Those two lines could be perfect for a snippet of dialogue between Tom Paris and Tuvok - although Tom probably _would_ have known enough about Vulcan history, at a guess...
Yeah, they didn't destroy it. The logical move is to pretend you destroyed it so no one will even think of looking for it, but to actually keep it stored away somewhere in case one day you come across an enemy that only the stone can destroy. (also, this makes for future story options and not even Vulcans can stand against the strength of Narrative.)
Someone asked me once to explain to him vulcans as simple as possible... I knew he was a starwars fan so told him : for the longest time vulcans were like sith always at war with each other to dominate the planet...until a man called surak came and began to teach his people how to control their emotions and embrace logic. So with time and following suraks teachings the vulcans became jedi.
This video made me think of an interesting video idea, or even series of videos. Things in Star Trek that were thought to be myth but turned out to be real.
So maybe the military need for resistance discipline to thwart this weapon could have been the beginnings of the Kohlinar then? Wouldn't that be interesting...
Regardless of Sci Fi etc, Roddenberry was able to personify so many of humanity’s natures into various species. A lesson of imbalances and extremes which humanity has yet to learn from.
So powerful was the Vulcan mental gestalt (for lack of better term) that when Spock was 50,000 years in past and probably 100's of light years away from Vulcan. His fathers people could strip away his life time of dedication to Suraks teachings and return him to a Vulcan savage. It makes me wonder how Surak was able to do it in first place (meaning maybe his mental strength had calming effect on others) and its probably the calming effect of the awakening that allowed Romulans to survive and also show more emotional control after leaving Vulcan.
oh my goodness it does look like Picard that gave me chills, like the depiction of him in Season 2 of Picard as the destroyer version of him with all the skulls in his collection the BORG butcher as he was known they could have forsaw that and felt that worlds presence and put it upon the Tablet like showing the 3 what ifs all in one place.
I always thought that it should have at least knocked Worf on his back, and then Picard/Riker again tells him to remain calm, at which point it fails to work again.
Yeah, that scene always was kind of a lost opportunity for me: the wave going over Worf like it was nothing - at least a push like a strong gust of wind would have been warranted here: not enough to knock him over, just as if someone had given him a little push...
I implore you to read The Bloodwing Voyages by Diane Duane. My feeling for many years has been that that anthology is wonderful, in part because it puts forth what I consider immensely interesting ideas about T’Khasi, the Sundering, and those we now call the Romulans. Okay, apparently Gene Roddenbery really did not like those novels. But just being Gene Roddenbery does not mean one would always be correct. There are few things I am more passinate about than to reread and think about this anthology, over and over. I identify with the characters and experience strong empathy. In fact, I very much wish that some of those characters were actually my friends.
And the Mercenary ship which the Enterprise captured *did not* have its revolutionary _anti-detection stealth coating_ reverse engineered by Starfleet - even though it wasn't technically cloaking so it wouldn't have been banned by the Treaty of Algernon. It made the ship immune to any long range scan and it could only be detected with visual sensors, and it didn't need to be powered as it was a passive coating, and wasn't nerfed when the ship was at high warp. Imagine the strategic possibilities, even just in patrolling within the Borders. Just keep a transponder on when wanting to be seen. But once again, it would have been very useful during the Dominion War …
*Shows defiant class* *Shows the steam runner class* *shows the sovereign class* “Are these not ment to fight the borg. Wouldn’t stealth tech be usefull against them” *Starts to show every nation that want to eradicate the federation*
I've always been fascinated by the concept of the Stone of Gol because it uses your enemies'anger against them; doubtless it was a long range weapon because a Mind Lord would be dangerous enough at close range and one to one. And likely its scope of effectiveness could be affected and enhanced by numbers - we have seen Vulcan telepaths form a gestalt mind to assist a single objective, like when Spock's Katra was refused with his Genesis Effect regenerated body. The Stone of Gol wouldn't be much good against the dispassionate Borg Collective but I'm sure it would be tactically effective against Species 8472, that is if they hadn't already gained experience of such weapons and developed a defence, being a telepathic species of surpassing ability.
I never actually watched the entirety of T.O.S - im assuming the face spock makes at 6:03 is in response to sensing some thought light years away; im assume that he's sensing V'ger or someother enormous entity(?)
Spock was also able to feel the destruction of a vulcan crewed vessel at the hands of the planet killer. I suppose it works similar to how Obi-Wan was able to sense the destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars.
It wasn’t the Planet Killer aka Doomsday Machine but the giant space ameba that killed the ship who’s crewe was made up entirely of Vulcans. The ship was the USS Intrepid (NCC-1631) and the episode was “The Immunity Syndrome".
