I always heard that Topaz was an "investment" to your account, and I pulled before knowing that. Seeing Dr. Ratio and how god damn well he synergized with her, made me realize how awful FUA would have been for my account if I didn't have one or the other. Synergy aside..Ratio and Topaz in SU is so god damn funny
Play Ratio, Robin, Tingyun and Gallagher and you will be able to clear in the exact same amount of cycles as Ratio, Robin, Topaz and Aventurine. Topaz adds very little to FUA teams to the point you can replace her with Pela and again clear in the same amount of cycles or more if enemy is not weak to fire.
@kennethyoung7457 I can do that but where is the fun of meta shilling when I can toss a pig and chalk at an enemy back to back while my resident gambler tosses coins on repeat.
having no topaz to ratio means almost having no ratio, that's my acc, like my ratio sits on my acc and can't do anything because of how badly he needs topaz but im saving for sunday for so long and have no any will to pull anyone before him
@bangtanssera Ratio does not need Topaz at all. In fact, he does not even want her at e0s0. Hypercarry Ratio with SW has always been his best e0s0 team. Topaz still has value, though. Yunli and Topaz is a great comp, and it looks like she's pretty good with Feixiao, but the Ratio Synergy is very over hyped
It is way better since Tutorial can be used on a lot of characters. Maybe it is closer to Festering Desire except Tutorial was immediately useful on a lot of characters while Festering was so so on release. It only became super good years later. Even if you considered Cinnabar Spindle you at least had alternatives like Harbinger of Dawn. There is nothing quite like Tutorial. I do not think any other nihility light cone gives energy. In terms of weapon quality itself I suppose it is on the level of Festering Desire and Cinnabar Spindle.
I dont think missing any character selector "ruins/breaks" any account. You can always get them even if months later. You dont need to clear today. It also is obvious that new players lose out on old stuff. Missing the 100+ free pulls from login is the same as losing the 60+ pulls by missing a whole patch
Such things doesn’t ruin/break accounts, but it’s one aspect that reflects the predatory nature of gacha games. They’re scummy business practices that showcase why many people hate gachas.
@@TheGeekyRedMage you cant really say that just because limited times events. This is not just a thing in gacha games but most games in general that are live service. Many games have limited events that give you an incentive to play, and well if you miss them you of course miss the associated rewards. There are other reasons you could use to state scummy corporate practices but this is not really one of them, unless it is a functional item that never comes back and is really useful, like some event LCs
@@TheGeekyRedMage you know what other entity does this? your favorite real-life stores. Limited discounts and freebies are corporate ways to draw in customers. Yes, it is predatory and scummy but it isn't exclusive to gacha games. It is everywhere. The real problem is not the suspicious scheme in front of you. The REAL problem is your lack of discipline and unwise decisions when it comes to spending. They fooled you once, shame on them. They fool you twice, shame on you.
I hate that they made the tutorial Lightcone event because I joined in 1.2 and when I got silver wolf in 1.5 not having tutorial makes her so much worse.
This. I started when the Kafka ads pulled me in, and I've been regretting the lack of that cone ever since. Even SW's signature doesn't really do what Tutorial does for her. ...and that's before I even think about the entire Playstation playerbase not even having a chance to get it.
I think thats a big reason people dont like playing silver wolf. Getting that much EHR and a 3 turn ultimate rotation without and ERR rope is such a massive buff to the charcter, its like a little version of her eidolons 1 and 2
An underrated problem of all these frebies is the game becoming harder as a results HSR gives more pulls, and as a result, endgame feels balanced around E0S1 characters. Especially with Gallagher, 2 strong sustains are pretty much expected, just look at Hoolay & Aventurine. The HP of enemies keeps on increasing. Huge bumps were after Acheron's release and welp, after break with the aforementioned Hoolay and his overwhelming HP bar. HMC doesn't seem to have been given out without higher dmg expectations
Being able to get 'The Predator' achievement while it was glitched is also a little known mini account bricking. It's basically impossible to do now. I like the video though and thanks for fixing the sound from last time!
I feel that way about the trailblazer dialogue achievement "meaning of choice." I learned about it late into the story and I don't think I've seen a response that would earn me credit towards it since 🥲
If they did that 1.0 players would feel bad because it was a limited edition prize they won and then it‘s worth nothing. A worse version of that LC could be an option like instead of the 8 energy maybe 4.
@@Yin184it was a 1.1 light cone? And why does the “prize” matter? You can’t even trade things in this game. Plus, the people still need to get lucky in gacha if they add it to the banner.
One of the things I keep barking about is I really do wish they would rerun the limited Light Cones. There is no reason to not rerun those LCs and I'm sure veteran players would appreciate having a second copy. Also, I totally sympathize with not wanting to make "slop" content. But I must say, this isn't it in my experience. Yeah it's less edited, but it brings up a good and valuable point. So don't be afraid to put out content that's not over edited if it has a good point or is very informational.
The doctor might be huge, but I'm not losing any sleep over not having him since I only started last month. The thing I'm sad about is that I started right when the Firefly banner ended so it will take the maximum amount of time before I get the chance to get her
As a FF main , she feels underwelming at E0 . If u plan on only getting E0 , get boothill instead(obviously if u like him) , i will pull him next rerun.
If you didn't plan on getting Topaz and his signature LC, you're not missing out on a lot. Acheron and Firefly are in a league of their own and are much more practical dpses to pick up
As someone who started fairly recently, I can confirm it is indeed quite annoying to keep hearing people say 'use Dr. Ratio if you are f2p'. A pet peeve for me was that catching up with the story does net me a lot of trailblazing xp and leveling components but they are relatively stingy with ascension & trace materials. This meant that I had a fairly limited pool of characters who could keep up with the content, which meant I lacked flexibility when facing the more gimmicky modes/bosses.
Yup, you are forced to use same 4 characters over and over by the time act 2 rolls around. And when weaknesses don't match at all, you are screwed. If I didn't pull Yunli in 40 pulls, I think I would've dropped the game, because of how frustrating it was before I got her. I literally used the store currency they give after pulls and was planning on dropping the game.
I feel that a lot- I’m at the point where I’ve unlocked most endgame content just by playing the story, but because I’ve had less time to farm for trace and ascension materials so I’m very very underpowered regardless. And the Dr. Ratio thing just STINGS sometimes honestly. I just got here guys I don’t have the grumpy math tutor I’m sorryyyyy
@@saraiknowsit Pretty much same, even when none of the weaknesses match I'm still better off using my main team despite not breaking any weaknesses, even the 60 fuel from levels and battle pass was a drop in the bucket when it came to traces, not even talking about artifacts. Ratio would've been so nice for my FoA team, Gallagher would've been great too, I missed him by 1 patch lol.
@@saraiknowsit also traces will be so fast lol, believe me artifacts are probably 10x worse, you will spend 2 week grinding it and might have nothing to show for it. i crafted 20 boots with relic materials and not a single pair was even usable.
As somehow who started in 1.5 and pulled for Silver Wolf, it makes me so annoyed that Tutorial is an event LC since it's leagues better than her actual signature. It only makes Silver Wolf's meta viability worse since her Ultimate rotation at E0 is horrible.
It's so weird because Incessant Rain is already unattractive value wise. It's similar to Aventurines sig but his gives like 1.5 times the stats (40 def vs 24 ehr, 40 cd vs 12 cr) plus the debuff is aoe.
@@QuackEasy I'm not joking when i say that if you wanted to vertically invest your silver wolf, you would get her e1 and e2 before her s1 because her eidolons give her so much value. Even then, you would rather use tutorial over rain for faster ults.
I mysnerlf have that lightcone so I never realized SW had any problems without it but now after so many comments I see that even in such a slight topic it can ruin the experience for other players... damn
@bangtanssera true, I never undestood the hate on her bcs she is such a good character, specially with the free dr Ratio and Acheron, until I realize a lot of people did not have Tutorial bcs they pulled her on her rerun. I run break effect on her and she slaps bcs she does a lot of entanglement dmg while still maintaining a 3 turn ult, sometimes even 2 turn. Tutorial really is OP.
I agree a lot with CCs just assuming you have characters, I faced that a LOT when I was just starting out and they were assuming everyone had Ruan Mei... Thankfully I have her now, but they really just assume everyone has her
what annoys me the most is I was planning on skipping her, pull her on a single 10 pull on accident at 0 pity and now out of spite I will always clear endgame entirely without Ruan Mei the first time around just so I can prove to myself she wasn't mandatory (doesn't work for Apocalyptic Shadows) 🙃
I think the bigger deal is Tutorial LC. That is almost certainly the most valuable 4 star LC on my account. I would sooner trade Ratio over my Tutorial LC by how useful and valuable it is. It is simply invaluable in having good ultimate uptime and fixing EHR issues. It is useful on many characters. They must have realized they screwed up because every other free event LC they have given out has been dogshit in comparison. I think that Tutorial LC literally made them lose money because you had no need to pull Silverwolf's signature LC.
