Well edited! I dont like the GS stigma personally. I'm less of a sheep and went with the RS as prefer the more sportier bike and much nicer handling. The bolt upright position personally hurts my lower back so I like slightly leant forward position.
I am the same, tried ktm 1290GT and to straight, GS would be the same. Slight lean forward is also so much better for my back and... million times better for trail braking, to feel grip of the front. Seating on GS or KTM straight, you loose all the fun.
If you know how to ride you take the wait of your wrists by using your core or legs on the tank to take the weight or failing that bar risers . Rs is a far better road bike for my size the gs is just oversized
I've always preferred the 'sports-tourer' riding position, leant slightly forward with the windblast lifting the weight off the wrists and tension in the calf muscle lifting some weight off the buttox. I got the Tiger 1200 XRx to cope with our disintegrating and decrepit roads, but prefer riding my K1300S - if only it had the 190mm suspension travel of the Triumph.
Your conclusion agrees with my rather expensive mistake to buy an RS then switch to GS after 6 months. At 5ft 11inches tall and 63 years old I'm no sport bike rider! Top review!
As a current 1200 GS owner after watching this series of vids on the RS I decided to test ride one. As you say they each have their advantages and disadvantages and depending on your priorities one of them will come out on top. I guess if the gave the choice to current 1200 RS riders most would choose the RS while for the GS the opposite would be true. RS wise I liked the lower seat height, the handling was rock solid and it was easier to filter and squirt past cars in NSLs and it's about 1k cheaper than a similar GS. However at 5'7" I found the stretch to the bars too much-my hands and fingers were tingling after 45 minutes, the weather protection was better and less noisy on the GS, I preferred the higher more upright seating position which gave me better visibility and the overall comfort was better too. To me the perfect compromise between the 2 would be the gear ratios, suspension and wheels of the RS with the rider ergonomics of the GS. In effect a totally road focused GS maybe the equivalent of a 1250R with a top fairing would be a good starting point. Now THAT would be a bike I'd buy.
Great one as usually TMF. Many people that haven't ridden a GS just don't understand how well it handles. I also don't know why people say, "i'll never go off road." Not sure what that has to do with anything. On a 2k mile trip, all paved, the GS was amazing in every way...and when you hit back country roads that are patched up, potholes, or a bit of gravel...you don't have to worry
The GS/GSA is absolutely stunning in all of it’s utilitarian regalia. That bike just exudes specialness. No matter how many might be seen on the road where you are. Here in the US it’s probably more special when seen. With so many Harley’s everywhere looking alike the GS/GSA configuration is pure “do it all and go anywhere” special equipment motorcycling. Like an Adventure should be.
I actually have both these bikes, a 2020 R 1250RS, and a 2017 R1200GSA I couldn't get rid of the GSA so I added the RS to my stable. I agree that the RS is harder to maneuver in the driveway, but I think this is due to the larger turning radius on the RS, but the RS the sportbike. The RS and the GSA are great in the twisties, I do find that I can push the RS much further in the corners, again a sportbike. The GSA is much more comfortable for the long runs as I am 6'1" with a 32" inseam, and I do love to find a good off-road track. It's and great having one style engine to maintain, one set of controls to mess with, and one GPS! SO for me, having both fit my needs for speed and off-road!
My wife owned an R1200R(LC) as well and has recently upgraded to an R1250R. Her main reason is because she is on the short side. When we are doing longer trips, by the time she has the crash bars fitted, hand guards, sump guard and has Conti TKC70 tyres on, she has a very capable all-roads tourer. Sort of a super-low R1250GS.
Bought a 1994 RS in 2008 went around Great Lakes,Visited Mount Rushmore and Blue Ridge mountain.great bike to travel on,good gas mileage,adjustable seat and handlebars,plus abs brakes
Isn't it sad that with such an incredible selection of bikes available to us all that the GS has such a bad stigma attached because they're are so many of them on the road. Not being a current GS rider but having owned one or two there is a very good reason there are so many of them.......they are stonkingly good bikes! Get over it people and just enjoy any form of power two wheels before legislation has us all riding wind powered skate boards! As usual a great balanced video TMF. Thank you David
Excellent comment indeed :) I have to agree, but spending 90% of the time in city traffic, I can´t avoid a certain degree of antipathy towards the bulkiness of the GS when I see one of them. It reminds me off all the people driving those giant X5s and similar SUVs, that barely fit in one lane, and never really driving them off-road. I can´t help to think that it´s not the appropriate tool for the real usage that many buyers give them. I think if I´d buy a BMW I´d lean myself towards the S1000XR.
First time back to your fab channel in over a year, must apologise but I have been so busy with my new venture (motorcycle action photography) I have just bought a GS from Bahnstormer Alton after owning an RT and I love the GS. I can see why you and so many others keep banging on about them, they are a truly an amazing piece of kit and I haven't stopped smiling since. Long live the GS. As always thanks for sharing :)
Thanks for coming back Shane - wondered where you had been! You have some catching up to do - can I recommend "Bikes v Plane" and the videos I recorded with Allen Millyard???
TheMissendenFlyer Cheers, I will try and watch it this evening. My wife and I have just finished watching your good self and Mrs TMF enjoying some winter sun, it looked spot on. Will most probably give them a whirl hopefully towards the end of next summer. As always cheers for the videos and the excellent content 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Donˋt forget the superior tank capacity of the gs. Love the looks of the rs,though.....i ride the the r1200r perfect for me (also 5´8). Thank you for another great video...addicted. At age 61,sitting comfort(R,GS) is a convincing factor. Cheers!
Love the review as usual Andy , my 2016 Adventure GS experience ? Loved it for 800km until the engine ate itself , just bad luck I guess , we have to remind ourselves that one lady travelled the world on an R90-6 , one recently on a Honda CRF250, and old grumpy Ted on a Triumph 650 ?… were a bit spoilt for choice with Motorcycles in the present, not many bad (if any) bikes around, you pays yer money as they say💰
Interesting vid and being about to undertake a weekly long distance commute I have been trying all sorts to find the perfect tool. Currently have a Triumph Sprint GT and thought I found the answer in the Tiger Explorer Low.....like you I am short and don't go off road. Then I rode the R1250RT....pick it up Saturday. What an incredible bike and perfect for my needs, certainly wont suit everyone but perfect for me. Your video's and road tests helped me find the solution though so thank you
I swap between a gs and rs on tour a lot and you've missed a few biggies : telever vs telescopic forks ! Turning circle is chalk and cheese. The rs is pinned at very high speed the gs is not. If you are tall the rs is not for you. Rolling acceleration 1200 vs 1200 the rs pulls away from the gs (same revs) as it has a different tune. Weather protection better on gs... The rs is a better handling road bike (very different handling experience) And one final whinge, the GS is more than a quarter of a ton .. So if you want a proper off roader get one with 100 kg less...
What do you think about this as a commuter? I've had a little honda cb400 for 3 years that I daily, I do a LOT of filtering and love how small it is but really fancy a rs but worried it will be too cumbersome to filter.
I went through this conundrum. I seriously considered an RS, it really is a great bike, but for all the reasons mentioned by TMF, plus a few others - not having to buy new panniers being one, I traded my old GS for a new GS. It is just such a great all round bike, and mine will never go off road, its a big comfortable tourer for me.
For me, anything has to aesthetically pleasing as well as practical. The missus is a prime example! I don’t find the GS good to look at and need a better off road bike than the GS can be (for Northern European green lanes). So for me it’d be a RS (aftermarket bars aren’t hard to find if that’s a problem) and a proper off-roader (which I’ve already got). Very good to hear your views though and a very interesting comparison.
I'm 6'3" and have just taken the plunge with an R1250RS Exclusive. For everyone saying that the riding position is crunched up if you're tall, I've gone for the Wunderlich High seat and that makes it very comfortable. I don't feel hunched up at all, but I'm only a 32" inside leg though so I suspect that may be partly why . Plus I'm switching from a '10 plate CB1000R so basically it feels like I'm in the lap of luxury right now! Now I just need Coronavirus to f'ing do one so I can get out on the road. She looks nice in the garage though :) Stay safe everyone.
I'm 6'1 and enjoyed riding the RS over short distances, but got knee cramps by the time I left the city limits. It is incredibly important for riders considering a purchase to take bikes for a test ride and ensure they're comfortable on the bike they're testing over the intended use scenario. In my mind this is by far the most important safety box a rider should tick and worth much more than even the incredible ABS that now comes as standard on bikes. Similarly, I so wish I could fit comfortably on an R9T, but alas they're not built for my frame especially once a person is used to the amazing comfort of a GS.
Very interesting to read! I'm old enough to remember the days when a motorbike was something you simply used to do everything - commuting, sports, touring, camping trips etc and if that meant going down non tar sealed roads that were dirt base and covered with gravel, so be it. One didn't 'need' niche bikes, and I've often wondered if this is down to marketing and increasing your sales through perceived model differentiation as much as anything. And I've often wondered if something like an RS or even an RT would handle said dirt/gravel roads provided you took it easy and exercised care.
@@PisceanboiMcLeod that is right John a standard bike is a very capable machine, I went on a Triumph day in Wales on a 900 street scrambler and you would not believe the kinds of terrain we covered.
