I Tried Victorian Photography with a TOY Camera! (Wet Plate Photography with a Holga 120N)
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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Ever since I studied Julia Margaret Cameron in college, I have had an interest in Tin Type (or wet plate or collodion - pick your word here) photography. It's emotive, complicated, weird, and just really cool. So, I made it one of my goals this year to learn how to do it, and I figured that teaching myself vs (the albeit arguably smarter move) of taking a workshop would make for a fun video! While there is still a lot of learning ahead of me, the results were pretty awesome, if I do say so myself...especially since the camera is a plastic toy. lol
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Complete Wet Plate Collodion Kit from Bostick and Sullivan: www.bostick-sullivan.com/prod...
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The Blog that gave me the idea: shootitwithfilm.com/beginners...
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I love that Morgan is the chaos goblin in Abby's head
Me, too. And I also love the cartoon rendering of ChaosGoblin!Morgan that Abby did.
I'm fairly certain that Bernadette is the chaos goblin in Morgan's head
@@MAashChick its like those russian dolls and each one of them is the other's chaos goblin
@@melowlw8638 I think Rachel Maksey is in Bernadette's brain
I simply love that I know who all these women are!!!!😂
Clearly you once you've really got wet-plate photography down, you'll need to do a series of photos of all your costuming buddies all dressed up for their old-timey portrait.
Morgan may not have got her explosions, but dang Abby! This was so freaking fun and cool to watch!
Poor Morgan! I agree this is fun!
hopefully morgan will forgive me...one day. 😭
Agreed! It was different but fun.
@@AbbyCox 8:50 who punched you in the eye?
@@AbbyCox Or she will do it herself
I have a great deal more respect for those Victorian photographers who traveled around with explosive chemicals in horse-drawn wagons on bumpy roads to immortalize people in the past. Wow! I honestly thought tintypes were a lost art. Look forward to what else you create, Abby.
Weeeelll, I had one done of myself at a show by a travelling tin-type photographer. I kid you not. (A steampunk event in the UK,)
Abby: "I should put my safety goggles on."
Also Abby: proceeds to not put safety goggles on...😬
Extra funny since as soon as she started playing with chemicals my thought was "where are your safety glasses?"
😅😅😅 terrified of it splashing!
Molly Burke has a video where a woman became blind eventhough she wore protective glasses (Marta)
I love that Morgan's been embracing her inner chaos gremlin in the last few years
I can't prove it but I feel like Rachel going full time gave everyone permission to go chaos gremlin... Even just a little bit. And it has been a joy in every level, including this video.
I am disappointed in the lack of explosions.
Damn it. Maybe next time.
It did seem like a wasted opportunity. I mean who says no to something like that?
The lab teacher in me winces whenever I see anyone playing with chemicals without starting with proper PPE or at least the appropriate MSDS around. Please be careful!
However... Those came out really cool! 😊👏
I was the same.... where's the safety specs! (And I like my nitrile gloves tighter than that).
I'm concerned about the ventilation in her basement...
Same! Abby, I hope you do more with this medium, it's super cool, but please double check your ventilation and PPE so you can continue making videos for a loooooong time to come.
At least one of my friends had a darkroom in the basement, it was his dad's. We all survived.
@@lenabreijer1311 Wet plate uses some pretty intense chemicals, people really have blown their houses up. On the plus side, the ether really makes your head spin 😵💫
I did a bit of darkroom developing in school and in college and something about the red light and the smell and the almost velvety closeness makes the process feel so tactile and provokes a more intimate connection between you and your work. Plus it's cool as fuck.
Same. The hardest part was getting the film out of the cassette and onto the roll thingy (hey this was a LOT of years ago!) in complete darkness. Once we did that, the rest was cake.
Same. I think wet plate photography might actually be an easier process. You skip the step of fumbling around in complete darkness to get the film out of the camera. I should find my Holga.
Same!!! I resisted digital photography for too long because I mourned for the film development process!! I miss that smell and that process
Back in the 70s my ex and I had a darkroom and played around with all sorts of techniques. It was such fun turning a mediocre shot into something interesting and artistic.
I'm at best a mediocre photographer but I loved the process of developing photos. I felt like both a mad scientist and a magician.
