Roland Fantom-0 Deep Dive - The Perfect Keys for Performance?
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2024
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» 0:00 What We Are Doing In Today's Video
» 1:07 What Would Jack Need?
» 2:02 Scenes vs Patches
» 3:45 Pianos
» 4:33 Adding a JUNO-106 Pad
» 7:20 Using Pads to Solo Sounds
» 8:30 Electric Pianos
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» 15:09 JUNO Synth Sound
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This was absolutely the best concise description of the differences between the 2. Less than 10 minutes instead of 40 when you can't remember what was said 30 minutes before. great job.
Jack, it’s always a pleasure and thank you as well Falcon 👏🏻.
Great video. I’m very happy with my Roland Fantom 08. Loving it and got it from you guys… excellent service and advice btw. 🙏
Great job Gents. Sounds very good.
well done... Great to have a Roland Rep to point out the differences. This is definitely a "live" performance keyboard. which is what I am looking for. Thanks
As a Fantom OG user this thing is a beast man. $2000 for the 88 is a steal in this market. The Fantom X launched at $2000 for 61 keys. Phenomenal all around workstation.
Fantom is a radically different beast, no?
@@Jason75913 the guy is referring to the Fantom X which was the OG back in around 2001. I still use and play that board even with my current setup with the FA, but yes this "budget" Fantom is definitely a beast compared to the 24 yo grandad.
This is more a giging keyboard than a workstation. Amazing functions for live playing!
Looks a superb keyboard this
Thank you for this video! Having just received the Fanton 08 and never having had a modern synth, this video was perfect for me to start enjoying as I had no clue what to do before. The Roland manuals all are terribly confusing! Thanks for making this video! Make some more that show a newbie how to use the sequencer!
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Major Polyphony problems. Beware.
Jack's gig-weary cynicism is glorious to behold
Great demo guys!
There must be a book in “tales from a function band’!
The Fantom 07 I ordered few hours ago just shipped today and on its way to my house!! Yeeehaaaa!!
This is hands down pretty much the best all round workhorse one can want!
Agree, 'i like it, a lot' *Edit - If not auto faders then LED alongside them, is a must.
Behringer X-touch mini is a dream for this and thanks to Anderton's I got mine for £48
No saving of mini preset in DAW on any project. Just go back in to any project and mini links up where it left off with correct position of LED. Rolando? LED on faders, I thank you
Yep, for music stores, it includes the only presets they will ever use for every damn synth demo: piano, Rhodes, organ, saw wave 😆
I bought it and I can't even play
@@justiniangoldrif Haha, love it. Nah, you can play my friend, enjoy the journey 😎
@@justiniangoldrif LoL !
I've been up many sleepless nights enjoying my Fantom-06. This is such a wonderful keyboard. The amount of sounds in there are just CRAZY!!!! And they are all FANTASTIC!!!! I really like the electric pianos in this. The synth sounds are also breathtaking! The overall synth is very intuitive and the sequencer is the nicest I've ever used on a keyboard workstation. I'd say, this is the most enjoyable and user-friendly workstation keyboard I have ever owned so far.
This is my second Fantom. I thought my original Fantom S 61 was very intuitive (and it was compared to the other workstations of the era). However, this current generation Fantom 0 series (as well as the flagship Fantom keyboards of course) are fantastic!!!
How do you like the key bed? I am thinking of the 07. Thanks.
@@volksbahn I actually like the keybed on the Fantom-06. It's not quite as nice as the one on the flagship Fantom or the old Fantom-S 61 I had, which h both have aftertouch. However, it still has a very nice feel to it as far as synth action. The keybed on the Fantom-07 is pretty much the same as the one on the 06.
@@kvmoore1the keybed is still a much higher quality than found on some standalone midi controllers from novation, native instruments, etc.
@@Simbor-rh1dj I definitely agree.
Great video!…could you do one on Studio Use for composers and producers? Exploring the sound palette, VST editor, DAW integration, the audio over USB, sound expansions etc?
Dope!
That piano sound just cost me £1200 😁. Jacks comments about brass was a revelation. I thought it was just me that could never quite get it to work through a PA, but sounded great at home.
brilliant... but how do I increase reverb or find different reverb presets ..it isnt under the FX section and the reverb control on the panel is limited - no hall etc
I just got the Fantom-08 and it's amazing
Hi. Great video. I want know how to delete a tone in the Roland Fantom 0 after imported ?
Can you assign performances to the phrase pads?
Just ordered it. Owner of Nord electro 6 and Modx6, Fantom-06 is a perfect fit !!
