Це відео не доступне.
Перепрошуємо.
We BROKE our S35VN ESEE 3!
Вставка
- Опубліковано 1 лют 2020
- We BROKE our S35VN ESEE 3...and you might too if you don't understand the usage characteristics and differences in our 1095 steel. Our S35VN knives are heat treated to a 60HRC in an effort to maintain great edge retention. That edge retention does come with a tradeoff when it pertains to hard use durability. Listen to Shane and Patrick discuss their finding and feel free to ask questions below.
Message from the owners of ESEE Knives:
While we offer the exact same warranty on S35V as the rest of our line, we do not suggest the ESEE-3 S35V as a hard-use outdoor knife. These knives are hardened at the optimal 59-60 Rc. Its ability to take abuse is not even close to our ESEE-3 1095 models. The only reason we produced this model is due to the request of our customer base - not because it’s something the ESEE crew would carry or trust their life to. In our opinion, what you gain with such a premium steel in edge-holding and stain resistance does not justify the extra cost. Not to mention its inability to take the abuse that our regular knives are capable of.
Comments are open! Feel free to comment and ask questions below!
i love 1095 it is still more elastic than premium steel though premium ones hold longer edge (and are much more resistant to corrosion yet they still do once neglected ) but not by a lot especially considering the time factor to sharpen premium steel after heavy use (O the problems if a chip occurred and do not have premium ceramic stones ) . after owning both I will take 1095 and Tool steels over premium steels they are cheaper and do the same job with less fear of using them also after all to wipe them and oiling them is part of the fun
Premium steels are for a different purpose than for field and heavy use they are good for folding and small knives the only thing i wish is for small everyday use 1095 not to coat them with something not good to use for food finally the slicing of 1095 is smoother unless i am full of it
my S90V and my 420mV which are the same are custom made and i still prefer the 1095 and RWl34 customs from diving sparrow knives
very highly informative video full of truth lacking of bull crap just to make a sale . Everyone should be pleased for your Truthful information because you are trustworthy , all the best to you folks and i wish you all your hearts desire , take care .
i hope the Xancudo comes with either the plastic or kydex sheet cause i want two
how come no lanyard hole for the other Xancudo please ?
Another example of the integrity of all the folks at ESEE and Randall Adventure Training
We appreciate it....just trying to be transparent...
I agree, great guys at ESEE
REALLY appreciate the honesty!
Exactly. Open and honest and no shady stuff with these guys. They stand behind the product. I have never had to use the warranty service but its sure nice to know it is there.
U guys run one dam good company. Honest, open, and transparent. What a thing that is in today's world. Much respect.
thank you...the only way we know to be....doesn't always make us popular but we are ok with that...we do appreciate those that "get us"
Just makes me want to buy more stuff from ESEE!
This is why I buy ESEE they tell you this product might fail. Not lie and say best thing since slices bread.
We appreciate it!!
sliced
du bist ein fester idiot! 1095 stahl mit einer 60 RW härte is einfach zu hart, sprich er wird spröde. esee is scheisse! die lösung ist eine dickere klinge und etwas weniger RW härte - fertig. die dickere klinge braucht mehr zeit in der herstellung und ist somit teurer - sprich esee ist scheisse!
Your 1095 is the best. I like that you are being responsive to your customers and keeping the best warranty in the business. I personally like steels like S35 for folders but your 1095 is hard to beat in a fixed blade. That is my preference. Love the new line of handles.
I find it very comforting that this is the standard for testing these knives. We all need gear that'll be there when we finish the activity that we needed the knife for in the first place. This is why I like ESEE.
we appreciate it!
I'm just going to throw my "you should try 3V" comment into the ring with everyone else.
S35VN is excellent but 3V has proven to be a bomb-proof fan favourite for outdoor knives that you really want to beat on.
I'm really hoping you guys can offer this steel in the future.
We hear you on 3V...but we wanted to start with a Stainless option...But we are listening.
@@RandallsAdventureESEE Excellent. I look forward to getting my 3 in S35VN and think it's a great choice for a stainless option. Just felt I should add to the 3V hype-train.
@@RandallsAdventureESEE If you made an Esee 6 in 3V, I could sell all of my other knives and be happy with that one forever. Perfect design married with the perfect steel.
@@philremington1741 we are hearing a lot of suggestion for 3V...
@@RandallsAdventureESEE I second the 3V motion.
I just love that a company makes a video about breaking their own product under stress as its realistic.
You guys need to get your hands on CPM Magnacut. It is a new steel with the strength of 4v/M4 with the edge retention greater than S35vn and corrosion resistance greater than M390. You can run it up to 62-63 HRC without losing strength.
