I'm a firm believer that PlayStation makes some of the best d-pads for their controllers, post-ps4 era only got even better. It's also the reasons why I tolerated the psp/psp vita when playing fighters. The dpad on those were amazing. It's a shame most handhelds never adopted that dpad design.
Was really excited for this but then my excitement dropped dramatically the more info they revealed, all around it doesn't look like it has any high ground against the Ally or the Steam Deck, I fail to understand its appeal
Proper thunderbolt perhaps.. I think that the GPU in this in theory is stronger than the "GPU" in z1 extreme. Lacks ALOT in software tho. But it's great that Intel is getting in the market to force AMD to keep working on their APUs.
The E-cores are meant for multi-core performance, which I agree doesn't make much sense for a device like this. They're better suited to regular laptop use cases where you might hit them with a CA workload or just have a ton of stuff open. If Intel went the custom SoC route, it would probably look a lot more like Lunar Lake is supposed to with 4+4 cores and a big iGPU.
Upside down gaming handheld, the less you spend, the better the performance. Gonna try some game streaming to a phone docked to a controller (Gamesir X2s). Considering our phones are creeping up towards 6 inches it is probably better for me to use my desktop at home to send the game via a 720p stream. But I mostly play turn-based RPG on the go
I don't think it's a matter of which of intel's chips they could have used. That's the problem, intel's current architecture simply doesn't scale well enough at low power. Driver optimization for Arc is still going strong for new games, but I'm unsure how vast it's general support is, and with a handheld, games on eclectic engines (indies) are a prime candidate for mobile-play.
Someone scared of Competition lol this their first handheld I think they did ok.. how long has amd been doing this.. msi knows that chip wasn't that great after but the claw 2 will do well I have heard from a friend that works there and let's just say it's very good
When it comes to handhelds, the real deal is all about how it feels in your hands and how long you can go without charging. As for performance, it’s gonna get better as Intel tweaks its software, so don’t sweat it.
I got one recently and I will say so far it's quite good. The grip feel is good, battery life is acceptable and screen is super awesome, really really bright even allowing me to play outdoor
@@liviup6660yes, he likes everything. Which is why he kept complaining about the D-Pads. :rolleyes: Do you haters actually WATCH these videos or just hang around to slag the channel because you have nothing else to do?
@@liviup6660 Again, if he loves everything, why did he constantly slag the d-pads? You guys got your panties in a twist when he started getting new stuff to review more frequently and now won't shut up about perceived biases, but don't actually watch every video... he's got lots where he DOESN'T claim something is the fastest in its class or the best. He doesn't slag anything outright, and is mostly positive, but that's fine, he's honest about the limitations of whatever he's testing.
I tried the claw in store and the grip is quite nice...Ally is too flat. Gameplay is smooth, and battery is much bigger than rog, I believe it can last longer
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this product. We had an idea with previous tests this chip needs at least 50 watts to perform optimally. There was no way MSI techs didn't know this chip wasn't meant for low powered devices. It feels like they lost at friday night poker, then made this in order to pay for the losses.
Or Intel gave MSI and OneNet a sweet deal offer. The only successful Intel handset so far seems to be the OneXPlayer X1, but that maybe more attributed to it being a hybrid that can also be a productivity device.
As an ROG Ally owner before, I have to say: 1. I feel anxious every day without a Type-C charger. Even when playing games like Dead Cells, my ex can easily kill 70% of its battery within an hour. If I was not in tension, it shuts down due to low battery, which is very frustrating. 2. The heat from this screen is no joke. My cat used to love sitting on electronic devices, but ever since getting scared by the Ally, it hisses at me whenever I pick it up. I've sold my Ally and bought the Claw, so at least I don't have to stress like a battery abuse patient.
Because the power consumption would be absolutely insane. Nor would it actually fit. Intel's P cores are huge and power hungry. This is why the i7 and i9 is limited to 8 P cores.
I think you'll get much better results if you disable the P-cores completely. You're going to be GPU limited most of the time and you'll get at least 10W back. I would probably disable the SoC E-cores as well to maximize cache hits.
Those scores being all over the place is a clear indication that Intel's power distribution algorithms are still far from optimized. Looking at these results, Intel should probably have combined the weaker CPU with the stronger iGPU. That way the CPU could boost fewer cores higher while leaving more power for the iGPU.
soo.. getting a cheaper, worse APU model actually... is better than top one? that is interesting to keep in note tho as before - MSI really messed up with the pricing for it..
