Hi Andy, I just got my ESS Victron system up and running, ive been busy with it for weeks. Today was the last piece of the puzzle... seeing if the battery ( soon to be battery's ) is charging when the sun hits the PV panels, and it did ! So thank you for all your effort, information and details that I had a bit of a direction to work with. It made it all the better to understand. Sadly the last 2weeks are horrible regarding sunshine, and this week is not going to be any better here in The Netherlands. The ground is fully absorbed with water, emergency waterpumps are being installed all over the country, it's what we call Pumping or Drowning !
I changed the settings for when my 4 JK BMS's start to 3.45 and what a difference it has made in last week. All my cells are staying closer to each other now. .005-.008 when I hit 3.4 per cell. It used to be .010-.040 SO i do agree with you and thank you for showing me why. Love ya Andy like a brother. You have made me understand why many times and saved me a lot of testing etc..
I'm wondering, did the low 3.531v cells reach 3.600 or higher before the bms ovp stopped the charge input or does that little bit more absorption not matter ?
My two Gobelpower PC200 DIY Batteries with 5A active balancer, which I have ordered at 26th August, have arrived this week. They have been placed in front of my shed while I was on a business trip. I have taken them into the shed today and opened one box and took the battery out, cells are all about 3,23V which looks good. 😊 So I currently don't need any more batteries but I will check if I got the EVE cells or the REPT cells like the current Basic batteries. 😉 The Basic seems to be the replacement for the GP-DIY-KIT I got. The name DIY was not really fitting, because the battery is completly assembled, so Basic fits better. I think I will just add a switch to the 5A active balancer to make it switchable. Maybe I will use such a mentioned voltage detection controller, but I think it is not necessary. Manually switching on the balancer only if necessary should do the job.
Yeah, the 'Basic' name is now much better than calling it DIY as before. I would have ordered the Basic version as well. Considering the active balancer it has, there is no problem with any of the cells. You still have to take out the metal mounting plate for the BMS to get to the balancer and solder the two wires on the run pads. It's very tight space. You can upgrade to an A30 at any time then.
Good morning dear friend, Let me first congratulate you on the quality of your recordings. You are truly a highly qualified teacher, which is not insignificant. I would not like to abuse your time which I believe is very valuable. but if it were possible, I would just like a little clarification on a project that is close to my heart. I am in the process of equipping my motorhome with two 12V-280Amp LiFePo4 battery modules. I still don't know to this day if I should put the model: Active Equalizer, Lifepo4 4s Group Balancer Or: NEEY Smart Active Balancer 4TH 4A BMS, 4S Lifepo4 Battery. I would be really happy to have a response from you. your videos are wonderful. Best regards to you. Dominic
G'Day Dominic. Thanks for your very kind feedback and question. Do you need an active balancer at all? I would fully charge the batteries you have and watch the voltage delta across all 4 cells. Once you charge to 13.8V you will see them start spreading. Slowly increase charging voltage and watch the cell voltages. If you can charge to 14.2V without one cell going over 3.65V, you battery is probably fine and does not need an active balancer. It depends what BMS you have installed and if it is enough to balance your pack. The NEEY is not able to run from a 12V battery and needs a separate power supply, a step-up voltage converter. It needs at least 28V to work reliably.
Nice work on the 3D printing, its so satisfying when your first prints comes out and everything fits. Did you use PLA or PETG? I print everything in PETG now.
Yeah, it was really nice. I should have done a little drawing first to get the measurement rights. I just smeared all numbers on a piece of paper. Luckily it all worked out. I use the PLA which came with the printer... Not sure about anything else. I'm a 3D virgin 😉
@@OffGridGarageAustralia 3D printer is amazing thing. My congratulations on the purchase! BTW, you could print seplos to JK adapter to fit it into mason case. I currently working on these parts=) bms brackets already done)
Hi Andy, just an idea like that. Maybe build a buggy to have all your batteries standing up easier to take one out with crane, just pull one up and there you go ! Cheers mate !
This is just a temporary setup until the 'Power Garage' has been built/upgraded. Bigger castors will definitely help a lot for this specific tower. It's heavy as... None of these batteries is in production at the moment anyway. All for testing purposes on a temporary base.
I got lucky, and was mining Bitcoin when you could do it on a single core processor laptop, at the beginning, I bought many Bitcoins for ten dollars a piece. Then built mining rigs, as that became required..I had 28 mining rigs in this garage I rented, in which electricity was included, It was a 600 amp service, and I pushed that to the limit, and the owner never said a word in 6 years, although he did own over 100 properties, residential and commercial, and the bills were probably paid automatically...When the price hit $52,000 I sold most of it, and sent that guy a check for $20,000, because I used much more electricity than I paid for rent, and slid under the radar some how...
Thanks for sharing. You are a very generous person paying for the power after you made a good profit. Times have changed a lot now and mining is a lot more difficult. And louder 🔊
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I rented that garage to store my equipment, and as an office, for my employees, I had 3 scissor lifts, 2 backhoes, 2 JLG lifts, fork truck, a dump truck, a couple huge trailers, A giant generator, 2 diesel pick up trucks, ladders, scaffolding, and a whole lot of tools..And then I got some welding contracts..There was a giant office area above all the garage bays, which gave me the idea to mine Bitcoin, because of the space and extreme electrical capacity, I had many air conditioners running, 3 guys welding full time, and all those mining rigs running..And a whole bunch of other stuff going on there..That building sat there empty and for rent for several years..I think Ed was happy that someone was keeping an eye on it, and providing a few dollars, it was in the middle of nowhere..I was in business with the owner doing real estate deals, buying old commercial buildings, gutting them, and doing build outs for the new tenants..As well as apartment buildings, buying and remodeling..All of that, were side hustles for me, I had a normal 40 hour a week job, didn't have to be there 40 hours a week though, depending..
