@@GodlessGranny Wandering around UA-cam as I do, I watched Genetically Modified Skeptic's "Arguments for God are NOT important." a little earlier (Drew pulls Cosmic Skeptic in at one point). GMS makes a masterful presentation that "feels" right. If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend it. If such recommendations are indecorous to you, tell me to buzz off, please. Thanks, GG.
12:08 the point is to show that Alex uses metaphysical ideas and terms without sufficiently justifying them showing how he doesn't question his own presuppositions and instead just assumes things such as the 'self' and the laws of logic actually exist without providing epistemic justification.
I do love The Cosmic Skeptic, but I love your channel as well. Your humor is warmer somehow, and your topics are more relatable to my daily life, so please give yourself credit!
There is a quote that makes me think of Kyle. "All we can do is to laugh as we gaze at this spectacle, for one cannot help laughing when one sees a man fighting his own imagination, smashing his own inventions, while at the same time heatedly asserting that he is smashing his opponent."
I'm not sure it's fair to call Kyle a liar. Ignorant, stupid, and prone to getting the wrong end of the stick and then beating about the bush with it, yes. But not deliberately telling untruths. Just not listening very closely, and verifying what he thinks he heard, before diving into unnecessary and lengthy mocking of something he misheard.
@@Rei-Rei How much have you seen of Kyle ? He has been corrected and educated many many times by many many people. I'm convinced he deliberately lies and deceives. Kyle does not want to understand others.
@@cpt.kimintuitiondemon I think I saw Logicked take apart one of his videos, but he's not someone whose content I'd look for. If he can mock that hard about stuff he knows he's lying about then I have even less interest in him.
@@Rei-Rei well like this is one of his early videos he gets good overtime. Like he kinda did good on the creakyblinder and sir sic parts. And like one of his evolution debate like it's not really on yt is actually pretty good points
I've seen a few other people discuss Kyle's rants in videos. It's clear that he wants so badly to get people to think like he does, to think the "right way", but he just comes off as a spoiled adolescent who can't get their own way and doesn't understand why. Just like in this video, he hears only bits of what is said, then goes off without giving any thought to what he wants to say. He can't address any actual points because he hasn't heard any of the points he might address. It's obvious to me that he just searches for "atheist" on UA-cam , then starts ranting at the first thing he sees. Sees, not hears, sees. He doesn't seem to need to see anything but the word "atheist" to get him going.
It's just a thought without any evidence, but I can imagine Kyle is being trained by an apologist whom he trusts and to whom he does apply any er...scepticism.
@@Maucar0 What do you mean? I know what ad hock means, but what are you referring to? I did not make a definite claim to truth. I only said what it looked like to me. If that's the problem, then everything we observe and form ideas about is as hock. I did not say that this is what happened. I'm only saying what it could possibly be according to my observations and the deductions I have made with them.
@ yes you are making claims of truth. When you use words that presupposes the self, the mind, meaning of words, logic,truth….Please be more skeptical. Now the original comment is dumb because it’s literally just insulting him and his character you show no actual examples other than the one in the video that I admit he missed. Alex was talking about who is a real skeptic it’s not about asking important questions but about the little questions. Now I will say that what counts as a big or small question is subjective and doesn’t tell me exactly what type of questions we should be skeptical about. And another “should be skeptical “ based on what? That presupposes that we should do things, that things in this world matter when according to Alex worldview is meaningless because he lives in a desteleological universe.
I'm so thankful I started following this account. Not only do I get skepticism, but humility and grace when dealing with someone who's fundamentally wrongheaded, and lacking said humility and grace. (Kyle, of course, not Alex) Definitely a role model for me. Also, I got a good tip about some fun music from well before I was born. I love me some Parliament, and Joe Tex seems to be a short walk away from them. Thanks for that too!
I recently discovered your channel and have been binge watching. Please don't disparage yourself. You are smart, have a classy way of discussing things, and have guts. Thank you for your videos.
Also my immediate reaction. Do not disparage yourself, please. I admire Alex but often struggle to understand what he is trying to communicate. I find "Granny" to be articulate and exceptionally clear about what she means. It is a joy to listen to hear her explication on free will.
16:10 "it should go without saying" THATS KYLES ENTIRE ARGUMENT 😂 by blindly asserting that anything just goes without saying lacks justification. You are using Christian ethics and morals to justify your worldview. Furthermore Kyle asks the questions because KYLE HAS GOD TO JUSTIFY HIS POSITIONS while the atheist has nothing. You keep missing the metalogical argument
Using God to justify one's position is nothing special. Billions do so with their own gods, furthermore, there's no ''Christian worldview'' that exists. Not with a religion consisting of more than 45,000 denominations.
How Humans are intelligent social animals even Chimps do what's best for their social group. Humans are the most rational animals and possess empathy which even rats and cats have that's why tearing someone's face is fine for Chimps because they don't know and can't know better. Humans can also learn from the past generation there was actually a study done showing each new generation of humans are smarter than the last because Humans have the ability to change themselves they can learn from the history of their past generations and what to do and what not to do. Like Pedophilla women opression homophobia etc If Anything Christianity steals it's morals from Humainty it says nothing against dating a child it supports forcing people to stay in a marriage no matter how terrible as long as their partner doesn't cheat it supports killing homosexuals it supports murdering kids who step out of line and people who aren't working on Sunday. Then each Generation of new Christians try to convince themselves that it was mistranslated a rule a metaphor or demonize the victim to make it look like they had it coming that only applied to the Isralites and doesn't mean anything different times and culture only works with humans not an all powerful all knowing God who has repeatedly stated that he would never change any words or rules in his book. Plus Christianity requires you to justify awful things Watch Pinecreeks debate with Kyle. Yeah I know he likes to scream about how nobody is brave to engage in an argument with him but he never posted any of his debates espically with Pinecreeks. Really watch that
'Rights' are granted by us. There's no such thing as an objective 'right' independent of our conceptualisation, and we are definitely not intrinsically owed anything based on the fact that we and other conscious life-forms generally prefer certain aspects of our existence.
Very good dissection of Kyle's rant. I am a bit aghast that Kyle has studied enough philosophy to make the references he does, and yet conflates free will with simply making choices, and worse, assumes Alex has the same simplistic concept of free will as him. I will admit I am not conversant with all the variant definitions of free will, but I at least know there are variations, and that the topic is not so simple as Kyle implies. I kind of wish more apologists were more precise and meaningful when they bring up free will philosophy / theology. Especially considering the profound implications to their faith.
