The Zohar isn't even in the Talmud, and neither is "Yalkut 245c" and that's not even a valid citation to anything. Metzitah b'peh is not common practice pretty much anywhere, also.
I came into this video not knowing what a seed oil is. I left this video still not knowing what a seed oil is but confident that I don't need to concern myself with the information.
Oil's oil. Cooking oils shouldn't have strong flavor, and once you heat oil it's less nutrient rich anyway. Just use less oil if you can, the smallest amount in your pan as possible is a great way to go. Any topping of oil should be olive oil, since it tastes better, and is relatively healthy when uncooked. Once you heat the oil its no longer "extra virgin" so using it as cooking oil doesn't really add too much nutrients to your dish (obviously it's still got healthier fats but a lot of those nutrients are now damaged and you'll get less)
The main thing you should worry about with cooking oils is smoke point in relation to the level of heat you wish to apply for extremely practical reasons.
oil that is extracted from seeds which reaches high temperatures in that process and as a result, oxidizes. oxidation can then create free radicals which promote inflammation which is the cause of a number of different ailments. it's no secret that heart and cardiovascular disease saw massive increases in occurrence with the advent of crisco. it should not be a stretch to believe that the food companies selling you this garbage don't have your best interests in mind.
@@goodbher9244man I have learned that cooking olive oil as a primary cooking oil makes my food taste worse than when I use the oil as a topping. I am more of a canola oil gal as the flavor tastes more neutral to me. And you’re right, less is more.
He's basically talking about the wave of health nut influencers spreading misinformation and shaming people for using seed oils, typically these influencers also promote diets like carnivore, keto, paleo, raw ect. But they drink raw milk or a whole stick of butter followed by 10+ supplements
@@Brent-jj6qi Yea it goes hand in hand with the idea of reverting "to the old days" a delusion these people have where men act like caveman and don't shower and down raw steaks while their wife is barefoot in the kitchen surrounded by their flock of children making raw granola "cookies" on their multi million dollar property
@@Brent-jj6qi that woman mentioning the bible in reference to which damn fats you use makes me extremely sketched out, cause the bible also references lots of heinous stuff, is that also stuff you agree with lady?
Comparing the store bought sugar cookies to the frozen dough and the allrecipes recipe was technically a revival of Easier Tastier Prettier. I'll take it.
@@McDonaldsCalifornia Kind of hard to avoid it when it's your job. He's also mentioned how he reads all the youtuber comments because of how important feedback is to him and he's talked about how his instructional design background has influenced his youtube videos. It is very hard for people whose job it is to be online all day to be disconnected from the public discourse.
I took a class called “ecogastronomy” in college and while a decent slice of it was a little too ignorant of the facts, it did preach one of the greatest lessons I ever learned: the most important thing that any person can have in their relationship with food is **control**. This spans every human scale, from your day to day meals, to the accessible selections at your town’s grocers, to a whole country’s domestic agriculture. I’m fond of your commitment to that.
The analysis paralysis point is so real. I got so in my head for a while about cookware, teflon and microplastics that I was instead buying takeout that is GUARANTEED to be cooked on some sort of nonstick surface, and packaged with BPA, but I was just relieved to not have to make that choice.
commercial kitchens don't typically cook on non-stick. it can't handle high heat or mechanical abuse (both of which are constant) and wears out quickly. most places use aluminum pans because they're very cheap, durable, and work pretty well. a higher end place might use stainless. and a grill surface (flat top or broiler) is probably carbon steel. sticking really isn't a problem with sufficient oil (which they are _definitely_ using plenty of) and a bit of heat control, and is sometimes even desirable to a degree. (the packaging is probably cheap crap though)
nah dude teflon is objectively toxic and can cause a laundry list of severe health issues if ingested or inhaled from an overheated pan. i only use stainless steal and cast iron. the only reason food sticks to a pan is if your pan isn't hot enough.
Good analysis as always, one minor complaint, some viewers might come away from the aside on cutting boards thinking wood boards harbor bacteria. UC Davis Food Safety Lab in the 1990s repeatedly and convincingly showed wood boards are more sanitary than plastic with meat residues and bacteria like salmonella. Wood is porous, but if washed with regular dish soap and towel dried, the pores don't harbor any residual live bacteria, they kill them by drawing them in where they dry out, stop multiplying, and gradually die. Worn (knife-marked) wood boards have an even greater cleanliness advantage over worn plastic ones, because the same washing action is much less effective at disinfecting a cut-up plastic board and the bacteria do multiply in the crevices, where a well-used wood board works basically the same as a new one. This research led USDA to reverse their vibes-based advice against using wood cutting boards at home, but unfortunately the "wood harbors bacteria" myth mostly persists with the public.
I agree with everything you said, but I think what Shaq was getting at is less that "wood boards are bad because XYZ" and more that no matter what choice you make, somebody is going to yell at you about it (even if they're wrong)
@@m.f.3347 yes, I think the framing there was kinda ambiguous but most viewers who don't know the research on wood board sanitation would come away from it thinking he'd endorsed the misconception they harbor bacteria more than plastic
How was the point ambiguous at all? Microplastics haven't been proven to cause problems yet and we don't have numbers on glass board injuries. All 3 can be fine technically. And why defend wood over the other 2 choices?
Or how Subway was founded by "Doctor's Associates Inc" because one founder wanted to go to med school eventually and the other had a doctorate in physics
Every time you see an internet comment or short form video where the person is pushing being a “doctor” in your face, they end up being a chiropractor. Such a scummy “discipline” built on pseudoscience and ghost stories, so I’m not surprised.
Dilf internet chef DESTROYS irrationally online people with FACTs & LOGIC Keep up the great work shaq, love how you arent afraid to be rational and nuanced in a world full of people screaming for attention
What facts and logic? He didn’t provide any scientific evidence to support the claim that seed oils are inherently unhealthy. Instead, he simply categorised them alongside unhealthy foods, which would still be unhealthy even if the oils were replaced with healthier alternatives.
11:38 "I accidently got invested with someone who [doesn't know even a basic fundamental] it might be time to log off" the universal internet experience of realizing that the person you're arguing with isn’t even reading the same book, let alone on the same page
Whenever you find yourself bufuddled in an internet argument, ask yourself "is this a teenager?". I'm not saying that everyone I disagree with is a teenager or that teenagers are dumb, it just helps to realize that you really could be talking to anyone and all that context is taken away by the anonymity of the internet. I naturally picture a stranger on the internet as being similar to myself just because I narrate their writing in my own mind and thus assign them my own persona, so of course I get confused when I don't agree with myself!
Man, you are good at what you do. That entire "personal opinions" section was incredibly well worded while also being very detailed and insightful. I appreciate the work you put into your videos!
Same. I love being social media offline, it revolutionized my life. I’m down to UA-cam for fun and silly videos, and chatting with my friends in personal servers on discord
It’s because in recent years there have been more and more studies investigating and questioning the cholesterol theory of atherosclerosis. We’ve had statins for 20+ years now and the average diet has shifted from saturated fats to polyunsaturated fats which was supposed to prevent heart disease but heart disease is only on the rise. It’s caused a lot of researchers and doctors cognitive dissonance in terms of what they were told would happen and what actually is happening in their practices/datasets. Everyone agrees that French fries are bad, but if you ask most people why they don’t really know. “Because it’s fried”. Okay, but potatoes are perfectly fine as long as you’re not diabetic. There’s something about the frying process itself that’s unhealthy. In my opinion, it’s the “seed oils”, which oxidize easily, especially in the presence of heat. There is an interesting new narrative review, just a couple years old, which explores a specific kind of “seed oil” called Lineolic Acid as a theoretical mechanism of causing heart disease.
they'll recommend raw everything until it's widespread enough that tons of people get sick, then we'll remind ourselves why fire and cooking is the greatest human invention
Seed oil hysteria has been driving me nuts. The other day my mom was getting upset that she couldn't find roasted cashews without a seed oil on the ingredients list, and I had to try and unwind all the misguided social media advice that got her in that spot. This was cathartic to watch, thanks.
@@InvadeNormandy If somebody has an informed, reasonable preference to avoid seed oils, then I don't care. If somebody avoids seed oils because they think that consuming them in any quantity will lead to serious health problems for no better reason than because they saw a tiktok of a shirtless dude in a grocery store saying that it would, then I'd rather help them get past that irrational fear. It's about the fear and stress being disproportionate to the actual issue at hand. I don't want people, especially family members, stressing out unnecessarily. And to be clear, I personally do not consume nearly any seed oils, nor do I recommend people go out of their way to include them in their diets. I cook 95% of my own meals from single ingredient foods and prefer to use extra virgin olive oil or avocado oil when I do so. It's one thing to say "don't use seed oils because there are better options out there", but another thing to say "don't use seed oils because they will cause X/Y/Z major health problem". I think people greatly over exaggerate the potential health effects they have, none of which to my knowledge have really been proven in human research.
@@InvadeNormandy Very true. Seed oils are almost everywhere. Most store-bought salad dressings contain them and can be tough to find ones without. I have to think there will be a growing market for non-seed-oil based foods.
@@InvadeNormandy We are supposed to look after family and feeding into an irrational fear that causes them to spend more money is the opposite of that.
@@btg49 informed reasonable preference- i dont want to eat highly processed oils when the natural alternative exists. this is the same reason i actively avoid pesticides, food colorings contrived from petroleum/lab chemicals, teflon pans, and plastic containers. I dont need a study to tell me that an oil that is bleached and washed with hexane is unhealthy. it obviously is to anyone with common sense. Avoiding those items listed can only be beneficial and including them can, at worst, be massively detrimental.
I AM ANGRY THAT YOU DID NOT TELL ME WHOM TO BE ANGRY AT!!!!! WHY ELSE WOULD I SPEND 17 MINUTES OF MY LIMITED EXISTANCE WATCHING A VIDEO ON SEED OILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, you give me reason to be hopeful for humanity. Thank you for 17 minutes of calm on the internet.
The central point and conclusion here are so strong. A good relationship with food can only come from actually dealing with food! Cooking, experimenting, getting a feeling for things. The intuition you gain goes such a long way even if it isn't completely systematic or scientific.what makes you feel good, what makes you feel bad?
Time and time again this guy proves how well adjusted he is, honestly. I watch a lot of cooking youtube, and it's easy for these types of reactionary arguments to become so normalized you start to think it's what everyone thinks (especially if you also watch workout content, like me). Once again Internet Shaquille releases a video and it makes me realize, heck, we're all just normal people at home. I'm just a home cook. Let's all be normal about it. That's literally it. Loved the jab at the "using kale in a carrot cake" because that's an actualy thing that happened and I can't get it out of my head. Someone actually left a review on recipe complaining it tasted bad and had the wrong texture/consistency - because they substituted carrot for kale. On a carrot cake recipe.
I'm a Nutrition scientist at the University of Tennessee. In general, I would say that you have to take nutrition research with a grain of salt (no pun intended) no matter what angle it's coming from. Actual nutrition research is insanely difficult to do and rarely happens. Not to mention there are a lot of, for a lack of a better term, mercenary researchers out there that will give you whatever finding you're looking for if you pay them. This is why the Vegan Vs. Carnivore (or any other nutritive debate) will never end. There are people on both sides throwing huge amounts into research to support their positions. This is also why you can seemingly never find a straight answer on these sorts of questions. I had originally written out an entire manifesto regarding Seed Oils and the available research on them, but I completely erased it. Rather, if people have questions I would be happy to answer them. I feel like that might be better than writing a wall of text that no one would read.
my take is that tl;dr, everyone is different, and needs different food balance. sure, there are generally good things to include, like fibre, vitamins, etc, but in the end, as long as you're healthy and happy, it doesn't matter what you eat.
you can find a straight answer on seedoils cause the amount of research we have on it is so one sided, its almost ridiculous to state theyre poison. When i first looked at the topic, 7 years ago, i thought most research would say its bad. but it was the opposite, they said its fine. Yes i know some mechanistic research claims that it can be bad cause some pathways are activated, but ignoring outcome focused research to highlight mechanistic research is epidome of not seeing forest for the trees
I would have read your wall of text! Would you be up for summarizing the main points? I’m not even totally sure which question I would ask if I were going to ask a question, so if you didn’t want to summarize the points, maybe you could pretend I asked a great question and answer that?
