The Oilers trade McLeod and prospect Tullio to the Sabres for 2022 9th overall pick Matt Savoie
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Bryan Hayes, Jonas Siegel and Jason Strudwick discuss the LCBO strike and the inconvenience of it, Jake DeBrusk and Warren Foegele leaving their old teams to go to Los Angeles and Vancouver, the turnover in the NHL, Leon Draisaitl’s next contract, the Oilers trading Ryan McLeod and prospect Tyler Tullio to the Buffalo Sabres for 2022 9th overall pick Matt Savoie, Jonas challenges Hayes as to why the Maple Leafs should’ve acquired more players at the trade deadline because you never know what could happen in the playoffs and more. They are also joined by Ottawa Senators forward David Perron to discuss his decision on signing with the Senators, his longevity in the NHL, playing with Keith Tkachuk in St. Louis and now his son Brady in Ottawa, what can the Maple Leafs expect from Craig Berube as a coach, the Battle of Ontario and more.
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"That does seem to happen"
Pittsburgh Penguins.
Crosby should be worth max cap, Malkin shoulda been worth close to max cap, they took 8.7 and 7.1 to get cups home and the team used that space to get a team
The penguins are the absolute template for how to do it
They still haven’t traded away their biggest problem all of last season. Darnell Nurse. He’s their highest paid defenceman by a long way, but most of the time he looks lost in front of his own net.
nurse has a full NTC good luck trading that when he can veto whatever trade is thrown at him
No one will take him with that contract we'd have to eat something around half his salary he's probably only worth 4/5 mil for his performance
Bad contract but he's not that bad of a player. The rest of the team has just gotten better.
With that contract and his NTC, good luck trading him for a few years, still at least. And don't even consider a buyout, dear lord. That would be bad.
Jeff Jackson is crushing it.
Edmonton's third line is set with Henrique taking his spot when they traded for him and resigned him. There is no room for him in the top 9 and Edmonton needs a bit of cap room.
Strudwick, being from Edmonton, playing for the Oilers should know all about what made the 80s Oilers team great, and, conversely, what brought on the decade of darkness for that Oilers team. The hard salary cap means a hard choice; everyone gives a little for the overall good of the team, or you have virtually zero chance of ever winning the Stanley Cup. Jason was never a star player and thus not a big salary player. Still, the money he earned playing hockey far exceeded what even the most skilled tradesmen and oil/pipeline workers make in Alberta for their entire careers. We all know any pro athlete's career is much shorter than the length of a tradesman's or accountants career. But even an average NHLer like Struddy far out-earns what almost all other careers earn for their practitioners who work three times as long to earn anywhere from a little to a lot LESS money. If you earn $3 million after taxes in your first six years playing in the NHL (I suspect thus is below league average but let's call it a reasonable estimation) and you invest half this money prudently (anyone who can't live well off a half million dollars a year when they're in their early to mid-twenties has a serious problem and needs counseling) that individual should be set up for their retirement. They will still need to work to support themselves through their adult life to around the age of sixty or so, but that's like almost everyone else alive. Now, if you hang around the league another half a dozen years, you'll have another $1.5 million to add to your investment portfolio. That would likely allow you to retire from work by age 55. That's far better than 95% of the rest of society. By that time you're around 37 and gave to work less than 20 more years. The thing is, in today's NHL, if your career lasts 12 years or longer, you've likely averaged better than $900,000 per year, otherwise you'll likely have had a much shorter NHL career abd will have to work until retirement age like the rest of us. The point of all this is to show that those star players who are unwilling to take that "hometown discount" are far more interested in personal monetary greed than they are interested in winning a championship for their team, teammates, themselves, and most especially for their long suffering fans who, by buying tickets, over-priced drinks and food, and overpriced team merchandise, enable the players' lavish lifestyles and line the team owners' pockets. To the Oilers' credit, most of their players are willing to take a haircut on their maximum available earning potential to stay with the team in hopes of winning the Stanley Cup. NHL hockey, above all, is a business, which often makes its dealings and machinations very mercenary in nature. Witness Wayne Gretzky et al, Doug Weight, Bill Guerin, Cujo, and countless others through the years. Frankly, it's just the Oilers luck to finally find an owner with deep pockets and who grew up an eternal Oilers fan, that the NHL decided to bring in a hard salary cap. The Oilers finally have an almost endless pile of cash and now they're forced into a salary cap situation. But this is the world we're in and no team wins without most or all of their players making some personal financial sacrifice. One thing, it makes the off-season far more interesting.