Someone will probably respond with Alex's height before I can find the picture of myself standing next to him. He is tall but I would say not over 6 ft. Maybe 5:10
C.S. Lewis writes that “we know much more about heaven than hell, for heaven is the home of humanity.” The Screwtape Letters and The Great Divorce vividly illustrate the meaning of this statement, as Lewis shows that heaven was prepared for humans to become most fully themselves, while hell is a place for those who have abolished their humanity.
This guy reminds me of who i was at about 8th grade. Intelligent but arrogant, and having to be a know-it-all and thinking tthat is impressive. Part of maturing is that you realize you don't know everything. I looked around one day and couldn't understand why nobody wanted to be around me. Then I got my ass handed to me and got some humility by being humiliated in front of everyone. I am thankful for that day because it forced me to mature. Hopefully this guy does to. He seems young.
@@GodlessGranny Well, if you are open to reading a fantastic short story, I insist on Paul Gallico's "The Snow Goose." I am presently insisting everyone read it. It is an old story, but unforgettable. Note that you should always take literary advice from an unknown internet dork, such as I. The great Kurt Vonnegut once said that anyone who never read "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" was a Twerp. That is how I feel about "The Snow Goose." Granny, you don't wish to be thought of as a twerp, do you?
We are human, we value the members of our species because that's how being a social animal works, but we mean barely anything to a bear that would maul us for food, we're valuable to other humans but that doesn't mean we have some sort of transcendant property of "value"
@@FosterDuncan1 survival of the fittest to survive, as long as you don't die and reproduce you're doing good in that matter, it's not about physical fitness, and it's a species-wise phenomenon so we're talking about the whole human species, which does indeed survive and reproduce, and since we're all part of the same species that we all want to survive we value the members of the human species, so we can survive better together as a society, which also is working out for us, misunderstanding a biological term isn't a "gotcha", it just makes you look ignorant.
Hello godless granny. I'm really glad to have found your channel and I truly enjoy your content. I sure hope some of his obviously lost followers find their way to you.
While, we might end up using entirely different words, I expect a deterministic justice system would still work in much the same way a free will system works.
I think rehabilitation rather than punishment will be the key goal. Convince anyone here in AL that criminals don't need punishment is a steep hill to climb though.
@@GodlessGranny One wonders if they get that idea from Christianity or that's the reason they inject it into the religion. What does science tell us about how to rehabilitate that way of thinking?
Your channel definitely deserves more love. Cosmic Skeptic and Rationality Rules are both capable of twisting my brain into knots, but I enjoy their content nonetheless. Might be the latent masochist in me.
Is Kyle so ignorant as to think lack of free will means behavior can't be changed? Has he never heard of programming, specifically machine learning and AI?
Before watching the video, this is my prediction: He's not a skeptic because a real skeptic would make no assumptions and question everything, including existence, reality, their own cogitation etc, and so a real skeptic can't know anything. Since he claims he does know something, he is not a real skeptic. Rounds of applause all around. This is kinda the standard playbook of theists on skepticism, let's see if he sticks to the script. edit: Few minutes in and nope. It's just a quote miner
Biggest point I could argue against that that being in good health is not good because it's better for society. My purpose in life is not to improve productivity.
@@GodlessGranny oh yea it wasn't like i got the feeling you meant it in a bad "your only value is what you provide to others" kind of way, merely that i though the wording wasn't ideal.
That was actually a bit painful to complete. I applaud your patience. I added further self-insult by sampling the original, and it's truly as awful as it appeared here; obnoxious commentary for middle-schoolers. Very low-hanging and unripe fruit, but Kyle seems to have acquired like-minded commenters in a sufficiently disturbing number. I hope he watches your video and regards it seriously: he IS a twerp and OUGHT not to be to such a degree. (22 years old?! ...) I did award his own posting a "dislike" to discourage the almighty algorithm.
Why should she debate someone who doesn’t actually believe in the things he says? How can god both violate logic and not violate logic which dyer has claimed?
Another big problem. When you say "the choices we make are determined before we think about them" you are mixing several things without knowing it. It is true that a lot of choices we make are totally instinctive or strongly influenced by instinct. Most of the time we breathe without a conscious thought and might not even notice that we decided to breathe. And when you play tennis, for example, if you think, you lose. If you think about where to put your feet, when to start swinging your racket, how much top spin you want to give to the ball, to name just a few decisions you must make, your opponent is already in his car, on his way to his home and you have not yet started to swing. Those are the kinds of thoughts you are talking about. But when I decide to put bullets in my gun, drive to my dad's home, open the door with the key that I stole, and put an end to my dad's life, every single thought in this process is different from the ones in the study you mentioned. The one choice that happens before I think about it is in the fraction of a second when I pull the trigger.
On an otherwise great video, I have to protest one bit. Depending on the definition of free will, Alex and Stephen and Sam Harris might be making a sound philosophical point or not. But when they jump into the justice system they are changing the definition of free will in a bait-and-switch operation that fools many, maybe even themselves. There is a philosophical notion that if we could place each atom and wave in the same place, velocity and spin as they are in my room right now, then I would write this same post exactly as I am writing it now, and therefore the capacity to take a different decision when the situation is exactly reproduced does not exist, and the free will that is implied in the example above does not exist. But the experiment above is impossible, so it is unfalsifiable, and will forever be mental masturbation. The free will that is implied in our justice system is different and we have falsifiable experiments that show that punishing some egregious acts does change society for the better. Just as porn, the free will that stopped me from becoming an alcoholic and keeps Elizabeth Holmes trying to concoct the next scam after Theranos, is impossible to define but I know it when I see it.