@@LubberKing the creator of Magnacut has shown in tests that it can be ran up to 64 HRC without losing much strength. Obviously the higher you go the more brittle it becomes but it is plenty strong at 62-64. 63 is the ideal balance. At that point it is about twice the strength of S30V.
Yep, they really need to jump on the Magnacut train - I'd buy in a heartbeat
It's also supposed to be decently easy to sharpen. I'd buy that shit so fast if ESEE made a model.
I live on Vancouver Island and I regularly choose my 12c27 or n690co knives over my 1095/52100/1075 knives due to rust when I'm out filming and exploring. I think this is a great move and ppl like me who are only interested in stainless knives now can think about getting an ESEE again. Take care best of luck ✌️
BC Bushcraft & Survival same to you. We appreciate the feedback.
No problem, ppl also don't realize the extra shop gear and thought power needed to start producing a higher end stainless at a good hrc vs your typical carbon steels, ie plate quenching etc. I also don't think the crazy toughness of 3v matters enough in a 3in blade, I would make corrosion and edge retention the priority. Just my opinion there
Theres a great steel called Nitro V that a bunch of custom makers are working with often these days, due to its relative balance of desirable attributes (stainlessness, strength, machineability and price), if you are still in the discovery phase it would be a good one to try. S35VN is great though, as long as folks go into it with reasonable expectations. Great video!
I chipped a benchmade folder on a road chickens neck, it's garbage 🗑️🚮
14c28n has better stats per knifesteel nerds
Glad to see you guys telling folks to use the right tool for the job. Recreational battoning has gotten out of hand.
This type of behavior from a manufacturer really is the gold standard. Honest about the materials science, no hype or misinformation, and no changes to the warranty despite major changes in blade materials. This is how it should be.
I love how much ESEE are responding to commets there are such few companies that do this !
I don't know much about knives but I'm really impressed with the honesty in this video.
There are TWO things that I am completely sure of when it comes to this life we are all in. The love that Jesus Christ has for all of us and ESEE knives will stand behind there products. I have SEVERAL of them and I fully expect them to be passed down to my great great grand children! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE and trust your knives! Keep up the good work!
That's high praise....we will do our best to always stand behind our products....we like to build working heirlooms.
I like the straight forwardness here... also your Lifetime warranty. Your offerings continue to take my money. Thanks for making GREAT KNIVES.
thank you very much! we appreciate your loyalty.
I love Patrick's proud smile while stating "I Broke It!"
I can't do nuthin with him....
LOL! Yep. Snapped that blade like a boss. But Patrick flat out said it was excessive. Its great that actually TEST these things. Awesome.
Thanks for an honest video . 1095 has stood the test of time not as a racehorse , but a tough ass hell Molly mule .
The real question is, at 6:39 who snapped an Esee 5 and how?
Right? That knife’s bladestock is phat with a ph.
I broke one once
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 my I ask how?
I love how up front you guys are with this. Kudos to you.
in our eyes it's the ONLY way to be!
Over the years, I've owed both folding and fix blades in virtually every steel (including super steels) and still to this day, prefer a good 1095 or 01. I also really like a properly heat treated A2.
proper heat treat is KEY for sure!!!
@@RandallsAdventureESEE Amen
And also bladegrind, how the edge is ground, how you sharpen your blade, how you use it and how you maintain it. Good heat treat combined with a polished convex edge is better, than super steels and a bench grinder.
I really been likeing hogues exf01 a2, has been holding up really well, 3v is my next choice other than a2 tho
I just want to say, you guys have a ton of integrity. You are probably the only brand of any sort that I've seen where the video that most frequently comes up when I search you is one where you break your newest and arguably highest end product in testing.
I recently added an ESEE 3 S35VN to the collection and put on some blue Knife Connection handles - an amazing combo and super comfy/fills out my hand extremely well. I have to say it's such a great little knife and an incredible slicer, with the perfect balance of "not too big and not too small". It's quickly become one of my all-time favorites. With that being said, you guys reallllllllllllllllly need to explore adding (or replacing with) Magnacut and 3V into the range.
The warranty you guys offer makes the customer confident in the purchase. Thank you.
we stand behind what we build...and we value the trust of our customers! Thank you for your support!
that my friend is call pure integrity, something this world is lacking, just for that you guys are on my next knive list . thank you!
just doing what we felt was best..
Sadly many companies are not this open and honest. ESEE sets what the standard should be.
Gotta love the no questions asked warranty, brings peace of mind knowing I can be hard on my esees as they're meant to be used and you guys have our backs.
this is a very good knife....but it is different than our 1095 blades and we just wanted out customers to know the differences. If you use this as a knife and not a battering ram you will love it! Thanks again and if you need us, we are here for you.