It would have won the Dominion War, just give it to a powerful but disciplined Betazoid and obliterate all the Jem'Hadar (and Cardassians) in a Fleet using a small squad of Starfleet ships that are all crewed by Vulcans and 'ethically evolved' Humans ect. Or even just the Defiant under cloak - but better not have Sisko onboard, he would get zapped by it, as would Kira. If Vulcan had been overrun, they would have really regretted destroying the artifact.
"You were right, Tallera. The resonator cannot be stopped by phasers and shields... but it can be defeated by peace." -- Jean-Luc Picard
"I wish you Vulcans would stop being so logical all the time!"
"If you knew anything about our history, human, you would know that no, you don't."
Those two lines could be perfect for a snippet of dialogue between Tom Paris and Tuvok - although Tom probably _would_ have known enough about Vulcan history, at a guess...
Yeah, they didn't destroy it.
The logical move is to pretend you destroyed it so no one will even think of looking for it, but to actually keep it stored away somewhere in case one day you come across an enemy that only the stone can destroy.
(also, this makes for future story options and not even Vulcans can stand against the strength of Narrative.)
Someone asked me once to explain to him vulcans as simple as possible...
I knew he was a starwars fan so told him :
for the longest time vulcans were like sith always at war with each other to dominate the planet...until a man called surak came and began to teach his people how to control their emotions and embrace logic.
So with time and following suraks teachings the vulcans became jedi.
… that is a very good way to describe them.
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 thanks...
With that in mind I feel like you could draw a lot of parallels between the Vulcans in Enterprise and the Jedi in the prequels.
@@hillbillypowpow that were the vulcans and jedi i had in mind when i talked about it
The Jedi were far from logical.
This video made me think of an interesting video idea, or even series of videos. Things in Star Trek that were thought to be myth but turned out to be real.
So maybe the military need for resistance discipline to thwart this weapon could have been the beginnings of the Kohlinar then? Wouldn't that be interesting...
And then everyone agreed to never speak of it again.
Well the irony of it is both the Vulcans and Romulans became immune to it through different means making the most feared item useless.
Pretty sure that could be the tailing-line for literally every trek episode ever.
@@TacComControl Huh, so that's why they never brought up Jadzia in DS9 after Ezri showed up -- oh wait.
@@barrybend7189 I must've missed something. Why exactly are Romulans immune?
Regardless of Sci Fi etc, Roddenberry was able to personify so many of humanity’s natures into various species. A lesson of imbalances and extremes which humanity has yet to learn from.
This was a great TNG episode. I like how you brought up other avenues of though around why it was so feared - given its single person use. Cool video!
So powerful was the Vulcan mental gestalt (for lack of better term) that when Spock was 50,000 years in past and probably 100's of light years away from Vulcan. His fathers people could strip away his life time of dedication to Suraks teachings and return him to a Vulcan savage. It makes me wonder how Surak was able to do it in first place (meaning maybe his mental strength had calming effect on others) and its probably the calming effect of the awakening that allowed Romulans to survive and also show more emotional control after leaving Vulcan.
Is it just me, or does the God of Death depicted on the stone look a lot like PIcard? :-)
oh my goodness it does look like Picard that gave me chills, like the depiction of him in Season 2 of Picard as the destroyer version of him with all the skulls in his collection the BORG butcher as he was known they could have forsaw that and felt that worlds presence and put it upon the Tablet like showing the 3 what ifs all in one place.
I always thought that it should have at least knocked Worf on his back, and then Picard/Riker again tells him to remain calm, at which point it fails to work again.
Yeah, that scene always was kind of a lost opportunity for me: the wave going over Worf like it was nothing - at least a push like a strong gust of wind would have been warranted here: not enough to knock him over, just as if someone had given him a little push...
Thank you again Rick for the informitive video.
Really cool video you have here. I always thought the Stone was interesting, would like to see it come back someday...
I implore you to read The Bloodwing Voyages by Diane Duane. My feeling for many years has been that that anthology is wonderful, in part because it puts forth what I consider immensely interesting ideas about T’Khasi, the Sundering, and those we now call the Romulans. Okay, apparently Gene Roddenbery really did not like those novels. But just being Gene Roddenbery does not mean one would always be correct. There are few things I am more passinate about than to reread and think about this anthology, over and over. I identify with the characters and experience strong empathy. In fact, I very much wish that some of those characters were actually my friends.
And the Mercenary ship which the Enterprise captured *did not* have its revolutionary _anti-detection stealth coating_ reverse engineered by Starfleet - even though it wasn't technically cloaking so it wouldn't have been banned by the Treaty of Algernon.
It made the ship immune to any long range scan and it could only be detected with visual sensors, and it didn't need to be powered as it was a passive coating, and wasn't nerfed when the ship was at high warp.
Imagine the strategic possibilities, even just in patrolling within the Borders.
Just keep a transponder on when wanting to be seen.
