Fanatec Clubsport DD (DD+) Full Review - A Great Mid/High-Range Direct Drive Option
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
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With the Fanatec Clubsport DD range now having been out for a few weeks, I have had a change to test it out in a few different titles. This is my full review of the Fanatec Clubsport DD, which offers 12Nm of holding torque, new FFB protocols and the excellent QR2 system as standard. Overall, this is a great mid-range direct drive option.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:58 - Clubsport DD/DD+ Specs
04:59 - QR2
06:53 - Fanatec Firmware and Drivers
08:15 - FullForce... Or Lack Thereof
09:41 - In-Game Testing
19:33 - Temperatures, Endurance and Response Curve (Slew Rate)
21:49 - Conclusions and Buying Advice
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FAQs, Corrections and Omissions:
Corrections:
- Torque Figure Error Correction Video: ua-cam.com/video/J_QiotUhGkk/v-deo.html
- The IRL footage is a little out of focus during ACC. I apologise for that, but had no time to record that segment again
- There is no IRL footage for ETS2
Omissions:
- Price Not Mentioned: This is because the prices could change quite a bit as time goes on - between starting and publishing this review I noticed the price changed. The conversion between USD, EUR and GBP also does not always match up when purchasing the product.
Clarifications:
- Wobble in Rig: My rig is at its limit when it comes to this wheelbase, but when performing the QR2 flex test I was pushing and pulling on the rig far more than I normally would.
- Mounting with the T-Nuts is easier than before, due to a ball bearing on the nuts. It allows you to slide them into place and then let go. The bearing will hold it in place.
Thank you for your review, good to hear more opinion of people who have this base
You are quite welcome
Thank you for saving me money. I was about to order the DD+. Great video
Congrats. You currently have the best review on the internet. It will be very hard to beat. Subscribed.
Thank you very much, I appreciate that - especially as this is my first real hardware review!
Best review out now! good work!
Thank you!
Very Good review ! I just made the same transition from csl dd pro 8nm to cs dd 12nm and I share the same reactions to the dd 12nm. I’m already blown by the feeling from this unit. I really did’nt expect this. I would not say huge difference but this is all I expected from the csl dd pro 8nm when I bought it that was missing. On top of that full force is not released yet 🎉, it’s a keeper I finally drain my arms with 2laps round the green hell in a open wheel at 12nm. Please share your settings in AC, would be fun to compare the settings
Thank you very much.
My settings are zero all FFB aside from gain, which is at 57% for road cars, 60% for race cars and 65% for F1 cars
So the 12nm strength is not that much over the CSL DD
It is about double what the CSL DD can transmit as a holding torque
mid range is 8nm, 15nm above is high, 12nm is around that, but due to constant 12 nm torque.. its considered high
Thanks for the review. Do you find there is enough headroom to prevent clipping when using the Clubsport RS wheel ? Would you have gone for the DD+ with 15nm given the choice again?
You are welcome. I think that there is enough headroom for everything except the F1 car, which could have done with the extra 3Nm of holding torque. The tiny amounts of clipping is something I can deal with, as milliseconds of clipping is not really a problem. Given the choice again, I think for the cost I would still pick the DD over the DD+. If there was just about £80 between it, it may be a different matter.
Hi! Thx for the Video! You use the QR2 Lite on the McLaren Wheel. Do you have the full FFB or is it limited to 8Nm 🤔?
Thx!!
You are welcome. I do not use the QR2 Lite on the McLaren wheel. I upgraded from a QR1 Lite to a QR2 standard.
Excellent video! How did you get the QR2 so quickly?
I have no idea - similar to how I got the wheel base so quickly. I ordered it, it was delayed for two days and then it arrived...
Quality stuff mate …. You delivered.
Sound like a quality wheel.
I got the DD+ on order
Much appreciated!
i have it ordered also but on the fence now, a lot of people say simagic is better
Better how? I was going to gonwith simagic as well, but now that the cs dd is available im back to probably going with fanatec. Just worried because all the complaints about customer service. @magzire
Hello, I just received my DD+ base. I also have the exact same wheels as you. Would you be kind enough to make a FFB setting tutorial for the different manor sim titles pleas?