@@kagetora03 there's also a leaked event Destruction lightcone for 2.6 that amplifies HP and Crit DMG which looks like a four star option for Blade and it's not too far from his signature lightcone so at least he can use both compared to SW with her signature and Tutorial
@@reshmin1760 the thing is there's leaks of a quantum and imaginary destruction characters for 3.x so the lc is probably for them but it will benefit blade
I legit started playing in 1.0, but stopped cause I didn't get jing yuan, then came back for Kafka and started playing daily again after atherium wars in 1.4. I still hate it that I missed the best ftp LC for silver wolf
Man i love how you playing around with editing on each episode. Big fan of how you can spice things up or shift stuff around with it. One love Waveman.
I started playing last month. Missing out on Dr. Ratio is super sad. I don't think I could ever pull for him: spending tickets on a character so many got for free would feel even worsem
As a player that only started over in the first half of 2.4 this fact hurts my soul. I will be rolling for robin and feixao in the next patch to hopefully get some actual good dps
March 7th hunt is a good ratio alternative for new players right now and there are tons of light cone alternatives for characters that use tutorial and journey I dont think any new account is really bricked and if they miss out on the free march 7th FUA is just 1 archetype out of many at the end of the day, we still have dot, hypercarry, super break etc.
I missed everything despite having started at 1.0, since I had to take a break because of unexpected deaths... It feels absolutely shitty to not have some of the most useful tools for f2p-players available...specially since everyone keeps on saying "just use Ratio" etc.. I did send feedback to HoYo that they should re-run those limited events and then keep them on, since otherwise a lot of new players would feel like they are at an instant disadvantage. Tbh, such rewards should only be implemented in events that will be kept forever. Patch specific events should just give additional Jades and standard pulls imo...
What they should do: - Limited event LC should be added in endgame shop (only one LC and 4 superimposer) - The Standard 5* selector shouldn't be for one time only - Herta's shop LC should be 2 per path - There should be Limited 5* selector per Anniversary - More Self modelling resin
Brother you are asking for way too much,new players are bound to get less value rather than old players,the only parts of my complaints about hsr particularly is that they should do a rerun about those limited 4* event lc and thats it,due to it having such significant value into your acc Other than that,it is supposed to be a benefits for those who play during their first release or who played on older version.
I received Ratio, tried him, disliked him, never used him again, never struggled without him. Lightcones are a much bigger deal than characters, cuz you can't get them otherwise.
@thegray6868 That's the thing, I did. I played so much during 1.0 that by the time 1.1 came along, I burned myself out and didn't play the event. It makes it all the worse knowing that I could've just logged in and seen the event. Too late now.
I saw a video saying that we will be able to get the limited event lightcones in the herta shop for the same price as the regular cones in there. I dont know how accurate it is but it doesnt hurt to hope.
I'm not going to lie. Every time I look at Silver Wolf's four star light cone, I'm like. Yeah. Pretty damn glad I have that on my account. On the other hand if someone started now, they wouldn't have spent resources on characters I really don't use that much anymore. Power Creep kind of makes up for a lot.
Just saw leaks online that they're adding the event lightcones to the SU store - yes even Tutorial Mission. And it costs 8 Herta bonds to S5 each lightcone
The only disappointing one is missing Tutorial. I'm a day 1 console player and it started on 1.4. So it's not even an issue of starting late, I just didn't even have the option.
This is also the same for Hi3 a lot missed the Evangelion event that you can't get asuka skin (red suit) and her weapon and stigmata (gears) Meanwhile you can still get Fischl (genshin collab) and her complete gear in the shop (in game currency) and APHO (endgame)
I missed "For Tomorrow's Journey" for Robin because I didn't even know it was available. I wasn't paying attention to clearing story so I wasn't far enough to do the event. And I only heard one content creator mention it in passing and I thought it was coming in one of the shops or something.
I think it’s unfortunate that players feel left out. But I think there is an argument to be made that player loyalty should be rewarded. However that’s not to say it’s a strong argument, just because someone joined later doesn’t mean they should have a harder time progressing through the game. But usually it’s not very account breaking, because the content can still be cleared with time it’s usually more of a “aw that’s a shame :(“ rather than causing actual dissatisfaction. It’s definitely a great point of discussion, and I still think new players should get old event light cones and have access to the selectors at the very least. I personally don’t mind the format of the video at all, a lot of the time in discussion talk videos I tend to zone out the visuals anyway so some basic gameplay b roll serves me fine :)
Hoyo games is just not friendly to new players AND returning player. Especially so in HSR where the game mechanic is so restrictive, new players won't have enough roster to clear content and they have to stay being sucks and grind for at least 1 year before their account gets good. It's their Hoyo's strategy to funnel these "left out" players to their future games.
I managed to E6 both Misha and Xueyi from E0 and only got ONE GALLAGHER from the FF/RM banner. Of course I know it's not a big deal and I'll be able to make it back eventually but god damn bad luck makes you want to reroll your account lol. Also as someone who came in after they gave away Ratio it huuuuuurts to miss out on some of those free rewards
Trying to learn about all the hsr endgame stuff is such a pain. Everyone is saying nothing is playable or usable without eidolons or signature light cones or at least 2 5* in every team (pov: u barely played enough for 2 5* banners to reset)
I played from day 1, and I remember when we were doing the spooky/stream event on fyxstrol garden they implemented the "saving the event so you can do it later" thing. So my dumbass decided she wanted to be lazy and didn't want to do the event yet. So I didn't, bc I thought all the rewards would stay. Turns out I didn't read the fine print where it said lightcones would not be saved. So even tho I don't "need" it, I'm still upset I didn't get that lc. Hopefully in the future when they release enough of them, they do a sort of event where you can claim 1 limited lc from the past, that would be cool. Something like that instead of releasing them and never seeing them again like in genshin
im in pain everytime i see this "before tutorial" lightcone, because i play since launch and i even got silverwolf, but i somehow didn't get myself the lightcone, i hate that i didn't claim this thing, because my account is literally filled with Nihility dot teams for Acheron and Kafka. 😐
As a new player, honestly just the assumption of having characters is really sad sometimes to me. I missed out on the free Dr. Ratio, which, yknow, I’d already feel kinda bad enough about- but when it comes to four stars, I don’t have Tingyun or Gallagher yet. Yknow, two of the strongest four stars (I believe anyways) that everyone always assumed you have a copy of…? What’s worse is one of the few limited five stars I do have is Firefly- who kinda relies on him a bit. I also only joined the game after one of my favorite characters ran- so I’m kinda just left with this feeling of being pretty far behind haha. I know I’ll catch up eventually but still, it doesn’t feel too good right now. But I’m still enjoying the game regardless!
I missed Topaz and Ratio, and have been feeling like I have no good entry into FUA teams. If I wanna get in now, it feels like I need to roll for multiple 5* units that don't measurably improve my account until I have a full set. I'm hoping Feixiao/Moze will be the remedy for that.
This is my gripe with the game. Some teams needs all their teammates and there are no good 4 stars replacements, making teambuilding exepensive and restricted. I have Black Swan and no Kafka and she feels incomplete. That's why I pulled for Firefly (she only needs RM, and RM is umiversal) and Acheron since their teams are less expensive.
I think this video style is great. Your commentary is by far the most important part of your videos (and what makes them interesting and valuable, in my eyes), so I don't at all mind slightly less polish if it means I can hear more of your thoughts on the game.
I started playing HSR 7 weeks ago and I am reaching MoC, Apocalipse and Pure Fiction further than some friends that plays for 1 year.. so start playing HSR is not a problem, better later than never
I started playing on the early versions. They announced that they will give Dr. Ratio for free. My phone was so bad so I had to delete the app. Than I came back to the game during the second phase of 2.2... No one can understand my misery!
I really did like the TV aesthetic on the video before the previous one, I think for me that nailed the middle ground for non-intrusive and unique also giving me the vibes that you should be covering ZZZ lmao
It is, I started at 2.3, If I didn't get Yunli as early as I did (~35 pulls), I would've dropped the game, the combat with default characters was miserably difficult.
Im honestly grateful I started out at the firefly banner cuz without the superbreak team I would have been absolutely devastated in a lot of content. It’s a shame it’s so hard to recommend the game because I know they’re not gonna have a good team comp after a good while.