The chipset should've been theoretically faster, but Intel didn't do well with their drivers 😂 Thunderbolt support also added up to the pricing, too bad they could've just went with AMD and slapped in an Oculink port to keep it cheaper
@@icerink239 you know that Thunderbolt is overall still supperior to Oculink right? Oculink is faster in bandwitdh than TB3 - yes but Oculink is just that - just an PCIE in different format, just like M2 is really an PCIE X4 connection You cannot transfer video signal or even power via it - while you can do all of it via Thunderbolt port :/ Oculink ONLY use it for eGPUs and nothing else if i buy a handheld like that, i rather have one port for dock, power delivery etc instead of specific port just to plugin an eGPU which i probably won't even own
I tried out The Claw! The cooling system was amazing - I didn't feel any heat even after playing for a while. After saw the review, I'm even more tempted to buy one! 🎮🔥
I wish more handhelds have better connection ports so we can use it as a laptop. At least something for eGPU and another for dongle would be required for me.
Most modern laptops need dungles and you can't fit every type of ports on a handheld like this (eg: USB type A which most peripheral use). I'd rather have 1, maybe 2 USB C gen 4 ports & I'll bring my own dungle.
Is it possible to disable E-cores in BIOS just to see if the CPU/GPU balance gets better? Steam deck still works well because at 15W and lower it only needs to power 4 CPU cores leaving just enough power budget for GPU
So basically I should just get an ally right? I want a steam deck but it’s basically not possible for me to get one besides through marked up 3rd party resellers unfortunately
I think its names the claw for that "akward" finger position you have to make in order to press the shoulder buttons... if thats the case it was a not very wise decision...
30 watt cpu power is half the story, the entire device takes 50watts+ and is the worst option out of all these portable pc devices, no one should be supporting this. Not even an influencer trying to butter up the device to not sound as good...
ETA has already buttered up devices like the ROG Ally posting insane benchmarks that I didn’t see anyone else reproduce. I tested the Ally at launch with the same games and got maybe half the fps. So this is par for the course.
if the core ultra 7 version is cheaper than the rog ally it would be make sense to buy it.. but I hope intel can make a great driver for the gpu because in raw Performance ARC graphics is more capable than the Radeon 780M
Stick to Switch OLED, i play Skyrim and Witcher 3 just on and off easy peasy no tweaking etc atleast 4,5-7 h. Nothing compares to the Switch. Steamdeck might be close up there but batterylife is still sh*t and dont let me start on Rog Ally and Legion go omg that is not gaming on the go with 45 mins batterylife hahah
@@hazzehummuz6688 The switch will do 4-5h at low brightness and 3-3h30 at high brightness on the most demanding games. And it's really not that bright either with only 350nits for the OLED model.
I prefer Intel products only on desktops and sometimes laptops. Because in terms of power, unfortunately they will work poorly at low wattage values. I've used Intel on desktops for years, but my last computer I bought was a Ryzen 9 5950x and I'm happy with it. I also own a Rog Ally handheld. I think AMD is much better in this regard. I wish MSI had made a device using the 8840u AMD chip.
Should be perfectly fine for emulation. All those care about is CPU performance and intel chips have generally always had good CPU performance. Should be fine for even PS3 and 360 emulation
Lol after 3-4 months maybe even 2months we will see this msi vlaw take off and outshine everything. This happens with every handheld pc. They stabilize after awhile. I feel like MSI is goin for a beastly pc while docked and a damn good pc while mobile.
This power management unconsistency tell us about the little effort by MSI in tuning (by software) this system. Yes, a lot of fancy apps to manage everything but when it comes to power managements all becomes a mess
Yeah this feels like an MSI firmware issue to me. There is some serious inconsistency with this thing including the 135H clobbering the 155H in Night Raid (7.9k vs 12k).
