F-35 With AGM-88G vs Layered S-400 SA-21, SA-22, SA-19, SA-18 SAM Network (WarGames 115) | DCS
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- We simulate a how effective stealth 5th generation F-35 with the new SEAD AGM-88G AARGM-ER anti-radition missiles would be against a layered Russian S-400 SAM network.
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Hey cap !
Could you do it the opposite way , like using su-57s su-25s ,su-34s
I wanna see what that cheeky Russians can do against patriot , Gepards etc combined
This is the best I can do, as far as I can see Russia just does not have modern SEAD weapons: ua-cam.com/video/FdoyfKgaONE/v-deo.html
@@grimreapers you haven’t got a clue what Russia has,or what it’s weapons can do,even the pentagon said Russia has some impressive weapons.
@@ebonytv3414 he is talking about whats in the game... chill man.. what do u know??
@@ebonytv3414 russias weapons are laughable at best
@@ebonytv3414 L
We got the HARM's to the fleet in large numbers from 85 to 86. I was an Aviation Ordnance Tech aboard the Theodore Roosevelt and in our first Med cruise we still had AGM-45 Shrike's aboard which we began transitioning with the HARM's. They were primarily carried by the Intruders and Prowlers, especially the Prowlers set up for SEAD. Then when we got the FA-18C models of the Hornet we began using those too. If I remember correctly the -18A & B were only capable of using the AGM-45 Shrike's. That was the only reason we kept some until all the squadron's were only using the -18C & D. My division sent 6 of us to the HARM A-school which was a 3 day course on function, assembly/disassembly and trouble shooting. We had a test kit we used to diagnose faults and clear them. But the strange thing was they never taught us actual repair work. If the fault could not be cleared, it went back into it's container and shipped back to the beach. We didn't have but a few errors and those were easily resettable. That's the limit of my knowledge. And they always harped safety when handling. They were $1.2 million a copy in 1986 dollars, which made it one of the most expensive bullets we had. Even a Phoenix was not as much at 1 million even.
Thanks VH!
@@grimreapers lol you remember me! I got tired of that so I went with one of the old sayings we used to say all the time when I was in the USN. I will go back to VH as my DCS handle. Love you guys! Soon as I get my new job going I am going to join the Patreon (or whatever it's called)
Awesome thank you for your service and these nuggets of real intel that bring real life experiences to this platform
@@Wilko601st That's one of the best things about this community is the people. The sim is the main attraction, but I get to hear from all these people who been there and done that. Like Bogey Dope who's an ex-crew chief for an F-16 or Casmo who flew Apache's and Kiowas in combat. So many others too. And even non veterans who are just enthusiast. Some of them are very knowledgeable and their passion is real. Thanks for the service appreciation.
Hey guys! Just a development thought. The f-35 is able to carry aim9x-3, which is essentially an aim9x-2 with RAM coatings for external carriage on the f-35. Would be cool to see in some videos
I'd love to see you utilise decoys more, or even better be able to create an AGM-160B MALD. The amount of wargames content you could make by effective use of that would be huge :)
Yup will make 160B at some point.
Mald... hehehehe
Also a mald j with a built in jammer
Now that you’ve got a formula for beating the S-400, the possibilities for several more missions just opened up!! Not gonna lie, it felt great to watch the Reapers destroy that thing. It’s been a thorn in the side of so many previous missions, it was high time for some revenge!!
Awesome clip GR!
Next thing that should be added to the F-35 is the GBU-53/B Stormbreaker, of which the Lightning can carry 8 each along with 2 other missiles, which are glide bombs that can go more than a hundred kilometers. Well outside the detection range for the S-400. It has a different philosophy than the AARGM-ER such that its slow but you can carry much more of them and they are much more cheaper than the AARGMs at just a little over 100k each. The Stormbreaker and the AARGM can also be used together (2 AARGMs and 8 Stormbreakers in a F-35) by launching the Stormbreaker first to suck up enemy missiles then firing the AARGMs a little while later WHILE (not after) the S-400 is preoccupied with the Stormbreakers. If that's too complicated for DCS, launching the AARGMs and Stormbreakers at the same time could also work by taking out the radars first with the much faster AARGMs but their effectiveness might be reduced since the numbers would be cut by half by the Stormbreakers. This could be supplemented by simply having more F-35s though. The Stormbreakers would clean up afterwards. If possible, I think I would prefer (and I think it's more realistic) the first strategy though.
i can see you watched hypops video
100km, which is about 50nm which is what the s400 detection range is being simulated here. MMW PGM's are possible in DCS, but are a lot of work which is why we don't have radar guided hellfires yet. After those are added to the core game along with the GBU39's we'll probably see a mod for stormbreakers.