Cool 😎 That's special, and a 'line-up' that will bide well into your future, ... the envy of the block, for creative keyboard rock ... 😉
I bet the keybed on the Fanton 0-6 is much better than on the MODX6?
Which one is better? Roland Fantom 06 or YAMAHA MODX 6?
Electro 5D Korg Nautilus, MODX & FA06 should I upgrade the FA06 to Fantom 06?
Upgrading will always be on a needs basis of course. You'll gain access to the Zencore engine and numerous other improvements but you'll also lose a few things as you've likely gathered. Things like the linear sequencer, dbeam, axial expansion/Integra, export functionality and so on. I tend to prefer the action of the FA's as well - but touch is extremely personal (rather than a simple 'definitive better or worse').
So you might see it a bit more like a side-grade in some areas and an improvement in others. If you don't have access to Zencore, like the idea of using it with Ableton and the sequencer issue doesn't concern you it's a worthwhile upgrade. Personally I am not the biggest fan of zencore sonically (prefer Integra/SN) and the FA still has that in spades. So it would make less sense for me personally, as I run my Rolands with other boards (which have their own features to bring of course).
I believe there is less memory with the o series so how many of the expansions can you download and add.
Maybe someone here can help me with this: I bought a Fantom-06 a few months back as soon as it became available here. But after looking into it, I came to the conclusion that the Model Ecpansions weren’t available on the 06, and yet here it is with model expansions loaded in. I’ve seen posts during my search saying “update to firmware 2.1 to get them” but the newest firmware for the 06 on Roland’s site is 1.20. So how do you install them?
Jack is like a kid in a candy store running wild; Andy is chasing him to replace his collar.
Do you still feel this way, now that you've gotten your Akai MPC Keys61 - and have used the Akai for live Gigs? Waiting on the follow-up video. On the fence as to which one to purchase first since they are both at a similar price point.
Andy, once again, showing he has the patience of a saint 😉
Most likely, it has to be on his resume, as it comes w his territory, especially when he visits "Jack" at Anderton's, ... 😆 😁 No, just kidding, but yes I agree, Andy uniquely fits in, (or pairs up) very well in this context, or "staged live" role.
I found it to be humorously "entertaining", as well as elucidating.. They made their good sell points in presentation, to be sure, IMO.
Andy has the sense of fun that an onion has.
@@JayTheLane so, several layers of fun?
I love mine. I have already gig with mine several gigs. I have the 76 key version and love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This keyboard is a beast. For the money you can’t beat it. The Big Fantom price is twice as much as the O!!!!
I'm a Las Vegas 🎰 DJ and bought the 06 🤗
How do you like the key action? Is the key bed similar to FA-07? In case you had a chance to play that. Thanks.
Do any of you know how the action compares to the VR-09 (which I didn’t like)? Thank you
Major polyphony issues. Return or avoid.
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Ordering a Fantom 08.
I've been rocking my Roland FA06 since its release but i've found the live playing aspect to be lacking. The touch screen quick access and ability to use the sliders for patch levels/scene control is what I need to give me full confidence and access to all my go-to sounds in a live situation.
Great vid. Looking at one to possibly replace my twenty year old Korg Triton Extreme.
Either this or a Yamaha MODX 6.
MODX6 is my choice.
@@n8goulet Why? Have you read the reviews? How about the lack of controls? And the few faders they do provide (why is Yamaha so stingy on faders?) don't even map to your DAW, WTF. I admit I was gonna get the MODX also but the 76 key isn't in stock. I may still consider the 88 weighted key version at a later date. Right now I'm drooling over the Korg Nautilus but eagerly awaiting my Fantom-07 to be delivered. Pound for pound seems to be the best value. And when's the last time you seen a lever and 2 mod wheels to choose from and assign. You want a lever/joystick with any other brand its gonna be excluded to their flagship, again-WTF
@@Voitcu plus the MODX UI is convoluted and unintuitive, forces you to menu dive more, the MODX keys on any version are awful next to Krome and Nautilus keys and especially Fantom-0 keys, and MODX insert FX scoop out the lower midrange as you mix them in
It depends in what capacity you intend to use the Modx. Alone, with other complimentary boards and so on. In many instances the Yamaha is the right choice. Not everything is purely down to a contrast of specs.
If I needed a single synth to do many things, I would consider something like this but luckily I have space to put in multiple gear.
Not a real fan of large keybeds, but again if I had no choice other than 1 keyboard, something like this would be suitable.
