How Boeing Lost Its Way
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Boeing is an American institution. But one year after the grounding of the 737 Max, the company's stock has fallen by almost 50% and its future is anything but certain. So what were Boeing's failures in the aftermath of two tragedies in which the flawed plane crashed, killing 346 people, and can Boeing regain its elite status in U.S. aviation once more?
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I wondered why there was so many commercials in the first half of this video. Now I know.
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It's pretty simple: an engineering company cannot be run by accountants.
Nor can the United States be run by its politicians and accountants. They are intrinsically corrupt.
Elon Musk was right !
Not only engineering companies. Accountants have ruined a few companies here in the UK because of greed.
yes every great company losts its spirit when wall street take over
@@Comexcyc849 true
This is what happens when you replace CEOs with engineering backgrounds, and 100 years of engineering excellence, with Accounting and equity CEO's, outsourcing and stock buybacks.
sad thing is Muilenburg has a bachelor's degree in Aerospace Engineering and a master's degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics
@@farcticox1409 the decision to upgrade the 737 to 737 MAX instead of developing a new model was the CEO before him, the non-engineer one.
This is what happens when neo-liberals take control.
@Karen Patterson that one hit hard! Your absolutely right!
@Paulo Eclectik 😂😂😭
Who is here after Alaska's 737max-9 door incident?
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Why is Boeing intent on professional suicide ?
Boeing is learning a hard lesson. Profits before safety = no profits.
They will learn exactly NOTHING.
As soon as this blows over they will be right back where they were.
dummgelauft actually I think this is a wake up call and they will come out on top long term.
money is valued more than human life
@FoxIslanderSteve Wall street doesn't even benefit, just stupid contract writing that allows execs screw over everybody on all sides.
The big problem was the managers thought that they knew more about engineering than engineers. Modern management works on the principle that management is the prime asset of a company and the workers are an expense, when in reality the workers are the prime asset of a company and the management team is the expense.
Yes especially CEO is a waste
If China's commercial industry launches, eclipsing Boeing.... that would be in some twisted way poetic justice.
@@zombyanteetoutza418 but then random innocent people die in the hundreds...
Exactly
spacecadet35 or, you know, they’re both important members of the team 🙄
This is what happens when the accounting department designs an airplane.
smart username bro
Welcome to the modern world. Remember everything has to make "Cents"
@@ishid_anfarded_king because they didn't know that the final product would fail. With modern companies they "Streamline" the building process and hope that the cuts will save them money , while creating a great product. but sometimes they streamline so much that it effects the final product
I mean, for accountants they made a pretty nice plane.
Not to entirely disagree, but did the accountants tell the software engineers to design software that ignored an available second angle-of-attack sensor?
MCAS = Money Comes Above Safety
May Crash Anytime Soon
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it can also be: Max Can't Air Safely
It would make more sense to say money before safety, otherwise it sounds like money is secondary to safety which doesnt seem like what you were going for
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My dad, Cliff Curtis, was at Boeing for 36 years, with an 11 year hiatus to go into his own law practice. He worked both in engineering and legal capacities as he had both an engineering and a law degree (as well as a business degree). Hence I called him "Mr 3 degrees". At his retirement party in 2012, we viewed a DVD called "Cliff Notes", a series of memorable memos that he posted through the years to fellow employees. It also included footage of him in a meeting, where he stated in his classic understated non-dramatic style, "Inevitably, there will be downstream costs to pay" (TRANSLATION: "Planes will crash."). I was never quite sure of the context. But after seeing this video, I'm even more convinced he was referring to the cultural change from engineering excellence to cutting corners.
Why didn't he speak up and go to the press? And I bet you have enjoyed a wonderful lifestyle and education because of his silence.
@@Doriesep6622 that's quite a serious accusation. Perhaps he only had a hunch and no proof, also imagine going against very powerful people...
Props to your dad , he was an amazing man.
Very interesting read👌🏻
Very cool dude, indeed!
*"As long as greed is stronger than compassion, there will always be suffering"*
~Rusty Eric
Thats our government they get rich and we have to suffer through it.
Rusty who? What has he accomplished?
@@egpetridis shut up
Having worked for Boeing, there was a significant shift once Mullaly left. Mullaly was an engineer and knew the products. The CEO's and Commercial presidents were bean counters. Right before I left, there was significant shift in hiring more administration than engineers. Very top heavy company for no apparent reason.
Airbus all the way!
I always liked Phil Condit
@@_BusterHighmen One would be well served to re-think that. Phil Condit "drank the kool-aid and was a huge part (among many others and many other factors) of the demise of Boeing.