I agree Kyle does misinterpret what Cosmic Skeptic is saying about being a skeptic on the small things as well as the big things. I think Kyle's implicit point is that the point of being healthy (from his point of view) is that, to put it simply, God says we should look after our health. And because as an atheist, Cosmic Skeptic doesn't have a god telling him to look after his health, from Kyle's point of view, Cosmic Skeptic looking after his own health is pointless, then. I would think that Kyle's point of view would be that it doesn't matter that they both agree that looking after your own health is good, what matters to Kyle is the reason behind that conclusion. "No one alive today, to my knowledge, has ever heard your god say anything. The only way one could get morality from your god, is from your holy book..." My parents and brother have heard from God about morality. I am suprised that no Christians have told you that they have heard from God about morality, not only from the bible, but directly to their minds (and in some cases audibly). We may not be able to forcibly reprogram people so that they do not commit crimes (and I think it would be a moral violation if we did), but we can help criminals who choose to, to "reprogram" themselves. Unfortunately, from what I can tell, jail/prison is usually used to punish people, if anything giving them an environmemt where they can learn to be more criminal, rather that giving criminals the opportunity to reprogram themselves. My impression is that we can make choices, but we are not totally free to make any choices, due to genetics and environment (and limitations of our mind and reality.) If we had completely free choice, with no biases predisposing us to certain choices over others, then we wouldn't have any personalities/all have the same personality. A person may not be able to directly change what they believe, or change what they believe instantly, but people can change what they believe. Otherwise Cognitive Behavioural Therapy wouldn't work at all. It is premised on being able to change what we think (and thus believe.) Also, Kyle can choose not to "believe in Atheism" but continue to believe what he currently does, by refusing to be open to changing his mind on the topic and only approaching the topic with a closed mind. The studies show that we don't make decisions on the spot with our concious mind. But we do make the choice with our unconcious mind (which after a small amount of time informs our concious mind of what it decided). And our concious mind is able to change our unconcious mind (eg CBT), at least over the long term.
I'm well aware of Christians claiming to hear from god. I did it myself. But no one can know that it is really god talking & not their own thoughts, no matter how much they believe otherwise. If it really were god talking, they should be able to hear new information from god. Yet they never do. God reminds them of something, or brings a bible verse to mind. That isn't god. That's their own thoughts, which they attribute to god. There are brain imaging studies that back this up. The region of the brain used to hear another person differs from the one that hears our own thoughts. People were monitored while praying & research found when they "heard god," the region of the brain used was hearing yourself, not another person. Until a god can be demonstrated or a falsifiable claim of hearing god borne out, I stand by no one I know of has heard from god. They only claim to.
is-ought problem isn't even an argument against moral realism. nobody reduces morality to 'is' because that would be utterly uninformative. if we got ought from is we'd have to say that everything that happens is moral. nobody says that (though theism entails it), and it would make moral reasoning and judgment redundant.
Kyle uses pre-suppositionalist apologetics, and is complaining about the is-ought problem. The lack of self-awareness is deep in this one. Not only that, but the dishonest editing, cherry picking, quote mining, and sowing of discord goes against the book that he purports to follow. Kyle is a special cookie.
Presupposionalist apologetics are perfectly viable, as well as drawing attention to the is-ought problem. However, you haven't actually provided an argument.
@@LaRevolution0 Frankly, I made the comment a year ago and my patience for presuppositional apologetics has decreased since then. This form of apologetics generally assumes the correctness of their position without considering that they have no way of confirming their arguments. That is to say, the argument may be valid, but they do not prove the soundness. Not only that, but the attempt to avoid proving soundness take the form of bluster and hostility. Therefore, I file it under word games that apologists play when they cannot demonstrate the truth of their beliefs. The emperor has no clothes.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing Presupp apologetics does confirm its arguments by the impossibility of the contrary. Atheism leads to nihilism and nothing matters in a world without God because it’s all relative.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing Because presup apologetics is an immediate iq test to eliminate from the outset everybody mediocre and under. It's the litmus test of mediocre and under immediately being canceled. And it does prove soundness via the impossibility of the contrary. Why should an atheist care about someone demonstrating the truth of their beliefs when the atheist world view is already a self-refuting, nihilistic, catastrophe? Do atheists do anything else besides being arbitrary and ad hoc?
skepticism is a philosophy. You even agree that not all skeptics are atheist, but Kyle is being very skeptical of cosmic but i don't see you calling Kyle a skeptic. Same thing with Aquinas tell me what makes Aquinas not a skeptic?
You missed the point as a Skeptic you have to be skeptical of most if not everything like your religion or lack of religion your behavior and health and how it affects you and others. Kyle isn't even Skeptical of Cosmic Skeptic or the other atheists he just looks but he doesn't listen he is absolutely sure he is right and has never changed or learned when he was wrong in any of his videos somebody could break it down clear for him just using deciptful editing and jumping at the first thing that confirms what he wants to hear whining over the same point claiming someone uses an emotional appeal or how atheists can't do anything without a telescope and reminding everyone he is an atheist. Cosmic Skeptic has considered the other side he even took Thelogy to get closer to God he has debated against people like Dawkins and tried to rebut Hitchens as an Apolgist. He even debunked himself Kyle never changes just repats the same points despite already going into a debate with PineCreeks and getting his ass whipped(He never posted that on his Channel you should watch it)
Our justice system needs rethinking whether you're a prison abolitionist or not. It simply doesn't achieve it's stated goal, in fact, it achieves the opposite. It actually increases crime and incarceration. Personally, I am a prison abolitionist. We know that positive reinforcement and therapy work better than punishment. I'm not saying that dangerous, antisocial people should be allowed to roam free but, they shouldn't experience anguish. Two wrongs don't make a right.
It is... So sad religion, and even more apologetics, ruined Kyle's abilities to understand, question and then come to a conclusion. At first I deemed him an idiot, now he gives more the vibe of having been awfully twisted. Example of the lack of free will at the end : Kyle can't accept the lack of free will because it would turn the god he believes in into a moral monster, he is not free to believe this before he pinpoints the pavlovian programmation that his religious beliefs brings.
I'll be surprised if ever I find a "theist" "apologist" who does not misrepresent the opposition, and in most cases even their own position. Lying, deception, misdirection, misinformation seem to be the main tools of religious "defenders of the faith".
I generally enjoy Alex's content, but suggesting a true skeptic applies skepticism to every day life is a no true Scotsman fallacy. I'm not sure why, but when it comes to veganism, he overlooks basic logical concepts.
Stop right there. I doubt anyone has superior reasoning powers than you, not Cosmic Skeptic, not anyone else in the atheist community. Your videos are are thorough and water tight (not to mention entertaining and understandable). What you packed for the first 40 years was access. Kids today have access to all of human knowledge in the palms of their hands. Your timeline is only proof of that, not anything to do with what's between your ears.
Yeah. Now he's gatekeeping skepticism. Why is Alex O'Connor the arbiter of who is a "true skeptic"? He's just judgemental and supercilious. Can't stand his content. He is very intelligent but, not old enough to realize that his conclusions are not some "universal truth".