Amen. Nutrition is essentially impossible to have rules for. You need to eat the ideal balance of the three macronutrients for good health. But wait! Don't forget about the correct balance of micronutrients! Buuuuut wait! Don't forget to balance the math appropriate to your gender, age, and individual health needs. Keep waiting, because you also need to account for variance in individual body development, gut flora, metabolism, and in some cases time of day! Oh. And don't forget to go to your full time job and pay your bills.
I'm a pharmacist from Romania. Back in college, the department of Botany used to publish dozens of scientific papers on what chemical compounds different plants contained. That's good, sounds like what a department of pharmaceutical botany should be writing about. The kicker was, every article also included health claims such as "This plants contains anthocyanins. Anthocyanins have health benefits because they're in this plant. This plant is good for you because it's been used in traditional Anatolian medicine and it contains anthocyanins." You may notice some circular logic. The reason they did this was because a local nutritional supplements factory would sponsor the department. They would quote the university papers and say "look, our pills contain anthocyanins, they're good because studies show they're good for you!" In the end, no one really knew what the compounds did or how good the plants were for you. What did happen was the supplements factory got more credibility and sold more stuff. Yay.
Big fan of both y'all's channels! After learning so much about caizuyo from your channel and the prevalence of rapeseed oil across asian cooking and that there's a distinct overlap between white nationalist and "seed oil bad" discourse online, my conclusion was that this seed oil stuff is MSG 2.0 and rooted in anti-asian sentiment. I could be wrong but any time I see it I think "that's an easy way to malign all of Chinese food and more."
@@Agoldenexit It's definitely not. It's rooted in science. Most westerners don't know that asians use rapeseed oil AND almost all oils used by Americans are seed oils.
@@Agoldenexit trying to avoid unhealthy oils is suddenly white nationalism now? what the hell is wrong with this world. people are brainrotted by politics
Feel like maybe you've covered this one before, but I can't let the cutting board comment at 12:58 slide. Wood doesn't harbour bacteria, it's been shown that it draws down the bacteria and suffocates it, so most wooden boards are naturally antibacterial. I know this was probably just an example of a contentious internet cooking debate, but I don't want the misinformation to be there even in passing.
Love the weird kale hype from last decade. Here in The Netherlands it's called ''Farmers Cabbage'' and it was always seen as something rural/old people ate thus always had a bit of a ''grandma food'' stigma. Funny that it has remarketed as some trendy superfood over the pond
The 20-teens had a lot of "superfoods" that everyone swore were the solution to all ailments and would render us healthy and fit if we just ate more of them. Kale had its day, so did coconut, acai berries, goji berries, ginger, chia seeds, wheatgrass, turmeric. It was fun to see all the different ways people could make coffee/tea/salads really disgusting and then pretend they were good because, hey, "we're eating a superfood!"
The issue I have with kale is you very rarely see people eat it because of its taste. It's a form of self-punishment. There are tons of other tasty vegetables out there. (I don't actually mind kale too much but I wouldn't really actively seek it out personally)
I have eaten out at restaurants/fast food probably less than 15 times in the last 5 years. This is not out of any health consciousness or anything, just because I'm a cheapass and cooking at home is so much cheaper. I also very frequently don't eat red meat or any meat at all over the course of a week, not because I'm vegan or vegetarian, just because It's cheaper to buy a bunch of produce, cheese, eggs, etc. than it is to buy a steak every week. If you wish you had more disposable income, try being a home cook! It might make you healthier too as an added bonus. However, if eating out often is a value-add to your life, follow your bliss.
this is EXACTLY the reason i watch your videos so much and so thoroughly. you've vocalized every feeling i have about this down to "just cook at home so that YOU have ultimate control over your food". I've never been able to put it to words myself but this was such an incredible summary.
Cook from home, grow things if you have the time, and if you don't, try to buy from local people you trust when you can. If you can't do either, just try to eat seasonally when possible. Best thing you can do for yourself.
Ngl, it's a recent trend in America, the last 10-15 years, to malign seed oils bc ppl want to eat butter and sugar again. It's just seed oils' turn on the chopping block for now. My mom cooked with every fat available except for crisco. The food I ate growing up usually had animal fat and seed oil, usually canola oil, but sometimes olive or sesame oil. It /can/ be difficult for certain conditions to digest them (TMI soy oil goes riiiiight through me), but that's a 1. Reason to avoid them (my Dr said so).
It's a shame because I find myself eating far less chili oil even though I love it and any authentic/Taiwanese chinese food. Guess it just means I need to learn how to make some favorite dishes at home
Off topic but kinda on topic thoughts from a pharmaceutical chemist working in R&D in the petroleum industry. It's more similar than you think. First we have divide oils into two categories, saturated and unsaturated. Saturated fatty acids have straight carbon chains with no obvious place for other molecules to attack. Meaning higher resistance to oxidative degradation, think synthetic motor oil. This is also why tallow and ghee have high smoke points. The nice straight carbon chains stack nicely, hence solid at room temp. Unsaturated on the other hand have double bonds which introduces kinks and bends into the carbon chain. The increase of electron density at the double bonds facilitates cleavage of chain by either oxygen or water (hydrolysis). This makes them better for use in biodegradable lubricants but for the same reason more prone to oxidation and radical formation in high heat searing. If you were to send both types of fats for biological testing in bacterial inoculum and daphnia the immediate result is that the saturated fatty acids will bioaccumulate until the subjects die. Meanwhile the unsaturated fats are more easily degradable by both chemical (water) and enzymatic hydrolysis. You are not daphnia(!) but the enzymes in your body are the same. They hold the water molecule in a position so that it can more easily react with the carbon chain. Saturated=high heat, unsaturated= easier breakdown. Where my knowledge ends is US production of vegetable oils as I am based on northern Europe. I've seen first hand how responsible rapeseed oil is produced here and I genuinely do not know if US actually uses solvent extraction. I'm by no means an expert but I would be careful with trusting any "doctor" giving advice on nutrition. Look for dietitians, MD's and chemist doing research in the field of nutrition. Also, while on the topic. Natural does not automatically mean better. If anyone got this far, well done nerd. You take what you want from this, I'm just a chemist that likes all his fatty acids equally.
Before this video, I was unaware of whatever culture war is brewing around seed oils. I really appreciate you keeping this video in 2 parts, so I can decide for myself if I want to go past the cooking discussion. It feels good being disconnected from it.
The biggest reason for me is that the alternatives taste better. Butter, lard/rendered fats, olive oil, etc. I want my food to taste like something. I don't believe in any of the health claims, but I also don't have any reason to want to use a flavorless oil.
I moved away from non stick because no matter how meticulous you are about not damaging the coating, it will eventually start to crack and flake because that's what happens when you have two materials with different thermal expansion coefficients bonded together. I was tired of having to buy a new pan every couple years; it felt wasteful and I was tired of treating my pans like delicate flowers while cooking. I switched to SS and CS and it feels so good to be able to abuse my pans with stainless steel utensils like a proper home cook, knowing that they will last the rest of my life.
@@spacetoast7783 This was what I said when I throw out the last non stick I had. I did not want to baby my cookware anymore. Cast iron lasts forever and works just as well as non stick if you treat it right. I also got rid of as much plastic in my kitchen as I respectively could. Like stainless steel spatulas and the like, because metal just lasts longer.
Love the video and had a big laugh at the "coconut oil on the bedside table" bit. I have gone home with that person, and feel nostalgia any time I see coconut oil now. Great work, as always
People look for any simple ingredient to blame everything on, and theyve done so for decades now. first it was sugar, then it was cholestrol in foods, then it was sugar again with low carbs, etc. You even see the same in different cultures. The truth is seed oils arent really harmfull. intake of it is just a roundabout way of measuring processed food intake, fried food and obesity. Its what the research reflects. And no its not biased research, its easy to avoid biased research
For those who think paid/biased research is difficult to discern: ALL valid research have to state any monitary relationship with the one paying for the research. Even if they had any previous monitary relations with the researchers. This is in ALL researchpapers. We also have research paid by factions who wants seed oils to be bad, showing it to be fine. Reading the actual research makes it really easy to see if its good or not. Even when you only have an superficial understanding of reading reasearch
People believe whatever their feel like believing in at any random moment and then they cherry pick information to validate their choices. Reason never entered the equation. People crave to dominate and exert their authority over others by creating in groups and out groups regarding the most trivial things. Self appointed intellectuals love to label anything and everyone to simplify their existence. When they inevitably get proven wrong by life itself, they seek out scapegoats and move on to the next convenient bandwagon.
To be fair, if you had to cut out one thing from your diet to have the most positive effect, added refined sugar would be that. Having served in the armed forces, whenever we were on high intensity maneuvers, we would pretty much live off sugar for that quick energy for half of the time, so please don't try and "educate" me. Sugar has it's place in a diet. However if you are an average person looking to eat better and cut off calories, just not using added sugar and limiting your sweets consumption will have the largest positive effect. (ignoring any abnormalities - yes if you're lactose intolerant and chugging full fat milk, cutting that off will probably be better, but that's not what I'm talking about)
@@AKKK1182 That's a fair mentality to possess. Progress, not perfection, to combat that analysis paralysis in this alternative facts age is a sensible way to move forward. Kindness, understanding and cooperation is the way forward. Ego, arrogance and ignorance is the enemy.
I wish the internet was filled with more balanced and nuance discussion, but I guess it is what it is. It’s easy to fall into “health freak” rabbit holes when you don’t know any better, and like you allude to, there is always some truth to the discussion but it just goes to far and becomes “extreme”. This video hits for me because it is relevant beyond seed oils. I see parallel issues in other communities like gaming. Everything is sensationalized and the extremity of opinions is taken to the max. I can’t even say the new Naughty Dog trailer looks cool without being labeled a mindless consumer soy boy 💀. Thanks for the vid Net Shaq, you’re a real one p.s. I hope my comment about seed oils you showcased in a video not too long ago was taken as sarcasm lol
the biggest recent net positive in my life by far has been to not engage with online discourse™ any more. videos like this give me an occasional glimpse into what is The Current Thing. fascinating.
I grew up raising chickens and I’ve been interested in how other people raise there chickens. The videos online have always gave me the “ick”. Homesteaders who hate on seed oils unfortunately tend to have an Alex jones conspiracy streak to them, and man, some of them love talking about how the government is after you and why sunscreen is bad, etc. I find it unfortunate because raising your own animals is really great. Canning and other forms of preservation are also really interesting and fun. And yeah, beef tallow tastes better than soybean oil. But it’s unfortunate that the weird opinions and beliefs of this people turn others off to, in my opinion, some really cool and fascinating stuff. Loved the video man!
seeds fall traditionally into 3 categories, protein , starch, oil. seedoil from oil seeds like rapeseed or sunflower is not an issue. it only gets an issue if it comes from other categories of seeds. Soybean oil is pretty horrible because they need to do alot of stuff to the seeds to extract the oil.
While I love olive oil for some cooking, I''ve always stuck to canola for most general cooking because of the higher smoke point and neutral flavor. When I recently started getting into deep frying, I realized that the peanut oil which is best for that is what I should've been using instead of canola all along.