It's been my experience as a practicing design engineer that it is almost axiomatic that when the bean counters take over management of a successful high-tech company that is the beginning of the end for the company.
Did you work in aerospace industry ?
totally, another example: Intel
@@melanotictus Another example: McDonnel Douglas. Merged with Boeing in 1st of August 1967.
_"Designed by clowns, overseen by monkies"_ It would be funny if people haven't actually died in the result of this.
"Designed by clowns, overseen by monkies".....AND aided and abetted by our OWN government.
I wonder where all the $$$ for the head of the F.A.A. and all the people who work within the F.A.A. comes from??? Who supplies their desks and office space? Who pays for their travel? Their gear? Oh! TAX-payer funds supply all the $$$$. I see. Not getting much for our investment, are we.
@@JustMe-vk4fn everybody knows that . FAA is governed by companies like Boeing
Nah I still think it’s funny that people still think that the government can do something. The truth is that they can not.
@@kirilmihaylov1934 All these regulatory bodies have no real power: they're politically reined-in by the interests that they are supposed to oversee.
@@orlandoburgos9190 They. Can they just cannot be bothered. Imagine a leader doing the right thing on tv- That'd be a miracle.
When an engineering company gets turned into a sales company...
Not quite Stonecipher's quote, but close.
@@jeffreypierson2064 sales and stock price company
Today lost a door in Alaska and almost killed all.
Combine that with the DEI hiring at United at your chances of surviving a flight are bad.
United just had a DEI hire that set the flaps to the wrong position. The "actual" pilot saved the day by pulling the plane out of the dive at the last minute.
Fairly sure nothing happened to the DEI hire.
aljazeera called it years ago. They cut corners on safety, they even had employees on camera saying they wouldn't fly in it.
Al Jazeera is a really underappreciated news network, along with RT. You'll never hear this kinda stuff in advance on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc
@@excellenceka I completely agree. Some of the fairest and unbiased reporting that I've read comes from Al Jazeera.
@@excellenceka Yes you won't, because it's bullshit. AlJazeera docu was about 787 and they pulled it cause it didn't reach required journalistic standards. Aviation experts all over the world openly ridiculed that documentary, as they should. It was meant as a bargaining tool to lower the price of 787s to Qatar.
Arved Ludwig Al Jazeera is not a Russian news organization and they are very candid about their funding sources. Get off the Faux
Mitja Irsic Share your sources. Interesting proposition...
Boeing didn't lose its way...American schools of business and management did.
@Sam S Who do you think created those buffoons? American business culture is rife with these kinds of people. Why do you think every single major American company does stock buybacks? Why do these companies rarely reinvest their profits in their employees anymore?
Really? What changed in business studies?
@@burtonl7239 Business schools have abandoned their roles as independent academic institutions, instead serving as “cheerleaders” to American corporations in the hopes of securing donations and access. It is difficult for any business school professors, to stay objective about the ideas behind a position, if the person who holds those ideas is funding you...The business school world has successfully convinced itself that business ethics is its own thing. Oh how about that "hippocratic" oath for MBA students? A joke actually.
Every major corporation and billionaires fund universities in some or the other way. The University I did my masters in I was told that the syllabus at the business school was changed by the donations and a thinktank specifically established for that purpose by the koch brothers
There should be a limit to just how much money a man can make! When you can buy politicians or see to it your man or woman is put in certain political offices, or buy judges, Police, or influence what is taught in colleges you have to much money and that will just about always guarantee you don't have to play by the same rules as your every day Joe does, you and your family will never have to play fair and this is how being able to make any amount money will corrupt just about any man! Now you can disagree all you want but the fact is money is power and they BOTH corrupt when it becomes unlimited! There has to be a limit to just how much any man can make! If a man is making all that money, why not share that with all the people below him, the real backbone of the company like the single mothers and dads working from paycheck to paycheck while the top enjoys the fruits of the bottoms labor! We need BIG change in the way the wealth is divided in this country and it needs to start with a set limit on just how much is too much!
I am Indonesian who lives in Singapore, and I traveled back and forth between Indonesia and Singapore like once every 2~3 months. After the accident in 2018, I add new routine to my booking process, checking what type of the aircraft for that flight. I will only book if it is airbus plane. Once someone/something destroy my trust, it would be hard for me to trust again.
And it should be that way
I mean, it's perfectly reasonable when the potential consequences are so horrible.
Airbus = Toyota of Airplanes
@@Embargoman would rather travel using a reliable Toyota than a flying coffin ⚰️ named Boeing.
@@hmjs13 And Airbus is like a flying Toyota now, this means that Boeing sooner or later is looking towards it’s grave.
