Watch Expert EXPOSES Fake Watches In Subscribers' Collections!

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  • @shaunjose7752
    @shaunjose7752 4 місяці тому +842

    Editor went crazy with this one 💀💀

    • @Vikanuck
      @Vikanuck 4 місяці тому +11

      Christ you aren’t kidding I feel like I’m gonna have a seizure from all the flashing images transitions 😄

    • @baronswagger
      @baronswagger 4 місяці тому +2

      It’s like watching the f’in Nico Ultimatum

    • @generalkenobi323
      @generalkenobi323 4 місяці тому +2

      I feel like more than half of the editing was bleeping out Nico's swearing

    • @yorusuyasoul69420
      @yorusuyasoul69420 4 місяці тому +7

      Aah ❤

    • @KLlamaT
      @KLlamaT 4 місяці тому +1

      Frfr

  • @Boyahda
    @Boyahda 4 місяці тому +495

    Nico fucking chose violence today.

    • @mblulz
      @mblulz 4 місяці тому

      fuck man, after his break, I'm here for it xD

    • @generaltheory
      @generaltheory 3 місяці тому +1

      It can't be called violence when it's EMPEROR'S JUSTICE

    • @aidarsharafullin6900
      @aidarsharafullin6900 3 місяці тому

      Have you heard what he said about Rado. Rado is the perfect brand, if one existed, dude is tripping balls

    • @valebliz
      @valebliz 2 місяці тому

      He’s a fucking boor what can you expect lol

  • @toni8003
    @toni8003 4 місяці тому +230

    My humor may be broken but give this editor a raise!

  • @Steve_Jaz
    @Steve_Jaz 4 місяці тому +366

    my wife keeps asking me what all the moaning sounds are... thanks

    • @mortenlothe6893
      @mortenlothe6893 4 місяці тому +8

      Lol gotta show her what it is;) or else she will think you slipped up watching por. ! ;) + Nico's not helping either;),)

    • @GCKteamKrispy
      @GCKteamKrispy 4 місяці тому +5

      Say you watch corn, easier to explain😂

    • @yorusuyasoul69420
      @yorusuyasoul69420 4 місяці тому +5

      Aah ❤❤

    • @Capt.Freedomfry
      @Capt.Freedomfry 4 місяці тому +1

      It’s Jake from State Farm 😂

    • @generaltheory
      @generaltheory 3 місяці тому +4

      Just men comparing their wrist moves to this

  • @benbaggen2375
    @benbaggen2375 4 місяці тому +138

    Fake people, fake watches.....sums up your sub reddit perfectly 😂

  • @sebastianblancoramos7867
    @sebastianblancoramos7867 3 місяці тому +2048

    watches from primerolexio are best

    • @generaltheory
      @generaltheory 3 місяці тому

      2K likes here, and they still call this Gogle corporation legit. WORSE THAN FAKE.

    • @generaltheory
      @generaltheory 3 місяці тому +8

      TWO 2K comments with this. @Google wtf r u doing in your FAKE CORP

  • @xavierrodriguez1123
    @xavierrodriguez1123 3 місяці тому +2057

    primerolexio is best shopp

  • @nafdani
    @nafdani 4 місяці тому +59

    That Seiko 5 Sport GMT is a bit more than a 150. It's more like 450€ :) Still a nice budget watch to start a collection though.

    • @newjackfanpage
      @newjackfanpage 3 місяці тому +2

      90% sure he thought it was an 5kx (used price about is about his guess) by accident he has mistakenly glanced over a few affordable watches in the past. He focuses on luxury so it's understandable, no matter how much seiko and casio love there is their are experts on UA-cam in just issues of watches like the Square, 6105 (Willard) or 62mas.

    • @bnobplayz4837
      @bnobplayz4837 2 місяці тому

      @@newjackfanpagethat watch is about 1000 aud the gmt

    • @newjackfanpage
      @newjackfanpage 2 місяці тому

      @@bnobplayz4837 yes i know but i said i think he mistook it for a 5kx

    • @bnobplayz4837
      @bnobplayz4837 2 місяці тому

      @@newjackfanpage ahhhh yesss

  • @JakeSpence-dr6fh
    @JakeSpence-dr6fh 4 місяці тому +106

    Felt like a lifetime waiting for this video😂

    • @llbabyk
      @llbabyk 4 місяці тому +6

      a video in general😭

  • @BarryDalton
    @BarryDalton 10 днів тому +1

    Good on you Nico for call out the real reason why fakes are wrong...criminal....actually criminal

  • @IdkWhatToWear
    @IdkWhatToWear 4 місяці тому +51

    Wait til Nico finds out his iPhone was made in a sweatshop..