I made the same switch years ago when I realized canola actually isn't neutral when heated near its smoke point, it adds a rancid fishy note that's actually pretty disgusting. Then when peanut started getting expensive, I found tallow (rendered from beef suet from the butcher, which is $2/lb for me in the upper midwest and yields about 80%) is cheaper, tastier, plenty neutral for frying fish and roasting veg etc, and can be reused more times in deep frying before it goes off. Unfortunately since then tallow has become a dumb culture war thing, it remains delicious and highly useful though.
@@michaelgeary9370 For me I think it turned out not to be as expensive as I thought it'd be. Walmart's Great Value brand is pretty cheap as peanut oil goes ($17/gallon).
Talking about what works well for you, I have randomly started getting massive stomach pain, and IBS symptoms, went to the doctor who said to keep a Journal of everything I ate, then selectively eliminated what caused the issue, I was eating ramen so much because I knew that wasn't causing my issues. Then one day where I just needed to eat I had Ramen and added some Broccoli to make it "healthier", BAMM I now know what has suddenly started causing my IBS. I have no idea why it started so quickly as I have always eaten lots of the stuff, but, when I went back through my food diary, there it was clear as day IBS symptoms within 24 hours of eating Broccoli. The annoying thing is Broccoli was 50% of the veggies I ate, so now I miss, I need another Veggie, worried to try "green" veggies.
If you haven't already, search low fodmap diets and specific find the types broccoli has. That should give you a decent idea of what foods might potentially trigger your IBS and which ones should not. You don't need to eliminate all of them, just a good place to start with the potentially most problematic.
Maybe after you are done with the elimination phase you can see if you can add back small amounts of broccoli progressively? Keep in mind that the broccoli stems are extremely fibrous and it's not the kind of fiber IBS bellies are good at handling. If you add it back to your diet then eat only the "flower"/ the upper part of it. For the time being you could see if you can eat "leafier" greens like kale, black cabbage and bok choy. They are often easier to handle for those with IBS.
But keep in mind that this doesn't mean that you can't eat broccoli again ever. I have IBS and I was sad when I thought I wouldn't be able to eat bread again. But after the elimination phase I started adding back small amounts of sourdough spelt bread. And now I am usually able to eat 2 regular small sandwiches a day without any stomach issues! The idea is to progressively start adding back higher fodmap ingredients in very small amounts after you have had the elimination phase and kept a food diary to see what causes pain for you. In the future you may be able to eat broccoli again
Maybe Brussels sprouts? I find they've got a similar flavour and similar-ish texture if cooked well. I mean it's all brassica all the way down for like half the veggies we eat, so it might be close enough that it just does the same thing. But it could be worth a shot.
Great video. Can you do one where you cover how not to absolutely destroy your whole kitchen while cooking? This is another reason some folks find it difficult to cook at home.
For myself, I find that cooking mise en place is one of the best ways to avoid destroying your kitchen. Chop and prepare all your ingredients, then wash everything up that you just used, and THEN begin cooking. Less shit to manage after
Honestly, the best cleaning pro tip I found was to clean in between your cooking You got a minute in between where something is getting ready? Clear some dishes and containers, maybe wipe the counter a bit Put things away when done using, so you got more space Do not look at cleaning as some boring thing you always have to put off to later, when it will pile up and overwhelm you after you're done cooking
Planning + Try and take care of small dishes/utensils in the middle of cooking when you have time instead of just tossing them in the sink to take care of later.
15:21 do NOT try to make carrot cakes out of anything other than carrots. in an act of sheer arrogance and inexperience, time I tried making carrot cake, but with beets, thinking that would make it red velvet cake. it was the foulest abomination I ever laid eyes upon, and it tasted even worse.
The amount of people in my age group, 20’s, who don’t know how to cook is staggering. Literally like 85% of people I’ve met are, somehow, shamefully proud (?) of not knowing how to cook, like they’ve just accepted that as fact of life or something? Drives me nuts. These same people are also the ones harping against seed oils now, as if that’s the main culprit of them being unhealthy. 🤷♀
While I personally haven't met epople who proudly admit they don't know how to cook, I also get so astonished when someone on the internet says that. Cooking is a basic life skill. It's like someone saying they don't know how to wipe their own ass! Ridiculous
In my mind, it's about personal choice. I cook 95% of my meals at home. I started in my early 20s. My older sister is the same. Meanwhile, my younger brother probably couldn't tell you the last time he cooked a meal. All raised by the same parents. But it's possible that my parents changed their parenting style as they got older. I remember a lot of home cooked meals but also a lot of fast food. It's possible that there was a trend toward fast food over time that my brother was the primary victim of. Either way, we all have the choice to cook at home, and it's probably cheaper too, despite what many say.
I honestly adore this calm video, with full disclosures that you're just a guy doing his thing online. Figuring out what works for YOU is a key thing. The note of every person's dietary needs being individual is VERY important. From my perspective, it's hard enough to find things that my body will tolerate, due to a health condition my medical team and I are trying to figure out... I don't need other people fear-mongering me into avoiding (or not avoiding) something. My body does that enough, thank u... I L O V E food, and thankfully I LOVE cooking, so I've gotten pretty steady at figuring out what works for me... And sometimes I DO partake in things that I KNOW are bad for me, because sometimes I just want something with a particular taste or texture. My choice, I know the likely outcome. I think more folks should stop yelling so much and just focus on what works for them, but hey... A lot of folks get a thrill out of a long, noisy debate. Not for me, but to each their own!
The one "food group" that I've been convinced is harmful is ultra processed food by the argument that if a food can be advertised, the economic incentives push for the food to be designed in a way where you eat as much of that food as possible, so they drive unhealthy eating. It's not about the contents/ingredients of the food, its the economics of it.
@@wapniak666 Ironically this is why we're in the boat we're in given half of our food wouldn't even be allowed to be sold in the rest of the world. Though maybe less regulation and more lobbying and incentives is what is causing it.
@@wapniak666 which is what the government did. And it almost immediately became a pay-to-play scheme as any other public or private gatekeeping entity would have. It's going to be a constant battle in any regulatory situation, so we should never assume that whomever is doing the regulating is always on the level.
Food is being engineered for maximum addictivity. Food addiction is real. They manipulate things with flavorings and additives. If you eat more they sell more. For example look up how Pepsi or Coke used fetal cells for this purpose. I’m literally not making this up.
I love that this general mindset can be applied to anything. Worry about yourself. Do what makes you happy. Do it yourself if it makes you worry less because you have more control. This applies to everything from food to furniture to home schooling. I guess just don't do healthcare at home... Maybe it doesn't apply to everything, but it has broader applications. Thanks for being rational and relatable!
You do such a good job of reasonably handling all the little snags in modern Internet discourse. Saving this so i can decontextualize it into a framework for discussing polarizing multifaceted controversies
Like a lot of people, I was against these oils for reasons I could not explain because I had no real reason to do so. Then I saw Mike Isratel talk about it, and he is quite honest about most subjects if not all. His take on it was mesured and straight to the point, i'm still going to use most peanut oil but not gonna feel bad for pulling out the vegetable oil when I make mayo anymore.
Mike Israetel is a liar and doesn't know anything. His opinions on fitness are irrelevant, as are his opinions on nutrition. He may be correct about something accidentally, but at least in the case of fitness, he has at some point held every possible opinion on how to train. My point being that you should not listen to anything he says because he doesn't believe what he spouts, seeing how often he changes opinions.
@AutisticAndBallistic if you're primarily informed by current scientific practice, it's natural that your opinions will change fairly regularly as new information is discovered
@@partylikeits1066 Oh please, his idea of "training" is just upping his dose. For bodybuilding his advice is worthless, it has been made clear by the fact he looks like shit every single time, like a bloated red bullflog, as well as how he has never even broken top 3 (might even be top 5). If he has no results he should not be giving out advice to millions of people. Secondly, changing your every single opinion the moment a paper comes out just shows that you never really believed anything in the first place and were just spouting what you have been told. Which means your advice is worthless since you can never stand behind it. The guy has been working out for decades, he should be able to stand behind a specific method that he has, at some point, employed, that worked.
I appreciate your level head and your ability to hold a firm personal stance without taking others down with shame. Just being as objective as possible while conveying your own thoughts. I applaud you for trying to stay out of online discourse, as you mentioned. Keep on keeping on,
Thanks for encouraging home cooking. I have learned a lot from your teachings. The more cooking shows you watch the more you learn “the way”. The point of these shows is to learn techniques and learn how to substitute ingredients. But what ever you think is “healthy” and making food at home will give you power over your diet. Thanks internet Shaquille for your pickled onion recipe. I learning the techniques has allowed me to go to the farmers market and make pickled vegetables from what ever is in season.
I appreciate the well reasoned and nuanced video and we should really stop consuming so much processed food, when is the video with oils you recommend coming up?
By no means am I making a one-for-one comparison, BUT, this video presenred like Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan, and my takeaway from his book is almost exactly what your conclusion is. When we grow, process, and cook our own food, or at the least, cook our own food, we gain control over what goes into it. Excellent video, well presented, and grateful for how succinct and open you were!
This is anecdotal and personal and i fully acknowledge that. In india we do most of our cooking with ghee and butter (My family even makes our own ghee at home). But in the past few years there has been a huge mass adoption of seed oils and obesity rates have skyrocketed too. The local doctors i have talked to have always advised that using homemade or even store bought desi ghee is better for health than using seed oils like sunflower seed etc. And When i was on keto i felt better personally when using a mix of Olive oil, Ghee and butter than i did when using sunflower oil (what my family currently uses). I do however still use sesame oil or peanut oil from time to time just for taste in chinese dishes cuz it doesnt matter what diet you are on if your food doesn't taste good you won't stick to it.
Videos like this one are (part of) the reason why I follow your channel for so long. The level of trust you induce with this kind of attitude makes me more likely to take other advice from the same direction.
I loved this video! Thank for pointing out the difference between "my" and "a" healthcare professional. Any influencer spitting out generalised health adviced to the general internet is a red flag, even if its "science-based". Health is always holistic and often comes down to genetics rather than lifestyle choices. Insisting that every single person on earth would benefit from the same generic exclusion-focused diet is absolutely not the behaviour of a sane healthcare professional.
"I'm not telling you who to be mad at or how angry you should be." Oh, man, I can't tell you how much relief hearing that brought me. Just so soothing. Thank you.
As always, GREAT video. For me, personally, as a Brazilian person living in São Paulo, I literally ALWAYS go for the cheapest oil, which is always soybean. Any other seed oil is at least twice the price, other oils are something that I don't even know any person that can afford them. For me that's good enough, even though I try to avoid using bottled oil as much as I can by doing what you said about homecooks having access to rendered fat from other products like chicken and pork. That said, people who don't cook as much as me (because I cook as much as I do because I love doing it) could never take the time to do things like buying whole chicken legs, deboning to make stock and using leftover skin and fat to render it. And that's fine, as long as we don't judge people because they don't act like us. A friend recently told me a story about a trip he took to a very small village in the northeast of Brazil with his girlfriend and another couple, and the girl that was with them was a big city girl and a vegan (really not knocking on vegans here, but this specific person), and she made a scene in a local small restaurant because the local people were eating chicken! I mean, that's just insane. Respecting people's choices, even if you don't understand them, specially if it really doesn't do you any harm directly (guess what, everything could be traced back to something that harms you so yeah not a real reason) is completely insane for me. Anyways, great video again! Thank you for taking the time to share it
Shaq is on the money with this one. Great video brother! I fall under the more tinfoilly category, but I think it’s cause I’m radically repelling against the fruity pebble and lunchable diet I grew up on. I appreciate this focused, down to earth, individual approach to the topic!