GE, GM, IBM, Chrysler now Boeing. Maybe some of the B-school professors can teach something different other than profit at any cost....
They should teach history
This is the legacy of Milton Friedman. A market where the companies care only about the stock holders.
TESLA, SPACEX there is a way
CEO's only care about their short term bonuses. They don't care what happens to the company in long run.
The problem is the B School professors know nothing about engineering and the engineers that go to B School get brainwashed. There's a difference between a manufacturer that makes widgets and one`s that makes aircraft, electric infrastructure, gas infrastructure, skyscrapers and ect.
Boeing lost its way when it put a businessman in charge of an aviation company. It decided shareholders were more important than safety.
they lost alot more than their way.
impylse their flight path?
They lost your way
@@FlashRyu lost it...
Namely billions of dollars and the trust of the paying public
half their value on their stock
I am European and I root for Airbus, obviously, but I hope that Boeing will find back to its core values as an engineering company that for so many years produced fine, reliable planes. Outsourcing production càn work just fine, look at Airbus, but please keep the bean counters away from the factory floor. Strong real competition will drive manufacturers to produce better planes. Airbus and Boeing need each other.
I worked at Boeing Commercial for a number of years as a design engineer. I worked with some of the most learned aeronautical engineers that I have ever known but the business management was the worst that I have ever witnessed. Why you might ask? Well simply because the company gave no respect to the very engineers that wanted to use their expertise to design safe aircraft. We were all treated like a commodity, to buy or to sell at will. And there was nothing that anyone could ever do about it.
Today I value the time I spent working with my colleagues more than I do than the time spent working for a company for which I once held great respect.
You worked at BCA? In Wash or Cal?
A prime example of corporate culture in many big firms nowadays: little innovation, stock buybacks, mediocore products, layoffs, little competition, lots of M&A activity,
huge profits, politically well-connected. We really need to think about how to inject more dynamism into capitalism again.
Bot boeing has had competition..
Airbus?
@@nutzeeer it's more a duopoly. They compete to an extent but not enough to rock the boat.
Easy, we let them fail. No more bailouts.
Boeing and General Electric have both lost their way when general management decided aeronautical or product engineering was out and financial engineering and greed was in.
true
Yep, Everyone said how great Welch was at GE. Well we all see the end result now. Boeing will be the same in the end.
All thanks to "Neutron" Jack Welsh.
Steve Jobs said it best in an interview after he was ousted as CEO of Apple. Sales people start to get promoted in successful companies. The genius that got the company to where it's at starts to get rotted out and the mindset of the company changes toward sales and profit. Boeing couldn't be a more perfect example of this.
Jobs interview - ua-cam.com/video/NlBjNmXvqIM/v-deo.html
True. Everybody should stay in their lane.
Not really, what made Boeing lose its way was more the roots from the 90s.
McDonnell Douglas essentially bought Boeing with their own money, or you can think of the parasite that gets eaten but ends up taking control afterwards.
And the reason this happened was because after the merger with McDonnell Douglas, a lot of THEIR CEO's got high positions in Boeing.
And McDonnell Douglas was very much against new designs and rather making rehashes and thinking of money and profits, so the downfall started there.
Very true for sure in this case . Sad .
Exactly, and having a Board member since 2009 now at the helm is only going to lead to more of the same results. Damn, I wish Elon had time for planes.
@@alekseysoldatenkov5675 Would be best if a company like Lockheed teamed up with Tesla to produce electric airlines.
Half the amount of MBA's in leadership positions, fill them with engineers.
Sad part is that most of those MBAs are engineering undergrads. Its a company culture problem. Its not just the expertise of who they hire its their personality and morals too
As a future Mba, it pains me to see how much MBA´s often ruins companies, if you read the book Innovators dilemma it shows the exact same thing just on a less deadly scale that we have been taught to go for short term profits rather and functional excel spreedscheets rather than a sounds strategy with focus on the product.
@Alex McAuliff To be honest i don't think the entrepreneurial mindset can't be taught in school.Its a trait.I really don't get why MBAs are overhyped, accounting degrees are much better.
Stonecipher, Condit, Albaugh, and Muilenburg were engineers and look what that got you.
Just imagine this aircraft was from China or something like that, how the media would write the news haha
Funny Thing is , China Grounded the Plane and Everyone Else took their Lead.
Yep the 737 max 8 first time suspend it come from china
IT ISN’T. IF IT IS....GE EXECUTIVES WOULD ALL BE FACING FIRING SQUAD.
apparently there has even been scrutiny in the FAA itself, they have been showing leniency and lack of oversight.
