People who freak out about stock plug ins mix with their eyes and not their ears. It’s about making the bad shit sound good, THEN you can make the good shit sound great!
My wife laugh a at me sometimes, when im making weird noises, ahhs, ooo's, falsettos in my room...but when she hears the full song when i complete it, she loves it 😂🤘🏼
This is exactly I needed. I’ve been struggling for about 2 years learning the ropes of being an audio engineer. I didn’t know how many vocals tracks I needed or anything. Thank you so much. Great video.
That is the audio being picked up on Andrew's lav mic on his shirt for the broadcast. It gets muted once the audio is played but its not perfect sometimes
That phase effect is actually how its suppose to sound isolated. When the vocals are mixed in with the instrumental you cant really notice it but isolated you will.
So, these vocals sound amazing and blend together so well. He made it sound awesome and powerful. However, I am curious, why put compression on each individual track for the leads when you are then putting compression on the main buss as well? It just honestly seems slightly redundant to me. The only reason I can think is that overall it might glue it together better. I guess we all have our own workflow!
Hella late but I think the purpose of the individual compressors was more for level control of each track and the bus compression was to glue it all together
Same reason you’d compress drum mics individually then separately on the buss. The vocals are pretty consistent but you could still have volume inconsistencies pushing the compressor harder which then pushes down the other tracks, whereas if you compress each then they’re mostly smoothed out by the time they hit the buss compressor. Most any chef would tell you to season a dish throughout cooking, not just at the end, same concept
Is there a specific reason Andrew is using time based processing directly as an insert versus using a bus? Primarily for the ambience on the lead and back up VOX.
question. Are the double vocals in the chorus different takes from the main vocal line or just duplicated? Also, how far are they panned and is the left pan and right panned vocal track the same take?
actually, I just noticed by looking at the waveform that it's the same take at 2:45. However when it comes to the chorus some of the other parts of the waveforms are different. Guess I just answered my own question.
Look again, its not the same. If you've had the same, the main vocal would just be louder. A double take is another take. That's what makes it sound the way it sound.
Based off of experience and what we hear here, the vocals are pieced together from hundreds of takes, consolidated, pitch corrected and automated. Jeremy is a really good vocalist, though. Like, very good.
People think that if you do pitch correction, you're a bad vocalist. *cough* Glenn Fricker. I love him though. But in my opinion it helps bring it all together. Because people usually aren't sitting and listening to a song, espeically a ADTR song and humming the guitar part. Most of the time people are singing along with Jeremy and if it's just a little bit off, people will hear that.
Autotune is a tool like any other and it's an effect like any other, some voices sound better with autotune even if they're 95% in tune already, other voices autotune would make it worse even if they're not in pitch, Serj from SOAD for instance most would consider an amazing vocalist, but he often sings off pitch quite drastically in places, but some how his voice has a magical quality where it still sounds tuneful. Try and imagine how out of place autotune would sound on a system album?
to me sounds like melodyne tbh, he is a good vocalist, but it sounds like the pitches were a little dragged, but either way, its musical to me. If its musical, its good to me, but i seriously love that chorus harmony omfg.
I guess it's a mix of both, but at minute 5:00 you can hear a note "cracking" when he sings "heeeey". Probably that section wasn't completely pitched yet which makes me believe that the guy is very good on staying on tune with a very solid note attack
yup. if u pause the video and watch it carefully u can see that sound waves are super tight but slightly different which means he simply sang chorus 3 times. I'm doing a lot of that in my production to give vocal more depth and power. but u need to work with great vocalist who can sing few almost the same takes.
I wonder why all the back ups and doubles are all hard panned. Woudn't you want to have them all in different places in the stereo field. Not questioning you mixing choice, just trying to understand why you guys chose to go this route.
Hes got a left and right double. Lots of pop productions do that. If you have a vocal L C and R you cover all spots and it can make the vocal sound way bigger.