Hi Andy. I own a RS and my brother has a GS, both of which are wintered in my garage. I have to disagree with you regarding moveability (is that a word?). I find the GS much more daunting, it’s just so big! and don’t get me started on the weight of the top box and panniers. Agree with you re comfort, the GS is more roomy but the RS has a more “planted” feel especially in cross winds. Best wishes Brian👽🛸
Great review and as a Honda, Yamaha and Ducati rider, it’s the GSA by a mile! Ultimate machine. BMW GSA is the benchmark now and has been bar 2003-2006 brake issues- every other Motorcycle manufacturing adventure bike sets its target on it. The triumph apes it. As does Ducati, Honda, Yamaha, Royal Enfield and Suzuki. If money was not an issue for many bikers you’d see even more GSA’s on the road. Well done Mr. Fly!
Ten years ago I’d have chosen the RS as I was a sports tourer kind of bloke (owned quite a few Kawasaki GPz’s from 1982 on, with the GPz900r being my all time favourite steed). I still love the frantic nature of a straight four over the boxer so I ride an XR which I absolutely love for the engine, performance, handling and “GS like” riding positions that suits my 56 year old frame...
Stuffy Duffer: Well, the XR is a bike I’m starting to reconsider, but 56? From my perspective, you’re still a kid. With the group of geezers I ride with, 76 is when the challenge really starts. That said, I waved 66 goodbye quite a while ago but - even though I still own and ride a sport bike too - somewhere along the line ergonomics started to trump my need for speed and lean angles. I tried the XR and found it a phenomenal bike, but it also made my butt burn and with hard panniers my experience is that it tossed around at high speed. That said, what’s your experience on long (500 kilometer plus) rides and hard winds? And, do you have an opinion on the 2020 XR? Cheers!
At 58, I am inclined to agree with you. For years I rode sporty standards, CB1100F and ZRX1200. The last few years I prefer an upright seating position and more leg room. The R1250GS is on my bucket list.
Walter Wilkins - Ha, anyone who thinks I’m still a kid is ok by me...! I don’t have the hard panniers so can’t comment about the high speed weave. One tester, The Baron from 44 Teeth, did say the XR weaves at 140mph but I’m not intending to check that out; I quite like my licence. The seat is comfortable for me for 7 hour rides (with a few coffee stops). Vibes have never been an issue at all. Mine is a 2018 so they’d already sorted the vibe issue with some early ones. Honestly, I quite like a few vibes - reminds me of the GPz’s from the 80’s. Crossed the Severn Bridge last summer when there was a very high side wind. No issues and quite good fun lent into it. On previous bikes, I used to look through the rear windows of cars I was following if I couldn’t position to see down either side. On the XR I look over their roofs which is perfect and makes for better situational awareness. It’s another reason I won’t go back to a sports bike (or even a sports tourer). The new 2020 bike looks like a nice upgrade but not a major evolution. I’m not fussed about TFT screens. Some folk are bleating about it not being 200HP but that’s just ridiculous; 165 is more than enough... When I change I will be looking at the KTM1290GT as well as the new XR. Happy riding...!
@@UncleWally3 Great to read of more mature age riders - I follow these discussions with avid interest, as 69 is coming up next year and I'm contemplating a return to two wheels. Needless to say friends think I'm mad...and i'm well aware of the increased danger with idiots on the roads, and the consequences of a fall and injuries as we get older; easy to do with wet roads and tram tracks, oil and sand on the roads etc. But for sports/touring and camping etc there is nothing better than motorcycling compared to a car IME. For me, comfort, safety, manageability are all concerns - if the bike is so heavy when moving it around the garage that you overbalance and drop it.. or the weather protection is so poor you get cold and wet.. these are all things to put one off. I think the key to continuing to ride as we get older is the bike that we can manage weight wise, and that is safe and comfortable. Here in Australia the GSA/GS and then RT are the biggest sellers - but the RT is only half the sales numbers of the GSA/GS which are about equal. And you can see why - there are huge distance to travel if you want to go serious touring and for such the 30 litre tank on the GSA is a very real benefit. If you go off the major highways, road conditions deteriorate markedly in terms of pot holes, lumps and bumps, and inevitably you are going to come across unmade roads - usually gravel over dirt - which can be anything from a short road to a campsite, or simply a section of highway that has yet to be tar sealed. Then there are the top loading aluminium panniers - excellent for camping - the crash bars if it tips over on the side stand on soft ground, good wind and weather protection (if not in the class of the RT) and all in all it's an extremely versatile package which I think is it's main appeal. The Range Rover of motorcycles perhaps. However, at 5' 9" or 176cm with a 32" inseam I find them formidably tall; daunting to clime aboard unless putting a foot up on a footpeg first, and can only sit with the balls of my feet touching the ground - not especially confidence inspiring albeit I've yet to try the lower seat option. Considering that I would never take it seriously off road, and IF an RS or RT could manage unmade gravel over dirt roads, taken with care, then they might be the better option FOR ME. A bit like choosing between an X5 BMW or a Five series BMW perhaps - and despite their versatility I'm not an SUV fan in general.
I’d have to agree with the GS over the RS. After owning what I would consider a better looking, more powerful GTL, I chose the GSA because it’s much better for just about every reason you can think of. More comfortable, longer range, easier to handle both in the garage, and on the road. On the road, on the GS/GSA, I don’t think twice about hitting a large pothole or debris in the road at highway speeds like I did on my other bikes, or even hopping a curb getting to and from the roadway because the suspension is much better at coping with it. Forget about the off-road, the GSA is a much better on road machine as well.
Great video - been watching a few of the back catalogue, my wife and step daughter put a deposit down at BMW for my Xmas present (I gave my step daughter my Suzuki!) but I've plumped for an RS just on the grounds that I never go off road and as much as I wanted an FJR1300 it was too expensive. Mrs C also preferred the pillion position on the RS, which was something I hadn't off expected. So I guess that helped my confirmation bias!
I own both, i find them different with the same great engine. I use the rs for everyday use with sportier roads escapades. I use the gsa for longer trips and offraod escapades. So for me either way they are great bikes😁
After 5 GS12s I went for a 1250RS. I’ve put 1” risers under the bars and fitted a taller screen. Very comfortable even with my long legs. On the GS my weight was directly downwards on my arse. Being lent forward a bit on the RS I find better. The only thing I would ask is for BMW to make a adapter kit so I could fit Vario luggage.
Thanks for this video. I, too am vertically challenged (29” leg). My R1250GS is the low version and I love it. However it is a bit of a stretch to get on and off, especially wearing leathers and with the panniers fitted. Following your review I’ll borrow an RS when mine goes in for it’s service in April and see how it goes!
I've been waiting for this comparison for a little while. - Nicely put together and as ever, well edited and insightful. Unlike you - I'm a full sized gentleman at 6'6" - I really fancied an RS, in fact after my first ride of a 1200RS 2 yrs ago, I very nearly bought one. However - I ended up with a 2017 GSA and other than the physical size of it when trying to filter around London - It's the perfect bike. - But, in the back of my mind, I always questioned my decision - So thanks Andy. You've put my mind at rest. - Right decision. :)
Unrelated but thought of you today. My IAM Observer stopped at White Walthman Airfield for a debrief. Funny seeing where you often visit/fly from. It's the GS for me!
I’ve owned the RS for about 18 months. I did a very long tour this past Summer. NY to Nashville to Savannah to Florida and back to NY. About 8 days of riding. Rose straight through from NY to Nashville and found after 5 hours of straight riding (a gas stop) I was getting off the bike very frequently the rest of the trip to stretch and walk the pain of my butt off. Found I had to extend my legs forward on the bike often to stretch while riding. Love the bike, the ride, the looks etc but for me it just wasn’t the long distance tourer I was hoping it would be. I am trading in tomorrow for a 2021 GSA.
I’ve owned a RS for 15 months now and really enjoy it, I’ve added the Wunderlich bars to make it more comfortable. But at the age of 71 I’ve just added the GS to my stable for touring.
I would have thought a R1250R was a lighter option (rather than a RS). I think leg position is something we get used to. I found the leg position on a R1200RT more cramped than a Honda ST1300 PAN. I figured that Honda went for the ST position with the handlebar positioning, whilst BMW went for the RT position with legs tucked up more. Apart from the advantages of shaft drive I think it’s worth thinking outside of the box (-er). Enjoyed the video, thanks.
I always wanted the GSA but recently did a test ride on the R1250 and as much as I liked it it kinda opened my mind to other options and now I am looking between the RS and the RT 1250 just not sure which would be more comfortable for long distance riding I found the R 1250 good but I needed more wind protection
Yes very good point Sharp Bends, I should have mentioned that - I love the lack of fork dive on the GS. Great to hear from you as ever...all the best - TMF
I’d take the conventional front end of the RS over the GS telelever, there is much greater feedback from the from tyre and the amount of dive on the RS is limited and progressive, so no issues.
@@nigehaworth Nigel, my R1100RS (1993) has the Telelever and I find it gives great feedback. I've also found I can push the front end quite a bit more in down hill corners than I could my old R100GS or my current 900SS Ducati, which has a flick knife front end if pushed too hard.
Love them both. I have had three GSs though. I'm tall and the GS seating position seemed to suit me better. I don't go off road and I don't care what other people think of me as a GS rider/owner. I don't judge others on what they ride as that would be realky, really silly.