I’d say when it comes to msi the lower end always sounds promising but you realize with this manufacture you should just go for the top of the line stuff
Did msi consult fisher price or Ali express for the buttons? I hate mine. I destroyed the review honestly. Don’t let the passivity fool anyone. Watch multiple reviews before thinking about buying one. Also it’s very sus they don’t show temps on the msi overlay. The temps hit over 100c easily at stock fan profiles. If msi had followed the steps of everyone else who has made good handhelds they would have sent them out to consultants in the industry or UA-camrs who won’t lie or over sugar coat things. Also no user friendly nvme upgrade is horrible. You have to break the warranty seal plus remove a fan which is sketchy af
We are still in the first generation of this new handheld gaming PC era. By the second or third generation, handheld PCs will be much better with longer battery life, smoother software, and solid FPS rates. We have to wait and see.
Even MSI Claw normal version is enough for me. I'm not ready to pay 1000€ about of an Ultra version of MSI Claw. Even normal MSI Claw cost 850€ what's too an expensive, and it dosen't have even an Oled. I'm fine without an Oled, bevause I still have an original Nintendo Switch, but 850€ is too much for my wallet. Asus Rog Ally and Steam Deck Oled wins, but MSI Claw looks still beautiful and powerful handheld gaming pc, defienitily I love that Dragon wallaper in the Year of the Dragon 2024. 🐉
@@itsmilan4069 However when ALLY was released, steamdeck was the only competitor in the market, and everyone know Z1E(7840u) has better performance than steamdeck. But now there are many competitors in the market, and the gaming performance of them are not worse than Core Ultra even the driver problem will be solved in the future.
We've had great d-pads since the 80s, yet in 2024 these companies still can't get it right.
Planned obsolete 😅
We have been getting bad dpads since the 80s. Doesn’t matter if someone gets it right, someone else will get it wrong again
@@crestofhonor2349 The fact that some have got it right and others have blatantly ignored what works makes it even more egregious.
I'm a firm believer that PlayStation makes some of the best d-pads for their controllers, post-ps4 era only got even better. It's also the reasons why I tolerated the psp/psp vita when playing fighters. The dpad on those were amazing. It's a shame most handhelds never adopted that dpad design.
Yep, D-pad should just be standardized. No one is going to be upset if every handheld had the same fantastic D-pad.
This Handheld should be called the "Intel gave us a discount on intel 790 chipsets edition'
I'm absolutely baffled as to why this exists.... it costs more than the Z1 extreme handhelds while being worse in every way.
Wow. The cheaper one actually performs better. Who would have seen that coming?
can't wait for your battery endurance test on the MSI Claw
Why? This device is electric waste
Was really excited for this but then my excitement dropped dramatically the more info they revealed, all around it doesn't look like it has any high ground against the Ally or the Steam Deck, I fail to understand its appeal
Proper thunderbolt perhaps.. I think that the GPU in this in theory is stronger than the "GPU" in z1 extreme.
Lacks ALOT in software tho. But it's great that Intel is getting in the market to force AMD to keep working on their APUs.
Rog Ally was garbo out the gate also. Driver updates will be glorious!
Releasing this after the steam deck and rog ally is actually baffling
It's like inventing a phone that can send and receive text messages when voice calls have already been mastered.
it’s a shame, I like MSi but this ain’t it. completely backwards, expensive as hell using INTEL? Rog Alley is the way to go at this point
not if drivers end up making it way better
IF MSI stuck with AMD at least they would've simply had an 'ROG Ally' clone.
@all xD
Not only the drivers but intel is crazy just throwing so many cores in their processors.
Trying to beat amd
There cpu design is pretty much outdated or out designed compared to AMD all they can do is throw more cores at it and ramp up the clocks and power
with so many efficient core than its fine but too much perfomance core will drain the battery faster
The E-cores are meant for multi-core performance, which I agree doesn't make much sense for a device like this. They're better suited to regular laptop use cases where you might hit them with a CA workload or just have a ton of stuff open. If Intel went the custom SoC route, it would probably look a lot more like Lunar Lake is supposed to with 4+4 cores and a big iGPU.
Upside down gaming handheld, the less you spend, the better the performance.
Gonna try some game streaming to a phone docked to a controller (Gamesir X2s). Considering our phones are creeping up towards 6 inches it is probably better for me to use my desktop at home to send the game via a 720p stream. But I mostly play turn-based RPG on the go
Interesting idea. Gonna screenshot this comment.
How is this $200 more than the rog ally and still have worse specs than the $3-400 z1 model 💀💀💀
One word …. INTEL !!