No one ever shows this, this is the missing link to mixing like them I need to know how they sound raw. Hell, bust out a verse acapella in the studio room. Does that preamp/mic setup really change the sound that much?
I don't know if its just his style of mixing or what, but there's a lot of things I would've done a lot of things different and got better results faster. It feels like he was doing a lot of things out of order. But like I said, maybe its just his mojo. Regardless, I enjoy these session videos because it opens you up to new ideas seeing how other people approach certain situations.
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Jeremy is such an amazing vocalist. Great vid.
People who freak out about stock plug ins mix with their eyes and not their ears. It’s about making the bad shit sound good, THEN you can make the good shit sound great!
Lots of brand name elitism in music. Playing $3000 guitars doesn't make you a skilled guitarist either.
My wife laugh a at me sometimes, when im making weird noises, ahhs, ooo's, falsettos in my room...but when she hears the full song when i complete it, she loves it 😂🤘🏼
I always keep coming back to Andrew Wade and still find some golden nuggets of info. Thanks to everyone who invites him to teach :D
This is exactly I needed. I’ve been struggling for about 2 years learning the ropes of being an audio engineer. I didn’t know how many vocals tracks I needed or anything. Thank you so much. Great video.
Time based fx thrown directly on the track, I was always taught to send to a aux, but it sounds great
This is definitely a testament to the power of stock plugs... kudos, man!
Jeremy has such a beautiful voice!
Thank you for posting this!!
great everything
this was amazing thank u guys!
Thank you.
Anyone else here a weird phasing thing in the vocals when isolated, very briefly when first played back?
Pro tools in Win Its a Pain in the neck....
lol no
That is the audio being picked up on Andrew's lav mic on his shirt for the broadcast. It gets muted once the audio is played but its not perfect sometimes
That phase effect is actually how its suppose to sound isolated. When the vocals are mixed in with the instrumental you cant really notice it but isolated you will.
Wow!
So, these vocals sound amazing and blend together so well. He made it sound awesome and powerful. However, I am curious, why put compression on each individual track for the leads when you are then putting compression on the main buss as well? It just honestly seems slightly redundant to me. The only reason I can think is that overall it might glue it together better. I guess we all have our own workflow!
Hella late but I think the purpose of the individual compressors was more for level control of each track and the bus compression was to glue it all together
Same reason you’d compress drum mics individually then separately on the buss. The vocals are pretty consistent but you could still have volume inconsistencies pushing the compressor harder which then pushes down the other tracks, whereas if you compress each then they’re mostly smoothed out by the time they hit the buss compressor. Most any chef would
tell you to season a dish throughout cooking, not just at the end, same concept
I would do anything for these stems !!!!!
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alright!
Do the drums sound tiny and distant to anyone else?
Is there a specific reason Andrew is using time based processing directly as an insert versus using a bus? Primarily for the ambience on the lead and back up VOX.
I suppose he wanted the time based effects to sonically affect the original source audio rather than blend it on top of it via a bus.
Because he wanted to
The director of the school I went to engineers for Nelly and he uses tones of stock plugins
question. Are the double vocals in the chorus different takes from the main vocal line or just duplicated? Also, how far are they panned and is the left pan and right panned vocal track the same take?
Giancarlo Salazar I hear and see different takes
actually, I just noticed by looking at the waveform that it's the same take at 2:45. However when it comes to the chorus some of the other parts of the waveforms are different. Guess I just answered my own question.
Look again, its not the same. If you've had the same, the main vocal would just be louder. A double take is another take. That's what makes it sound the way it sound.
It's possible the doubles are pitch shifted a few cents up and down
amazing
So were the vocals edited in a different session then imported into the main mixing session as stems?
Most probably yes because they sound pitch corrected and cleaned up.
I was gonna say, am I the only one who hears wavestune already on this?