Hi Andy, is there another video coming about the Gobel Battery ? Or is this the final one in the playlist ? I'm about to pull the trigger on a few of them ;)
What else do you want me to show? I think it's a very good battery and quality, comes with the NEEY as standard. If you have any questions before you pull the trigger, let me know. There is still a 15% code on my website until end of November! off-grid-garage.com/li-ion-batteries/
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Maybe a quick ‘How to’ video with setup guide from ‘out of the box’ to fully operational with a Cerbo & Multiplus/Quattro …. An all in one guide with basic config settings . A quick all in one guide would be awesome 😎💪🏽👍🏼 Love ur work Andy. I just ordered two(2) units 😎Thanks mate 🙏🏼
Hi Andy, I'd like to ask you for a topic that is hardly covered. I have an APC 3000VA uninterruptible power supply. It uses 8 12V sealed lead-acic batteries grouped in 4 parallel pairs to complete a 48V total, I'm experimenting feeding it with 16 LiFePo CATL 280Ah batteries managed using a Daly BMS. The idea is to use it for backing up for my home computer, monitor, switch and router as well as a few LED lights. The problem I found is that as opposed of what happens with the lead batteries, half of the time the ups shuts itself down when mains power gets cut. Also the battery level indicator (a 6 led bar) only shows 1 led as if the battery was almost discharged while the measured voltage out of the batteries is about 54V. Have you ever use a UPS in this manner?
Hallo du frühlings hafter Australier, habe eine Frage aus dem kalten Austria. Du hast mich mit deinen Videos überzeugt das der Neeeeeey sehr gut ist - aber wie erkenne ich beim Online Kauf das es sich um die 4 te Generation handelt ? LG Marcus
6.30 am, watching this video, no input yet, kettle's boiled, coffee has been made. Using your settings from previous videos, Seplos BMS, Neeeeey balancer, battery at 52.5V and 0.003mv deviation. I could not be happier Andy, Thank you.
I seriously want this battery. Great price compared to others I've seen on AliExpress but still a bit much for me and i don't have any inverter over 12v. Some day soon i might order
A bit off topic, but I'm lost in space of these 4790 nice offgrid videos: what kind of cables I need for new JK BMS to connect a) bms to cerbo b) another new jk bms to another new jk-bms c) new jk bms to PC? Thanks guys for your assistance
a) you need the Victron Type A cable for that or make your own. b) they connect with LAN cable from RS485 to RS485 port. c) You need a USB to RS485 adapter with RJ485 port and a LAN cable to connect to the battery
I was in the app, not sure if it does notifications while in the app? But no, no notification. I’ll mess with the notifications again and see if I can jar it loose.
Sure, you can have as many balancers as you like working on one battery. The balancer in the BMS is very small (70mA or so) and won't make a big difference...
I have to wonder with all that high tech battery technology you have and its BMS/Balancer capabilities. When folks buy these 100 ah low cost Chinese all in one batteries how do they know their cells are actually balanced with the low grade technology installed? As im watching the video i didn't realize that high tech battery comes with a low end Heltech Active Balancer. Im a little shocked. I thought i remember you wanting to get rid of the Neeeeeeeeeee and use a different Active balancer?
Some 12V batteries now also have a Bluetooth BMS included and user can check on the battery and cell level health. If not, yeah, you don't know. The Heltec Active Balancer which was in the battery is not a low end item, so don't be shocked. NEEY is still the best option as well as the Heltec capacitive balancers I took out of the battery.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Good to know you endorse the Heltech. i have the 4s version, it seems to work but takes a while even if the cells are not that far out of balance. Cheers !
I came across Your videos two days ago and I am now addicted !!! I discovered the "Jaki" and Orient Power and of course the Gobel Power. There is a distributor next to me in Munich for the Gobel Power but they have to order the battery so its takes also 4 to 8 months they told me. Not really a problem, the real one for me is the weight ;-(((( However this one is really interesting so I will show this video with big interest. THANK You a lot for all the education You achieve with Your videos. I learned a lot in two days !
Thanks for your feedback and welcome to the channel. A lot to catch up here 😊 Don't forget to subscribe to my German channels linked in the video description as well😊
Hello Andy, i have a Victron System with about 400A charge and discharge power how i connect 4packs of this gobelpower to my system? thank you for your answer Andreas
Have a look at the Lynx system I introduced here on the channel a while back. That would be very suitable for your system. ua-cam.com/video/X4U9ANlrf2I/v-deo.html
I know that it's a side topic, but I would really be interested in this mining thing, especially if it's really worth it and which miner you are using.
Anys plis give your feedback about this printer i bought one 2 year ago , and so far this is the worst printer i have ever had , parts are bad quality there are lots of problem in terms of part quality and allighment of them, frame is ok its riggit but hed is flexy and can swing back nad forward left and right. Vertical screws holding table are olways bend. start slowly not push it hard at beggining and should be fine
Heya, good test again. I think these gobel batteries are very good indeed but the price for me is to high and I like to bild my batteries myself. maybe even starting my own company bilding batteries
Some forum members have reported that the Neey balancer has become defective due to the high current of 4A. As a precaution, I set the current to a maximum of 3.5A. Balancing works just as well with the reduced current and so far no balancer has failed. Running now since months
hello Andy, You make great videos, I watch every one 👍 Could you perhaps run a subtitle in German in the video? Unfortunately my English is not that good. Thank you and greetings from Germany .
Hi Andy, Just a quick question about the temperature of the Neey. I noticed your Neey gets pretty warm (almost 60 degrees Celsius (25.46 in your video). My Neey sometimes even go over 60 degrees. Also i noticed that the active balancer in the JK BMS (the old one) does not get warm at all. Is 60 degrees, in your opinion acceptable? I am always afraid that the balancer can produce some fireworks one day, because of this temperatures.
That is totally fine. it measure the MOSFET temperature inside the NEEY. They can get hot during operation. 60° is actually cool for these chips. They can go to 100° without problems.
Hello Andy, thanks for the good video. I ordered at the end of August the DIY version, but with the active 4 A Bluetooth Balancer. This week the Battery came (Germany). Ca. 12 weeks. The Neey / Heltec Balancer is making hearable noise. Is yours also doing?
