MSI CLAW Core Ultra 5 135H Hands On Review, Can It Edge Out The Higher Cost Version
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- In this video we take look at and test out the Cheapest version of the new MSI Claw Intel Core Ultra 5 135H. Can it beat the Intel Core Ultra 7 155H MSI Claw? Let’s find out. We do an Unboxing, Go over The specs, check out the built in software and do some games testing and put it up against the MSI Chigher end version of the MSI Claw with The 155h. You might be surprised to see the Benchmark results!
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00:00 Introduction
00:36 Unboxing
02:58 MSI Claw 135H Specs
04:06 MSI Claw Look and Feel
04:33 MSI Claw VRR
05:21 MSI Claw Software
07:41 MSI Claw Indie Gaming?
08:42 MSI Claw Benchmarks 135H Vs 155H
11:09 MSI Claw Game Testing
11:37 skyrim msi claw
12:09 helldivers 2 msi claw
12:48 Cyberpunk 2077 MSI claw
13:46 MSI Claw First Impressions - Ігри
We've had great d-pads since the 80s, yet in 2024 these companies still can't get it right.
Planned obsolete 😅
We have been getting bad dpads since the 80s. Doesn’t matter if someone gets it right, someone else will get it wrong again
@@crestofhonor2349 The fact that some have got it right and others have blatantly ignored what works makes it even more egregious.
I'm a firm believer that PlayStation makes some of the best d-pads for their controllers, post-ps4 era only got even better. It's also the reasons why I tolerated the psp/psp vita when playing fighters. The dpad on those were amazing. It's a shame most handhelds never adopted that dpad design.
Yep, D-pad should just be standardized. No one is going to be upset if every handheld had the same fantastic D-pad.
This Handheld should be called the "Intel gave us a discount on intel 790 chipsets edition'
I'm absolutely baffled as to why this exists.... it costs more than the Z1 extreme handhelds while being worse in every way.
can't wait for your battery endurance test on the MSI Claw
Why? This device is electric waste
Love that shape and ergonomic design. That’s the most important for handhelds.
Can’t wait to try it in the store.🙌
was watching your first impression video on the Claw and boom! you posted this 11 mins ago
Fascinating exterior design and great handheld experiences
Was really excited for this but then my excitement dropped dramatically the more info they revealed, all around it doesn't look like it has any high ground against the Ally or the Steam Deck, I fail to understand its appeal
Proper thunderbolt perhaps.. I think that the GPU in this in theory is stronger than the "GPU" in z1 extreme.
Lacks ALOT in software tho. But it's great that Intel is getting in the market to force AMD to keep working on their APUs.
Rog Ally was garbo out the gate also. Driver updates will be glorious!
🎉Great video. Greetings from Venezuela
How is this $200 more than the rog ally and still have worse specs than the $3-400 z1 model 💀💀💀
One word …. INTEL !!
@@jordannachev4142 imo your right, i feel Intel is more of a productivity cpu, and AMD more of a gaming one
Right?😂😂😂😂😂😂
True, more like, MSI clown 🤡
INTELS ALL VERY HOT ,,,after 30minload they 50% drop in performance
Great video. I love MSI Center M & Hall Effect joysticks
Upside down gaming handheld, the less you spend, the better the performance.
Gonna try some game streaming to a phone docked to a controller (Gamesir X2s). Considering our phones are creeping up towards 6 inches it is probably better for me to use my desktop at home to send the game via a 720p stream. But I mostly play turn-based RPG on the go
Interesting idea. Gonna screenshot this comment.
This thing takes 18w to run Shredders Revenge? LOLOL it takes 8w on the Ally.
And deck 5 tdp😂😂
You’ll need a fire extinguisher near buy too because that game pushes the claw to it’s absolute limits. You don’t wanna burn your house down. 😂
@@MobileDecay 😂😂😂😂
Definitely needs more optimization, not a good look for Msi
@@zomg346 4 cores vs 18 cores. Quite a different CPU. Steam Decks CPU is way underpowered.
Nice to see this product!!
Great video. Like and bell😎👌🏻 first time on your channel
Stil a cool looking device with the vent design and the RGB buttons though! Performance wise it's convenient for me to just plug in any external GPU with that TB4.
Thanks 🔥
That indie game graphics look soooo smooth! Also 120Hz display...my big TV has only 60Hz...waht an amazing handheld!
Releasing this after the steam deck and rog ally is actually baffling
It's like inventing a phone that can send and receive text messages when voice calls have already been mastered.
it’s a shame, I like MSi but this ain’t it. completely backwards, expensive as hell using INTEL? Rog Alley is the way to go at this point
not if drivers end up making it way better
IF MSI stuck with AMD at least they would've simply had an 'ROG Ally' clone.
