And we think of all this stuff as modern concepts, but they were building pistol caliber, takedown sbr's with quick detach scopes in the 1800's. Awesome.
They existed but were ultra rare, specially made, and expensive. Can't compare it to the modern day where someone can cheaply modify their guns with an endless variety of attachments
Whoever owned these all these years took exceptional care of it. It actually makes me pretty happy, a lot of guns from over a century ago can still run like new as long as they're well maintained and looked after. I know I want my own guns to be passed on years down the road and still operate until the heat death of the universe.
the crasftmanship is gorgeous, but also it was probably quite expensive back then. I imagine it was well cared for. i bet there are examples of broomhandles that are pretty rough looking as well.
@@aduantas the problem with the Antarcticain firearms industry is that the penguins keep it a very close secret so the orcas don't know what they're up to
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE Do you have a link to that? Every source I can find lists it as a scope. The original prop even used another German scope (an old Hensoldt).
This carbine is so far ahead of it's time. Even by today's standards that's a handy take-down pistol caliber semi-auto. Comparable to a Ruger 10/22 Takedown in many respects. It would have been amazing in it's time not just for small game but even for many defensive or military roles. For a weapon of it's capabilities, it's lightweight and compact, both in use and even moreso taken apart for storage. It's a pistol cartridge, but the most powerful pistol cartridge of the era. If facing multiple opponents the rapid firepower of this carbine could often be a lifesaver compared to the bolt-action rifles typical of the era. This is the turn of the century, before the BAR, before the Thompson, before the Remington Model 8. If I was alive then this is a gun I would be desperate to own. Heck, even into World War II this design could still hold it's own in combat in a select-fire Schnellfeuer variant with 20-round detachable magazines. Upgrade the scope when available and put a brass deflector on the forward scope mount to take the impact of the ejected brass. Of course, by the end of WWII you have Sturmgewehrs and M2 Carbines that offer more utility than earlier designs. At the turn of the century when it comes to outright practicality I'm usually more a of a Luger guy (on style I love the C96), but in a carbine like this the deficiencies of the Mauser are minimized and the advantages highlighted. I always thought these Mauser carbines were some of the best weapons available when introduced, and adding a low-power scope on a quick-detach mount above the iron sights like this sweetens the pot. Given the limited effective range of this weapon and the limited performance and fragility of early scopes, open sights may be more practical for defensive use, but they're certainly a boon for hunting in any case.
Goluch is established since 1896 & they have also an english homepage so why dont ya drop them a line? Send 'em the link to Ians video. But keep in mind, that the job was done about 100 years ago. www.goluch.com/1/carl-goluch-1896-jagdreisen-jagdkurse-jagdausruestung/
Usualy they keep Records, so why not send 'em a mail. information: Ing. Marco Schmid office@goluch.com Not only 100 years ago. I forgot to mention the 22 airraids at Linz in WW2, 20.000 Bombs werde dropped, about 700 undetonated are still lying in the ground. The last bomb exploded in 2004, it was digged out by an excavator.
Yes - maybe. But mounting a scope on a rifle or handgun seems to be no problem for a skilled gunsmith. I once asked a nearby gunsmith, if he can mount a scope on my Jager 30M1 Single Action, he said: " I can mount you a scope on anything, but do you really want to mutilate that beautiful piece of machinery?" No, I did not.
Man can you imagine how advanced this mustve been in 1899?! ...When you realize most non military people wouldve still been using muzzleloaders/single shot rifles with bolt action smokeless powder rifles still pretty new, and this comes on the scene! Wow that mustve blew some minds back then.
This gun was a prop in an old Hawaii Five O episode where a hit man working for Wo Fat shoots but does not kill a spy because of specially hardened ammunition. This shooting is done to ingratiate the spy to the real target. Jack Lord and Eric Braeden (Hans Gudegast) played the lead roles. Nice gun!
wow, I've actually been in the Carl Goluch store in Linz a few times when I was a kid, while my mom was shopping for shoes next door. I'll try to stop by and show them the video :)
Claw mounts and 'Vienna Snappers' are often found on pre WW2 Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and stutzen (full stocked carbines). My M1910 Take Down Model has a claw mounted Gerard B.