    • @BawdyBadger
      @BawdyBadger 4 місяці тому +12

      With suicide nets around the building because too many people jumped off the roof to kill themselves.

    • @bananowyjestemsobie
      @bananowyjestemsobie 3 місяці тому +2

      Name an affordable smartphone not made in a sweatshop then. Just because some everyday necessities leave us no choice, doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't make the right choices where possible.

    • @BawdyBadger
      @BawdyBadger 3 місяці тому +1

      @@bananowyjestemsobie as far as I know all the major ones are made in sweatshops.
      A lot of our clothes are made in sweatshops, shoes too.
      Making a choice is important, but it is important to know that because of capitalism and pushing profits almost everything is made with sweatshops and as low a labour coat as possible.

    • @tysmith9309
      @tysmith9309 3 місяці тому

      @@BawdyBadger Librem 4, but Nokia actually scores an ethical score on goodshoppingguide

    • @g43654
      @g43654 3 місяці тому +3

      If you don't want to support sweatshops, but you need a phone? Buy used phones. Your money stays local, and you help reduce waste.

  • @JoseMendez-lm8it
    @JoseMendez-lm8it 4 місяці тому +45

    That Rado that Nico eviscerated is one watch my dad left me (except in yellow gold). I agree it's a strange design for modern watches, but I absolutely love it because of what it means to me. Bracelet is exceptionally comfortable btw. Gave me a great laugh hearing you crush it, Nico. Cheers!

    • @rapsodicreaper
      @rapsodicreaper 3 місяці тому +3

      It's so popular in my region in the 90's

    • @DaemonViews
      @DaemonViews 3 місяці тому +3

      Yeah I don't agree his rant on it. It's not my style but it's a cool watch. Scratch resistant af.

    • @Olddirtytiger
      @Olddirtytiger 3 місяці тому +4

      Fuck what he thinks it's part of your story

    • @jaynexus1639
      @jaynexus1639 3 місяці тому +6

      Rado is a good brand. Nico simps for Richard Mille which offer some of the most hideous overpriced watches on the market. I would take what he says with a grain of salt.

    • @KhushwinderSingh-kx2jd
      @KhushwinderSingh-kx2jd 3 місяці тому +1

      Different watches are important for different people, their value matters more than their price
      Feel me?

  • @healthwealth89
    @healthwealth89 3 місяці тому +8

    The gavel sound effects killed me lmao great edit🤣

  • @TYPH302
    @TYPH302 4 місяці тому +17

    You know it's a good day when Nico uploads 🎉

  • @conetimeboys
    @conetimeboys 3 місяці тому +8

    That Seiko is gangster for a first watch

  • @CHAPPELLE.SHOW_CLIPS
    @CHAPPELLE.SHOW_CLIPS 27 днів тому +1

    Nico's editor needs a raise 😂😂🔥

  • @filipjugovic6952
    @filipjugovic6952 4 місяці тому +3

    He said the word fu** more often in 9 min video, then AL Pacino did in the entire scarface movie😂

  • @Cody___
    @Cody___ 4 місяці тому +29

    I hate fake watches. Like bruh just use that money and pay the same amount for a watch with actual identity and history like a G-Shock, an Orient, or a Seiko.

    • @kabo123
      @kabo123 4 місяці тому +8

      I don't think people that buy fake Rolexes are the people that actually take their time to do research. It's more of a status symbol to them. I don't know who said it but if you see someone wearing a Rolex you are more likely to ask if it is real compared to someone wearing a Tudor/Omega for example

    • @Injustify123
      @Injustify123 4 місяці тому +17

      I like replica watches. A well made one will show you how silly the high end watch industry is. If a replica can be made with the same movement and materials for 1/20th of the cost then maybe there is a problem with genuine watches. Also I like the content on this channel, I just think he’s pretty biased against them. Since you know, he makes a living off selling people watches.