For metadata analyses and human-tested studies showing the safety of seed oils: On Pubmed: "Dietary intake and biomarkers of linoleic acid and mortality", "Time-dependent effects of safflower oil to improve glycemia", On AHA Circulation: "Biomarkers of Dietary Omega-6 Fatty Acids and Incident Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality", "Dietary Fats and Cardiovascular Disease"
I have a similar belief with you, the dose makes the poison. When I can though, I do avoid vegetable oils. Although I do have a rationale that was not on your list. Their high concentration of polyunsaturated fats and complete disregard for the prevention of lipid peroxidation in manufacturing and packaging worries me greatly. Instead, the oils are deodorized so you just don't notice that they've gone rancid right out of the factory. The early vegetable oil products were known to smell bad for that reason.
That's a good point, and they still do smell bad after heating. I don't have any opinions on the health claims, nutrition science is famously not at all rigorous or reliable, but I think it might be a good idea to avoid food-like substances that need to be deodorized because humans naturally perceive them as disgusting otherwise.
"Every reason to avoid seed oils" yet doesn't mention all the research that links omega 6 fatty acids (the main constituent of seed oils) to inflammation and metabolic syndrome. And by the way, you can define seed oils as cooking oils with over 10% omega 6 fatty acids.
I adore this video. It’s not “vintage Shaq” (he says himself that this used to be a channel about sandwiches he likes) but this is such a clinical examination of viewpoints, from the legitimate to the deranged. Even if it doesn’t get as much traction, it’s delightful to hear a mature approach to bizarre culture war ideas.
I struggle so hard finding actual health advice. My cholesterol is a little high and the internet is laden with "Canola is better than butter" but it's so impossible to find reliable scientific information about their effects. And when you do, there's an equal study with the opposite results. Ack! When it comes to health, finding the line where you can use the minimum amount of the bad stuff without sacrificing altogether feels like the best you can do
I think this is where tuning out the internet noise and talking to a medical professional is the best idea. No one can tell you whats going on with your genetics and diet like a doctor and a blood test.
i hear you, i am looking for a doctor that will actually listen to me and work with me to get healthy. i wish we had more time to GET healthy. and then to find a regiment that can sustain that healthy while doing normal everyday stuff. it is a full time job to get this done. in part because there is so little individualized support for it.
@@Andre-qo5ekThere are sensible people in some communities, you just have to make an effort to seek them out. It is difficult work but considerably more convenient than doing everything yourself.
I have the gene that makes it so I can't break down cholesterol. I think we severely underestimate how diverse we are considering that we already know how diverse our gut microbiome can be and how certain nutrients help with absorption of others, certain people may never know they have a food allergy because it's not noticeable besides the occasional stomach ache and gas. Do your own testing, try eating foods you believe will be beneficial in lowering your cholesterol and get regular blood tests to see what works. For me olive oil has been good to me I use it in everything I cook for some people that might not be the case, humans are weird and very misunderstood
You scared me with that title Shaq, I'm not going to lie haha. Another bullet-proof logical take as always, thank you for being a voice of reason in these trying times.
hahaha reason 10 on the list really spun me on my ass, i was raised jewish + eating kosher and we actually often would eat stuff with seed oils in it all the time (like the stuff you described as vegetable oils masquerading as dairy, these were often used as substitutes from having to separate meat and dairy and not being able to use dairy with meat stuff), wild
5:33 And this right here is why I value NetShaq and his normal-guy-ed-ness more than I value the opinions of a great many chefs or foodies - NetShaq knows there are different strokes from different folks. As a picky eater who might have ARFID and is still trying to grow out of it, your videos give me the confidence to try new things without making me feel stupid or inferior for not always succeeding when I try to broaden my horizons. Thank you NetShaq ❤ if you celebrate I hope you and the fam have some happy holidays Edit: I trust you because you've never tried to sell me anything except a cool ass apron with a tea-towel strap and some cool pottery, and you're cool with me not buying it even though I'm watching your videos and learning about cooking (and buying groceries) for free 🤷♀I don't even like half the food you cook, but I can cook it thanks to you! ❤[sidenote not asking you to change your cuisine or anything like that!]
wow...what a super important nuanced deeo dive into so many topics in such a beautiful concise format free from condescension or over intellectualization. Great post. Def gonna need another watch or two in order to fully digest but I really appreciate the time and effort put into this so thank you! So true all of it...too bad not enough people will take the time necessary to fully absorb all the great info you have packed in here in less than 20 mins! kudos! ❤❤❤❤
hmm nice fair and balanced take, unfortunately for you all I heard was sneedoil, that you avoid seed oils and ultra processed food and so now I will extrapolate to the worst possible person you could be that is analogous to other extreme minority opinions of the undiagnosed on the internet.
Better is better, an improvement from something that is bad to something that is not as bad is an improvement. I'm glad every time I hear people voice the sentiment. Too much focus on "that thing isn't 100% ideal so it is evil." Thanks for the video.
I find it shameful that in the current world almost 50% of a 17 minute video has to be spent pre-snuffing the inevitable outrage everybody feels over fucking everything.
I'm two years into cooking most meals at home. Other than 2-3 times a month I may pick something up or go out with someone I cook and eat everything else at home. Not by choice, but by preference and cost savings. I appreciate and enjoy your content, mentality, and opinions. Keep it up.
great video. the awareness of what’s in your food + home cooking is probably the best you can do for health. quit alcohol, sugar & refined oils / grains a couple months ago and have been cooking way more at home and the healthiest i’ve ever been at 36yo
I’ve spent the past few months avoiding seed oils, taking my points from a channel called “What I’ve learned”, claiming that it’s been making is dumber. I’ve not become any smarter, but have lost a good amount of weight, become more confident and even taken on bike riding. But, I’ve started having a bit more recently. I completely stopped Mayonnaise and my food was always dry, encouraging me to learn how to cook well. It’s only been a few months, but I’ve changed my opinion to the dose makes the poison. Just like paracetamol, a bit won’t do anything, 8 tablets will send you to the hospital with a failing liver. I also, need to take a break from the internet.
Oil has a lot of calories. I lost weight (and kept it off) through calorie counting, and having minimal amounts of things like oil and mayo is important because they’re SO calorie dense.
Hard to know how many, but there are a lot that would believe something like that. Though, that is more crazy than believing the world flooded so maybe not.
I want to force every person I've ever met to watch this video. You've done a wonderful job advocating for at-home cooking, media literacy and critical thinking all in one video. Bravo, and thank you
9:54 There's the real reason.
Just look up the what the Talmud says in Yalkut 245c and Zohar 1160a. Also, look up "metzitzah b'peh".
gotta pin this one bc many viewers don't believe that maniacs like you exist
@@internetshaquille haha wow you caught one already.
pin of shame lmao
I never even considered that, thank you for your service.
The Zohar isn't even in the Talmud, and neither is "Yalkut 245c" and that's not even a valid citation to anything. Metzitah b'peh is not common practice pretty much anywhere, also.
This is why I use crude oil instead.
i use it because its all natural and comes from the earth
It's tantalizing. It's addictive. It is...a delicacy
It's unprocessed!
@@gohabs9 exactly, if these people care so much about their health why aren't they drilling their own oil? 🤔
crude joke....
I came into this video not knowing what a seed oil is. I left this video still not knowing what a seed oil is but confident that I don't need to concern myself with the information.
Oil's oil. Cooking oils shouldn't have strong flavor, and once you heat oil it's less nutrient rich anyway. Just use less oil if you can, the smallest amount in your pan as possible is a great way to go. Any topping of oil should be olive oil, since it tastes better, and is relatively healthy when uncooked. Once you heat the oil its no longer "extra virgin" so using it as cooking oil doesn't really add too much nutrients to your dish (obviously it's still got healthier fats but a lot of those nutrients are now damaged and you'll get less)
The main thing you should worry about with cooking oils is smoke point in relation to the level of heat you wish to apply for extremely practical reasons.
oil that is extracted from seeds which reaches high temperatures in that process and as a result, oxidizes. oxidation can then create free radicals which promote inflammation which is the cause of a number of different ailments. it's no secret that heart and cardiovascular disease saw massive increases in occurrence with the advent of crisco.
it should not be a stretch to believe that the food companies selling you this garbage don't have your best interests in mind.
@@goodbher9244man I have learned that cooking olive oil as a primary cooking oil makes my food taste worse than when I use the oil as a topping. I am more of a canola oil gal as the flavor tastes more neutral to me.
And you’re right, less is more.
Beautifully worded
Too late, i've already depicted you as the wojak in mspaint
post netshaq soyjak pls
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gem
based ms paint enjoyer
Have you tried depicting him in pork lard yet
a quick "Crisco was paid to be mentioned at the end of this video" would have been hilarious but I'm sure a lot of people would have went insane
Gone! 😊
thats hilarious
I just use the oil from the last oil change from my car. Nothing beats that sweet Toyota flavor.
hey theres a reason toyota cars keep running for decades
Bro, that Toyota oil is LITERALLY killing you. That's why I drink my Subaru's oil, the way our paleolithic ancestors did
The sparkles in the used oil really add a nice gritty texture.
Fortified with iron and other essential nutrients
After dinner, let's go places
Seeing Shaq mention a 'Seed Oil Culture War' makes me glad I'm offline enough to not know what the hell that means
He's basically talking about the wave of health nut influencers spreading misinformation and shaming people for using seed oils, typically these influencers also promote diets like carnivore, keto, paleo, raw ect. But they drink raw milk or a whole stick of butter followed by 10+ supplements
@@ROYALRAT123 My life has gotten 0.1% worse after reading that, I shall endeavor to never read about this ever again
@@ROYALRAT123it’s more than that though, because somehow the religious crazies got involved, and it’s hilarious
@@Brent-jj6qi Yea it goes hand in hand with the idea of reverting "to the old days" a delusion these people have where men act like caveman and don't shower and down raw steaks while their wife is barefoot in the kitchen surrounded by their flock of children making raw granola "cookies" on their multi million dollar property
@@Brent-jj6qi that woman mentioning the bible in reference to which damn fats you use makes me extremely sketched out, cause the bible also references lots of heinous stuff, is that also stuff you agree with lady?
Comparing the store bought sugar cookies to the frozen dough and the allrecipes recipe was technically a revival of Easier Tastier Prettier. I'll take it.
I really do hope he actually brings back that series at some point
Hear hear!!
sorry but hearing the internet cooking guy who tells me how to make burritos and salsa say "sneed oils" has inflicted psychic damage on me
Shaq is a self reflected guy but also clearly terminally online haha
@@McDonaldsCalifornia Kind of hard to avoid it when it's your job. He's also mentioned how he reads all the youtuber comments because of how important feedback is to him and he's talked about how his instructional design background has influenced his youtube videos. It is very hard for people whose job it is to be online all day to be disconnected from the public discourse.
Formerly Chuck oils
Especially considering the fact that it's so far removed from sneed originally coming from a random simpsons joke.
@@PankoBreading underrated comment
I took a class called “ecogastronomy” in college and while a decent slice of it was a little too ignorant of the facts, it did preach one of the greatest lessons I ever learned: the most important thing that any person can have in their relationship with food is **control**. This spans every human scale, from your day to day meals, to the accessible selections at your town’s grocers, to a whole country’s domestic agriculture. I’m fond of your commitment to that.
