We do meet weekly to profess our belief in "train good car bad" so we technically could meet the IRS definition of a church... The patreon could be tax deductible 🤔🤔
A negative rider boarded a bus here once. Bumped into a regular passenger and the resulting explosion destroyed most of the city. Gotta watch out for those guys.
Some ideas for future episodes: Enschede Firework disaster, 2000, the Netherlands North Sea Flood of 1953, the Netherlands El Al Flight 1862, 1992, the Netherlands Volendam New Years Fire, 2001, the Netherlands Fire Rain of Scheveningen, 2019, the Netherlands and, the worst one of them all... The V250 Fyra Train Disaster of 2012-2013, the Netherlands & Belgium You'll notice a theme here: all these topics will let Liam be maximally pissed off. Also, I speak ''the garbage language" so if you need help finding documents that need to be translated, I'm available.
You forgot the disaster that was the AnsaldoBreda V250 Fyra train. I thought the Pinifarina design was beautiful, but it was like an Italian supercar, the engineering was atrocious. Would also be able to help with translations from the garbage language.
@@oinksnork My god, how could I have forgotten the Fyra? That was a catastrophe greater than Enschede. What I did come to understand was that the train was actually alright, it was just built for Italy, not the Netherlands, where corrosion (from water and salt) and not having the word 'snow' in the Italian language. But I'm gonna add that one. I'm sure they want to talk about the Fyra.
@@Azivegu You forget the braking system, designed for 160km/h and used in this 250 km/h application. Furthermore the build quality was downright atrocious, no trainset was the same as any other trainset. Cables held up with ductape and tie wraps. They had like 200 times as much faults than was allowed to drive on the tracks. Of the 19 trains 2 are used as donor trains to keep the other 17 running. I believe AnsaldoBreda (now Hitachi Rail Italy) has gotten their shit together by now, but the Dutch are lucky that none of our trainsets were gifted to muammar gaddafi by Berlusconi (that happened to a Danish trainset)
@@oinksnork Hmmm, it has been a few years. Might have to refresh my memory on the whole debacle. I do remember something with the security system (to tell other trains where it is)) using 3g cell towers, but it would move so fast that the towers couldn't create a connection before the signal was lost, automatically triggering the brakes. It may have been the Fyra, but not 100% sure on that. It has been more than 7 years now and no one wants to talk about it.
Timestamps: 0:00:00 Update 0:01:31 Intro 0:04:12 The Pledge of Allegiance 0:05:15 What is the Philly TRU? 0:09:46 Issues for Public Transit in Covid 0:17:30 SEPTA Covid Response 0:49:58 Effect of Covid on Costs 1:00:24 SETPA Mask Policy 1:06:32 How Other Transit Agencies Responded 1:11:27 SEPTA Response pt2 1:25:33 Conclusion and Call to Action
A story y'all might appreciate: my aunt lives in Wuhan. Transit has started back up over there but in very limited ways -- i.e. they cap the amount of people per vehicle & such. Obvs tho a ton of people still don't trust using transit yet even with those measures in place haha. So my aunt said the other day that, because she had to cross the city that day, she had to do a bus trip with multiple transfers -- and on every bus, literally _no one else_ was on them except for the driver. She said it basically felt like she was being chauffeured by bus that day. 😂
Using the transit system to implement a postal banking system sounds like a really interesting idea that could be great. I am not at all surprised that the implementation has made your contactless system into payday loans. Also holy shit transfer fees is insane. At that point why do they even bother having transfers at all. The least they could do is tell you up front that you'll be paying more than 1 fare.
As someone from Seattle, it's wild to me how bad Philly's transit situation sounds. Seattle has a lot of problems, but we haven't had to pay for fares during this whole thing and there was only a small decrease (it seemed) to how frequent buses are (at least for my routes). We have our own Transit Union and I suspect they are at least partially responsible for how relatively painless it has been.
Up here in Halifax, NS, the following policies are in effect for mass transit: Bus and ferry rides are free for everyone. Boarding is only done via rear doors. The front third of the bus is cordoned off entirely; the only people allowed in the front are drivers, and wheelchair-bound passengers (as they can only board through the front, where the ramp is.) Over half of the seats have Do Not Sit signs on them, to spread passengers out more. This has the effect of buses having a capacity of 9-12 passengers, depending on the bus model. The bus schedule has been reduced; functionally, every day is using the Sunday schedule with half-frequency runs. All routes are running, including the express ones that normally wouldn't be on the Sunday schedule. Masks are optional for passengers, but heavily encouraged. All drivers have masks. The bus is sanitized at the end of every full circuit of its route.
So Alice is punting in a benzene soiled canal with her saucy husband, when the SEPTA of Gallifrey grabs them with a temporal scoop that hasn't been maintained since the LandLords fought and killed off the space vampires (State of Decay, S18, Ep4). I can see the control room now: Alice is flipping end over end on the screen as Scabbie the rat tries to run the controls because the Worshipful Brotherhood of Translocational Adjusters has been out on strike for 40,000 years...