Wonderful keyboard. Mine has just arrived. But Roland could be more creative on naming its products. As far as I'm concerned, this is Fantom-06 because the bigger one is called Fantom-6. But there is also a FA-06, which makes Google and music store's sales people very confused. I've heard there are also Fantom-S, Fantom-X and other discontinued Fantoms around. Quite confusing. When Roland announced this new Fantom-06 I didn't get, because I was sure it already existed somehow. I think this is the fate of the Junos in the future.
They should call it the ORGASM ! oh wait that would work better as a KORGASM !
Tell me about it, it's a marketing failure 🙄 I was at a music shop today and wondered if they had this new keyboard. I saw they had two Fantom keyboards with slightly different names. I thought they were both previous models, but wasn't 100% sure because the naming is so damn similar. I could've spent time looking it up on my phone or waiting for a salesperson, but right now I just don't care enough to bother. Sorry Roland, but the name confusion is a sales barrier.
Also, if I get the keyboard, I know I'm going to be battling the name issue for the next few years: trying to filter the right Google/UA-cam results for tutorials, over-clarifying the model's name when asking for help on forums, buyer confusion when I try to sell it in a few years, etc etc.
@@Prizm44 Fantom-0 is literally a slightly different version of the FA, so tutorials for either with apply to the other, but the sequencer on each is very different. Then FA "Studio Sets" are called "Scenes" in the Fantom-0. The rest is pretty samey. The Fantom-0's touchscreen makes it a little more user friendly. The FA's WAV export of any song you compose on the keyboard didn't get carried over to the Fantom-0, but you can still record a full mix to a sample pad on either keyboard.
I'm wondering, If I have the Roland Ultimate cloud membership - I'll be able to add all the old synths as an engine to my Fantom-06 without buying them separately, right?
Wondering this too. Honestly if I can't there's no way I'd justify the purchase, but being able to take these great sounds I'm already paying for on the road is a bit of a game changer.
what's the alternative for polyphony? I encountered a lot of cuts and that's frustration for me :(
This was better than last week's Graham Norton! :)
Can you send a midi code to this Fantom from my ipad and have the Fantom pull up the right preset patch?
i want!
I am really impressed with the organs on the Fantom 0. I was going to buy a Yamaha MODX but aborted getting it because of the lack of a proper organ engine.
I own a Roland D-50 and D-70 🎹 Synthesizer. And a Yamaha DX7.
I just ordered a Fantom-06 today!
As a DJ that's all l need to perform on stage!🤗
v.nice - i don't even workstation and i want one - that organ is :-)
Not the best sounds, but the best user interface ever
Is it possible to change patches/move to next sound using a footswitch pedal ? Has anyone tried it?
check System Settings or Scene Settings, the keyboard can do that
does the Fantom allow the rotor speed to be assigned to the pedal
Yep
I know this may be a dumb axx question from one musician to another. But I’ve never purchased a keyboard to where I have to run stereo to get the best sound out of it. Until now! I have the FANTOM-06. Can someone explain to me how does it work? Like can you run stereo sound from one amplifier or do I need to purchase 2? Or 2 Monitors? PLEASE HELP! Thank you! 😭
I don’t know abt others but I have two amps, I plug the L and outputs into each
17:17 I guess the "random cover band"setlists are the same everywhere in the world, I learned all those songs as well XD
A number of times when buttons are being pressed to change from one screen or element to another and the camera doesn't show which button clearly and neither guy says which button so I was unable to follow along. Any chance of adding some overlay text explaining which buttons are pressed?
Have you ever learned anything by following YT "tutorial' videos? And this is a demonstration video, not a tutorial. So read all of the manuals, Reference in particular. It will take time and practice (at least two months if you are a complete newbie) to get a grip on things.
@@alicaramba7680 Yes, I've learned tons from various tutorials and always grateful for it. Simply asked contributor (not you) if an improvement that would help many was possible. No need to get salty and leave sarcastic response. Scroll on by if my request doesn't jive with ya
Bro, I feel 18:06! They just look at you after playing the greatest solo of your musical career, without missing a note, and the reverb and delay were hitting JUST right, sweating in all areas, I mean ALL! And they are just staring, and a few golf claps like, that's all you got? ok, Rant over. LOL, SMH Anyhow, you sound good my man! And I love these Reviews!
How do I add even just two model expansions? There isn’t enough internal memory!