The analysis paralysis point is so real. I got so in my head for a while about cookware, teflon and microplastics that I was instead buying takeout that is GUARANTEED to be cooked on some sort of nonstick surface, and packaged with BPA, but I was just relieved to not have to make that choice.
commercial kitchens don't typically cook on non-stick. it can't handle high heat or mechanical abuse (both of which are constant) and wears out quickly. most places use aluminum pans because they're very cheap, durable, and work pretty well. a higher end place might use stainless. and a grill surface (flat top or broiler) is probably carbon steel. sticking really isn't a problem with sufficient oil (which they are _definitely_ using plenty of) and a bit of heat control, and is sometimes even desirable to a degree. (the packaging is probably cheap crap though)
@@million_unalived_CEOs very good point! I hadn't thought about it like that, but you're right - at home use would be far more prevalent for nonstick.
I don't want to eat aluminum either.
nah dude teflon is objectively toxic and can cause a laundry list of severe health issues if ingested or inhaled from an overheated pan. i only use stainless steal and cast iron. the only reason food sticks to a pan is if your pan isn't hot enough.
@@Coromi1too bad
Good analysis as always, one minor complaint, some viewers might come away from the aside on cutting boards thinking wood boards harbor bacteria. UC Davis Food Safety Lab in the 1990s repeatedly and convincingly showed wood boards are more sanitary than plastic with meat residues and bacteria like salmonella.
Wood is porous, but if washed with regular dish soap and towel dried, the pores don't harbor any residual live bacteria, they kill them by drawing them in where they dry out, stop multiplying, and gradually die. Worn (knife-marked) wood boards have an even greater cleanliness advantage over worn plastic ones, because the same washing action is much less effective at disinfecting a cut-up plastic board and the bacteria do multiply in the crevices, where a well-used wood board works basically the same as a new one.
This research led USDA to reverse their vibes-based advice against using wood cutting boards at home, but unfortunately the "wood harbors bacteria" myth mostly persists with the public.
I agree with everything you said, but I think what Shaq was getting at is less that "wood boards are bad because XYZ" and more that no matter what choice you make, somebody is going to yell at you about it (even if they're wrong)
@@m.f.3347 yes, I think the framing there was kinda ambiguous but most viewers who don't know the research on wood board sanitation would come away from it thinking he'd endorsed the misconception they harbor bacteria more than plastic
How was the point ambiguous at all? Microplastics haven't been proven to cause problems yet and we don't have numbers on glass board injuries. All 3 can be fine technically. And why defend wood over the other 2 choices?
Very interesting thank you
Missed the whole point of the video right here lmao
Nothing makes me angrier than reading a book by someone with a "Dr." title, only to find out at the end that they're a Doctor of Chiropractic.
But they are the only ones that can help with the ghost in my blood!
/s
Or how Subway was founded by "Doctor's Associates Inc" because one founder wanted to go to med school eventually and the other had a doctorate in physics
Every time you see an internet comment or short form video where the person is pushing being a “doctor” in your face, they end up being a chiropractor. Such a scummy “discipline” built on pseudoscience and ghost stories, so I’m not surprised.
It could be worse, could a doctorate in something random like math or history. Chiro's are a type of doctor.
@@WhyitJellyDonutmost Doctors in other academic fields don’t pose as medical doctors unlike chiropractors
Got called out on my polenta and caviar diet.
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LA POLENTA TARAGNAROK!!!
😂
When you're rich but you're also still Jenny from The Block
I got called out on my bottle of coconut oil on my night stand.
Dilf internet chef DESTROYS irrationally online people with FACTs & LOGIC
Keep up the great work shaq, love how you arent afraid to be rational and nuanced in a world full of people screaming for attention
What facts and logic? He didn’t provide any scientific evidence to support the claim that seed oils are inherently unhealthy. Instead, he simply categorised them alongside unhealthy foods, which would still be unhealthy even if the oils were replaced with healthier alternatives.
@@seanrawlinson He didn't say they were always unhealthy, though.
@@seanrawlinson This guy didn't read the logic part of the comment 😂
@@seanrawlinsonI don't think he claimed that. In fact, it was the exact opposite of that.
I'm over here just unprepared for the idea that this man counts as old enough to be a DILF.
11:38 "I accidently got invested with someone who [doesn't know even a basic fundamental] it might be time to log off"
the universal internet experience of realizing that the person you're arguing with isn’t even reading the same book, let alone on the same page
"You're not only not in the same ballpark, you're not even playing the same sport."
This and 9:12 "it feels more about winning a war than being helpful" sums up modern internet discourse.
Whenever you find yourself bufuddled in an internet argument, ask yourself "is this a teenager?". I'm not saying that everyone I disagree with is a teenager or that teenagers are dumb, it just helps to realize that you really could be talking to anyone and all that context is taken away by the anonymity of the internet. I naturally picture a stranger on the internet as being similar to myself just because I narrate their writing in my own mind and thus assign them my own persona, so of course I get confused when I don't agree with myself!
@@justindie7543"the fact that I'm at risk of seeing a 14 year old's opinion is a human rights violation" - someone on twitter
I like to phrase this as "it's easy to not read the room when you're not in it in the first place"
"I love poison, Hennessy is my favorite one of all" 🤣
best line of the whole video, we all have our favorite poisons
My favorient Content Creator of Color.
@@SludgeManCometh Kinda weird to qualify him like that IMO, especially with the Rules of Title Caps in use
"Shelf stable buffalo sauce that's not longer made from buffaloes."
We used to be a real country
How far we've fallen. Now all buffalo sauce is made of men named Frank :'(
@@decimusanothos5178 ...I'd buy Frank Sauce at least three times.
God, the world would be a much cooler place if the buffalo was naturally spicy.
Too much rationality for my carefully curated hot take UA-cam algorithms that get me riled up every morning :(
Yeah needs politics for the blood pressure. With an enemy the day gains structure.
Man, you are good at what you do. That entire "personal opinions" section was incredibly well worded while also being very detailed and insightful. I appreciate the work you put into your videos!
I was somehow unaware that “seed oils” were a controversial subject
You have no idea how extraordinarily jealous of you I am right now
God I wish I was him
Same here. I guess you, me and people like us are lucky. This seems like such a non problem.
Same. I love being social media offline, it revolutionized my life. I’m down to UA-cam for fun and silly videos, and chatting with my friends in personal servers on discord
It’s because in recent years there have been more and more studies investigating and questioning the cholesterol theory of atherosclerosis.
We’ve had statins for 20+ years now and the average diet has shifted from saturated fats to polyunsaturated fats which was supposed to prevent heart disease but heart disease is only on the rise.
It’s caused a lot of researchers and doctors cognitive dissonance in terms of what they were told would happen and what actually is happening in their practices/datasets.
Everyone agrees that French fries are bad, but if you ask most people why they don’t really know. “Because it’s fried”. Okay, but potatoes are perfectly fine as long as you’re not diabetic.
There’s something about the frying process itself that’s unhealthy. In my opinion, it’s the “seed oils”, which oxidize easily, especially in the presence of heat.
There is an interesting new narrative review, just a couple years old, which explores a specific kind of “seed oil” called Lineolic Acid as a theoretical mechanism of causing heart disease.
I don't understand. Who are we supposed to hate? I need to be told who to hate!!
Down with big oil ✊😡
Car oil? Booooo!
Oily Italian men? Booooo!
Baby oil? Boooo!
You sound like the kind of person who knows who to hate already.
@@AstavyastataaYou sound like the kind of person who lets jokes go right over your head
@@Ross516 cool.
@@Astavyastataa Absolutely you, with that sense of humor
Wow, pretty evil to single-handedly destroy the foodservice industry by telling people to eat at home
The Shaq agenda continues!!!
Checkmate, Bazinga
Internet "Enemy of the working class" Shaq.
Destroy the agricultural overlords by only eating berries from a bush 💪
😂
Interesting timing. Today I saw a thread of someone asking innocuous questions about seed oils and being told to drink raw milk instead.
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they'll recommend raw everything until it's widespread enough that tons of people get sick, then we'll remind ourselves why fire and cooking is the greatest human invention
I replaced my daily glass of canola oil with raw milk and I feel so much better it's true
@@BabboSenseibeta attitude, just hand mash 42 pounds of coconut with a prehistoric (sugar balanced) strawberry and raw milk*
*African savannah raised
@@MenchieExtraktThere is zero risk to raw milk. Raw milk does not make you sick.
Seed oil hysteria has been driving me nuts. The other day my mom was getting upset that she couldn't find roasted cashews without a seed oil on the ingredients list, and I had to try and unwind all the misguided social media advice that got her in that spot. This was cathartic to watch, thanks.
Why not just respect their dietary choice and help them? And why not also be bothered there's not more options and it's so everpresent?
@@InvadeNormandy If somebody has an informed, reasonable preference to avoid seed oils, then I don't care. If somebody avoids seed oils because they think that consuming them in any quantity will lead to serious health problems for no better reason than because they saw a tiktok of a shirtless dude in a grocery store saying that it would, then I'd rather help them get past that irrational fear. It's about the fear and stress being disproportionate to the actual issue at hand. I don't want people, especially family members, stressing out unnecessarily.
And to be clear, I personally do not consume nearly any seed oils, nor do I recommend people go out of their way to include them in their diets. I cook 95% of my own meals from single ingredient foods and prefer to use extra virgin olive oil or avocado oil when I do so. It's one thing to say "don't use seed oils because there are better options out there", but another thing to say "don't use seed oils because they will cause X/Y/Z major health problem". I think people greatly over exaggerate the potential health effects they have, none of which to my knowledge have really been proven in human research.
@@InvadeNormandy Very true. Seed oils are almost everywhere. Most store-bought salad dressings contain them and can be tough to find ones without. I have to think there will be a growing market for non-seed-oil based foods.
@@InvadeNormandy We are supposed to look after family and feeding into an irrational fear that causes them to spend more money is the opposite of that.
@@btg49 informed reasonable preference- i dont want to eat highly processed oils when the natural alternative exists. this is the same reason i actively avoid pesticides, food colorings contrived from petroleum/lab chemicals, teflon pans, and plastic containers. I dont need a study to tell me that an oil that is bleached and washed with hexane is unhealthy. it obviously is to anyone with common sense. Avoiding those items listed can only be beneficial and including them can, at worst, be massively detrimental.
I AM ANGRY THAT YOU DID NOT TELL ME WHOM TO BE ANGRY AT!!!!! WHY ELSE WOULD I SPEND 17 MINUTES OF MY LIMITED EXISTANCE WATCHING A VIDEO ON SEED OILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, you give me reason to be hopeful for humanity. Thank you for 17 minutes of calm on the internet.
The central point and conclusion here are so strong. A good relationship with food can only come from actually dealing with food! Cooking, experimenting, getting a feeling for things.
The intuition you gain goes such a long way even if it isn't completely systematic or scientific.what makes you feel good, what makes you feel bad?
That's pretty standard across all subjects though. You can't really respect for, or care about something you have no understanding of.
Time and time again this guy proves how well adjusted he is, honestly. I watch a lot of cooking youtube, and it's easy for these types of reactionary arguments to become so normalized you start to think it's what everyone thinks (especially if you also watch workout content, like me). Once again Internet Shaquille releases a video and it makes me realize, heck, we're all just normal people at home. I'm just a home cook. Let's all be normal about it. That's literally it.
Loved the jab at the "using kale in a carrot cake" because that's an actualy thing that happened and I can't get it out of my head. Someone actually left a review on recipe complaining it tasted bad and had the wrong texture/consistency - because they substituted carrot for kale. On a carrot cake recipe.
Well aside from Adam Ragusea beef lol
Also helps that he has a great late night radio voice too, smoooooth!
I'm a Nutrition scientist at the University of Tennessee.