Claw mounts and 'Vienna Snappers' are often found on pre WW2 Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and stutzen (full stocked carbines) as well as Oberndorf Mauser rifles of the same period. My M1910 Mannlicher Schoenauer Take Down Model (proofed 1922) has a claw mounted Gerard B.
I have no experience with Broomhandle Mausers, but I just finished a 2 year degree program in Gunsmithing, and by God I'd like to build one just like it. But I don't want to ruin a highly collectible/expensive firearm. Curse you Morality!!
RIP, I was just about to reply saying look for a rusted out piece of crap that has no real collector value, kind of gun that you have to replace stuff on, which would hurt the value anyway so who cares, and Ian it appears beat me to it by four years.
Well if you do... Mount the scope differently... Such that the rear sight functions out to 1,000m. And such that the standard stripper clips can be used. I think what we have here is a, once upon a time, great pistol that an amateur gunsmith put a scope on.
Maybe I can drop in some knowledge: Goluch was a gunsmith and dealer here in my hometown Linz in Austria until about 25 or 30 years ago, probably the son or greatson of the Goluch who most probably made this scope mount. (They also are known to have stamped guns they were only selling, a common practice of some gunsmiths here in Austria and also Germany.) Then his son in law ran the buisness for about another 15 or 20 years under the name Schmidt before it got closed. I belive he or his sons are still in the gun trading buisness although without a physical store. The company which made the scope is Karl Kahles in Vienna, Austria, the are still into the buisness producing decent scopes, not as famous as Swarovski or Zeiss but a little bit cheaper and of about the same quality. I have a very similar Kahles scope with 4x magnification on my Mannlicher-Schönauer Stutzen Modell 1908, Cal 8x56M.Sch. which I still use as my main hunting rifle as long as light conditons are good. Being a bit smaller in diameter I belive the magnification of the scope on this C96-Carbine is 2.5x, that was pretty common in those days, you had mostly 2.5x or 4x. I´m not sure, but I strongly belive the scope and mount are from the interwar period. I´m no expert on these old scopes, but I´ve seen a lot of rifles from the interwar period with this style of scopes dating from the 1920´s and 30´s. Scopes for hunting didn´t really kick off before WWI in Austria and Germany, first because they were seen as "unfair" in the eyes of the old hunters, second because only the sniper rifle scopes of WWI really made the benefits of a scopes clear. My M1908 "Schönauer" (as we simply call them to distinguish from other Mannlicher rifles) is also from the 20´s. The mount is called a 3-point "Suhler" mount, Suhl being a famous gunsmithing town in Germany. Normaly it would be 4-point (like on interwar or postwar M98 sporting rifles), but some gun designs don´t allow this: In the case of the C96-carbine the rear mounting point is so off to the side because of the bolt being in the middle, placing another mounting point on the other side would really make a very wide gun, I think they tried to avoid that. Mannlicher-Schönauer rifles always had a 3-point mount because of the bolt handle travelling through the middle of the rear part of reciever, that´s why I´m so familiar with this. Most of the Mannlicher-Schönauer rifles from the interwar period have a 3-point "Wiener Schnäppermontage" (Vienna snapping mount), a little bit different and weaker than the Suhler mount. Suhler mounts for Mannlicher-Schönauers only became standard after WWII, or maybe in the late 30´s. Anyway, the stile of the socpe and mount really look like 1920´s or early 1930´s. In my eyes that is definitley a beautifull time-correct upgrade of the C96.carbine, pushing its value! I wish I could find AND afford one!