    • @fontyyy
      @fontyyy 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@kabo123what about those buying fake APs, fake Patek's, fake Omega's, fake Tudor's or fake Longines?
      What about the guys trading fakes with some gen parts, sometimes for $10,000+ in full knowledge they aren't gen.
      What about those using custom cases, aged dials, hand made movements and the like in an effort to recreate watches that are either unobtainable or insane money?

    • @chelseasmileNW
      @chelseasmileNW 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@fontyyy they don't understand.. I know a bunch of people that have fake and genuine watches (including myself) that love watches more than the average guy that just buys genuine watches because he/she/is can.
      Before I got in the scene I was able to wind a watch and set the time. Now about 3 years later I can already service some movement myself and know a ton about my favorite brands. And guess what... it didn't harm the brand as I'm still buying genuine watches ;)
      The people he is referring are the ones that buy cheap AAA shitters and brag about it.

    • @based_space215
      @based_space215 2 місяці тому

      ​@@Injustify123they're going to charge the same as if was the original dude 🤦
      Those materials are rare and expensive,
      you're never going to find something cheaper with the same level of quality materials
      🤷‍♂️

  • @jamesluscombe1234
    @jamesluscombe1234 4 місяці тому +3

    'Rich mans Omega' ... this one hurt me 😂

    • @TJ-eo2qf
      @TJ-eo2qf 2 місяці тому +1

      Even when Omegas are more expensive 😂

  • @newma5348
    @newma5348 4 місяці тому +9

    Funny how this guys complains about Omega, talks shit about Hublot and Panerai but still chills for "IFL Watches", which sell overpriced badly and poorly customized dials for double the price and call them "limited editions". Piss off

  • @Ghost011
    @Ghost011 4 місяці тому +7

    The fuckin editors man 😂😂😂

  • @mr.betterday7602
    @mr.betterday7602 4 місяці тому +26

    I actually like to see nico sharing his wisdom and talking about how he spots fake watches

    • @fontyyy
      @fontyyy 4 місяці тому +8

      He can't, no one can spot a decent fake from a photo or even on the wrist.

    • @mr.betterday7602
      @mr.betterday7602 3 місяці тому

      @@fontyyy you're absolutely right, what I meant was to for example show the original and fake watches and talk about what to look for when you're just holding a watch

    • @clintwestwood3539
      @clintwestwood3539 Місяць тому +2

      He can’t spot fakes.
      He can spot really bad cheap fakes. Decently or well made replicas provably passed through his hands and that’s why he’s so butthurt. It’s not uncommon.

    • @fontyyy
      @fontyyy Місяць тому

      Yeah, bad fakes are easily spotted, wrong shape crown guards etc.
      But Google "massive review of vsf 126610lv" (in quotes, just like that) and have a look at that, you ain't busting that without a gen and a loop.

  • @TechBaffle
    @TechBaffle 4 місяці тому +2

    Idk why the sound effects from the hammer get me EVERYTIME 😂😂

  • @AtillatheFun
    @AtillatheFun 3 місяці тому +13

    Nico: I hate Citizen
    IFL: We want to sell our Citizen watch
    Nico:BUY THIS CITIZEN!

  • @vincentwitjes5106
    @vincentwitjes5106 4 місяці тому +4

    you can hear the joy in nicos voice

  • @kevinmiller8985
    @kevinmiller8985 3 місяці тому +1

    Nico, just cussing like a sailor. 😂

  • @warrenb243
    @warrenb243 4 місяці тому +19

    Nico hocking shite watches from IFL is painful

    • @mimesache8998
      @mimesache8998 4 місяці тому

      A fucking tsuyosa for 299 with some painting on the dial and they ask 899 for it, fuck off IFL 😂

  • @njones420
    @njones420 3 місяці тому +1

    8:26 The only one that stands out is the Citizen 8100a Bullhead on the blue/orange strap ... awesome watch (wearing one right now ;))

  • @gerrypickledunnion7386
    @gerrypickledunnion7386 4 місяці тому +1

    Fakeing hell the big man was right royally pissed today....and i Luv it hahaha😅😅😅⌚