*We're not a big city, but Pittsburgh has a transfer fee. We also have our cash fare at $2.75 (as opposed to electronic at $2.50). If I ran things, I'd just jack the cash fare up to $3. It would pressure more people to go electronic, and at least the people who insisted on paying cash wouldn't hold up the line digging around for 3 quarters. Or need to maintain a constant supply of quarters. Everybody wins.* *Actually, if I really ran things, I'd just do the local government equivalent of nationalizing the transit, and eliminate fares entirely along with all of the costs associated with enforcing them.*
That whole "what they tell the drivers vs. what they tell the public" thing played out here in Portland. They put up signs on the doors saying masks are required and that max capacity is enforced. The same day operators got the memo that much like every other rule, operators don't enforce it they only "inform" because a long time ago the company (which is a municipal corporation of the state since it covers most of the urban growth boundary) "addressed" operator assaults by telling operators not to enforce anything but call for a supervisor, which can be a problem when there's none close by and you have someone yelling in your face. We also have a contactless card but as a result they stopped allowing cash fare. Now, they did give out free cards, but unlike in some places you can't load up at the stop you have to go to a store or use an app(you can also pay with the card on your phone using NFC). For buses they can't do back door boarding because "for safety" they ordered Gillig buses with tiny back doors that only unlatch and must be activated from the back, so no way to distance operators from people coming on board. It doesn't help when the general manager is from the corporate world having worked for Shell(yes, the oil company) and Starbucks Canada. Somehow still not as much of a shitshow as SEPTA, but I imagine it'll only get worse as they lose more of their budget.
That's what most workers are told. Don't intervene. You might get injured, sued, or end up with charges. The employer might be liable for all kinds of stuff. You can literally walk out of most large stores with a bag of groceries and chances are even security won't stop you.
I moved away from Philly just as they were rolling out the SEPTA key. Holy shit, SEPTA has gotten even more drunk since I left. Also, on the note of transfer fees: Valley Metro in Phoenix does technically have transfer fees, but if you purchase a daily/weekly/15-day/monthly pass you don't have to worry about transfer fees b/c the pass is valid for unlimited rides up through (and including) its expiration date.
Here in Jakarta the bus network is completely obliterated except for the 13 main lines and some special shuttles for medical workers, and you get your temperature scanned before entering BRT/Train stations
37:38 actually here in new zealand we sort of do do that .. part of the petrol tax is used to fund roads and if you drive diesel you have to buy road user miles because diesel isn't taxed the same way but then again we pay like 2.10 nzd a lire wish is like idk 5 usd a gallon ?
A problem that I haven’t heard getting much attention during the pandemic is how some of the biggest corporations have been able to continue doing business selling non essential goods and services (Amazon...our employees are heroes that we pay shitty wages and fire when they try to unionize, Walmart...our employees are heroes that are paid so little they live below the poverty line and others that are allowed to have pick up service) while small “Main Street” businesses are told they cannot open. I think the word essential in the term “essential worker” means “sacrificial” and these fat cats won’t stop until all the rest of the 99% are completely drained or dead. (Remember the more bodies that pile up the more excuses Trump has to delay/cancel/obstruct the election which is why he wants the country to rush into reopening.) On the bright side we may be able to get universal basic income soon when the job market dies and these big businesses want UBI as a form of corporate welfare to keep the money coming in. Just an observation...I don’t claim to have the answers on this one but I’m sure it starts with at least a little socialism. (He/him...P.S.S. Montco Chapter)
Was it planned, or is it just a fun coincidence that this episode about Philadelphia failing its citizens came out on the 35th anniversary of the MOVE bombing?
SF Municipal Railway is called that even though they operate buses and stuff as well because the rail part was the first part of it and they just never bothered changing the name.
15:30 But you still need to look at the other aspect... It may be 800K at the typical pre-virus level, but even 8% ridership is still 65,000 people. That still means those 65,000 have a massively higher chance of picking it up due to the sheer number of people in close proximity and touching the same surfaces, 1 sick person has the possibility to cause 10-50 others to catch it. This is why these areas with mass transit that is still open are hamsters crawling all over each other causing quick and severe spread of all kinds of diseases, not just COVID19.
this sounds rough for Philly. I know we are a smaller town but Columbus OH, we have the Central Ohio Transit Authority (COTA) and from the start, COTA went super serious, stopped charging fares, back door boarding and exit, no approaching operator, social distancing and mandatory masks on the busses. I assume they will be coming for some financial report after the pandemic is handled, but for the moment this has been a real public service giving people a safe way to get around for essential work, shopping, medical appointments...in normal times I ride the bus or walk, I don't even own a car. When they come to the voters for some support after what must be a massive period of loss, I won't hesitate to vote for it.
For me, from Lansdale area to Center City is... 18 dollars round trip on RR, or 20$ to park at the Marriott. Hmm... If I bring one person with me we're already half the price of SEPTA. Hmm...
Depends on your definition of a big city, but the St. Louis Metro has transfer fees as well; a twobux base fare or twobux fifty for the light rail, and then threebux for a transfer that’s valid for two hours.