@@clementong6332 That would probably be because in China, most major companies are either state owned or controlled greatly by the state. And the state is synonymous with the CCP. Boeing is an independent, private company.
I like how she used the term "financial engineering" - it's a great term, basically moving poker chips around on the table instead of making a quality product. A terrible strategy.
Moving from innovation to profits ironically killed both
Richard Feynman, on reference to the Challenger Disaster back in the 1980s, once said, “Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled”. “Take your engineering hat off and put on your management hat” culture at NASA back in the 80s has been a textbook example when accountants and management takes over the jobs of engineers, disaster may be inevitable.
American business practice!
That's what killed them.
No, you killed them killer.
takeadayofff no, you killed the killer, killer
That's so shortsighted. Their entire phenomenal rise was based on "American" business practice as well.
@@burtonl7239 That's so short sighted - little to do with any "American" business practices. Got more to do with being a military-industrial complex and being bankrolled by the US taxpayer, aka American Socialism. Same business practices that gave us Bhopal, tobacco...
False, American cars. Safe most american planes, safe, American rockets fairly safe. Etc
I used to work for a publicly held company traded on NASDAQ. As they approached the dreaded "end of quarter" reporting period, the frequency of bad decisions increased exponentially. In order to show that X amount of product shipped that quarter, they would ship machines that had not completed their quality checks. The machines would arrive at various customers around the world with a long list of minor defects. Then our service department would spend a fortune in manpower and expenses to deal with all the issues that should have been fixed prior to shipment. This insanity would repeat every quarter. Thankfully, I don't work there anymore.
Boeing lost it when pleasing Wall Street became a higher priority than building excellence into the product. This happens **EVERY** time Bean Counters gain control of Engineering/Manufacturing companies.
We know Boeing is on the wing course so long as they're headquartered in Chicago. Move back to Seattle so management and engineering can communicate. That's the legitimate first step. All else is lip service
BS, everybody has a cell phone and manufacturing and engineering are secondary.. Chicago is closer to DC, where the magic happens. Dummy
@@drewpknutz1410 Spoken like a true Wall Street worshiper.
@@drewpknutz1410 Then why not move to DC? I think they want UA's business.
@@drewpknutz1410 thats the dumbest thing ive heard . closer? its still very very far from dc you can't drive you have to take a plane
so glad TESLA and SPACE-X has that kind of culture.
management and factory in one place. all majority is in house.
And here we are, three years on and apparently nothing has changed.
The solution is quite simple. You can't have accountants running technology companies. Because if it was up to accountants, we would still be riding horses, not driving cars.
Reminds me of Rolls Royce in the early 70's when they went under on the RB211 jet engine and called in Stanley Hooker - their former CHIEF ENGINEER to bring them back from oblivion - and NOT a bloody accountant!
Everyone used to look at these aviation giants with respect and awe, and we step on a plane everyday trusting that this is the very best of human engineering. And now, we've come to this...
The new engine did not fit on the old design. Clear as day.
Oddly enough it would have fitted ok on the MD-95/717...
It fit just fine.. it was a more powerful engine, but they tried to apply an automation solution to make the plane fly like the original engines. The idea being to save training pilots for the engine change. This is copying Airbus, who love them some automation.. and who have had their own problems with similar systems.
@@hawkdsl The larger diameter caused pitch up issues at high angles of attack. This delayed stall recovery unacceptably - MCAS improved the stall recovery time to the acceptable level.
@@hawkdsl No the engine is NOT more powerful. It is just physically bigger. It burns much less fuel than the previous version for the same thrust however.
@@allangibson8494 Thanks, that's what I was getting at though.
Narrator: 2019 is not the best year for boeing.
2020: Hold my beer.
2021: Hold my whiskey.
@Teresa FaintSmile actually, their stocks are up. And I’m not saying that I’m a Boeing fanboy, just like to tell you,
2021: a hundred 737MAX have been grounded again, the 777X keeps adding delays, the whole 787 production is being moved to the SC plant with quality control issues... They aren't recovering this year either
@@osasunaitor oh yeah .bad news for the flying public
2021: Hold my cockpit
The money guys came in, cut production cost (quality&safety), resulting in a better bottom line and bigger bonuses.
D. Frank - ...and 348 fatalities from 2 foreseeable & preventable air crashes. The bean counters need to be tried for multiple counts of murder in a country where conviction doesn’t result on a slap on the wrist.
They killed the golden goose squeezing every last drop out of the firm.
@@grahamt5924 And the C-suite doesn't care, because they got theirs.
When Detroit pushed engineers out of the way for the accountants Japan showed up and kicked their butts. Same with Thiokol and the Challenger disaster. The engineers said no but balance sheet experts had the final say.