Wow, two likes in four days on a four year old video with close to 600 comments! Maybe someone can forward this to Ian, he might be interested in scopes and mounts of that period! Also the lucky buyer of this beautiful C96-Carbine! Geetings from Austria, Philipp
I concur with your assessment. My 1922 proofed Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910 (9.5X57 - .375 Nitro Express Rimless) Take Down Model wears a claw mounted Gerard B (4X) scope. Claw mounts are often found on Oberndorf Mauser rifles of the same period. The scope and mounts were on the M1910 when my Grandfather bought it 'second hand' at Colombo, Ceylon, in 1931. It is my understanding that British gunsmiths and buyers preferred the claw mount over the 'weiner snapper'.
@@-oiiio-3993 Sure, the Wiener snapper was more common in Austria, while the Suhler claw was kind of standard in Germany right after WWI and also on British imported Mausers as well as Schönauers. Mounts and modifications like Take-Down were usually made by british gunsmiths. Thing is, the Wiener snapper was very easy to fit on Schönauers as well as German M88 rifles and Carcanos. They all have the bolt handle travelling through the split rear of reciever. The Suhler 4-point claw mount was designed for break open action rifles (single shot, double barrels etc.) and Mauser M98 (and similar bolt actions like for example the earlier M96). When mounted on a Schönauer the Suhler is not a 4-point as it is normaly but a 3-point like the Wiener. And, as I stated before, this 3-point Suhler claw mount became standard on Schönauers also in Austria post WWII or maybe in the mid ´30s. I´m not an expert on this like a serious collector or gun dealer specialiced on those beauties would be, but I have seen and handled at least two dozens of pre WWII Schönauers. And as an austrian hunter my perspective is of course focused on the austrian variants which got their scopes mounted by austrian gunsmiths.
@@philp8872 My Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910 Take Down was built as a 'take down' at Osterreichische Waffenfabriks Gesellschaft Steyr. Though some MS were converted to 'take downs' by British gunsmiths, usually with the interrupted screw system, OWGS produced and sold their own 'factory made' Take Down Model on prototype models of M1900 as well as on production models of M1903, M1905, M1908, M1910. They used the system, also employed by Westley Richards, whereby the action is secured by a lever at the trigger guard and a forend pin. After removing magazine, turning lever and pulling pin the entire barreled action is lifted out. 'Zero' does not change. The MS Take Down, as 'factory built', is well illustrated in the (U.S.) 1939 Stoeger catalog. Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and stutzen ordered with telescopic scopes generally had 'Vienna Snapper' mounts installed by guild shops in the Steyr region of Austria. My M1910's (three point) claw mount may have been added post manufacture for British export, perhaps when it obtained its British proofs. It was with the rifle when purchased 'second hand' by my grandfather in 1931 at Colombo, Ceylon, then a British colony. It is cased but the case label is long gone.
@@philp8872 Soon after Steyr Werke resumed MS production post WW2 with the M1950 Steyr made and mounted their own 'swing away' scope mounts and, by 1952, included a flat machined and removable 'side plate' that could be replaced with an aftermarket side mount scope if desired. These variants are also well illustrated in Stoeger catalogs of the time.
I have always loved the broom handle, owned 3 of them at one time, but always seemed to find something better that I wanted at the time. The scope looks much like the old JC Higgins Scope on my fathers old .22 Remington Target Junior rifle that now rests in it's mount in my dinning room, awaiting it's transfer to my son, come time for me to Join Dad in the happy hunting grounds.
I feel like I may have impacted the channel, every since I had the NFA exemption question you've added that comment. Great example and great video. Love what you do Ian!
Wow. That is the most cool-looking carbine. Even if it is old. I like how versatile this pistol is. I am hoping DICE applies these kinds of upgrades to this pistol in Battlefield 1 even if it interferes with WW1 lore at the cost of the speed of pulling out the weapon.
guns like that are so cool because over 100 years ago some gunsmith built that for probably just some random customer, I wonder what the gunsmith would think about how over 100 years later thousands of people all over the world would be looking at his work
Beautiful BUT functionally I have questions: I'm curious how you would load that effectively with stripper clips with the scope mounted? would you have to load by hand or detach the scope to use clips? and how would this affect zero? also wouldn't the vertical ejection of brass beat the shit out of the underside of the scope? lots of questions.