@@jordannachev4142 imo your right, i feel Intel is more of a productivity cpu, and AMD more of a gaming one
Right?😂😂😂😂😂😂
True, more like, MSI clown 🤡
INTELS ALL VERY HOT ,,,after 30minload they 50% drop in performance
was watching your first impression video on the Claw and boom! you posted this 11 mins ago
Love that shape and ergonomic design. That’s the most important for handhelds.
Can’t wait to try it in the store.🙌
After actually playing it, I found it incredibly appealing.
Can’t wait to see these Intel handhelds cook and get optimized for longer.
Fascinating exterior design and great handheld experiences
10:00
In the Night Raid test the Ultra 5 CPU score is over 12,000 but the Ultra 7 CPU only got 7,878. What’s up with that? 😳🤔
Garbage cpu and throttling
I don't think it's a matter of which of intel's chips they could have used. That's the problem, intel's current architecture simply doesn't scale well enough at low power. Driver optimization for Arc is still going strong for new games, but I'm unsure how vast it's general support is, and with a handheld, games on eclectic engines (indies) are a prime candidate for mobile-play.
Someone scared of Competition lol this their first handheld I think they did ok.. how long has amd been doing this.. msi knows that chip wasn't that great after but the claw 2 will do well I have heard from a friend that works there and let's just say it's very good
This thing takes 18w to run Shredders Revenge? LOLOL it takes 8w on the Ally.
And deck 5 tdp😂😂
You’ll need a fire extinguisher near buy too because that game pushes the claw to it’s absolute limits. You don’t wanna burn your house down. 😂
@@MobileDecay 😂😂😂😂
Definitely needs more optimization, not a good look for Msi
@@zomg346 4 cores vs 18 cores. Quite a different CPU. Steam Decks CPU is way underpowered.
When it comes to handhelds, the real deal is all about how it feels in your hands and how long you can go without charging. As for performance, it’s gonna get better as Intel tweaks its software, so don’t sweat it.
Still holding on to my steam deck and will wait for steam deck 2 . Just don’t find these other hand helds interesting at all
Should give a shot to the legion go, bigger screen and detachable controllers are good differentiators
Best Buy open box legion go, got mine for $560 for the 1 TB and paid 60 for Lenovos 3 year warranty
Did you plan to release a video of the MSI Claw running Steam Deck OS (Chimera OS)?
Im interested in seeing this as well. Recent updates to Chimera OS have really improved Intel IGPU compatibility.
Steam OS doesn’t really play well on non AMD chips.
@@Pixelatedaddiction they said Chimera specifically
That indie game graphics look soooo smooth! Also 120Hz display...my big TV has only 60Hz...waht an amazing handheld!
I got one recently and I will say so far it's quite good. The grip feel is good, battery life is acceptable and screen is super awesome, really really bright even allowing me to play outdoor
stand-out outlooks, curvy and sleek black
Excited to see Ally 2.0
I may consider getting it if it happens
looks beast. im always looking forward too your new videos on various hand held consoles. keep up the good work man!
I've just spent the last 3 hours playing on one and unless I missed it I'm shocked you didn't mention how utterly god awful the shoulder buttons are
Eta prime always love everything....do not buy based on the 💩 he puts out lol.😂
@@liviup6660yes, he likes everything. Which is why he kept complaining about the D-Pads. :rolleyes:
Do you haters actually WATCH these videos or just hang around to slag the channel because you have nothing else to do?
@@nikytamayo truth hurts.
@@liviup6660 Again, if he loves everything, why did he constantly slag the d-pads? You guys got your panties in a twist when he started getting new stuff to review more frequently and now won't shut up about perceived biases, but don't actually watch every video... he's got lots where he DOESN'T claim something is the fastest in its class or the best. He doesn't slag anything outright, and is mostly positive, but that's fine, he's honest about the limitations of whatever he's testing.
@@nikytamayo lmao....cause he actually bought it to gain views you dud!😂
would love to see the scores now after all the updates on the device... they are saying its much better now...