  • @IUsedToBeAPygmy
    @IUsedToBeAPygmy 11 днів тому

    It's so funny to see Leonard *almost* realizing he's not the only one posting shit for click-bait 😂

  • @shourov331
    @shourov331 3 місяці тому +1

    Nico went offff today 😂

  • @thefallenangel01
    @thefallenangel01 4 місяці тому +7

    Wait what happened? When did a Lange start getting considered as a german POS?? Those are class watches

    • @michaelgodfrey7860
      @michaelgodfrey7860 3 місяці тому

      Nico always shits on Lange. It’s probably the thing that I disagree with him the most. I did laugh at how he immediately corrected himself and acknowledged that the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater is really nice. That one is in my top 3 favorite watches ever

    • @valebliz
      @valebliz 2 місяці тому

      Listening to an idiot happened.

  • @smitty923
    @smitty923 3 місяці тому +1

    Tudor is a Rich man’s Omega! 😂😂😂😂

  • @dewmounsamlouath5288
    @dewmounsamlouath5288 4 місяці тому +1

    😂I have to put headphones on for this video 😂

  • @ryan_chandler
    @ryan_chandler 3 місяці тому +3

    Tudor has most definitely not surpassed Omega. Not in quality or brand significance. Amazing value tho

  • @touchmyclock
    @touchmyclock 4 місяці тому +1

    Glad to see one of our memes pop up 😂 (although big f'up not watermarking hahahah) - great video Nico keeping going lad 2:05

  • @noondayx2011
    @noondayx2011 3 місяці тому +1

    the new editing style is good lol

  • @rajeshramrattan2078
    @rajeshramrattan2078 4 місяці тому +1

    i honestly did not care about the actual video anymore, i was just waiting to see what the next sound was going to be. lool

  • @charliebad
    @charliebad 2 місяці тому

    Well said at the end, I love my AliX originals! That Rick Ross man, sheesh, needs a word with himself! 😂👊

  • @pjohnson7974
    @pjohnson7974 3 місяці тому

    Great video as always. can't wait to see you at the new DDE HQ / THE BLOCK 😂😂

  • @westonodonohue9171
    @westonodonohue9171 18 днів тому

    Bro cursed more times than a witch 😂

  • @brageloege236
    @brageloege236 4 місяці тому

    Love these videos

  • @yammt3148
    @yammt3148 4 місяці тому

    DAMN! ... I was ready for that "Useless Patek" video. 😅

  • @neostaffde
    @neostaffde 4 місяці тому +6

    The sound effects when hitting his hammer 😂😂😂

  • @eco909
    @eco909 Місяць тому

    "Tudor is not a poor mans Rolex, it is a rich mans Omega." That is a bold statement xD

  • @27jerry27
    @27jerry27 4 місяці тому +8

    Updates on the Ferrari 812 GTS?

    • @TheKopolanpoika
      @TheKopolanpoika 4 місяці тому

      He has own channel for that. Answer was battery, in the end

  • @Harisampath
    @Harisampath 4 місяці тому +5

    Why is A lange and sohne, called a German shit brand. They literally make amazing watches (maybe a little too big)

    • @generaltheory
      @generaltheory 3 місяці тому +1

      Morally outdated. Not fitting the last decade or more. Whom Langes are for? Post-soviet brands are more modern than lazy Germans.

  • @jmoe2060
    @jmoe2060 3 місяці тому +1

    "Everyone has different taste, but no one has this taste." -- Nico

  • @amalshadin
    @amalshadin 3 місяці тому +1

    Nico, We need more fight with Trax.

  • @christiandulaney1638
    @christiandulaney1638 2 місяці тому

    "Me and Dads watch collection" AKA, my Dads watches that he lets me wear once in awhile

  • @deucedaprodeuca
    @deucedaprodeuca 2 місяці тому +1

    Lots of celebrities and rich people wear fake watches and jewelry. They buy a Rolex and get a clone to wear in the clubs, and wear the real thing at special events. Others have the money, need the image, but smart with their money. People will assume it's real, so why not?