Yeah, the default characters they give, struggle through the story, I almost dropped the game until I got Yunli in (~35 pulls). Thankfully story-mode is coming, so hopefully new players pacing will not be as poor was mine was.
@@IgnasV some are fine, and with recent banners they seem to be putting characters that go well with each other together, although is painful for people that have exhausted the game’s supply of stellar jades, it’s good for new players that need to form a team quickly as possible
I started a second account to share the story with a friend and got a Gallagher on the standard banner. its a bit tough to level him up without having access to Penacony yet, but when I get there he'll be the 1st thing I buff.
Idea: Finish an endgame content to get 1 " journey to the past " fragment. Just like Herta, 8 fragments for the event LC and 2 fragment for each superimpose.
I love how i was gonna use either welts lc or tutorial for SW, but when i decides to pull on the lc banner foe the first time in the game i just got welts lc in my first pull and her signature right back to back, so eventually from 10 pulls i left with 8 pity and 2 5* lc, so i kinda never had to use it 😂
Kinda sucks that I only started at September last year (around the patch where the characters were Fu Xuan and Dan Heng: Imbibitor Lunae), since I didn't have a good device back then. But atleast, it's been going smoothly.
I have the Tutorial lightcone at level 80 and S5, and I don’t even use it. I don’t have Silver Wolf, Pela is on Resolution and Black Swan is on Eyes of the Prey. It has to be one of the most overrated cones I’ve ever seen.
Am i the only one who has the tutorial lightcone, but only S1? I was so new to the game that I didn't see a point in finishing the event and only got the lightcone after I got Silver Wolf
yeah, superimpose mats are limited even if the event isn't. For example, my Guinaifen even lc from the ghost event is only S4 because the archived event doesn't have the option to claim the last material.
There was the limited LC but it's pretty bad compared to gacha 4* alternatives and even to the free LC from MoC shop so if you missed it you didn't lose any value for your account.
he mentioned it at 3:52, but as latenter and waveman said it’s a very unremarkable and rarely recommended lc, so it’s not really something that anyone is “missing out” on, unlike the other limited lc’s
tbh Huohuo doesn't terribly need that LC unlike SW with Tutorial, she can do just fine with Post Op Conversation or Quid Pro Quo or even Bailu's lightcone
Not having those dont ruin new accounts. Its just more challenging. Like me i joined last month and missed alot like the free ratio and other stuff before that. But without them i can still play normally. I currently finished all my missions and im starting the late game after 1 month of playing.
Uhhh, it doesnt 'break' your acc, you just missed out on a lot. And there will be more rewards to come for sure. FOMO is quite something but dont let the past stops you from looking forward. I mean at least the rewards in star rail is better than genshin right?
Eh, powercreep, if you missed a character, there is a high chance you should not get it later on, and replace it with whatever alternative comes out later on.
@@IgnasV If I missed a character I will still want them no matter if they can clear or not. You have to know how to use your character right to clear and move past content even with the old roster or when you start. They Give out free 4 star characters that can help your account progress. Level up traces, Level up light cones and take your time, you do not need to use the new characters at all. I skip some characters and still able to clear everything.
@@Dbackstrom What is your Trailblazer lavel and when did you start? I started ~2 months ago, I am level 61. I used my energy for traces and levels everyday, I'm still not done doing my 2 characters of Yunli and March 7-th hunt. Hell I even used Fuel. I was interrupted from the game 4 times. 4 times I wanted to experience the story and I was force to grind events and sidequests so I could beat it. It killed my pacing during those times. Perhaps you got lucky, but I only got Yunli and Welt, and until I got those it was miserable. Got Bailu now and YQ too, but my new player experience was bad, until I got lucky with gatcha, I suspect a lot of players drop the game because of that. If you started today, would you spend your first 80 pulls trying to pull for silver wolf, when you are forced to use characters like Sampo?
@@IgnasV My trailblaz level is 70, I started one month after launch. That is awesome you have an account at Trailblaze 61. I do understand your struggles, I myself got stuck at the part where you had to fight topaz IPC workers. I lost few times then I had to stop and level up my characters. I spent 1 month grinding for levels and some traces. Since he was weak to fire units I use asta and gunaifen and natasha and main mc, and was able to do it. So what i am saying is grind till you are able to play and beat story. I stop and did noting else but grind. After I got farther in story I grind more and I have all characters at level 80 I didn't even grind for relics. To answer your question. If I start today and to spend my first 80 pulls is to get more 4 stars characters, the 5 star is just cherry on top and I pick someone I like. I use sampo a lot he is a amazing character he able to stack wind shear a lot. Also if I had to pick it be robin if I started in 2.5. If I started in 2.4 it be Jiaoqiu. You have Welt, and Sampo, now you need a healer and 1 harmony for a awesome team.
Dr. Ratio has been a great boss killer, and he's still really strong in the SU, but in non-SU content he really struggles in trash mob situations unless maybe you have Jade as his partner. He's not really a good single-carry, so I think realistically everyone who has IL has just been running IL
Honestly, I would say Genshin is more generous. Sure, HSR gives more pulls, but you really need more characters to clear different kinds of content. You're getting that now sort of with imaginarium, but I still struggle with stuff like Pure Fiction in HSR due to not liking any of the characters that do FUA (until Moze, I'm going to build him if I get him. I did try to build Dr. Ratio, but ehhh. He is certainly good but I don't like him one way or another, and I don't like using characters I don't care for. I already tolerate the likes of Bennett for Abyss, for instance.) I was lucky to get Gallagher from Acheron's banner, at first I was salty about it because I ehhh Gallagher (I like him a little better but eh), now I'm blessed since he is good for both Acheron and Firefly, which are my two mains. I would love for Sunday to be a DPS Harmony tho.
Well at least new players get to have all the story events as permanent But true its a mistake Hoyo keep making.. weapons should remain availlable forever.. remove some stellar jades its fine but not the weapons when they end up remaining relevant for years.. and Ratio should have stayed free as part of the quest or something so that it remain permanent even tho him being temporary kinda make sense because he was given for a specific occasion and not just because of the story.. still things that should be made permanent as they would really motivate and help new players
I mean ratio is a limited character so he’s gonna come back eventually like any other limited so I don’t think it’s that bad, probably be back a lot sooner then we think since he’s a 2.0 character
@@Lew98765 probably just the way given out a free limited character will be unless you like them a lot you probably won’t pull for them again, I can’t see myself pulling for copies and with so many follow up people coming out I don’t see him as much as a lost as before when it was just him, topaz and aventurine
Where's the subscriber ratio screenshot? It isn't a waveman video without the screenshot showing the massive disparity between subbed vs unsubbed 😭. (I subbed btw :D)
You talk about Ratio showcase why I was frustrated with the “free” gift at the time. If Hoyo truly treated the free Ratio as a gift for HSR winning at the Game Awards, why not make his one copy free permanently so that every player, not matter the situation, can enjoy the free gift. Instead, they used the predatory tactic of FOMO where now new players can’t get Ratio. But at the time, pretty much everyone was just talking about how “generous” HSR was at the time, which was very frustrating (really hate the gacha community honestly).
It was supposed to be a gift for those who played the game during that time as they are the reason why they won. This could also be a reason to kind of persuade players to play the game during the version where ratio is given out. It's not that predatory as a lot of games especially those with live service have this kind of events. Hsr is still generous tho, like who knows if we get another one right?
honestly, its just a skill issue 4 yall. That gift was supposed to be for players who were supporting the game around that time, not ppl who came in at the end. Why are u complaining about a game being generous to it's supporters?