I own a 1200 GSA LC 2016 and I love it but now I see the things that are not ideal with it. The bike has almost 60000 Km and I am considering a change. The first thing that pops into my mind is the new 1250 GS (not adventure) but when I look at the prices, and the people who ride them I have the feeling that I am not part of the target market. So I considered the RS. It fits almost all the boxes and I like the looks of it too. But you messed up my plan of replacing my GSA with an RS. You reminded me why I like the GS and if I would change it to an RS I would always compare it and have the regret I did not chose the GS.
I had the RS as a loan bike when my 2013 GSA was getting serviced, it was fun for a bit but I wouldn't swap it, on a long tour of Europe + I live in Scotland the weather protection is better on the GS .As for off road I have on occasion been of the beaten track in Europe ,and it just adds another special aspect to biking for me ...as for the GS haters I didn't buy the bike to please you .just me .I'm happy for you to enjoy whatever you ride no matter what it is .people need to understand its just a comparison between an RS and a GS .the end, and thanks for doing it
I've had both the 1200RS and GS and currently have a 1250GS. I agree, the GS steals it mainly on comfort although I did prefer the handling on the RS because of the traditional telescopic forks which seem to give more feedback than the GS's telelevers.
Where I am in sunny South Wales (uk) there are loads of gs and ktm adventure bikes, I think it’s because we have mostly cut our teeth on enduro bikes from a young age and are just used to that riding position, I currently have a ktm 1090 and I’ve put more miles on that than any other road bike I’ve owned, it’s just comfortable 😃
Fully agree TMF. I purchased my R1250GS exclusive over the RS and KTM 1290SAS. I found the GS easier to ride (perhaps the bars), smoother than the KTM, and the most comfortable. I found the RS really cramped and it reminded me more of a Japanese bike for some reason. It came down to the GS or KTM. The KTM engine makes up for the lack of smoothness down low I think. The GS won me over. After 2.5 months of ownership however I have KTM envy every now and then. Then I go through a corner or light dirt road and remember why I love the GS. It awesome for commuting, twisty road or light dirt. I just love it !
Whilst I love the styling (& the ride) of the RS, my 6"1.5" frame is better suited to the GS. However, the standard RS & GS windshields subject my helmet to annoying turbulent airflow. If my next big bike is a BMW, it would be either the RT because the windshield can be adjusted perfectly for my height or the naked 1250R which, whilst it doesn't offer weather protection, I found the airflow to be smooth without the annoying helmet buffeting I found on the RS & GS.
@@holdencaulfied7492 have since swapped to a multistrada which is even worse!, the best setup i could get was a GSA screen with the mra x-creen tour on top
@@b1gd312 How do you like the 'Strada? That's one of the bikes on my list? btw, I recommend a small screen on any bike. Most riding trips are in the summer and you'll cook if you don't get any air on you. I bought a second hand Tiger 1050 once with a giant windscreen and I had to ride it home from the Central Valley in California...I almost stopped at Home Depot to buy a hacksaw and cut the damn thing off. I don't get why people buy motorcycles then act like they're allergic to wind... that's why we're in it, freedom of the open road, wind blowing through your hair etc.
@@holdencaulfied7492 it's being traded in for a SDGT next week, just did a four day trip away in Wales, turbulent non clean air or noisy as hell, won't touch a multistrada again, in contrast the KTM's, even the superadventure has miles better clean non turbulent air, the problem is, hours of rough air gives blurred vision, causes headaches etc, pretty dangerous actually, mirrors can appear blurred when it's actually your eyesight from the constant wind thrumming, so I completely understand why some people wouldn't like that 😂 The front end design on the 1260 Multi isn't great, look into it and you'll find owners often describe it as 'horrendous' and some have sold because of this, they've cured it slightly in the V4 with winglets, but these can't be retro fitted to older bikes
Good video and useful to know your thoughts Andy. It also depends on how many bikes you can own as owning more throne bike helps spread the different riding styles across multiple bikes. I recently rode the R1250R and really wanted to like it more than the GS but I abe to say that while the seat comfort was great the slightly canted forward riding position was uncomfortable after a while (for me anyway). My F850GS was actually slightly more difficult to manoeuvre than my R1200GS is despite being lighter. Also, not all GS variants are off road focused. I own a TE Exclusive and wouldn’t be crossing desert or muddy tracks but on the Rallye and Adventure variants you could. However, like yourself, I appreciate the comfort of the GS. The ease of manoeuvring it around and the fact it still cruises down the motorway as well as it does blasting around countryside lanes. Keep up the great work on the videos and safe riding.
I owned an RS for a year but it always gave me a pain at the base of my neck - even after fairly short rides. I raised the bars which helped but it never went away. I changed to the GS and did the NC500 in 3 days this year and never a hint of any aches or pains. So GS for me every day.
Well, I'm in the US middle Tennessee. Lots of twistys and a always temping side road that turns to gravel then dirt that turn turns into beautiful country side. So I bought a GS, very comfy on a long ride then very capable if you turn ....left... plus I think she just looks right when you load her down with panniers and bags for a road or camping trip.
I absolutely love the looks/style of the RS, but for me, an aging 62 years old and getting arthritic in the knees, I find the pegs too high. The riding position is great for about 25 to 30 minutes then I'm in enough discomfort to distract me! Currently the only bike I've ridden that I can manage more than an hour on is the Triumph Scrambler XE, (so just as well I'm a huge Triumph fan then!) and I think this will be my next bike.
When you’re travelling, you often unexpectedly encounter rough dodgy roads. Someone here says gravel roads don’t count as off road but Richy Vida seems to do just fine in these conditions with a GS but different story when caught out with his VFR! Have also been to campsite where the big tourers have had to be left at the top of the track or unloaded and get help to push them down to the pitch. As for seat height, I find it odd that you are only half an inch taller than me but claim parts of you body are three inches longer! I think you need to get a seamstress to do an official assessment of your inside leg! These type of vids are very entertaining by the way.
Having ridden both v recently, one thing I'd say is that the RS is no Sports Tourer - for one main reason: wind protection. That RS screen is not particularly effective. There is a reason BMW list it as a Sports bike, after all. I found the screen pretty much worthless, to be honest, at either of its settings. There is significant buffeting around the head, shoulders & arms. I know you can get an extended aftermarket screen for the RS but, having looked at them installed, the look then looks unbalanced/ clumsy. I ended up buying a GS; a 2021 Rallye TE with a lowered chassis (I'm vertically challenged). Absolutely love it.
Because the GS geometry turns faster and you could put some good sticky rubber on it. Then you got a B road weapon. Is there a bit more weather protection of the GS?
I don't follow this. So this brought about from criticism, that why buy a GS if you never take the bike off road? The verdict from this is that the GS is a more comfortable bike than the RS and you can do greater distances even though the handling is not sharp as the RS. Fair enough, but on that basis. I would have pitched the GS against the RT. On the sporty front, pitch the RS then against the roadster. That to me is more fair comparison? Or is the GS just simply the goldilocks bike of the BMW boxer stable?
I bought an R1250R back in June this year, but before I bought it I test rode an R1250GS to see what the fuss was all about. Anyway, as soon as I got up to speed I just couldnt beleive how noisy it was, wind noise I mean, it was literally deafening, so much so I cut the test ride short and returned to the dealer. Now I think this must be due to my height and /or torso length, I'm 6'2. So I wonder if the GS actually suits shorter riders ?!?!......Also, it seemed to make some weird noises from the engine, at times it was like there was a small German man trapped inside still working on the engine :) Anyway I bought the R, compared to the GS I found it an absolute dream to ride, smooth and quiet and generally easier. The downside to the R is the lack of wind protection, but then everything is a compromise... Just to add...I'm currently thinking about PX'ing the R for an RS to get the better wind protection. If I do, then I'd put the Wunderlich handlebars on it to give it more of an R riding position, but I've not made up my mind, not sure if its worth the extra ££££'s or not.
The GS TE is £16,360 and a similar spec'd RS Exclusive £15430 so just over £900 difference if you want the same bells and whistles on the RS. Out if the 2 which is more fun and engaging to ride MF and are the differences significant? I get the ease of moving the GS around and comfort of the GS but as I spend most of my time off motorways and don't do massive tours like you ultimate comfort isn't as important as the fun factor
My 2p. the telelever suspension is brilliant in comparison to the forks on the RS. The sat nav is in the right place. Visibility and turning circle are better on the Gs which is better for threading through traffic. Leverage through the bars, mirror position are better.Vario panniers are excellent.
Hi TMF - a perfect comparison and you’ve previously commented on the advantages of the GS’s front suspension too. There’s no doubt about it, that for us guys of a certain age the GS has it but cost is a factor too. I hope, in the future, you compare the GS with the new Multistrada; a pal of mine is changing to the Multistrada and he does a couple of lengthy European tours a year - your opinion would be great. Of course, and as recently discussed, the new Triumph 900 Tiger will/should enter the mix! Great set of comments you’ve received and handled like a true gent - a fly on the wall would be interesting! Yours aye, Alan
Admittedly, I paused the video after your opening statement about RS vs GS. I own neither. I do own a 2018 Tiger 1200 and people compare these type bikes to the likes of the new Jeep Wranglers - 99.99% are used to go to the cafes and grocery stores and never see off-road of any sort. When I bought my Tiger, I knew I wasn't going all "Ewan and Charlie" 'round the globe on it. I knew I would be on tarmac 99% of the time. But, guess what? When I do see the odd gravel road or dirt road I do not hesitate to explore it. That is why I bought what I bought. ;) Prior to the Tiger 1200 I had the Versys 1000 and on gravel it was perilous for me - that bike is simply not constructed for it.
