistanis.
Truth of failures are hidden to save the skin of leadership. When Khukri was sunk in 1971, it was because none of the 3-ASWs were fit to detect submarines lurking around them. Of these three ASWs Kuthar was not for operation and due to boiler malfunction had to withdraw. The other two were told that Pak Navy is bottled and would not dare to venture out of Karachi. Adm Kohli was leading the Western Naval Command and would not consider his fleet Admiral's concerns. When bravado becomes the basis for military leadership, we will fail to take action. General Malik should have been asked to resign.
I fully agree with the discussion taken place , the fact that Failure of generals lead to lots of casualty took place could hv been avoided easily & worst is a gen. got promoted as coas later shameful
Politics is everywhere. One must be aware of it.
Excellent. Sandhu Sahab.
amzing cover!
I am impressed by how articulate this man is and how he goes into meticulous details of what happened during the war. Also the processes and procedures being followed by the army in general, and for correcting wrongs committed are very impressive. Indian army is world class.
He is more phony and filmy.
@@sangeetabocki i cannot valudate that, but indian army had history of sacking good people whereas incompetent idiots occupy top ladder, sam manekshaw is eg, lt gen hanut singh rathore etc , officers invloved in ipkf operations were superseded by peacetime idiots whom play golf and do enjoyment in parties etc...
@@yoyomodiji nothing relaxes and enchants me at the same time as the fragrance of brewing sarcasm and freshly mowed lawn.
@@sangeetabocki itni English nahi aati mujhe Hindi medium ka hoon ,please thoda easy English ka upyog kijiye 😅
@@yoyomodiji paji asi te punjabi medium de aa
Brig. Devinder Singh had very high opinions of him. Brig had said that the Maj was in the right when he said his troops deinducted from Siachen were unfit for attack on Point 5203. Sad that this officer landed in this place. GOC 3 Div is at fault here.
Self praise.
@@Dadasahab1234 by whom...???
@@Dadasahab1234you know nothing of kargil war, just saying your assumption.
@@Max-de4npI was 40 + at that time,.You might have been in Junior high school. Or primary school.
just curious do age make you correct?
I am 70 years old so do it make my statement true?
It was failure of generalship.....our general failed us.........plz bring brig surinder singh ....on board..
He is only trying to defend himself.
@@Dadasahab1234 , no
1000% correct
As in 62 debackle, it seems, generals refuse to learn any lesson. Sacking, courtmartialing, of junior level officers were main task. AA 63 is draconian, it should be removed from rule book. It states"an act prejudicial to good command and lawful order" Can be applied any where such as unpolished belt, boots or any thing, is a joke in independent country.
Very sad state of command on general's part indeed.
Sir,
Very surprising discussion with Maj. Bhatnagar. He should approach not only to the Supreme Court but also to the PMO, this country needs to know the truth.
Secondly, he should also explain his side of story to all print and electronic media so that all countryman pressures the government to conduct high level impartial enquiry again.
Kanwar Sir...I have only one question...what did we do to fix this major major intelligence failure where the MI, IB, RAW and local police intelligence ALL agencies failed..SIr..
There was no failure of Int, AHQ refused to read & analyse the radio intercepts sent to them from various sources. This is an excuse General officers have been making for the past 25 years & absolving themselves of the responsibility.
Sir G S REEN
14 SIKH
Ham Sath the
Excellent interview !
Hats Off to this Revealing Interview & many Respects to the Brave Heart Major who was Wronged and Robbed of hsi career by a few Gaddars amongst us...
A nice discussion Maj after all the facts should come out
Great journalism. Thanks.
Malik is a smart cookie.
सादर नमन। जय हिन्द
Thanks Sir...still see your operation blue star podcasts..hope here also you uneartg the truth on Kargil
Sir,
1) why Anti-Aircraft guns like L 70 & Zu 23 were not used during kargil ?
2) How can indian army Or BSF or indian defence forces withdraw from entire kargil - leh Ladakh during winter almost 270 -350 km & enemy Pakistan capured almost 170 km ?
3) Despite Siachen 1984.
Don't you think greatest blunder from Indian defence forces to withdraw troops during winter ?
If our jawans can perform their duty in Siachen in 1999 why can they perform their duty in kargil in winter 1999 ?
Indian Army arise. Country comes first not army chief chamchas.