At my Gobelpower pack during the absorption phase of the Multiplus I observed, that the Muliplus is keeping his output voltage constant at 55,2 V for more than a hour. The pack voltage is going down constantly as soon the charge current is lower then 2 Ampere. Is it correct, that the cell voltage is going down constantly to around 3,37 in one hour without any charge/discharge current?
Hi Andy, can you receive Bluetooth from the NEEY Balancer when the housing is fully assembled and closed and the balancer is surrounded by metal on all sides? Isn't that the reason why the Bluetooth part of the Seplos is mounted behind the display (made of plastic). If I put the Neey in a closed metal housing, I can no longer get a BT connection, which is the reason why I mounted it outside on the top of the case.. Greetings from Germany.
Congrats on the 3D Printer Andy...... You are joining at a relatively good time where most manufacturers have started sorting out their BS, even a year back you would have certain head aces...... So, a good time to join, 3D printer manufacturers have learned not to ship half finished products as they will get ragged by 3D printer reviewers as the guys have started to tell them, if you want to gag us and limit what we may or may not say then no review from us.... Still not perfect but a good time to join this community.
I had some issues with this printer at the beginning. I took the hole print head apart to find the problem. It's more of an issue with the manual which does not give enough information about this important part when assembling. It's now a really good printer, I think. Video is in the make and will come out in the next 2 weeks...
@Andy: Hope, you went for a CoreXY-type 3d-printer (alternatively i'd have suggested a Delta - but CoreXY can be better housed for materials like ABS and the like...)
Hi Andy, I'm just going to say this...... really enjoyed your videos.... Building your system with all the testing and experimental things you did on cells and solar panels.... Both you and Will have done same.....started off on small set ups with alot of ups and downs with your DIY set ups....... But now your mainly set on huge set ups which a few of us have been left behind due to costs ect. I'm about 3yrs behind you and IV not the income to up grade my system to relate to your todate videos. Iv learned loads off you and Will too, but now your way too far advanced for me to keep interest.
Thanks a lot for your feedback. We will do a lot of smaller builds next year. I have several projects lining up which will be super fun to build and install.
I ordered Basic on 19th Sep, based on previous video. G/total $4,631au (incl ""$1,191"" shipping). Didn't leave their factory until 20th Oct, still at sea. Wonder what balancer, if I should also change. But if have to pull apart like that, maybe should have diy build in first place.
shipping is there term which in reality covers the fees and taxes cause that sounds far better than paying for taxes and fees. And yes shipping costs do exist but are already covered internally. So you get it tax free without fees and just the shipping fees only, the payment for the big containter ships we all know.
@Lana_Warwick I would expect your battery has the same 5A capacitive balancer build in as they only recently started with the standard NEEY upgrade. I would not swap it but you may want to add the A30 voltage detection module. You still need to take out this BMS plate though. Happy to send you an A30 for free if you get in contact with me.
Hey Andy, TwoTrees SP-5? Welcome to the club, but beware of the modification-rabbithole... If you start running into problems with inconsistent first layers I'd recommend changing to the pei spring steel plate (and adding a leveling sensor).
@@OffGridGarageAustralia people tend to modify their 3D Printers, once started it is hard to stop again. I had trouble with big prints as the print bed is not exactly flat which led to either prints coming lose, or the print nozzle not being able to extrude in some places as it was to close top the bed. PEI spring plate is a different print surface which is held in place with a magnet, can be easily removed and then bent top release the prints (which is very satisfying). But like said if everything works fine keep it like that as long as possible, the printer does a good job in stock form, esp. considering the build volume and pricepoint. I always recommend building something like a housing for the printer, as air drafts can show up or even ruin prints (more a problem when printing stuff like PETG or ASA/ABS).
There is another option to order. Its called "Preassembled" with massive discount. I have ordered one and one new 200A bms with bluetooth so that all my gobel power batteries has installed the same bms. The delivery should be in december. It takes time from China to Austria.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I have one Gobel Power battery in action since the end of september. Working very well with the Deye 12k Inverter but I think you are right with the permanent active balancer. The balance is perfekt, but the pack voltage on 100%SOC is low. On the other hand maybe its good for the cells not to load that high even it shows 100%?
Hallo Andreas, tolles Video. Schon interessant, wie ähnlich unsere Interessen sind. Angefangen mit Mitsubishi Outlander Phev, Tesla und jetzt PV Anlage, Off grid und DIY Batterie. Meine erste Batterie war mit 8Zellen mit EASun Off grid Inverter. Die zweite 16 Zellen EVE 280Ah mit Deye Sun 10kW Hybrid Inverter. Schöne Grüße aus Tirol
Been with you quite awhile and Andy, Your videos have far exceeded anything that I will ever do. I have 4 Chins 12.8v batteries. I would like to know how to troubleshoot fully these batteries.
Do you recommend to switch off the internal balancer from the Pace BMS when using the Neey 4A balancer? Bye the way, the current version of the Pace BMS has a bug. It’s send a cell imbalance warning to Victron, as soon the balancer starts.
No, you can leave the BMS balancer running at the same time, no need to de-activate it. I have not seen this software bug, what hardware/software version ae you having this issue with?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia at yourVideos about the Gobelpower pack and the Pace BMS I could see a blinking message at Venos OS. I thought, your are getting the same imbalance warning. I have the version: P16S200A-21606-2.00
Hello Andy, don't they work against each other? You mean the internal and external balancer should have exact the same parameter for start und stop voltage? @OffGridGarageAustralia
Hello Mr, I am from West Africa, and I am a TOGOLESE technician.I think the battery balancer works when there is an imbalance, and when balance is reached, he waits.I think that if you have to wait until the cell voltage is around 3.45, it is no longer interesting.I left the balancer on my battery for 3 months and at the end of the 3 months I noticed that all the cells are balanced to within 0.002v. I used the 100AH 12v Eve cells.
Well, if you charge your battery to 3.6V per cell, you will probably find your battery has a huge imbalance. But it all depends on the charge and discharge current of your system.