Do yiu have himalayan tube and stakka heaven
if the requirements are just good piano, rhodes, hammond and synths I much prefer the Yamaha YC for the same price
I took a long look at the Yamaha YC. But what it lacks is the ability to split and layer more than three ways. Also Yamaha is have serious supply chain issues with their vendors at this time. I just returned a defective MODX8 because Yamaha could not make the part available to repair it.
Rackmounted module pleeease
It’s Zencore on a laptop 😎
Hi..Why having latency on quickly changing scene ? After quickly changing scene the next scene takes micro seconds latency and missing notes to play meantime. (It’s not about SCENE REMAINS…Thanks
Jack, I used to think there was something wrong with you (mentally) but now you're my all time favorite go to guy for keyboard reviews. LOL
Great keyboard but my older FA series has a few things these Fantom 0s don't have: "Supernatural" pianos and drums, SD card slot, and linear sequencer. If I was going to get a Fantom it would be the flagship, not this cheaper version.
I would agree that FA is a superior instrument in many respects, outside of some modern convenience. This is merely a way of bringing Zen/Fantom to an affordable price but there is a big cost there in capability. Like you I'd rather go all in if I were using the technology rather than become frustrated at the much lower spec board itself. FA remains a great standalone live choice.
Someone please tell me what I’m doing wrong. I picked up this board today, and my concert bright piano sounds nothing like that. In fact I’m very underwhelmed by the piano sounds. Has me going back to keyscape. Help?
What do you mean by 'nothing like that"? Like in a video? Well, it sounds fairly bad. You shouldn't to expect Fantom-0 to replace dedicated digital piano with best piano sounds available today and at lower price. Another thing, you likely get used to Keyscape piano sounds thus anything different may sounding "bad" to your ear. Keyscape piano ua-cam.com/video/gceDhgfoGBU/v-deo.html hardly sounds any better to me than general Fantom/Fa piano sounds.
@@alicaramba7680 I’m saying my Fantom does not sound like what I’m hearing in this video. I wish it did. Mine sounds very muffled and lacking body. I’m curious if they made notifications to enhance their solo sounds. That’s why I’m asking.
@@dmas81 then just EQ the piano? sound like you want treble boost
there are many who'd advise treble boost for MODX, Roland keyboards, Korg keyboards, etc.
You should never base a perspective on a lone video performance. Because it's normal for them to have a custom signal chain, a room prepared for the showcase and an audio tech/engineer to try and make things as transparent as possible. Most of the time they give you a standardized feature breakdown only. Instead it's better to compare numerous other examples, to determine if its worth listening to in person (narrow it down before hand). Following that, when you get your hands on the device for trial, you can then determine if the feel is suitable and it's a good opportunity to test the sound in person - with the direction of a sales rep/demonstrator if required - to make a final choice. Bare in mind their are cultural differences, so I've tried to guess what you might have available at your own retailer.
It's unusual for a keyboard workstation in this category to be used like a dedicated digital Piano. Not that people don't here and there -- just that a truly accurate and inspiring acoustic representation is why DP's and dedicated software exist. Think of the flagship Fantom - where people praise the Vpiano. The Pha-50 and so on. They aspire to chase that perfect sound but even that can actually come up short. Because something designed to be so versatile - is used to tweaking and setting up. It's not going to be immediate out of the box in the fashion a much more limited and specific to use device will be. Thats what sells Nords, Yamaha DPs and to a lesser extent the Korgs.
You can always @Jack if you're struggling. I am sure he can easily put your mind at ease in regards to whatever it might be that you're missing comparatively.
Since it doesn’t have aftertouch a pedal would be good for a parameter
11:00 The piano and pad dropping out because of glissando is weird. The Zen-Core is supposed to be better than the Fantom's of old, especially in polyphony, no?
Polyphony has been an issue for the Fantom from day 1. You can reserve voices in the Scene settings per Zone, but generally it drops out much earlier than one would expect for the year and money. If you activate Scene Remain for seamless Scene changing it becomes even more limited as some voices are reserved for that functionality.
@@zzzudio Feels a bit too crippled, for such a good board with all the functionality. It's just a bit jarring that a piano and pad can take the polyphony out. Sure, you can reserve voices, but then again, some don't do that (I hardly do that on my old FA).
Oh well.
@@tonylancer7367 Take an ancient Kurzweil PC3 for example and there's no need to reserver voices at all. It's just a clever algorithm to handle voice stealing which is simply not present on the Roland.
Pretty much a let down for the money.