In general, I would say that you have to take nutrition research with a grain of salt (no pun intended) no matter what angle it's coming from. Actual nutrition research is insanely difficult to do and rarely happens. Not to mention there are a lot of, for a lack of a better term, mercenary researchers out there that will give you whatever finding you're looking for if you pay them. This is why the Vegan Vs. Carnivore (or any other nutritive debate) will never end. There are people on both sides throwing huge amounts into research to support their positions. This is also why you can seemingly never find a straight answer on these sorts of questions.
I had originally written out an entire manifesto regarding Seed Oils and the available research on them, but I completely erased it. Rather, if people have questions I would be happy to answer them. I feel like that might be better than writing a wall of text that no one would read.
my take is that tl;dr, everyone is different, and needs different food balance.
sure, there are generally good things to include, like fibre, vitamins, etc, but in the end, as long as you're healthy and happy, it doesn't matter what you eat.
you can find a straight answer on seedoils cause the amount of research we have on it is so one sided, its almost ridiculous to state theyre poison.
When i first looked at the topic, 7 years ago, i thought most research would say its bad. but it was the opposite, they said its fine.
Yes i know some mechanistic research claims that it can be bad cause some pathways are activated, but ignoring outcome focused research to highlight mechanistic research is epidome of not seeing forest for the trees
I would have read your wall of text! Would you be up for summarizing the main points? I’m not even totally sure which question I would ask if I were going to ask a question, so if you didn’t want to summarize the points, maybe you could pretend I asked a great question and answer that?
Amen. Nutrition is essentially impossible to have rules for. You need to eat the ideal balance of the three macronutrients for good health. But wait! Don't forget about the correct balance of micronutrients! Buuuuut wait! Don't forget to balance the math appropriate to your gender, age, and individual health needs. Keep waiting, because you also need to account for variance in individual body development, gut flora, metabolism, and in some cases time of day!
Oh. And don't forget to go to your full time job and pay your bills.
I'm a pharmacist from Romania.
Back in college, the department of Botany used to publish dozens of scientific papers on what chemical compounds different plants contained. That's good, sounds like what a department of pharmaceutical botany should be writing about.
The kicker was, every article also included health claims such as "This plants contains anthocyanins. Anthocyanins have health benefits because they're in this plant. This plant is good for you because it's been used in traditional Anatolian medicine and it contains anthocyanins." You may notice some circular logic.
The reason they did this was because a local nutritional supplements factory would sponsor the department. They would quote the university papers and say "look, our pills contain anthocyanins, they're good because studies show they're good for you!"
In the end, no one really knew what the compounds did or how good the plants were for you. What did happen was the supplements factory got more credibility and sold more stuff. Yay.
Had me in the first half, not gunna lie
Big fan of both y'all's channels! After learning so much about caizuyo from your channel and the prevalence of rapeseed oil across asian cooking and that there's a distinct overlap between white nationalist and "seed oil bad" discourse online, my conclusion was that this seed oil stuff is MSG 2.0 and rooted in anti-asian sentiment. I could be wrong but any time I see it I think "that's an easy way to malign all of Chinese food and more."
@@Agoldenexit It's definitely not. It's rooted in science. Most westerners don't know that asians use rapeseed oil AND almost all oils used by Americans are seed oils.
@@Agoldenexitnah you’re tripping.
I started using mustard oil for Chinese food after I heard you talking about caizuyou. Thanks for that. It’s really made it better for me.
@@Agoldenexit trying to avoid unhealthy oils is suddenly white nationalism now? what the hell is wrong with this world. people are brainrotted by politics
Feel like maybe you've covered this one before, but I can't let the cutting board comment at 12:58 slide. Wood doesn't harbour bacteria, it's been shown that it draws down the bacteria and suffocates it, so most wooden boards are naturally antibacterial. I know this was probably just an example of a contentious internet cooking debate, but I don't want the misinformation to be there even in passing.
This video is extremely well structured
his script writing is out of this world
Love the weird kale hype from last decade. Here in The Netherlands it's called ''Farmers Cabbage'' and it was always seen as something rural/old people ate thus always had a bit of a ''grandma food'' stigma. Funny that it has remarketed as some trendy superfood over the pond
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The 20-teens had a lot of "superfoods" that everyone swore were the solution to all ailments and would render us healthy and fit if we just ate more of them. Kale had its day, so did coconut, acai berries, goji berries, ginger, chia seeds, wheatgrass, turmeric. It was fun to see all the different ways people could make coffee/tea/salads really disgusting and then pretend they were good because, hey, "we're eating a superfood!"
It's not even just over the pond - it's over the puddle. The same fad with kale is present in the UK as well.
The issue I have with kale is you very rarely see people eat it because of its taste. It's a form of self-punishment. There are tons of other tasty vegetables out there. (I don't actually mind kale too much but I wouldn't really actively seek it out personally)
@@BrotherCheng Not me! I make kale chips all the time & love them.
I have eaten out at restaurants/fast food probably less than 15 times in the last 5 years. This is not out of any health consciousness or anything, just because I'm a cheapass and cooking at home is so much cheaper. I also very frequently don't eat red meat or any meat at all over the course of a week, not because I'm vegan or vegetarian, just because It's cheaper to buy a bunch of produce, cheese, eggs, etc. than it is to buy a steak every week. If you wish you had more disposable income, try being a home cook! It might make you healthier too as an added bonus. However, if eating out often is a value-add to your life, follow your bliss.
Cheese is as expensive as meat. Why not buy some minced beef or chicken or canned fish. Get some more protein without breaking the bank! 👍🏻
10:04 Funny, I can't find any mention of TikTok or electronic mixers in the Bible either but she is still using them.
These people are always hypocrites who only invoke the Bible when it suits their sensibilities and completely ignore it when it goes the other way
@@chanr9531 cool! Now talk about Muslim majority countries
@nhpivotlkwhat about it?
@nhpivotlk “b-b-but what about-ACK!”
You redditors need to come up with better material
this is EXACTLY the reason i watch your videos so much and so thoroughly. you've vocalized every feeling i have about this down to "just cook at home so that YOU have ultimate control over your food". I've never been able to put it to words myself but this was such an incredible summary.
also, hilariously good title lmfao
Cook from home, grow things if you have the time, and if you don't, try to buy from local people you trust when you can. If you can't do either, just try to eat seasonally when possible. Best thing you can do for yourself.
This is a cultural shock moment for me who is in China, and grew up with seed oil as an essential part of our family kitchen.
In America we also use it plenty too. We call it vegetable oil but it's really just a fancy word for soybean oil.
seed oils are an essential part of most family kitchens here in America too. there's just some
Ngl, it's a recent trend in America, the last 10-15 years, to malign seed oils bc ppl want to eat butter and sugar again. It's just seed oils' turn on the chopping block for now. My mom cooked with every fat available except for crisco. The food I ate growing up usually had animal fat and seed oil, usually canola oil, but sometimes olive or sesame oil.
It /can/ be difficult for certain conditions to digest them (TMI soy oil goes riiiiight through me), but that's a 1. Reason to avoid them (my Dr said so).
It's a shame because I find myself eating far less chili oil even though I love it and any authentic/Taiwanese chinese food. Guess it just means I need to learn how to make some favorite dishes at home
Well seed oil is definitely preferable to Chinese sewer oil
Off topic but kinda on topic thoughts from a pharmaceutical chemist working in R&D in the petroleum industry. It's more similar than you think.
First we have divide oils into two categories, saturated and unsaturated. Saturated fatty acids have straight carbon chains with no obvious place for other molecules to attack. Meaning higher resistance to oxidative degradation, think synthetic motor oil. This is also why tallow and ghee have high smoke points. The nice straight carbon chains stack nicely, hence solid at room temp.
Unsaturated on the other hand have double bonds which introduces kinks and bends into the carbon chain. The increase of electron density at the double bonds facilitates cleavage of chain by either oxygen or water (hydrolysis). This makes them better for use in biodegradable lubricants but for the same reason more prone to oxidation and radical formation in high heat searing.
If you were to send both types of fats for biological testing in bacterial inoculum and daphnia the immediate result is that the saturated fatty acids will bioaccumulate until the subjects die. Meanwhile the unsaturated fats are more easily degradable by both chemical (water) and enzymatic hydrolysis.
You are not daphnia(!) but the enzymes in your body are the same. They hold the water molecule in a position so that it can more easily react with the carbon chain.
Saturated=high heat, unsaturated= easier breakdown.
Where my knowledge ends is US production of vegetable oils as I am based on northern Europe. I've seen first hand how responsible rapeseed oil is produced here and I genuinely do not know if US actually uses solvent extraction.
I'm by no means an expert but I would be careful with trusting any "doctor" giving advice on nutrition. Look for dietitians, MD's and chemist doing research in the field of nutrition.
Also, while on the topic. Natural does not automatically mean better.
If anyone got this far, well done nerd. You take what you want from this, I'm just a chemist that likes all his fatty acids equally.
now this is the informed stuff I wanted to hear 💯
Before this video, I was unaware of whatever culture war is brewing around seed oils. I really appreciate you keeping this video in 2 parts, so I can decide for myself if I want to go past the cooking discussion.
It feels good being disconnected from it.
The biggest reason for me is that the alternatives taste better. Butter, lard/rendered fats, olive oil, etc. I want my food to taste like something.
I don't believe in any of the health claims, but I also don't have any reason to want to use a flavorless oil.
I moved away from non stick because no matter how meticulous you are about not damaging the coating, it will eventually start to crack and flake because that's what happens when you have two materials with different thermal expansion coefficients bonded together. I was tired of having to buy a new pan every couple years; it felt wasteful and I was tired of treating my pans like delicate flowers while cooking. I switched to SS and CS and it feels so good to be able to abuse my pans with stainless steel utensils like a proper home cook, knowing that they will last the rest of my life.
Yeah I can't be bothered to baby the pans any more. I just go to work with the chain mail on cast iron, carbon steel, and stainless steel
@@spacetoast7783 This was what I said when I throw out the last non stick I had. I did not want to baby my cookware anymore. Cast iron lasts forever and works just as well as non stick if you treat it right. I also got rid of as much plastic in my kitchen as I respectively could. Like stainless steel spatulas and the like, because metal just lasts longer.
Love the video and had a big laugh at the "coconut oil on the bedside table" bit. I have gone home with that person, and feel nostalgia any time I see coconut oil now. Great work, as always
is it for sex?
@@matteframe What do you think lmao
hey, it's cheaper than lube!
@@athens5664i use it for skin on skin contact personally
It's for sex
People look for any simple ingredient to blame everything on, and theyve done so for decades now. first it was sugar, then it was cholestrol in foods, then it was sugar again with low carbs, etc. You even see the same in different cultures. The truth is seed oils arent really harmfull. intake of it is just a roundabout way of measuring processed food intake, fried food and obesity. Its what the research reflects.
And no its not biased research, its easy to avoid biased research
For those who think paid/biased research is difficult to discern: ALL valid research have to state any monitary relationship with the one paying for the research. Even if they had any previous monitary relations with the researchers. This is in ALL researchpapers.
We also have research paid by factions who wants seed oils to be bad, showing it to be fine.
Reading the actual research makes it really easy to see if its good or not. Even when you only have an superficial understanding of reading reasearch
People believe whatever their feel like believing in at any random moment and then they cherry pick information to validate their choices.
Reason never entered the equation.
People crave to dominate and exert their authority over others by creating in groups and out groups regarding the most trivial things.
Self appointed intellectuals love to label anything and everyone to simplify their existence. When they inevitably get proven wrong by life itself, they seek out scapegoats and move on to the next convenient bandwagon.
msg really got slammed like it's not just salt's overgrown cousin
To be fair, if you had to cut out one thing from your diet to have the most positive effect, added refined sugar would be that.