Panthers and Tampa are whole teams of players taking discounts...that is why they win.
Oilers are also a team filled top to bottom with guys making less... except Nurse
@@happytrails151 Fla teams pay no state tax, so players make more even when they take less
@@liamskeo1768 EXACTLY!!! I have no clue why more people don't realize this!!
@@chrisonydotcom2317 I'm pretty sure it's brought up every single discussion. The bigger story is the players taking discounts to play in the frozen North with the Oilers.
Except for Reinhart.
He's massively overpaid. Yeah he scored 50+ last year, but that was the anomaly not the norm. He'll regress back to the 25-30 goal guy he's always been.
9 million is a ton of money for a career 27 goal scorer
former agent jeff jackson knows who the dumb gm's are
Carter savoies brother! And struddy is an absolute gem 💎
Struddy looks like he wants to slowly slink away … Jonas is sending him Morse Code eye blinks …. “Don’t you f’n leave me here”
from Buff, kinda like the trade Savoie is nowhere close to being NHL ready given his size and weight. and Mcleod will fit in perfectly on the 3rd line here in Buff and get more ice time than he would in edmonton.
I ain’t gonna throw McLeod under the bus like you did to Savoie….
McLeod is great 3rd line centre, fast, fast amazing finish when he wants too, north/south game is 10/10, and even his defensive game is top notch
@@shanea885 I mean I understand that but it doesn’t help that I believe he’s only 170 not to sure, so he’d need to put a ton of weight on
I think this years deep playoff experience is really going to help McLeod’s development this upcoming season.
So according to you... Zack Benson also wont be ready for Buffalo for a few years? 😂 The kid had 71 points in 34 games in the WHL last year. He had 95 the year before... While being Zack Benson linemate. They combined for 193 points that year. But we will never see that connection now because we got a 3rd line center.
And he had 5 points in his 6 games in AHL for his conditioning stint after being hurt.
Does it ever occur to these guys that the reason Foegele went to LA is because the Oilers told him that they weren't signing him again. Like I have no strong feelings on the fact that he is gone, but maybe LA was the best chance he had to win.
Right?
He's not saying he wanted to go somewhere for a BETTER chance to win.
He said he wanted to go somewhere that HAS a chance to win. And LA fits the bill.
@@johanstinson LA fits what bill? The we get bounced out in the first round every year bill
@mctoads8230 No different than Toronto... But LA is consistently in the playoffs which means there is a chance. The Kings just can't seem to get it done against the Oilers. Maybe ya'll will get Vegas next year instead.
Foegele is a good player but the oilers need his money more to upgrade and resign drai + mcdavid. Makes a lot of sense on paper but he may score some very painful goals in the short term.
Definitely the oilers didn't want him back. He would have been a 4th line guy and they're showing they won't overpay for 4th liners. This isn't Toronto...
Sabre fans aren't happy with this trade. Geez. Never got to see what he could do on the NHL level with Buffalo.
Oh. He'll get a cup next year.
How do these guys have a show??
U should see the UA-cam shows
How are they not on ufc primetime?
These guys are good, why do u have to comment? Ur a tool
To many leaf fans 😂😂😂
LCBO deemed a necessity during Covid but they can go on strike? Unreal trade for the Oilers today! Foegele unfortunately was not wanted in Edmonton. His good year priced him out of the team and the signings they made kind of pushed him out.
Good shot
We know the Covid rulers by their fruit.
Skinner, Savoie, Henrique ambassador. Struds is head of player development and local scouting
Not a confusing trade at all. This was a great trade for both teams. Edmonton got young offense and more cap space, and the Sabres got speed and defense. It’s a great trade if you don’t look at it one dimensionally.
mackinnon wasn't underpaid, he was a very average player for his first 4 years.