David Ward the scope appears to be a little off set, so the stripper clip shouldn't affect loading and reloading. But what do I know, I'm only in highschool.
I could see this set up for a canoe trip through the wilds of North America before WWI. Not likely as it is in top shape but I think a lot of guys would have carried right through the 1960s. Be a sweet canoe/snowmobile gun for Canada and Alaska today.
This might just be one of the very few options to have a C96 with a Picatinny rail on top without having to hate yourself. Just get a gun smith to build a rail for you that fits the scope mount and you can run anything from a red dot to a thermal scope on a C96 carbine without modifying the gun.
Just by the engraving around the scope mounts you know this was a ver y important firearm to the original owner and they only wanted the finest. It would be interesting if a provenance for this firearm could help solve the mystery.
3 million of these and a steady supply of magazines did have been a WWI game changer (okay, a simpler gun would have been necessitated, but...) So many things equivalent in purpose to the M1 carbine of WWII were ignored during WWI. They'd have been the assault rifles of their day.
I've had the honour of handling the actual Han Solo Cantina blaster. Back in 2003 I visited a warehouse/ factory in London UK where they take firearms and convert them to movie use. They had guns from Aliens/ Bond/ Star Wars all screen used and we got to handle them. The cream was Solos gun. It was amazing! I found out a few years later it ended up into a private collectors hands.
Was this Bapty's? I'm a collector and replica prop builder with a special interest in that particular gun. In our collectors' circuits the whereabouts of the actual firing Mauser C96 is unknown. What are known, however, are casts of that gun in "resin" (plastic) with different attached parts. If the actual Mauser C96 is in someone's hands then I would be _very_ interested in getting to know more. The C96 used in Star Wars (1977) is unique in that it has a custom thick barrel with a threaded end for fitting a silencer, and a scope mount on two threaded rods on the lower receiver. The top and bottom receiver are maybe not from the same original gun. Either have been used in other movies with different top/bottom.
One of these must have ended up in movie prop house as I believe I've seen a similar gun in some old movies from early '30s. Supposedly the stocked Mauser pistol often used by movie villains was what prompted legislators to include them in the1934 Firearms Act. In reality few if any were ever used in crimes.
Except this literally is Han's blaster. A lot of the original Star Wars weapons were just modified WWI and WWII prop weapons, and Han's blaster literally is just a sci-fi'ed C96.
I wonder how the extra mass affects the recoil operation, and how the scope interferes with clip loading. Otherwise very neat. I'd love to see some new production sporter (as opposed to tactical) pccs.
to load with a stripper clip do you have to remove the scope. or is there a way around it.? it seems if you tip it forward it may fall out of the slots.
i think this is one of the later versions where it has a removable magazine, if not, it might load a lot like a bolt action rifle with an overhead scope, where you just load one round at a time through the top. This is a sporting carbine, so it's not too far off that you'd load it one shot at a time, since you wouldn't be storming trenches or anything like that.
This is most certainly a very early gun as stated in the video. The problem with single-loading the C96 is that the C96 doesn't have a bolt hold-open as we know it today. The bolt is held back by the magazine follower itself. As soon as the follower is depressed, the bolt tries to go forward. When a stripper clip is in the guide slot, it holds the bolt back while the rounds are pushed in. You can single-load the magazine, but you need to hold the rear of the bolt back with one hand while loading the magazine with the other. Alternatively, one could make a single-load tool that would fit into the stripper clip guide (even by just cutting a clip down really short) to hold the bolt back while loading the magazine, but if you forget to put it in then you'll find yourself with an instant case of C96 thumb. tl;dr Single-loading a C96 is much more annoying than simply taking the scope off between reloads. Especially for a sporting gun.