“I don’t need those nose hairs. It’s fine.” - That one pissed off yet pragmatic chemistry lab assistant.
Morgan wasn't even in the video and she added to it. I love this.
As a genealogist and a retired photo-journalist, Abby, I applaud you for jumping into something daunting as that. For a first try at it, you did good. I have a tin type of my cousin's wedding in 1874. You're right though, today's digital phone cameras take great photos, but I think film cameras are still a viable art from! Keep learning new things and you will never be bored. Thanks for keeping us entertained.❤
I have a friend that made a documentary called "of walking on thin ice; camino to the cop 26". It is documenting a 500 mile hike that went on for the cop26 confrerence in glasgow, so he did it completely on hand crank! He also didn't buy any new film for it, so it has 3 different types of film for diggerent stages of the trip.
If I remember correctly you’ve mentioned having ADHD, and as someone who also has it, I found it really touching hearing you talk about your reasons for wanting to figure out the process on your own and the joy and pride you feel in having accomplished your goal, so I maybe have a sense of what a big deal it is for you. Big cheers for you!!
Morgan is really into explosives? She really has the particular predisposition for pyrotechnics. Good for her, not your house. Or garden. And also dogs. And maybe neighbours. #MorganaLaFire
... that timer sound is from Disney's animated Robin Hood. I think.
It is, and I came here to say I absolutely love this fact.
Thanks! I couldn’t place it and it was driving me nuts.
Very cool! One tip from someone that spend hours in the darkroom with my photographer mother - tip the developer and the fixer back and forth over the image - so rock the tray a little bit and when you move from the developer to the fixer, make sure you aren't touching the image, just the sides and slide the image into the both. You also need a tray of water to put the tin in to rinse rather than using the sink. I think your pics turned out amazing for the first time doing this!
YES TO MORE WETPLATE ADVENTURES (please) 🙌! I'm an amateur film photographer with a soft spot for *really* old film cameras + I've always been fascinated by *really* oldschool techniques (daguerreotype, tintype, etc). But giving it a try somehow always seemed a bit daunting - especially since i don't own a large format camera and never thought that DIY wetplates could be used in medium format cameras. So seeing you tackle this project was super exciting for me and I can't wait to see more content like this in the future! :)
Edit: Random idea - have you considered upgrading to a more modern large format camera for your future wetplate experiments? Like an 4x5 Graflex or something similar? They were widely used by press photographers up until the 1960s, I believe, so they're fairly affordable and easy to come by! That way you could get those huge negatives/positives (and the experience of lugging around a massive camera) without having to splurge on a victorian camera straight away. Idk if this would actually work (although i don't see why it wouldn't) so you'd have to do some research, but I figured I'd suggest it anyway.
Can you explain why it's not a negative? I was expecting it to be in negative and then transferred to something else to make it positive
@@rosiehoy4736 Why the tintype is not a negative? It is, but when you back a negative with black it becomes a positive. That is why it is shot on the black metal.
@@rosiehoy4736 You're not wrong! Technically, what is being created IS a negative, however, it looks like a positive due to being "printed" on a dark background (ie a sheet of metal that has been painted black). Here's a short excerpt from the Tintype Wikipedia Page that explains it pretty well:
"[...] a very underexposed image was produced in the emulsion. Its densest areas, corresponding to the lightest parts of the subject, appeared gray by reflected light. The areas with the least amount of silver, corresponding to the darkest areas of the subject, were essentially transparent and appeared black when seen against the dark background provided by the lacquer*. The image as a whole therefore appeared to be a dull-toned positive."
*The lacquer they're referring to is the black coating of the sheet of metal which acts as a canvas for the photograph (--> about 6 minutes into the video you can see what i mean).
So basically, yes, what is being created is not a "true" positive. however, since it looks like a positive and (unlike a "true" negative) can't be used to make prints people often refer to the images you get from tintype photography as positives.