@all xD
Excited to see Ally 2.0
I may consider getting it if it happens
looks beast. im always looking forward too your new videos on various hand held consoles. keep up the good work man!
Can’t wait to see these Intel handhelds cook and get optimized for longer.
Not only the drivers but intel is crazy just throwing so many cores in their processors.
Trying to beat amd
There cpu design is pretty much outdated or out designed compared to AMD all they can do is throw more cores at it and ramp up the clocks and power
with so many efficient core than its fine but too much perfomance core will drain the battery faster
The E-cores are meant for multi-core performance, which I agree doesn't make much sense for a device like this. They're better suited to regular laptop use cases where you might hit them with a CA workload or just have a ton of stuff open. If Intel went the custom SoC route, it would probably look a lot more like Lunar Lake is supposed to with 4+4 cores and a big iGPU.
stand-out outlooks, curvy and sleek black
I got one recently and I will say so far it's quite good. The grip feel is good, battery life is acceptable and screen is super awesome, really really bright even allowing me to play outdoor
After actually playing it, I found it incredibly appealing.
I don't think it's a matter of which of intel's chips they could have used. That's the problem, intel's current architecture simply doesn't scale well enough at low power. Driver optimization for Arc is still going strong for new games, but I'm unsure how vast it's general support is, and with a handheld, games on eclectic engines (indies) are a prime candidate for mobile-play.
TBT 4 port is easy to connect and the Hall Effect joysticks is good!
this is the great game pads in this segment even got the more smooth experience as others, i think, msi did really good job for this 😍💖💖
Thunderbolt 4 port for external graphics is exciting
Wow. The cheaper one actually performs better. Who would have seen that coming?
I beleive Claw comes with Hall Effect joysticks. It's a smart choice!
Did you plan to release a video of the MSI Claw running Steam Deck OS (Chimera OS)?
Im interested in seeing this as well. Recent updates to Chimera OS have really improved Intel IGPU compatibility.
Steam OS doesn’t really play well on non AMD chips.
@@Pixelatedaddiction they said Chimera specifically
Waiting for the egpu test
Hello. Does the Ultra 5 have the same D-pad as the Ultra 7?
thanks for always showing skyrim. its the best still to date. you should showcase modded skyrim. see what it can handle in seperate vids
I wish more handhelds have better connection ports so we can use it as a laptop. At least something for eGPU and another for dongle would be required for me.
Most modern laptops need dungles and you can't fit every type of ports on a handheld like this (eg: USB type A which most peripheral use). I'd rather have 1, maybe 2 USB C gen 4 ports & I'll bring my own dungle.
10:00
In the Night Raid test the Ultra 5 CPU score is over 12,000 but the Ultra 7 CPU only got 7,878. What’s up with that? 😳🤔
Garbage cpu and throttling
When it comes to handhelds, the real deal is all about how it feels in your hands and how long you can go without charging. As for performance, it’s gonna get better as Intel tweaks its software, so don’t sweat it.
Is it possible to disable E-cores in BIOS just to see if the CPU/GPU balance gets better? Steam deck still works well because at 15W and lower it only needs to power 4 CPU cores leaving just enough power budget for GPU
I already ordered mine but it might go in the way of the Game Gear.
Can you test chimeraOS or any other Linux distro to check if anv driver is better than closed source Intel drivers?
I have to admit, MSI is ballsy getting into this market.
Would it be possible to replace the d-pad yourself? You already have to remove the fan to get at the ssd.
Probably. Some people already changed out the analog sticks for tighter ones.
DO A MSI CLAW VS. ROG ALLY PLEASE!!!!!
edge out is crazy
As an ROG Ally owner before, I have to say:
1. I feel anxious every day without a Type-C charger. Even when playing games like Dead Cells, my ex can easily kill 70% of its battery within an hour. If I was not in tension, it shuts down due to low battery, which is very frustrating.
2. The heat from this screen is no joke. My cat used to love sitting on electronic devices, but ever since getting scared by the Ally, it hisses at me whenever I pick it up.
I've sold my Ally and bought the Claw, so at least I don't have to stress like a battery abuse patient.
A comparison between this i5 version and the Steam Deck OLED and the ROG Ally Z1 (not the Z1E) would be really interesting
Can you test, elden ring, god of war 2018, rdr2, and some emulation test?