As a taller rider I fitted risers to my 1200RS and it became the perfect bike. I thought about the 1250, but moved on to an XR last June, what a fantastic bike.
@@TheMissendenFlyer without riding one I'm not sure. There doesn't appear to be a lot of difference, other than lights, and some minor styling changes.
I took out a 1250 GSA in the spring for a 4 hour run and loved the way it rode but not the way it looked. I do like the look of the 1250 RS and so took one out for a similar 4 hour test ride in North Wales on Tuesday. Confidence inspiring handling even in the wet, bags of torque and a lovely light progressive throttle. However, coming from an FJR, I began to feel it was a bit on the small side for me (I'm 6 ft 2). So for me it would be neither. I'll stick with the FJR for now but am looking forward to trying out the new XR in the Spring
Mark333032 interesting as I’m considering FJR though haven’t yet tested. Seems great package albeit quite long in the tooth. I tested 1250 RS. Impressive though it felt quite long (wheelbase) and slow to turn in. Also a bit uncomfortable - I’m also 6’2” - though maybe the higher sports seat could help. Also considering RT. Any views on FJR vs RS vs RT much appreciated. Best. G.
Depends on the purpose or how you use the bike most often. Afternoon weekend backroad twisties. RS. Longer trips and tours. GS. GS makes for a better all a rounder though.
I am 6’5” and a 33” inside leg so it’s the GSA for me , I am on my second GSA now , the first being a triple black 2017 which I absolutely loved and now I ride the 1250 GSA HP TE Ralley which in my Opinion is even better
I have rode both bikes and I love the RS, however being 55 6'2 and 250 the riding position is not the best. I love the GS but the $$$ is too crazy. (plus having three children in college does not help haha) I love my 19 Versys 1000 SE. Great video. Keep up the good work!
I had the same dilemma before I bought my GS and because the last years i live in Germany, off road riding is not allowed and as an never-stop-hoping-EX-ADV-Rider and after a long time of comparison with pros and cons for each model, I set to my self the following "key" question: "How many years ago is the last time since i have been rode a bike without handguards? Do I want it to do it now?" The answer came naturally!
Y K My dealer(Wollaston, Northampton) fitted the hand guards from the GS onto my RS for me before I collected it. They are an exceptional piece of kit, the best way to make sure your gloves are water proof is by not getting them wet in the first place.
@@TheMissendenFlyer easily forgotten, good review , I found I was a little stretched out on the rs , other than that I loved it , the GS suits me better , I had a 14 64 plate WC and now have a 12.5 non adventure, fantastic bike go to the shops or Europe , scratch on b roads or blitz motorways .. so much torque it's the perfect road engine whilst returning mid 50s mixed riding .. I don't need to tell you that tho eh! Thanks for the vid ..
How much of a crouch do you sit on the RS as compared to a GS, I had a K1300s sportstourer and I was leaning forward much more in it, would cause fatigue in couple of hours
Cheers for the video my man, very nice. Enjoy your reviews as they are 'real world' or seem so to me. I'm thinking of getting either a GS or RS for commuting and some touring possibly. Have a R9T and Street Triple for fun! Any advice much appreciated.
RS for sure. So many ride the GS simply because of the great reviews which it thoroughly deserves, but never take the thing off road. For the majority of us who mainly ride tarmac and minimal off road, the RS is an absolute joy.
I tried the RS but a bit cramped compared to my GS, I'm 5'10' by the way. A friend went from a GS to a RS, only lasted three months till back on a GS. He's 5'8'. So we agree with you Andy.
Just because you own a GS, doesn’t mean you have to take it off road. I have owned Two (2) GS’s since 2008 and before that I had three Fireblade’s on the bounce and then a CB1300F as well as other bikes before them. Yes you can go off road on a GS, and it’s surprisingly good, bearing in mind the size and weight of it. The GS is very comfortable and is a bit of a jack of all trades. It makes a great tourer, but with much better handling than most tourers. Anybody who hasn’t ridden a GS should at least try one, the handling is quite incredible, considering it doesn’t look anything special. It is so easy to put luggage on and off, and deals with the extra weight of luggage and or pillion with ease. GS or RS, I honestly can’t see an area where the RS is significantly better than a GS. However with the GS you get the vario panniers, more comfort and the same engine performance and generally far greater flexibility in how you use the bike. I’m biased, but up until I found the GS, I changed my bike almost yearly. In the last Eleven years I’ve settled on the GS (owning two in that time) there’s a reason why.
I have to make the exact same decision this month. Have a test on the RS this week. I am 5 11, but really have a hard time with the top heavy GS at stops, granted it is not a city bike but it has never felt like i can control it at a standstill or getting it on the center stand. On the road it is a dream, but I get cramps in my upper back for some reason with this riding position. I am thinking the handle levels are too high and cause it. As for off road capability, the GS is the utlimate pro at it, but at this weight and bulk there really are better bikes to get there with that are much more nimble, but I rarely go that off piste. I’ll decide next week, but the RS looks like a winner for me. Let me know if you have heard of anyone else getting cramped upper back muscles. Thanks for the great review.
Well balanced vid as always TMF. Having just stepped off a GSA because mine simply let me down twice on two separate Euro tours (see vids on channel if anyone interested) I do agree with you. Even though mine went back for the new R1250RTR (love it) I still think the GS (particularly GSA) is the best all round bike on the planet and if like me you had the GSA then tank range and carrying capacity is simply superb. I took the RS for a full day recently and whilst it did everything it need to it simply didn't make me feel good about being onboard! We just had bad luck and this does happen even on the might GSA!
@@aunoates6617 Hi Aun, Mrs B here! You know me so well now, of course it shall be Mr B packing his pants into his jacket pockets! Hope you are well and get off TMF's channel (lol)
I would personally pick the RS as i prefer the looks of it
Well edited! I dont like the GS stigma personally. I'm less of a sheep and went with the RS as prefer the more sportier bike and much nicer handling. The bolt upright position personally hurts my lower back so I like slightly leant forward position.
I am the same, tried ktm 1290GT and to straight, GS would be the same. Slight lean forward is also so much better for my back and... million times better for trail braking, to feel grip of the front. Seating on GS or KTM straight, you loose all the fun.
I have a tiger 1200 and have the same problem. Lower back and ass pain from the upright seating position. I'm now looking for a Kawasaki z1000sx.
If you know how to ride you take the wait of your wrists by using your core or legs on the tank to take the weight or failing that bar risers . Rs is a far better road bike for my size the gs is just oversized
I've always preferred the 'sports-tourer' riding position, leant slightly forward with the windblast lifting the weight off the wrists and tension in the calf muscle lifting some weight off the buttox. I got the Tiger 1200 XRx to cope with our disintegrating and decrepit roads, but prefer riding my K1300S - if only it had the 190mm suspension travel of the Triumph.
Your conclusion agrees with my rather expensive mistake to buy an RS then switch to GS after 6 months. At 5ft 11inches tall and 63 years old I'm no sport bike rider! Top review!
I’m 70 and 6’2” and chose the rs
I received my RS two weeks ago and I absolutely love it. I totally agree to the people who say most GS buyers should have gotten a RS.
As a current 1200 GS owner after watching this series of vids on the RS I decided to test ride one. As you say they each have their advantages and disadvantages and depending on your priorities one of them will come out on top. I guess if the gave the choice to current 1200 RS riders most would choose the RS while for the GS the opposite would be true. RS wise I liked the lower seat height, the handling was rock solid and it was easier to filter and squirt past cars in NSLs and it's about 1k cheaper than a similar GS. However at 5'7" I found the stretch to the bars too much-my hands and fingers were tingling after 45 minutes, the weather protection was better and less noisy on the GS, I preferred the higher more upright seating position which gave me better visibility and the overall comfort was better too. To me the perfect compromise between the 2 would be the gear ratios, suspension and wheels of the RS with the rider ergonomics of the GS. In effect a totally road focused GS maybe the equivalent of a 1250R with a top fairing would be a good starting point. Now THAT would be a bike I'd buy.
which one makes you smile the most, buy that one
If your bike doesn't make you smile, you're on the wrong bike.
Very creative review switching between the two bikes. Flawless editing as well. Great job TMF
Thank you sir - I was quite pleased with that too!
Great one as usually TMF. Many people that haven't ridden a GS just don't understand how well it handles. I also don't know why people say, "i'll never go off road." Not sure what that has to do with anything. On a 2k mile trip, all paved, the GS was amazing in every way...and when you hit back country roads that are patched up, potholes, or a bit of gravel...you don't have to worry
Indeed - one of the best touring bikes I’ve yet found....
Hands down the GS for me. But I’m highly biased as an off pavement enthusiast. That switch back and forth comparison vid was cleverly done 👍🏼
The GS/GSA is absolutely stunning in all of it’s utilitarian regalia. That bike just exudes specialness. No matter how many might be seen on the road where you are. Here in the US it’s probably more special when seen. With so many Harley’s everywhere looking alike the GS/GSA configuration is pure “do it all and go anywhere” special equipment motorcycling. Like an Adventure should be.