Going to invest on Patreon more than our Gov't does for SEPTA. Also I'm helping with a Renters "Union" outside of Philly and would love to partner with you all. Also just about done listening to all the episodes you have on UA-cam! Maybe I can get Liam to take Septa to KOP to punch me in the face.
i had the exact same commute taking the el to 69th, then the NHSL, then the 125 bus to work and i wanted to jump in the schuylkill and never come out again. god is this city's transit broken
Wait, you didn't have free transfers?! WTF?! I don't know of a bus system in Iowa (not that there's very many here) that *doesn't* offer free transfers! And we definitely don't have anywhere near as many riders as you do in Philly! If we had that kind of ridership, damn! We'd have public transportation across the entire state for dirt cheap! Well, it is cheap in my town (they actually reduced the fare to $1 two years ago), but that's because Iowa State University pays for at least half of the running costs, plus paying for every student's fare (which is why they count how many students ride each bus - they charge the school later). As that came out of my tuition, I feel absolutely no regret for continuing to use my student ID despite not having taken any classes in 2 years. She/her Edit: Wow, the more I hear about your bus service, the more I'm amazed at how ridiculous it is. The hatches are regularly opened on nice days (just like the windows) on our buses. I also rode the bus in Des Moines where it's a private/public partnership with the city. It was the same thing there (the fare was about $1.75 about 5 years ago, it's probably gone up since then). How do ppl even function with such an unreliable bus system?! I feel like y'all need more Karens riding the buses. I swear, if the bus is even a few minutes late, there's *at least* one Karen on the phone demanding to speak to a manager at CyRide - and I don't mean a student, I'm talking about year-round residents.
Hell yeah, MARTA Army! Incidentally, MARTA's history could be an episode of Well There's Your Problem because racism directly hindered it from its inception.
I'll be going back to work soon so I'll need to start taking transit again cause Car Bad & I'm Broke and I wish I didn't have to be nervous about commuting to work :/ At least I can take the trolley line in my city. Trolley Good.
@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 Lol, the wait is killing me. Every day, I get up and check UA-cam to see if it updated (seriously, I love all your stuff and if I wasn't struggling to have a positive amount of money, I would totally back you all. Please don't take this as a shitty commenter demanding content, just looking for my next fix during quarantine).
Wow, that SEPTA approach sounds comically bad, to the point of willfully malicious. I mean, just about the first thing that was done when the Vancouver (BC) area went to tap cards (which, granted, had its share of implementation failures) was to make backdoor boarding a matter of course. Not to mention that things like monthly passes were moved to the tap cards without issue, so you don't need to worry about paying 6 fares per trip, though even before the tap cards the fares were valid for transfer between bus, metro, and seabus for 90 minutes after being issued. Never lose heart, much better systems already exist, and yours can be at least that good too (and probably better).
My new favorite channel. Any chance of an episode on the Alexander L. Kielland rig disaster? Much buck-passing. Multiple stages of failure. Lots of people drowning in the North sea. Should be fun?
Not gonna lie, over half an hour on one slide, with no Alice kinda hurt. I couldn't have been the only one shouting "NEXT SLIDE PLEASE" at my screen right?
If you want a good topic, the 1986 ship wreck of the Mikhail Lermontov in NZ. It is a total shitstorm of incompetence. First try and imagine the concept of a soviet cruise ship. It goes downhill from there. They bring on a local New Zealand pilot to navigate the local hazards. He decides he wants to give the passengers a spot where several ships have wrecked. He then decides to take a short cut between a lighthouse and the shore. The obvious happens and they run aground and cut holes in the bottom of the ship. Then the local pilot instructs the crew to sail back onto the reef they crashed into. Fortunately the captain returns to intervene. At some point a crew transmits a mayday. Following this some mysterious person retracts the mayday. Interestingly enough since the ship sunk in NZ waters, with a NZ pilot, the NZ govt says a full investigation isn't required. Documentary can be found here. ua-cam.com/video/zTJgNjYBUoo/v-deo.html
Bit late to the party but my suburban town/small metro area implemented free fares on our exceptionally shitty bus service during Covid and kept it, including cross county, so that was nice.
I don't want to say anything offensive, but I'd like to be screamed at by Liam. Bit like that bit in Skyrim where you have to have the sages up on the mountain try and shout you to bits with there Thu'um or something...anyway, if you get a sec... cheers from Australia, loving this series. :)
It’s not corruption if it’s inherent to the system. It’s all about creating value. condos, cafes, and rail trails create value. Working people are just leverage.
Why was Septa force to have a debt card program on the key card? I get Philadelphia has unbanked citizens but this is not the way to fix it. Septa is good a mobility and working on doing TOD around the stations and bus stops
@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 So Detroit is no longer considered a major city or are you ranking by total population living in poverty vs percent of population living in poverty?
Are fares still being collected on the bus? Here in the DC area there is no fare collection on virtually all buses as most boardings are from the rear.