Hope this explanation makes sense - English isn't my first language 😅
Morgan holding dynamite while telling us to subscribe is so Morgan
This really makes me miss all the hours I spent in the darkroom while taking a black-and-white film photography class in college. It was so meditative and ritualistic, the timing of the exposure, and the developer, and the rinse, and the drying. The different effects you could get by physically manipulating objects in the dark room, burning and dodging and changing the focus and dual exposure. I loved it so much, and I wish I had space to dedicate to doing it now.
That was really cool to watch, now you need someone to come over and let you get all dress up (historical clothes) and take a pic of you and your hubby as a keepsake. That would be really cool.
That was really fun to see! Although, I was nervous for your safety when you were handling the chemicals without a mask or goggles ... Also, if you want to continue with Victorian wet plate photography, you might be interested in a collab with another costumer on UA-cam who is also a trained photographer, and I believe also has experience in wet plate photography. Her name is Victoria and her channel is called Vtor Hunter. I think a costumed collodion photography session with her would make for a good video for both your channel and hers!
You need to find out where Bernadette got her green sciencey safety glassess....
I have no idea if you follow Ask A Mortician here on UA-cam, but she's done a few Victorian photography videos that were really cool. I love Victorian photography, I'm just not the right kind of patient to actually do it myself if that makes sense. And I accidentally made paint with my chemistry set once as a kid so I don't have a great track record when it comes to playing with volatile chemicals :D
I LOOOOOOOVVVVVEEEEE ask a mortician!
If you are ever travelling, Abby or anyone else for that matter, I do know in North Dakota, think he is based out of Bismarck, a professional Wet Plate Photographer. There are still practitioners of this art form out there. Perhaps interviews could be set up, a ride along to a shoot to watch the process from a professional side. Also look into your own areas, if there is one where near I live, perhaps there is one near you too.
I used to do SLR photography- roll my own 35mm film, develop it, turn it into photos, that whole she-bang. The plates shown, most look over exposed, too dark- your F-stop aperature was too open for too long letting in too much light, or it was in developer too long or a combination of the both. The first one of the fence looked under exposed, from what it appeared to show on the vid, and needed more time in developer, or more time exposing, or a combination of the two. Wet plate is a whole different beast when doing this mode, so on the fly, one and done shots. With SLR B+W, you could at least do exposure ranges and get the times for each dialed down to perfection. I miss a lot about physical photography in the digital era that we live. Much love and respect, Great Job by the way, its a very good start, you can only improve from here.
You heard me yell gloves…but not SAFETY GLASSES!!!!
My father was a photographer and we spent many hours in the darkroom developing modern film, but dad had also done some older styles when he was much younger. I don't miss going to the photography processing shop or the drug store to pick up prints anymore.
I didn't realise other people's homes didn't have a darkroom until I was 20 and flat hunting with a friend. I kept knocking back flats that didn't have a ventilated, but windowless space I could use as a darkroom.
@@jirup I agree with than. Most restrooms in homes these days are dark spaces, but have little counter space. We have lost so much appreciation of the art of making prints since we went digital. I still love the feel of a roll of film going thru a camera and the magic that happens in the darkroom.
The giddiness of watching a picture appear on something that was blank only seconds before? I love that shit, that's why I got a photography degree.
You explaining near the end why you love this medium made me get all verklempt 🥺 Yes yes yes to all of that!
Also, listen, I appreciate all the effort you put in to your videos and the commitment to quality and...tbh your stick figure illustrations of Morgan are my favorite part 😂
I usually come to you to learn about *your* niche speciality profession so watching you learn mine is my favorite thing that’s happened in so long
I went to school for photography... before computers and before digital, and I can just smell the fixer and the chemistry. I miss this part of photography so much! One of the most wonderful things I remember of watching a photo develop, even thought it was from negatives. I love black and white more than color, but oh, this brings back so many memories. I only do digital now, but boy, I cannot tell you how much I love this medium. And yes, I sew! So, this is also in line with my creativity. Just dont ask me to add.
Abby, try shooting vegetables. Bell peppers especially, like Edward Weston did! 😉
I appreciate and understand your joy over this!! I think most of us here know the delight that comes from sewing or other making, but I never thought about how photography could be so hands on with this method. It's like, the joy of making meets magic of capturing time with light. So cool 😄🎉
I'm a photographer with a passion for old cameras, and I must say that I'm impressed that you decided to try this out yourself! I totally agree with you regarding that the slowness of the process makes the photographs more interesting and meaningful somehow. Like every exposure becomes more valuable for the time you spent making it. I look forward to seeing you learning more and getting a Victorian camera!