@@i.m.watching5536 It seems as if you believe in the angry, war, jealous, vicious, vindictive bearded, old dude sitting on the clouds. Cool. Yes, you're on to something... humanity has progressed so much in +2,000 years of Christianity.😆🙃🤔👀
@@i.m.watching5536 Just curious, do you even know the difference between Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus? Oh wait, did you even know that the Bible was translated from Hebrew, but the translators didn't really have a clear copy to translate from, and 2 out of the 3 Hebrew translators died before they were finished, and from this Hebrew it was translated into Latin, but Martin Luther put his protestant slant into the translation, and oh, from the Latin it was then translated into Greek, which the Greek translators had to keep with the rulers' biases and narratives or they would get into trouble ...and wait, from the Greek it was then translated into English. Hmm, you do know the Bible wasn't written in English, right?
@@SymphonicusMetal You... you actually think like Kyle? And you think his arguments are good? They're valid arguments, in the sense that they *are* arguments, but... He was literally acting like a freakin' child. That is so absurd, it is literally inconceivable that he could ever be taken seriously. May not be his last name, but much like another apologist who goes by the name "Kyle"... He makes himself the 'Butt' of the joke.
@@SymphonicusMetal Oh hey, you actually guessed the canonical age of my main fursona, Switchie! He's 37 years old~ His closest friend, and my other 'sona, Cubie; She's canonically 24 years old~ Though I myself am 21, turning 22 this August~
You are the one who missed the point. Kyle was using that sentence from that clip to make his argument about Alex's supposed non-skepticism in relation to "meta level" questions. They are not leading a debate. Kyle doesn't have to perfectly represent Alex's standpoint and argument to say something about the aforementioned topic. This pragmatism throughout your video is quite frankly insufferable, and when you say that since Kyle's description of the argument isn't 100% accurate (maybe not even 50%) you can disregard his questions about the atheist's "skepticism" , you are, arrogantly so, escaping from the question and problem he proposes. I guess since your mind can't deal with the fact that you don't have a sufficient answer to the problem, you look for the smallest details to calm yourself down.
@@simonubovic6209'' I guess since your mind can't deal with the fact that you don't have a sufficient answer to the problem, you look for the smallest details to calm yourself down.'' Completely unjustified jump in logic. I'm not even gonna blame your faith or denomination, cause they're Christians who actually think
An atheist granny that is still breathing and wasting so much energy on the pointless activity(obvious natural conclusion from an atheist pov) of criticizing christianity, is indeed super cringe.
Thats because you and granny are giving alex way to much charity to the point where you would intentionally lie about alex's points make it look like he's making stronger arguments.
The Bible is not a straightforward historical record. It consists of many different books and many genres. Much of it should not be interpreted literally.
So which parts of the bible should be taken as literal and which parts should be metaphors, and how many Christians agree with you? See why religions and their books are problematic? Anyone can interpret them however they want.
@@Vhlathanosh well Kyle and I are orthodox so we believe it's up to the authorities of the church to decide through councils and saints. We believe sola scripta is heretical so your own interpretation of scripture is false unless it alined with the church
@@Vhlathanosh That could be asserted towards denominations that practice sola scriptura, like mainline protestantism. Orthodoxy, however, has normative authority in the apostolic church which compiled the bible in the first place. Jesus left us a church which gave us the bible as a liturgical instrument, therefore the interpretation of the church is the correct one.
If I were to be uncharitable, I would say that he didn't miss the point, he impaled himself on it.
Lol
@@GodlessGranny Wandering around UA-cam as I do, I watched
Genetically Modified Skeptic's "Arguments for God are NOT important."
a little earlier (Drew pulls Cosmic Skeptic in at one point). GMS makes
a masterful presentation that "feels" right. If you haven't watched it
yet, I highly recommend it. If such recommendations are indecorous to
you, tell me to buzz off, please. Thanks, GG.
That, or he focused in on it too much that he literally poked his eyes out on it-
12:08 the point is to show that Alex uses metaphysical ideas and terms without sufficiently justifying them showing how he doesn't question his own presuppositions and instead just assumes things such as the 'self' and the laws of logic actually exist without providing epistemic justification.
My new fan theory is that she is Alex's actual grandma.
Awe thats adorable!
Hilarious that this video is still up after 2 months. I guess they stopped teaching "comprehension" in schools after I left.
I do love The Cosmic Skeptic, but I love
your channel as well. Your humor is warmer somehow, and your topics are more relatable to my daily life, so please give yourself credit!
There is a quote that makes me think of Kyle.
"All we can do is to laugh as we gaze at this spectacle, for one cannot help laughing when one sees a man fighting his own imagination, smashing his own inventions, while at the same time heatedly asserting that he is smashing his opponent."
Kyle has been a horrible deceiving liar 🤣 thnx for calling him out!
Son of liar?
I'm not sure it's fair to call Kyle a liar. Ignorant, stupid, and prone to getting the wrong end of the stick and then beating about the bush with it, yes. But not deliberately telling untruths. Just not listening very closely, and verifying what he thinks he heard, before diving into unnecessary and lengthy mocking of something he misheard.
@@Rei-Rei
How much have you seen of Kyle ?
He has been corrected and educated many many times by many many people.
I'm convinced he deliberately lies and deceives.
Kyle does not want to understand others.
@@cpt.kimintuitiondemon I think I saw Logicked take apart one of his videos, but he's not someone whose content I'd look for. If he can mock that hard about stuff he knows he's lying about then I have even less interest in him.
@@Rei-Rei well like this is one of his early videos he gets good overtime. Like he kinda did good on the creakyblinder and sir sic parts. And like one of his evolution debate like it's not really on yt is actually pretty good points
I recognize Kyle from his appearance on Pinecreek!
That was classic
I've seen a few other people discuss Kyle's rants in videos. It's clear that he wants so badly to get people to think like he does, to think the "right way", but he just comes off as a spoiled adolescent who can't get their own way and doesn't understand why. Just like in this video, he hears only bits of what is said, then goes off without giving any thought to what he wants to say. He can't address any actual points because he hasn't heard any of the points he might address. It's obvious to me that he just searches for "atheist" on UA-cam , then starts ranting at the first thing he sees. Sees, not hears, sees. He doesn't seem to need to see anything but the word "atheist" to get him going.
It's just a thought without any evidence, but I can imagine Kyle is being trained by an apologist whom he trusts and to whom he does apply any er...scepticism.