I actually have both these bikes, a 2020 R 1250RS, and a 2017 R1200GSA I couldn't get rid of the GSA so I added the RS to my stable. I agree that the RS is harder to maneuver in the driveway, but I think this is due to the larger turning radius on the RS, but the RS the sportbike. The RS and the GSA are great in the twisties, I do find that I can push the RS much further in the corners, again a sportbike. The GSA is much more comfortable for the long runs as I am 6'1" with a 32" inseam, and I do love to find a good off-road track.
It's and great having one style engine to maintain, one set of controls to mess with, and one GPS!
SO for me, having both fit my needs for speed and off-road!
I was just in the shop yesterday looking at these exact models. Thank you TMF!
I chose the least popular R1200R (LC) instead and it is the bike most GS owners should consider. It does everything well.
My wife owned an R1200R(LC) as well and has recently upgraded to an R1250R. Her main reason is because she is on the short side. When we are doing longer trips, by the time she has the crash bars fitted, hand guards, sump guard and has Conti TKC70 tyres on, she has a very capable all-roads tourer. Sort of a super-low R1250GS.
Bought a 1994 RS in 2008 went around Great Lakes,Visited Mount Rushmore and Blue Ridge mountain.great bike to travel on,good gas mileage,adjustable seat and handlebars,plus abs brakes
Isn't it sad that with such an incredible selection of bikes available to us all that the GS has such a bad stigma attached because they're are so many of them on the road. Not being a current GS rider but having owned one or two there is a very good reason there are so many of them.......they are stonkingly good bikes! Get over it people and just enjoy any form of power two wheels before legislation has us all riding wind powered skate boards!
As usual a great balanced video TMF.
Thank you
David
Cheers David - and of course I completely agree, popularity is not a bad thing surely??
@@TheMissendenFlyer Indeed it's not Sir! Keep up the Stirling work 😉
Wind powered skateboard = boat = :)
Excellent comment indeed :) I have to agree, but spending 90% of the time in city traffic, I can´t avoid a certain degree of antipathy towards the bulkiness of the GS when I see one of them. It reminds me off all the people driving those giant X5s and similar SUVs, that barely fit in one lane, and never really driving them off-road. I can´t help to think that it´s not the appropriate tool for the real usage that many buyers give them. I think if I´d buy a BMW I´d lean myself towards the S1000XR.
Stigma? Sad? Naysayers are everywhere. One can view the glass half full or half empty. Who really cares. Just ride.
First time back to your fab channel in over a year, must apologise but I have been so busy with my new venture (motorcycle action photography) I have just bought a GS from Bahnstormer Alton after owning an RT and I love the GS. I can see why you and so many others keep banging on about them, they are a truly an amazing piece of kit and I haven't stopped smiling since. Long live the GS. As always thanks for sharing :)
Thanks for coming back Shane - wondered where you had been! You have some catching up to do - can I recommend "Bikes v Plane" and the videos I recorded with Allen Millyard???
TheMissendenFlyer Cheers, I will try and watch it this evening. My wife and I have just finished watching your good self and Mrs TMF enjoying some winter sun, it looked spot on. Will most probably give them a whirl hopefully towards the end of next summer. As always cheers for the videos and the excellent content 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Donˋt forget the superior tank capacity of the gs. Love the looks of the rs,though.....i ride the the r1200r perfect for me (also 5´8). Thank you for another great video...addicted. At age 61,sitting comfort(R,GS) is a convincing factor. Cheers!
I just like the basic motorcycle look and have always liked the R. I like the RnineT's a lot looks wise. Haven't had a chance to own a BMW yet though.
Love the review as usual Andy , my 2016 Adventure GS experience ? Loved it for 800km until the engine ate itself , just bad luck I guess , we have to remind ourselves that one lady travelled the world on an R90-6 , one recently on a Honda CRF250, and old grumpy Ted on a Triumph 650 ?… were a bit spoilt for choice with Motorcycles in the present, not many bad (if any) bikes around, you pays yer money as they say💰
Interesting vid and being about to undertake a weekly long distance commute I have been trying all sorts to find the perfect tool. Currently have a Triumph Sprint GT and thought I found the answer in the Tiger Explorer Low.....like you I am short and don't go off road. Then I rode the R1250RT....pick it up Saturday. What an incredible bike and perfect for my needs, certainly wont suit everyone but perfect for me. Your video's and road tests helped me find the solution though so thank you
I swap between a gs and rs on tour a lot and you've missed a few biggies : telever vs telescopic forks ! Turning circle is chalk and cheese. The rs is pinned at very high speed the gs is not. If you are tall the rs is not for you. Rolling acceleration 1200 vs 1200 the rs pulls away from the gs (same revs) as it has a different tune. Weather protection better on gs... The rs is a better handling road bike (very different handling experience) And one final whinge, the GS is more than a quarter of a ton .. So if you want a proper off roader get one with 100 kg less...
What do you think about this as a commuter? I've had a little honda cb400 for 3 years that I daily, I do a LOT of filtering and love how small it is but really fancy a rs but worried it will be too cumbersome to filter.
@@georgel3657what did you end up going for?
I went through this conundrum. I seriously considered an RS, it really is a great bike, but for all the reasons mentioned by TMF, plus a few others - not having to buy new panniers being one, I traded my old GS for a new GS. It is just such a great all round bike, and mine will never go off road, its a big comfortable tourer for me.
For me, anything has to aesthetically pleasing as well as practical. The missus is a prime example! I don’t find the GS good to look at and need a better off road bike than the GS can be (for Northern European green lanes). So for me it’d be a RS (aftermarket bars aren’t hard to find if that’s a problem) and a proper off-roader (which I’ve already got). Very good to hear your views though and a very interesting comparison.
Cheers Steve - great to hear from you again!
I'm 6'3" and have just taken the plunge with an R1250RS Exclusive. For everyone saying that the riding position is crunched up if you're tall, I've gone for the Wunderlich High seat and that makes it very comfortable. I don't feel hunched up at all, but I'm only a 32" inside leg though so I suspect that may be partly why . Plus I'm switching from a '10 plate CB1000R so basically it feels like I'm in the lap of luxury right now!
Now I just need Coronavirus to f'ing do one so I can get out on the road. She looks nice in the garage though :) Stay safe everyone.
Thanks. I was going for the RS...but your review is making me re-think.
Very nice comparison! As I already own a Z900RS Cafe, I would choose the GS. But I'm aware that's more a luxury problem.
I'm 6'1 and enjoyed riding the RS over short distances, but got knee cramps by the time I left the city limits. It is incredibly important for riders considering a purchase to take bikes for a test ride and ensure they're comfortable on the bike they're testing over the intended use scenario. In my mind this is by far the most important safety box a rider should tick and worth much more than even the incredible ABS that now comes as standard on bikes. Similarly, I so wish I could fit comfortably on an R9T, but alas they're not built for my frame especially once a person is used to the amazing comfort of a GS.
Yes the GS does let you stretch out a bit more - even for a smallish fella like me....
Hey Andy, I don’t know how you did it, but the audio transitions between the bikes was flawless - well done!
Just shows how similar those engines still are!
It's pretty easy, the audio is a separate channel to the video channel.
I have an RS, been to Morocco, Greece, and Scandinavia and all involved dirt roads and had no problems!
Very interesting to read! I'm old enough to remember the days when a motorbike was something you simply used to do everything - commuting, sports, touring, camping trips etc and if that meant going down non tar sealed roads that were dirt base and covered with gravel, so be it. One didn't 'need' niche bikes, and I've often wondered if this is down to marketing and increasing your sales through perceived model differentiation as much as anything. And I've often wondered if something like an RS or even an RT would handle said dirt/gravel roads provided you took it easy and exercised care.
@@PisceanboiMcLeod that is right John a standard bike is a very capable machine, I went on a Triumph day in Wales on a 900 street scrambler and you would not believe the kinds of terrain we covered.
Hi Andy. I own a RS and my brother has a GS, both of which are wintered in my garage. I have to disagree with you regarding moveability (is that a word?). I find the GS much more daunting, it’s just so big! and don’t get me started on the weight of the top box and panniers. Agree with you re comfort, the GS is more roomy but the RS has a more “planted” feel especially in cross winds. Best wishes Brian👽🛸
Great review and as a Honda, Yamaha and Ducati rider, it’s the GSA by a mile! Ultimate machine. BMW GSA is the benchmark now and has been bar 2003-2006 brake issues- every other Motorcycle manufacturing adventure bike sets its target on it. The triumph apes it. As does Ducati, Honda, Yamaha, Royal Enfield and Suzuki. If money was not an issue for many bikers you’d see even more GSA’s on the road. Well done Mr. Fly!
Ten years ago I’d have chosen the RS as I was a sports tourer kind of bloke (owned quite a few Kawasaki GPz’s from 1982 on, with the GPz900r being my all time favourite steed). I still love the frantic nature of a straight four over the boxer so I ride an XR which I absolutely love for the engine, performance, handling and “GS like” riding positions that suits my 56 year old frame...
Stuffy Duffer: Well, the XR is a bike I’m starting to reconsider, but 56? From my perspective, you’re still a kid. With the group of geezers I ride with, 76 is when the challenge really starts. That said, I waved 66 goodbye quite a while ago but - even though I still own and ride a sport bike too - somewhere along the line ergonomics started to trump my need for speed and lean angles. I tried the XR and found it a phenomenal bike, but it also made my butt burn and with hard panniers my experience is that it tossed around at high speed. That said, what’s your experience on long (500 kilometer plus) rides and hard winds? And, do you have an opinion on the 2020 XR? Cheers!