Great vid. What monitor speakers do you recommend ? And why do I have to turn on EQ for each tone before I get some actual sound ?
you have an issue with your settings of some kind
monitor speakers? Adam T7V or Yamaha HS7, I say
I have teamed a Nord Stage Compact with MPC key 37... and a Live 2
Blow me Down Popeye
Revisiting this video:
This is the BEST INVESTMENT I’ve made since getting into the Maschine ecosystem. This is the Best Buy at that price point on earth.
Sounds are amazing
Workflow is intuitive and varied
Actually editing sounds is incredibly friendly and DEEP
Even with Maschine and MPC I’m totally involved in learning MORE on this workstation
9/10
i've been seeing videos on the Fantom 0 polyphony issues.. are you experiiencing it?
@@ronjosolis4413 not really man! I enjoyed using this extensively on my latest project and had not manny issues with polyphony. Now I’m in studio not on stage with it so maybe if you’re playing and layering a ton of sounds you may experience otherwise. Check out my project on my page and listen most of the leads and things were Fantom. Hope this helps! Peace
@@michaeltrenier will do check yours. Im on the verge of getting one!! Thank uuu
@@ronjosolis4413 no problem! 🙌🏾🙌🏾
The architecture of Zencore does have it's limitations. In a sense, the capability of the tech; is held back by the limitations of the board itself. It's not all that different on the older 'full' Fantom but for want of something in English from my side; you can view Darrick Keels commentary on here. If you want a huge range of poly - you're going to have to wait for a more extensive (and expensive) device. That or work more in the box with computers and software - which are vastly more capable and cheaper, when in a home studio setting. Live is a bit different depending.
As Darrick noted on his channel, the FA series didn't suffer from the same issue. More because the engine itself didn't tax it's underlying electronics so heavily. I wouldn't personally recommend the 0 series myself, simply because I am in a position to often need a singular device and I'd push it past the poly wall and find it lacking. I feel as if I'd be repeatedly frustrated, since I like to fully utilize technology. Especially at the price point. When you can use a midi controller and laptop - and not face these issues, it can be mildly irritating a lot of the time.
I preferred the Piano of FA and still retain that. It's worse on the Fantom (O). Compensated for on the bigger brother (Vpiano). So it reminds you a lot of how it doesn't really match up to the more expensive model quite regularly.
As an owner of the more powerful Fantom 7 for more than two years now every buyer should know: the Fantom does things right, but it also does a lot of things mediocre or bad. In some regards it's a very weak machine, don't let the very good interface fool you. If you're in the studio, there's much better options for your money. If you play live, it might be the right machine for you. I'm missing the depth on nearly all reviews to show some of the shortcomings, but that's the way it is today.
Would you mind listing some of the drawbacks? I'm thinking about getting a fantom 0/possibly the big boy fantom but I want to be sure its right before I pull the trigger.
I agree with you on the review style, its great that they showcase all the bells and whistles in the depth that they do but they sweep too much of the shit under the carpet. Its getting really hard to find balanced reviews these days, everything is a sales pitch
Interested in the list too.
An awful board, if speaking honestly. But it depends on what you're comparing it to, the cost and the global situation. It's not like I have anything against Roland, some of my family are fairly prominent in the company. However this is very biased, not that anyone didn't realize it. Most don't find it an improvement over the past due to corners cut and missing resonance features. It's versatile yes but workstation style boards always have been - as well as often being a somewhat crippled compromise because of it. Certainly not for the professional market, which is perhaps putting me out of the intended audience as a stage artist. That said; I'd only go for the flagship because I can't afford (literally) to compromise on the missing features.
I don't have the free time to compile an exhaustive list; but I feel and agree that a unbiased warning for the more discerning musician would be and should be welcome here. It's to the extent, that I wouldn't choose this board for my rig - full stop. I'd use the FA for light/gig purposes.
For me it's entirely performance/live orientated (if considering a light spec unit like this 0 series) if at home - full fledged workstation (if a workstation it must be) or bust. Don't skimp on future proofing (expanding your skill and needs) on a cheap short term investment. Not with workstation-style boards. Because if you're going to do that, you'd be better off with dedicated separate keyboards. Which will have better key beds for purpose.
@@ErraticFaith Rainfeather and I have disagreed in the past and I'll do so here. He really like the Korg Kronos, which is now no longer on sale and s obsolete anyway in many respects. While his criticisms do have some merit, I'll explain why I disagree. 1. DAW integration. If you use Ableton or Logic Pro, than the integration of the Fantom is exceptional and will allow you to avoid touching your computer most of the time. This creates a workflow which enhances your creativity and power and really defines a workstation in 2022. 2. Master controller. The zone and panel layout on the Fantom and the excellent keyboard make it an unmatched MIDI controller for a stage or studio setup that can flexibly control internal and external sources. 3. Platform. Roland has enhanced the Fantom enormously since its introduction with new organ engines, SuperNatural expansions, Model expansions and EX card expansions. This has made it a very flexible platform with an enormous range of sounds, which is likely to see additional enhancements in future.