The pain that lives in Hayes is real.
I love watching that clown suffer because he is salty about other teams but praises the leafs all the time lol
Leafs ptsd
McLeod is a 4th liner, great value trade for the Oilers. McLeod creates no offense at all as a centerman, he only created offense when he played wing with Draisaitl. The Oilers replaced him as third line center because McLeod was not good in the role. Bad scouting by Buffalo if they think McLeod is a good third line center. Speedy 4th line player.
The Overdrive coaching wars over Matt Savoie lmfao
I can’t wait to see what Henrique will do this season
The Oilers third line might be the best in the NHL this year.
Imagine being one game from the Stanley cup and then getting sent to buffalo…
Yeah I can imagine. I live here in Buffalo we're close to a dynasty and we already have tons of talent we need more players like the signings we just made especially Zucker. But Mcleod has defensive responsibility and face ability along with the second fasted speedster in the NHL. Savoie is considered injury prone here in Buffalo and we have a bevy on centers he was expendable.
Teams, not stars, win cups. As many people as possible out-playing their contracts is the recipe for success
"why would Leon take a penny less than Matthews?" Because he wants to WIN! So I hope he takes less than Matthews..
No one is taking less to live in Edmonton…
Henrique just did, your statement is false
@@0CaptainMyCaptain hahah a third liner past his prime sure. Drai won’t take anything less than Matthew’s
@@austinpeterson1310 and he shouldn't, he's a dat better player
@@austinpeterson1310 "far better"
Crosby and MacKinnon took discounts and won cups. It's a thing.
Mackinnon didnt take a discount lmao he had 60 points when he signed his extension. Bad move on him thats all😊
Can you clowns stop talking about the Leafs and get on with the trade. Poor Struddy. God TSN sucks!
No kidding. Toronto this Toronto that 🤮
They talk about the trade at 9:30 (looks like it was breaking news at the time of this recording) for any other angry little boys raging about nothing.
Typical TSN Toronto garbage
@@karmasweapon2861 so that's 9 minutes that they should have cut out then lol
Almost like their based in Toronto
To suggest that Savoie would be expected on the opening night roster for Buffalo shows a tremendous amount of Torontonian ignorance. The guy is not (yet) a center at the NHL level from what he’s shown, and they clearly value McLeod enough to see him as a good fit on the 3rd line for them. When you look at the pipeline for Buffalo, you have your true centers in Ostlund, Wahlberg, and now Helenius. That’s it. On the wings you have Kulich, Benson, Rosen, formerly Savoie, a couple Russians, and then guys that are still super young like Quinn and Peterka who ideally play another 8 years here. They simply traded a guy at a position of strength who is valuable enough to gain a piece that helps the roster, who is still not NHL ready quite yet. It’s an overpay in a vacuum but if the Sabres play even a single playoff game next year nobody in Buffalo will really care. I think they see a lot of Jeff Skinner in Savoie where they’re not exactly believers in small, not strong guys who rely on agility over speed. With skilled linemates that speed from McLeod is going to play dividends, and Lindy has always emphasized a tough, speedy 3rd line that can still score.
Plus, Savoie was what we have been kinda bitching about for the past 4 drafts, "another small forward", that seem to be suddenly less attractive to GMKA, Lots of other centers in the pipeline, even though I never thought he would be a center in the NHL. I'm okay with it, both teams seem like they feel they improved, time is the proof.
I think this signifies a big shift in who they truly value most in the prospect pool. They want to see success against players who are bigger and stronger than you, because that’s what these prospects are going to bump into in the NHL. I’d be willing to bet they’d started to like even Rosen more than Savoie with what he’s shown against men in the AHL and how complete his game has become
Shoutout Saskatchewan 100,000 lakes
Savoie fell down the Sabres’ prospect rankings. With his size and injury history, there’s likely even a couple R2 picks more important to what they are trying to build. Local reporter mentioned they were shopping Savoie, so this wasn’t even a case of EDM counter-offering. Big names aren’t waiving NTC to come here, and Adams sort of playing Moneyball and Fantasy Football. They have a plethora of talented prospects, and needed help in other areas now.