I can't help but, become a Essee owner because of this video (twisted my arm). Integrity is far and view between these days. The way you listen to customers and the transparency about the products you make is inspiring. Based on what I seen in this video I just purchased the Essee 6 but, I'm sure this Essee 3 in S35V will make it in my arsenal also.✌
thank you...we just try to do our best to put out great products and communicate realistic expectations to our customers.
Honest, transparent and uses the tools they make ESEE are down to earth and get my nod. Personally I am happy with the 440c Izula for stain resistance and edge retention, not large enough for axe work abuse.
Cheers
I think your personalities and humbleness just sold me on a knife
LoL...that is a first then!! thank you though
@@RandallsAdventureESEE going with the OG 1095 fyi
It's great that you guys are up front about the pros and cons of different models. I just got an ESEE-4 (1095) and love it!
Glad to hear you are pleased.. we want to do our best to make sure we help customers set expectations out of the gate!
I wish I had a picture of my junglas battoning a knotty piece of hedge! Looked like a boomerang! Sprung back true after the fact and its still my most used knife after 8-10 years! Had a wood stove for primary heat and used my junglas to process all my kindling and small logs. 10hrs +- of use per week for years! It’s literally an extension of my arm at this point. I’m confident buying an esee 3 in s35vn, because I will never use it to batton or pry… I already have a tool for that 👍
Best stainless options would be AEB-L or 14C28N for toughness
I love s35v for a folder but I can’t sharpen it as effectively out in the field. My esse 6 has never been hard to keep shaving sharp despite using it like a miniature machete. Every tool has an ideal steel don’t try to be what your not.
No one wants a cpm steel in an axe head.
Try only a ceramic rod on your 35v, and you should be very pleased 😁
Clearly Canadian ceramic rods are ‘the shit’!
Don’t leave home without one(when carrying a blade).
Richard Locke speak for yourself, I would love a tomahawk or hatchet in cpm 1v or something similar
Death By Astonishment I want a Vanax machete! Can’t afford that much Vanax unfortunately.
I appreciate the amazing warranty you have at esee that I never miss treat one of my 7 esse’s i love them and your support makes me want to care for mine even further knowing if I accidentally mess it up I’ll still be happy with your crew and the company, the worst thing I’ve done with my izula is cut out some dragging trim on my wife’s car, because lady driver.. 👍🏼
I bought an Esee Laser Strike and put it to the test last summer working at a summer camp. I couldn't seem to break the thing in all the batoning and abuse I put it through. Great knife, maybe some day I'll be able to use the warranty.
If you all ever come out with an ESEE 6 in CPM-3V I will be all over that. Love my ESEE-6 blades (I have several, some are user/abusers and some are for display in my knife collection) and having one in uncoated CPM-3V would be excellent.
I don't disagree with you in the least...pushing for 3v on my end.
I think your 440c and 440c in general are very underrated. I do appreciate that you guys are trying different steels and being honest about how it performs. I will be purchasing a zancudo fixed blade to use as a game processing knife.
We agree whole heartedly...many don't understand exactly how good 440c IS and that is is a far cry from 440a/b....but it's not the flash in the market that others are....
@@RandallsAdventureESEE Isn't 154CM very similar to 440C? Crucible turns out powdered and regular 154 and as a foundry they seem to be a very reliable, consistent (I always worry about the upstream supply chain - who makes the ingots, is it a brand or a formula - the knife makers themselves seem pretty good this decade).
Iv used my 4 for yrs as my all around camp knife, skinning, butchering, all around tool for out doors, iv scratched it, dented it, chipped it and dulled the hell out of it on bones, digging cat holes etc, yet it's my favorite knife, and I can get it razor sharp on almost any thing, love the forgiveness of the steel, litterally sharpened it on rocks, bone when skinning, stroped it on the hide of my game to touch edge up and kept going. My friends knifes have mostly gone to the side and they have esee's now, also have a izulla and a candiru., the can is my all around pocket knife. And my Izzy is the one in my I'm going hiking for a day or 5 bag, what I'm saying is some times there's no need to reinvent the wheel, a shinny new wheel is nice but some times gives up something to be all shinny. Yep a pun at the new steel, any ways ty for a great product iv loved and used for yrs. God bless. P. S your customer service is awesome. And your personal emails though the service of fixing a knife problem was great. Daniel from Cluny in Canada if you Remeber me. A sheath problem last yr. Problem fixed, can't say enough good..
Hey Daniel...glad to hear we got you taken care of and that our products are serving you well!! thanks again!
I don't own any ESEE knives right now, but I really appreciate you doing this video. I hear people getting down on 1095 and raving about "super steels" all the time. I don't know about all the high end stuff out there, but I do know that I've never had one of my 1095 knives let me down, no matter the abuse. As far as edge retention goes, it seems like this is primarily a concern from people who don't know how to sharpen and maintain a blade or don't think they should have to. Thanks!