Having served in the armed forces, whenever we were on high intensity maneuvers, we would pretty much live off sugar for that quick energy for half of the time, so please don't try and "educate" me. Sugar has it's place in a diet. However if you are an average person looking to eat better and cut off calories, just not using added sugar and limiting your sweets consumption will have the largest positive effect. (ignoring any abnormalities - yes if you're lactose intolerant and chugging full fat milk, cutting that off will probably be better, but that's not what I'm talking about)
@@AKKK1182 That's a fair mentality to possess. Progress, not perfection, to combat that analysis paralysis in this alternative facts age is a sensible way to move forward.
Kindness, understanding and cooperation is the way forward. Ego, arrogance and ignorance is the enemy.
I wish the internet was filled with more balanced and nuance discussion, but I guess it is what it is. It’s easy to fall into “health freak” rabbit holes when you don’t know any better, and like you allude to, there is always some truth to the discussion but it just goes to far and becomes “extreme”. This video hits for me because it is relevant beyond seed oils. I see parallel issues in other communities like gaming. Everything is sensationalized and the extremity of opinions is taken to the max. I can’t even say the new Naughty Dog trailer looks cool without being labeled a mindless consumer soy boy 💀. Thanks for the vid Net Shaq, you’re a real one
p.s. I hope my comment about seed oils you showcased in a video not too long ago was taken as sarcasm lol
the biggest recent net positive in my life by far has been to not engage with online discourse™ any more. videos like this give me an occasional glimpse into what is The Current Thing. fascinating.
I grew up raising chickens and I’ve been interested in how other people raise there chickens. The videos online have always gave me the “ick”. Homesteaders who hate on seed oils unfortunately tend to have an Alex jones conspiracy streak to them, and man, some of them love talking about how the government is after you and why sunscreen is bad, etc. I find it unfortunate because raising your own animals is really great. Canning and other forms of preservation are also really interesting and fun. And yeah, beef tallow tastes better than soybean oil. But it’s unfortunate that the weird opinions and beliefs of this people turn others off to, in my opinion, some really cool and fascinating stuff. Loved the video man!
seeds fall traditionally into 3 categories, protein , starch, oil. seedoil from oil seeds like rapeseed or sunflower is not an issue. it only gets an issue if it comes from other categories of seeds. Soybean oil is pretty horrible because they need to do alot of stuff to the seeds to extract the oil.
@Channel-gz9hm That was never definitively proven, yet you people keep acting as if it was
While I love olive oil for some cooking, I''ve always stuck to canola for most general cooking because of the higher smoke point and neutral flavor. When I recently started getting into deep frying, I realized that the peanut oil which is best for that is what I should've been using instead of canola all along.
man I fucking love peanut oil but I've been getting priced outta that shit these last couple years
I made the same switch years ago when I realized canola actually isn't neutral when heated near its smoke point, it adds a rancid fishy note that's actually pretty disgusting. Then when peanut started getting expensive, I found tallow (rendered from beef suet from the butcher, which is $2/lb for me in the upper midwest and yields about 80%) is cheaper, tastier, plenty neutral for frying fish and roasting veg etc, and can be reused more times in deep frying before it goes off. Unfortunately since then tallow has become a dumb culture war thing, it remains delicious and highly useful though.
@@northcoastcopper I miss the days when McDonald's used tallow for the fries. 🤤
@@michaelgeary9370 For me I think it turned out not to be as expensive as I thought it'd be. Walmart's Great Value brand is pretty cheap as peanut oil goes ($17/gallon).
@@michaelgeary9370 Walmart's house brand isn't' bad as peanut oil goes. About $17 a gal.
Talking about what works well for you, I have randomly started getting massive stomach pain, and IBS symptoms, went to the doctor who said to keep a Journal of everything I ate, then selectively eliminated what caused the issue, I was eating ramen so much because I knew that wasn't causing my issues.
Then one day where I just needed to eat I had Ramen and added some Broccoli to make it "healthier", BAMM I now know what has suddenly started causing my IBS. I have no idea why it started so quickly as I have always eaten lots of the stuff, but, when I went back through my food diary, there it was clear as day IBS symptoms within 24 hours of eating Broccoli.
The annoying thing is Broccoli was 50% of the veggies I ate, so now I miss, I need another Veggie, worried to try "green" veggies.
I'd try cauliflower if you haven't
If you haven't already, search low fodmap diets and specific find the types broccoli has. That should give you a decent idea of what foods might potentially trigger your IBS and which ones should not. You don't need to eliminate all of them, just a good place to start with the potentially most problematic.
Maybe after you are done with the elimination phase you can see if you can add back small amounts of broccoli progressively? Keep in mind that the broccoli stems are extremely fibrous and it's not the kind of fiber IBS bellies are good at handling. If you add it back to your diet then eat only the "flower"/ the upper part of it. For the time being you could see if you can eat "leafier" greens like kale, black cabbage and bok choy. They are often easier to handle for those with IBS.
But keep in mind that this doesn't mean that you can't eat broccoli again ever. I have IBS and I was sad when I thought I wouldn't be able to eat bread again. But after the elimination phase I started adding back small amounts of sourdough spelt bread. And now I am usually able to eat 2 regular small sandwiches a day without any stomach issues! The idea is to progressively start adding back higher fodmap ingredients in very small amounts after you have had the elimination phase and kept a food diary to see what causes pain for you. In the future you may be able to eat broccoli again
Maybe Brussels sprouts?
I find they've got a similar flavour and similar-ish texture if cooked well.
I mean it's all brassica all the way down for like half the veggies we eat, so it might be close enough that it just does the same thing.
But it could be worth a shot.
Great video. Can you do one where you cover how not to absolutely destroy your whole kitchen while cooking? This is another reason some folks find it difficult to cook at home.
yesss omg need
For myself, I find that cooking mise en place is one of the best ways to avoid destroying your kitchen. Chop and prepare all your ingredients, then wash everything up that you just used, and THEN begin cooking. Less shit to manage after
Honestly, the best cleaning pro tip I found was to clean in between your cooking
You got a minute in between where something is getting ready? Clear some dishes and containers, maybe wipe the counter a bit
Put things away when done using, so you got more space
Do not look at cleaning as some boring thing you always have to put off to later, when it will pile up and overwhelm you after you're done cooking
Planning + Try and take care of small dishes/utensils in the middle of cooking when you have time instead of just tossing them in the sink to take care of later.
He does have one, just search Internet Shaquille Cleaning
Shaq this is outrageous, I need the foodtuber I have a parasocial relationship with to force feed opinions of food safety to me
15:21 do NOT try to make carrot cakes out of anything other than carrots. in an act of sheer arrogance and inexperience, time I tried making carrot cake, but with beets, thinking that would make it red velvet cake. it was the foulest abomination I ever laid eyes upon, and it tasted even worse.
Funny enough there are a lot of delicious beet based cake recipies out there, but none of them are anything like carrot cake.
The amount of people in my age group, 20’s, who don’t know how to cook is staggering. Literally like 85% of people I’ve met are, somehow, shamefully proud (?) of not knowing how to cook, like they’ve just accepted that as fact of life or something? Drives me nuts. These same people are also the ones harping against seed oils now, as if that’s the main culprit of them being unhealthy. 🤷♀
reminds me of how the 40 year olds used to be proud of not exercising
While I personally haven't met epople who proudly admit they don't know how to cook, I also get so astonished when someone on the internet says that. Cooking is a basic life skill. It's like someone saying they don't know how to wipe their own ass! Ridiculous
So they don't know how to read?
In my mind, it's about personal choice. I cook 95% of my meals at home. I started in my early 20s. My older sister is the same. Meanwhile, my younger brother probably couldn't tell you the last time he cooked a meal. All raised by the same parents. But it's possible that my parents changed their parenting style as they got older. I remember a lot of home cooked meals but also a lot of fast food. It's possible that there was a trend toward fast food over time that my brother was the primary victim of. Either way, we all have the choice to cook at home, and it's probably cheaper too, despite what many say.
I honestly adore this calm video, with full disclosures that you're just a guy doing his thing online. Figuring out what works for YOU is a key thing. The note of every person's dietary needs being individual is VERY important.
From my perspective, it's hard enough to find things that my body will tolerate, due to a health condition my medical team and I are trying to figure out... I don't need other people fear-mongering me into avoiding (or not avoiding) something. My body does that enough, thank u...
I L O V E food, and thankfully I LOVE cooking, so I've gotten pretty steady at figuring out what works for me... And sometimes I DO partake in things that I KNOW are bad for me, because sometimes I just want something with a particular taste or texture. My choice, I know the likely outcome.
I think more folks should stop yelling so much and just focus on what works for them, but hey... A lot of folks get a thrill out of a long, noisy debate. Not for me, but to each their own!
The one "food group" that I've been convinced is harmful is ultra processed food by the argument that if a food can be advertised, the economic incentives push for the food to be designed in a way where you eat as much of that food as possible, so they drive unhealthy eating.
It's not about the contents/ingredients of the food, its the economics of it.
and this is why government should regulate stuff like that
@@wapniak666 Ironically this is why we're in the boat we're in given half of our food wouldn't even be allowed to be sold in the rest of the world. Though maybe less regulation and more lobbying and incentives is what is causing it.
@@wapniak666 which is what the government did. And it almost immediately became a pay-to-play scheme as any other public or private gatekeeping entity would have. It's going to be a constant battle in any regulatory situation, so we should never assume that whomever is doing the regulating is always on the level.
@@jurassicturtle3666 sounds like you have a really shitty government that is easily bribbed by corporations
Oh sorry I meant to say lobbied
Food is being engineered for maximum addictivity. Food addiction is real. They manipulate things with flavorings and additives. If you eat more they sell more. For example look up how Pepsi or Coke used fetal cells for this purpose. I’m literally not making this up.
I love that this general mindset can be applied to anything. Worry about yourself. Do what makes you happy. Do it yourself if it makes you worry less because you have more control. This applies to everything from food to furniture to home schooling. I guess just don't do healthcare at home... Maybe it doesn't apply to everything, but it has broader applications. Thanks for being rational and relatable!
You do such a good job of reasonably handling all the little snags in modern Internet discourse. Saving this so i can decontextualize it into a framework for discussing polarizing multifaceted controversies
Like a lot of people, I was against these oils for reasons I could not explain because I had no real reason to do so. Then I saw Mike Isratel talk about it, and he is quite honest about most subjects if not all. His take on it was mesured and straight to the point, i'm still going to use most peanut oil but not gonna feel bad for pulling out the vegetable oil when I make mayo anymore.
Mike Israetel is a liar and doesn't know anything. His opinions on fitness are irrelevant, as are his opinions on nutrition. He may be correct about something accidentally, but at least in the case of fitness, he has at some point held every possible opinion on how to train. My point being that you should not listen to anything he says because he doesn't believe what he spouts, seeing how often he changes opinions.
@AutisticAndBallistic if you're primarily informed by current scientific practice, it's natural that your opinions will change fairly regularly as new information is discovered
@@partylikeits1066 Oh please, his idea of "training" is just upping his dose. For bodybuilding his advice is worthless, it has been made clear by the fact he looks like shit every single time, like a bloated red bullflog, as well as how he has never even broken top 3 (might even be top 5). If he has no results he should not be giving out advice to millions of people.
Secondly, changing your every single opinion the moment a paper comes out just shows that you never really believed anything in the first place and were just spouting what you have been told. Which means your advice is worthless since you can never stand behind it. The guy has been working out for decades, he should be able to stand behind a specific method that he has, at some point, employed, that worked.
I appreciate your level head and your ability to hold a firm personal stance without taking others down with shame. Just being as objective as possible while conveying your own thoughts.