But once again, it would have been very useful during the Dominion War …
Starfleet: *(In a high pitch whiny voice)* NOOOOOOOOO, We're Explorers, not soldiers, that would be underhand and unfair and mean and and...
*Shows defiant class*
*Shows the steam runner class*
*shows the sovereign class*
“Are these not ment to fight the borg. Wouldn’t stealth tech be usefull against them”
*Starts to show every nation that want to eradicate the federation*
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 Starfleet: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WE'RE NOT A MILITARY! WE'RE PEACEFUL! WE'RE NOT SOLDIERS!!!!
We are explorers and we want to survey your dilithium deposits. These heavily armed ships are not for war. 😊
You are the best keep up the good work
Great content as usuall!
Imagine how terrifying this weapon would be against the Dominion. Just zap the Great Link from light years away.
Imagine how screwed everyone would be if the Borg assimilated the weapon. The Galaxy would be theirs overnight.
Surak ensured that parts of the stone was sent with those who walk under the raptors wing ! How else were the fragments were spread out ?
My headcanon is that the Stone of Gol became the basis for SFDebris' Mind Bomb.
I've always been fascinated by the concept of the Stone of Gol because it uses your enemies'anger against them; doubtless it was a long range weapon because a Mind Lord would be dangerous enough at close range and one to one. And likely its scope of effectiveness could be affected and enhanced by numbers - we have seen Vulcan telepaths form a gestalt mind to assist a single objective, like when Spock's Katra was refused with his Genesis Effect regenerated body.
The Stone of Gol wouldn't be much good against the dispassionate Borg Collective but I'm sure it would be tactically effective against Species 8472, that is if they hadn't already gained experience of such weapons and developed a defence, being a telepathic species of surpassing ability.
Very cool video!!
I remember that TNG episode. On my favorites.
I never actually watched the entirety of T.O.S - im assuming the face spock makes at 6:03 is in response to sensing some thought light years away; im assume that he's sensing V'ger or someother enormous entity(?)
Spock was also able to feel the destruction of a vulcan crewed vessel at the hands of the planet killer. I suppose it works similar to how Obi-Wan was able to sense the destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars.
It wasn’t the Planet Killer aka Doomsday Machine but the giant space ameba that killed the ship who’s crewe was made up entirely of Vulcans. The ship was the USS Intrepid (NCC-1631) and the episode was “The Immunity Syndrome".
@@tommywilliamson2103 you are correct.
Man that's one mean necktie.😂
👍Excellent explanation. Thanks... 👏
😮 good stuff
It was recently seen in the Star Trek Year Five comic book, though those writers didn't seem to understand how it was supposed to work.
It would have won the Dominion War, just give it to a powerful but disciplined Betazoid and obliterate all the Jem'Hadar (and Cardassians) in a Fleet using a small squad of Starfleet ships that are all crewed by Vulcans and 'ethically evolved' Humans ect.
Or even just the Defiant under cloak - but better not have Sisko onboard, he would get zapped by it, as would Kira.
If Vulcan had been overrun, they would have really regretted destroying the artifact.
A Vulcan's greatest weapon is his mind😅
Other people: "I want to reverse engineer it to make the perfect weapon"
Me: "I want to reengineer it to amplify lust so I can create an Orgasmo-ray."
Imagine the user is going through Pon Far …
...It would be a great way to end conflicts.
I mean, how hostile can one be after having a mind-blowing orgasm?
I'd be an army-wide post-nut clarity.
The Stone of Gol vs. the aggressive era of Species 8472. (Although once 8472 made peace, I suppose the Stone would be pointless against them?)
What other legendary weapons did the Vulcans make?
catapults full of boiling hot plomek soup
its basically star treks death note.
What if Ambassador Surok had one when he crossed the plains.
And that could be why the Romulus nuked his side of the planet.
Peace!
\o/
I asume the stone could also penetrate shields (and other forms of Cover)
Yes imagine the Letheans getting it, they are deadly enough already.
Or the Vorta, they do have mind powers even if the plot decided against them using it again.
@@rvaughan74 Oh yes that would be very very bad.
Trust the Vulcan high command?? Are you insane!!!!
But a peaceful Klingon can survive being targeted by the Stone of Gol...
Yeah, all 3 of them :)
Seems like it would have also been something that would have, potentially, been useful against the Borg...
Yeah but they aren't emotionally aggressive the way we are, except the Queen I guess
Think good thoughts
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5:00 What does it say that a Klingon was able to control his emotions enough to survive this weapon??
So it's Star Trek's version of the light grenade from "Mom and Dad Save the World."
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Misuse could result in an ‘own~Gol’
Urgh, stop.
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Look at what the Vulcans have to do mimic a fraction of our power.
It was really Vulcan powerful.