This is interesting thanks.
One thing to always remember, and any U.S. vet that has dealt with PMS will understand this to some extent. When you screw with stuff it is going to break. When you don't maintain your equipment at all, it will fail you. So there has to be a happy medium. I personally think that the 90-2000's U.S. Navy PMS (Preventive Maintenance System) system was too much and it ended up breaking more than it prevented. However, it has been commonly accepted that the Russian's haven't maintained their equipment or trained their personnel to the level that other countries (for instance the US). So therefore, their stuff won't work as it should. Which brings me to their ship that got sunk. If their DC crews were trained properly that ship shouldn't have been sunk. If their defensive systems trained like we did, it wouldn't have been hit. Again, just my two cents.
I understand that the bulk of your videos on this is proof of concept, and that trumps what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that in real world engagement's, Russian equipment isn't as good as it SHOULD be. And the stuff the US has is way better than what Janes or Wiki says it is. Trust me, I know from first hand experience as far as ASW and AAW goes. The 90's AEGIS is WAY better than what you've been told, by a lot!!! I understand you've got to go off of what you can research, but the AN/SPY-1A is much better than what is local knowledge.
The Moskava still would have sunk due to how fucked the ship actually was. It reportedly couldn't turn its radars on and use its comms at the same time, it had faulty damage control systems, its steering controls were busted and to top all that off, the fire extinguishers were all locked up by the Admiral to prevent theft. With all that in mind, I think the training which was also terrible was actually a more minor factor in this specific instance.
I have to say, that is the first time I've ever seen two F-16s sumo wrestling. New experiences = richer life.
How cultured.
Hello Cap.
Love all the work you guys do. Especially this last SEAD mission. In my mind it can actually stand as a future episode of a possible Greek-Turky conflict.
Greece is planning to acquire 24xF35A and the Turkish side allready has 2x S400 units.
I just had an idea for a game: bowling. Get a bunch of plane/ trucks lined up on one end of a runway. Have GR planes at the other. Throttle up, eject, and try to hit as many targets as possible.
lol fun.
The low and fast flare drop won the battle on this day.
23:19 so thats how the f35 was made
Yes BUT it's X-rated.
I dream about when these mods will be available for the rest of us. Keep up the great work.
good morning Cap and Crew. hope your all doing well and having an awesome day
Exciting and impressive with added silly.
Nice!
Always enjoy a different landing scenario 😄
Feel better soon, Cap 👌
Time to retry Kortana's elite level air defense site?
Well, this was supposed to be against that exact site BUT every time an AGM-88G hit one of those S-400 IADS radars, the game crashed. I spent many hours trying different things, but not luck. Hence I had to hastily bodge this scenario together instead :(
Okay, this was fun to watch! I'd love to see this same mission with an expanded view. Some Russian fighters left over so there would be some hot, sexy GR Air-To-Air Action! Great video, love the Proof of Concept Series!
Cap you’ve mentioned a few times that an s-400 wouldn’t shoot at a HIMARS round because the cost difference wouldn’t be worth it. You’re failing to realize HIMARS rounds are limited and therefor primarily used to target Russian HVT (ammo depots,command posts,barracks,etc). Maybe the round only costs a fraction of an s-400s but it’s impact on the war effort can be incalculable. Now I don’t know if a s-400 can really intercept a HIMARS round but I do know given the chance they would absolutely try.
put the SPEAR-EW/SPEAR-3 inside the F-35, they can carry 4 per bay and might make a huge difference
@@cj64343 so?
Eurofighter carrying 18 on 6 hardpoints as follow up after stealth strike
@@nigelmacbug6678 yeees
The GBU-53/B looks like it can glide over 45 miles, has a multi function, 105# warhead and is Network capable.
Quite a unit, previously in DCS, Networking the LARASM's was not possible so not sure if that feature will be available.
If additional F-35's were used against the tertiary defenses it seems loss of aircraft might be avoided.
Because of the small size of these new munitions, the F-15E Strike Eagle can carry up to 28 GBU-53/Bs Thx Cap.
Thanks, noted.
F15EX, the F15E can only carry 20, which is still *a lot* but notably less.