At 58, I am inclined to agree with you. For years I rode sporty standards, CB1100F and ZRX1200. The last few years I prefer an upright seating position and more leg room. The R1250GS is on my bucket list.
Walter Wilkins - Ha, anyone who thinks I’m still a kid is ok by me...!
I don’t have the hard panniers so can’t comment about the high speed weave. One tester, The Baron from 44 Teeth, did say the XR weaves at 140mph but I’m not intending to check that out; I quite like my licence.
The seat is comfortable for me for 7 hour rides (with a few coffee stops).
Vibes have never been an issue at all. Mine is a 2018 so they’d already sorted the vibe issue with some early ones. Honestly, I quite like a few vibes - reminds me of the GPz’s from the 80’s.
Crossed the Severn Bridge last summer when there was a very high side wind. No issues and quite good fun lent into it.
On previous bikes, I used to look through the rear windows of cars I was following if I couldn’t position to see down either side. On the XR I look over their roofs which is perfect and makes for better situational awareness. It’s another reason I won’t go back to a sports bike (or even a sports tourer).
The new 2020 bike looks like a nice upgrade but not a major evolution. I’m not fussed about TFT screens. Some folk are bleating about it not being 200HP but that’s just ridiculous; 165 is more than enough...
When I change I will be looking at the KTM1290GT as well as the new XR.
Happy riding...!
Stuffy Duffer, Thanks, getting real world feedback like that is golden.
@@UncleWally3 Great to read of more mature age riders - I follow these discussions with avid interest, as 69 is coming up next year and I'm contemplating a return to two wheels. Needless to say friends think I'm mad...and i'm well aware of the increased danger with idiots on the roads, and the consequences of a fall and injuries as we get older; easy to do with wet roads and tram tracks, oil and sand on the roads etc.
But for sports/touring and camping etc there is nothing better than motorcycling compared to a car IME. For me, comfort, safety, manageability are all concerns - if the bike is so heavy when moving it around the garage that you overbalance and drop it.. or the weather protection is so poor you get cold and wet.. these are all things to put one off.
I think the key to continuing to ride as we get older is the bike that we can manage weight wise, and that is safe and comfortable. Here in Australia the GSA/GS and then RT are the biggest sellers - but the RT is only half the sales numbers of the GSA/GS which are about equal.
And you can see why - there are huge distance to travel if you want to go serious touring and for such the 30 litre tank on the GSA is a very real benefit. If you go off the major highways, road conditions deteriorate markedly in terms of pot holes, lumps and bumps, and inevitably you are going to come across unmade roads - usually gravel over dirt - which can be anything from a short road to a campsite, or simply a section of highway that has yet to be tar sealed.
Then there are the top loading aluminium panniers - excellent for camping - the crash bars if it tips over on the side stand on soft ground, good wind and weather protection (if not in the class of the RT) and all in all it's an extremely versatile package which I think is it's main appeal. The Range Rover of motorcycles perhaps.
However, at 5' 9" or 176cm with a 32" inseam I find them formidably tall; daunting to clime aboard unless putting a foot up on a footpeg first, and can only sit with the balls of my feet touching the ground - not especially confidence inspiring albeit I've yet to try the lower seat option.
Considering that I would never take it seriously off road, and IF an RS or RT could manage unmade gravel over dirt roads, taken with care, then they might be the better option FOR ME.
A bit like choosing between an X5 BMW or a Five series BMW perhaps - and despite their versatility I'm not an SUV fan in general.
I’d have to agree with the GS over the RS. After owning what I would consider a better looking, more powerful GTL, I chose the GSA because it’s much better for just about every reason you can think of. More comfortable, longer range, easier to handle both in the garage, and on the road.
On the road, on the GS/GSA, I don’t think twice about hitting a large pothole or debris in the road at highway speeds like I did on my other bikes, or even hopping a curb getting to and from the roadway because the suspension is much better at coping with it. Forget about the off-road, the GSA is a much better on road machine as well.
Great video - been watching a few of the back catalogue, my wife and step daughter put a deposit down at BMW for my Xmas present (I gave my step daughter my Suzuki!) but I've plumped for an RS just on the grounds that I never go off road and as much as I wanted an FJR1300 it was too expensive. Mrs C also preferred the pillion position on the RS, which was something I hadn't off expected. So I guess that helped my confirmation bias!
Very nice - enjoy your new bike!
RS! Never offroad and find the RS much, much better looking. Easy! :-) A really good topic mr Flyer.
I own both, i find them different with the same great engine. I use the rs for everyday use with sportier roads escapades. I use the gsa for longer trips and offraod escapades. So for me either way they are great bikes😁
After 5 GS12s I went for a 1250RS. I’ve put 1” risers under the bars and fitted a taller screen. Very comfortable even with my long legs. On the GS my weight was directly downwards on my arse. Being lent forward a bit on the RS I find better. The only thing I would ask is for BMW to make a adapter kit so I could fit Vario luggage.
Thanks for this video. I, too am vertically challenged (29” leg). My R1250GS is the low version and I love it. However it is a bit of a stretch to get on and off, especially wearing leathers and with the panniers fitted. Following your review I’ll borrow an RS when mine goes in for it’s service in April and see how it goes!
I think you'll like it David - whether you like it more than your GS I'd be interested to hear!
I've been waiting for this comparison for a little while. - Nicely put together and as ever, well edited and insightful.
Unlike you - I'm a full sized gentleman at 6'6" - I really fancied an RS, in fact after my first ride of a 1200RS 2 yrs ago, I very nearly bought one.
However - I ended up with a 2017 GSA and other than the physical size of it when trying to filter around London - It's the perfect bike. - But, in the back of my mind, I always questioned my decision - So thanks Andy. You've put my mind at rest. - Right decision. :)
I think the GS makes more sense in every way. Plus if you fancy going off road at some point, you can.
My hang up is the RS vs Super Duke GT.
Unrelated but thought of you today. My IAM Observer stopped at White Walthman Airfield for a debrief. Funny seeing where you often visit/fly from. It's the GS for me!
Top Place - I shall be there tomorrow!
I’ve owned the RS for about 18 months. I did a very long tour this past Summer. NY to Nashville to Savannah to Florida and back to NY. About 8 days of riding. Rose straight through from NY to Nashville and found after 5 hours of straight riding (a gas stop) I was getting off the bike very frequently the rest of the trip to stretch and walk the pain of my butt off. Found I had to extend my legs forward on the bike often to stretch while riding. Love the bike, the ride, the looks etc but for me it just wasn’t the long distance tourer I was hoping it would be. I am trading in tomorrow for a 2021 GSA.
Yes the GSA is a bit longer in the leg - better for longer stints for sure.....
I’ve owned a RS for 15 months now and really enjoy it, I’ve added the Wunderlich bars to make it more comfortable. But at the age of 71 I’ve just added the GS to my stable for touring.
Nice one!
I would have thought a R1250R was a lighter option (rather than a RS). I think leg position is something we get used to. I found the leg position on a R1200RT more cramped than a Honda ST1300 PAN. I figured that Honda went for the ST position with the handlebar positioning, whilst BMW went for the RT position with legs tucked up more. Apart from the advantages of shaft drive I think it’s worth thinking outside of the box (-er). Enjoyed the video, thanks.
I have a 2019 GSA and love it. I am going to Norway with Edelweiss next summer and have rented an RS as it will be all tarmac.
I always wanted the GSA but recently did a test ride on the R1250 and as much as I liked it it kinda opened my mind to other options and now I am looking between the RS and the RT 1250 just not sure which would be more comfortable for long distance riding I found the R 1250 good but I needed more wind protection
Telelever front end suspension might sway your choice one way or the other as well...
Yes very good point Sharp Bends, I should have mentioned that - I love the lack of fork dive on the GS. Great to hear from you as ever...all the best - TMF
I’d take the conventional front end of the RS over the GS telelever, there is much greater feedback from the from tyre and the amount of dive on the RS is limited and progressive, so no issues.
@@nigehaworth Nigel, my R1100RS (1993) has the Telelever and I find it gives great feedback. I've also found I can push the front end quite a bit more in down hill corners than I could my old R100GS or my current 900SS Ducati, which has a flick knife front end if pushed too hard.
Hi M, really informative piece. I was considering the relative merits of both bikes and you posted your video. cheers Pete
Mind reading is just one of my talents!! 👍
Love them both. I have had three GSs though. I'm tall and the GS seating position seemed to suit me better. I don't go off road and I don't care what other people think of me as a GS rider/owner. I don't judge others on what they ride as that would be realky, really silly.
I own a 1200 GSA LC 2016 and I love it but now I see the things that are not ideal with it. The bike has almost 60000 Km and I am considering a change. The first thing that pops into my mind is the new 1250 GS (not adventure) but when I look at the prices, and the people who ride them I have the feeling that I am not part of the target market. So I considered the RS. It fits almost all the boxes and I like the looks of it too. But you messed up my plan of replacing my GSA with an RS. You reminded me why I like the GS and if I would change it to an RS I would always compare it and have the regret I did not chose the GS.
Great video TMF. Good comparison. I like my GSA, lots of fuel capacity, comfortable & versatile. The RS is a good looking bike though.