Ha… I was laughing when you started to figure out how to fit the Neey on the existing posts on the BMS metal plate. Did exactly the same some a couple of months ago when I built my Gobelpower pack and knew that there isn’t enough space to get it in like that.😊 My solution was basically the same like yours and it works as expected. Solar is quite a pain right now in Germany. Only rain, storm and totally overcasted sky by since weeks . You‘re lucky there down under! 👍🙂
Yeah, I really had to get the metal plate out to make it fully work and finalise my design of the 3D print. Seasons are always changing and this makes it so interesting, I found. Getting 60kWh/day now easily.
Is the 4A NEEY/Helltech balancing one cell at a time like you mentioned in your review of the 15A smart balancer , or all cells at once like capacitive? Which do you prefer if using a voltage trigger? Have yesterday been searching your library for a clue so this video helps. Also, Andy easy miss take on your first design.. The number one mistake new engineers make is allowing clearance for tool head eg socket to fit over bolt.
The capacitive and transformer balancers balance all cells at the same time but balance current is dependent on voltage difference. The NEEY/Heltec balancer one cell at a time but always with 4A and are not dependent on the voltage difference.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Well I thought I would ask as I can then have 2 batteries looking the same. One with 280ah cells and one with 304ah. Watching your video I now know it’s not a problem to have 2 batteries with slightly (or a lot) different capacities due to the charge curve,
@@egg399. Mine arrived today. Suddenly find myself nervous, not only opening create hoping nothings broken, also me not mucking it up. Gotta go back & watch all the vids again, take notes, work out the balancing, etc.😨
Hello, Andy have u ever seen a balancer (BMS) that stops balancing (no starts) at a certain voltage. Now is winter time. My battery (Lion 3.7v) is flat or a little charged. So the dev was up to 200mv in flat condition. Now I balanced my cells in a flat condition of 2.8v and turned off balancing. I would like to keep balancing when the voltage is only below 3V and stops at 3V. It would be my winter setup. Summer setup I can set up with any BMS or balancer. Thanks
Hard to tell what is going on. I don't know your setup, what balancer you are using, how the general setup and design is and why you would bottom balance the battery🤷♂️
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Hi again, I want to balance bottom coz in winter time my battery for last 4 month will be between 0%-40% . Battery 234Ah x2/52V 14s 2x JK BMS .Btw bottom balancing is more acurat as 2v=1% of SOC and top balansing 2v=15% of SOC .(14s bbatery 52V) . I jus looking for balanser which works oposite and stops balansing (not starts) Thanks
Hi Andy, I just got my ESS Victron system up and running, ive been busy with it for weeks.
Today was the last piece of the puzzle... seeing if the battery ( soon to be battery's ) is charging when the sun hits the PV panels, and it did !
So thank you for all your effort, information and details that I had a bit of a direction to work with. It made it all the better to understand.
Sadly the last 2weeks are horrible regarding sunshine, and this week is not going to be any better here in The Netherlands.
The ground is fully absorbed with water, emergency waterpumps are being installed all over the country, it's what we call Pumping or Drowning !
I changed the settings for when my 4 JK BMS's start to 3.45 and what a difference it has made in last week. All my cells are staying closer to each other now. .005-.008 when I hit 3.4 per cell. It used to be .010-.040 SO i do agree with you and thank you for showing me why. Love ya Andy like a brother. You have made me understand why many times and saved me a lot of testing etc..
What are your voltages for bulk, absorbtion and float ?
Balance start voltage can make a difference, but it depends on your overall settings of your charger as well.
I'm wondering, did the low 3.531v cells reach 3.600 or higher before the bms ovp stopped the charge input or does that little bit more absorption not matter ?
What was the balance start voltage prior to your change? Just for my reference. This is a valuable data point.
@@junkerzn7312 I had start voltage at 3.35. So far they are staying close.
3D printers are a great idea for mad scientists!
Clean installation 👍
Thank you. I felt Velcro is not cutting it here. The bracket is overkill, but good for my OCD 😊
My two Gobelpower PC200 DIY Batteries with 5A active balancer, which I have ordered at 26th August, have arrived this week. They have been placed in front of my shed while I was on a business trip. I have taken them into the shed today and opened one box and took the battery out, cells are all about 3,23V which looks good. 😊
So I currently don't need any more batteries but I will check if I got the EVE cells or the REPT cells like the current Basic batteries. 😉
The Basic seems to be the replacement for the GP-DIY-KIT I got. The name DIY was not really fitting, because the battery is completly assembled, so Basic fits better.
I think I will just add a switch to the 5A active balancer to make it switchable. Maybe I will use such a mentioned voltage detection controller, but I think it is not necessary. Manually switching on the balancer only if necessary should do the job.
10 weeks from order. I ordered 19 Sep, didn't leave their factory until 20 Oct, currently at sea, presumably, their tracking is shiet.
Yeah, the 'Basic' name is now much better than calling it DIY as before. I would have ordered the Basic version as well. Considering the active balancer it has, there is no problem with any of the cells.
You still have to take out the metal mounting plate for the BMS to get to the balancer and solder the two wires on the run pads. It's very tight space.
You can upgrade to an A30 at any time then.
I would highly recommend to check the torque on the cell terminals, one had become totally loose on mine.
You didn’t even have to bend the neeeeeeey! Well done!
It just fit!
Good morning dear friend,
Let me first congratulate you on the quality of your recordings. You are truly a highly qualified teacher, which is not insignificant.
I would not like to abuse your time which I believe is very valuable. but if it were possible, I would just like a little clarification on a project that is close to my heart.
I am in the process of equipping my motorhome with two 12V-280Amp LiFePo4 battery modules.
I still don't know to this day if I should put the model:
Active Equalizer, Lifepo4 4s Group Balancer
Or:
NEEY Smart Active Balancer 4TH 4A BMS, 4S Lifepo4 Battery.
I would be really happy to have a response from you.
your videos are wonderful.
Best regards to you.
Dominic
G'Day Dominic.
Thanks for your very kind feedback and question. Do you need an active balancer at all?
I would fully charge the batteries you have and watch the voltage delta across all 4 cells. Once you charge to 13.8V you will see them start spreading. Slowly increase charging voltage and watch the cell voltages. If you can charge to 14.2V without one cell going over 3.65V, you battery is probably fine and does not need an active balancer. It depends what BMS you have installed and if it is enough to balance your pack.