Aaron Peabody That May be part of it but I do understand what people are asking for and as long as people understand the usage characteristics all should be well.
I wonder if the new CPM-Magnacut would do a good job for a stainless esee. It is really tough especially at lower Hrc. It is also nearly rust proof, with similar sharpening and edge retention to S35v
Mad respect for ESEE for being honest and for putting out great products.
The Esee brand is absolutely my favorite knifes in the world in my collection! I own many types of their knives, and accessories! They are just my favorite tools period. I wish I could own everyone of what they make! 😊 Thanks for everything guys, you’re the greatest!
We appreciate your support for sure! Thank you.
I gotta say that I appreciate your honest and upfront discussion of your products. I have two of the older D2 Esee 3 knives and like them very much, but the heat and humidity in the summertime in the area I live in causes the blade edges to dull. I have never batoned a knife in my life, so I am not worried about hurting the S35VN blade through that. I am waiting now until the new stainless Esee 3 and the Xancudo come out, as I plan to buy both. I am really getting into a small fixed blade as a EDC knife. I had a Spyderco Yojimbo 2 open up in my pocket and slice me when I reached in, so folding knives have lost some of their appeal to me. Have a great day fellas.
So what is Bark River doing with their S35vn that ESEE isn't? It's extremely rare that you ever hear of a Bark River breaking. I've abused 3V just as much as I have 1095. It holds an edge at least twice as long as 1095 and it's semi-stainless. I would love to see an ESEE 3 in 3V. Or better yet, a collaboration between ESEE and Bark River to make an ESEE 3. An ESEE 3 in Elmax or 3V available in Bark River handle materials would be amazing.
I can't speak to what BRK is doing....we don't their process or heat treat....I do know they make great stuff and stand behind it....We feel very confident in our heat treat and feel like to get the most out of S35vn this is the Rockwell we need to be at...because of that...there is a yin/yang in edge retention and toughness.
bark river user dont use theire knive ,, thats why ;) they are collector much or less, and yes i saw a couple bark river knive being broken on some fan pages on facebook.
@@cjvilleneuve1566 Bark River owners do use their knives. Just not in their backyards making UA-cam videos.
@@vicarious1028 I own a few barkies myself. Broken a few through testing on purpose. The stress levels between bark river and Esee knives are very similar. 3v is tough, and will outlast 1095 no doubt. But it isn’t enough of a difference to justify $300 vs $120. Not to mention, bark river isn’t exactly known for their customer service. I know Esee will replace my knife if it comes to, but I have yet to break any of my esees that I’ve had over the past 10 years. Performance over looks.
I'd definitely pick up a 3 or Izula II in S35VN for hunting or general purpose use. As far as my camp knife, I'll stick with my Esee 6 in 1095 and my Fiskars hatchet. Those two are the perfect pair for processing wood! That 1095 can take a beating and sharpen right back up with ease, I love it.
This is why an ESEE 4 is strapped to the side of my hiking/camping bag and an ESSE 3 is on my kayak. They haven't had your coating on em in years but doesn't matter, I forced a patina and treat regularly with mineral oil. Rust free for years, and I can't imagine a damper environment than the hull of a fishing kayak other than the lake and river bottoms I skim over.
What you need is an ESEE 6 in 1095 steel or an ESEE 5 if you need a real thick blade. The ESEE 6 1095 blade will bend 30+ degrees and come back straight- my favorite knife.
I have the esee 6 and esee 3. I’ve beat the crap out of the 6 and it’s by far the toughest knife I own. I keep the 6 in my truck I can always depend on it. I carry the 3 inverted on my belt and it makes one awesome steak knife!
I judged your knives by which one I found I wanted to use most, your feedback here is why I'm going to keep grabbing the right knife. Thank you!
We appreciate that trust you put in us! That trust is why we make videos like this.
I ran over a E3 with a D6 dozer in the woods , it was a gift from my oldest son , of course it broke . Without me knowing he sent it back , replaced no questions asked , this is a company I love to support with my hard earned money . As far as the Esee’s with 3v , TAKE MY MONEY . Love your products & more importantly customer service!
I think I remember us talking about that specific warranty incident. Happy to help!
I bought this exact knife two weeks ago at Buds Gun Shop in Sevierville TN. It is such a fine knife for its intended purpose. Personally, I would never baton this knife unless my life was on the line. I have other great tools for processing fire wood. I appreciate your honesty in sharing how you broke your knife. Please don’t be offended if you ever ask me to loan you a knife and I hand you a beater knife and not my ESSEE 3.
Mike from Tuscaloosa Alabama
If you guys make a PR4 in S35VN I promise I'll buy it!
love the transparency and honesty here - been looking for a new fixed blade for a while and after seeing y'all in a few videos I think ESEE is the way i'm gonna go!