As soon as I saw that the scope was mounted over the center bore, this was the first thing that I thought. I was waiting for Ian to address this in the video and was surprised that he didn't.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Kahles is still around! Period, but they could probably confirm some info on that scope if they have some historical documentation.
Aesthetically probably my favorite carbine on this show so far.
Dok_ Hope 100% agree. This looks SO COOL
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Han Solo’s pistol and Bobba Fett’s rifle had a baby
@@God-Emperor_Elizabeth_the_2nd and it was a child conceived with love.
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I'm dying
Everything about this gun is "why", this is some historical tacticool.
it is because certain countries had restrictions on importation of rifle so mauser and star made pistols with detachable riffle butts to send to china
why not?
Is there a version of this gun they didn't make?
Up next "Heavy Barrelled, C96 with Bipod, and Drum Magazine".
Jessie Edsell belt fed detachable box canister with tripod and tracks with v3 engine and 3" front shield
Ali Rama If only you were around back then
It wouldn't surprise me if one of those turns up someday
Bullpup C96 when
Ali Rama nailed it 😂😂😂
And we think of all this stuff as modern concepts, but they were building pistol caliber, takedown sbr's with quick detach scopes in the 1800's. Awesome.
They existed but were ultra rare, specially made, and expensive. Can't compare it to the modern day where someone can cheaply modify their guns with an endless variety of attachments
Look at that quality build, its that old and still looks brand new ( metal wise ).
thay made things to last back then for sure.
I'm sure it was babied by all of it's owners because of its worth but the craftsmanship is exceptional, that's for sure.
Whoever owned these all these years took exceptional care of it. It actually makes me pretty happy, a lot of guns from over a century ago can still run like new as long as they're well maintained and looked after. I know I want my own guns to be passed on years down the road and still operate until the heat death of the universe.
mr giggles They knew the value of a lifetime customer. Now it’s “how can we get this guy to buy from us again”
the crasftmanship is gorgeous, but also it was probably quite expensive back then. I imagine it was well cared for. i bet there are examples of broomhandles that are pretty rough looking as well.
It's literally impossible to search the internet for guns without any of your videos popping out.
Just part of my plan for world domination. Glad it's working!
Except when you search a gun from my country , you are not going to see any forgotten weapons video there
Nicolas Peterkin what country
Sounds like Ian popping up is a bad thing.
@@aduantas the problem with the Antarcticain firearms industry is that the penguins keep it a very close secret so the orcas don't know what they're up to
If only this actually was Han Solo's blaster. With the scope in a usable position he might have seen the sequel trilogy coming.
Brilliant
Thats a flashlight on his blaster i believe
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE Nah, that's a vintage scope. You can still find some from that time every now and then.
@@Kattbirb i know what it is irl. I mean in universe thats a light
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE Do you have a link to that? Every source I can find lists it as a scope.
The original prop even used another German scope (an old Hensoldt).
This carbine is so far ahead of it's time. Even by today's standards that's a handy take-down pistol caliber semi-auto. Comparable to a Ruger 10/22 Takedown in many respects. It would have been amazing in it's time not just for small game but even for many defensive or military roles. For a weapon of it's capabilities, it's lightweight and compact, both in use and even moreso taken apart for storage. It's a pistol cartridge, but the most powerful pistol cartridge of the era. If facing multiple opponents the rapid firepower of this carbine could often be a lifesaver compared to the bolt-action rifles typical of the era. This is the turn of the century, before the BAR, before the Thompson, before the Remington Model 8. If I was alive then this is a gun I would be desperate to own. Heck, even into World War II this design could still hold it's own in combat in a select-fire Schnellfeuer variant with 20-round detachable magazines. Upgrade the scope when available and put a brass deflector on the forward scope mount to take the impact of the ejected brass. Of course, by the end of WWII you have Sturmgewehrs and M2 Carbines that offer more utility than earlier designs. At the turn of the century when it comes to outright practicality I'm usually more a of a Luger guy (on style I love the C96), but in a carbine like this the deficiencies of the Mauser are minimized and the advantages highlighted. I always thought these Mauser carbines were some of the best weapons available when introduced, and adding a low-power scope on a quick-detach mount above the iron sights like this sweetens the pot. Given the limited effective range of this weapon and the limited performance and fragility of early scopes, open sights may be more practical for defensive use, but they're certainly a boon for hunting in any case.