I can't say hsr is generous. exploration gives you pitiful amount of rewards. free character in my mind equals a standard character and especially if it's the hunt am I really wrong? not that much if you have not lightcone. I didn't still build my dr ratio even though I have some not bad teammates for him because of this things I've mentioned. hsr is very demanding of getting all five stars, having their light cones because there is no hsr' the widsith that can be a nice alternative to a dps catalyst weapon, there is no harbinger of dawn in hsr, there are no anemo set or emblem set or noblesse which are universal in genshin while a starter player in hsr has what, a def set?? who tf even needs that except fu xuan who has better alternatives in sets too? and yes, sets are in the topic of being generous because if you go to farm some quantum set you waste your daily aether into a useless set, not a generous idea imo. I still think there is lack of universally needed to farm weekly caverns with relics, same applies to ornaments. I am glad though that just now we got a good domain with a follow up set and super break at the same time if im not wrong, the devs address their game's problem. but still idk what's so generous about those additional ten pulls per patch when you need both kafka and black swan on your team. f2p variants are way worse and we all know it. it's not like it impacts my own account I must say, im super lucky in hsr gacha, I got most of my five stars starting from 2.0 earlier than 40 pulls and when I lost I lost to thee queen bronya early as well, that's basically a win. but I know that my luck is just a probability, imagine being a f2p player with no such luck? because they are the majority of the game. that's because of their despair, their attempt to be fully meta in a game with all five stars in one team all those leaks are getting this much of attention and views the devs had to open early access server. f2ps simply want to know where to spend their precious ten pulls haha!.. that's not a generous game, it's a healthy managing between absolutely nothing and a really generous game. at some point when I realized it I fully felt how deep my anxiety on the subject was, and it was ruining my gaming experience. in hsr it seems like you can't afford skipping a meta unit, one time I was blocked by a simple IPC open world mob fight and couldn't enter the event of the patch because I was stuck in a trailblaze mission there so I had two pull for jingliu because she was the only one who could help me and she did. im still satisfied with her yet I feel that unease understanding I was almost forced by the circumstances to get her, even if I love her right now I better prefer to not be forced into it. im very casual in gaming, I don't spend because I don't see it challenging when you get everything you want in a snap of fingers but saying this is a normal experience in a game for a casual player is kinda gaslighting the problem. hsr has things to improve and there are patterns that give me understanding they do try to fix it, that makes me feel relief
free 4 stars like march 7th hunt, harmony trailblazer and gallagher are great, i still use march 7th hunt over welt,himeko,clara and we don't talk about yanqing hes straight ass. Anyways exploration are still a great thing to do when you're waiting for a new patch (won't work if you have already cleared all puzzles, warp trotter, lordly trashcans, formidable foe) they give decent rewards considering how easy they are and how easy they are to find. The 10 pull isn't exactly anything crazy but when you stack it up from 1.1 to 2.4, you already have more than enough for atleast a 5 star character.
@@X10Z24 You are right about march 7-th hunt and harmony trailblazer (I didn't reach gallagher yet, idk if he's fully free), but they come so late. I started at 2.3 (Yunli patch), and before I got her, game was frustratingly difficult. If I didn't get her as early as I did ~35 pulls, I would've dropped the game, I know for sure, because I was considering it. I started to play this because a friend heavily recommended it, if it wasn't recommended through a friend, I would not still be playing at 61 TB Level. Coming from Blue Archive, where they give ~1200 pulls from story, the "5 Star" rate is 3% instead of 0.6% with half / year anniversaries bumping it to 6%, and every pull resulting in a student. This game only seems generous when you compare it to the garbage-fest like genshin impact, where they force you to do puzzles that take longer than honkais for 2 currency. I don't know any other gatchas, so it's my limited perspective of player that experiences only these 3 gatchas. Entire story + Events, Sidequest and Crates up until farewell penecony (topaz on the ship) is giving around ~350 pulls. Not sure if I can call it generous with 0.6% banner rate.
@@IgnasV You don't get gallagher from quests, you get him from the 4 star selector in events, there was an origami bird event in 2.3 where you can get him from there. And yunli's patch start in 2.4, not 2.3. Fair point btw, hsr and genshin is not generous at all compared to games like blue archive.
@@X10Z24 I can't preview the event, but I assume I'm late once again lol. Honkai is not that bad, but Genshin is horrible, and worst thing of all their community eats that shit up and praises it for scraps. I have a friend who praised it non-stop and kept on saying how generous of a gatcha it is. I tried it, they showed me that I can earn a 4 star character and it's skin if I complete the event, event was fairly bad, but I suffered through to get the character.. The game let me collect 95% of the points to redeem the character, and the rest were locked behind a combat even that new players had no chance to beat. I did 30 score out of a minimum qualifying of 500. In the end the gave me a skin for a character I couldn't even get due to event being made like that. Blue Archive being my first Gatcha and the reason I even gave other Gatchas the time of day, but damn, now I'm seeing that it's the exception and not the rule.
ngl i’m kinda happy tutorial was limited. since hsr is a hoyo game and genshin hasn’t ever done anything like that, i think the chances are extremely low. hoyo has implied that good rewards for for the *loyal* characters. anyways i’m happy i got tutorial s5.
me 2!! they're getting frustrated cuz they weren't around to support the game when it needed it, then suddenly demand stuff given to loyal players?? make it make sense
@@idolwhisper It just makes the gap between veterans and new players bigger and bigger. And in turn it results in less players picking the game up because they feel like they are behind. No matter what they do, (unless they use their credit card), new F2Ps will never be able to catch up to veteran F2Ps. That is straight up a shitty feeling, try out a different gatcha that has been running for years, trust me, not a great feeling. Dailies and extra currency during the events is a big enough reward already, making the gap bigger just stifles the games growth due to them not wanting to start it for such reasons. I guess it does kinda balance out by them pulling in a couple of people with limited time characters / pulls, but I don't think it's healthy in the long term for either players or the game.
I always heard that Topaz was an "investment" to your account, and I pulled before knowing that. Seeing Dr. Ratio and how god damn well he synergized with her, made me realize how awful FUA would have been for my account if I didn't have one or the other.
Synergy aside..Ratio and Topaz in SU is so god damn funny
Play Ratio, Robin, Tingyun and Gallagher and you will be able to clear in the exact same amount of cycles as Ratio, Robin, Topaz and Aventurine. Topaz adds very little to FUA teams to the point you can replace her with Pela and again clear in the same amount of cycles or more if enemy is not weak to fire.
@kennethyoung7457 I can do that but where is the fun of meta shilling when I can toss a pig and chalk at an enemy back to back while my resident gambler tosses coins on repeat.
@@ALegendarySol Real.
having no topaz to ratio means almost having no ratio, that's my acc, like my ratio sits on my acc and can't do anything because of how badly he needs topaz but im saving for sunday for so long and have no any will to pull anyone before him
@bangtanssera Ratio does not need Topaz at all. In fact, he does not even want her at e0s0. Hypercarry Ratio with SW has always been his best e0s0 team. Topaz still has value, though. Yunli and Topaz is a great comp, and it looks like she's pretty good with Feixiao, but the Ratio Synergy is very over hyped
Turtorial LC is literally Cinnibar Spindle all over again.
It is way better since Tutorial can be used on a lot of characters. Maybe it is closer to Festering Desire except Tutorial was immediately useful on a lot of characters while Festering was so so on release. It only became super good years later. Even if you considered Cinnabar Spindle you at least had alternatives like Harbinger of Dawn. There is nothing quite like Tutorial. I do not think any other nihility light cone gives energy.
In terms of weapon quality itself I suppose it is on the level of Festering Desire and Cinnabar Spindle.
@@AzureDrag0n1There's the Herta Shop cone, but It has Break Effect instead of EHR.
HELP
literally was abt to comment the same thing
@@DT-yw4oband enemy needs to be killed to activate the passive iirc, tutorial is on every hit
I dont think missing any character selector "ruins/breaks" any account. You can always get them even if months later. You dont need to clear today. It also is obvious that new players lose out on old stuff. Missing the 100+ free pulls from login is the same as losing the 60+ pulls by missing a whole patch
Such things doesn’t ruin/break accounts, but it’s one aspect that reflects the predatory nature of gacha games. They’re scummy business practices that showcase why many people hate gachas.
@@TheGeekyRedMage you cant really say that just because limited times events. This is not just a thing in gacha games but most games in general that are live service. Many games have limited events that give you an incentive to play, and well if you miss them you of course miss the associated rewards.
There are other reasons you could use to state scummy corporate practices but this is not really one of them, unless it is a functional item that never comes back and is really useful, like some event LCs
@@TheGeekyRedMage you know what other entity does this? your favorite real-life stores. Limited discounts and freebies are corporate ways to draw in customers. Yes, it is predatory and scummy but it isn't exclusive to gacha games. It is everywhere. The real problem is not the suspicious scheme in front of you. The REAL problem is your lack of discipline and unwise decisions when it comes to spending. They fooled you once, shame on them. They fool you twice, shame on you.
@@chantararixpreach brother
Still waiting for Tutorial one of if not the best support Nihility LC.
I hate that they made the tutorial Lightcone event because I joined in 1.2 and when I got silver wolf in 1.5 not having tutorial makes her so much worse.
This. I started when the Kafka ads pulled me in, and I've been regretting the lack of that cone ever since. Even SW's signature doesn't really do what Tutorial does for her.
...and that's before I even think about the entire Playstation playerbase not even having a chance to get it.