Chinese comac are coming for Boeing the way Japan came back then 👎
The phrase " time to take off your Engineering hat and put on your Managment hat" is probably the dumbest thing ever said inside the walls of Thiokol.
Former Detroit automotive managers infiltrated US aerospace companies during the decline of the US automotive companies in the 1980. That is when I saw the writing on the wall. They came to the aerospace industry knowing anything about yet started questioning and managing everything as if they were still building cars. They are a huge part of the equation of where Boeing is today.
@@alcoyne3333333333333 Boeing has a lot more to worry about than COMAC. Until COMAC greatly improves their wing technology and fully understands aircraft systems integration they are not much of a threat. Look at how long it has taken them to develop that plane and only a few airlines outside of China has ordered any. Airbus, Bombardier, and Embraer are light years ahead of COMAC
Thank you Boeing, for handing sales to the superior manufacturer
Some dude from Europe
Yes, now Airbus has the lead and they deserve it. All knew the 737 was finished with NG modell. For all the money now lost they could easily have designed a completely new modell. Also, it was a big mistake to dump the 757. So you American must fly a A321 XLR designed in Hamburg, Germany.😂
@@robertradmacher4135 Yet buying American then your best plane is built in Mobile, Alabama.
@@Embargoman In Mobile, Alabama the final assembly is carried out after the parts are shipped from Europe, the A320s assembled in the US are for the markets in the US, Canada and Latin America.
@@dennis12dec Their is also Airbus planes that are made in China for the Chinese market.
@@Embargoman Yes there's an Airbus final assembly hall located in Tianjin, Liaoning Province, spot on but the parts are manufactured in Europe and flown to China for final assembly. The A320 final assembly hall in Hamburg, Germany are for markets in Europe, Asia, Middle East, Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
Once your livelihood surrendered to the Wall Street guys, you’re lost.
"To their credit - they did"....(meet the deadline on the 737 Max etc.) Clearly they DIDN'T - it's like saying that they actually met the deadline with the 787 also by presenting an empty shell.
"Unfortunately some of the critical engineering decissions that were made....." Again, untrue. The unfortunate decissions were CLEARLY not made by engineers. They were made by management fixated on changing an aircraft unfit to the changes they wanted and then forcing the engineers to handle it by introducing bad systems. Furthermore, the new systems were purposely down-played by Boeings management and even by FAA-"inspectors", paid by Boeing.
These people are killers, plain and simple.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Richard Feynman
The ultimate irony here is that Richard Feynman's statement applies as much to accounting and business as to technology. Why is this not taught in business school?
@@fewerbeansplease they should really be teaching ethics in business school. it should be an absolute requirement.
When Engineers were sidelined by accountants and lawyers ... it is first and foremost an Engineering company ..
Boeing became arrogant, I sent them a letter once with a design idea, I was told that they probalby already thought of it and mind my own business. Sad my dad cut my teeth on the B-52
I was at Boeing in Everett, WA in 2011 AD and what I learned about the Boeing culture completely shocked me. I was an architect with IBM and we worked on the Boeing Electronic Delivery Service (BEDS) which is responsible for all the Loadable Software Airplane Parts (LSAP). Employees were angry at management because of the relocation of their headquarters to Chicago, and also the labour dispute that resulted in a 2nd 787 factory to Charleston, SC. On an individual level, the folks there were very nice, but they had become demotivated with Boeing.
What’s LSAP could you explain more please, what the function is and what it does?
@@arbjful Due to regulations, a plane's certification, manufacturing and maintenance is an extremely arduous process. LSAP stands for Loadable Software Airplane Parts. Prior to BEDS, every piece of software that was delivered to a specific plane, I don't mean the model, but to an exact serial number of the plane, had to be delivered by a special courier using CD's. And the approval and provisioning of the soft have a complex bureaucracy above it. And software requires continuous updates during the lifecycle of the plane. There is software for avionics, engine control, entertainment system, HVAC, communication, navigation, just to name a few.
For the 787 Boeing needed a new system, and thus IBM was contracted to build a Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) to support this complex process just on the technical side.
By 2010 AD, the 787 was already late and the BEDS project was in trouble as well. I on boarded to the project in late 2010, and slowly helped on the project as an architect on BEDS, which at least facilitated the software issues on the production 787's, which was then successfully launched in late 2011, where ANA took delivery of the first one with a lot of fanfare.
Meanwhile I was shocked at the work culture at Boeing.
@@edwardwong654 wow amazing process, never knew the complexity involved.