Steam Deck: 🔋🔋🔋
Legion Go: 🔋🔋
ROG Ally: 🔋
MSI Claw: 🔥🔥💀💀
I tried the claw in store and the grip is quite nice...Ally is too flat. Gameplay is smooth, and battery is much bigger than rog, I believe it can last longer
A comparison between this i5 version and the Steam Deck OLED and the ROG Ally Z1 (not the Z1E) would be really interesting
holy s**t, did ETA just did a comparison?? wow
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this product. We had an idea with previous tests this chip needs at least 50 watts to perform optimally.
There was no way MSI techs didn't know this chip wasn't meant for low powered devices. It feels like they lost at friday night poker, then made this in order to pay for the losses.
Or Intel gave MSI and OneNet a sweet deal offer.
The only successful Intel handset so far seems to be the OneXPlayer X1, but that maybe more attributed to it being a hybrid that can also be a productivity device.
🎉Great video. Greetings from Venezuela
30-40w is not a realistic scenario for a handheld, it should be sub 25w
this is the great game pads in this segment even got the more smooth experience as others, i think, msi did really good job for this 😍💖💖
Great video. I love MSI Center M & Hall Effect joysticks
As an ROG Ally owner before, I have to say:
1. I feel anxious every day without a Type-C charger. Even when playing games like Dead Cells, my ex can easily kill 70% of its battery within an hour. If I was not in tension, it shuts down due to low battery, which is very frustrating.
2. The heat from this screen is no joke. My cat used to love sitting on electronic devices, but ever since getting scared by the Ally, it hisses at me whenever I pick it up.
I've sold my Ally and bought the Claw, so at least I don't have to stress like a battery abuse patient.
Just get the Ally. This is terrible right now, maybe after it gets optimised it will be a different story.
why they didn't go for 10 performance core. that would've been more than enough if you can see the overall image
Because the power consumption would be absolutely insane. Nor would it actually fit. Intel's P cores are huge and power hungry. This is why the i7 and i9 is limited to 8 P cores.
still they added 6 P cores and i think adding 2 more P core is more power saving than adding those extra 16 threads and 4 E cores combined@@riven4121
I have to admit, MSI is ballsy getting into this market.
Would it be possible to replace the d-pad yourself? You already have to remove the fan to get at the ssd.
Probably. Some people already changed out the analog sticks for tighter ones.
I think you'll get much better results if you disable the P-cores completely. You're going to be GPU limited most of the time and you'll get at least 10W back. I would probably disable the SoC E-cores as well to maximize cache hits.
Great video. Like and bell😎👌🏻 first time on your channel
Those scores being all over the place is a clear indication that Intel's power distribution algorithms are still far from optimized.
Looking at these results, Intel should probably have combined the weaker CPU with the stronger iGPU. That way the CPU could boost fewer cores higher while leaving more power for the iGPU.
They should have created a P-core only chip + the same iGPU for handhelds.
11:23 The cpu seems to be around 40% utilized in the game, turning off the turbo really hurt it that much?
Not sure why MSI would take this big of a risk by going Intel. Maybe it’s how they thought they would stand out?
MSI CLAW looks very nice!! comfortable design is important for me!
I already ordered mine but it might go in the way of the Game Gear.
soo.. getting a cheaper, worse APU model actually... is better than top one?
that is interesting to keep in note
tho as before - MSI really messed up with the pricing for it..
The chipset should've been theoretically faster, but Intel didn't do well with their drivers 😂
Thunderbolt support also added up to the pricing, too bad they could've just went with AMD and slapped in an Oculink port to keep it cheaper
@@icerink239 you know that Thunderbolt is overall still supperior to Oculink right?
Oculink is faster in bandwitdh than TB3 - yes
but Oculink is just that - just an PCIE in different format, just like M2 is really an PCIE X4 connection
You cannot transfer video signal or even power via it - while you can do all of it via Thunderbolt port :/
Oculink ONLY use it for eGPUs and nothing else
if i buy a handheld like that, i rather have one port for dock, power delivery etc instead of specific port just to plugin an eGPU which i probably won't even own
My brother got one and was blown away by how long the battery lasts and how smooth the screen is.
Nahhh 💀
Can someone check if VRR really works. It is strange that MSI does not mention it in any advertisement.
I tried out The Claw! The cooling system was amazing - I didn't feel any heat even after playing for a while. After saw the review, I'm even more tempted to buy one! 🎮🔥
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I wish more handhelds have better connection ports so we can use it as a laptop. At least something for eGPU and another for dongle would be required for me.