I think thats a big reason people dont like playing silver wolf. Getting that much EHR and a 3 turn ultimate rotation without and ERR rope is such a massive buff to the charcter, its like a little version of her eidolons 1 and 2
I have welt’s lc on her as cope
An underrated problem of all these frebies is the game becoming harder as a results
HSR gives more pulls, and as a result, endgame feels balanced around E0S1 characters. Especially with Gallagher, 2 strong sustains are pretty much expected, just look at Hoolay & Aventurine. The HP of enemies keeps on increasing. Huge bumps were after Acheron's release and welp, after break with the aforementioned Hoolay and his overwhelming HP bar. HMC doesn't seem to have been given out without higher dmg expectations
Being able to get 'The Predator' achievement while it was glitched is also a little known mini account bricking. It's basically impossible to do now.
I like the video though and thanks for fixing the sound from last time!
I feel that way about the trailblazer dialogue achievement "meaning of choice." I learned about it late into the story and I don't think I've seen a response that would earn me credit towards it since 🥲
I'm still hoping that one day we will be able to buy tutorial LC or they give us a cheaper version of it because with black swan and jiaoqui I need it
I do hope that it gets added to the Forgotten Hall lightcone shop or standard warp someday
probably never gonna happen unfortunatly
They wont cuz this is a gacha game and gacha games tend to do this
If they did that 1.0 players would feel bad because it was a limited edition prize they won and then it‘s worth nothing. A worse version of that LC could be an option like instead of the 8 energy maybe 4.
@@Yin184it was a 1.1 light cone? And why does the “prize” matter? You can’t even trade things in this game. Plus, the people still need to get lucky in gacha if they add it to the banner.
One of the things I keep barking about is I really do wish they would rerun the limited Light Cones. There is no reason to not rerun those LCs and I'm sure veteran players would appreciate having a second copy.
Also, I totally sympathize with not wanting to make "slop" content. But I must say, this isn't it in my experience. Yeah it's less edited, but it brings up a good and valuable point. So don't be afraid to put out content that's not over edited if it has a good point or is very informational.
The doctor might be huge, but I'm not losing any sleep over not having him since I only started last month. The thing I'm sad about is that I started right when the Firefly banner ended so it will take the maximum amount of time before I get the chance to get her
As a FF main , she feels underwelming at E0 . If u plan on only getting E0 , get boothill instead(obviously if u like him) , i will pull him next rerun.
@@soulfulhuman8724 Even at E0, I'd just like to have her because I like the character xD
@@soulfulhuman8724 e0s1 is always enough to play, i prefer taking more new characters rather than pulling their eidolons 😶🌫
@@Mrteahuge ya brother i do the same.i never pulled any eidolons till this day !! I play for fun and thats it.
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@@soulfulhuman8724 fr bro
I started playing in 2.2. The patch they stopped giving Dr. Ratio out for free. Im so sad about it
Many people have abandoned burn accounts. Just ask
If you didn't plan on getting Topaz and his signature LC, you're not missing out on a lot. Acheron and Firefly are in a league of their own and are much more practical dpses to pick up
@@schopenheimer. Ratio can do fine without Topaz, he's just more fun to play with her
@@reshmin1760way too high investment with e1s1 topaz
Same D:
As someone who started fairly recently, I can confirm it is indeed quite annoying to keep hearing people say 'use Dr. Ratio if you are f2p'.
A pet peeve for me was that catching up with the story does net me a lot of trailblazing xp and leveling components but they are relatively stingy with ascension & trace materials.
This meant that I had a fairly limited pool of characters who could keep up with the content, which meant I lacked flexibility when facing the more gimmicky modes/bosses.
Yup, you are forced to use same 4 characters over and over by the time act 2 rolls around. And when weaknesses don't match at all, you are screwed. If I didn't pull Yunli in 40 pulls, I think I would've dropped the game, because of how frustrating it was before I got her. I literally used the store currency they give after pulls and was planning on dropping the game.
I feel that a lot- I’m at the point where I’ve unlocked most endgame content just by playing the story, but because I’ve had less time to farm for trace and ascension materials so I’m very very underpowered regardless. And the Dr. Ratio thing just STINGS sometimes honestly. I just got here guys I don’t have the grumpy math tutor I’m sorryyyyy
@@saraiknowsit Pretty much same, even when none of the weaknesses match I'm still better off using my main team despite not breaking any weaknesses, even the 60 fuel from levels and battle pass was a drop in the bucket when it came to traces, not even talking about artifacts. Ratio would've been so nice for my FoA team, Gallagher would've been great too, I missed him by 1 patch lol.
@@saraiknowsit also traces will be so fast lol, believe me artifacts are probably 10x worse, you will spend 2 week grinding it and might have nothing to show for it. i crafted 20 boots with relic materials and not a single pair was even usable.
As somehow who started in 1.5 and pulled for Silver Wolf, it makes me so annoyed that Tutorial is an event LC since it's leagues better than her actual signature. It only makes Silver Wolf's meta viability worse since her Ultimate rotation at E0 is horrible.
The exact same here
It's so weird because Incessant Rain is already unattractive value wise. It's similar to Aventurines sig but his gives like 1.5 times the stats (40 def vs 24 ehr, 40 cd vs 12 cr) plus the debuff is aoe.
@@QuackEasy I'm not joking when i say that if you wanted to vertically invest your silver wolf, you would get her e1 and e2 before her s1 because her eidolons give her so much value. Even then, you would rather use tutorial over rain for faster ults.
I mysnerlf have that lightcone so I never realized SW had any problems without it but now after so many comments I see that even in such a slight topic it can ruin the experience for other players... damn
@bangtanssera true, I never undestood the hate on her bcs she is such a good character, specially with the free dr Ratio and Acheron, until I realize a lot of people did not have Tutorial bcs they pulled her on her rerun. I run break effect on her and she slaps bcs she does a lot of entanglement dmg while still maintaining a 3 turn ult, sometimes even 2 turn. Tutorial really is OP.
I agree a lot with CCs just assuming you have characters, I faced that a LOT when I was just starting out and they were assuming everyone had Ruan Mei...
Thankfully I have her now, but they really just assume everyone has her
what annoys me the most is I was planning on skipping her, pull her on a single 10 pull on accident at 0 pity and now out of spite I will always clear endgame entirely without Ruan Mei the first time around just so I can prove to myself she wasn't mandatory
(doesn't work for Apocalyptic Shadows) 🙃
When a character is just SOOO good, you just gotta expect that everyone has them. It isn't that much of a no-brainer to think of.
When a character is just SOOO good, you just gotta expect that everyone has them. It isn't that much of a no-brainer to think of.
@@conejitorosada2326 it's probably going to be quite a long time before ruan mei reruns again
While that may be true, it still does not deny the fact that Ruan Mei is still a time limited character that only appears once in a while.
I think the bigger deal is Tutorial LC. That is almost certainly the most valuable 4 star LC on my account. I would sooner trade Ratio over my Tutorial LC by how useful and valuable it is. It is simply invaluable in having good ultimate uptime and fixing EHR issues. It is useful on many characters. They must have realized they screwed up because every other free event LC they have given out has been dogshit in comparison. I think that Tutorial LC literally made them lose money because you had no need to pull Silverwolf's signature LC.
It's true that Tutorial is truly a god sent lc but we shouldn't forget how bad SW's lc is... that makes tutorial even more valuable to have
@@kagetora03 SW's lightcone isn't even that good on her from what I heard - it's better on characters like Welt and Acheron
@@reshmin1760 yeah that's why i said that, it's bad for SW, only usable if u have e2+
@@kagetora03 there's also a leaked event Destruction lightcone for 2.6 that amplifies HP and Crit DMG which looks like a four star option for Blade and it's not too far from his signature lightcone so at least he can use both compared to SW with her signature and Tutorial
@@reshmin1760 the thing is there's leaks of a quantum and imaginary destruction characters for 3.x so the lc is probably for them but it will benefit blade
I legit started playing in 1.0, but stopped cause I didn't get jing yuan, then came back for Kafka and started playing daily again after atherium wars in 1.4. I still hate it that I missed the best ftp LC for silver wolf
Man i love how you playing around with editing on each episode. Big fan of how you can spice things up or shift stuff around with it. One love Waveman.
Certified Festering Desire moment
I started playing last month. Missing out on Dr. Ratio is super sad. I don't think I could ever pull for him: spending tickets on a character so many got for free would feel even worsem
yeah i agree
As a player that only started over in the first half of 2.4 this fact hurts my soul. I will be rolling for robin and feixao in the next patch to hopefully get some actual good dps
March 7th hunt is a good ratio alternative for new players right now
and there are tons of light cone alternatives for characters that use tutorial and journey
I dont think any new account is really bricked and if they miss out on the free march 7th FUA is just 1 archetype out of many at the end of the day, we still have dot, hypercarry, super break etc.