The Fantom does have some limitations. The Fantom-0, especially, suffers from rather poor acoustic pianos and limited expansion memory for expansions and samples. But, even so, it is still the best choce as a master controller for a studio or stage layout. The Montage/MODX arguably has some better sounds, but lacks a dedicated organ engine, has a more limited panel and a worse sequencing, both internally and in DAW integration. The Kronos suffers from old samples and no DAW integration at all. So the Fantom is still on top, despite some compromises.
If you're mostly a pianist, than the Roland FA (or Yamaha CP88, etc) might be better choices for gigging. But, in general, the Fantom is an excellent choice and worth considering over the competition.
Looking for studio monster, lol. What do you think?
Does it have SEAMLESS SOUND TRANSITIONS???
Yes
No D Beam? Strange design choice.
the memory for expansions and multisamples is quite limited at 256 MB 😖
Is there a in key mode?
scale mode? no
I really liked the deep dive on the drum pads, pffff.
Jack thinks EXACTLY like me..... Right down to his attitude about the shittiness of rompler horns!
13:53 captain lick
The problem with this piano is that it doesn't have V piano sounds and it doesn't have after touch. I was going to buy it but I decided on montage 6 which has better piano sounds than Fantom 0.
and far higher price, the Fantom 6 (not Fantom-06) has aftertouch as well
Not everyone actually likes VP either, which many overlook. You might think it strange because in most commentary you'll see 'must have pha50 must have VP' but often? Those are coming from spec hunters who actually aren't thinking from the perspective of a live professional musician. So in other words; you'll have a lot of comments on our keybeds from players who vastly prefer the PHA4 and even the Ivory-G. They are lighter of course not just in weight but in versatility for the engines onboard. No it might not be a acoustic lifelike action -- but it can be both less fatiguing and more versatile. Im of the opinion that if you truly MUST have a real Piano to that degree -- play with a digital piano specifically tailored to just that. No workstation can match those.
thanks for the comment. I decided to buy the nord piano 5 to play live and the fantom 6 for the studio.
Well, I don't need to say much about Nord. People know the Red reputation as it were. They are a nice choice for Piano. The new stage is especially nice but I know all the choices are difficult for people cost wise to an extent.
The 6 is the more reasonable choice for most, as I don't really believe that the heavy PHA50 lends to the breadth of what FANTOM offers users. It's really just not necessary or pleasant to play with an action like that outside of refined Piano work.
Obviously thats purely my opinion. I'd actually rate PHA4 above it, one of the few elements of the 0 series I find more suited to the nature of a workstation with such a powerful synthesis engine.
I don't dislike the system; I just feel parts of workstations can be a little conflicted in this way.
We need an in depth workflow video for this guy. There isn’t anything out there and it’s so complex.
There are literally dozens of videos.
Andy from Roland? I don't think he's all that complicated, really.
@Andy from Roland. What's your workflow?
It's 'on the fly' on purpose though, and as such, I feel that it has great value. The spontaneity speaks encouragement, IMO.
I feel the product manual is available to us. With a price tag like this, er'body can have months of time before purchase to look through parts of the manuals for their favorite music instruments. You can develop an understanding of the instrument before touching it.
My perception of the FANTOM-0 series is that it is only perceptibly complex, and ROLAND has done an adequate job of developing controls and software that makes the process of programming or performing simple or easy, relative to the hardware controls and features given.
But I suppose er'body's brain is different. Maybe I happen to be a psychology that naturally grips on this well. To me, I feel it seems simple after reading the instrument, and not complex.
I just think... "Rompler. Virtual analog synthsizer. Organ emulator. Layer sounds." I think "Multiple sections of hardware and features. Effects section. 'Scenes' and your basic programs. Different modes like your virtual tonewheel mode. Different features applying to different instruments, like lacking features of the supernatural pianos. Pads, but no velocity or pressure sensitivity."
So that breaks the whole thing down for me, in a quick way. You do that for yourself, maybe, and then you just open the product manual up and ask the questions you like. Use the FIND function in the PDF viewer, like ALT+F. Be like "temperament" or "scale" for if you're wanting to edit the temperament of the piano or keyboard.