Want to win a Cup? Play and suffer for Buffalo, get traded and win. Here's a good trivial question: How many Former Sabres have won it all?
Buffalo GM must be down syn. Savoie has extremeee potential
How is Kessel your OG leaf? Im a 98 and Phil is a mid TML player definitely way more OGs to reference
Why do Hayes and Jonas have shit eating grins the whole time. Are they high
Every year it becomes harder and harder to be a Sabres fan
Paying 2 players of a combined 30 mil is insane - more insane of the players (hockey players are a unique bunch - the majority of them are team-oriented type of person) accepting them … if they really want to win a championship … which I’m sure they do …
there’s a reason Sidney Patrick Crosby (on the Mount Rushmore of hockey & STILL playing) has 3 CUPS …
It's a spot open. They have a bunch of guys signed. If Kane can be healthy of course. It's also 1.2 mill roughly of space.
Likely able to get top 4 forwards and top 3 D for 63M
If cap pushes 100 can make it work for remaining 13 if they keep winning
hayes says it right. you out perform your contract, not that you were underpaid
Did Craig Berube come out and say that people have been mispronouncing his name for the last 30 or so years? I grew up in Philadelphia and followed his whole playing career. Also his coaching career when he was an assistant and later on the head coach of the Flyers. Never once did I hear his name pronounced "ber ROO bay". It's always been "ber ROO be"
ITS Ber OoBe
Hes from my hometown of calahoo
It’s be ru bey
Boys his agent said those words not Draisitle
Right, talk to Jeff Jackson , not the media..
I personally think that mcd and draisaitl need to sit down and have a talk.. about how many cups they wanna win in a time and age when 3 seems impossible.
Draisaitl will be signed before training camp
Thousand islands lol . Not lakes.
Arviddson and Skinner is also insurance to maybe trade Draisaitl because he becomes too expensive???
Leon's best chance to win a cup is staying in Edmonton. If he is thinking he was underpaid, he is on his way out of town.
They need and probably will move Nurse. Problem solved.
he is extremely underpaid :D ... he should be on 12-13 mil per year and he will get that kind of contract
no sound yet
give it a few and try again, this happens sometimes when you are super quick to watch uploads
It's early. I get it. It's going to be McDavid's turn. Two number 2 pics for theirs. (Jack and Sammy not to mention Ekblad s number 1 pick). My two cents
It must be a money/cap thing.
I wish David Perron was a Canuck, every team needs him in the locker room.
The oilers lack toughness. The are fast but they haven’t been able to stay away from the rough stuff.
When Leon signed, it was considered a huge overpay, good for the Oilers to sign a long term contract and believe in a player.
I wouldn’t say it was considered a huge overpay, but I get what you’re saying. In no time, that became the biggest value contract in the NHL.
@awake780 you are right but at the time a lot of people said it may not age well, depending on what kind of player he became. We all thought he would probably be really good but top 5 in the NHL was ify at best.
Nothing confusing here?
Two teams addressing needs?
No need for speculating
WTF?
Sucha good trade for the pilers this new GM is soo good
The pliers just drafted needlenose
Oilers need to sign Drai and Bouchard after next season...this season is their ONE chance. People can pretend it's not true but it is, even if they both sign that is probably 13+ and 9+ on a team with no cap to begin with.
Draisaitl will be signed before training camp
Holland traded two second round picks and Sam gagner for Andreas Anthanasiou.
Which was looking to be a good trade at the time. Too bad Holland didn't have the foresight to expect a pandemic.
Look how far we have come boys, I use to dream of times like these
I enjoy the selective memory of some people to choose to remember the worst parts of any particular detail, ignoring all the other factors involved.
@@mahockey3, that was a horrible trade at the time. The Avs trading 2 2nds for Devon Toews is a great trade.
Meh. Holland did a lot of good and never sat on his hands. The Ekholm trade changed the team.