I don't understand how most of the world still uses mostly fixed fares. Where I live, you pay per kilometer, plus a small boarding fee (which you don't have to pay while transferring). When traveling in different countries, it always surprises me how a single stop costs as much as traveling through the whole city. Paying per zone is even worse, as your one stop can cross a zone border and it's all of a sudden twice as expensive as eight stops within that zone. You can still have zones where the kilometer price is higher, if you want, that way you still encourage avoiding those zones when possible while having a sensible and consistent payment system. /rant
Fare-by-distance penalizes long trip. And guess who usually lives far away from work and uses public transits the most? That's right, poor people. So if you discourage public transit usage, enjoy your gridlock.
@@BicyclesMayUseFullLane Fair* point, hadn't considered it. Which is funny, as I regularly make long trips Though, to be fair,* cars also penalize long trips. * Pun not intended, but it exists anyway.
~59:00 When they were talking about churches I assumed they were talking about Church's Chicken and thinking wait how is Church's Chicken a non-profit?
The idea of paying to transfer buses is ludicrous. What's the point of a transfer system if you still have to pay for the second bus? Also how do you justify a (I assume monthly) pass with a limited number of rides on it???
Regulators to open bus vent hoods I’m turning myself in and will help capture the other riders I seen over the years open that vent without getting permission
Question, as a Philly transit user, how much would you trust SEPTA when they said they would restore trolley service on certain lines like Rt 15 and Rt 23
@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 Honest answer, I like it lol I tried looking into it and I am surprised how intransparent SEPTA is compared to LA's Metro which seems to share nearly everything
I'm looking forward to the next episode on Sanford Dam collapse in Michigan that occured... ...right fucking now. Stay safe Michiganders. And don't drink the water flooding of Dow Chemicals. Or touch it. Or be anywhere within fifty feet of it.
Spend a few bucks and buy a car, public trans is for metrosexuals, vegans, soybois, and other lesser beings
Cindy Tepper this better get pinned
I grew up in Lower Bucks. Everybody had a car at 16. We even drove to school. Even the poor kids had some kind of used car.
sorry that your ego is so fragile that the idea of efficiency makes you afraid you’ll catch the gay
Thanks for your endorsement. Everyone should want to join the ranks of Cindy Tepper's Lesser Beings.
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We do meet weekly to profess our belief in "train good car bad" so we technically could meet the IRS definition of a church... The patreon could be tax deductible 🤔🤔
YHWH = SEPTA... or MTS, or RTA...
Church of the later day trains?
I'll keep working on this... 🤔
"If SEPTA wants a circus, we'll bring the clowns"
Is this the next step of slapstick unionism?
Unexpectedly Badass.
Your comment is at 69 likes now. Nice.
I miss Alice. A WTYP without Alice is like a Soviet satellite state without tanks.
No such state existed. Even Democratic Kampuchea had armored vehicles.
Does that make Alice the anti-Hoxha?
@@MrJohndoakes Sure they existed. For like two months before their governments fell, but that's technically meeting the criteria!
I love that comment so much.
A negative rider boarded a bus here once. Bumped into a regular passenger and the resulting explosion destroyed most of the city. Gotta watch out for those guys.
Are you positive?
-everyone pls stand for the national anthem
**the East is red plays three times**
Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance
*Alice recites the Shahada*
*extremely clipped Soviet Anthem intensifies*
The last time I was this early was for the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster episode
oh I must have missed that one. Was it patrons only?
@@justinokraski3796 i hope you know hes joking, there never was a tacoma narrows episode.
@@justinokraski3796 if only...
@@justinokraski3796 it's a running gag, if you haven't been around ... 😊
@Joe Average That'd make me early to it I guess. Idk I was just trying to think of a way to brag about my punctuality let me have this
Some ideas for future episodes:
Enschede Firework disaster, 2000, the Netherlands
North Sea Flood of 1953, the Netherlands
El Al Flight 1862, 1992, the Netherlands
Volendam New Years Fire, 2001, the Netherlands
Fire Rain of Scheveningen, 2019, the Netherlands
and, the worst one of them all...
The V250 Fyra Train Disaster of 2012-2013, the Netherlands & Belgium
You'll notice a theme here: all these topics will let Liam be maximally pissed off.
Also, I speak ''the garbage language" so if you need help finding documents that need to be translated, I'm available.
oh El Al is a really good one
You forgot the disaster that was the AnsaldoBreda V250 Fyra train. I thought the Pinifarina design was beautiful, but it was like an Italian supercar, the engineering was atrocious.
Would also be able to help with translations from the garbage language.
@@oinksnork My god, how could I have forgotten the Fyra? That was a catastrophe greater than Enschede.
What I did come to understand was that the train was actually alright, it was just built for Italy, not the Netherlands, where corrosion (from water and salt) and not having the word 'snow' in the Italian language.
But I'm gonna add that one. I'm sure they want to talk about the Fyra.
@@Azivegu You forget the braking system, designed for 160km/h and used in this 250 km/h application. Furthermore the build quality was downright atrocious, no trainset was the same as any other trainset. Cables held up with ductape and tie wraps. They had like 200 times as much faults than was allowed to drive on the tracks. Of the 19 trains 2 are used as donor trains to keep the other 17 running.