I tried the claw in store and the grip is quite nice...Ally is too flat. Gameplay is smooth, and battery is much bigger than rog, I believe it can last longer
I think you'll get much better results if you disable the P-cores completely. You're going to be GPU limited most of the time and you'll get at least 10W back. I would probably disable the SoC E-cores as well to maximize cache hits.
Nice
Just 1 more reason to be excited for the eventual Steam Deck 2 release
Still holding on to my steam deck and will wait for steam deck 2 . Just don’t find these other hand helds interesting at all
Should give a shot to the legion go, bigger screen and detachable controllers are good differentiators
Best Buy open box legion go, got mine for $560 for the 1 TB and paid 60 for Lenovos 3 year warranty
30-40w is not a realistic scenario for a handheld, it should be sub 25w
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this product. We had an idea with previous tests this chip needs at least 50 watts to perform optimally.
There was no way MSI techs didn't know this chip wasn't meant for low powered devices. It feels like they lost at friday night poker, then made this in order to pay for the losses.
Or Intel gave MSI and OneNet a sweet deal offer.
The only successful Intel handset so far seems to be the OneXPlayer X1, but that maybe more attributed to it being a hybrid that can also be a productivity device.
holy s**t, did ETA just did a comparison?? wow
Even ETA prime had a hard time being excited about this one. That's when you know its bad.
what is that on the desktop its dope 3:00
I think its names the claw for that "akward" finger position you have to make in order to press the shoulder buttons... if thats the case it was a not very wise decision...
I’d say when it comes to msi the lower end always sounds promising but you realize with this manufacture you should just go for the top of the line stuff
I've just spent the last 3 hours playing on one and unless I missed it I'm shocked you didn't mention how utterly god awful the shoulder buttons are
Eta prime always love everything....do not buy based on the 💩 he puts out lol.😂
@@liviup6660yes, he likes everything. Which is why he kept complaining about the D-Pads. :rolleyes:
Do you haters actually WATCH these videos or just hang around to slag the channel because you have nothing else to do?
@@nikytamayo truth hurts.
@@liviup6660 Again, if he loves everything, why did he constantly slag the d-pads? You guys got your panties in a twist when he started getting new stuff to review more frequently and now won't shut up about perceived biases, but don't actually watch every video... he's got lots where he DOESN'T claim something is the fastest in its class or the best. He doesn't slag anything outright, and is mostly positive, but that's fine, he's honest about the limitations of whatever he's testing.
@@nikytamayo lmao....cause he actually bought it to gain views you dud!😂
So basically I should just get an ally right? I want a steam deck but it’s basically not possible for me to get one besides through marked up 3rd party resellers unfortunately
if the core ultra 7 version is cheaper than the rog ally it would be make sense to buy it.. but I hope intel can make a great driver for the gpu because in raw Performance ARC graphics is more capable than the Radeon 780M
You need to test the gpd g1 with that thunderbolt. That maybe is its advantage vs ROG and steamdeck
Yes thunderbolt is definitely one of the USPs of this device. I would love to see some benchmarks comparing eGPU on this vs USB 4 on the Legion Go!
Just get the Ally. This is terrible right now, maybe after it gets optimised it will be a different story.
11:23 The cpu seems to be around 40% utilized in the game, turning off the turbo really hurt it that much?
just wondering how it handles emulation, which of the handhelds out there would you recommend for emulation up to ps2.
Should be perfectly fine for emulation. All those care about is CPU performance and intel chips have generally always had good CPU performance. Should be fine for even PS3 and 360 emulation
Steam Deck
Get an Android device like the Retroid Pocket 4 or similar device if you only need to emulate up to PS2/N64.
wintel + black = Destined Choice
I think we should be waiting for the 2nd generation of all handhelds. They will surely outperform some lower end gaming laptops.
Not really because they will still be constrained by battery life so it's not going to be possible to keep increasing performance
We're way past 2nd generation.
Stick to Switch OLED, i play Skyrim and Witcher 3 just on and off easy peasy no tweaking etc atleast 4,5-7 h. Nothing compares to the Switch. Steamdeck might be close up there but batterylife is still sh*t and dont let me start on Rog Ally and Legion go omg that is not gaming on the go with 45 mins batterylife hahah
@@hazzehummuz6688 The switch will do 4-5h at low brightness and 3-3h30 at high brightness on the most demanding games. And it's really not that bright either with only 350nits for the OLED model.
Those scores being all over the place is a clear indication that Intel's power distribution algorithms are still far from optimized.
Looking at these results, Intel should probably have combined the weaker CPU with the stronger iGPU. That way the CPU could boost fewer cores higher while leaving more power for the iGPU.