Hell yeah this is what is needed to spice it up... 😊
This is probably exactly how the F-35 would be used IRL. It would take on the highest risk part of the mission, take out the biggest threat, and then 4th Gen jets would come in and clean up once the threat was neutralized.
It'll be interesting to see how SAM networks evolve to try to counter this setup.
Hi,interesting video. Btw, are you planning to release your mods?
Links for the F-35, AARGM-ER, Pantsir, and S-400 mods?
Question! Sorry might have missed it but how many AGM-88G made it onto target?
The stupid shit at the end always cracks me up...those two F-16s making out had me rollin'. lol
why were the HARMs fired before the decoys?
You sounds rough Cap - hope you are doing okay
the cuestion is... how to create s-400 site? i see that system but it doesnt have LN. How to create it?
Is there any advantage if the planes/missiles attack from multiple directions? And what is the effect of using anti-missile electronic warfare against the S400? And it seems stealth is only really effective in combat if there are also effective air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles too. Sub-sonic stealth cruise missiles don’t seem to cut it.
Big SAM Boom, Boom, vs little RCS and little boom stick. Let’s see what happens 😮
I would really like to see a SEAD mission against the S-400 incorporating the ADM-160B MALD.
I am overly excited about this. 😂
Petition to rename the AGM-88ER the "HARMIER?" (Pronunced HARM E are)
I prefer that.
Eye opening.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
Hey Cap! Can we get a wargames scenario where a combined Russian and Chinese fleet attempt to attack Naval Station Norfolk in Virginia? This would be an absolutely epic battle with the amount of ships that could be in Norfolk at once! F-35s could take off from Camp Lejeune in North Carolina and F-22 Raptors could take off from Andrews AFB in Maryland.
The only reason I didn’t select Langley AFB in Virginia for the Raptors is because they would probably be shot on takeoff because of proximity.
The manufacturer and Russian MoD claim the S-400 has a range of 275 km against a 1m^2 target like a lightly loaded Rafale or F-18. If we use the radar equation that means the 91N6E search radar has a range of 27 km against a -40dbsm target like the F-35 or F-22.
Thanks Vince. Interesting.
Probably more like 2,7 km. When the operator can see it and draw a dot on the radar screen
safe and professional landing
you left out the medium range SAMs, the Buks and TORs....
Pantsirs will already perform much better than those, anyway, due to their more modern technology.
So, MI6 wrote this code, or Lockheed Martin?
Were those TALDs used for decoys?
Well other than some overconfidence of the pilots, that was very successful.
VFA-137 Bulls, they were at NAS Cecil Field until it closed. I've known them since they were flying A-7Es as VA-87. Stupid BRAC! Cecil should still be a base but the Admiral at NAS Jacksonville liked his view of the Saint Johns River.
Two jets, one runway 👉👈
What's the reason you don't make these additions public? Licences?
Good job guys!....good kills.....end of 1985 they came out Cap.
Wow that's a long time ago :)
CAP I would love to known more about you and what you have been through with the disease
can you use this against ships?
I understand there are system limitations, but the odds of finding thr S400 out in the open with multiple radars is unlikely. There would also likely be SA-22'S intermixed with them. Excellent work as always though, can't imagine how long it takes you guys to program these
Haha you so butt hurt you simp
We need F22 vs spy balloon!
Do you guys have any plans to do the iris t slm or other european navies than the royal navy in the future?
Yup, starting next week :)
@@grimreapers 👍
It’s no surprise really, every feature and ability these “Wonder weapons” have is usually overstated. Obviously just a simulator, and not real life. But based on reported and known performance of Russia’s integrated air defence during this conflict, it seems it doesn’t live up to the hype that’s been produced online. SAM vs aircraft debate continues…
For one, the Russian Navy's battle cruiser Moskva wasn't able to intercept or defend itself against Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missile (flying at only sub-sonic speed) which caused the warship to sink eventually. The Moskva was equipped with S-300 SAM system & some CIWS, but such air defense & anti-missile system couldn't stop the slow flying Neptune anti-ship missile from hitting the Moskva which was the Russian Navy's flagship in the Black Sea. Also, the Ukrainians were able to attack & caused some destruction on Russian air bases (at the heart of mother Russia) using 1980's model drones flying at sub-sonic speed. these Russian air bases are supposedly defended by S-300/400 systems, Pantsir, Tor M-1, etc. This goes to show that such sophisticated SAM systems are vulnerable to attack by even not so advanced weapon systems.