Hayes knock it off 😂🇨🇦
Constantly talking over people with the same arguments ’Oh boo hoo leafs stars suck’ we know hayes but we are talking about the oilers. Ya but the leafs stars can’t get it done in the playoffs. Be that as it may, because you say it 300 days a year, but can we please talk about the oilers trade. Ya But leafs leafs leafs boo hoo leafs!
I love how this Struddy guy says "I don't believe in a home town discount. It's this type of thinking that makes the world suck. Yep, every last penny is more important than having to upend my life and leave a place that I'm happy at.
The 2 guys on the right would never win anything as a GM because they would pay their star players max contracts. Look at Tom Brady, took less money than he deserved and won 7 rings. The difference between making $70 million and $60 million is insignificant when you get that high in salary. You could take the max contract and never win a cup or take less and win cups.
Trading speed is hard 😂but a jack rabbit no problem ✔🇨🇦
Buffalo is small, need some size.
Not going to get any physicality from Ryan McLeod. 😂
@@harmsm3 agree. I was looking at Sabres forwards and recently drafted and after their first line there was maybe two other forwards over 6’. They draft like it is 1970.
Leafs should of kept kadri and never signed Tavares , they needed D b
Not goal scoring
Listen boys Strudy is secretly AH's agent. To be honest Strudy wanted AH in Edmonton for 2 years
sabres found a player without a no movement clause and overpaid for him, pretty simple. sabres is so screwed on the open market compared to good/tax teams.
Awful trade for the Sabres.
Excited to see if Jonas will be able to "GET" any of hockey moves this time.
If Draisel and McDavid get max contracts, they will win nothing forever. Just look at Toronto!
They have a lot more playoff success & non-corp fans in the arena.
I truly don’t get it for Buffalo. Cut Skinner but literally don’t even attempt to get better? They are thin on the blue line but yeah let’s trade one of our best prospects for McLeod. They need a true blue line or Goalie!! They could have gotten McLeod for at worst a 2nd round pick. Screams of the Oakland A’s organization right now.
We had no spot for Skinner after Peterka pushed him out of the top 6 - horrible salary and a turnovers machine. Savoie is only the 3rd or 4th best Sabres prospect (after Benson, Kulich, Hellenius) plus he's small and not NHL ready. Time will tell who wins this trade, maybe good for both teams? How can you say Sabres need defense with 4 young 1st round draft choices in the group plus Samuelsson who was the first pick in 2nd round?
Jonas is the biggest 🤡 you’ll ever have on this show
Adama is in over his head. This trade is horrible for the Sabres.
Kevyn Adams needs 3 weeks in a mental ward.
The problem with McLeod was...I didn't like the way he played hockey.
Sidney Crosby agrees😂🇨🇦🔥🇺🇸
Lmao I like how Hayes was saying are we sad to lose Foegele, you know we didn’t want to keep him right. So happy to see Foegele and McLeod gone, Oilers fans who hated Holland are literally over the moon right now 🔥
I find Hayes is so annoying, useless laffs fanboy and I love hearing him cry like a baby lol
Goal@way
Toronto Sports Network. It’s no question why we all have our own in every other city.
Need today contribution too many prospects
Blah blah blah we’re talking about the leafs again, it’s not worth listening to these guys!
Only on tsn, could this discussion devolve into a discussion about the leafs. Center of the Universe.
Sid wants to lift the cup again 😁🇨🇦🇺🇸
Is Jonas on the spectrum ? Paying guys less to spend the money on other players to create a good team never happens ? Look at the teams who have won the cup recently , no one is making over ten million and they spend the rest on good depth players. How does this guy have a job ?
Can you please replace Jonas with Frankie? Like Permanently? “Maybe this maybe that, what if! What if!” You can’t claim to be right when you are literally talking about theories. Absolutely insufferable.
Leafs core are an embarrassment to hockey
Savoie is a 5'9 forward who WON'T play in the NHL this year.
Buffalo needs to make a push for the playoffs.
Call it confusing if you want, but he wasn't going to be a better option than either Thompson or Cozens. Not for another 2 seasons, minimum.