He looks but he does not see. He listens but he does not hear
Ad hock
@@Maucar0 What do you mean? I know what ad hock means, but what are you referring to? I did not make a definite claim to truth. I only said what it looked like to me. If that's the problem, then everything we observe and form ideas about is as hock. I did not say that this is what happened. I'm only saying what it could possibly be according to my observations and the deductions I have made with them.
@ yes you are making claims of truth. When you use words that presupposes the self, the mind, meaning of words, logic,truth….Please be more skeptical. Now the original comment is dumb because it’s literally just insulting him and his character you show no actual examples other than the one in the video that I admit he missed. Alex was talking about who is a real skeptic it’s not about asking important questions but about the little questions. Now I will say that what counts as a big or small question is subjective and doesn’t tell me exactly what type of questions we should be skeptical about. And another “should be skeptical “ based on what? That presupposes that we should do things, that things in this world matter when according to Alex worldview is meaningless because he lives in a desteleological universe.
I'm so thankful I started following this account. Not only do I get skepticism, but humility and grace when dealing with someone who's fundamentally wrongheaded, and lacking said humility and grace. (Kyle, of course, not Alex) Definitely a role model for me.
Also, I got a good tip about some fun music from well before I was born. I love me some Parliament, and Joe Tex seems to be a short walk away from them. Thanks for that too!
I recently discovered your channel and have been binge watching.
Please don't disparage yourself. You are smart, have a classy way of discussing things, and have guts.
Thank you for your videos.
Also my immediate reaction. Do not disparage yourself, please. I admire Alex but often struggle to understand what he is trying to communicate. I find "Granny" to be articulate and exceptionally clear about what she means. It is a joy to listen to hear her explication on free will.
“There is a healthy level of skepticism that anyone can have that questions your assumptions". as long as they do not go against "MY BELIEF.
16:10 "it should go without saying" THATS KYLES ENTIRE ARGUMENT 😂 by blindly asserting that anything just goes without saying lacks justification. You are using Christian ethics and morals to justify your worldview. Furthermore Kyle asks the questions because KYLE HAS GOD TO JUSTIFY HIS POSITIONS while the atheist has nothing. You keep missing the metalogical argument
Using God to justify one's position is nothing special. Billions do so with their own gods, furthermore, there's no ''Christian worldview'' that exists. Not with a religion consisting of more than 45,000 denominations.
How Humans are intelligent social animals even Chimps do what's best for their social group. Humans are the most rational animals and possess empathy which even rats and cats have that's why tearing someone's face is fine for Chimps because they don't know and can't know better. Humans can also learn from the past generation there was actually a study done showing each new generation of humans are smarter than the last because Humans have the ability to change themselves they can learn from the history of their past generations and what to do and what not to do. Like Pedophilla women opression homophobia etc
If Anything Christianity steals it's morals from Humainty it says nothing against dating a child it supports forcing people to stay in a marriage no matter how terrible as long as their partner doesn't cheat it supports killing homosexuals it supports murdering kids who step out of line and people who aren't working on Sunday. Then each Generation of new Christians try to convince themselves that it was mistranslated a rule a metaphor or demonize the victim to make it look like they had it coming that only applied to the Isralites and doesn't mean anything different times and culture only works with humans not an all powerful all knowing God who has repeatedly stated that he would never change any words or rules in his book. Plus Christianity requires you to justify awful things
Watch Pinecreeks debate with Kyle. Yeah I know he likes to scream about how nobody is brave to engage in an argument with him but he never posted any of his debates espically with Pinecreeks. Really watch that
Love the intro already. You are hilariously astute 😆 💙
Outstanding, as usual.
Thanks again!
'Rights' are granted by us. There's no such thing as an objective 'right' independent of our conceptualisation, and we are definitely not intrinsically owed anything based on the fact that we and other conscious life-forms generally prefer certain aspects of our existence.
Very good dissection of Kyle's rant.
I am a bit aghast that Kyle has studied enough philosophy to make the references he does, and yet conflates free will with simply making choices, and worse, assumes Alex has the same simplistic concept of free will as him. I will admit I am not conversant with all the variant definitions of free will, but I at least know there are variations, and that the topic is not so simple as Kyle implies.
I kind of wish more apologists were more precise and meaningful when they bring up free will philosophy / theology. Especially considering the profound implications to their faith.
real christians (augustinians/calvinists) don't even believe in free will lol
I bet Alex would love to work with you, Granny!!
Someone will probably respond with Alex's height before I can find the picture of myself standing next to him. He is tall but I would say not over 6 ft. Maybe 5:10
Thanks. So the 5'11 site was probably right. So you have met Alex? Way cool!
Kyle: "Nothing really matters, anyone can..."
C.S. Lewis writes that “we know much more about heaven than hell, for heaven is the home of humanity.” The Screwtape Letters and The Great Divorce vividly illustrate the meaning of this statement, as Lewis shows that heaven was prepared for humans to become most fully themselves, while hell is a place for those who have abolished their humanity.
*“Thorough skeptic”*
Is a slightly more useful phrase than “true skeptic,” which implies that skepticism is a binary, not a gradient
Your content is every bit as good as Alex's.
Wow! Thank you!
@@GodlessGranny Just saying it as I see it, Alex certainly has the intellect to see what's false, but I think you have the wisdom to see what's true.
I agree with you.
God you is good and the devil is evil@@GodlessGranny
Oh Kyle, thanks for the great example of only listening to get a chance for a comeback
Subscribed Granny for your humility and awesome video response.
Eternally online Ortho Bros - Jay Dyer fan club has got to be some of the most annoying sophist ever.
How
@@Alektoum because Jay et al cannot be defeated in debate
Got any examples?
@@GopnikVladThat’s Jay after has never committed to believe in anything consistent, you can’t fight any enemy that doesn’t exist.
kyle sounds like hid adhd meds have worn off
"why does our health matter" oh my God i am going to jump off a pier.
I mean it's a legitimate question WHY does it matter
@@xSAINTPERKx "I-it just does, okay?!!"
@@mr.dingleberry4882 thought we were supposed to justify our beliefs?
@@FosterDuncan1 Indeed, which is why I put that sentence in quotations. I was mocking the original comment.