@@arbjful Trust me, it is not as exciting as it sounds. The Boeing folks were awesome. I felt closer to them than my IBM teammates. Nevertheless the Boeing culture was dysfunctional. The system was very complex in both the technology and the business rules. I overheard things from the Boeing folks (engineers I think) that scared me. I used to joke that I would never fly in one. fast forward 2019 AD, and my company, not IBM, bought me RT ticket from Saigon to London. It was actually quite comfortable, even in coach. But what those people did on the 737 MAX is criminal. Also, all code releases had to be scrutinised and approved by the FAA. I was also on a project at St Jude Medical, where all code had to be approved by the FDA. The problem is that they are all in bed together, no pun intended.
Maybe the title should be "How Boeing and the FAA Lost Their Ways"
Had to come back here after the Alaska Airlines 737 MAX 9 debacle 😅
Here we are in 2024 and Boeing still hasn't learned anything lol
This is very sad. One of America's oldest and most respected aircraft manufacturers, who made the famous 80+ years old B-17, 29 and 52 heavy bombers and that won wars and survived terrible combat damage, as well as iconic airliners, have planes of today that have teething troubles like the wood and fabric biplanes of pioneer aviation.
WHY ISNT DENNIS MULLENBERG IN PRISON?!!
Cuz he's a white guy and a former wall street hero!
because he had nothing to do with anything, except for maybe his reaction. The MAX was designed and implemented by the previous CEO, but I know you idiots are too lazy to do any research
@@drewpknutz1410 Did the former CEO get into any hot water? No? See...
We are watching again 😢
The fact that Stonecipher came from the malevolent management incubator at GE speaks volumes.
The tragic, but inevitable result when the bean counters take over the pilot's seat.
KLM didn’t want to buy 787’s from a specific plant because the QA there was appalling
Let's not forget the Space program debacles with SLS and Star liner.
Dennis Muilenburg was fired the day after a 'failed' star-liner test flight.
Also when Delta Airlines ordered Bombardier CSeries Boeing lobbied to US government to put 300% import tariff on the plane. So Airbus bought CSeries program (now called Airbus A220) and build the planes on their Alabama factory. Meanwhile Boeing terminated their partnership with Embraer so they have no equal plane to A220
Moving Boeing's head office to Chicago where thry have no factories is a prime symptom of what has gone wrong at Boeing...
It happens when engineers realize management no longer cares or wants to hear about engineering issues delaying timelines. It changed from an engineering company to a profit based focus company.
as a nervous flyer, I find myself going out of my way to look for airbus flights over Boeing to be honest
Facts! Same, I intentionally only fly Airbus. Call me crazy, paranoid, idc 🤷🏽♀️
4:52 This grandstanding is incredible
„Disruption of communication between engineers and management“. That sounds familiar to me.
Nice euphemism for "management ignoring engineers to make more money"
It happens in more organisations than we think. Me being and engineer and even the maganement also being engineers for the company I work for, communications always fall on deaf ears.
More like Financial people dictating what an airplane had to do and then expecting the engineers to design one that would do it, regardless of what kind of compromises had to be made.
Disruption be design by moving headquarters across the country away from all those pesky engineers...
Boeing ran into GE Jack Welch management, Wall St shareholder value management. Don't worry, Wall St got bailed out again today, and all of Boeing upper management that ran the company into the ground will retire rich! So sorry about American jobs, American engineering expertise, American R&D, that all got sent to China or destroyed.
Glen Last
Absolutely correct!!
Couldn't have said it better myself. Eventually, GE will be found out. There's actually a research paper on it. Too bad Welch won't be around to witness the homecoming of what he started.
When the first crash happened, armchair pilots like myself scoffed when fingers were pointed at Boeing. We immediately blamed the pilots because all they had to do was hit the trim cutoff switches.
But when pilots hit those switches, they don’t turn off MCAS, they just cutoff MCAS’s ability to change the plane’s nose. How? By turning off the electric motor that controls the flight control surfaces responsible for controlling the plane’s nose.
With that motor off, they had to literally pull out handles and turn them by hand to move those heavy, motor less, control surfaces. And when flying at 500+ km/h, the aerodynamic forces acting on those control surfaces will make turning that handle virtually impossible.
Still, a lot of armchair pilots blamed the pilots of the lion air and Ethiopian plane crashes simply because they weren’t American.
Didn’t know how many people got bankrupt listening to Cramer until I was bankrupt 😡😡😍
The moment à company goes public it usually loses it's soul. Boeing has lost its soul long time ago.
+Owesome Music
Quite so. Also the FAA, once the premier civil aviation authority on the planet , has lost pretty much all its credibility.