I thought that porn wasn't allowed on YT.
Too late, I'm here.
(add viscous laughter)
+phileas007 water down that laughter m8
Infernal969 why?
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this video made me cum 5 times in 2 minutes!!!
This has got to be the coolest gun in a while in the channel. Weird how a gun can be simultaneously futuristic and historic looking.
It's because you associate the scoped C96 with Han Solo's sci-fi blaster in Starwars
Ah - ya always show the finest pieces of guns.
Gunsmith / Gunshop Goluch is still located in Linz as also in Vienna and Altaussee in Austria.
Would be interesting to contact them and ask them whether they still have information on this job.
Goluch is established since 1896 & they have also an english homepage so why dont ya drop them a line? Send 'em the link to Ians video. But keep in mind, that the job was done about 100 years ago.
www.goluch.com/1/carl-goluch-1896-jagdreisen-jagdkurse-jagdausruestung/
Usualy they keep Records, so why not send 'em a mail.
information: Ing. Marco Schmid office@goluch.com
Not only 100 years ago. I forgot to mention the 22 airraids at Linz in WW2, 20.000 Bombs werde dropped, about 700 undetonated are still lying in the ground. The last bomb exploded in 2004, it was digged out by an excavator.
Yes - maybe.
But mounting a scope on a rifle or handgun seems to be no problem for a skilled gunsmith. I once asked a nearby gunsmith, if he can mount a scope on my Jager 30M1 Single Action, he said: " I can mount you a scope on anything, but do you really want to mutilate that beautiful piece of machinery?"
No, I did not.
A superb example of firearms art. I have lusted after this C96 Carbine for decades. A beautiful weapon!
By far the coolest little utility rifle I've seen when I say utility I mean small practical and easy to use anywhere.
Hans von Solo :D :D :D
Ferenc Gobor lol too funny
He definitely would have shot first with this ...
His ship, Der Jahrtausendfalke, did die Kesselweglaufen in less than zwölf parsecs.
Hans Ledig
Unironically, Han Solo's blaster is just a sniper cut down into a pistol.
Man can you imagine how advanced this mustve been in 1899?! ...When you realize most non military people wouldve still been using muzzleloaders/single shot rifles with bolt action smokeless powder rifles still pretty new, and this comes on the scene! Wow that mustve blew some minds back then.
This gun was a prop in an old Hawaii Five O episode where a hit man working for Wo Fat shoots but does not kill a spy because of specially hardened ammunition. This shooting is done to ingratiate the spy to the real target. Jack Lord and Eric Braeden (Hans Gudegast) played the lead roles. Nice gun!
wow, I've actually been in the Carl Goluch store in Linz a few times when I was a kid, while my mom was shopping for shoes next door. I'll try to stop by and show them the video :)
Cool! :)
Being able to show that the stuff you made is still in use almost 100 years later... You can´t buy PR like that. :)
yes, exactly!
Kommst du aus Linz wa? Coole Sache :)
So many of these early auto pistol carbines are SOOOO aesthetically pleasing and cool AF.
Kahles still exists today. The company was founded in 1888 near Vienna and the the scopes they make are pretty popular in Europe.
i love how those old scopes look. Can't find a modern scope with the same silhouette
Claw mounts and 'Vienna Snappers' are often found on pre WW2 Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and stutzen (full stocked carbines).
My M1910 Take Down Model has a claw mounted Gerard B.
Stunning. With its layout and all the different modifications possible the C96 was truly ahead of its time.
Claw mounts and 'Vienna Snappers' are often found on pre WW2 Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and stutzen (full stocked carbines) as well as Oberndorf Mauser rifles of the same period.