The NEEY is not able to run from a 12V battery and needs a separate power supply, a step-up voltage converter. It needs at least 28V to work reliably.
Sunny hot OzStraya! Use some "spiral wrap!" 😂
Jeez, that spiral-wrap word... can't do it without a few calibrated SPATs😂
Nice work on the 3D printing, its so satisfying when your first prints comes out and everything fits. Did you use PLA or PETG? I print everything in PETG now.
Yeah, it was really nice. I should have done a little drawing first to get the measurement rights. I just smeared all numbers on a piece of paper. Luckily it all worked out.
I use the PLA which came with the printer... Not sure about anything else. I'm a 3D virgin 😉
@@OffGridGarageAustralia 3D printer is amazing thing. My congratulations on the purchase! BTW, you could print seplos to JK adapter to fit it into mason case. I currently working on these parts=) bms brackets already done)
@@yuga923 before we develop such adapters, we need to wait for the JK BMS to proof itself to be working. So far, I cannot see this happening.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia you are 100 percent right! I already received my 2 pcs. But I do not rush to swap them because of the software.
Hi Andy, just an idea like that. Maybe build a buggy to have all your batteries standing up easier to take one out with crane, just pull one up and there you go ! Cheers mate !
This is just a temporary setup until the 'Power Garage' has been built/upgraded. Bigger castors will definitely help a lot for this specific tower. It's heavy as...
None of these batteries is in production at the moment anyway. All for testing purposes on a temporary base.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia great I’ll stay tune as always ! Cheers !
I got lucky, and was mining Bitcoin when you could do it on a single core processor laptop, at the beginning, I bought many Bitcoins for ten dollars a piece. Then built mining rigs, as that became required..I had 28 mining rigs in this garage I rented, in which electricity was included, It was a 600 amp service, and I pushed that to the limit, and the owner never said a word in 6 years, although he did own over 100 properties, residential and commercial, and the bills were probably paid automatically...When the price hit $52,000 I sold most of it, and sent that guy a check for $20,000, because I used much more electricity than I paid for rent, and slid under the radar some how...
Thanks for sharing. You are a very generous person paying for the power after you made a good profit.
Times have changed a lot now and mining is a lot more difficult. And louder 🔊
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I rented that garage to store my equipment, and as an office, for my employees, I had 3 scissor lifts, 2 backhoes, 2 JLG lifts, fork truck, a dump truck, a couple huge trailers, A giant generator, 2 diesel pick up trucks, ladders, scaffolding, and a whole lot of tools..And then I got some welding contracts..There was a giant office area above all the garage bays, which gave me the idea to mine Bitcoin, because of the space and extreme electrical capacity, I had many air conditioners running, 3 guys welding full time, and all those mining rigs running..And a whole bunch of other stuff going on there..That building sat there empty and for rent for several years..I think Ed was happy that someone was keeping an eye on it, and providing a few dollars, it was in the middle of nowhere..I was in business with the owner doing real estate deals, buying old commercial buildings, gutting them, and doing build outs for the new tenants..As well as apartment buildings, buying and remodeling..All of that, were side hustles for me, I had a normal 40 hour a week job, didn't have to be there 40 hours a week though, depending..
The LEGENDARY!!! Gobelpower Battery Upgrade
Hahaha, need to be done!😂
Hi Andy, is there another video coming about the Gobel Battery ? Or is this the final one in the playlist ? I'm about to pull the trigger on a few of them ;)
What else do you want me to show? I think it's a very good battery and quality, comes with the NEEY as standard.
If you have any questions before you pull the trigger, let me know.
There is still a 15% code on my website until end of November!
off-grid-garage.com/li-ion-batteries/
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Maybe a quick ‘How to’ video with setup guide from ‘out of the box’ to fully operational with a Cerbo & Multiplus/Quattro …. An all in one guide with basic config settings . A quick all in one guide would be awesome 😎💪🏽👍🏼 Love ur work Andy. I just ordered two(2) units 😎Thanks mate 🙏🏼
@@NukeFPV Good suggestion, I'll put this on my list.
Thanks Andy.... Your list must be bigger than Santa Clause 🎅🏼 @@OffGridGarageAustralia
A calibrated life makes for a happy life, eh Andy?
It helps my OCD, hahaha.
Heineken isn't beer. /Belgium
As far as I heard, beer is VERY expensive in sunny hot australia. I wonder if this is the reason he drinks Oettinger
Case (24) of Heineken, Carlsberg, XXXX (most beer) is ~$50au. Oettinger 500ml Cans ~$63au. Corona ~$60
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In Germany Oettinger is one of the cheapest you can buy....
@@Lana_WarwickJezz, almost twice the price here in snowy, cold Finland.
ah, here we go... 🍿
Isnt it time to put them in a server rack, so you can unload if need be?
Not yet my friend, not yet... I use them for testing purposes only at the moment.
Hi Andy. Just wondering if you have ever reviewed the SOK batteries ? Cheers for the videos mate 👍🏼
They are not diy so good luck.
Hi Andy, I'd like to ask you for a topic that is hardly covered. I have an APC 3000VA uninterruptible power supply. It uses 8 12V sealed lead-acic batteries grouped in 4 parallel pairs to complete a 48V total, I'm experimenting feeding it with 16 LiFePo CATL 280Ah batteries managed using a Daly BMS. The idea is to use it for backing up for my home computer, monitor, switch and router as well as a few LED lights. The problem I found is that as opposed of what happens with the lead batteries, half of the time the ups shuts itself down when mains power gets cut. Also the battery level indicator (a 6 led bar) only shows 1 led as if the battery was almost discharged while the measured voltage out of the batteries is about 54V. Have you ever use a UPS in this manner?
How the active balancer works? It has FET’s it uses to connect capacitor to high cell, disconnects it and reconnects it to low cell?
Good work 😊
Thank you.