Very good review EC. Do you wear driving gloves when driving IRL.
Thank you, and I do not - only when racing in a sim or karting
Ok. You should do more of this type of review. It was professional and informative, great narration too. Cheers.
If I had that sort of equipment to test, I may do that - but thank you. I could maybe narrate more like this in my normal gameplay...
has it compatibility mode, to play with old game like The crew, Dirt 5, or V rally 4 ? what is the new high range for fanatec ? dd1 and dd2 are sold out.
I have the DD Pro GT, I was also considering the CS DD at $700 but didn't pull the trigger as I wanted to see some reviews and I also figured I'd be able to recoup most of my cost by selling the GT DD Pro. Now the price has gone up to $800 (completely out of the blue) and I'm now wondering if it's even worth going through the hassle or just waiting a bit longer and going for DD+.
I know you sort of touch on this in your conclusion, but do you think it's worth it in the end? Or is it more of a "I did it, so I'll say it to make my self feel better" sort of situation? would you advise others to do it because it's SO worth it?
I'm not unhappy with the DD Pro, I recently put a QR2 upgrade on it and I feel it's already gotten a bit better as I don't have the slop I did but more power never hurts. So question is, is it simply just stronger force or are you actually feeling a difference? A more smoother DD? better low level feedback? noticeably faster response than DD Pro? Did you ever have a chance to try QR2 on CSL DD?
My indecisiveness has already lost me $100 lol and I'm still uncertain and now thinking of taking a bigger jump to DD+, something is wrong with this hobby or me lol.
It also went up 100 EUR, so had I waited I would have ended up playing an extra £80 or so. I definitely think that (at the price I paid anyway) it is worth it, and am not saying that to try to justify something that was not. But do remember that I sold my old kit and recouped the costs anyway. Would I advise others to do so? It is not 'SO' worth it, especially fi you are happy with the CSL level. A good option would be to find out how much you can roughly get for that to help you decide.
It definitely is more than just a stronger force though - it is a smoother DD and the feedback is better. Not astoundingly better, but better. It also has the whole FullForce setup, which could be important in the future. To me, the response was faster than the GT DD Pro, which I really noticed when I pushed the car over the limit intentionally to get it sliding or breaking traction in other ways. If you really want to extract everything out of your vehicle, I think it is noticable.
I unfortunately never had a chance to try the QR2 on the CSL DD.
If you are not planning on using it on PS, then the DD+ is a bit overpriced for the extra 3Nm in my opinion.
@@ECGadget Thank you for the detailed response. I think at this point, if I'm going to veer into the sub $800 territory, I will wait for the DD+. To me the difference between $800 and $1000 starts becoming a little more ummm acceptable and I can retain the PS compatibility. I guess that is likely why they pushed the DD price up, get people to go for the DD+.
You may be right there - I think my rig cannot handle the DD+ anyway. For me though, I would say diminishing returns, at least with the way my setup currently is. The extra £140 or so can go towards a new, larger monitor!
Next time turn down the INT to like 2 the details pop so so much.
You woupd have gotten more detail out of the rally while using all of its dynamic range. But the dd+ is stronger by a good bit. It says 3 exra nm but that allows you to srt it oike this one and not lose out on detail. Plus my dd+ feels like a dd1 in strength actually somehow a little stronger which doesnt make sense. But in my testing the dd+ with the base at 80% and 60% in game felt like my dd1 did at 100% on base and 60% in game.
No dips no drops. 8 hours of use not even warm to the touch. Ive enver seen a base do that which is awesome. The ffb response is so so good.