@@jamclancy9335 Если ты нихуя не знаешь зачем писать хуйню.БПЛА стриж пролетел 1000км по странам НАТО и упал когда кончилось топливо
And we keep building systems to overmatch what the Russians claim to have...
@@jamclancy9335 Have you seen the readiness report for Moskova?
These were some of its issues
1. Missile illuminators failed to consistently track targets.
2. Unspecified issues with folire control radars for Osa air defense missiles.
3. Fault electro-optical sensors for CIWS.
4. Air search radar incompatible with SATCOM.
The thing shouldn't have been out at sea in the first place, and those are only fire control issues. There were a host of other problems as well.
@@voidtempering8700 Ah ok noted. This makes me wonder & ask, just how many weapon systems in the Russian arsenal who have these similar problems? I wonder just how serviceable really is the bulk of rusiian S-300/400, Buk, Pantsir, Tor-M1 in current service? How on God's green earth have those subsonic Ukrainian drones were able to hit Russian air bases right at the heart of Russian territory when those air bases are protected by S-300/400, Pantsir, Tor-M1? Then lately, a suspected Belarusian drone attacked a Russian air force AWACS plane in an air base in Belarus. Are these air defense systems of these air bases in Russia & Belarus having similar defects or reliability issues just as the air defense system of the battle cruiser Moskova had?
Wait...did a GR mission go 100% according to plan? I call shenanigans.
The current parameters create standoff. Either you need to lower the radar detection cross section to visual renge,, create a Wld Weasel attack on one element or have abusive ECM disorientation of the SAM electronics.
DCS is rivalling Jane's Fighters Anthology for the sheer number of flyables. I just wish each module wasn't so pricey. They're worth every penny, I just don't have any pennies.
Also, I think ALL DCS weapons work better than they would IRL
Noob here... Does DCS have the S-400? Or is it a mod?
Russia has Rezonans N 1M wavelength phased array radar stations on it's territory specifically designed for stealth aircraft, low observibility and hypersonics. Stealth would be picked up far before S400 would find them, but it can be fed targeting information
Проблема мода SAM-Pack что какую нибудь минимальную RCS ты не прописал SAM они не стреляют по самолетам.Что довольно странно
I'd love to see a combination attack with these and JASSM and or LRASM
Well, it is important that the SEAD strike be done using the least amount of modern weapons possible, as they will be at a premium in a large scale conflict.
Something that I have always thought of, is how accurate these simulations are.
One thing is that they are built to replicate the known values/features/specifications of the equipment mixed in with experts opinions, but how accurate is the info available?
If a country creates a new weapon, let's say a stealthy cruise missile or a new plane, why would they give the actual specifications and features for this weapond? Of course they won't, and all the "experts" make their predictions. What I think is that if a country creates a superior weapon, they will keep the level of information to a minimum to not show their hand, but enough to make the enemy think twice too attack.
On the other hand, if you create a weapon that is inferior to the enemy's similar system, you might over exaggerate the efficiency and technical features of this weapon just to scare off the opposite side.
This I think goes both ways, but it will be interesting to see how the "old" generation of NATO equipment will stand against the Russians in Ukraine.
Although I would prefer that it never was needed, and all could live in peace with each other. But it seems like WW3 is getting closer and closer day by day, month by month.
Well it also depends on how open your military is when it comes to oversight by civilian governments. The US capabilities are much more in line with what they state because we have to justify the expense to Congress. They have to actually do tests with simulated exercises. Of course these are not perfect, but they are much more than the Russians who have so much military corruption in procurement it isn't even funny. While the US overall military budget could be considered incredibly bloated and designed to make the arms industry a bunch of money, that same bloated budget serves to force individual systems to prove their effectiveness because every congressmen seems to have their pet project that they would rather have in development instead of whatever system is being created.
When it comes to hardware, the capability isn't really that important to keep secrete. Rather it the 'special sauce' that makes it works is the really important bit. You can't break physics, so if you have a new ship, say a sub, knowing roughly the size, output of the power plant, and the maths that have been around for the past 100 odd years, you can rough out max speed and performance inside 5 minutes with napkin math. Likewise, its probably not too hard to work out how much noise a power plant will be putting out. All of that is stuff that ends up in milsims easily enough. The really important bit that you don't want getting out is exactly how your new gen anechoic tile foam is made. Of course your using some sort of anechoic tile, Of course the new ones are going to be at least as good as the old ones, and of course you want your subs to be as quiet as possible. That is all the no brainer 'what', not the hush-hush 'how'.