Thanks brother ❤❤❤
Always welcome
Hallo du frühlings hafter Australier, habe eine Frage aus dem kalten Austria. Du hast mich mit deinen Videos überzeugt das der Neeeeeey sehr gut ist - aber wie erkenne ich beim Online Kauf das es sich um die 4 te Generation handelt ? LG Marcus
6.30 am, watching this video, no input yet, kettle's boiled, coffee has been made.
Using your settings from previous videos, Seplos BMS, Neeeeey balancer, battery at 52.5V and 0.003mv deviation.
I could not be happier Andy, Thank you.
Hallo, wie kann man, beim Neey 4A neue App, die Batteriespannung Kalibrieren?
We gotta exceed one up-vote per minute, come on guys!
Hahaha, thanks a lot, Matt!
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I seriously want this battery.
Great price compared to others I've seen on AliExpress but still a bit much for me and i don't have any inverter over 12v.
Some day soon i might order
I got a ECGSOLAX MAX-10.2K AIO for $920au (ebay sale). With the GB = ~$6k with wiring & few 2nd hand panels.
You sent
Do you know where I can get a 230 apm Breaker?
Yes, I have some high amp DC breakers on my website, roughly half way down that page:
off-grid-garage.com/battery-accessories/
A bit off topic, but I'm lost in space of these 4790 nice offgrid videos: what kind of cables I need for new JK BMS to connect a) bms to cerbo b) another new jk bms to another new jk-bms c) new jk bms to PC?
Thanks guys for your assistance
a) you need the Victron Type A cable for that or make your own.
b) they connect with LAN cable from RS485 to RS485 port.
c) You need a USB to RS485 adapter with RJ485 port and a LAN cable to connect to the battery
@@OffGridGarageAustralia thanks Andy, much appreciated.
Like# 1 - Cherry Picker!!!
Uhhh, look at this guy!
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Woohooooooo, I was actively watching, waiting for the video to drop!
@@paulcurtis5496 still no notification, ey? 😊
I was in the app, not sure if it does notifications while in the app? But no, no notification. I’ll mess with the notifications again and see if I can jar it loose.
Oh no... he's gone to the 3d side.
What?
Avec bien sur , BMS DALY LiFePo4 4S 12V BT. Merci With of course, BMS DALY LiFePo4 4S 12V BT. THANKS
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Bei 17:35 warum arbeiten jetzt 2 Balancer gleichzeitig macht das Sinn ?
Sure, you can have as many balancers as you like working on one battery.
The balancer in the BMS is very small (70mA or so) and won't make a big difference...
Enerky is Israelish rebrand.
I buy one standart at 30 oct 2023 für 10 euro less than this 15% deal. look at this deal ;-)
Merci !
Merci beaucoup pour votre soutient🙏
Looks crazy. Too complicated and expensive.
Don't use an adjustable spanner on battery terminals, nasty dangerous.
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Hey daly has a new 5 amp active balancer can you try it our for us?
Yes, I've got it here already. Coming soon...
I have to wonder with all that high tech battery technology you have and its BMS/Balancer capabilities. When folks buy these 100 ah low cost Chinese all in one batteries how do they know their cells are actually balanced with the low grade technology installed? As im watching the video i didn't realize that high tech battery comes with a low end Heltech Active Balancer. Im a little shocked. I thought i remember you wanting to get rid of the Neeeeeeeeeee and use a different Active balancer?
Some 12V batteries now also have a Bluetooth BMS included and user can check on the battery and cell level health. If not, yeah, you don't know.
The Heltec Active Balancer which was in the battery is not a low end item, so don't be shocked.
NEEY is still the best option as well as the Heltec capacitive balancers I took out of the battery.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Good to know you endorse the Heltech. i have the 4s version, it seems to work but takes a while even if the cells are not that far out of balance. Cheers !
I did use Velcro to attach my active balance
Which is totally fine!. I would have done 100% the same.
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I came across Your videos two days ago and I am now addicted !!!
I discovered the "Jaki" and Orient Power and of course the Gobel Power.
There is a distributor next to me in Munich for the Gobel Power but they have to order the battery so its takes also 4 to 8 months they told me.
Not really a problem, the real one for me is the weight ;-((((
However this one is really interesting so I will show this video with big interest.
THANK You a lot for all the education You achieve with Your videos.
I learned a lot in two days !
Thanks for your feedback and welcome to the channel. A lot to catch up here 😊
Don't forget to subscribe to my German channels linked in the video description as well😊
Is this a Sapphire Plus/Pro? Looking forward to the introduction video… 😎👍
some times ago it got name change it was shapire plus now its twotrees sp-5
Video is coming soon, guys!
Hello Andy, i have a Victron System with about 400A charge and discharge power how i connect 4packs of this gobelpower to my system? thank you for your answer Andreas
Have a look at the Lynx system I introduced here on the channel a while back. That would be very suitable for your system.
ua-cam.com/video/X4U9ANlrf2I/v-deo.html
I know that it's a side topic, but I would really be interested in this mining thing, especially if it's really worth it and which miner you are using.
Video is coming, it's on my list...
Anys plis give your feedback about this printer i bought one 2 year ago , and so far this is the worst printer i have ever had , parts are bad quality there are lots of problem in terms of part quality and allighment of them, frame is ok its riggit but hed is flexy and can swing back nad forward left and right. Vertical screws holding table are olways bend. start slowly not push it hard at beggining and should be fine
Video is coming soon...
So technically they aren't brand new anymore since they are already cycled few times😆
They are cycled 5 times or so. Don't think it makes a difference if 5 or 500 times tbh😄
Heya, good test again. I think these gobel batteries are very good indeed but the price for me is to high and I like to bild my batteries myself. maybe even starting my own company bilding batteries
Some forum members have reported that the Neey balancer has become defective due to the high current of 4A. As a precaution, I set the current to a maximum of 3.5A. Balancing works just as well with the reduced current and so far no balancer has failed. Running now since months
thanks for the tip!
Don't know how they have setup their systems, but mine are running full blast since I installed them without issues.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I guess the other versions are targeted for people needing to store every AH possible.