I believe AnsaldoBreda (now Hitachi Rail Italy) has gotten their shit together by now, but the Dutch are lucky that none of our trainsets were gifted to muammar gaddafi by Berlusconi (that happened to a Danish trainset)
@@oinksnork Hmmm, it has been a few years. Might have to refresh my memory on the whole debacle. I do remember something with the security system (to tell other trains where it is)) using 3g cell towers, but it would move so fast that the towers couldn't create a connection before the signal was lost, automatically triggering the brakes.
It may have been the Fyra, but not 100% sure on that. It has been more than 7 years now and no one wants to talk about it.
Timestamps:
0:00:00 Update
0:01:31 Intro
0:04:12 The Pledge of Allegiance
0:05:15 What is the Philly TRU?
0:09:46 Issues for Public Transit in Covid
0:17:30 SEPTA Covid Response
0:49:58 Effect of Covid on Costs
1:00:24 SETPA Mask Policy
1:06:32 How Other Transit Agencies Responded
1:11:27 SEPTA Response pt2
1:25:33 Conclusion and Call to Action
"Enter without a mask on, and/or enter only with a mask on..."
*enters store naked except for a mask*
A story y'all might appreciate: my aunt lives in Wuhan. Transit has started back up over there but in very limited ways -- i.e. they cap the amount of people per vehicle & such. Obvs tho a ton of people still don't trust using transit yet even with those measures in place haha. So my aunt said the other day that, because she had to cross the city that day, she had to do a bus trip with multiple transfers -- and on every bus, literally _no one else_ was on them except for the driver. She said it basically felt like she was being chauffeured by bus that day. 😂
Finally, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse! I was waiting for this episode all week.
**week**
RTD (Denver area transit) is free right now for the drivers safety, it’s been a wonderful silver lining for having to still work during this thing
Same in Milwaukee
Using the transit system to implement a postal banking system sounds like a really interesting idea that could be great. I am not at all surprised that the implementation has made your contactless system into payday loans.
Also holy shit transfer fees is insane. At that point why do they even bother having transfers at all. The least they could do is tell you up front that you'll be paying more than 1 fare.
As someone from Seattle, it's wild to me how bad Philly's transit situation sounds. Seattle has a lot of problems, but we haven't had to pay for fares during this whole thing and there was only a small decrease (it seemed) to how frequent buses are (at least for my routes). We have our own Transit Union and I suspect they are at least partially responsible for how relatively painless it has been.
Up here in Halifax, NS, the following policies are in effect for mass transit:
Bus and ferry rides are free for everyone.
Boarding is only done via rear doors.
The front third of the bus is cordoned off entirely; the only people allowed in the front are drivers, and wheelchair-bound passengers (as they can only board through the front, where the ramp is.)
Over half of the seats have Do Not Sit signs on them, to spread passengers out more. This has the effect of buses having a capacity of 9-12 passengers, depending on the bus model.
The bus schedule has been reduced; functionally, every day is using the Sunday schedule with half-frequency runs.
All routes are running, including the express ones that normally wouldn't be on the Sunday schedule.
Masks are optional for passengers, but heavily encouraged. All drivers have masks.
The bus is sanitized at the end of every full circuit of its route.
canada is only slightly less bad than America but this is great
Every little bit counts.
So Alice is punting in a benzene soiled canal with her saucy husband, when the SEPTA of Gallifrey grabs them with a temporal scoop that hasn't been maintained since the LandLords fought and killed off the space vampires (State of Decay, S18, Ep4). I can see the control room now: Alice is flipping end over end on the screen as Scabbie the rat tries to run the controls because the Worshipful Brotherhood of Translocational Adjusters has been out on strike for 40,000 years...
*We're not a big city, but Pittsburgh has a transfer fee. We also have our cash fare at $2.75 (as opposed to electronic at $2.50). If I ran things, I'd just jack the cash fare up to $3. It would pressure more people to go electronic, and at least the people who insisted on paying cash wouldn't hold up the line digging around for 3 quarters. Or need to maintain a constant supply of quarters. Everybody wins.*
*Actually, if I really ran things, I'd just do the local government equivalent of nationalizing the transit, and eliminate fares entirely along with all of the costs associated with enforcing them.*
This series is like equal amounts of genius and shitpost.
I like the speaker who deadnames trans people and tells them to kill themselves.
usually shitposting is a genius thing, so you're kind of saying it's all parts genius
@@CotSwossel what?
Cot Swossel must not be a regular. Who is that?
@@creampop8553 Alice, you braindead git.
While this problem doesn't affect me in any way, I'm still here for Justins smooth dulcet voice
He sounds like Oswalt Patton.