I had the RS as a loan bike when my 2013 GSA was getting serviced, it was fun for a bit but I wouldn't swap it, on a long tour of Europe + I live in Scotland the weather protection is better on the GS .As for off road I have on occasion been of the beaten track in Europe ,and it just adds another special aspect to biking for me ...as for the GS haters I didn't buy the bike to please you .just me .I'm happy for you to enjoy whatever you ride no matter what it is .people need to understand its just a comparison between an RS and a GS .the end, and thanks for doing it
BMB I’m a RS owner and also have ridden GS often. I don’t know how you can say there is better weather protection with the GS.
@@brianmcbain6997 For me it is
BMB
Brian Mc Bain, BMB, RS, GS I’m getting confused here.... Are you brothers??
Rolli Polli No👽
I've had both the 1200RS and GS and currently have a 1250GS. I agree, the GS steals it mainly on comfort although I did prefer the handling on the RS because of the traditional telescopic forks which seem to give more feedback than the GS's telelevers.
Yes good point - although I do like the telelevers lack of dive under braking......
A comparison of the RS over the RT would be interesting since they are almost identical ... thanks for posting another great vid 😁
Where I am in sunny South Wales (uk) there are loads of gs and ktm adventure bikes, I think it’s because we have mostly cut our teeth on enduro bikes from a young age and are just used to that riding position, I currently have a ktm 1090 and I’ve put more miles on that than any other road bike I’ve owned, it’s just comfortable 😃
Fully agree TMF. I purchased my R1250GS exclusive over the RS and KTM 1290SAS.
I found the GS easier to ride (perhaps the bars), smoother than the KTM, and the most comfortable. I found the RS really cramped and it reminded me more of a Japanese bike for some reason.
It came down to the GS or KTM. The KTM engine makes up for the lack of smoothness down low I think.
The GS won me over. After 2.5 months of ownership however I have KTM envy every now and then. Then I go through a corner or light dirt road and remember why I love the GS. It awesome for commuting, twisty road or light dirt. I just love it !
Many of us do it seems!
Whilst I love the styling (& the ride) of the RS, my 6"1.5" frame is better suited to the GS. However, the standard RS & GS windshields subject my helmet to annoying turbulent airflow. If my next big bike is a BMW, it would be either the RT because the windshield can be adjusted perfectly for my height or the naked 1250R which, whilst it doesn't offer weather protection, I found the airflow to be smooth without the annoying helmet buffeting I found on the RS & GS.
Has my GS 6 months, tried many screens, still not fixed the issue, even changed my lid to rule that out
@@b1gd312 I had a 2011 GS, I just took the windscreen off, problem solved!
@@holdencaulfied7492 have since swapped to a multistrada which is even worse!, the best setup i could get was a GSA screen with the mra x-creen tour on top
@@b1gd312 How do you like the 'Strada? That's one of the bikes on my list?
btw, I recommend a small screen on any bike. Most riding trips are in the summer and you'll cook if you don't get any air on you. I bought a second hand Tiger 1050 once with a giant windscreen and I had to ride it home from the Central Valley in California...I almost stopped at Home Depot to buy a hacksaw and cut the damn thing off. I don't get why people buy motorcycles then act like they're allergic to wind... that's why we're in it, freedom of the open road, wind blowing through your hair etc.
@@holdencaulfied7492 it's being traded in for a SDGT next week, just did a four day trip away in Wales, turbulent non clean air or noisy as hell, won't touch a multistrada again, in contrast the KTM's, even the superadventure has miles better clean non turbulent air, the problem is, hours of rough air gives blurred vision, causes headaches etc, pretty dangerous actually, mirrors can appear blurred when it's actually your eyesight from the constant wind thrumming, so I completely understand why some people wouldn't like that 😂
The front end design on the 1260 Multi isn't great, look into it and you'll find owners often describe it as 'horrendous' and some have sold because of this, they've cured it slightly in the V4 with winglets, but these can't be retro fitted to older bikes
I have enjoyed all your reviews...in the end I went for the 1260 Multistrada ST. No regrets but the BMW was a close second.
Nice review, thank you. I also prefer the RS myself, the GS felt a big bulky for me when I tested it, plus don't really intend to get off road.
Good video and useful to know your thoughts Andy.
It also depends on how many bikes you can own as owning more throne bike helps spread the different riding styles across multiple bikes.
I recently rode the R1250R and really wanted to like it more than the GS but I abe to say that while the seat comfort was great the slightly canted forward riding position was uncomfortable after a while (for me anyway).
My F850GS was actually slightly more difficult to manoeuvre than my R1200GS is despite being lighter.
Also, not all GS variants are off road focused. I own a TE Exclusive and wouldn’t be crossing desert or muddy tracks but on the Rallye and Adventure variants you could.
However, like yourself, I appreciate the comfort of the GS. The ease of manoeuvring it around and the fact it still cruises down the motorway as well as it does blasting around countryside lanes.
Keep up the great work on the videos and safe riding.
Thanks for dropping by Steve - I'm glad we're both in agreement about the brilliant GS.....
I owned an RS for a year but it always gave me a pain at the base of my neck - even after fairly short rides. I raised the bars which helped but it never went away. I changed to the GS and did the NC500 in 3 days this year and never a hint of any aches or pains. So GS for me every day.
Good comparison video TMF.
Well, I'm in the US middle Tennessee. Lots of twistys and a always temping side road that turns to gravel then dirt that turn turns into beautiful country side. So I bought a GS, very comfy on a long ride then very capable if you turn ....left... plus I think she just looks right when you load her down with panniers and bags for a road or camping trip.
Agreed Glenn
I absolutely love the looks/style of the RS, but for me, an aging 62 years old and getting arthritic in the knees, I find the pegs too high. The riding position is great for about 25 to 30 minutes then I'm in enough discomfort to distract me! Currently the only bike I've ridden that I can manage more than an hour on is the Triumph Scrambler XE, (so just as well I'm a huge Triumph fan then!) and I think this will be my next bike.
I love the Scrambler but found it just too tall and heavy for me to move around the garage/driveway - have you tried shifting one???
When you’re travelling, you often unexpectedly encounter rough dodgy roads. Someone here says gravel roads don’t count as off road but Richy Vida seems to do just fine in these conditions with a GS but different story when caught out with his VFR! Have also been to campsite where the big tourers have had to be left at the top of the track or unloaded and get help to push them down to the pitch.
As for seat height, I find it odd that you are only half an inch taller than me but claim parts of you body are three inches longer! I think you need to get a seamstress to do an official assessment of your inside leg!
These type of vids are very entertaining by the way.
Thank you!
The RS is fine on those sorts of roads too.
@@Bunter1815 Would you ride an RS on gravel or possibly dirt roads?
@@Pisceanboi I've ridden mine on gravel roads yes. Not alot, about 100 km, but it can do it. Mud would be very different.
Had a r1200 GS sold to buy r1200r misted the GS so much sold it to buy the r1250 GS HP love it
Having ridden both v recently, one thing I'd say is that the RS is no Sports Tourer - for one main reason: wind protection. That RS screen is not particularly effective. There is a reason BMW list it as a Sports bike, after all. I found the screen pretty much worthless, to be honest, at either of its settings. There is significant buffeting around the head, shoulders & arms. I know you can get an extended aftermarket screen for the RS but, having looked at them installed, the look then looks unbalanced/ clumsy. I ended up buying a GS; a 2021 Rallye TE with a lowered chassis (I'm vertically challenged). Absolutely love it.
Because the GS geometry turns faster and you could put some good sticky rubber on it.
Then you got a B road weapon.
Is there a bit more weather protection of the GS?
Not a lot in it I don’t think
@@TheMissendenFlyer you got a V100 Mandello lined up yet? 🤩🤩🤩
I don't follow this. So this brought about from criticism, that why buy a GS if you never take the bike off road? The verdict from this is that the GS is a more comfortable bike than the RS and you can do greater distances even though the handling is not sharp as the RS. Fair enough, but on that basis. I would have pitched the GS against the RT. On the sporty front, pitch the RS then against the roadster. That to me is more fair comparison? Or is the GS just simply the goldilocks bike of the BMW boxer stable?
I bought an R1250R back in June this year, but before I bought it I test rode an R1250GS to see what the fuss was all about. Anyway, as soon as I got up to speed I just couldnt beleive how noisy it was, wind noise I mean, it was literally deafening, so much so I cut the test ride short and returned to the dealer. Now I think this must be due to my height and /or torso length, I'm 6'2. So I wonder if the GS actually suits shorter riders ?!?!......Also, it seemed to make some weird noises from the engine, at times it was like there was a small German man trapped inside still working on the engine :) Anyway I bought the R, compared to the GS I found it an absolute dream to ride, smooth and quiet and generally easier. The downside to the R is the lack of wind protection, but then everything is a compromise...
Just to add...I'm currently thinking about PX'ing the R for an RS to get the better wind protection. If I do, then I'd put the Wunderlich handlebars on it to give it more of an R riding position, but I've not made up my mind, not sure if its worth the extra ££££'s or not.
Do you think the r1250r is suitable for new riders?
The GS TE is £16,360 and a similar spec'd RS Exclusive £15430 so just over £900 difference if you want the same bells and whistles on the RS. Out if the 2 which is more fun and engaging to ride MF and are the differences significant? I get the ease of moving the GS around and comfort of the GS but as I spend most of my time off motorways and don't do massive tours like you ultimate comfort isn't as important as the fun factor
My 2p. the telelever suspension is brilliant in comparison to the forks on the RS. The sat nav is in the right place. Visibility and turning circle are better on the Gs which is better for threading through traffic. Leverage through the bars, mirror position are better.Vario panniers are excellent.