And then you proceed to not answer the question... Lol
This guy reminds me of who i was at about 8th grade. Intelligent but arrogant, and having to be a know-it-all and thinking tthat is impressive. Part of maturing is that you realize you don't know everything. I looked around one day and couldn't understand why nobody wanted to be around me. Then I got my ass handed to me and got some humility by being humiliated in front of everyone. I am thankful for that day because it forced me to mature. Hopefully this guy does to. He seems young.
Well Granny, it looks as though you have books shelved behind you. Are there any novels that particularly resonate with you?
The books behind me are my husbands. Mine are in a different room. But as for novels, I love Michael Connelly.
@@GodlessGranny Well, if you are open to reading a fantastic short story, I insist on Paul Gallico's "The Snow Goose." I am presently insisting everyone read it. It is an old story, but unforgettable. Note that you should always take literary advice from an unknown internet dork, such as I.
The great Kurt Vonnegut once said that anyone who never read "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" was a Twerp. That is how I feel about "The Snow Goose." Granny, you don't wish to be thought of as a twerp, do you?
Why do humans have inherit value
Cuz monke have value!
We are human, we value the members of our species because that's how being a social animal works, but we mean barely anything to a bear that would maul us for food, we're valuable to other humans but that doesn't mean we have some sort of transcendant property of "value"
@@bruhmoment5020 why?
@@bruhmoment5020 why do all humans have value and not just my in group. Survival of the fittest bruv
@@FosterDuncan1 survival of the fittest to survive, as long as you don't die and reproduce you're doing good in that matter, it's not about physical fitness, and it's a species-wise phenomenon so we're talking about the whole human species, which does indeed survive and reproduce, and since we're all part of the same species that we all want to survive we value the members of the human species, so we can survive better together as a society, which also is working out for us, misunderstanding a biological term isn't a "gotcha", it just makes you look ignorant.
Hello godless granny. I'm really glad to have found your channel and I truly enjoy your content.
I sure hope some of his obviously lost followers find their way to you.
While, we might end up using entirely different words, I expect a deterministic justice system would still work in much the same way a free will system works.
I think rehabilitation rather than punishment will be the key goal. Convince anyone here in AL that criminals don't need punishment is a steep hill to climb though.
@@GodlessGranny One wonders if they get that idea from Christianity or that's the reason they inject it into the religion. What does science tell us about how to rehabilitate that way of thinking?
Your channel definitely deserves more love.
Cosmic Skeptic and Rationality Rules are both capable of twisting my brain into knots, but I enjoy their content nonetheless. Might be the latent masochist in me.
Is Kyle so ignorant as to think lack of free will means behavior can't be changed? Has he never heard of programming, specifically machine learning and AI?
indeed, it would be the opposite.if we had free will, our behavior would be completely impossible to influence.
Before watching the video, this is my prediction:
He's not a skeptic because a real skeptic would make no assumptions and question everything, including existence, reality, their own cogitation etc, and so a real skeptic can't know anything. Since he claims he does know something, he is not a real skeptic. Rounds of applause all around.
This is kinda the standard playbook of theists on skepticism, let's see if he sticks to the script.
edit: Few minutes in and nope. It's just a quote miner
WRONG! = Kyle, or at least it's one of his favorite comments/rebuttals....
Biggest point I could argue against that that being in good health is not good because it's better for society. My purpose in life is not to improve productivity.
I did say functions better. I meant that as a personal benefit.
@@GodlessGranny oh yea it wasn't like i got the feeling you meant it in a bad "your only value is what you provide to others" kind of way, merely that i though the wording wasn't ideal.
That was actually a bit painful to complete. I applaud
your patience. I added further self-insult by sampling
the original, and it's truly as awful as it appeared here;
obnoxious commentary for middle-schoolers. Very
low-hanging and unripe fruit, but Kyle seems to have
acquired like-minded commenters in a sufficiently
disturbing number. I hope he watches your video and
regards it seriously: he IS a twerp and OUGHT not to be
to such a degree. (22 years old?! ...)
I did award his own posting a "dislike" to discourage the
almighty algorithm.
Or just question a Sumption. I'm still a Sumption even marriage changed my name.
Those pictures of God and Heaven Kyle has look so ridiculous and silly.
Better than a rainbow flag of the alphabet
Kyle, budding apologist.
Don't sell yourself short, you have, you have a very clear way of explaining your opinions that i enjoy a lot.
5’9” is average height for an American male, so Sam can’t really be classed as “small”.
Debate Jay dyer granny
Why should she debate someone who doesn’t actually believe in the things he says? How can god both violate logic and not violate logic which dyer has claimed?
I can't find Kyle's video on his channel - guess he's deleted the silly thing. Finally he's done something right 🙂
Another big problem. When you say "the choices we make are determined before we think about them" you are mixing several things without knowing it. It is true that a lot of choices we make are totally instinctive or strongly influenced by instinct. Most of the time we breathe without a conscious thought and might not even notice that we decided to breathe. And when you play tennis, for example, if you think, you lose. If you think about where to put your feet, when to start swinging your racket, how much top spin you want to give to the ball, to name just a few decisions you must make, your opponent is already in his car, on his way to his home and you have not yet started to swing. Those are the kinds of thoughts you are talking about. But when I decide to put bullets in my gun, drive to my dad's home, open the door with the key that I stole, and put an end to my dad's life, every single thought in this process is different from the ones in the study you mentioned. The one choice that happens before I think about it is in the fraction of a second when I pull the trigger.
On an otherwise great video, I have to protest one bit. Depending on the definition of free will, Alex and Stephen and Sam Harris might be making a sound philosophical point or not. But when they jump into the justice system they are changing the definition of free will in a bait-and-switch operation that fools many, maybe even themselves. There is a philosophical notion that if we could place each atom and wave in the same place, velocity and spin as they are in my room right now, then I would write this same post exactly as I am writing it now, and therefore the capacity to take a different decision when the situation is exactly reproduced does not exist, and the free will that is implied in the example above does not exist.
But the experiment above is impossible, so it is unfalsifiable, and will forever be mental masturbation. The free will that is implied in our justice system is different and we have falsifiable experiments that show that punishing some egregious acts does change society for the better. Just as porn, the free will that stopped me from becoming an alcoholic and keeps Elizabeth Holmes trying to concoct the next scam after Theranos, is impossible to define but I know it when I see it.
I agree Kyle does misinterpret what Cosmic Skeptic is saying about being a skeptic on the small things as well as the big things.