Hi, great review, very complete but I wanted to ask you something: I have CSW 2.5 and I would like to change it. I have a Formula V2 steering wheel and unfortunately I have Universal Hub V1 with 2 crowns but it is impossible to mount the QR2 on the Universal Hub V1. at this point I ask myself: clubsport dd+ base / new universal hub v2 / 2 qr2 wheel side I spend €1500. at this point, for the same expense, I'll take a dd2 podium (if they put it back into production) which still has the qr1. what do you think ? will it be better to go with the latest technology of cs dd+? thank you very much if you answer me
The DD+ is a better offering in my opinion than the DD2 (which I do not think will be put back into production in its current guise. That will be moving over to the QR2 as well I believe). The QR2 kit is excellent, though they seem to have stock issues (but that is Fanatec...). The tech of these bases also exceed the DD1/DD2 so you have better feedback effects. I cannot do a direct comparison between a DD1/DD2 and these, but I advise you to check out BoostedMedia's impressions of the product, as he has used the DD1 and DD2!
Tanks for reponse. Cs dd or dd+ in my rig is much better because is more small than dd2 or dd1 and no need move the monitor position. So I wait even I have think too to buy the downgrade kit qr1 base side if fanatec make really production and then maybe later I buy qr2 kit and save around 400 €
It has the best ffb ive ever felt accross any 15nm or under ffb dd wheel. I was kind of surprised hy hpw fast the drtail gets sent. There is 0 latency its direct. I feel much less understeer because of it because it iust grabs ahold of you. I seriously am getting a tenth per lap on avergae faster even over my dd1. How? Idk maybe the response snd the catches i get. Its insane. I will never go bsck to 20nm if this 15nm feels this good. I gues because its holding torque compared to peak torque? Idk but it doesnt feel any different in actual strength but im getting better detail. Full force is just a bonus for the future but it is not needed.
Also it is the best wheelbase for f1 racing nothing feels better then this in f1.
Hello, I have a question. If your Clubsport DD is switched on but you are not playing, do you feel a slight vibration in your steering wheels? I have 3 steering wheels and in all of them I feel a small vibration without playing. Many thanks and regards.
No vibration at all that I know of. If you are not in game and you turn your wheel, there are points where I suppose there could be some vibrations, almost like a humming, as it goes through the different magnets inside the base. I will take a closer look the next time I am set up and using the wheel.
@@ECGadget many thanks for the quick response. greetings
hi what wheel stand are you using and how does it stand up too the csl dd?
It is a GTOmega Apex Wheel Stand. It held up to the CSL DD (with Boost Kit) without a single issue. The CS DD is right at its limit as it is not heavy enough to withstand any stronger forces.
Just upgraded from my Clubsport 2.5 belt drive and the corners feel like silk compared to the old wheel base. However, I must be missing a setting somewhere. I can't seem to feel my tires losing grip when understeering and this was the biggest improvement I was seeking when upgrading. I'm guessing it might be dampening causing this. iRacing is my primary sim.
Since I do not have iRacing I cannot give you settings that work - perhaps try out the settings I have in the video and work from there. It may help. I could definitely feel the sensation of tyres losing grip when understeering in all the sims I tested!
I have a question... CSL DD have an issue that wheel by itself do not wanna stay at position zero and it turn itself few degress left or right because of magnets placement. Its random from one base to another.
How does it look at clubsport DD?
Is this when the wheel is switched off? If so, that is normal. When the wheel is switched on, you should be able to hold it at any point and it will stay. I have not had this issue with the CS DD when it is switched on, but I never had this problem with the CSL DD either.
@@ECGadget On or off doesnt matter because the issue is exactly the same.
For me it do not stay at the center and turn 3 degress to the left, and for my freind like 4 or 5 to the right.
So that is the important question for me if it still happens for the clubsport dd or not.
Just go into fanatec control panel and see if its stay at position zero.
No issues whatsoever for me. It stays where it should, as did the CSL DD. If it turn it to zero, it will stay at zero
Is there any update on the coil whine noise on the cs dd and cs ddplus?
I have not actually heard any coil whine noise from my CSDD, and I have very sensitive hearing... Raise a ticket with Fanatec about that, because it should be silent/almost complete silent.