I missed everything despite having started at 1.0, since I had to take a break because of unexpected deaths... It feels absolutely shitty to not have some of the most useful tools for f2p-players available...specially since everyone keeps on saying "just use Ratio" etc.. I did send feedback to HoYo that they should re-run those limited events and then keep them on, since otherwise a lot of new players would feel like they are at an instant disadvantage. Tbh, such rewards should only be implemented in events that will be kept forever. Patch specific events should just give additional Jades and standard pulls imo...
What they should do:
- Limited event LC should be added in endgame shop (only one LC and 4 superimposer)
- The Standard 5* selector shouldn't be for one time only
- Herta's shop LC should be 2 per path
- There should be Limited 5* selector per Anniversary
- More Self modelling resin
At the very least they should rerun limited event lcs, like do x number of tasks to get S5 lc. Ive had this exact problem with genshin for years
Brother you are asking for way too much,new players are bound to get less value rather than old players,the only parts of my complaints about hsr particularly is that they should do a rerun about those limited 4* event lc and thats it,due to it having such significant value into your acc
Other than that,it is supposed to be a benefits for those who play during their first release or who played on older version.
I received Ratio, tried him, disliked him, never used him again, never struggled without him.
Lightcones are a much bigger deal than characters, cuz you can't get them otherwise.
Definitely not me crying because I missed the tutorial lightcone 🥲
I’m not getting silver beacons of this 😢
Now I'm contemplating getting Silver Wolf E1 just because I missed it. It's pain.
The thought haunts me every day
Should’ve started playing day one 😂
@thegray6868 That's the thing, I did. I played so much during 1.0 that by the time 1.1 came along, I burned myself out and didn't play the event. It makes it all the worse knowing that I could've just logged in and seen the event. Too late now.
I saw a video saying that we will be able to get the limited event lightcones in the herta shop for the same price as the regular cones in there. I dont know how accurate it is but it doesnt hurt to hope.
I'm still so mad that Dr Ratio came out when i had severe burnout and I was so depressed I couldn't log in just once D:
I'm not going to lie. Every time I look at Silver Wolf's four star light cone, I'm like. Yeah. Pretty damn glad I have that on my account.
On the other hand if someone started now, they wouldn't have spent resources on characters I really don't use that much anymore. Power Creep kind of makes up for a lot.
Just saw leaks online that they're adding the event lightcones to the SU store - yes even Tutorial Mission. And it costs 8 Herta bonds to S5 each lightcone
The only disappointing one is missing Tutorial. I'm a day 1 console player and it started on 1.4. So it's not even an issue of starting late, I just didn't even have the option.
This is also the same for Hi3 a lot missed the Evangelion event that you can't get asuka skin (red suit) and her weapon and stigmata (gears) Meanwhile you can still get Fischl (genshin collab) and her complete gear in the shop (in game currency) and APHO (endgame)
OHM Y GOD I'm still so sad I didn't get Asuka 😭😭😭😭
I missed "For Tomorrow's Journey" for Robin because I didn't even know it was available. I wasn't paying attention to clearing story so I wasn't far enough to do the event. And I only heard one content creator mention it in passing and I thought it was coming in one of the shops or something.
I think it’s unfortunate that players feel left out. But I think there is an argument to be made that player loyalty should be rewarded. However that’s not to say it’s a strong argument, just because someone joined later doesn’t mean they should have a harder time progressing through the game. But usually it’s not very account breaking, because the content can still be cleared with time it’s usually more of a “aw that’s a shame :(“ rather than causing actual dissatisfaction.
It’s definitely a great point of discussion, and I still think new players should get old event light cones and have access to the selectors at the very least.
I personally don’t mind the format of the video at all, a lot of the time in discussion talk videos I tend to zone out the visuals anyway so some basic gameplay b roll serves me fine :)
Hoyo games is just not friendly to new players AND returning player. Especially so in HSR where the game mechanic is so restrictive, new players won't have enough roster to clear content and they have to stay being sucks and grind for at least 1 year before their account gets good. It's their Hoyo's strategy to funnel these "left out" players to their future games.
That is also why i was very excited to start zzz from patch 1.0 .
I managed to E6 both Misha and Xueyi from E0 and only got ONE GALLAGHER from the FF/RM banner. Of course I know it's not a big deal and I'll be able to make it back eventually but god damn bad luck makes you want to reroll your account lol. Also as someone who came in after they gave away Ratio it huuuuuurts to miss out on some of those free rewards
I literally pulled Misha 9 times before getting Gallagher even once, like wtf😭
i could hear his feeling with those evil laughs
Trying to learn about all the hsr endgame stuff is such a pain. Everyone is saying nothing is playable or usable without eidolons or signature light cones or at least 2 5* in every team (pov: u barely played enough for 2 5* banners to reset)
I played from day 1, and I remember when we were doing the spooky/stream event on fyxstrol garden they implemented the "saving the event so you can do it later" thing. So my dumbass decided she wanted to be lazy and didn't want to do the event yet. So I didn't, bc I thought all the rewards would stay. Turns out I didn't read the fine print where it said lightcones would not be saved. So even tho I don't "need" it, I'm still upset I didn't get that lc. Hopefully in the future when they release enough of them, they do a sort of event where you can claim 1 limited lc from the past, that would be cool. Something like that instead of releasing them and never seeing them again like in genshin
im in pain everytime i see this "before tutorial" lightcone, because i play since launch and i even got silverwolf, but i somehow didn't get myself the lightcone, i hate that i didn't claim this thing, because my account is literally filled with Nihility dot teams for Acheron and Kafka. 😐
As a new player, honestly just the assumption of having characters is really sad sometimes to me. I missed out on the free Dr. Ratio, which, yknow, I’d already feel kinda bad enough about- but when it comes to four stars, I don’t have Tingyun or Gallagher yet. Yknow, two of the strongest four stars (I believe anyways) that everyone always assumed you have a copy of…? What’s worse is one of the few limited five stars I do have is Firefly- who kinda relies on him a bit. I also only joined the game after one of my favorite characters ran- so I’m kinda just left with this feeling of being pretty far behind haha. I know I’ll catch up eventually but still, it doesn’t feel too good right now. But I’m still enjoying the game regardless!
me who joined on 2.3 every time someone mentions ration :)
Same :,( The only saving grace is that march hunt is really good as a dps.
I missed Topaz and Ratio, and have been feeling like I have no good entry into FUA teams. If I wanna get in now, it feels like I need to roll for multiple 5* units that don't measurably improve my account until I have a full set. I'm hoping Feixiao/Moze will be the remedy for that.
This is my gripe with the game. Some teams needs all their teammates and there are no good 4 stars replacements, making teambuilding exepensive and restricted. I have Black Swan and no Kafka and she feels incomplete.
That's why I pulled for Firefly (she only needs RM, and RM is umiversal) and Acheron since their teams are less expensive.
Sad I missed the tutorial LC :/
it’s ok it’s not that good tbh 😅 the only person it’s the best on is silverwolf which isn’t a high value pull
great video! i don't mind low-effort or minimally edited content that has an interesting idea communicated effectively, and this is definitely it.
I remember when people down plays ratio before he got release saying he will be the aloy of hsr and look at him now 😂😂😂
I think this video style is great. Your commentary is by far the most important part of your videos (and what makes them interesting and valuable, in my eyes), so I don't at all mind slightly less polish if it means I can hear more of your thoughts on the game.
They really need to put the Tutorial LC event in the archive, or make a new event for it that can be archived.
Missed the free Ratio, but I did get Feixiao so no regrets here.
Silverwolf Event cone being her BiS since release lmao
I started playing HSR 7 weeks ago and I am reaching MoC, Apocalipse and Pure Fiction further than some friends that plays for 1 year.. so start playing HSR is not a problem, better later than never
With money
I started playing on the early versions. They announced that they will give Dr. Ratio for free. My phone was so bad so I had to delete the app. Than I came back to the game during the second phase of 2.2... No one can understand my misery!
I really did like the TV aesthetic on the video before the previous one, I think for me that nailed the middle ground for non-intrusive and unique
also giving me the vibes that you should be covering ZZZ lmao
this channel is so underrated, i sincerely hope you pop off someday.
the limited event light one need to available in Herta store.
Literally. I would pay the price of a herta shop 5 star cone for that.