All the best from Sweden 😊
What amazes me is that you did it all by yourself and I can't figure out my 1930s camera for 10 years and she's hidden from the sun. Those photos are so cool.
This was so fun to watch you discover. Chemistry + art. So long as nothing explodes, it looks like you will get years of joy from your photography journey.
"No. No explosions, Morgan." 😂
It is sad, but maybe Morgan will take the frustration and make her own explosions. SCA period explosives for the house(shed?)-warming party when they finish the new room? Why not?!
I remember as a kid, my dad used our kitchen sink and counter to develop his own film. (35mm). That was back in the 60's, lol. I remember going thru my great grandmothers pictures and finding tin type photos. I wish I had those today.
Yeah, girl, go for it! My late husband taught photography in the bad old days of the Dark Room, and it was really fun to see the images magically appear - so get the Bad-ass Big camera - it'd be fascinating to learn about photography as the Victorians understood it.
Your closing statements made me tear up in such a good way. My creative side wants to be perfect, while reveling in imperfection. So to hear what it is desperately trying to yell being said out loud just floods me with happiness.
I LOVED doing photography class and getting to develop my own film. Analog photography is such a joy because each photo requires you to really commit and think
Morgan seems like a fun person. 😂 This was so neat!
do you follow her channel? Morgan Donner. Yes, she's fun!!
youtube.com/@MorganDonner
Morgan is hilarious and lovely ❤
Abby, You are a daughter after my heart. As a reenacter/living historian since 1988, an old lady of 65 and a retired history teacher; I adore your videos. You and Nicole have reignited my historical sewing flame. I have been quilting for the last few years for charities and just purchasing ready made dresses for events. I am so excited every time I see a new video. I have watched some more than once as I also collect 1800's clothing, shoes, and bonnets/hats. Living in England for three years helped with that collection. But I digress. You are an incredibly smart, vivacious orator and I love your videos. Keep yourself centered and know that you are admired by a crusty old historybum in Texas. With much admiration, Grace Henderson
This makes me really really miss working in the darkroom in university! I was a photography major and my first photography class I took, we made pinhole cameras and I still have the first image I ever made with it. It was just a tree against the sky, would have been a boring photo taken on a phone, but the fact that I made a camera out of a cardboard box to take it just made it so cool. And I felt exactly the same watching it develop, it was so magic.
This brought me back to my film photography days in college! I loved shooting b&w for many of the same reasons you enjoyed the tin type process. If you continue, I would recommend a manual stopwatch to use when developing to help prevent accidental light exposure from your phone, in case you ever forget to turn down the screen brightness or whatnot.
[Re: overexposure: Holga are notoriously full of light leaks, it's part of the ~fun, you can try using tape to cover the corners and opening, I don't know now but holga kits used to come with tape!]
That's so cool! You're my hero Abby!
I love photography and the history of all the first different attempts to capture light on matter has always been so fascinating to me! Watching someone recreate old methods never loses its charm. ❤
But! I'm a bit sad for Morgan now 🥹 not even a teeny tiny calculated explosion
Idk if you’ve come across this but MBKHD has done a lovely series called Retro Tech and one of the episodes was on Polaroids. Thoroughly fascinating.
P.S. They had a section on wet plate photography with an accordion camera.
Can't find them on UA-cam?? Do you have a link
@@leopriest133 ua-cam.com/video/6oHrNuXPVck/v-deo.html
I love how you got to share in the excitement of the first photographers, almost 200 years ago. If you want to see some exceptional early portrait photography by a woman, look up the photos by Julia Margaret Cameron. They are so inspiring, and her equipment was probably equivalent, if not as convenient, as yours. Enjoy this always
This is so beyond interesting. I love physical photos and this is such a cool process to learn about. Its such a cool way to experience how people in the past would have had portraits taken.
This was so fun! I did photography in high school and I loved going in the dark room to process my film. Although it was much more modern film since it was the early 2000s.