Hi looking to get this DD but only have an Omega gt Apex stand would this work ok ?
I have an Apex wheel stand - the DD is on the limit of what it can handle. If you look at my gameplay footage, you will notice the movement during sudden snaps. It definitely cannot handle a DD+, but I am looking at ways to improve the stability with the DD.
Simagic alpha or fanatic clubsport dd+?? HELP
How is this compared to DD1? because you can get DD1 much cheaper than the Clubsport DD+ or the DD
I cannot compare firsthand, but it appears to be much better because of new technology. No grainy feeling, better response and smoothness, with a better size, and longer endurance.
hi, can you test the DD with drive hub on PlayStation 5 to see if it works, I would like to know that before I buy, I don't want to buy the DD+ because I know that Fanatec will release a new podium F1 PS5 in 2024, nice video
It does not. The Clubsport DD is not compatible with a PlayStation system.
I heard the qr2 lite limits the DD to 8nm is this true ?
From what I have read it is, however, I do not have a QR2 lite to try out, so I cannot confirm that for you. Sorry!
Soon qr1 will be gone entirely, the newer csl dd will come with the qr2 if the fanatec driver app switching the image from the qr1 on the dd to the qr2 so a running change will happen very soon. They need to start selling the wheels with at least the qr2 lite on the lower end wheels as it is now it will cost you a minimum of 50 extra over the price to buy a new wheel from fanatec
Fanatec makes no claim that the peak torque of the Clubsport DD and DD+ is greater than the holding torque. One has to assume 12 NM and 15 NM are the peak and holding torque figures of the DD and DD+ respectively until Fanatec comes out with data/specs to the contrary.
Correction video pinned, and in description.
Well at least based on video footage there is quite a bit of wobble maybe rig upgrade next for you:) might make ffb even better.
This base has definitely ensured that my rig has reached its limit. I shall be looking into a new one - but I use a portable rig, so I will have to figure something out. This one is already around 40kg with all the equipment attached... so a bit of a faff to carry and move!
Thanks for taking the time to put up a review! I'm still waiting for my DD+ to arrive😂
Have you tried the new forza motor sport on it?
Not that the game is amazing, but I end up playing it for cross play with friends so would be interested to know what it's like on that.
You are welcome - it was a lot of working into multiple nights to do the research!
I did not try it on Forza Motorsport 7 - I honestly did not even think of that title. I sadly do not own it. My guestimation though is that you will get a reasonable set of FFB from it, probably similar to GT7. I am not sure it would be worth it for just that though. This is definitely gears more towards simulation over simcade. It also depends on the sorts of cars you will be using; if you are mostly going to be using tuned road vehicles then this will most likely be overkill, and then the DD+ a little extra! But these are just guestimations. Sorry!
@@ECGadget Its free if you're on game pass. I will be using mine for many other titles on I racing, ac, acc,ams2,rfactor2, but also on forza and GT7
Oh, I do not have game pass either!
3:06: that's not correct, there are Peak values stated: it's 12 Nm for the CS DD and 15 Nm for the CS DD+ because on the CS DD Bases the Holding Torque equals the Peak Torque and the Bases can not peak any higher than their Holding Torque.
You are the second person to say something like this... which is interesting, because this feels like more than 12Nm... I could be wrong bu this is near double what I could max on the CSL DD at 8Nm...
@@ECGadget that can have several reasons. Maybe you used the CSL DD in FFS Linear Mode which would mean it's capped to 6 Nm (equals double the power) or you experienced FFB Fading on the CSL DD after some use where the strength also drops from 8 to 6 Nm as that is the Holding Torque value of that base, which would again mean double the power now ;)
But it's a fact that the Holding and Peak Torque is the exact same :)
Thank you for mentioning it to me! I think I may have had FFB fading you know...
I will put up a correction video in a few moments! Really appreciate you pointing it out, especially without getting angry... you know, internet and all!
My opinions I believe still stand, but I will definitely explain why I may be feeling the base as double and percieved that as near 16Nm...