    • @Chipsiderec
      @Chipsiderec 2 місяці тому

      So true 🙏🏾🔥💯

  • @brianforrester9670
    @brianforrester9670 4 місяці тому +2

    Yeah, I'm sure they were totally able to get their hands on that many legit Daytonas.

    • @fontyyy
      @fontyyy 2 місяці тому

      You only need money, there are dozens of them brand new on eBay right now.

  • @LexMeinders
    @LexMeinders Місяць тому

    Mooi pak Nico, wel knoop los als je zit 😅👊🏼 leuke video legende

  • @juansanz876
    @juansanz876 4 місяці тому +4

    The Rado ain't that bad( I own a rado)

  • @haromaster6086
    @haromaster6086 Місяць тому

    if you ever saw a CLEAN Rolex I would challenge you to find the real one side by side.

  • @Itsa_PizzaParty
    @Itsa_PizzaParty 4 місяці тому

    “Proper child labor” is crazy 😂

  • @SwogInator123
    @SwogInator123 4 місяці тому +1

    Even if Nico wasn't into watches he would be bloody hilarious regardless 💀

  • @siddhant46s54
    @siddhant46s54 4 місяці тому

    2:33 “Rich man’s Omega “ is a fuckin bar yo, If you know you know😂😂

  • @justinm3641
    @justinm3641 4 місяці тому +1

    I'm not a watch collector, but I'm a fan of casio, I have three casio watches, stored in a very nice, cheap, watch box I got off Amazon 😅

  • @bradypatterson1891
    @bradypatterson1891 Місяць тому

    I still wanna know how Nico feels about fake watches.

  • @TheTejanoJose
    @TheTejanoJose 4 місяці тому +1

    Looks like that Nico needs some education about the Longines Hour Angle Charles Lindberg watch. The 1987 edition has a 38 mm case and the automatic L989.2 caliber. The one in the video is probably one from this edition. I have the same model but with the bracelet.

  • @herewegoagain...
    @herewegoagain... 3 місяці тому

    I really enjoyed that tirade, thank you.

  • @CJ_Nightlives
    @CJ_Nightlives 4 місяці тому

    9 mins of bleeps…it’s what I’m here for 😂

  • @jamescollier3008
    @jamescollier3008 3 місяці тому

    Do a casio watch tier list please. Love the content btw

  • @imnotarobot8320
    @imnotarobot8320 3 місяці тому +1

    08:48 what is blud yapping about ☠☠

  • @gavinluckyfq3609
    @gavinluckyfq3609 4 місяці тому

    😂😂 that was fu#king brilliant 👏

  • @allackballack
    @allackballack 4 місяці тому

    this man keeps pushing tudor over omega like he has tudor tattood on his lower back lmaooo never change man

  • @-Jake
    @-Jake 4 місяці тому

    This edit man.... It'd be nice to be able to watch this without needing headphones. I don't have mine on me so I can't even watch this rn smh

  • @reesebroekhoven3962
    @reesebroekhoven3962 4 місяці тому +2

    Nico and other rolex people: this is my favorite Daytona
    Nico and other rolex people BEFORE the Paul Newman Daytona sold at auction for over $17mil: ohhh the Daytona that watch is crap you wouldn't catch me dead wearing that

  • @franciscobriseno2580
    @franciscobriseno2580 3 місяці тому

    Just watching the trax boxing match…. Damn Nico you gave that ring a serious waddling!!

  • @user-qv2pi7hk5c
    @user-qv2pi7hk5c 3 місяці тому

    If I ever want to buy a watch I’d come to this mouthy expert . He’s mouthy as he knows he’s the best !

  • @lanslarrazabaldemartinez6829
    @lanslarrazabaldemartinez6829 4 місяці тому +5

    When can we do Korean Drama Actors' watches?
    They've got really high-caliber pieces.
    I'd love for Nico to struggle with pronouncing foreign Asian names 🤣

  • @easyerc2226
    @easyerc2226 4 місяці тому +3

    99% of people only buy these watches to show off, im happy with my casio mud master :)

  • @jaydenimpton6798
    @jaydenimpton6798 10 днів тому

    I have a seiko mod and yes it looks like a Rolex. No I don’t care. Gave me a laugh when he got mad at it. It’s a proper seiko movement, nothing Rolex except the crown and bracelet. Loved it

  • @callumcant550
    @callumcant550 3 місяці тому

    Nico doesn’t understand the beauty in MOD watches

  • @alanquezada7435
    @alanquezada7435 4 місяці тому +2

    What do y'all think is better, buying a Seiko watch, which is clearly a rip-off of a Rolex, or buying a fake Rolex for the same price?