As someone who learned all types of darkroom photography in high school, I was really lucky they offered this when I went there, you did insanely well. Im glad you're proud of yourself cause you definitely should be
I learned jow to develop and print black and white photos in college. Turns out I was allergic to the chemicals, but I still really loved the process of it all.
Having done lots of photography classes with chemicals and darkrooms throughout high school and college, this made me feel so nostalgic! I’m so glad this turned out for you, and excited to see what you do in the future with it.
Nice video but PLEASE DO THIS IN A VENTILATED ROOM!!! I don't know exactly what chemicals you used, but you should absolutely read the safety sheet. Those compounds could be toxic and/or carcinogenic, and you absolutely DO NOT want to breathe those in. At the very least do this in front of an open window...
Wow, this actually makes me want to get a photograph like that. Even as a kid, I remember those red rooms where photographs would be developed. I remember vaguely being snown around one when I was out with my dad. Just like the past, a photograph like that would be completely unique, and there'd be not many chances to get one, so I would treasure it.
Loved your excitement, enthusiasm, and nostalgia in this. Taking a step back and slowing down - tin type, vinyl records, sewing, slow crafting. It's just so wholesome and tooted in reality and the appreciation of the moment. It's wonderful.
All the chemical measuring (graduated cylinder!) and mixing and painting, and then the snipping the tin and all that makes the film developing process even more magical than it was back in the day when I did black and white photography in school. I am seriously jealous. This may be my favorite project yet! (although Morgan's tin lantern was also cool- maybe I just have a thing for tin and almost-explosion?)
I just love the crying clip art dogs behind stick figure Morgan. They gave me LIIIIIIIIIFE!
I love (and laughed) at Morgan's cameo. Abby, thanks for sharing not only your passions but your humor as well.
I'm at the segment where you're figuring out where to take the picture and our ancestors would be SO fascinated with how we can take pictures and see them SO fast, anywhere we want. This process is likely faster for a seasoned photographer with seasoned assistant... But still, there's that short 20 minute timeframe so it's not like they did 15 poses in a blooming garden. They took the photos anywhere they had a studio.
(1) This was so fun and I feel so proud of Abby for figuring this out! and (2) I’m a biochemist and I got huge throwback vibes to when I used to visualize Western blots with film, just chilling in the darkroom (albeit, there was a machine involved that did the developing steps for us). I remember seeing my first exposure and having the same response as Abby did to her first photo - it feels like a miracle when it works!
I took a darkroom photography class over the pandemic and I loved it but because it was the pandemic we never actually got to learn how to develop the photos ourselves. This gives me hope that one day I'll be able to teach it to myself
It is so magical to see the pictures develop! This brings back sweet memories of my dad's darkroom. The family was his constant subjects, my brother and I joining him in the darkroom and watching him print, learning how to compose a shot, wind film on a reel, etc. A childhood filled with black and white memories, so much better than my phone full of digital snapshots. Can't wait to see what you'll be creating, your enthusiasm is contagious!
1. plz get some proper PPE/air filtration going on! 2. I can't believe your alarm tone is from Robin Hood!!!!! so much love! 3. this is SOOOOOOO cool! my mom took a B&W photography course when I was a kid so she got to play in the darkroom but by the time I got to college, the photography courses were all art majors only & moving into digital so I'm totally jealous! I can't wait to see what you do with historic photography in the future... and how you make your setup safer for you! I grew up doing film photography and I totally miss it. But I'm not sure I have the patience you do for individual image developing!
Serious comment right after joke comment - that part when you said about learning to live with imperfections and finding beauty in them... That really hit hard, in the best way
Those images came out so beautifully, I'm so excited to see you explore this new medium because you seem to have such a wonderful passion for it
Seeing modern settings/people in old style photos, really helps bring life to actual old photos when you look at them. It makes it easier to imagine the setting at the time.
I _adored_ this video, and would be so, so happy to see more antique photography-related videos! It's something I've always wanted to learn about but has never seemed super accessible, and it's so cool to see someone learning!