Forreal, or even the currency from the end game modes to buy the damn tutorial light cone lmao. (I have too much of that currency.)
for fortune the event cones will come in herta shop in the next patch
Yea as a veteran player, I find it quite difficult for new players to get into the game
It is, I started at 2.3, If I didn't get Yunli as early as I did (~35 pulls), I would've dropped the game, the combat with default characters was miserably difficult.
Im honestly grateful I started out at the firefly banner cuz without the superbreak team I would have been absolutely devastated in a lot of content. It’s a shame it’s so hard to recommend the game because I know they’re not gonna have a good team comp after a good while.
Yeah, the default characters they give, struggle through the story, I almost dropped the game until I got Yunli in (~35 pulls). Thankfully story-mode is coming, so hopefully new players pacing will not be as poor was mine was.
@@IgnasV some are fine, and with recent banners they seem to be putting characters that go well with each other together, although is painful for people that have exhausted the game’s supply of stellar jades, it’s good for new players that need to form a team quickly as possible
I started a second account to share the story with a friend and got a Gallagher on the standard banner. its a bit tough to level him up without having access to Penacony yet, but when I get there he'll be the 1st thing I buff.
I hope they add Tutorial to the MoC lightcone shop or the SU store
Yeah... I missed all of these. Starting on the Firefly Banner. Didn't pull on that banner so... Yeah. I'm feeling the struggle.
Idea: Finish an endgame content to get 1 " journey to the past " fragment. Just like Herta, 8 fragments for the event LC and 2 fragment for each superimpose.
TUTORIAL LIGHT CAN GO GIVE ENERGY ALL IT WANTS
(I started in Penacony)
smh building ehr on pela
I love how i was gonna use either welts lc or tutorial for SW, but when i decides to pull on the lc banner foe the first time in the game i just got welts lc in my first pull and her signature right back to back, so eventually from 10 pulls i left with 8 pity and 2 5* lc, so i kinda never had to use it 😂
Yeah, farewell Honkai Star Rail
That sucks not having a equipment that I don't have!
Kinda sucks that I only started at September last year (around the patch where the characters were Fu Xuan and Dan Heng: Imbibitor Lunae), since I didn't have a good device back then. But atleast, it's been going smoothly.
Tbh the lightcones should just stay in the events instead of being a limited and dr ratio still being avaliable through some ingame method
3:54 I forgot about this event because I wanted to do that later and have it only r1 in genshin language 😭
Doesn't this apply to every game?
my ratio with his lc being benched on my account cause i couldnt be bothered grinding artifacts for him 🤣🤣
I have the Tutorial lightcone at level 80 and S5, and I don’t even use it. I don’t have Silver Wolf, Pela is on Resolution and Black Swan is on Eyes of the Prey. It has to be one of the most overrated cones I’ve ever seen.
ikr? most people act like it's the end of the world 😭
@@idolwhisper tbf, I was using it until I got Resolution to S5. But it was still nothing spectacular.
"I don't have SW" well yeah u find it overrated cuz u don't even see the problem that comes from running SW without that lc
("jUsT gEt e1" incoming)
@@kagetora03 Just get E1
Am i the only one who has the tutorial lightcone, but only S1? I was so new to the game that I didn't see a point in finishing the event and only got the lightcone after I got Silver Wolf
yeah, superimpose mats are limited even if the event isn't. For example, my Guinaifen even lc from the ghost event is only S4 because the archived event doesn't have the option to claim the last material.
Same here but that lc never leaves my silverwolf
also, wasn't there an abundance LC which was unique during some Huohuo event?
There was the limited LC but it's pretty bad compared to gacha 4* alternatives and even to the free LC from MoC shop so if you missed it you didn't lose any value for your account.
he mentioned it at 3:52, but as latenter and waveman said it’s a very unremarkable and rarely recommended lc, so it’s not really something that anyone is “missing out” on, unlike the other limited lc’s
@@latenter1428571 well at least it's perfect for huohuo)
tbh Huohuo doesn't terribly need that LC unlike SW with Tutorial, she can do just fine with Post Op Conversation or Quid Pro Quo or even Bailu's lightcone
That lightcone's mid as hell. Quid Pro Quo, Natasha's signature, and even 300 golden starlights for Bailu's signature can also be good.
Coming in on Ratio and Aventurine was a boon tbh
Pulls have been horrible for me in this game so far.
Started in 2.5 and it's still great
Not having those dont ruin new accounts. Its just more challenging.
Like me i joined last month and missed alot like the free ratio and other stuff before that. But without them i can still play normally. I currently finished all my missions and im starting the late game after 1 month of playing.
Depends, I struggled, and had to interrupt my story line pacing 4 times to grind, so I could beat bosses. Made my experience quite a bit worse.
Uhhh, it doesnt 'break' your acc, you just missed out on a lot. And there will be more rewards to come for sure.
FOMO is quite something but dont let the past stops you from looking forward. I mean at least the rewards in star rail is better than genshin right?
Genshin makes people do puzzles for 1-2 currency lol. Comparing it to genshin is an insult.
The way to counter this is to buy old accounts 😚 (pls don’t)
If I could wipe the story off of them, I think I would've bought them.
You can never brick your account. Characters come back and you can level up the ones you have to clear content.
Eh, powercreep, if you missed a character, there is a high chance you should not get it later on, and replace it with whatever alternative comes out later on.
@@IgnasV If I missed a character I will still want them no matter if they can clear or not. You have to know how to use your character right to clear and move past content even with the old roster or when you start. They Give out free 4 star characters that can help your account progress. Level up traces, Level up light cones and take your time, you do not need to use the new characters at all. I skip some characters and still able to clear everything.
@@Dbackstrom What is your Trailblazer lavel and when did you start? I started ~2 months ago, I am level 61. I used my energy for traces and levels everyday, I'm still not done doing my 2 characters of Yunli and March 7-th hunt. Hell I even used Fuel. I was interrupted from the game 4 times. 4 times I wanted to experience the story and I was force to grind events and sidequests so I could beat it. It killed my pacing during those times. Perhaps you got lucky, but I only got Yunli and Welt, and until I got those it was miserable. Got Bailu now and YQ too, but my new player experience was bad, until I got lucky with gatcha, I suspect a lot of players drop the game because of that.
If you started today, would you spend your first 80 pulls trying to pull for silver wolf, when you are forced to use characters like Sampo?
@@IgnasV My trailblaz level is 70, I started one month after launch. That is awesome you have an account at Trailblaze 61.
I do understand your struggles, I myself got stuck at the part where you had to fight topaz IPC workers. I lost few times then I had to stop and level up my characters.
I spent 1 month grinding for levels and some traces. Since he was weak to fire units I use asta and gunaifen and natasha and main mc, and was able to do it. So what i am saying is grind till you are able to play and beat story. I stop and did noting else but grind. After I got farther in story I grind more and I have all characters at level 80 I didn't even grind for relics.
To answer your question. If I start today and to spend my first 80 pulls is to get more 4 stars characters, the 5 star is just cherry on top and I pick someone I like. I use sampo a lot he is a amazing character he able to stack wind shear a lot. Also if I had to pick it be robin if I started in 2.5. If I started in 2.4 it be Jiaoqiu.
You have Welt, and Sampo, now you need a healer and 1 harmony for a awesome team.
Dr. Ratio has been a great boss killer, and he's still really strong in the SU, but in non-SU content he really struggles in trash mob situations unless maybe you have Jade as his partner. He's not really a good single-carry, so I think realistically everyone who has IL has just been running IL
Honestly, I would say Genshin is more generous.
Sure, HSR gives more pulls, but you really need more characters to clear different kinds of content. You're getting that now sort of with imaginarium, but I still struggle with stuff like Pure Fiction in HSR due to not liking any of the characters that do FUA (until Moze, I'm going to build him if I get him. I did try to build Dr. Ratio, but ehhh. He is certainly good but I don't like him one way or another, and I don't like using characters I don't care for. I already tolerate the likes of Bennett for Abyss, for instance.)
I was lucky to get Gallagher from Acheron's banner, at first I was salty about it because I ehhh Gallagher (I like him a little better but eh), now I'm blessed since he is good for both Acheron and Firefly, which are my two mains.
I would love for Sunday to be a DPS Harmony tho.
I started playing when the game first came out, I've the tutorial LC, tho I quit and just came back a couple of months ago so I don't have Dr ratio 💀
Still sad thst I Didn't get dr ratio
I just play the story, get acheron btw. Not having to fight anything is huge. Combat gets very tedious otherwise
I sadly wasn't able to get the tutorial lightcone :(
No tutorial lc? Bricked account
My tutorial LC actually works for JQ 😂
I just hope I can get Sw free lc one day. Like plz hsr
Skill issue, just go back in time.