You folks are interested in workflow. But it's all there in the manual. You go to a section like "scene overview" or whatever, and you look at what appears on the screen. There's different junk that appears in the GUI, and it covers that. It'll tell you how the controls like rotary encoders and junk change per mode.
I appreciate product manuals.
Name of song at 8:55?
Rock with you by Michael Jackson.
Jack... you need to bring in D Bingerz and Mike Patrick to try out the budget flag ship...I would love to see them judge the tones of the fantom o against the naughtilous and modx @andertons
It's not all about "tones". You can make your own or download patches from there internet. It's about versatility, UI, weight, and price.
@@keneokpareke1753 I know it's not all about the tones alone, but Jack and the team at andertons have already done the indept analysis on versatility and UI. D Bingerz and Mike Patrick judge tones....you need to watch their videos to understand.
@25:50 No aftertouch! Oh nooooooooo
Nah, I go with MPC Key 61👍👍✌️🎹🎹
Can you please next time use a camera to upscale a pic of the display and put it in a corner?
Muchas gracias.
PERO SOY UN MEXICANO Y LES RECUERDO HABLO ESPAÑOL.... gracias.
Someone help me with the polyphony running out
Stop using SuperNatural pianos and VTW organ.
This dude seriously likes Journey. ;D Human Jukebox.
This keyboard or the new Akai MPC KEys
Fantom for performing and MPC for all in one production.
Jack method acting for Wedding Singer 2?
Oh dear, that first Bright Piano doesn't sound too great. Certainly not a patch on the Nord Bright Grand.
They may name them "Supernatural" but it's still tiny samples for todays standards with very limited dynamics.
Shit this video is going to cost me £1,200. Awesome.
I couldn't care less about massive keyboards, I just show up for a five-minute fix of Jack. Bonus: on a Rhodes. Should've been the fifth Beatle.
Brother Bangladesh price
Yes seems toyish… I head right on over to the RD 2000
If you wrote House in the 90’s this keyboard has it all otherwise buy a Korg 😎
definitely better here than hours and hours just spent on an incomprehensible Fantom 08 official manual... Thanks guys
Looks cool, head is spinning from complexity of user interface. Guess that’s why I like my YC88. Want a layer? hit the “on” button, scroll wheel to select sound. done.
Complexity? Have you played one? I think the Fantom/Fantom-0 has the easiest interface to master of all modern workstations.
@@keneokpareke1753 I’m comparing it to a stage piano. That’s the point.
@@alexanderyozzo Not a fair comparison as it can do significantly more than a stage piano, but I see your point.
i get what you're saying, i also like that simplicity of the YC/CP, nord.. but sometimes it can be limiting: need to trigger an FX in a specific chord? impossible. need a 4 zone split? impossible! And the list goes on..
it depends on your needs: for more improvised gigs i love the simplest aproach but when i'm playing in bands with more complex setups an workstation can be so much better!
the guy in the cap is under the influence of some kinda substance 😅
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Whether it’s true or not, all I got from this was how overly complicated this keyboard interface is.
I've had one since they came out. Yes, it can be complicated - but the point is there are several different ways of doing the same thing, for a lot of the functions. You pick whichever one works best for you, and don't bother with the rest. So it might seem complex at first, but once you get your head around it, figure out which one works best for you, then you can ignore the other methods.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Showing how to set it up seems to be mixed with how it actually functions when performing!
All we needed to see is how the keyboard functions for live performance where u hv to switch through songs quick , creating scenes and saving them not all the extra stuff
To me it seemed intuitive, logical, and surprisingly user-friendly. It did not seem that complicated to me, but, ... whatever.
Some say complicated..... Thats what the presets/scenes are for. For others we say.... options and more options, yes please.
It’s sad how Roland dumbed down the sampler which is what really seperated this board from the rest. The sounds are good but not the greatest (that’s Nord). Where Fantom ALWAYS shined was being the ultimate workstation. After the Fantom X ,so many producers stopped buying the Fantom because of this one thing You could live chop the sample straight onto the keys and tempo sync it. Now in 2024 it can’t do what the 1991 board could do. It does less and that’s sad because it’s barely a workstation because you can’t use it alone now, you would have to have an Mpc. It’s now just a 3rd place keyboard/synth behind nord and Montage. Fantom was the number one all around board regardless if the sounds weren’t the best because they were good enough to stand up anywhere in any fight. Please update this board to sample better than the Fantom X. I think Roland should create an Update store where individuals can ipdate their board specifically to how they want it and pay for what they want and go in their own direction. People would pay for their own updates which is where I think the future will go one day.
im in a state of shock could it be roland after over 10 yrs of absolute crappy synths have finally pulled off a decent synth im liking this synth me
This is barely different from FA-06, and Zen-Core melds the JV1080 engine they rehash in everything with the Jupiter-80 Supernatural VA engine into one, with some extra features added in. In FA, the 1080 and J-80 engines are separate. FA gets the better sequencer.