That whole "what they tell the drivers vs. what they tell the public" thing played out here in Portland. They put up signs on the doors saying masks are required and that max capacity is enforced. The same day operators got the memo that much like every other rule, operators don't enforce it they only "inform" because a long time ago the company (which is a municipal corporation of the state since it covers most of the urban growth boundary) "addressed" operator assaults by telling operators not to enforce anything but call for a supervisor, which can be a problem when there's none close by and you have someone yelling in your face. We also have a contactless card but as a result they stopped allowing cash fare. Now, they did give out free cards, but unlike in some places you can't load up at the stop you have to go to a store or use an app(you can also pay with the card on your phone using NFC). For buses they can't do back door boarding because "for safety" they ordered Gillig buses with tiny back doors that only unlatch and must be activated from the back, so no way to distance operators from people coming on board. It doesn't help when the general manager is from the corporate world having worked for Shell(yes, the oil company) and Starbucks Canada. Somehow still not as much of a shitshow as SEPTA, but I imagine it'll only get worse as they lose more of their budget.
That's what most workers are told. Don't intervene. You might get injured, sued, or end up with charges. The employer might be liable for all kinds of stuff. You can literally walk out of most large stores with a bag of groceries and chances are even security won't stop you.
I moved away from Philly just as they were rolling out the SEPTA key.
Holy shit, SEPTA has gotten even more drunk since I left.
Also, on the note of transfer fees: Valley Metro in Phoenix does technically have transfer fees, but if you purchase a daily/weekly/15-day/monthly pass you don't have to worry about transfer fees b/c the pass is valid for unlimited rides up through (and including) its expiration date.
Here in Jakarta the bus network is completely obliterated except for the 13 main lines and some special shuttles for medical workers, and you get your temperature scanned before entering BRT/Train stations
are we to be blessed with TWO podcasts this week? please yes
Really sad Alice wasn't here to make all of the butt jokes about entering from the rear, but still good.
We all joke but i SWEAR there was a tacoma narrows bridge episode once that was deleted ten minutes into me watching it. Am i crazy?
They recorded it but, 24 hours after recording, the bridge came back to life.
If youre being serious, you're thinking of the Silver Bridge episode which is 'untitled' and on the donoteat channel
Both bridges were destroyed by Mothman
Mothman ruined my life
As a german, the amount of bus lines for such a big city is hilariously tiny. :(
37:38 actually here in new zealand we sort of do do that .. part of the petrol tax is used to fund roads and if you drive diesel you have to buy road user miles because diesel isn't taxed the same way but then again we pay like 2.10 nzd a lire wish is like idk 5 usd a gallon ?
A problem that I haven’t heard getting much attention during the pandemic is how some of the biggest corporations have been able to continue doing business selling non essential goods and services (Amazon...our employees are heroes that we pay shitty wages and fire when they try to unionize, Walmart...our employees are heroes that are paid so little they live below the poverty line and others that are allowed to have pick up service) while small “Main Street” businesses are told they cannot open. I think the word essential in the term “essential worker” means “sacrificial” and these fat cats won’t stop until all the rest of the 99% are completely drained or dead. (Remember the more bodies that pile up the more excuses Trump has to delay/cancel/obstruct the election which is why he wants the country to rush into reopening.) On the bright side we may be able to get universal basic income soon when the job market dies and these big businesses want UBI as a form of corporate welfare to keep the money coming in. Just an observation...I don’t claim to have the answers on this one but I’m sure it starts with at least a little socialism.
(He/him...P.S.S. Montco Chapter)
Free Parking this is a massive glaring inequality
Look at Chicago's Ventra tap card. They got out of using Mastercard and went to a non-bank card.
WMATA/MTA Maryland's system kept out of that mess.
Was it planned, or is it just a fun coincidence that this episode about Philadelphia failing its citizens came out on the 35th anniversary of the MOVE bombing?
I hope one day we get that episode
Russiagate & Obamagate: I sleep.
Transit in the Age of Coronavirus: _REAL SHIT_
SF Municipal Railway is called that even though they operate buses and stuff as well because the rail part was the first part of it and they just never bothered changing the name.
Looking forward to the Narrow Bridge to a Coma episode(s).
1:25:13 "Everyone's bought all their negative priced oil and stored it in their basement."
They had no idea what was coming in 2021
toothpaste is a spice
I mean... Toothpaste sometimes contains spice... But I wouldn't recommend using it AS a spice...
Lol
why am I watching one and half hours worth of content about Philadelphia mass transit system when I don't even know where Philadelphia is.
It's in America.
Philadelphia is in Sweden, a couple miles north of Cape Town.
Here I am just wondering where bhopal part 2 is, but I'll probably hear it.
Probably next 5-7 days
15:30 But you still need to look at the other aspect... It may be 800K at the typical pre-virus level, but even 8% ridership is still 65,000 people. That still means those 65,000 have a massively higher chance of picking it up due to the sheer number of people in close proximity and touching the same surfaces, 1 sick person has the possibility to cause 10-50 others to catch it. This is why these areas with mass transit that is still open are hamsters crawling all over each other causing quick and severe spread of all kinds of diseases, not just COVID19.
this sounds rough for Philly. I know we are a smaller town but Columbus OH, we have the Central Ohio Transit Authority (COTA) and from the start, COTA went super serious, stopped charging fares, back door boarding and exit, no approaching operator, social distancing and mandatory masks on the busses. I assume they will be coming for some financial report after the pandemic is handled, but for the moment this has been a real public service giving people a safe way to get around for essential work, shopping, medical appointments...in normal times I ride the bus or walk, I don't even own a car. When they come to the voters for some support after what must be a massive period of loss, I won't hesitate to vote for it.
would be interested in an update to this situation since this was back in May.