The honesty is welcome. You guys pretty much said it all. Personally not surprised by the results. Still planning on getting a Xancudo for a fishing/boat belt knife, no need for batoning. If I ever feel my ol standby 1095 stuff is lacking....my steel and strop remedy the feeling in minutes !
The Xancudo will perform great in that application!!
Love your honesty and integrity. I would love to review one of your knives on my UA-cam channel. And prove some of the naysayers wrong. We are a bunch of air gunners and all of us have EDC it's a must have in our sport and hobby. I actually got into knife collecting from my air gun adventures. Now we all compete to see who gets the next best knife.
S35vn is good.
But man I hope 3v comes in the near future.
A 3 in 3v would be the perfect edc and outdoor knife.
3v holds a edge well & is not difficult to sharpen or maintain. At all. Also don’t rust as easy as other “tool steel”
I hope you guys do some serious looking into 3v. Fingers crossed!
Lol how odd that you guys just came out with this video and I just received your ESEE PR4 today. Love it and just ordered your whiskey brown Armatus sheath from your website can’t wait to get it. Keep up the great work!
We will do our level best!
I know I'm a couple days late to comment, but would like to add my two cents. I love what you do with 1095 and no nonsense, hard use knives. I own the 4, 6, PR 4, izula, and two izula2's. The izula2's get used the most and I don't baby them. I know you have gotten an earful about 3v and I agree to a degree. I'm around alot of horses and livestock where conditions can get pretty corrosive. An izula 2 in 3v would find a welcome home with me because it's not only tough, but can be almost stainless.
I'd still take the S35VN over carbon steel. I had an Esee 3 years ago and really didn't like it at all. I don't know if someone was sleeping when they did the heat treat that day or what, but that edge just didn't hold the way that steel should have. My buddy got one of these, and I used it for a week or so and was really impressed with it's edge retention.
Even when I get a knife I really like, my eyes are always wandering to see what else is out there, and inevitably they get replaced (probably a common story). I bought a Lionsteel M4 years ago and haven't even considered replacing it. At this point I don't even consider carbon steel anymore. I'm not out in the woods for weeks, so I'm not going to be needing to resharpen then with river stones or anything that. The other steels are tough enough for my needs. I never quite got the argument that carbon steel works better with fire rods. They certainly do, but if I find myself in a scenario where the only way I can start a fire with one is with the blade of my knife, so many things have gone wrong that it's probably the least of my issues. My lighters, matches and emergency matches I coat in wax that are in several different places that I use normally would have to be gone. Even then, my rod already has a cover with a scraper and everything is tethered together, so if the scraper is gone, the rod probably is too.
Have you tried 3V steel? I feel like that would be more of a hard use premium steel that could have advantages over 1095.
We are just dipping our toe in the market and like we said in the video, there are a myriad of options to choose from....we will be testing more in the future.
Z-Wear PM would be an even better choice than 3v if thinking about a extremely tough hard working "super steel."
@@johnnyra2437 I agree with the Z-Wear pm ,. I own a M8 in Z-Wear pm steel and it's super tough and stays sharp for a long, long time even after beating on it.
@@joshuagenovese36 agreed... miller bros blades in Z-Wear are undoubtedly the strongest and toughest blades of any maker I know of.
@@johnnyra2437 Most people don't know this, but the reason Luke Skywalker threw his light saber away is because his blue blade was cut in half by someone carrying a MBB M-24 in Z-Wear PM.
Love my AGK. 1095 serves me just fine, and is easy to touch up.
Your 1095 is fantastic, had my ESEE4 for about 5 years now. The handles are a little slim so shame there is no upgraded scales to buy in the UK, ive just gotten used to the slim handles.
You should definitely take a closer look at Nitro-V as blade material. I used and abused a similar sized knife from a custom knife maker and edge retention as well as toughness were fantastic. Highly recommended! Great attitude also showing failures and set-backs along the way. I have my izula2 for ages now and it never disappoints. Cheers from Germany...
Mike Hardman thank you for the feedback and suggestions. It’s greatly appreciated
Shane :
“ Tell us what you did “ .
Patrick :
“ I broke It “,
Haha
Man of many words haha haha haha .
Appreciate this .
I’m ready to purchase the ESEE 5 or 6 in S35VN ( if avail ).
Happy New Year Everyone 🤠🙏❤️🔪💥
I feel like the s35vn version will have more of a limited usage capacity. Almost more of just food prep knife or making feather sticks. I would not want to use it for full out bushcrafting simply for the fact it’ll be harder to sharpen in the field and will chip a heck of a lot more than 1095.
this was one reason we wanted to start the conversation with our customers...if you don't baton or use it for HARD USE...we think it will be great...we (and many of our customers) are used to hammering on our knives and we wanted to be really honest about expectations.