Kindly interview Sh Y S Rathore, then DC from BSF, for digging out the buried truth
Many young soldiers were martyred, and many just came from passing out parade. No experience of battle. Confusion between infiltrators & Pakistan northern light infantry.
I think Gen. Bhatnagar certainly has a point which Army Leadership and Govt. should take a note.
Not sure why our mainstream media overlooking other side of kargil story.
They never look the other side, incompetence in indian army is always under hiding , excellent people doesn't climb up the ladder
An exceptional account
Generals were at that time ditto in mood like that of britishers time officers. Who sat in delhi abd gave orders
A similar situation is there in Naval History regarding the sinking of INS Khukri the sister ship INS Kirpan which was aling side ran away, though it claimed that it did anti submarine rourine which is not orn out by details of the engine room records of INS Kirpan.
I learnt this by chance through a survivor of INS Khukri....whk was fighting a lone battle to make public the records of the investigation committee.
Always teuth shall shine through
Very true !
Wow Major bhatnagar you are fabulous and amazing..it is the fault of major general bahardwaj after getting information from many other militry persnols including you of intrusion did not do anything and putting all the stuff of his lazyness and a bullshit person like him on low rank persons like major divender and manoj panday and court marshalled you Mr. Bhatnagar.
I am from Pakistan But I always respect a truthfull person. You have nothing to regret you have done it what has to be done in that time.
Best wishes to you😊
Comments coming from enemy country, to show mistrust among army officers.
@@Dadasahab1234hahahaha.....
The Corps Commander & Generals who ordered troops to be sacrified to protect theirnown egos should be questioned
I actually feel, we do not study the mistakes we made in previous wars and carry out corrections like other countries. We make same mistakes over and over again. I think its an Indian thing. We forget our mistakes too quickly and make them over and over again.
Because writing proper factual history is not our thing 😂 not for last 1200 years
Full support to Mr Bhatnagar. Sorry, I could not notice his rank but was noticing his narration. Before this I heard the narration of Mr. Devendra, again sorry for not noticing his rank. Actually, I do not believe rank is more important than the ideas of tactical movement and brave actions taken by a soldier of whatever rank. Rather, I think at times the martyrdom of a brave soldier is stolen by an officer in his favour.
Now all the important information is in public domain, time has come to submit complaint for registration of CBI case against top brass i.e.For negligence, for abuse of official position to suppress the actual position, For misleading nation and public, For causing heavy loss of lives of more than 500 army officials and injuries to thousands of officials.This is not small crime.Responsible should be booked immediately. CBI FIR should be registered on the statement of Major Manish Bhatnagar or PIL should be filed by the victim families, veer naris, or Major Manish Bhatnagar move complaint to CBI, PMO and file writ in High Court of supreme court .General sahib is now retd.He should face the consequences for deliberate negligence, conspiracy. Life Member NCC Alumni Association, Advocate
Bhagat Singh portrait behind is so beautiful
Sir please what is the name of Maj Bhatnagar 's Book?
General in the discussion is also saying that pakistanis had actually established their bunker some months before when one of his officer was killed from the gun fire received from that bunker. This means that there was not any intelligence report till the pakistani army personel reached the upper heights and constructed the bunker.
Captain Saurabh Kalia's CO was Colonel Kukshal during Kargil war. He was a hopeless CO
Unfortunately generals are not competent but their proximity with top politicians and army top brass keep them immune of wrong doing.
Not sure how they sleep on blood soaked beds
Both are real hero of kargil war.
Pinpointed Q&A from Kanwar & Bhatnagar..🙏🏻
Just a correction, Lt Gen Kishan Pal was GOC 15 Corp and not 16 Corp as being mentioned
True that. Thanks for pointing out the erroneous expression.
Kashmir Issue becomes Hot and Boiling again and again
@34:53 - Lt. Gen YK Joshi retired as GoC in C, Northern Command, who was Lt.Col. at the time.
Book's name please, sir ?
Whether Intelligence or Surveillance failure, the fact is, that Indian army was caught unaware of the intrusions by Pakistan military, who had entrenched itself on the strategic and pivotal points, within the Indian territory. Somewhere, someone had overlooked, which lead to such a situation. The valor of our soldiers can't be forgotten that led Indian army to have regained the lost territory, but only after losing 527 soldiers. 🙏
The generals who played their whims and interests to be selective in Kargil war should be put to scrutiny of truth'
Officers with high reach were protected ?
Saurabh Kaliya and others balidan is in vain then 😭😭😭