@@OffGridGarageAustraliaOh and I did order a basic one as well. That will bring me up to about 30kwh
hello Andy,
You make great videos, I watch every one 👍 Could you perhaps run a subtitle in German in the video? Unfortunately my English is not that good.
Thank you and greetings from Germany .
Hallo, man kann bei Einstellungen UA-cam übersetzen/deutsch wählen
@@ferdinandfieg9271 Dankeschön
Andy, try Czech beer like Budvar or Pilsner Urquell, much better than Heineken or Carlsberg😉
hi, you are very professional and nice...with your videos I am learning a lot from you..congratulations
Thank you, that is the main purpose of this channel.
Hi Andy,
Just a quick question about the temperature of the Neey.
I noticed your Neey gets pretty warm (almost 60 degrees Celsius (25.46 in your video).
My Neey sometimes even go over 60 degrees.
Also i noticed that the active balancer in the JK BMS (the old one) does not get warm at all.
Is 60 degrees, in your opinion acceptable? I am always afraid that the balancer can produce some fireworks one day, because of this temperatures.
That is totally fine. it measure the MOSFET temperature inside the NEEY. They can get hot during operation. 60° is actually cool for these chips. They can go to 100° without problems.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia thank you!!
Hello Andy, thanks for the good video. I ordered at the end of August the DIY version, but with the active 4 A Bluetooth Balancer. This week the Battery came (Germany). Ca. 12 weeks.
The Neey / Heltec Balancer is making hearable noise. Is yours also doing?
Hi I am trying to get cells. I got quoted $2640 for 16 EVE304 cells including delivery. Is that reasonable?
At my Gobelpower pack during the absorption phase of the Multiplus I observed, that the Muliplus is keeping his output voltage constant at 55,2 V for more than a hour.
The pack voltage is going down constantly as soon the charge current is lower then 2 Ampere.
Is it correct, that the cell voltage is going down constantly to around 3,37 in one hour without any charge/discharge current?
Hi Andy,
can you receive Bluetooth from the NEEY Balancer when the housing is fully assembled and closed and the balancer is surrounded by metal on all sides?
Isn't that the reason why the Bluetooth part of the Seplos is mounted behind the display (made of plastic).
If I put the Neey in a closed metal housing, I can no longer get a BT connection, which is the reason why I mounted it outside on the top of the case..
Greetings from Germany.
Andy, where can I get the casters with the red wheels? Thanks.
Congrats on the 3D Printer Andy...... You are joining at a relatively good time where most manufacturers have started sorting out their BS, even a year back you would have certain head aces...... So, a good time to join, 3D printer manufacturers have learned not to ship half finished products as they will get ragged by 3D printer reviewers as the guys have started to tell them, if you want to gag us and limit what we may or may not say then no review from us.... Still not perfect but a good time to join this community.
I had some issues with this printer at the beginning. I took the hole print head apart to find the problem. It's more of an issue with the manual which does not give enough information about this important part when assembling.
It's now a really good printer, I think.
Video is in the make and will come out in the next 2 weeks...
How did you print that design without support material for those clips?
Ich habe 3 von den "alten" 150 Packs mit den aktiven Balancer.... 3x neeyyy bestellt und werde die 3 Packs Dan umbauen.
Hi Andy. Hast du für meine GP-SR1-PC200 Premium vielleicht Werte die ich im BMS einstellen kann? Ab wann soll der aktive Balancer sich dazu schalten?
@Andy: Hope, you went for a CoreXY-type 3d-printer (alternatively i'd have suggested a Delta - but CoreXY can be better housed for materials like ABS and the like...)
Yes, it is a CoreXY printer. I love it! Now that it is working...😂
Hi Andy, I'm just going to say this...... really enjoyed your videos....
Building your system with all the testing and experimental things you did on cells and solar panels....
Both you and Will have done same.....started off on small set ups with alot of ups and downs with your DIY set ups.......
But now your mainly set on huge set ups which a few of us have been left behind due to costs ect.
I'm about 3yrs behind you and IV not the income to up grade my system to relate to your todate videos.
Iv learned loads off you and Will too, but now your way too far advanced for me to keep interest.
Thanks a lot for your feedback. We will do a lot of smaller builds next year. I have several projects lining up which will be super fun to build and install.
I ordered Basic on 19th Sep, based on previous video. G/total $4,631au (incl ""$1,191"" shipping). Didn't leave their factory until 20th Oct, still at sea. Wonder what balancer, if I should also change. But if have to pull apart like that, maybe should have diy build in first place.
shipping is there term which in reality covers the fees and taxes cause that sounds far better than paying for taxes and fees. And yes shipping costs do exist but are already covered internally.
So you get it tax free without fees and just the shipping fees only, the payment for the big containter ships we all know.
@Lana_Warwick I would expect your battery has the same 5A capacitive balancer build in as they only recently started with the standard NEEY upgrade.
I would not swap it but you may want to add the A30 voltage detection module. You still need to take out this BMS plate though.
Happy to send you an A30 for free if you get in contact with me.
Hey Andy, TwoTrees SP-5? Welcome to the club, but beware of the modification-rabbithole... If you start running into problems with inconsistent first layers I'd recommend changing to the pei spring steel plate (and adding a leveling sensor).
Yes, that's the one. I don't know what you mean with the rest 😄
So far, working great👍
@@OffGridGarageAustralia people tend to modify their 3D Printers, once started it is hard to stop again. I had trouble with big prints as the print bed is not exactly flat which led to either prints coming lose, or the print nozzle not being able to extrude in some places as it was to close top the bed. PEI spring plate is a different print surface which is held in place with a magnet, can be easily removed and then bent top release the prints (which is very satisfying). But like said if everything works fine keep it like that as long as possible, the printer does a good job in stock form, esp. considering the build volume and pricepoint. I always recommend building something like a housing for the printer, as air drafts can show up or even ruin prints (more a problem when printing stuff like PETG or ASA/ABS).
There is another option to order. Its called "Preassembled" with massive discount. I have ordered one and one new 200A bms with bluetooth so that all my gobel power batteries has installed the same bms. The delivery should be in december. It takes time from China to Austria.