I applaud you for trying to stay out of online discourse, as you mentioned. Keep on keeping on,
Great video Shaq, now I’m gonna go watch Ordinary Sausage deep fry a whole stick of butter!
Thanks for encouraging home cooking. I have learned a lot from your teachings. The more cooking shows you watch the more you learn “the way”. The point of these shows is to learn techniques and learn how to substitute ingredients. But what ever you think is “healthy” and making food at home will give you power over your diet. Thanks internet Shaquille for your pickled onion recipe. I learning the techniques has allowed me to go to the farmers market and make pickled vegetables from what ever is in season.
I appreciate the well reasoned and nuanced video and we should really stop consuming so much processed food, when is the video with oils you recommend coming up?
By no means am I making a one-for-one comparison, BUT, this video presenred like Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan, and my takeaway from his book is almost exactly what your conclusion is. When we grow, process, and cook our own food, or at the least, cook our own food, we gain control over what goes into it. Excellent video, well presented, and grateful for how succinct and open you were!
Even when I don’t agree with you (and in this case I do mostly agree with you), I really enjoy hearing you lay out your arguments. Well done!
Sometimes I forget being poor isnt the baseline and then I hear an arguement like something being "too cheap"
This is anecdotal and personal and i fully acknowledge that. In india we do most of our cooking with ghee and butter (My family even makes our own ghee at home). But in the past few years there has been a huge mass adoption of seed oils and obesity rates have skyrocketed too. The local doctors i have talked to have always advised that using homemade or even store bought desi ghee is better for health than using seed oils like sunflower seed etc. And When i was on keto i felt better personally when using a mix of Olive oil, Ghee and butter than i did when using sunflower oil (what my family currently uses). I do however still use sesame oil or peanut oil from time to time just for taste in chinese dishes cuz it doesnt matter what diet you are on if your food doesn't taste good you won't stick to it.
Videos like this one are (part of) the reason why I follow your channel for so long. The level of trust you induce with this kind of attitude makes me more likely to take other advice from the same direction.
I loved this video! Thank for pointing out the difference between "my" and "a" healthcare professional. Any influencer spitting out generalised health adviced to the general internet is a red flag, even if its "science-based". Health is always holistic and often comes down to genetics rather than lifestyle choices. Insisting that every single person on earth would benefit from the same generic exclusion-focused diet is absolutely not the behaviour of a sane healthcare professional.
"I'm not telling you who to be mad at or how angry you should be." Oh, man, I can't tell you how much relief hearing that brought me. Just so soothing. Thank you.
Hahaha I appreciate you clowning on the chiropractor giving nutritional advice
As always, GREAT video. For me, personally, as a Brazilian person living in São Paulo, I literally ALWAYS go for the cheapest oil, which is always soybean. Any other seed oil is at least twice the price, other oils are something that I don't even know any person that can afford them. For me that's good enough, even though I try to avoid using bottled oil as much as I can by doing what you said about homecooks having access to rendered fat from other products like chicken and pork. That said, people who don't cook as much as me (because I cook as much as I do because I love doing it) could never take the time to do things like buying whole chicken legs, deboning to make stock and using leftover skin and fat to render it. And that's fine, as long as we don't judge people because they don't act like us. A friend recently told me a story about a trip he took to a very small village in the northeast of Brazil with his girlfriend and another couple, and the girl that was with them was a big city girl and a vegan (really not knocking on vegans here, but this specific person), and she made a scene in a local small restaurant because the local people were eating chicken! I mean, that's just insane. Respecting people's choices, even if you don't understand them, specially if it really doesn't do you any harm directly (guess what, everything could be traced back to something that harms you so yeah not a real reason) is completely insane for me. Anyways, great video again! Thank you for taking the time to share it
Shaq is on the money with this one. Great video brother! I fall under the more tinfoilly category, but I think it’s cause I’m radically repelling against the fruity pebble and lunchable diet I grew up on. I appreciate this focused, down to earth, individual approach to the topic!
Your mistake was assuming we are well adjusted
For metadata analyses and human-tested studies showing the safety of seed oils:
On Pubmed: "Dietary intake and biomarkers of linoleic acid and mortality", "Time-dependent effects of safflower oil to improve glycemia",
On AHA Circulation: "Biomarkers of Dietary Omega-6 Fatty Acids and Incident Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality", "Dietary Fats and Cardiovascular Disease"
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Bumping this, in today's information environment it's crucial to read sources like these to form opinions based on accurate information
Hell yeah! I was hoping you would make a video on this topic!! Happy Holidays to you and yours, Shaq!
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"A person can get healthy on any diet" Closed video and thumbs down.
Literally lol. I guess a diet of Oreos and McDonald’s fries is perfectly fine!
Good video bro, refreshing to watch a video about a "hot topic" where it is not clearly biased.
nothing makes my day more than an extended netshaq video
I have a similar belief with you, the dose makes the poison. When I can though, I do avoid vegetable oils. Although I do have a rationale that was not on your list. Their high concentration of polyunsaturated fats and complete disregard for the prevention of lipid peroxidation in manufacturing and packaging worries me greatly. Instead, the oils are deodorized so you just don't notice that they've gone rancid right out of the factory. The early vegetable oil products were known to smell bad for that reason.
That's a good point, and they still do smell bad after heating. I don't have any opinions on the health claims, nutrition science is famously not at all rigorous or reliable, but I think it might be a good idea to avoid food-like substances that need to be deodorized because humans naturally perceive them as disgusting otherwise.
"Every reason to avoid seed oils" yet doesn't mention all the research that links omega 6 fatty acids (the main constituent of seed oils) to inflammation and metabolic syndrome. And by the way, you can define seed oils as cooking oils with over 10% omega 6 fatty acids.
These are the kinds of takes I have been watching you for for so many years. Thank you for this high quality content.
I adore this video. It’s not “vintage Shaq” (he says himself that this used to be a channel about sandwiches he likes) but this is such a clinical examination of viewpoints, from the legitimate to the deranged.
Even if it doesn’t get as much traction, it’s delightful to hear a mature approach to bizarre culture war ideas.
I disagree so heavily with this stance on these cookies 7:07
There is no way in hell those cookies are lasting long enough to go stale.
I struggle so hard finding actual health advice. My cholesterol is a little high and the internet is laden with "Canola is better than butter" but it's so impossible to find reliable scientific information about their effects. And when you do, there's an equal study with the opposite results. Ack!
When it comes to health, finding the line where you can use the minimum amount of the bad stuff without sacrificing altogether feels like the best you can do
I think this is where tuning out the internet noise and talking to a medical professional is the best idea. No one can tell you whats going on with your genetics and diet like a doctor and a blood test.
i hear you, i am looking for a doctor that will actually listen to me and work with me to get healthy.
i wish we had more time to GET healthy. and then to find a regiment that can sustain that healthy while doing normal everyday stuff.
it is a full time job to get this done. in part because there is so little individualized support for it.
My doctor rules so at least that's a thing I don't struggle with lol
@@Andre-qo5ekThere are sensible people in some communities, you just have to make an effort to seek them out.
It is difficult work but considerably more convenient than doing everything yourself.
I have the gene that makes it so I can't break down cholesterol. I think we severely underestimate how diverse we are considering that we already know how diverse our gut microbiome can be and how certain nutrients help with absorption of others, certain people may never know they have a food allergy because it's not noticeable besides the occasional stomach ache and gas. Do your own testing, try eating foods you believe will be beneficial in lowering your cholesterol and get regular blood tests to see what works. For me olive oil has been good to me I use it in everything I cook for some people that might not be the case, humans are weird and very misunderstood
4:35 the people want to know: did you or did you not eat the $2 donuts
Did you watch the video? what do you think?
You are the most common sensed, realest, & well spoken home cooking advocate that exists on or off this platform.
You scared me with that title Shaq, I'm not going to lie haha. Another bullet-proof logical take as always, thank you for being a voice of reason in these trying times.
hahaha reason 10 on the list really spun me on my ass, i was raised jewish + eating kosher and we actually often would eat stuff with seed oils in it all the time (like the stuff you described as vegetable oils masquerading as dairy, these were often used as substitutes from having to separate meat and dairy and not being able to use dairy with meat stuff), wild
17:24 seconds of you being the most relatable food related UA-camr.
i think the biggest tip here is the coconut oil by the bedside table lmao
5:33 And this right here is why I value NetShaq and his normal-guy-ed-ness more than I value the opinions of a great many chefs or foodies - NetShaq knows there are different strokes from different folks. As a picky eater who might have ARFID and is still trying to grow out of it, your videos give me the confidence to try new things without making me feel stupid or inferior for not always succeeding when I try to broaden my horizons. Thank you NetShaq ❤ if you celebrate I hope you and the fam have some happy holidays
Edit: I trust you because you've never tried to sell me anything except a cool ass apron with a tea-towel strap and some cool pottery, and you're cool with me not buying it even though I'm watching your videos and learning about cooking (and buying groceries) for free 🤷♀I don't even like half the food you cook, but I can cook it thanks to you! ❤[sidenote not asking you to change your cuisine or anything like that!]
wow...what a super important nuanced deeo dive into so many topics in such a beautiful concise format free from condescension or over intellectualization. Great post. Def gonna need another watch or two in order to fully digest but I really appreciate the time and effort put into this so thank you! So true all of it...too bad not enough people will take the time necessary to fully absorb all the great info you have packed in here in less than 20 mins! kudos! ❤❤❤❤
hmm nice fair and balanced take, unfortunately for you all I heard was sneedoil, that you avoid seed oils and ultra processed food and so now I will extrapolate to the worst possible person you could be that is analogous to other extreme minority opinions of the undiagnosed on the internet.
Better is better, an improvement from something that is bad to something that is not as bad is an improvement. I'm glad every time I hear people voice the sentiment. Too much focus on "that thing isn't 100% ideal so it is evil." Thanks for the video.
Perfect is the enemy of Good
I find it shameful that in the current world almost 50% of a 17 minute video has to be spent pre-snuffing the inevitable outrage everybody feels over fucking everything.
I'm two years into cooking most meals at home. Other than 2-3 times a month I may pick something up or go out with someone I cook and eat everything else at home. Not by choice, but by preference and cost savings. I appreciate and enjoy your content, mentality, and opinions. Keep it up.
great video. the awareness of what’s in your food + home cooking is probably the best you can do for health.
quit alcohol, sugar & refined oils / grains a couple months ago and have been cooking way more at home and the healthiest i’ve ever been at 36yo
A 17 minute Internet Shaquille video? Christmas came a little early.
I’ve spent the past few months avoiding seed oils, taking my points from a channel called “What I’ve learned”, claiming that it’s been making is dumber. I’ve not become any smarter, but have lost a good amount of weight, become more confident and even taken on bike riding.
But, I’ve started having a bit more recently. I completely stopped Mayonnaise and my food was always dry, encouraging me to learn how to cook well. It’s only been a few months, but I’ve changed my opinion to the dose makes the poison. Just like paracetamol, a bit won’t do anything, 8 tablets will send you to the hospital with a failing liver.
I also, need to take a break from the internet.
Oil has a lot of calories. I lost weight (and kept it off) through calorie counting, and having minimal amounts of things like oil and mayo is important because they’re SO calorie dense.
#10 went crazy, but what's even crazier is the fact that there are possibly near a million Americans who would hear you say this and go, "Yes! True!"
There's one pinned to the top of the comments 🙃
A million? It seems like there’s a lot more than that
It much less than a million, you just only hear of the crazies
Hard to know how many, but there are a lot that would believe something like that. Though, that is more crazy than believing the world flooded so maybe not.
I want to force every person I've ever met to watch this video. You've done a wonderful job advocating for at-home cooking, media literacy and critical thinking all in one video. Bravo, and thank you