Most modern laptops need dungles and you can't fit every type of ports on a handheld like this (eg: USB type A which most peripheral use). I'd rather have 1, maybe 2 USB C gen 4 ports & I'll bring my own dungle.
Is it possible to disable E-cores in BIOS just to see if the CPU/GPU balance gets better? Steam deck still works well because at 15W and lower it only needs to power 4 CPU cores leaving just enough power budget for GPU
So basically I should just get an ally right? I want a steam deck but it’s basically not possible for me to get one besides through marked up 3rd party resellers unfortunately
I think its names the claw for that "akward" finger position you have to make in order to press the shoulder buttons... if thats the case it was a not very wise decision...
Can you test chimeraOS or any other Linux distro to check if anv driver is better than closed source Intel drivers?
I beleive Claw comes with Hall Effect joysticks. It's a smart choice!
Comfy grip + mega battery life = BEST gaming handheld ever!! Team for the Claw🦖
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Hello. Does the Ultra 5 have the same D-pad as the Ultra 7?
Just 1 more reason to be excited for the eventual Steam Deck 2 release
Thunderbolt 4 port for external graphics is exciting
The built-in software looks very intuitive to use, great job MSI!!
any updates on performance?
TBT 4 port is easy to connect and the Hall Effect joysticks is good!
what is that on the desktop its dope 3:00
30 watt cpu power is half the story, the entire device takes 50watts+ and is the worst option out of all these portable pc devices, no one should be supporting this. Not even an influencer trying to butter up the device to not sound as good...
ETA has already buttered up devices like the ROG Ally posting insane benchmarks that I didn’t see anyone else reproduce. I tested the Ally at launch with the same games and got maybe half the fps. So this is par for the course.
@@TheLastLineLive true... But update your bios and software bro 😂 you should be getting maybe 5-10fps lower not straight up half performance 😂
@@TheLastLineLive update your rog ally because now it’s runs just like they promised 👍
if the core ultra 7 version is cheaper than the rog ally it would be make sense to buy it.. but I hope intel can make a great driver for the gpu because in raw Performance ARC graphics is more capable than the Radeon 780M
I think we should be waiting for the 2nd generation of all handhelds. They will surely outperform some lower end gaming laptops.
Not really because they will still be constrained by battery life so it's not going to be possible to keep increasing performance
We're way past 2nd generation.
Stick to Switch OLED, i play Skyrim and Witcher 3 just on and off easy peasy no tweaking etc atleast 4,5-7 h. Nothing compares to the Switch. Steamdeck might be close up there but batterylife is still sh*t and dont let me start on Rog Ally and Legion go omg that is not gaming on the go with 45 mins batterylife hahah
@@hazzehummuz6688 The switch will do 4-5h at low brightness and 3-3h30 at high brightness on the most demanding games. And it's really not that bright either with only 350nits for the OLED model.
Nice to see this product!!
Finally ETA something you dont just give a generic "This is amazing" to in a review!
Actual criticism!
I prefer Intel products only on desktops and sometimes laptops. Because in terms of power, unfortunately they will work poorly at low wattage values. I've used Intel on desktops for years, but my last computer I bought was a Ryzen 9 5950x and I'm happy with it. I also own a Rog Ally handheld. I think AMD is much better in this regard. I wish MSI had made a device using the 8840u AMD chip.
Is the Claw DOA?
18w to run tmnt shredder.....you do the math lmao😂😂😂
What would happen if you disabled hyperthreading?
MSI Claw handheld gaming console not only boasts high performance, but also delivers smoother experiences when playing the latest games.
💀💀💀
can you plug in an external gpu ?
It's more expensive because of the theoretically stronger GPU (and the t
Thunderbolt 4), but shitty driver support killed it even before it arrived
Yeah firmware and drivers killed this thing before we ever saw it.
just wondering how it handles emulation, which of the handhelds out there would you recommend for emulation up to ps2.
Should be perfectly fine for emulation. All those care about is CPU performance and intel chips have generally always had good CPU performance. Should be fine for even PS3 and 360 emulation
Steam Deck
Get an Android device like the Retroid Pocket 4 or similar device if you only need to emulate up to PS2/N64.
When the Claw is actually a Paw
Can you test, elden ring, god of war 2018, rdr2, and some emulation test?