That bright piano at the start sounded pretty poor. This feels half baked for the the money.
4:04 Bad piano sound!😦🤷🏽♂️😐💁🏽♂️
Well, Jack's face pretty much confirmed that for you right? He's sweet but honest where it counts. The face doesn't lie. He's heard a good Piano or two in his time =P
It was the bright preset :(
On the Fantoms (big and small) the SuperNatural Piano sounds don't support string and damper resonance like they did on the FA and RD-2000. So they are substantially inferior. On the big Fantoms, the V-Pianos have it, but on the Fantom-0, you're stuck. I can't recommend these to someone who really cares about the internal piano sounds.
Two guys sitting before sint, turn knobs and all can not play sth. Full Fantom real cool than that. Real Fantom for real performance.
Great sounding keyboards, with a great sound engine. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned, they fail as a serious stage keyboard for someone playing in a rock/pop/country/blues/etc. band for one reason -- they're short one slider, so you can't properly play Hammond organs. Same goes, by the way, for the full Fantom. Damned shame, because they're fine instruments otherwise.
Not sure what you mean. There are Nine sliders (Zones 1-8 and the USB audio slider for 9), so you have all of the sliders that you need. All 9 are automatically enabled when you have an Organ engine sound selected (on Zone 2 only). I haven't checked this on the 0 Series (I have a big Fantom), but I think that it's the same.
Now, on the Montage, you're absolutely correct--there are only 8 sliders, which is stupid. But the Montage doesn't have an organ engine at all, so they can't be used as drawbars anyway, unless you have a third-party expansion.
@@geoffk777 There are 8 physical sliders on the Fantom 0 keyboard. To PROPERLY control a drawbar organ, you need 9.
@@GerenM63 Yep, And there are 9 physical sliders on the Fantom to use for this. The Zone controls 1-8 and the USB Audio level slider just to the right of those, which makes 9.
@@geoffk777 The discussion and video were about the Fantom 0, which has 8.
@@geoffk777 The full Fantom is a killer workstation, though I've got some ... issues ... with Roland's new subscription/rental plan for adding sound packs (or whatever they're calling them). Of course, my generally policy is to purchase something for what it is today, as apposed to what it could be by getting add-ons from the manufacturer -- less disappointment that way. 🙂
The piano sound to me sounded like absolute garbage, and you would expect that on a cheaper keyboard than this.
That will always be an issue with workstation 'style' devices that are cheaply priced. It's why I recommend people buying dedicated devices - unless you can afford a premium full fat workstation to get more out of the single platform style, with less lost.
It's not a hard calculation.
You have a fixed amount of money - [X]
If [X] must be kept low and also split for versatility. Then you're doing [X] / [X] / [X] /[X] with each of those area's being a division of money.
When you have the full fat fantom - [X] is a larger quantity. Making each of the divisions/features a good standard. In this model [Fantom-0] you've ofcourse got much less money to split.
This results in mediocre keybed, memory/expansion/resonance features and more. It's a true cheap edition. Which for me - wouldn't even be usable in a live scenario because it would be far too mismatched with other platforms I use.
The MODX was the first satellite/lite edition I found that was a fair rival [vs slimdown for cost] to its bigger brother. I don't consider the Fantom-0 its rival and thats precisely for the points, including yours.
A 2021/22 device shouldn't be outstaged in Piano by the FA series. But it is, rather comically by the Jupiters as well.
On the Fantoms (big and small) the SuperNatural Piano sounds don't support string and damper resonance like they did on the FA and RD-2000. So they are substantially inferior. On the big Fantoms, the V-Pianos have it, but on the Fantom-0, you're stuck. I can't recommend these to someone who really cares about the internal piano sounds.
@@ErraticFaith Juno-DS can load the free Axial Expansion EXP-04, whose "PremierGrand" preset outstages Fantom-0 and FA Supernatural pianos. 🤣
@@Jason75913 juno-DS is pretty amazing for the money… just battling the snobbery of touchscreen controlled workstations.
0 is zero