@@RandallsAdventureESEE I'm one of those guys that would love the stainless "super steel" but more for the purposes that NY Blade EDC stated. It's the search for the unicorn knife. My kudos for making the ESEE 6, I love the knife and the abuse it will take but I'd love to have an EDC version that I can use at work, in the wet, turn around and take it camping with my Roselli Axe to have a basher and a cutter. I get pangs of guilt every time my 6 or Izula develops rust on that cutting edge.
pinkiewerewolf rust is your knifes way of telling you it’s needs more use! LoL.
@@RandallsAdventureESEE hahaha, for sure, and a bit more timely edge maintenance. I have to fly under the radar with it at work so sometimes that gets put off for a few hours.
@@pinkiewerewolf yeah I feel yah. I stopped using carbon steel for a lot of field knives simply because where I live, in the winter, knives rust inside their sheaths etc. People end up having more problems with sharpening and edge retention with carbon steel than stainless simply because of rust. I strongly recommend m390 which is a steel I've been using for some series of knives and that stuff is simply insane. I used one of my m390 Coldboy series to skin, gut, debone something like 2 sheep and 4 white tail with a week of daily use in between out at my cottage without any sharpening required. A simple strop does a good job of cleaning up the edge too. So carbon steels are slowly loosing their touch. And people who complain about sharpening knives in the field should just stay at home or at McDonald's.
After watching this video, I just ordered the ease 3 in S35. I have a small spring-steel machete for any larger wood processing for a camp fire, right tool for the right job, I don't carry an axe because I don't know how to use it safely.
You guys are the best! I love my ESEE's. I have many different knives from many different companies. Everything from $20 to $500+
I will NEVER get rid of my ESEE 5. That thing is my workhorse.
....oh yah, and I'm buying another ESSE just because of this video. haha
Thank you! We appreciate the support!
3V would have been the way to go
3V is another great option and one we are exploring...
No, 3V is significantly more brittle than S35VN and is challenging to field sharpen. I love and have ran 3V in the woods. But it's far from a first choice. (Also not as corrosion resistant)
@@AlaskanFrontier1 we know 3V would be a popular option but we really wanted something that was corrosion resistant as well...
@@RandallsAdventureESEE Of course. That is what I said. Having ran both steels, I can attest to the corrosion resistance of 35VN in fresh and salt water. Especially in comparison to 3V. Really 35VN is a remarkable steel for the wilderness and or damp environments.
No its not. I cut cinder block with 3V I made
It is way tougher then s35vn.
I don't understand why anyone would want a hard super steel for a survival knife. Pen/folding knife maybe
@Dan Welch depends on heat treat
Steel snobs
Seems reasonable for people that EDC a fixed blade and are using it for those types of tasks vs it as the 1 tool survival knife option
@Dan Welch yeah people who don't study metallurgy often misinterpret brittleness for hardness. Or too much hardness as brittleness. When hardness and brittleness are two separate phenomena that don't always correlate. In addition to this if I stick a piece of 1095 in a forge at 1000celsius for 2 hours then quench it, it'll have high brittleness and low hardness and low edge retention and a lower ability to have an acute edge angle.
Most production grade knives in stainless steels can snap by simply bending it in a vice. On top of all this, not having any taper in a blade will almost certainly lead to a fracture.
@Dan Welch it really depends on overall geometry in most cases. But any super steel with iron or non hardened steel laminate, like the takeda series of hunting knives, won't break. And will most certainly be superior to the knives shown in this video even though they're rat tail and forged.
I would love to see the izula 2 in s35vn with red liners and black G10 scales. It would be great for the UK market as us outdoors guys cant be seen carrying a fixed blade. Good job guys
We agree that would be a great knife.
Why no fixed blades
I just got my first esee knife. And i know i can trust this knife to get me into and out of the woods. Thank you at esee for being straight up honest. This esee 3 will not be my only knife i plan on getting more in the future. Loved the photo of the esee and glock 19. Or 17.
We don't take that trust lightly! I you need us we are here! Thanks again!
If you made an ESEE 5 model in CPM 3V I would buy 12 of them. Please.
I can see you will be replacing allot of these knives...
Thanks for being so honest , says allot about you guys, much respect
I appreciate that you guys are transparent with your results. Anyone that thinks super steels are “the best” hopefully learned here that there’s a give and take with edge retention and overall toughness.
I’d be curious about cpm-3v. But yes, super steels can be more brittle from what I’ve seen. Thanks for keeping it real ESEE. I love your blades.
Most of us were hoping for CPM3V
man we hear so many options for all over...3v is a popular one for sure....this was a starting point...let's just leave it at that for now.
I don't know what people wrote in their comments. But if I think of a 'premium steel' with good edge retention and excellent toughness, CPM 3V would be the first steel that came to my mind.