15:25 data analysis is my passion
For me, from Lansdale area to Center City is... 18 dollars round trip on RR, or 20$ to park at the Marriott. Hmm... If I bring one person with me we're already half the price of SEPTA. Hmm...
Depends on your definition of a big city, but the St. Louis Metro has transfer fees as well; a twobux base fare or twobux fifty for the light rail, and then threebux for a transfer that’s valid for two hours.
Can we get a download link for that pledge of allegiance?
I really need it for reasons.
Going to invest on Patreon more than our Gov't does for SEPTA. Also I'm helping with a Renters "Union" outside of Philly and would love to partner with you all. Also just about done listening to all the episodes you have on UA-cam! Maybe I can get Liam to take Septa to KOP to punch me in the face.
Unionization is really heartening to see.
i had the exact same commute taking the el to 69th, then the NHSL, then the 125 bus to work and i wanted to jump in the schuylkill and never come out again. god is this city's transit broken
Up the TRU!
Wait, you didn't have free transfers?! WTF?! I don't know of a bus system in Iowa (not that there's very many here) that *doesn't* offer free transfers! And we definitely don't have anywhere near as many riders as you do in Philly! If we had that kind of ridership, damn! We'd have public transportation across the entire state for dirt cheap! Well, it is cheap in my town (they actually reduced the fare to $1 two years ago), but that's because Iowa State University pays for at least half of the running costs, plus paying for every student's fare (which is why they count how many students ride each bus - they charge the school later). As that came out of my tuition, I feel absolutely no regret for continuing to use my student ID despite not having taken any classes in 2 years.
She/her
Edit: Wow, the more I hear about your bus service, the more I'm amazed at how ridiculous it is. The hatches are regularly opened on nice days (just like the windows) on our buses. I also rode the bus in Des Moines where it's a private/public partnership with the city. It was the same thing there (the fare was about $1.75 about 5 years ago, it's probably gone up since then). How do ppl even function with such an unreliable bus system?! I feel like y'all need more Karens riding the buses. I swear, if the bus is even a few minutes late, there's *at least* one Karen on the phone demanding to speak to a manager at CyRide - and I don't mean a student, I'm talking about year-round residents.
Hell yeah, MARTA Army!
Incidentally, MARTA's history could be an episode of Well There's Your Problem because racism directly hindered it from its inception.
Even Liam's siren sound at the start is super Pennsylvanian ("WAWAWAWAWAWA")
"Hey guys this podcast is already out of date, but here watch it. Also support local transit."
Am not down playing any thing, but this is the first thing I heard.
Yes, you can understand the English language.
That's why Problems are best served cold.
I'll be going back to work soon so I'll need to start taking transit again cause Car Bad & I'm Broke and I wish I didn't have to be nervous about commuting to work :/ At least I can take the trolley line in my city. Trolley Good.
As a lesser vegan metrosexual soyboi, I found this episode very useful
Bhopal part 2 when?
Next week I think
@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 Lol, the wait is killing me. Every day, I get up and check UA-cam to see if it updated (seriously, I love all your stuff and if I wasn't struggling to have a positive amount of money, I would totally back you all. Please don't take this as a shitty commenter demanding content, just looking for my next fix during quarantine).
Denver does in the most hilarious way possible it is from service to service (ie light rail to bus, commuter rail, brt or, long distance bus)
Three views and five likes
Capitalism has nothing on it
The DNC could learn a thing or two from this rigged election
Wow, that SEPTA approach sounds comically bad, to the point of willfully malicious. I mean, just about the first thing that was done when the Vancouver (BC) area went to tap cards (which, granted, had its share of implementation failures) was to make backdoor boarding a matter of course. Not to mention that things like monthly passes were moved to the tap cards without issue, so you don't need to worry about paying 6 fares per trip, though even before the tap cards the fares were valid for transfer between bus, metro, and seabus for 90 minutes after being issued.
Never lose heart, much better systems already exist, and yours can be at least that good too (and probably better).
can't believe a podcast with slides needs to render. There's like 7 frames
Because video has frames per second, which need to be encoded by a video codec.
My new favorite channel. Any chance of an episode on the Alexander L. Kielland rig disaster? Much buck-passing. Multiple stages of failure. Lots of people drowning in the North sea. Should be fun?
🙌 upload that septa pledge of allegiance post haste
Not gonna lie, over half an hour on one slide, with no Alice kinda hurt. I couldn't have been the only one shouting "NEXT SLIDE PLEASE" at my screen right?
If you want a good topic, the 1986 ship wreck of the Mikhail Lermontov in NZ. It is a total shitstorm of incompetence. First try and imagine the concept of a soviet cruise ship. It goes downhill from there.
They bring on a local New Zealand pilot to navigate the local hazards. He decides he wants to give the passengers a spot where several ships have wrecked. He then decides to take a short cut between a lighthouse and the shore. The obvious happens and they run aground and cut holes in the bottom of the ship. Then the local pilot instructs the crew to sail back onto the reef they crashed into. Fortunately the captain returns to intervene.