Great, I really like their Pace BMS and also batteries. Good quality and performance. You will love it.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia
I have one Gobel Power battery in action since the end of september. Working very well with the Deye 12k Inverter but I think you are right with the permanent active balancer. The balance is perfekt, but the pack voltage on 100%SOC is low. On the other hand maybe its good for the cells not to load that high even it shows 100%?
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Andy, please print the "Latches" on the top and bottom rails next time -> now it can't slip out with gravity as you "bash" the trolley about !!!
What?
Hallo Andreas, tolles Video. Schon interessant, wie ähnlich unsere Interessen sind. Angefangen mit Mitsubishi Outlander Phev, Tesla und jetzt PV Anlage, Off grid und DIY Batterie.
Meine erste Batterie war mit 8Zellen mit EASun Off grid Inverter. Die zweite 16 Zellen EVE 280Ah mit Deye Sun 10kW Hybrid Inverter. Schöne Grüße aus Tirol
Thank you, seems, you're following me for a while. That's great, thank you.
Yeah, you start small and want more and more and more...😂
Been with you quite awhile and Andy, Your videos have far exceeded anything that I will ever do.
I have 4 Chins 12.8v batteries. I would like to know how to troubleshoot fully these batteries.
Do you recommend to switch off the internal balancer from the Pace BMS when using the Neey 4A balancer?
Bye the way, the current version of the Pace BMS has a bug. It’s send a cell imbalance warning to Victron, as soon the balancer starts.
No, you can leave the BMS balancer running at the same time, no need to de-activate it.
I have not seen this software bug, what hardware/software version ae you having this issue with?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia at yourVideos about the Gobelpower pack and the Pace BMS I could see a blinking message at Venos OS. I thought, your are getting the same imbalance warning.
I have the version:
P16S200A-21606-2.00
@@janh.1200There is a V2.22 for this BMS. I'll see if I have this as a file or my BMS came with it already...
Hello Andy, don't they work against each other? You mean the internal and external balancer should have exact the same parameter for start und stop voltage? @OffGridGarageAustralia
Thank You Andy!
You are very welcome.
Hello Mr, I am from West Africa, and I am a TOGOLESE technician.I think the battery balancer works when there is an imbalance, and when balance is reached, he waits.I think that if you have to wait until the cell voltage is around 3.45, it is no longer interesting.I left the balancer on my battery for 3 months and at the end of the 3 months I noticed that all the cells are balanced to within 0.002v. I used the 100AH 12v Eve cells.
For my experience I used the heltec
Well, if you charge your battery to 3.6V per cell, you will probably find your battery has a huge imbalance. But it all depends on the charge and discharge current of your system.
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Andy no neeeyd to be so Cranekee
4:09 I would wrap that busbar with plastic, to ensure it wont touch anything.
What can it touch? Everything was disconnected.
Andy do something on high voltage systems... seems that's where we are headed now
That is not DIY any more and is highly dangerous. Nothing you want people doing at home.
Ha… I was laughing when you started to figure out how to fit the Neey on the existing posts on the BMS metal plate. Did exactly the same some a couple of months ago when I built my Gobelpower pack and knew that there isn’t enough space to get it in like that.😊 My solution was basically the same like yours and it works as expected.
Solar is quite a pain right now in Germany. Only rain, storm and totally overcasted sky by since weeks . You‘re lucky there down under! 👍🙂
Yeah, I really had to get the metal plate out to make it fully work and finalise my design of the 3D print.
Seasons are always changing and this makes it so interesting, I found.
Getting 60kWh/day now easily.
Is the 4A NEEY/Helltech balancing one cell at a time like you mentioned in your review of the 15A smart balancer , or all cells at once like capacitive? Which do you prefer if using a voltage trigger? Have yesterday been searching your library for a clue so this video helps. Also, Andy easy miss take on your first design.. The number one mistake new engineers make is allowing clearance for tool head eg socket to fit over bolt.
yeah it balances one cell at at time - Andy has another video showing this 4a balancer in detail but it is pretty much the same as the 15 amp one.
The capacitive and transformer balancers balance all cells at the same time but balance current is dependent on voltage difference.
The NEEY/Heltec balancer one cell at a time but always with 4A and are not dependent on the voltage difference.
I have ordered an Empty case from Gobelpower along with another basic battery. Hopefully i’ll get those this month.
I ordered 19 Sep, didn't leave their factory until 20 Oct, currently at sea, presumably, as their tracking is shiet.
@@Lana_Warwick Same ship as my delivery I bet!
Didn't know they send empty cases as well...
I would go with the Basic Edition as well.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Well I thought I would ask as I can then have 2 batteries looking the same. One with 280ah cells and one with 304ah. Watching your video I now know it’s not a problem to have 2 batteries with slightly (or a lot) different capacities due to the charge curve,
@@egg399. Mine arrived today. Suddenly find myself nervous, not only opening create hoping nothings broken, also me not mucking it up. Gotta go back & watch all the vids again, take notes, work out the balancing, etc.😨
Still no rain and low 20s last week. Shed is insulated now 😂Andy. Come on mate.
Oh, you're ahead of me with that!
Make a video, I want to see it...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Last vlog has some in it.
Hello, Andy have u ever seen a balancer (BMS) that stops balancing (no starts) at a certain voltage. Now is winter time. My battery (Lion 3.7v) is flat or a little charged. So the dev was up to 200mv in flat condition. Now I balanced my cells in a flat condition of 2.8v and turned off balancing. I would like to keep balancing when the voltage is only below 3V and stops at 3V. It would be my winter setup. Summer setup I can set up with any BMS or balancer. Thanks
Hard to tell what is going on. I don't know your setup, what balancer you are using, how the general setup and design is and why you would bottom balance the battery🤷♂️
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Hi again, I want to balance bottom coz in winter time my battery for last 4 month will be between 0%-40% . Battery 234Ah x2/52V 14s 2x JK BMS .Btw bottom balancing is more acurat as 2v=1% of SOC and top balansing 2v=15% of SOC .(14s bbatery 52V) . I jus looking for balanser which works oposite and stops balansing (not starts) Thanks