As I'm not a premium steel nerd, I'm fine with 1095 for knives designed for hard use. But would like to see you try out 80CrV2 too. It's a very tough carbon steel. It's not as flexible as 1095 but still hard to break. It's even more resistant to shock than 1095 and holds an edge significantly longer. Probably the wrong steel for nerds but a highly capable alternative to 1095.
The knife community hit a low point a few years ago with internet driven destruction tests and "if I only had one do-all knife during the apocolypse" fantasies. Thank you for respecting people that use your knives with your products and education. Cool knife, BTW!
We honestly believe that MANY people know this...but we wanted to do our absolute best to communicate with EVERYONE what our findings were and how to adjust expectations.
You guys will continue to get my business. I bought an ESEE 4 in S35VN a few days ago for general light duty use, but I will be picking up a 5 in 1095 eventually to replace my Kabar
Very cool adding a high-end stainless option. At that blade size, it's impressive the amount of pummeling you had to do to break it. Sounds like most people with a decent head on their shoulders will respect the limits of the knife and either use a different tool for wood processing, or you could easily fashion a wedge if you felt the need to process something bigger that normally necessary. I have no doubt that stainless Esee 3 would baton through a lot of smaller firewood for a long time if you. Many of us avoid batoning through knots as it is because it's more work.
I think S35Vn is a good choice and really helps round out the offerings for the hunters or people who live in very wet climates that still want the robust design of an Esee, or just like supporting the brand and stainless is a better option. I don't care for coatings on small knives (anything under "chopper/big knife" size), so having it without a coating is a big plus for me.
Great points and we agree...this knife would be a phenomenal hunting blade!
Sweet blades. I currently own 3 awesome Esee products. My question is, would these S35vn blades do well for game prep - like skinning deer or smaller game? I'd like to have somthing less prone to rust as well as somthing that stays sharp for a long period of time.
Other than that, I've allways liked Esee and will continue to buy your products. Some of the best in the knife business, and you cant beat the Warranty that's forsure. Thanks for the update on the new products guys. Look forward to owning more and making some videos of me using them..lol
Joshua Genovese it would be outstanding for That and I can’t wait to use it for that purpose!
So the Zancudo will have a sheath like the 3? When will the Zancudo be available to buy?
MSU Bird Hunter the Zancudo is slightly larger than the Izula and uses the same clip plate. Should be hitting dealers by the end of Feb.
I just got turned on to the ESSE knives. Have a 4, and just got a 5 for Christmas. Awesome knives - I especially wanted the 1095 because I heard that works better with ferro rods. I works great, haven't tried other types of material knives for that purpose. I filed off the coating on the back of the spine for that purpose, I haven't noted any rusting yet. Anyway, I love them. I can't wait to take the esse 5 out and split some wood.
glad to hear it...and thank you. You can scrape a ferro rod with almost ANY 90* surface....so you may have to file a nice sharp edge on the spine. Personally I like to carry Ferro rods that have a dedicated striker like Exotac or Light my Fire.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said use the right tool for the job. I think the s35vn knives have a different job than the 1095. They are perfect for hunting or for an edc fixed blade that you are not going to beat on yet still needs the ESEE reliability. I have been looking for a hunting knife for my wife and that 3 in s35vn should be great.
thank you!
I would love to see Esee start offering an O1 or 80CRV2 versions of all their knives.
Only people who wanted a “higher end” steel were those who don’t use them
not always the case but there is a sliver of truth in that...
That's always the case with steel snobs.
I love 1095 but for my small knives I would rather have edge retention. Plus I live in the Netherlands, everything rusts like crazy here with our high humidity.
Not necessarily, some know that different steel has different application. I love my high-end steel kitchen knife (designed by me, crafted by a friend of mine). Crazy sharp, crazy edge retention (crazy not silly like the Myabi, it tested at RC 60). I would never want to field-sharpen that knife though.
Though I have to say, the better my sharpening game gets, the less important "edge retention" becomes. But bottom line is, use the right steel for the right job.
You’re painting with a big brush dude. I understand the bomb proof nature of 1095 but you have to understand maybe about 10% of civilian regular knife users would really need that. Most of us will never need to survive with one knife. I live in a city near the Atlantic Ocean, fish and beach camp every season, 1095 is not real suited for that scenario. That being said, the xancudo with hole would make an excellent general purpose camp and saltwater fishing knife. Already ordered mine and can’t wait to use it this upcoming season.
God Bless you all. I love an honest company that backs up their product.