Dermot Jordan Apparently because they don't have the money Boeing has their top people leave to work for Boeing.
@@SuperScratch1 The FAA in the early '70s colluded with MD management to play-down the need for urgent airframe mods to the DC-10 after a cargo-door blew off an early-production model. The plane that crashed near Paris in '74 lacked some of the mods, such as the vents between the passenger-cabin and the cargo-hold. Anything to protect sales and profits.
Anon Anon Unbelievable I can't believe this. I think these guys pyschotic. And wall street is the biggest hypocrite ever. They want profit at all cost and when something bad happens they call for the CEO to resign.
I'm an Aerospace engineering student and several of my Professors have said that the current 737 Max should never fly again.
Well, at least due to COVID it won't this year, not sure about next though
Imagine a black CEO putting Japanese corprate culture on Boeing!
It is now in the air
Check the aircraft section on your tickets gentlemen
This aged like fine wine
Boeing is a company run by MBA types, not engineers. The Boeing engineers are bullied into doing a cheap engineering solution.
Put the engineers back in charge of the company.
100%, better, cheaper, faster...ever faster.
Even the engineers got greedy by the pressure in Wall Street.
Mike McGlock like u know...
@Carl Hinton it was because its cheap. They cut the cost of retraining pilots.
They also cut the cost by not designing an airframe that fit the engines. They took a hardware issue and solved it with software. That's a red flag in itself.
@@Aliquis.frigus Exactly. If Boeing had designed an airframe that fit the engine there would have been no need for MCAS.
Fortunately, an emphasis on shareholder value at the expense of the product has not occurred at other companies and industries.
garnet stewart Not yet ,but it will it's the American way
It's a low form of wit.
Hey wanna hear a joke?
Boeing cares about our safety
😂
Lol
That joke is gonna cost us 500+ casualties
-Boeing
Nice👌
It's all about GREED at the top. Ruthless managers and CEO's are responsible.
They were maximizing profits by up sales. The Feature that could have avoided these tragedies were sold as add on for extra money. more money, more bonuses for CEO'S.
So tragic. My heart goes out to the families of all the victims. All major companies prioritizes profit over human lives and integrity. Disgusting.
Airbus takes care of passengers
We had the Kodak Moment, now we've got the Boeing Moment - that moment when you realise you've totally trashed your company's reputation.
Boeing CEO: There is nothing wrong here! Where's my bonus?
sounds about right
Challenger and MAX.... Same problem.. instead of listening to engineers (because they say what bosses don't want to hear), they prefer to listen to bosses that have no clue on what is happening (but that will get big fat bonuses for ignoring the engineers)
Investors should be there to support companies, not the other way around.
If it’s Boeing then I ain’t going
More like “if it’s max I’m not pax”
I see what you did there giggity!
"Well, at least we only killed foreigners" says they. 'Well, and an American or two, but on foreign land". "Fix the plane? No! We got to fix the share price!!"
✈ Ralf Nader should write a book about the Boeing 737 Max. He could title it, "Unsafe at any altitude".
Why aren't those executives ALL in jail!!
So you want to sent the real owner of America to jail? This CEO controls the country, decides if we go to war or not, they make the law? They are above the law.
1. Because hard proof is needed.
2. Because they will rather pay a fine before investigation uncovers any proof.
3. Because victims of air crash will also rather receive money than pursue a big corporation, so Boeing can settle with them.
Ha, this guy thinks rich white people face consequences
it'd be nice to add dates when using tv interview clips.
Thanks for the feedback, will definitely think about adding that next time. I think it would be a nice way to keep you rooted in the timeline of events.
Boeing needs to get rid of EVERY remaining McDonnell Douglas executive and also needs to go back to be an engineering-focused company.
That`s exactly my thought aswell. As soon as McDonnell Douglas got involved, it went downhill.
IT would be interesting to compare how Boeing is being run compared to it's biggest competitors and the importance of the innovation and engineering in these companies. It's interesting to see that Airbus for example did move it's head office to Toulouse where it's main engineering and innovation center is placed while Boeing moved it's headquarter to Chicago.
12:58 there's different ways of getting your profit up
1) one is just that you make the best product imaginable
2) the other is Boeing way 😂
For most of Boeings existence they made the best products available but like the video shows it was taken over by a bunch of vulture corporatists putting profit before people.
@@DanM012324 It's always easy to blame bad stuff on inhumane capitalists, tell me of a company that doesn't put profit before people. If that's the only thing taken from these incidents, they're bound to happen again
@@stettinerzipfel4385 Unfortunately, the Boeing is on the top of the list so as 99% American Companies.
