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Not sure the 9950x3d is going to be the best for gaming .. from the rumours ive seen it still single stacking its cache like the 7950x3d .. in which case the 9800x3d may be the cheaper better gaming cpu again .. Ill wait for reviews first .. but i think im going to walk from AMD gpu's this gen ( not for any other reason than the 5090 will be the last GPU i buy for a long long time ) I dont see AMD catching up so ill go a 5090 and be done with it..
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 Catching up to what? Intel is in the hot seat (pun intended). 5090 I think will finally make 4k gaming with maxed RT viable. Now i am waiting to see if I need to sell everything in my home to get one.
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 Best for gaming is always gonna be the x800x3d variant with the x950x3d coming in right behind it--RARELY winning in few titles, like the current 7800x3d and 7950x3d.
@@shadowlemon69 at least gamer meld doesn't rely only on leakers but this guy is (not defending gamer meld) just saying this what this guy is doing compared to gamer meld.
I imagine that in a few generations "3d vcache" will be integrated into all chips just like HT or even on-die cache was many years ago, the problem with maximum voltage was the only reason I remember that made AMD have to lower the clocks on these CPUs, and the more mature the technology, the easier and cheaper it is to produce, I wonder when Intel will have an answer to it, considering that the first time I read about 3D cache stack was in an article by Intel about 10 years ago and they talked about chips with over 1GB of L3 cache which ironically was first achieved by ADM in some Epyc chips, but then again AMD tends to be the first in reaching milestones in CPUs even if it doesn't stay ahead for long
I think the 9800X3D will be the true gaming champion. No Core Parking or need to assign CCD's. Fully overclockable 3D-VCache cores for all of Zen 5 X3D is heavily speculated!
Do you mean cancel them? If that's what you mean, that would be extremely stupid to do. While the X3D CPUs are brilliant for gaming, they lack the productivity performance compared to the vanilla CPUs. Those who prioritise productivity over gaming would be more interested in the non X3D CPUs. Cancelling the vanilla CPUs would be very stupid because AMD will lose out on a huge segment, meaning less profit for them.
@@Gamer-q7v if they have solved the clock issues, the x3d parts will be just as potent as the non-x3d parts in productivity. the only purpose they would serve would be to elevate the price of the x3d parts.
@@rozzbourn3653 Possibly. 3D V Cache is temperature sensitive and is highly voltage limited. I could see them boosting the clocks slightly higher for Zen 5 X3D. I doubt they will clock as high as the regular Zen 5 CPUs, though.
@@Gamer-q7v the reason they couldnt overclcok before was that the vcache voltage was tied to the core voltage. too much voltage on the vcache made for a bad day. if they figured out how to segregate those voltages, problems solved.
Chiplets are outdated. Like I said before, time is running out for AMD because Intel is about to dethrone them and AMD themselves know that arrow lake is going to mop the floor with zen5 and hence why they are releasing the X3DVCACHE variants earlier than expected to try to draw attention away from intel. A very clever marketing move from AMD, don't you think so, but AMD will soon realize that FOMO is going to kick in sooner or later and will once again take a page from Intel's book and reverse engineer Intel's hybrid architecture beginning with the AM6 socket AMD will introduce a tri-hybrid architecture that will introduce 3 types of cores: T-Cores = Turbo Cores B-Cores = Booster Cores L-Cores = Lag Cores And then AMD will also have a scheduler calling it THREAD MANAGER. AMD fanboys/girls answer this question. Why does AMD always be copying intel? Why can't they innovate and be original on their own?
This channel's name should be changed to Mentally Challenged, this guy and Gamer Meld are hands down the WORST tech news channels on youtube, pure clickbait and exaggerations galore.
Why is everyone complaining about Zen 5? Huge overclocking headroom because of massive power efficiency When EVERYONE knows AMD's 3D-VCache processors are the real deal AMD flagship.