@@bstacka26 nah on the high ‘and I say hey’ in the chorus it’s blaringly obvious it just gets a little buried in the full mix
We’re the guitars recorded DI or micd up to a cabinet? If micd, which mics were used? Thanks! :)
Amazing sound with stock plugins!
Is this after all the volume automation? Or is Jeremy just that sick of a vocalist?
Based off of experience and what we hear here, the vocals are pieced together from hundreds of takes, consolidated, pitch corrected and automated.
Jeremy is a really good vocalist, though. Like, very good.
Every modern vocalist gets comped, consolidated, pitch corrected, and automated. That's just modern vocal production. Jeremy is a killer vocalist.
I never thought of automating vocals or anything at editing. This might get my life a lot easier ! o_o
People think that if you do pitch correction, you're a bad vocalist. *cough* Glenn Fricker. I love him though. But in my opinion it helps bring it all together. Because people usually aren't sitting and listening to a song, espeically a ADTR song and humming the guitar part. Most of the time people are singing along with Jeremy and if it's just a little bit off, people will hear that.
Autotune is a tool like any other and it's an effect like any other, some voices sound better with autotune even if they're 95% in tune already, other voices autotune would make it worse even if they're not in pitch, Serj from SOAD for instance most would consider an amazing vocalist, but he often sings off pitch quite drastically in places, but some how his voice has a magical quality where it still sounds tuneful. Try and imagine how out of place autotune would sound on a system album?
Are all the second voices pitch edited? Or is just Jeremy that can hit those pretty high notes?
Jeremy can hit those pretty high notes
It sounds to me like a combination of Jeremy getting great, solid takes, and light tuning/timing correction in the editing phase.
to me sounds like melodyne tbh, he is a good vocalist, but it sounds like the pitches were a little dragged, but either way, its musical to me. If its musical, its good to me, but i seriously love that chorus harmony omfg.
I guess it's a mix of both, but at minute 5:00 you can hear a note "cracking" when he sings "heeeey". Probably that section wasn't completely pitched yet which makes me believe that the guy is very good on staying on tune with a very solid note attack
yes, it's melodyne, and I agree with you that it's very musical and sits perfect with the mix and the harmony
You work with Josh A?
On the chorus I notice there’s 3 takes, is he doing 3 seperate performances? I’m confused
yup. if u pause the video and watch it carefully u can see that sound waves are super tight but slightly different which means he simply sang chorus 3 times. I'm doing a lot of that in my production to give vocal more depth and power. but u need to work with great vocalist who can sing few almost the same takes.
So he took the single double and duplicated it for the chorus and pan l+r? Is that what I saw or am I confused. I over think
looks like its 2 takes for the L and R. duplicated takes panned left and right would sum to mono
How much of the quality comes from the preamp/ microphone and singer (source)?
Alot
what song is this?
Right back at it again.
second sucks I believe
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I wonder why all the back ups and doubles are all hard panned. Woudn't you want to have them all in different places in the stereo field. Not questioning you mixing choice, just trying to understand why you guys chose to go this route.
Hes got a left and right double. Lots of pop productions do that. If you have a vocal L C and R you cover all spots and it can make the vocal sound way bigger.
thanks man. also recently did learn about LCR mixing as well. it's amazing.
next time try to show us an unedited,raw vocal,instead of a processed one,then show this..
No one ever shows this, this is the missing link to mixing like them I need to know how they sound raw. Hell, bust out a verse acapella in the studio room. Does that preamp/mic setup really change the sound that much?
'cept for Christina Aguilera... no pitch correction, because she can really sing...
I don't know if its just his style of mixing or what, but there's a lot of things I would've done a lot of things different and got better results faster. It feels like he was doing a lot of things out of order. But like I said, maybe its just his mojo.
Regardless, I enjoy these session videos because it opens you up to new ideas seeing how other people approach certain situations.
Yeah i'm sure you're better than Andrew Wade. HAhahahahha
Better results, faster? You're a joke.