I was pretty much the last generation that learned film/analog photography as a standard in art school....and I remember that excitement of...MAKING THAT PHOTO SHOW UP ON THE PAPER. I heard that excitement...and it made me remember. It forces you to be conscious of your composition in the camera, and the amazing feeling of doing it...well....that was the reason I held on to film until 2008. Keep doing it! It's a great medium
I grew up with a dedicated darkroom for both colour and b/w photography. Under my father's supervision, I made tintypes with a pinhole camera. It was always tricky to get a long enough exposure before the plate dried out. Definitely an activity for a bright winter's day. If you are going to continue with this hobby I have 3 suggestions, ensure you have really good ventilation, it's more than just nose hairs you can damage. Two, rock your developer tray, keep the developer moving over the plate. The developer is exhausting as it comes into contact with the plate, so keep it moving. Lastly, get a mechanical or digital timer that does not produce light, you'll have less fogging if there are no sources of white light.
Enjoy, it is a wonderful hobby.
This was so different and exciting to see! I'm looking forward to more about this process!
Just gotta say, I'm not even 5 minutes in, & I'm SO happy! I took photography throughout high school, one of the extremely few kids our teacher trusted with mixing chemicals, so seeing this little bit into developing brings back all the memories and feels. You're awesome! ❤🎉
& a tiny explosion would be awesome. There's a tiny Morgan in my soul too 😂
I can’t wait for more!!
Beautifully done! I get so excited when people create art with older methods. It might not be perfect, but, as you mentioned, there’s no story behind perfection. Sewing also taught me how to live with imperfection. It’s amazing what you can get done when you don’t obsess over the minor mistakes.
My love for film photography has been re-ignited recently and I’m always happy to see Film Photography Discourse.
My brother and maternal grandfather were both photographers. My grandfather had a full darkroom setup in his basement because he took all the family photos and developed them. He even had a special bulb thing to squeeze to remotely pressed the shutter button so he could be in the pictures. So he'd get everyone in position, then take the bulb thing and go into his spot, and then take the picture. Of course to get a second picture he had to go back to the camera and wind the film to the next frame and repeat the process. His hobby made sure where were family pictures for future generations.
The feeling of seeing analog photos show up in the developer is magic. Oh man this makes me want to get into film again! I love the process of printing the photo, but am not sure where I could do it right now. I think I'm gonna look into it though! I'm glad you had so much fun, and thank you for the reminder of it!!
Was so excited along with you when the first one came out! Way to go!
Love this new content!! Can’t wait for more!
As a person who majored in fine art & photography, I loved this! What a great job you did!
Love this Abby! Thank you for sharing your journey! These old photography techniques are so interesting, the connection to the end result is so much more profound than nowadays! Looking forward to seeing what else you’ll do in this realm!
This is so cool!! looking forward to your future wet plate photography plans!
That was much fun to watch, and reminded me of my once and future obsession with B&W photography and processing, and the desire to go play with a Holga, again. Thank you for bringing that back to the front of my mind!
I cannot wait to see were this project goes!
I'm so proud of you! Those came out awesome!❤🎉
This was so awesome!!! I can't wait to see more about your wet plate photography!
This was so cool to watch! You did so well, and the pictures look so good.
I would absolutely love to see you doing more like this! I loved the process and your commentary is really beautiful
Watching this was so much fun!
Ohh it made me so happy to see how excited and proud you were that you did it!!
Absolutely loved seeing this!
this is awesome! I've always been interested in the old photography! can't wait to see your other videos
It was exciting to watch you go through the process and you deserve to be proud.
I am HERE for the experimental content! 🤩
Do the thing!!! Very excited to watch where you go with wet plate.
Way to go, Abby! What a fun new medium to play with, and your joy in your learning and success is just infectious!
I can’t wait to see more vintage photography content, I really enjoyed this. Thank you Abby
It’s cool to see you find something you really enjoy,I’m here for the journey 👍🏼
This was so cool! Yes more please!
Abby! This was just absolutely beautiful! I loved watching your process! I can not wait to see what future projects you have in store for us! Love ya🥰
Ugh, I always love your unique artistic express and explanations of others. This brings be back to when I did film photography in college. You described that moment so well, when the photo slowly starts to be come visible in the development solution; pure, raw, magic.
This looks so cool!!! I love watching your videos!!!