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Well at least new players get to have all the story events as permanent
But true its a mistake Hoyo keep making.. weapons should remain availlable forever.. remove some stellar jades its fine but not the weapons when they end up remaining relevant for years.. and Ratio should have stayed free as part of the quest or something so that it remain permanent even tho him being temporary kinda make sense because he was given for a specific occasion and not just because of the story.. still things that should be made permanent as they would really motivate and help new players
I mean ratio is a limited character so he’s gonna come back eventually like any other limited so I don’t think it’s that bad, probably be back a lot sooner then we think since he’s a 2.0 character
@@AkumaRain yeah but given he was free most players won't or simply never pulled for him, not that he is bad just that its less interesting
@@Lew98765 probably just the way given out a free limited character will be unless you like them a lot you probably won’t pull for them again, I can’t see myself pulling for copies and with so many follow up people coming out I don’t see him as much as a lost as before when it was just him, topaz and aventurine
Sad I didn’t get tutorial lc, even though I joined on release I quit for 9 months after reaching luofu 😫
Where's the subscriber ratio screenshot? It isn't a waveman video without the screenshot showing the massive disparity between subbed vs unsubbed 😭. (I subbed btw :D)
its still the same i just felt like it got annoying after a while and retention would drop when i mentioned it lol
@@waveman047 Damn, that sucks man...like Streisand effect but in reverse.
I literally just start playing today LMAO
Hooray
i'm one of the like 5 people who have tutorial but not ratio
You talk about Ratio showcase why I was frustrated with the “free” gift at the time. If Hoyo truly treated the free Ratio as a gift for HSR winning at the Game Awards, why not make his one copy free permanently so that every player, not matter the situation, can enjoy the free gift. Instead, they used the predatory tactic of FOMO where now new players can’t get Ratio. But at the time, pretty much everyone was just talking about how “generous” HSR was at the time, which was very frustrating (really hate the gacha community honestly).
It was supposed to be a gift for those who played the game during that time as they are the reason why they won. This could also be a reason to kind of persuade players to play the game during the version where ratio is given out. It's not that predatory as a lot of games especially those with live service have this kind of events. Hsr is still generous tho, like who knows if we get another one right?
You hate the community because a game is generous and they like it ?
honestly, its just a skill issue 4 yall. That gift was supposed to be for players who were supporting the game around that time, not ppl who came in at the end. Why are u complaining about a game being generous to it's supporters?
I can't say hsr is generous. exploration gives you pitiful amount of rewards. free character in my mind equals a standard character and especially if it's the hunt am I really wrong? not that much if you have not lightcone. I didn't still build my dr ratio even though I have some not bad teammates for him because of this things I've mentioned. hsr is very demanding of getting all five stars, having their light cones because there is no hsr' the widsith that can be a nice alternative to a dps catalyst weapon, there is no harbinger of dawn in hsr, there are no anemo set or emblem set or noblesse which are universal in genshin while a starter player in hsr has what, a def set?? who tf even needs that except fu xuan who has better alternatives in sets too? and yes, sets are in the topic of being generous because if you go to farm some quantum set you waste your daily aether into a useless set, not a generous idea imo. I still think there is lack of universally needed to farm weekly caverns with relics, same applies to ornaments. I am glad though that just now we got a good domain with a follow up set and super break at the same time if im not wrong, the devs address their game's problem. but still idk what's so generous about those additional ten pulls per patch when you need both kafka and black swan on your team. f2p variants are way worse and we all know it. it's not like it impacts my own account I must say, im super lucky in hsr gacha, I got most of my five stars starting from 2.0 earlier than 40 pulls and when I lost I lost to thee queen bronya early as well, that's basically a win. but I know that my luck is just a probability, imagine being a f2p player with no such luck? because they are the majority of the game. that's because of their despair, their attempt to be fully meta in a game with all five stars in one team all those leaks are getting this much of attention and views the devs had to open early access server. f2ps simply want to know where to spend their precious ten pulls haha!.. that's not a generous game, it's a healthy managing between absolutely nothing and a really generous game. at some point when I realized it I fully felt how deep my anxiety on the subject was, and it was ruining my gaming experience. in hsr it seems like you can't afford skipping a meta unit, one time I was blocked by a simple IPC open world mob fight and couldn't enter the event of the patch because I was stuck in a trailblaze mission there so I had two pull for jingliu because she was the only one who could help me and she did. im still satisfied with her yet I feel that unease understanding I was almost forced by the circumstances to get her, even if I love her right now I better prefer to not be forced into it. im very casual in gaming, I don't spend because I don't see it challenging when you get everything you want in a snap of fingers but saying this is a normal experience in a game for a casual player is kinda gaslighting the problem. hsr has things to improve and there are patterns that give me understanding they do try to fix it, that makes me feel relief
free 4 stars like march 7th hunt, harmony trailblazer and gallagher are great, i still use march 7th hunt over welt,himeko,clara and we don't talk about yanqing hes straight ass. Anyways exploration are still a great thing to do when you're waiting for a new patch (won't work if you have already cleared all puzzles, warp trotter, lordly trashcans, formidable foe) they give decent rewards considering how easy they are and how easy they are to find. The 10 pull isn't exactly anything crazy but when you stack it up from 1.1 to 2.4, you already have more than enough for atleast a 5 star character.
I mean it’s kinda is…not to the point that people think it was due hype but having free op characters like march and tb is a amazing step for a gacha
@@X10Z24 You are right about march 7-th hunt and harmony trailblazer (I didn't reach gallagher yet, idk if he's fully free), but they come so late. I started at 2.3 (Yunli patch), and before I got her, game was frustratingly difficult. If I didn't get her as early as I did ~35 pulls, I would've dropped the game, I know for sure, because I was considering it. I started to play this because a friend heavily recommended it, if it wasn't recommended through a friend, I would not still be playing at 61 TB Level.
Coming from Blue Archive, where they give ~1200 pulls from story, the "5 Star" rate is 3% instead of 0.6% with half / year anniversaries bumping it to 6%, and every pull resulting in a student. This game only seems generous when you compare it to the garbage-fest like genshin impact, where they force you to do puzzles that take longer than honkais for 2 currency. I don't know any other gatchas, so it's my limited perspective of player that experiences only these 3 gatchas.
Entire story + Events, Sidequest and Crates up until farewell penecony (topaz on the ship) is giving around ~350 pulls. Not sure if I can call it generous with 0.6% banner rate.
@@IgnasV You don't get gallagher from quests, you get him from the 4 star selector in events, there was an origami bird event in 2.3 where you can get him from there. And yunli's patch start in 2.4, not 2.3. Fair point btw, hsr and genshin is not generous at all compared to games like blue archive.
@@X10Z24 I can't preview the event, but I assume I'm late once again lol.
Honkai is not that bad, but Genshin is horrible, and worst thing of all their community eats that shit up and praises it for scraps. I have a friend who praised it non-stop and kept on saying how generous of a gatcha it is. I tried it, they showed me that I can earn a 4 star character and it's skin if I complete the event, event was fairly bad, but I suffered through to get the character.. The game let me collect 95% of the points to redeem the character, and the rest were locked behind a combat even that new players had no chance to beat. I did 30 score out of a minimum qualifying of 500. In the end the gave me a skin for a character I couldn't even get due to event being made like that. Blue Archive being my first Gatcha and the reason I even gave other Gatchas the time of day, but damn, now I'm seeing that it's the exception and not the rule.
i'm not entirely sure, but aren't 4-star character selectors mostly applied to events which are saved forever?
I think so but the selectors expire
@@mailcs06 oh, so they are limited time too...
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ngl i’m kinda happy tutorial was limited. since hsr is a hoyo game and genshin hasn’t ever done anything like that, i think the chances are extremely low. hoyo has implied that good rewards for for the *loyal* characters. anyways i’m happy i got tutorial s5.
me 2!! they're getting frustrated cuz they weren't around to support the game when it needed it, then suddenly demand stuff given to loyal players?? make it make sense
@@idolwhisper It just makes the gap between veterans and new players bigger and bigger. And in turn it results in less players picking the game up because they feel like they are behind. No matter what they do, (unless they use their credit card), new F2Ps will never be able to catch up to veteran F2Ps. That is straight up a shitty feeling, try out a different gatcha that has been running for years, trust me, not a great feeling. Dailies and extra currency during the events is a big enough reward already, making the gap bigger just stifles the games growth due to them not wanting to start it for such reasons. I guess it does kinda balance out by them pulling in a couple of people with limited time characters / pulls, but I don't think it's healthy in the long term for either players or the game.