I got my DD 8nm version last week. Got it all setup and played like a madman! WOW! But one thing. My arms where getting a workout with 8nm I can't imagine 12 or 21. I think I might be too old to have something like that. I think I need to start lifting weights! :)
Enjoy your DD!
It is a bit of a workout for sure - I think the 12 and 15 Nm holding torque is something that most people would be able to just about handle. More than that and I think you would definitely need to be lifting weights. This is a decent way to tone muscle though if you are so inclined. Definitely not for children though!
I went from the G923. I knew buying that it was the low end of this. But Wow! This DD has revived my gaming desire. I got a Quest 3 only have got to try that once. But man I am in a whole different world here.@@ECGadget
Likewise the tired arms & shoulders. I'm an old coot living in a retirement community and have pre-ordered a CS DD+ after 18 mostly very satisfying months running a variety of titles on my 8 nm GT-DD Pro. My wheels all have the metal QR1, and I've found myself becoming increasingly annoyed with the mechanical slop and audible clicking and creaking from the QR1 system, especially so in DR2 and WRC. I'd initially planned on just upgrading to the new QR2 system. However, given the considerable cost to upgrade my fairly large collection of wheels, and based on the favorable reviews of the new CS DD's, decided to go all in with the new system. Time will tell if this was a wise or foolhardy decision.
@Ripperx121 I went from a G27 to the CSL DD, so I know what you mean with the difference in feel and how it changes everything!
Best of luck @phineas59 , and I hope that you find yourself enjoying the CS DD+. The QR2 system is definitely a big change, especially at the higher torque. Out of curiosity, what are your throughts on comparing DR2.0 to WRC? Is it worth purchasing WRC? I may consider doing so and making a series out of it... though I think I may need a handbrake.
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Seemingly great product. Good luck actually getting one with the abysmal customer service. Buyer beware, I've been waiting for mine for a month+
The best restaurants have the longest lines and wait times lol
@erikgonzalez2486 lol you don't pay for food before you wait for it. Stop simping for a company. They have great products and terrible customer service issues. Both things can be true.
I hope that yours arrives soon. I appear to just have got lucky with my delivery!
Glad you have yours! Still no tracking or anything . This experience has completely soured my view of this company. I will never support them again. I don't mind waiting if the expectation is set. Continuing to sell past your inventory is fraudulent/disgraceful. Meanwhile many of us have our money being held hostage with no updates.
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@@robdiddy55 haha simping is a little exaggerated lol im not denying they’re horrible in terms of customer service but I’m just not an impatient child and understand how logistics and high demand work. At the end of the day its a toy company your getting mad at 🤣
what is the resolution? cause i use 40% of 5.5 newton ..the resolution is the main factor nothing else..sadly not even on their website they tell ..only that the processor is strong bla bla bla
I cannot give you a resolution for it, because I do not have that figure. What I can tell you is that it is very granular - I definitely felt everything I thought I should be able to feel. But beyond that, I cannot give you a number, nor compare it to another wheelbase in this segment to provide relative feedback. I think BoostedMedia's video may be a better option for that!
@@ECGadget how they want to sell a product without the numbers who are the most essential!?
How in the world did you already get this
I honestly have no idea. I was expecting to get it around Christmas, but there we go...
The only reason i bought this base over Asetek, is game compatibility, unfortunatelly only fanatec logitech and trustmaster are compatible with almost any racing game, others are only compatibile with majority of sim titles, not even all of them.... :(
If I bought the DD+ do I need the QR2 ?
Yup, the base gets delivered with a base side QR2. But I’ve heard that you can buy a QR1 Base side if you don’t want to upgrade your wheels
So the base side QR2 is separate from the QR2 quick release system that holds the wheel right?
Correct. If you take a look at the QR2 section of the video, those connectors are the wheel side connectors you have to purchase. The base itself comes with the QR2 already built in. You will be able to get a QR1 base side if you want, as PlugNico mentioned but, as said in the video, I do not recommend it at all.