I think Kyle's implicit point is that the point of being healthy (from his point of view) is that, to put it simply, God says we should look after our health. And because as an atheist, Cosmic Skeptic doesn't have a god telling him to look after his health, from Kyle's point of view, Cosmic Skeptic looking after his own health is pointless, then. I would think that Kyle's point of view would be that it doesn't matter that they both agree that looking after your own health is good, what matters to Kyle is the reason behind that conclusion.
"No one alive today, to my knowledge, has ever heard your god say anything. The only way one could get morality from your god, is from your holy book..."
My parents and brother have heard from God about morality. I am suprised that no Christians have told you that they have heard from God about morality, not only from the bible, but directly to their minds (and in some cases audibly).
We may not be able to forcibly reprogram people so that they do not commit crimes (and I think it would be a moral violation if we did), but we can help criminals who choose to, to "reprogram" themselves. Unfortunately, from what I can tell, jail/prison is usually used to punish people, if anything giving them an environmemt where they can learn to be more criminal, rather that giving criminals the opportunity to reprogram themselves.
My impression is that we can make choices, but we are not totally free to make any choices, due to genetics and environment (and limitations of our mind and reality.) If we had completely free choice, with no biases predisposing us to certain choices over others, then we wouldn't have any personalities/all have the same personality.
A person may not be able to directly change what they believe, or change what they believe instantly, but people can change what they believe. Otherwise Cognitive Behavioural Therapy wouldn't work at all. It is premised on being able to change what we think (and thus believe.) Also, Kyle can choose not to "believe in Atheism" but continue to believe what he currently does, by refusing to be open to changing his mind on the topic and only approaching the topic with a closed mind.
The studies show that we don't make decisions on the spot with our concious mind. But we do make the choice with our unconcious mind (which after a small amount of time informs our concious mind of what it decided). And our concious mind is able to change our unconcious mind (eg CBT), at least over the long term.
I'm well aware of Christians claiming to hear from god. I did it myself. But no one can know that it is really god talking & not their own thoughts, no matter how much they believe otherwise. If it really were god talking, they should be able to hear new information from god. Yet they never do.
God reminds them of something, or brings a bible verse to mind. That isn't god. That's their own thoughts, which they attribute to god.
There are brain imaging studies that back this up. The region of the brain used to hear another person differs from the one that hears our own thoughts. People were monitored while praying & research found when they "heard god," the region of the brain used was hearing yourself, not another person.
Until a god can be demonstrated or a falsifiable claim of hearing god borne out, I stand by no one I know of has heard from god. They only claim to.
I love that Alex is vegan!
Like I think he’s no longer vegan due to health problems
Why?
is-ought problem isn't even an argument against moral realism. nobody reduces morality to 'is' because that would be utterly uninformative. if we got ought from is we'd have to say that everything that happens is moral. nobody says that (though theism entails it), and it would make moral reasoning and judgment redundant.
Kyle uses pre-suppositionalist apologetics, and is complaining about the is-ought problem. The lack of self-awareness is deep in this one.
Not only that, but the dishonest editing, cherry picking, quote mining, and sowing of discord goes against the book that he purports to follow.
Kyle is a special cookie.
Presupposionalist apologetics are perfectly viable, as well as drawing attention to the is-ought problem. However, you haven't actually provided an argument.
@@LaRevolution0 Frankly, I made the comment a year ago and my patience for presuppositional apologetics has decreased since then.
This form of apologetics generally assumes the correctness of their position without considering that they have no way of confirming their arguments.
That is to say, the argument may be valid, but they do not prove the soundness. Not only that, but the attempt to avoid proving soundness take the form of bluster and hostility.
Therefore, I file it under word games that apologists play when they cannot demonstrate the truth of their beliefs.
The emperor has no clothes.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing Presupp apologetics does confirm its arguments by the impossibility of the contrary. Atheism leads to nihilism and nothing matters in a world without God because it’s all relative.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing Because presup apologetics is an immediate iq test to eliminate from the outset everybody mediocre and under. It's the litmus test of mediocre and under immediately being canceled. And it does prove soundness via the impossibility of the contrary.
Why should an atheist care about someone demonstrating the truth of their beliefs when the atheist world view is already a self-refuting, nihilistic, catastrophe? Do atheists do anything else besides being arbitrary and ad hoc?
@@LaRevolution0 cool. Address soundness.
1:18 nice _Wayne's World_ reference :-D
skepticism is a philosophy. You even agree that not all skeptics are atheist, but Kyle is being very skeptical of cosmic but i don't see you calling Kyle a skeptic. Same thing with Aquinas tell me what makes Aquinas not a skeptic?
You missed the point as a Skeptic you have to be skeptical of most if not everything like your religion or lack of religion your behavior and health and how it affects you and others. Kyle isn't even Skeptical of Cosmic Skeptic or the other atheists he just looks but he doesn't listen he is absolutely sure he is right and has never changed or learned when he was wrong in any of his videos somebody could break it down clear for him just using deciptful editing and jumping at the first thing that confirms what he wants to hear whining over the same point claiming someone uses an emotional appeal or how atheists can't do anything without a telescope and reminding everyone he is an atheist. Cosmic Skeptic has considered the other side he even took Thelogy to get closer to God he has debated against people like Dawkins and tried to rebut Hitchens as an Apolgist. He even debunked himself Kyle never changes just repats the same points despite already going into a debate with PineCreeks and getting his ass whipped(He never posted that on his Channel you should watch it)
Our justice system needs rethinking whether you're a prison abolitionist or not. It simply doesn't achieve it's stated goal, in fact, it achieves the opposite. It actually increases crime and incarceration.
Personally, I am a prison abolitionist. We know that positive reinforcement and therapy work better than punishment. I'm not saying that dangerous, antisocial people should be allowed to roam free but, they shouldn't experience anguish. Two wrongs don't make a right.
It is... So sad religion, and even more apologetics, ruined Kyle's abilities to understand, question and then come to a conclusion.
At first I deemed him an idiot, now he gives more the vibe of having been awfully twisted.
Example of the lack of free will at the end : Kyle can't accept the lack of free will because it would turn the god he believes in into a moral monster, he is not free to believe this before he pinpoints the pavlovian programmation that his religious beliefs brings.
No?
23:40 EXCELLENT ASMR
My God, this comment section is full of hubris.
_Hubris hubris, hubris._ You're correct!!!