They should have created a P-core only chip + the same iGPU for handhelds.
Well I'll stick with it for the design rather than others🧐
Can someone check if VRR really works. It is strange that MSI does not mention it in any advertisement.
Not sure why MSI would take this big of a risk by going Intel. Maybe it’s how they thought they would stand out?
can you plug in an external gpu ?
You should disable the e cores so u can get more power to the gpu
Comfy grip + mega battery life = BEST gaming handheld ever!! Team for the Claw🦖
bot
What would happen if you disabled hyperthreading?
MSI Claw handheld gaming console not only boasts high performance, but also delivers smoother experiences when playing the latest games.
💀💀💀💀
Lol after 3-4 months maybe even 2months we will see this msi vlaw take off and outshine everything. This happens with every handheld pc. They stabilize after awhile. I feel like MSI is goin for a beastly pc while docked and a damn good pc while mobile.
Seems like msi wants to get one foot on the ground, and then improve with future iterations
Could use an 8 inches screen, and use PS joystick layout instead of an xbox layout because of more ergonomic and symmetry. everything else is excellent as is.
Steam Deck: 🔋🔋🔋
Legion Go: 🔋🔋
ROG Ally: 🔋
MSI Claw: 🔥🔥💀💀
The gameplay looks smooth❤ ❤definitely gotta swing by the shop and get a feel for it
let me guess "this little msi claw is an awesome beast"
From the video, It"s the nicest looking hand held yet (my opinion), by the steam deck has a nice interface. All the not Steam handhelds need a 3rd party OS. Edit A Tiny Windows OS that has a Warper that boots straight to the game liberary with direct access to the Xbox Store, Xbox Game Pass, other online game stores, and Stream. Microsoft might get in board if it includes Xbox Game Pass.
It's more expensive because of the theoretically stronger GPU (and the t
Thunderbolt 4), but shitty driver support killed it even before it arrived
Yeah firmware and drivers killed this thing before we ever saw it.
I prefer Intel products only on desktops and sometimes laptops. Because in terms of power, unfortunately they will work poorly at low wattage values. I've used Intel on desktops for years, but my last computer I bought was a Ryzen 9 5950x and I'm happy with it. I also own a Rog Ally handheld. I think AMD is much better in this regard. I wish MSI had made a device using the 8840u AMD chip.
so steamdeck is the boss for the moment, good to know! thanks alot.
we need a MSI claw vs ROG ally
Not yet we have to wait for 6 month or 1 year for optimization updates
worse than Z1E - but better than Z1
that literary the summary :)
@@Karti200 was same case last year with steamdeck
only after updates ally got needed improvements
sooo I guess we'll have to wait till June or July
@@itsmilan4069 However when ALLY was released, steamdeck was the only competitor in the market, and everyone know Z1E(7840u) has better performance than steamdeck. But now there are many competitors in the market, and the gaming performance of them are not worse than Core Ultra even the driver problem will be solved in the future.
@@kisigma10116 months or 1 year later claw will be tested side by side with the next gen AMD handheld device LOL.
The screen is promising
Intel needs to step up I feel msi should have made two variants a intel version but a amd one as well to give that option open especially since this intel ultra is struggling to even be considered competition to the rog ally
Before you judge it let them launch some software updates first cause it is faster on papper
why they didn't go for 10 performance core. that would've been more than enough if you can see the overall image
Because the power consumption would be absolutely insane. Nor would it actually fit. Intel's P cores are huge and power hungry. This is why the i7 and i9 is limited to 8 P cores.
still they added 6 P cores and i think adding 2 more P core is more power saving than adding those extra 16 threads and 4 E cores combined@@riven4121
MSI CLAW looks very nice!! comfortable design is important for me!
What is the name of the beat up bunny game?
Geekbench Score Are not far off the Ally. But it’s using 40W.
Timespy score are higher than Ally. Wow. They tuned it for synthetic benchmarks really well. Still it’s using 10W more power overall.
Well, I'd say as a market/form factor, valve really established the baseline.
Nintendo started it, but valve opened the floodgates.
When the Claw is actually a Paw
This power management unconsistency tell us about the little effort by MSI in tuning (by software) this system. Yes, a lot of fancy apps to manage everything but when it comes to power managements all becomes a mess
Yeah this feels like an MSI firmware issue to me. There is some serious inconsistency with this thing including the 135H clobbering the 155H in Night Raid (7.9k vs 12k).
So it looks like the core ultra 5 is the better device because it’s not only cheaper but the performance isn’t that far behind.
Also I need to se this device running at actually low wattages like 7-12w not above 15w