@@ECGadget thank you
should i use it on a desk
I highly recommend against that for this base, or any base with this level of power
It's btw confirmed that the constant tourque is also the peak tourque. its able to hold it for a very long time. Its somewhere explained and each manufacture measures their values differently
Really? Because if that is the case, this feels like way more than 12Nm. It literally felt near double what I had before...
EDIT: I have realised what the error was and put up a correction video, thank you for highlighting this to me, I appreciate it.
Yea, i mean for a few ms the nm figures can be ofc higher but thats not what they messured. there is an interview with the fanatec ceo, i think he explaines it a bit.
Edit: ah, you mentioned it in the video. GJ :D
Thank you! I Thought it best to make a correction video to clarify - though I think my opinions are still valid, eveything just needs to be brought down a bit, as opposed to the CSDD and DD+ figures being brought up a bit!
Is the dd+ compatible with Xbox with a Xbox steering wheel tho.
Yes it is
@@ECGadget bet. Thank you. I’ll wait till it’s buyable again
Why does your title say DD+ when your obviously not talking about that one? They're not the same.
Because he covers the specs of it in the video. The only differences are the color, logo, power output, and PlayStation compatibility
What was said above. Mounting is the same, QR2 connections are the same, limitations (aside from PS Compatibility) are the same. Response curve is a little different but not something noticable. Setup is the same, game compatibility is the same. Firmware is the same. I also compare the two directly for different uses.
@@jacobwebb8818dd+ has more torque right?
Are both Xbox compatible?! 😮 (with an Xbox wheel obviously… I have the v2.5
Yes its like using the 5nm and gettijg the boost kit for the dd pro. The difference is almost as big. The dd+ i own feels like its 22 to 25nm the holding torque is insane. I didnt expect it to feel more powerful then the dd1 but it does. @Rezamajedi
It should be obligatory before any person post a fanatec review they go through an RMA or warranty process with fanatec first.
Honestly how is this mid-range compared to Fanatec's other gear? They are superior in every way compared to their other wheelbases. Keep in mind the advertised 15nm for the DD+ is holding torque, not peak torque before you pull the "DD2" card.
These are the highest tier bases they've ever made lolol
What's this sim at 8:09? That has to be the worst headcam/cockpit tracking view I've ever seen in a sim. Doesn't look like anything I've played and I think I have basically everything in my library.
Edit: I can't get over how bad the head movement looks. It's so bad lmao.
assetto corsa, you can edit to your liking
That is because I am actually moving my head and looking around, not some in game programming. But it does look bad on that clip. It seemed much smoother when I was playing. I do have new recording hardware, not sure if refresh rates played a part.
SHOW is over NOW, let it be
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This base was already a bit overpriced in this current market at 699$€ but Fanatec just increased the price to 799$€ just for fun it seems... disgusting move.
ps. is there a good way to find out, what tourque you need/want? Like 8 vs 12nm without buying something lol?
The unexpected increase was strange, but I would not say it was overpriced in the market for what it is. Unfortunately there is no real way to know what you need/want - I suppose these reviews are the only way to tell. Unless you go to a gaming conference or something, where you may find booths with these sorts of wheelbases.
@@ECGadget If you look at the competition at 12nm it was kinda overpriced at 699€.
Simagic Alpha Mini (10nm with higher peaks though), Moza R12 and especially Asetek La Prima 12nm to name a few, whic are all cheaper.
There wasn't even a warning or some kind of pre order price, they just increased it.
I literally explain the competition as the first point of order in my video, which are not the bases you are comparing it to.
But yes, the lack of warning on price increase is very odd... I was surprised myself at it when I checked the pricing.
@@ECGadget I watched your video. There are 2 issues.
1. nobody knows the peak values of the CS DD (maybe you have more information but you were "approximating" those peak values. If the peak values would be higher, don't you think Fanatec wouldn't use this to their advantage in marketing?
2. you need to compare the competition price wise not only by the force they put out. And thats what i did.
Plastic housings