Right tool for the job also applies to right steel for the job. It’s the age old trade off between hardness and toughness, you’re never going to be able to beat on the S35VN 3 the way you can beat on the 1095, but then the S35VN makes a more favourable hunting/game prep knife. Understanding the limitations of your tools is important. If you have to baton with it, use a wedge and you take all the risk out of the process (I’ve confidently batoned my Avispa with no fear of damage using a wedge).
well said!! and we agree 100%
I remember that day when I used my Dad's razor to pry open a stuck garbage can lid. You see boys,, there are sharp as hell knives, made for cutting and there are pry bars, made for prying.
If you go in the woods to cut up wood for a fire......take an ax.
Everyone dont know when there going to end up in the woods....And I'm not going to carry an axe on my belt everyday....But I will carry a fixed blade..Everyday along with a folder... So if you happen to be the one to slide off the side of the road in the middle of nowhere. You might find it nice and pleasant to have that fixed blade with you so u can start a fire instead of freezing....Theres always a better tool for the job...But theres also that tool that's not the best at everything but can do it all.....
@@preppinainteasy9965 I always know when I'm going to end up in the woods, and take an ax, and a shotgun... as well as my knife. I cut firewood with the ax,, I shoot game with my shotgun,, and I skin the game with my knife. I DON'T cut firewood with my knife,, I DON'T skin game with my ax,, and I Don't cut wood with my shotgun. There is not one tool that does all three well.
@@timhallas4275 so u know when your tire is gonna blow out?? Or A Deer runs in front of your truck? Hell I take an axe when I know what I'm going to do....It seems you miss the whole point of batoning,survival Not planning to go hell if I know I'm going to be cutting I'll take a damn Milwaukee 18 volt fuel sawsall,or chain saw...Its about what you have when you need it.....Incase Yes even a forest hatchet is always in my truck...Then what happens when you are riding in your wifes car,with a friend anything..Not urban areas where u actually have to go to town.. Just saying It has a place... Not recommended by none but taught by all for some reason.....
@@preppinainteasy9965 I have a full compliment of survival gear in the trunk of my car. If i have a flat, I'll change it and go home. If a deer runs in front of me.....I guess I won't need the shotgun to have a nice roadside meal, while waiting for the tow truck.. Oh did I mention, I also take a cell phone and extra socks when i go in the woods. I see that your not going to be happy til you find a way to make me fail. Why is that?
@@timhallas4275 Actually bud just trying to let u see 2 sides but apparently u are way to stubborn to see where it can be used.....I can go on ,and on with scenarios..Its gonna do know good when you are talking on someone who always has the perfect tool with them all the time for anything they run across... Apparently your not one that's had to make trips through mountains 100's of miles with no signal...and Can change your tire down in a ditch and be on your merry way never mind the snow are the 150' Bank you have to get out off...Because I'm sure you have a 200' winch and a satelite phone...so no not trying to make anyone fail just trying to have one se where it could be useful,that's it..I'm just another of the 90% of idiots where I know where its place is in Survival.......Not planned hunts,camping,hiking trips.....But I will Agree with you I dont like to do it never have.....I also dont like digging a 4'×30" whole with a kbar but been times where didnt have much option......
Carbon steel for the win.
How refreshing! Bravo guys.👍
Side note: I have a D2 Zancudo folder that I edc at work (Electrician) have had it for nearly three years, she looks a bit 'weathered' but still performs great, especially with some of the nasty things I use it for.
Would replace in a heartbeat if I ever lost her.
This must be the best warranty that we could have ever covered from a product. I was thinking about cold steel made s35 but this video changed my mind to buy the knife from you. Probably not s35 since I would not love to see that my knife is broken when my life is on the line.
You can win this argument by tempering the blade and then heat treat only the cutting edge to 60.
Unrelated comment, never had a moment's concern over my Essee 6 plain. I trust my life to this knife.
Lyndal Stuart glad to hear it and also a strong reason why we wanted to put this out there.
Ive decided that I really need the izzulla, I have lots of underbrush where I live in North Arkansas "the ozarks" looks a lot more versatile than a standard machete...
SO much respect for admiting your products limits
@Randall's Adventure / ESEE this is probably one the greatest comment sections among all of knife manufacturers, greatly appreciated (y)
we are here to please....been busy the last few days and having to catch up now...I try to answer as many as possible..
I'm going to stick with the ESEE ROWEN heat treated 1095, which all of my ESEE knives are made of. 🤘
Cpm 3v is the way forward.
We hear a lot about 3v....but we wanted another stainless options...down then line it will be a consideration.
@@RandallsAdventureESEE 3V
@@RandallsAdventureESEE 3V isn't technically stainless, but it is much, much more corrosion resistant than 10 series steels. It really would be a great middle ground as a 3rd option.
Glad you guys did this testing first😅.
Thx for transparency & 🔪warranty.👍🏻👍🏻
New handles look awesome!
very impressed with the new scales...the Rowens did a great job on those!
Glad you made that distinction that batoning was only for emergency survival situations!