Get project lasso or process lasso if you have amd. Whichever it's called. They need to up the cores per chiplet (not gonna happen this time) and get x3d out ASAP. The prices rumored going around for initial launch has about at much hype as the 7000 series. It's not going to do that great, i think the x3d will or the cheaper 7800x3d will. That past launch lead to tons of bundles, free ram, etc wouldn't be surprised if that happened again
I feel like you're hyping this up what's 28% gain it's not as big as 50% but from the sound of it it looks like the new processors will be more power efficient and cooler which is an awesome move in my book
Has anyone else wondered what could be achieved if AMD stacked the additional vCache across the two dies... giving vCache coherance as well as acting like an additional high bandwidth infinity fabric interconnect
@BIG_HAMZ Knowing Intel's luck it may as sell be called "Adamantium" cache because it's got to deflect so serious "Vibranium" from AMDs direction... On a serious note I had a quick read and it mentions Intels attempt as an L4 cache. Obviously the further down the cache hierarchy the slower cache normally becomes. This is where AMDs stacked cache is a revolution fusing through TSV's. Adding cache to a CPU is not a new thing.. I used to have chips on my 386, a simm/dimm type thing on my 486, and I think the final external cache solution was the Slot type P2/P3's.
@@craigmcmeechan5899 Yes, it’s not the same but achieved the same goal… to limit the reliance of dram memory hits. Even L4 cache is much faster than ram. My understanding is adamantine uses a node specialized for cache and has been stated to be able to contain up to 8gb of cache in a single chip. This would probably be a chip with a huge die area such as one of their xeons though.
Potentially even having a Top and Bottom Infinity Bus, it would do wonders to latency and bandwidth. Aligning the three chips with precision being the likely issue. Hopefully AMD/TSMC can figure this out.
I have no disposable uncome to upgrade a pc yet, so I'm fine waiting a year. This is gonna be the biggest upgrade I have ever done to my cpu. I'm currently on 11400f
Oh trust me it will! I went from an i5 10400f to a Ryzen 7 7800x3D and noticed huge gains in performance in all games I play. I play a lot of strategy games with lots of AI calculations and this CPU doesn't even break a sweat. Really good performance for 1% lows and average FPS.
I hope AMD will fix issues like the 7950X3D has. Otherwise it’s most likely that the performance won’t be much better than the 7000 series. The regular 9000 series is weak. So I don’t expect the X3D versions to be better. Also pricing will probably just be as disappointing.
I jumped on the bandwagon early and got a 13900K when it first came out in 2022 and I've had nothing but problems ever since. The worst Intel CPU I ever owned in over 30+ years. It was so bad that Intel agreed my CPU was defective and replaced it under warranty. The stability problems seemed like they were solved but the replacement CPU is starting to act up. I am done with Intel and I'm going AMD as soon as the Zen 5 X3D chips are available. In fact, I may not wait. I'm so sick of Intel that I might take a ride to Micro Center this weekend and buy an X670E based motherboard and 7800X3D to use until September when the new chips come out, then get a 9950X3D.
говорят, что в октябре, а возможно в конце года. 7800x3d вышел спустя 7 месяцев после выхода 7000 серии... но тогда он еще разрабатывался и тестировался. 9800 должен выйти быстрее... 2-3 месяца, думаю
I don't believe them. X3d on 7000 series couldn't overclock normally by increasing voltage because it was literally exploding. Stacking memory on top of the die is very limited. The workaround was undervolting to the limit so you could crank the mhz just a tad more. I have no confidence that unless they physically move the 3d cache that it can be solved.
@@supernice_auto From the whole fiasco when people were blowing up their 7000 series 3xd chips, it seems they didn't know anything or else they could have told motherboard manufacturers to limit voltage increases. Based on previous examples, you somehow believe it'll be different this time around?
Chiplets are outdated. Like I said before, time is running out for AMD because Intel is about to dethrone them and AMD themselves know that arrow lake is going to mop the floor with zen5 and hence why they are releasing the X3DVCACHE variants earlier than expected to try to draw attention away from intel. A very clever marketing move from AMD, don't you think so, but AMD will soon realize that FOMO is going to kick in sooner or later and will once again take a page from Intel's book and reverse engineer Intel's hybrid architecture beginning with the AM6 socket AMD will introduce a tri-hybrid architecture that will introduce 3 types of cores: T-Cores = Turbo Cores B-Cores = Booster Cores L-Cores = Lag Cores And then AMD will also have a scheduler calling it THREAD MANAGER. AMD fanboys/girls answer this question. Why does AMD always be copying intel? Why can't they innovate and be original on their own?
Idk if you live under a rock but Intel has been playing catchup for YEARS at this point. AMD is the one innovating to not only provide faster chips at better power efficiency, but for cheaper too.
@@ccfirat Why even stop there. AMD had the IMC first and single die dual cores as well. Intel literally glued together 2 dies to replicate what AMD did with 1 Opteron die. Now Intel is adopting chiplets years after AMD. AMD has been the primary innovator for X86 platforms. Intel was trying to push Itanium for 64bit computing I feel almost entirely because they wouldn't be bound to the agreement that forces them to share X86 with AMD. They made a deal and almost immediately tried to renege because AMD turned out superior products.