  • @weltenbummler_weidling
    @weltenbummler_weidling 4 місяці тому

    Do you check sometimes your blood pressure? 🤣

  • @lezafriq419
    @lezafriq419 3 місяці тому

    Yo Nico, you should do a reaction video of Mob bosses and/or famous crime lords watches from the past till now. That would be dope.

  • @TechBaffle
    @TechBaffle 4 місяці тому +1

    Question is, is a fake HUBLOT better than a real HUBLOT?

  • @garethgregg3476
    @garethgregg3476 4 місяці тому +1

    Bit of a shame for the guys with an impressive collection of genuine Rolex to be the thumbnail saying half the box is fake! There was no mention of the actual watches being fake in the video. Taking too many clickbait lessons from DDE.

  • @ProjectSerpo90
    @ProjectSerpo90 4 місяці тому

    0:13 it’s called the Gavel lol

  • @GamesCooky
    @GamesCooky 3 місяці тому

    That was a really nice Hublot there at the end though.

  • @badllama8090
    @badllama8090 Місяць тому

    it's ALL game, a game of 'one-upmanship'!

  • @maxhedendahl5262
    @maxhedendahl5262 4 місяці тому

    Me and dads watch collection😂 so dads watch collection that he lets you use😂

  • @bigmex8794
    @bigmex8794 3 місяці тому

    2:10 as a Tudor owner and an omega owner I can confirm this is accurate. It is facts Nico. 😂

  • @mistermilgauss
    @mistermilgauss 4 місяці тому +1

    Loved it ❤

  • @Reyone13
    @Reyone13 3 місяці тому

    Kind of ironic NICO calling other people scumbags to be honest. Lol

  • @lspbn513
    @lspbn513 3 місяці тому

    someone gotta tell this guy not everyone has 5K for a watch lol

  • @2wheeloperator185
    @2wheeloperator185 4 місяці тому

    That hammer is called a gavel lol

  • @SamReviews12
    @SamReviews12 3 місяці тому +1

    i wanna know his opinion on NaviForce next .

  • @user-co7ze1do4g
    @user-co7ze1do4g 3 місяці тому

    I have never been disappointed since I became a customer of gussl. Their timepieces are of exceptional quality.

  • @e4unow421
    @e4unow421 3 місяці тому

    This Dutch guy is a legend.😊

  • @ickyconcrete5370
    @ickyconcrete5370 4 місяці тому

    Today I learnt I have a cat named the same as Nico's parents one.

  • @raymondrae9605
    @raymondrae9605 4 місяці тому

    UPLOAD MORE!!!

  • @Malazar12
    @Malazar12 4 місяці тому

    The price of a 79 Lincoln is gonna skyrocket. Lol

  • @oguzhanakdogan9787
    @oguzhanakdogan9787 3 місяці тому

    Can you guys make a video on watch modding and Nico's opinions on modded Seiko's?

    • @fontyyy
      @fontyyy Місяць тому

      A modded Seiko, isn't that like a modded Vauxhall?
      IMHO if it's modded to look like something, it just means you don't have the the money to wear the gen or the balls to wear a fake and either admit it's fake, or risk being called out.

    • @oguzhanakdogan9787
      @oguzhanakdogan9787 Місяць тому

      @@fontyyy There are lots of 'modded seikos' that are unique pieces. For example: Seiko Samurai Bloodmoon

  • @Achiriririri
    @Achiriririri 4 місяці тому

    I can’t describe how much is bothers me that nico slammed that Hammer the wrong way around 😭

  • @lukeheath63
    @lukeheath63 4 місяці тому

    Thought on the new tag golf f1 coronagraph

  • @JuiceBlack
    @JuiceBlack 3 місяці тому

    Well... That escalated quickly

  • @UBtt
    @UBtt 3 місяці тому

    Bro we need that grand complications ref no. 6002 and celestial vid