At some point a crew transmits a mayday. Following this some mysterious person retracts the mayday.
Interestingly enough since the ship sunk in NZ waters, with a NZ pilot, the NZ govt says a full investigation isn't required.
Documentary can be found here. ua-cam.com/video/zTJgNjYBUoo/v-deo.html
direct aid to citizens = socialism
48:15 a meaningful *jobs* program = somehow also socialism
RTD (Denver) really is making a run at septa for being as bad if not worse we even have the Silverliners with self disassembling trucks
I haven't heard about the failing SLV failing in Denver. They should be way lighter than Septa's SLV.
Bit late to the party but my suburban town/small metro area implemented free fares on our exceptionally shitty bus service during Covid and kept it, including cross county, so that was nice.
Liam blew out my HiFi speakers with this podcast.
Excuse me, Mayor NUTTER? That's from a Dril tweet, you can't convince me otherwise
Michael Nutter was a real former Philadelphia mayor!
Don't worry Justin, I enjoyed your Stinks meme even if you got dense silence from June and Liam :p
You won before you got to the battlefield. Woot!
Well there’s your transit
You guys should buy ad space on the side of the bus/trains. PTRU🤘
I wish the MTA metrocards did contactless, and were still $2 a ride
I don't want to say anything offensive, but I'd like to be screamed at by Liam. Bit like that bit in Skyrim where you have to have the sages up on the mountain try and shout you to bits with there Thu'um or something...anyway, if you get a sec... cheers from Australia, loving this series. :)
Fair restructuring? That sounds good to me
1:16:05 Liam: "I used to take the El to 69th"
Nice.
why doesn't church's chicken have to file for income tax? I'm so confused
Public transportation, what is this thing of which you speak, asks a Detroiter.
It’s not corruption if it’s inherent to the system. It’s all about creating value. condos, cafes, and rail trails create value. Working people are just leverage.
Why was Septa force to have a debt card program on the key card? I get Philadelphia has unbanked citizens but this is not the way to fix it. Septa is good a mobility and working on doing TOD around the stations and bus stops
in washington we have fees for transfer between bus and rail but not between buses
MCTS is making all busses free and keeping light rail free
Neat to learn more about public transit unions, but I can't wait for the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster!
“Poorest major city in the [US]”. You have that in common with Winnipeg, probably why you use our buses haha
One great city!
@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 So Detroit is no longer considered a major city or are you ranking by total population living in poverty vs percent of population living in poverty?
Are fares still being collected on the bus? Here in the DC area there is no fare collection on virtually all buses as most boardings are from the rear.
I don't understand how most of the world still uses mostly fixed fares. Where I live, you pay per kilometer, plus a small boarding fee (which you don't have to pay while transferring). When traveling in different countries, it always surprises me how a single stop costs as much as traveling through the whole city. Paying per zone is even worse, as your one stop can cross a zone border and it's all of a sudden twice as expensive as eight stops within that zone. You can still have zones where the kilometer price is higher, if you want, that way you still encourage avoiding those zones when possible while having a sensible and consistent payment system. /rant
Fare-by-distance penalizes long trip. And guess who usually lives far away from work and uses public transits the most? That's right, poor people.
So if you discourage public transit usage, enjoy your gridlock.
@@BicyclesMayUseFullLane Fair* point, hadn't considered it. Which is funny, as I regularly make long trips
Though, to be fair,* cars also penalize long trips.
* Pun not intended, but it exists anyway.
Where I live public transport was free because of the pandemic
7:00 I see Justin has been listening to the CushVlog recently.
Please do an episode on the NEC high speed rail project and how it’s falling apart because nj transit wants to build condos
Re: payment stuff, my DC metro card seems completely fine and easy to use, maybe y'all can implement something like that without much fuckery?
~59:00 When they were talking about churches I assumed they were talking about Church's Chicken and thinking wait how is Church's Chicken a non-profit?
random but i love how many idioms june manages to use over the course of this episode
22:06 well that depends on how you're doing the transfers but its indefinably a manageable issue
The idea of paying to transfer buses is ludicrous. What's the point of a transfer system if you still have to pay for the second bus? Also how do you justify a (I assume monthly) pass with a limited number of rides on it???
Regulators to open bus vent hoods I’m turning myself in and will help capture the other riders I seen over the years open that vent without getting permission
0:45 _THEY DIDN'T HAVE FREE TRANSFERS?!?!_
Question, as a Philly transit user, how much would you trust SEPTA when they said they would restore trolley service on certain lines like Rt 15 and Rt 23
Lol.
@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 Honest answer, I like it lol I tried looking into it and I am surprised how intransparent SEPTA is compared to LA's Metro which seems to share nearly everything
They should really do the Piper Alpha rig explosion at some point
I'm looking forward to the next episode on Sanford Dam collapse in Michigan that occured...
...right fucking now. Stay safe Michiganders. And don't drink the water flooding of Dow Chemicals. Or touch it. Or be anywhere within fifty feet of it.