What is the name of the beat up bunny game?
Even ETA prime had a hard time being excited about this one. That's when you know its bad.
Couple more generations and all these handhelds will be running new AAA games with great visuals & performance. Can't wait.
It’s brilliant isn’t it . 5 years ago we could only dream of handhelds like this
That’s only if these current devices succeed and the market is still competitive
"will be running older AAA Games as the future games will be much more demanding than now"
hopefully they get consistent, Asus and valve have done a good job doing just enough so that I didn't feel bloated
You need to test the gpd g1 with that thunderbolt. That maybe is its advantage vs ROG and steamdeck
Yes thunderbolt is definitely one of the USPs of this device. I would love to see some benchmarks comparing eGPU on this vs USB 4 on the Legion Go!
Lol after 3-4 months maybe even 2months we will see this msi vlaw take off and outshine everything. This happens with every handheld pc. They stabilize after awhile. I feel like MSI is goin for a beastly pc while docked and a damn good pc while mobile.
This power management unconsistency tell us about the little effort by MSI in tuning (by software) this system. Yes, a lot of fancy apps to manage everything but when it comes to power managements all becomes a mess
Yeah this feels like an MSI firmware issue to me. There is some serious inconsistency with this thing including the 135H clobbering the 155H in Night Raid (7.9k vs 12k).
I’d say when it comes to msi the lower end always sounds promising but you realize with this manufacture you should just go for the top of the line stuff
let me guess "this little msi claw is an awesome beast"
DO A MSI CLAW VS. ROG ALLY PLEASE!!!!!
Did msi consult fisher price or Ali express for the buttons? I hate mine. I destroyed the review honestly. Don’t let the passivity fool anyone. Watch multiple reviews before thinking about buying one. Also it’s very sus they don’t show temps on the msi overlay. The temps hit over 100c easily at stock fan profiles. If msi had followed the steps of everyone else who has made good handhelds they would have sent them out to consultants in the industry or UA-camrs who won’t lie or over sugar coat things. Also no user friendly nvme upgrade is horrible. You have to break the warranty seal plus remove a fan which is sketchy af
thanks for always showing skyrim. its the best still to date. you should showcase modded skyrim. see what it can handle in seperate vids
We are still in the first generation of this new handheld gaming PC era. By the second or third generation, handheld PCs will be much better with longer battery life, smoother software, and solid FPS rates. We have to wait and see.
yes they can finally perform like a 1080 through third generation when RTX 7000 series already exist... yay.
Rubbish. The GPD Win1 is 8 years old.
Even MSI Claw normal version is enough for me. I'm not ready to pay 1000€ about of an Ultra version of MSI Claw. Even normal MSI Claw cost 850€ what's too an expensive, and it dosen't have even an Oled. I'm fine without an Oled, bevause I still have an original Nintendo Switch, but 850€ is too much for my wallet. Asus Rog Ally and Steam Deck Oled wins, but MSI Claw looks still beautiful and powerful handheld gaming pc, defienitily I love that Dragon wallaper in the Year of the Dragon 2024. 🐉
I'll be waiting for next year handhelds or steam deck 2. These are not performing well....
Well I'll stick with it for the design rather than others🧐
wintel + black = Destined Choice
Geekbench Score Are not far off the Ally. But it’s using 40W.
Timespy score are higher than Ally. Wow. They tuned it for synthetic benchmarks really well. Still it’s using 10W more power overall.
we need a MSI claw vs ROG ally
Not yet we have to wait for 6 month or 1 year for optimization updates
worse than Z1E - but better than Z1
that literary the summary :)
@@Karti200 was same case last year with steamdeck
only after updates ally got needed improvements
sooo I guess we'll have to wait till June or July
@@itsmilan4069 However when ALLY was released, steamdeck was the only competitor in the market, and everyone know Z1E(7840u) has better performance than steamdeck. But now there are many competitors in the market, and the gaming performance of them are not worse than Core Ultra even the driver problem will be solved in the future.
@@kisigma10116 months or 1 year later claw will be tested side by side with the next gen AMD handheld device LOL.
U say in the details 14/cores 18 threads but then u keep.saying 12 cores..are u not counting the 2 lp e cores..idk if thats not being accurate
Waiting for the egpu test