And if you're going from a 5'11 center to a 5'9 center on your third line (your "physical" line) that's not a great option either.
Savoie WOULD be an upgrade over Lafferty, but they're invested in him. And he has a defensive side to his game.
If Edmonton wants a guy for 2-3 years from now, Savoie would be great.
But scoring goals isn't something the Oilers struggled with 🤷
Personally, and this comes from someone who has seen Savoie play dozens of games, I think this is ACTUALLY a better trade for the Sabres.
Except... that's exactly what the oilers wanted. To restock their prospect shelf by trading out a redundant 4th liner that makes 2.1mil. Trades like this, trading your 1st round prospects for soft-as-baby-crap guys like McLeod, is why buffalo will continue to be a bottom feeder.
Trade Odog for Struddy and Henrique
Feel like savoie is a flip coming later
tsn talking about the leafs again, nobody cares about those first round losers
💯
Need a little less Leafs talk, fricking Toronto guys. There is a world outside of Toronto. Maybe try talk about some teams that actually can win.
NO GUARANTEED CONTRACTS. If you don’t live up to your contract you’re FIRED.
And if you surpassed it, you get more, right? Would you agree to a no guarantee contract if you or your child was an athlete?
@@cro38363I would have no issue...under performance. Chokers and money grabbers get weeded out...if you out perform then add a bonus structure sure...
LFG matt Lavoie 😂✔🇨🇦
Kevyn Adams is out of his god damn mind lmfaooo Edmonton made out like bandits.
Jonas is annoying.
Deadly TITLE to trick into listening for 10/15 minutes of this brainfart guy talk about Leafs and their bs
when clearly struddy wants to talk about the trade that happening
DURING LIVE AIR
Buffalo ripped them off
Other way around bud 😂 like what lmao
Edmonton’s glaring problem… defence! What did they do instead bolster their offence! Did you guys just sign Kyle Dubas as your GM?
Hayes needs to cut the shtick, unbearable to watch
What dopes. They know nothing. LOL
Hayes is a muppet
Peg-Buf-Edm what a trio of cities for Savoie lmao. Buddy is gone to LA the second he hits FA.
Hes from Edmonton
@@abdualazeezabougoush7592 poor guy
@@johnathonstewart6666 Why did Victor come to Edm? Why has Edmonton owned LA for 3 years in a row?
@nishankharel4842 lmfao no way that upset you, bro
@@johnathonstewart6666 no not upset. just making a point. I know what upset you though, Oilers that live rent free in your head
Brain dead Adams
TRADE HOPKINS! He won't get in front of the net to get the dirty goals like Hyman, he doesn't show up in playoffs but he's still worth a little bit right now!
7 goals and 15 assists this last playoff run bud.... Nuge won us game 5 vs Dallas with his 2 goals that game and he only makes 5 million what the hell else you want from him
@@drogontargaryen3428 last year when he had 100+ points he was invisible in the playoffs. This year he was invisible in 3 different series. Plus he makes SIX million per year. So trading him now to get more salary cap makes sense.
pro athletes take home about 35% of their contract value. So, Marner gets paid about 3.5 million dollars in his pocket per year. Do that for someone on the lower end, you make 4, you keep 1.
What’s even worse than the trade itself is that 80% of my fellow Sabres fans love this trade and our hailing Mcleod as the new savior in Buffalo. A total embarrassment. 😢
That's the worst trade. We got rid of bottom 6 speed. Jackson garbage
Its a great trade. McLeod is not good.
Terrible take.
@@rona6063McLeod is a good face off, PK player. The speed McLeod has along with being 24 is a big loss for Edmonton. McLeod and Foogle were key to the Oilers PK being so successful. Speed kills in this league. Buffalo’s PK was last in the league? I am not convinced Savoie will be the star everyone thinks he will be. For now Buffalo got won this trade.
It’s a great trade! All McLeod has is speed, very little finish and absolutely zero physicality
Where are going to need that speed for the back check and pk. I wish I'm wrong but I believe this trade will alter our pk and bottom 6 speed for the worse.
These guys are slacking. Took 8 minutes this time to make it about the Leafs.