I'll be surprised if ever I find a "theist" "apologist" who does not misrepresent the opposition, and in most cases even their own position. Lying, deception, misdirection, misinformation seem to be the main tools of religious "defenders of the faith".
womp womp
I generally enjoy Alex's content, but suggesting a true skeptic applies skepticism to every day life is a no true Scotsman fallacy. I'm not sure why, but when it comes to veganism, he overlooks basic logical concepts.
Stop right there. I doubt anyone has superior reasoning powers than you, not Cosmic Skeptic, not anyone else in the atheist community. Your videos are are thorough and water tight (not to mention entertaining and understandable). What you packed for the first 40 years was access. Kids today have access to all of human knowledge in the palms of their hands. Your timeline is only proof of that, not anything to do with what's between your ears.
Wow! Thank you.
funny cos god invented photosynthesis, and he said don't kill stuff, but...
It's thou shall not murder which is unlawful killing he commanded us to eat meat
Huh
I like your views! Good videos!
Glad to hear that!
Sam Harris (and by extension me) are average size for males... we're not short. Other than that, excellent job.
I used to like watching Alex's videos until I heard one too many self righteous vegan rants. Now it's been years since I unsubscribed.
Yeah. Now he's gatekeeping skepticism. Why is Alex O'Connor the arbiter of who is a "true skeptic"? He's just judgemental and supercilious. Can't stand his content. He is very intelligent but, not old enough to realize that his conclusions are not some "universal truth".
@@drewharrison6433no he is giving a suggestion for what he thinks someone should do if they want to be a skeptic not a requirement
God bless you and Kyle. I thank God for creators like him
Bruh, your just reciting reddit arguments, grow up.
Orthobros, when they've lost: "Huh reddit!"
Granny, you are smart and kind, I hope you regain your faith one day.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
So you don't want her to be so smart anymore? She obviously has enough faith in her own intelligence to not cling to absurd religious notions.
@@DutchmanAmsterdam Prayers for you, too. Jesus Christ is king of kings!
@@i.m.watching5536 It seems as if you believe in the angry, war, jealous, vicious, vindictive bearded, old dude sitting on the clouds. Cool. Yes, you're on to something... humanity has progressed so much in +2,000 years of Christianity.😆🙃🤔👀
@@i.m.watching5536 Just curious, do you even know the difference between Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus?
Oh wait, did you even know that the Bible was translated from Hebrew, but the translators didn't really have a clear copy to translate from, and 2 out of the 3 Hebrew translators died before they were finished, and from this Hebrew it was translated into Latin, but Martin Luther put his protestant slant into the translation, and oh, from the Latin it was then translated into Greek, which the Greek translators had to keep with the rulers' biases and narratives or they would get into trouble ...and wait, from the Greek it was then translated into English.
Hmm, you do know the Bible wasn't written in English, right?
Let the lady rest, she wasted 40 years on this bullshit already.
Yep.. Kyle won that one
Is this ironic or not I can’t tell
@@Alektoum It is not.
@@SymphonicusMetal You... you actually think like Kyle?
And you think his arguments are good?
They're valid arguments, in the sense that they *are* arguments, but...
He was literally acting like a freakin' child.
That is so absurd, it is literally inconceivable that he could ever be taken seriously.
May not be his last name, but much like another apologist who goes by the name "Kyle"...
He makes himself the 'Butt' of the joke.
@@switchie1987 says the atheist in his mid 30s looked in his dark room watching atheistic granny all night
@@SymphonicusMetal Oh hey, you actually guessed the canonical age of my main fursona, Switchie!
He's 37 years old~
His closest friend, and my other 'sona, Cubie; She's canonically 24 years old~
Though I myself am 21, turning 22 this August~
You are the one who missed the point. Kyle was using that sentence from that clip to make his argument about Alex's supposed non-skepticism in relation to "meta level" questions. They are not leading a debate. Kyle doesn't have to perfectly represent Alex's standpoint and argument to say something about the aforementioned topic. This pragmatism throughout your video is quite frankly insufferable, and when you say that since Kyle's description of the argument isn't 100% accurate (maybe not even 50%) you can disregard his questions about the atheist's "skepticism" , you are, arrogantly so, escaping from the question and problem he proposes. I guess since your mind can't deal with the fact that you don't have a sufficient answer to the problem, you look for the smallest details to calm yourself down.
You coping.
@@baonemogomotsi7138 how am i coping
@@simonubovic6209'' I guess since your mind can't deal with the fact that you don't have a sufficient answer to the problem, you look for the smallest details to calm yourself down.'' Completely unjustified jump in logic. I'm not even gonna blame your faith or denomination, cause they're Christians who actually think
@@simonubovic6209What's worse is Kyle made his video private cause he was getting cooked. Stay in your lane
@@baonemogomotsi7138 ok bro. She didnt address the argument at all. Talked about stupid shit that doesn't concern the argument at all.
This is so cringe
Pro or anti Kyle?
An atheist granny that is still breathing and wasting so much energy on the pointless activity(obvious natural conclusion from an atheist pov) of criticizing christianity, is indeed super cringe.
I would say that Kyle got everything right ✅️ Glory to God for all things ☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
That’s right
How you guys are just purposely being dumb at this point
@@TotalAnalyst2 please enlighten me why in your opinion.
Why Kyle need to edit out Alex’s point?
@@TotalAnalyst2
Talk to The Hand
"The Son of God suffered unto the death, not that men might
not suffer, but that their sufferings might be like His."
George MacDonald
As lot of ad hominem of Kyle, not a lot of substance. 👎
Thats because you and granny are giving alex way to much charity to the point where you would intentionally lie about alex's points make it look like he's making stronger arguments.
The love of God will always win.
The Bible is not a straightforward historical record. It consists of many different books and many genres. Much of it should not be interpreted literally.
I don't even talk about the bible in this video. How is this relevant?
@@GodlessGranny It's relevant because you are ignorant of it.
So which parts of the bible should be taken as literal and which parts should be metaphors, and how many Christians agree with you?
See why religions and their books are problematic? Anyone can interpret them however they want.
@@Vhlathanosh well Kyle and I are orthodox so we believe it's up to the authorities of the church to decide through councils and saints. We believe sola scripta is heretical so your own interpretation of scripture is false unless it alined with the church
@@Vhlathanosh That could be asserted towards denominations that practice sola scriptura, like mainline protestantism. Orthodoxy, however, has normative authority in the apostolic church which compiled the bible in the first place. Jesus left us a church which gave us the bible as a liturgical instrument, therefore the interpretation of the church is the correct one.