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The 9950X3D + 5090 benchmarks are gonna go crazy
Not sure the 9950x3d is going to be the best for gaming .. from the rumours ive seen it still single stacking its cache like the 7950x3d .. in which case the 9800x3d may be the cheaper better gaming cpu again ..
Ill wait for reviews first .. but i think im going to walk from AMD gpu's this gen ( not for any other reason than the 5090 will be the last GPU i buy for a long long time ) I dont see AMD catching up so ill go a 5090 and be done with it..
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 Catching up to what? Intel is in the hot seat (pun intended). 5090 I think will finally make 4k gaming with maxed RT viable. Now i am waiting to see if I need to sell everything in my home to get one.
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 Best for gaming is always gonna be the x800x3d variant with the x950x3d coming in right behind it--RARELY winning in few titles, like the current 7800x3d and 7950x3d.
Well well well if it isn't our favourite clickbaiter the man himself graphically challenged.
Don't forget Gamer Meld!
@@shadowlemon69 he is far worse than gamer meld.
@@shadowlemon69 at least gamer meld doesn't rely only on leakers but this guy is (not defending gamer meld) just saying this what this guy is doing compared to gamer meld.
I'm still deciding who, between Gamer Meld vs Graphically Challenged, is the greater Click Master Baiter.
Yall are here. lol.
I imagine that in a few generations "3d vcache" will be integrated into all chips just like HT or even on-die cache was many years ago, the problem with maximum voltage was the only reason I remember that made AMD have to lower the clocks on these CPUs, and the more mature the technology, the easier and cheaper it is to produce, I wonder when Intel will have an answer to it, considering that the first time I read about 3D cache stack was in an article by Intel about 10 years ago and they talked about chips with over 1GB of L3 cache which ironically was first achieved by ADM in some Epyc chips, but then again AMD tends to be the first in reaching milestones in CPUs even if it doesn't stay ahead for long
Honestly I am waiting for the AMD Ryzen 9950X3D.
I may actually be able to play late game Stellaris with it.
I wait for the same thing 😅
I think the 9800X3D will be the true gaming champion. No Core Parking or need to assign CCD's. Fully overclockable 3D-VCache cores for all of Zen 5 X3D is heavily speculated!
I still can’t believe X870E motherboards won’t be available when 9000 series CPU’s drops
It seems the non-X3D chips are just filler until the "main release" in September
Yeah, allegedly the 9000X3D will be September
Because 9th series is compatible with x670 boards and there is very minimal gains with x870 boards. So why delay the chips then!!
The only difference between x870e and x670e is usb 4 and some extra usb ports.
@@RiyozsuI need those
i think at this point they need to drop the non-x3d chips.
Do you mean cancel them? If that's what you mean, that would be extremely stupid to do. While the X3D CPUs are brilliant for gaming, they lack the productivity performance compared to the vanilla CPUs. Those who prioritise productivity over gaming would be more interested in the non X3D CPUs. Cancelling the vanilla CPUs would be very stupid because AMD will lose out on a huge segment, meaning less profit for them.
@@Gamer-q7v if they have solved the clock issues, the x3d parts will be just as potent as the non-x3d parts in productivity. the only purpose they would serve would be to elevate the price of the x3d parts.
@@rozzbourn3653 Possibly. 3D V Cache is temperature sensitive and is highly voltage limited. I could see them boosting the clocks slightly higher for Zen 5 X3D. I doubt they will clock as high as the regular Zen 5 CPUs, though.
@@Gamer-q7v the reason they couldnt overclcok before was that the vcache voltage was tied to the core voltage. too much voltage on the vcache made for a bad day. if they figured out how to segregate those voltages, problems solved.
Chiplets are outdated. Like I said before, time is running out for AMD because Intel is about to dethrone them and AMD themselves know that arrow lake is going to mop the floor with zen5 and hence why they are releasing the X3DVCACHE variants earlier than expected to try to draw attention away from intel.
A very clever marketing move from AMD, don't you think so, but AMD will soon realize that FOMO is going to kick in sooner or later and will once again take a page from Intel's book and reverse engineer Intel's hybrid architecture beginning with the AM6 socket AMD will introduce a tri-hybrid architecture that will introduce 3 types of cores:
T-Cores = Turbo Cores
B-Cores = Booster Cores
L-Cores = Lag Cores
And then AMD will also have a scheduler calling it THREAD MANAGER.