Same thing for aircraft, missiles, stealth, etc. Your highschool level physics is going to get you a reasonable performance window, say within 10% over a weekend. Now give the specs to some interns at your favorite weapons company, and they can work out specs to within 1-2% over lunch. They do that sort of thing every day, more accurate numbers, etc. Your not fooling anyone who has more than a passing interest in the subject. What you don't tell anyone is how you managed to make your new system preform 30% better by just painting it red.
This new stuff is just a guess, the older stuff in DCS, like the first model sidewinders and earlier aircraft are mostly if not totally unclassified so are much more accurate. the newer the equipment, the more guesses are involved in integrating it in game.
CBU105s work great against ground units packed in clusters and the agm88 could have been launched from much closer in a pop up maneuver pilots would approach to the target flying lower closer to the ground and then pop up and fire the missiles. radar operators would have less time to react and the missile would still hit maximum kinetic energy.
I really feel that the S-400 is overpowering here, but it's still a great proof of concept.
Hey Cap! Obviously this can't be modelled in game but I'll ask anyway. Why don't F35 in a SEAD or beast a2a load out drop their actual pylons for the weapons after they are Winchester? This would be a huge advantage being able to carry the extra missiles / ordinance fire all of them and then drop pylons effectively returning to a full stealth configuration and beating any existing missile lock that the enemy would have on them.
Nobody ever clarifies this question in these simulations: how were the targets identified? The S-400s are a highly mobile system that can be dismantled and moved to another location within ten minutes. Which aircraft or platforms detected and identified them?
I watch this channel
Religiously because I’m fascinated by you taking a realistic sim game, modding it to make it even more realistic… and then creating scenarios in controlled environments to come to conclusions.
This being said, I think it would be very interesting to see any one of these scenarios attacked in waves… first by a Russian attack force, then China, then America… or 90s and 2000s or 2020s attacking forces vs controlled defenses. Just a thought
Love what you’re doing I appreciate the hours you put in
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Quite a few vids of manpads taking out cruise missiles DCS needs to sort that.
Now we need a mod that adds the S500 so we can heave a mixed s400/500 battery for extra fun.
S500 more for ICBM interception aren't they?
@@PXDJACKERZZZ They can intercept ICBMs hypersonic cruse missiles and aircraft. The Russians claimed to have hit an unmanned target aircraft at 300miles so they can intercept aircraft. However a their primary purpose is to kill ICBMs and hypersonic cruse missiles/glide vehicles. Basically the stuff that's to fast or to high for s400 to intercept.
Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the reasons DCS sticks to previous gen aircraft is because you have no idea what the real capabilities of these modern tech are. We don't even know what the capabilites of the F-16 really are. So these videos seem very silly....
Nope, no silliness here. 23:19
Yup, game can only be modelled to open source data. That will always be a problem.
The flare shot at 24:00 was SEXY
How much closer could the F-35 get with ECM on? Also should only be 2 AARGM-ER per F-35 internally. You could probably load 6 in total externally and do a ToT saturation.
In real life we aren't sure but very very close. Jamming was incredibly effective and is not well represented in DCS.
In game jammer only affects S-400 at over 120 miles. Almost certainly not accurate.
Simi relevant question for anyone who could answer this.
Now days how stealthy is the f117 is it not at all stealthy or would it be on par with the su57 A’s just low observable.
Ha, Counting Coup against the enemy!!
Now try with SPEAR-3 EW, designed for F35 carriage. A mix of SPEAR-3 conventional and EW payloads would decimate an S400 site.
F-16 pilots use all the runway, F-18 pilots use all the landing gear...
This weasel is about to get wild :D
Instead of iron bombs, how about using cluster bombs?
Well done everyone. It looks like you may have cracked the S-400. The trick was incorporating modern stealth aircraft.
The problem is, the F-35 will be detected on search radars, but not tracking radar, so they will know what it is. And we can't give the F-35 to Ukraine. Therefore, stage 2 of this operation is Russian hypersonic tactical nuclear strikes on the air fields/carrier(s) the F-35s came from. So what is our defense for that, and then what's our next move?
This is why LTC Kinzinger is wrong about being able to "defeat Russia in 3 days". We have to think these things all the way through, before they happen, rather than as they are unfolding, as our current leaders seem to prefer.