Focus on your customers and the bottom line looks after itself. Focus on your bottom line and sooner or later your customers will look somewhere else.
I mostly agree. You still have to run a company well and efficiently. Just keep in mind that the customer is the airlines and American Airlines is the entity that squeezed Boeing to make a new 737 vs a new model.
@Gerd Wiesler When the profiteers crash a business, they just go somewhere else.
Boeing's biggest mistake was when they put something other than safety at the top of their list of priorities, because in doing so they have destroyed the level of trust that many of their customers had in the company.
Earlier this year we have seen previously loyal Boeing customers KLM, Qantas and Air Canada switch suppliers for their narrow-bodied, short-haul airliners to Airbus.
The ironic thing is that it was due to Boeing's fears and insecurities about competing with Airbus that drove the Boeing hierarchy into cutting corners that ultimately lead to the problems/issues that they have now.
Very shortsighted but the worst has to be the unfortunate loss of lives from both flights and to think that it could have been avoided.
♥️ A I R B U S ♥️ 🇪🇺
Why? They made the exact same mistake years earlier; Air France 447 in which inexcusible software design failed to take data from a second pitot tube.
@@rabidbigdog bad pilot training is to blame, the autopilot disingaged, the pilot then stalled the plane for minutes afterwards
@@andreas4010 Yes, the mistake continued because there was no valid data from ONE sensor. You need to read the full report. Airbus corrected their systems to include all available Pitot sensors.
@@rabidbigdog notice how the A330 is still flying and was never grounded
@@MrJimheeren Can you expand on what you mean perhaps. Recorders for Air France 447 were not found for nearly 2 years. On what basis would it have been grounded?
I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost boeing in the next 6-10 years. They are in serious trouble now, especially with the 787 quality control incidents. I’m a boeing guy, but this is not ok. Boeing needs to find it’s way again. They can’t stay like this for any longer.
Horrendously dangerous business practices by Boeing furthermore there is a lack of quality control, workmanship and discipline within Boeing.
How does an “augmentation” system assume complete authority over an aircraft? Sounds like the “roll it out now and we’ll apologize later” mentality I encountered in the telecom industry.
@Derp 101 Not true. Can be turned off. But that needs to happen quickly.
Frederick Deal - Actually, you can only cut off the electric power to the stabilizer completely, which means you have to adjust the stabilizer manually. This is slow and difficult. If it has moved too far, it is impossible. They should have added a switch to disable MCAS trim while preserving the operation of the trim switches on the yoke. The revised MCAS won’t do that, but part of the fix is to limit the action of MCAS to just one cycle, and to limit the amount of adjustment.
I went to the Washington Boeing factory a couple years ago, I remember the tour guide person saying that Boeing was the safest plane company by far. I also remember the tour guide telling our group to live by a quote. It was, " If its not Boeing, I'm not going". Hurts to see how much they changed.
New motto, If it is Boeing I am driving.
@@greglane3978we went to the air museum in Seattle last year. It was beautiful, so much aviation history in one place. The first Boeing factory (made all in wood and brick) was so fantastic. I have been on the factory visit too, it was an amazing experience,truly unique
It is just bad engineering to design anything with a single point failure. Boeing should know better.
They known better than anyone but designed it any way because adding a dual sensors system means it's a critical system which mean it'll require additional training from pilot (train on what to do if system fail). Just like a petty criminal, they know it's wrong but decided to do it anyway for money.
Not just Boeing, but HUMANITY should know better. The sinking of the Titanic was the biggest moment in history for man to learn that all major transport machines require multiple fail-safes concerning the control of vessel, and safety of all on board. There's no exceptions, nor excuses for getting this wrong.
I agree but with clarification
1) it's bad to design "critical" systems with a single point of failure, i.e. ideally they should be "Fail-safe" or "Fail-soft".
2) Where Fail-safe/soft is not possible (or feasible) in critical systems, "Safe-life" design should be applied.
@@mukamuka0 Wow, I had no idea. That answers a lot of questions
Airbus knows better!
The simple fact that we know is their executive got greedy and that's all. While they enjoy their big fat bonuses people are dead but Boeing is not alone.... That's the fact!
LightMagic Image Media Boeing is alone
It’s kind of pathetic that being profitable is no longer the sign of a successful company, but growth.
I appreciated hearing this story. It is a great loss when profit-demands outweigh safety and master craftsmanship. The original Boeing was the star! ⭐
We will all curse Wall Street one day; many already do.
I get the sentiment...just keep in mind that just regular people with pensions and 401k's are driving the focus on profits/stock prices. People chasing returns so that they can save too little over a career and still retire well.
4 years later, this is now painfully obvious