AMD fanboys/girls answer this question.
Why does AMD always be copying intel? Why can't they innovate and be original on their own?
Sounds like sales will suffer if everyone is waiting for the X3D chips
I'll be running my 5800x3d and RTX 3090 till the day that I die thanks to the Economy. All THAT NEW SHIT is for Rich Folks. Hey Lisa, thank Joe.
@@Chiefgeargrinder cry in i5 4460 + gtx 1060 3gb xD
Can't wait. Super hyped for official reviews.
This channel's name should be changed to Mentally Challenged, this guy and Gamer Meld are hands down the WORST tech news channels on youtube, pure clickbait and exaggerations galore.
and you keep coming back. Lol
Why is everyone complaining about Zen 5? Huge overclocking headroom because of massive power efficiency When EVERYONE knows AMD's 3D-VCache processors are the real deal AMD flagship.
X3D? More like "Extreme, and I can't wait to see!" 👍
Get project lasso or process lasso if you have amd. Whichever it's called. They need to up the cores per chiplet (not gonna happen this time) and get x3d out ASAP. The prices rumored going around for initial launch has about at much hype as the 7000 series. It's not going to do that great, i think the x3d will or the cheaper 7800x3d will. That past launch lead to tons of bundles, free ram, etc wouldn't be surprised if that happened again
Yes I too hope they have a good bundle with 64GB of 9000Mhz ram. But also need to get a loan to pay for it. LOL
I feel like you're hyping this up what's 28% gain it's not as big as 50% but from the sound of it it looks like the new processors will be more power efficient and cooler which is an awesome move in my book
Has anyone else wondered what could be achieved if AMD stacked the additional vCache across the two dies... giving vCache coherance as well as acting like an additional high bandwidth infinity fabric interconnect
This. Intel may have something in the works that is similar called "Adamannite cache"
@@BIG_HAMZinteresting will see what it will do and how it will perform.
@BIG_HAMZ Knowing Intel's luck it may as sell be called "Adamantium" cache because it's got to deflect so serious "Vibranium" from AMDs direction...
On a serious note I had a quick read and it mentions Intels attempt as an L4 cache. Obviously the further down the cache hierarchy the slower cache normally becomes. This is where AMDs stacked cache is a revolution fusing through TSV's. Adding cache to a CPU is not a new thing.. I used to have chips on my 386, a simm/dimm type thing on my 486, and I think the final external cache solution was the Slot type P2/P3's.
@@craigmcmeechan5899 Yes, it’s not the same but achieved the same goal… to limit the reliance of dram memory hits. Even L4 cache is much faster than ram. My understanding is adamantine uses a node specialized for cache and has been stated to be able to contain up to 8gb of cache in a single chip. This would probably be a chip with a huge die area such as one of their xeons though.
Potentially even having a Top and Bottom Infinity Bus, it would do wonders to latency and bandwidth. Aligning the three chips with precision being the likely issue. Hopefully AMD/TSMC can figure this out.
Yeah, I don't think AMD will make the same mistake of putting v-cache on only one CCD just to "park" the other during gaming.
I have no disposable uncome to upgrade a pc yet, so I'm fine waiting a year. This is gonna be the biggest upgrade I have ever done to my cpu. I'm currently on 11400f
Oh trust me it will! I went from an i5 10400f to a Ryzen 7 7800x3D and noticed huge gains in performance in all games I play. I play a lot of strategy games with lots of AI calculations and this CPU doesn't even break a sweat. Really good performance for 1% lows and average FPS.
Same bro, im still on i7-8700 - a 9800X3D would absolutely crush
ive heard a rumor it might be even higher
I hope AMD will fix issues like the 7950X3D has. Otherwise it’s most likely that the performance won’t be much better than the 7000 series. The regular 9000 series is weak. So I don’t expect the X3D versions to be better. Also pricing will probably just be as disappointing.
2x cache bandwidth will help zen 5 x3d alot
what's the point of releasing x3D version of the cpus one month after the non x3d version?
Because the nonX3D Zen 5 CPU's are a flop.
How much do we think the top x3d will cost???
500-650. I wouldn't imagine it would go over 700.
I feel they should have only one or two non x3d chips from this point on. One non x 3d of the highest tier chip and lowest tier.
when is the release date
Why cant AMD just make 9950x3d have 3d vcache on both ccds?