Hi TMF - a perfect comparison and you’ve previously commented on the advantages of the GS’s front suspension too. There’s no doubt about it, that for us guys of a certain age the GS has it but cost is a factor too. I hope, in the future, you compare the GS with the new Multistrada; a pal of mine is changing to the Multistrada and he does a couple of lengthy European tours a year - your opinion would be great. Of course, and as recently discussed, the new Triumph 900 Tiger will/should enter the mix! Great set of comments you’ve received and handled like a true gent - a fly on the wall would be interesting! Yours aye, Alan
Hehe, what I write and what I'm thinking don't always match 1:1 ;0)
I think I know what you mean Andy!!
Have you noticed your left hand position on the grips? You do only use half the grip often. Maybe because you find the bars a bit narrow 🤔
Nah - camera trick….
One thing that I didn't see you mention was about hauling capability. Can the RS carry as much luggage and/or perform "two up" as well as the GS?
Hi - would love to know how you rate R 1250 RT and FJR 1300 in amongst this mix. Thanks for all the great content.
Why not the RT....for Touring...?
Admittedly, I paused the video after your opening statement about RS vs GS. I own neither. I do own a 2018 Tiger 1200 and people compare these type bikes to the likes of the new Jeep Wranglers - 99.99% are used to go to the cafes and grocery stores and never see off-road of any sort. When I bought my Tiger, I knew I wasn't going all "Ewan and Charlie" 'round the globe on it. I knew I would be on tarmac 99% of the time. But, guess what? When I do see the odd gravel road or dirt road I do not hesitate to explore it. That is why I bought what I bought. ;) Prior to the Tiger 1200 I had the Versys 1000 and on gravel it was perilous for me - that bike is simply not constructed for it.
Great vid TMF!
GSA all the way for me !
As a taller rider I fitted risers to my 1200RS and it became the perfect bike. I thought about the 1250, but moved on to an XR last June, what a fantastic bike.
What do you make of the new one?
@@TheMissendenFlyer without riding one I'm not sure. There doesn't appear to be a lot of difference, other than lights, and some minor styling changes.
I took out a 1250 GSA in the spring for a 4 hour run and loved the way it rode but not the way it looked. I do like the look of the 1250 RS and so took one out for a similar 4 hour test ride in North Wales on Tuesday. Confidence inspiring handling even in the wet, bags of torque and a lovely light progressive throttle. However, coming from an FJR, I began to feel it was a bit on the small side for me (I'm 6 ft 2). So for me it would be neither. I'll stick with the FJR for now but am looking forward to trying out the new XR in the Spring
Mark333032 interesting as I’m considering FJR though haven’t yet tested. Seems great package albeit quite long in the tooth. I tested 1250 RS. Impressive though it felt quite long (wheelbase) and slow to turn in. Also a bit uncomfortable - I’m also 6’2” - though maybe the higher sports seat could help. Also considering RT. Any views on FJR vs RS vs RT much appreciated. Best. G.
Depends on the purpose or how you use the bike most often. Afternoon weekend backroad twisties. RS. Longer trips and tours. GS. GS makes for a better all a rounder though.
Agreed!
Good review on both bikes Tmf . I think the GS look better than the Rs but I would go for the Rs as it's not as tall.thanks from Danny
Cheers as ever Danny - always good to know you're out there watching!
I am 6’5” and a 33” inside leg so it’s the GSA for me , I am on my second GSA now , the first being a triple black 2017 which I absolutely loved and now I ride the 1250 GSA HP TE Ralley which in my
Opinion is even better
Nice one Stuart - great bike!
I have rode both bikes and I love the RS, however being 55 6'2 and 250 the riding position is not the best. I love the GS but the $$$ is too crazy. (plus having three children in college does not help haha) I love my 19 Versys 1000 SE. Great video. Keep up the good work!
I had the same dilemma before I bought my GS and because the last years i live in Germany, off road riding is not allowed and as an never-stop-hoping-EX-ADV-Rider and after a long time of comparison with pros and cons for each model, I set to my self the following "key" question:
"How many years ago is the last time since i have been rode a bike without handguards? Do I want it to do it now?"
The answer came naturally!
Y K My dealer(Wollaston, Northampton) fitted the hand guards from the GS onto my RS for me before I collected it. They are an exceptional piece of kit, the best way to make sure your gloves are water proof is by not getting them wet in the first place.
TheMissendenFlyer why don't you make another GS long term rewiew?
Tmf another big plus for me.. the telelever up front I love it does not load up the front
Very true - should have mentioned that!
@@TheMissendenFlyer easily forgotten, good review , I found I was a little stretched out on the rs , other than that I loved it , the GS suits me better , I had a 14 64 plate WC and now have a 12.5 non adventure, fantastic bike go to the shops or Europe , scratch on b roads or blitz motorways .. so much torque it's the perfect road engine whilst returning mid 50s mixed riding .. I don't need to tell you that tho eh! Thanks for the vid ..
How much of a crouch do you sit on the RS as compared to a GS, I had a K1300s sportstourer and I was leaning forward much more in it, would cause fatigue in couple of hours
A little but not much.....
Cheers for the video my man, very nice. Enjoy your reviews as they are 'real world' or seem so to me. I'm thinking of getting either a GS or RS for commuting and some touring possibly. Have a R9T and Street Triple for fun! Any advice much appreciated.
RS for sure. So many ride the GS simply because of the great reviews which it thoroughly deserves, but never take the thing off road. For the majority of us who mainly ride tarmac and minimal off road, the RS is an absolute joy.
What about weather protection? Opinions on style and looks are great but is there any perceived difference on the air flow over the front of the bike?
No none! ...or certainly not enough for me to consider a factor....
Nice vlog! Cool switching bikes on the fly...! ;)
... prefer the GS. :) Cheers Tim
Yes I agree, GS1250 for me over the RS just a better touring bike, but saying that the new GS has some poke and is fun!
I tried the RS but a bit cramped compared to my GS, I'm 5'10' by the way. A friend went from a GS to a RS, only lasted three months till back on a GS. He's 5'8'. So we agree with you Andy.
Glad we concur!
Just because you own a GS, doesn’t mean you have to take it off road. I have owned Two (2) GS’s since 2008 and before that I had three Fireblade’s on the bounce and then a CB1300F as well as other bikes before them. Yes you can go off road on a GS, and it’s surprisingly good, bearing in mind the size and weight of it. The GS is very comfortable and is a bit of a jack of all trades. It makes a great tourer, but with much better handling than most tourers. Anybody who hasn’t ridden a GS should at least try one, the handling is quite incredible, considering it doesn’t look anything special. It is so easy to put luggage on and off, and deals with the extra weight of luggage and or pillion with ease.
GS or RS, I honestly can’t see an area where the RS is significantly better than a GS. However with the GS you get the vario panniers, more comfort and the same engine performance and generally far greater flexibility in how you use the bike.
I’m biased, but up until I found the GS, I changed my bike almost yearly. In the last Eleven years I’ve settled on the GS (owning two in that time) there’s a reason why.
Hi not sure if you've done a review on the suzuki gsxs 1000 but if you have what was your take on it as I'm seriously thinking of having one thank u
I have to make the exact same decision this month. Have a test on the RS this week. I am 5 11, but really have a hard time with the top heavy GS at stops, granted it is not a city bike but it has never felt like i can control it at a standstill or getting it on the center stand. On the road it is a dream, but I get cramps in my upper back for some reason with this riding position. I am thinking the handle levels are too high and cause it. As for off road capability, the GS is the utlimate pro at it, but at this weight and bulk there really are better bikes to get there with that are much more nimble, but I rarely go that off piste. I’ll decide next week, but the RS looks like a winner for me. Let me know if you have heard of anyone else getting cramped upper back muscles. Thanks for the great review.
What did you buy then? :)
@@GJS-live I got the RS! Best bike I have ridden in a very long time! I love it!
Well balanced vid as always TMF. Having just stepped off a GSA because mine simply let me down twice on two separate Euro tours (see vids on channel if anyone interested) I do agree with you. Even though mine went back for the new R1250RTR (love it) I still think the GS (particularly GSA) is the best all round bike on the planet and if like me you had the GSA then tank range and carrying capacity is simply superb. I took the RS for a full day recently and whilst it did everything it need to it simply didn't make me feel good about being onboard! We just had bad luck and this does happen even on the might GSA!
Sorry to hear of your woes!
TheMissendenFlyer it happens and said many times it could have happened to any bike/manufacturer. GS/A is still best all round bike on planet though.
Love Life and Triumph......How is your wife going to cope with less luggage? ...or is it you we’ll be seeing in scanty clothing next year? 😀
@@aunoates6617 Hi Aun, Mrs B here! You know me so well now, of course it shall be Mr B packing his pants into his jacket pockets! Hope you are well and get off TMF's channel (lol)
@@aunoates6617 PS and me in scanty clothing! Really its would put you off your dinner! lol
s'all bout comfort n rider position as you said, rode an 09 gs was bloody impressed
I`ve had 1100rs ,1100gsx2 ,1150gs,1100s,1100rt ,1200gs x 4, i liked them all but i agree the GS comfort with better backroad handling has the edge .