The F35s surely wouldn't have been able to get so close without being detected , (albeit without being able to be locked)?
You still sounding a bit croaky Capt! get well soon.
Try the buk m2 and m3 as russian Sam's
use the F35A with MALD J (air decoys), jamming from f35, Glide bombs, AARGM ER , aim 120D...
the AARGM ER has GPS/ INS, millimetre wave ( counter shut down), radar homing on specific radars
glide bombs like SBD and JDAM ER can go a long way and F35 can get close.
ohh GBU 53 storm breaker... honestly f35 is so powerful a lot have no clue, not to mention its sensor fusion and data gathering
do joint ops with naval strike, drones, himars as well..
Reenact the hyops sead mission against the s400
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Is it me or for big naval battles, DCS needs some new "features"... like jets taking off way faster than they are normally... there could be an "urgent plane launch in combat condition" or something as an option so planes act like stuff about to hit the fan.
The other feature would be, ships/planes communicating when they launch dozens/hundreds of missiles at once... to not target all the same few targets and once they are destroyed, the missiles just go somewhere random and explode... like 5 ships with 200 missiles face 150 enemies boats... and those 200 missiles are launched at like 30 targets instead of those 150 because they communicate... like they would in real life.
If they did those two options, which would probably be "easy" to code, battles would be much more realistic... no?
Gotta have the hornets😂❤
Cap try high altitude jdams on pansir
This was so based
SOOO... love watching these videos and considering all the questions the outcomes inevitably raise. I'd REALLY like to see a real analysis of how the S400 performs IRL compared to their "paper" performance (which is how it's modelled in sims like DCS). IMO the current poor performance of Russian "high tech" armaments like the S400 is a combination of Russia overselling their capabilities and poor Russian tactics & strategy making the actual application of those assets relatively ineffectual, the billion dollar question is - how much is one and how much the other? I bet there are a lot of smart Western strategists trying to answer this question... would be super interesting if someone had a real life engagement modelled in DCS so it could be run to compare expected performance to actual then maybe tweak some platform parameters until the model matches performance.
I'd add one more potential cause of poor performance... the high cost (and replacement difficulties) of those armaments are making Russia hesitant to use them... that may be the biggest reason they're not doing well. There was a great description of the "effectiveness of the Himars" that attributed a good chunk of it's stellar impact in Ukraine to the fact that they LOOK (trajectory, speed, etc...) like much cheaper and less accurate weapons so the Russians have a hard time telling when they're being employed until it's too late (because of how much $$$ munitions that can take out Himars cost)
@@kuhndj67 We have also never seen an S400 take out a HIMARS rocket, as far as I am aware. They don't seem to have the software to properly track and target them. Hilariously, the way to do OTA updates to the S400 was via Ukrainian tech that the it has been reported the Russians no longer have. So to update them they have to physically connect a computer running ancient software to them.
You'd need to get some proper data out of Russia, I doubt this would ever be made available.
The best weapon against S-400...
It has to be a subsonic, small warhead cruise missile flying very low, and in large numbers.
And patsir tor will be shooting this subsonix
POTM Has to go to all the "Hawaiian's" on landing...when in Rome...Bird get a room 🤣⛳
I wish I could provide evidence of how poorly the S-400 system actually works at detecting F-35s from the frontal aspect, but doing that would get someone in trouble and this isn't the war thunder forums anyway.
Yeah the stories of the war thunder forums sound like a bad movie, where classified documents are leaked to game company to improve realism. The fact that it is real life is just sad.
It'll probably all be guess work until a real S-400 really tries to track an F-35?
Ну и где факты?
Just out of curiosity, could we attack SAM sites with drones designed to appear to their radar algorithms like migratory birds? Aren't there speed and altitude thresholds below which objects aren't classified as a threat? Look how far some silly balloons got into the US, after all. If you wanted to be absurd, you could put a laser designator and a guided bomb on a balloon and float it 40,000 feet above a SAM site. Call it "Operation: Maxwell House--Good to the Last Drop."
g'dammit guys i have 2 hours of me time and im drawn into another proof of concept video...thanks but i may have to abstain this week or ill never get my GR wings
The F-35s did an excellent job on the SEAD as expected.
I would've loaded the Hornets tasked with hitting the building with 2,000-pound JDAMs. Those things erase structures.
Good to see these Russian defenses finally get taken down. I guess we should be glad Kortana didn’t design the net. It’d be nice to get her involved in more of these if it were possible.