Because 3d vcache really only benefits gamers and not users intending for a productivity workstation. That's why it's a mix to accommodate both.
I jumped on the bandwagon early and got a 13900K when it first came out in 2022 and I've had nothing but problems ever since. The worst Intel CPU I ever owned in over 30+ years. It was so bad that Intel agreed my CPU was defective and replaced it under warranty. The stability problems seemed like they were solved but the replacement CPU is starting to act up. I am done with Intel and I'm going AMD as soon as the Zen 5 X3D chips are available. In fact, I may not wait. I'm so sick of Intel that I might take a ride to Micro Center this weekend and buy an X670E based motherboard and 7800X3D to use until September when the new chips come out, then get a 9950X3D.
Seems odd they would want you to push windows 10 when it is EOL and going to lose support soon.
Have you ever consistently watched someone post so much, and say so little?
When is it coming out ? I know none of 3d is aug 15th
говорят, что в октябре, а возможно в конце года. 7800x3d вышел спустя 7 месяцев после выхода 7000 серии... но тогда он еще разрабатывался и тестировался. 9800 должен выйти быстрее... 2-3 месяца, думаю
I don't believe them. X3d on 7000 series couldn't overclock normally by increasing voltage because it was literally exploding. Stacking memory on top of the die is very limited. The workaround was undervolting to the limit so you could crank the mhz just a tad more. I have no confidence that unless they physically move the 3d cache that it can be solved.
yes you know better than AMD engineers
@@supernice_auto From the whole fiasco when people were blowing up their 7000 series 3xd chips, it seems they didn't know anything or else they could have told motherboard manufacturers to limit voltage increases. Based on previous examples, you somehow believe it'll be different this time around?
Well well well
Lucky to get 5% increase new gen really messed up😂
Man I wish we could block channels from search results
Will the cache size be increased?
No, Zen 5 CPUs Is To Feature Same 3D V-Cache As Ryzen 7000X3D: 9950X & 9900X With 128 MB, 9800X3D With 96 MB L3
thanks
how many times will the % numbers change on this dudes thumbnails before everyone realizes he's %100 full of crap
Ummm I thought you couldn't overclock x3d???
Nowadays you can't, but some news point that we'll be able to overclock it
Zen 4 X3D cannot be easily overclocked. What makes Zen 5 X3D so exciting is that AMD is (GOD-willing) enabling full overclocking support!
amd win?
Interesting
no integrated gpu? that has really come in handy over the years.
Whats the point to release the 9th series if the new motherboards wont be available on time !!
Because 9th series is compatible with x670 boards and there is very minimal gains with x870 boards. So why delay the chips then!!
The biggest difference between the mobo is in the name. I don't know who really needs the usb 4 ports but rest of the stuff are same with 600 chips
nai kiya ye dekho
us seller se item leni ek 6000 will ko pig ko deni
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Chiplets are outdated. Like I said before, time is running out for AMD because Intel is about to dethrone them and AMD themselves know that arrow lake is going to mop the floor with zen5 and hence why they are releasing the X3DVCACHE variants earlier than expected to try to draw attention away from intel.
A very clever marketing move from AMD, don't you think so, but AMD will soon realize that FOMO is going to kick in sooner or later and will once again take a page from Intel's book and reverse engineer Intel's hybrid architecture beginning with the AM6 socket AMD will introduce a tri-hybrid architecture that will introduce 3 types of cores:
T-Cores = Turbo Cores
B-Cores = Booster Cores
L-Cores = Lag Cores
And then AMD will also have a scheduler calling it THREAD MANAGER.
AMD fanboys/girls answer this question.
Why does AMD always be copying intel? Why can't they innovate and be original on their own?
Why 64bit is also called as amd64?
No need to be a fanboy, competition is good for us, customers..
😂😂😂
Idk if you live under a rock but Intel has been playing catchup for YEARS at this point. AMD is the one innovating to not only provide faster chips at better power efficiency, but for cheaper too.
@@ccfirat Why even stop there. AMD had the IMC first and single die dual cores as well. Intel literally glued together 2 dies to replicate what AMD did with 1 Opteron die. Now Intel is adopting chiplets years after AMD. AMD has been the primary innovator for X86 platforms. Intel was trying to push Itanium for 64bit computing I feel almost entirely because they wouldn't be bound to the agreement that forces them to share X86 with AMD. They made a deal and almost immediately tried to renege because AMD turned out superior products.