My M1910 Mannlicher Schoenauer Take Down Model (proofed 1922) has a claw mounted Gerard B.
I’d like to shake the hand of that gunsmith. That’s next-level craftsmanship from a lost era.
That's a thing of beauty!
They can be more than a century old, but the build quality of those C96 can be seen easily.
I have wanted one of these since I was a kid. Still can't tell you why, I saw it and just knew it was the only gun I'd ever really want.
I have no experience with Broomhandle Mausers, but I just finished a 2 year degree program in Gunsmithing, and by God I'd like to build one just like it.
But I don't want to ruin a highly collectible/expensive firearm. Curse you Morality!!
There are lots of really ratty condition C96 pistols reimported from China that would be good foundations for a project like that.
I'll have to look, thank you! Please keep the great content coming, I always learn so much from your channel!
@@Capta1nTaterS Been a couple years since this was posted, did anything come of your search for a beat up broomhandle to make awesome?
RIP, I was just about to reply saying look for a rusted out piece of crap that has no real collector value, kind of gun that you have to replace stuff on, which would hurt the value anyway so who cares, and Ian it appears beat me to it by four years.
Well if you do... Mount the scope differently... Such that the rear sight functions out to 1,000m. And such that the standard stripper clips can be used.
I think what we have here is a, once upon a time, great pistol that an amateur gunsmith put a scope on.
This setup was a favorite of 1960's British TV Action shows used in a black attache case by the Evil Villan.
Wouldn't it be great to have a schnellfeuer version of this for the ultimate tacticool c96.
And with detachable 20 round magazine. Ultimate tacticoolness.
And a spare C96 in the stock.
Badass McRexy 3: Ultimate Badass.
Sebastian Mustermann Rare 40 round magazine
Comradical lol yes
That thing must be the single most awesome firearm I've ever seen in my entire life. Wow....
And it was done without any CNC machines. Thanks for all your work.
Maybe I can drop in some knowledge:
Goluch was a gunsmith and dealer here in my hometown Linz in Austria until about 25 or 30 years ago, probably the son or greatson of the Goluch who most probably made this scope mount. (They also are known to have stamped guns they were only selling, a common practice of some gunsmiths here in Austria and also Germany.) Then his son in law ran the buisness for about another 15 or 20 years under the name Schmidt before it got closed. I belive he or his sons are still in the gun trading buisness although without a physical store.
The company which made the scope is Karl Kahles in Vienna, Austria, the are still into the buisness producing decent scopes, not as famous as Swarovski or Zeiss but a little bit cheaper and of about the same quality. I have a very similar Kahles scope with 4x magnification on my Mannlicher-Schönauer Stutzen Modell 1908, Cal 8x56M.Sch. which I still use as my main hunting rifle as long as light conditons are good. Being a bit smaller in diameter I belive the magnification of the scope on this C96-Carbine is 2.5x, that was pretty common in those days, you had mostly 2.5x or 4x.
I´m not sure, but I strongly belive the scope and mount are from the interwar period. I´m no expert on these old scopes, but I´ve seen a lot of rifles from the interwar period with this style of scopes dating from the 1920´s and 30´s. Scopes for hunting didn´t really kick off before WWI in Austria and Germany, first because they were seen as "unfair" in the eyes of the old hunters, second because only the sniper rifle scopes of WWI really made the benefits of a scopes clear. My M1908 "Schönauer" (as we simply call them to distinguish from other Mannlicher rifles) is also from the 20´s.
The mount is called a 3-point "Suhler" mount, Suhl being a famous gunsmithing town in Germany. Normaly it would be 4-point (like on interwar or postwar M98 sporting rifles), but some gun designs don´t allow this: In the case of the C96-carbine the rear mounting point is so off to the side because of the bolt being in the middle, placing another mounting point on the other side would really make a very wide gun, I think they tried to avoid that. Mannlicher-Schönauer rifles always had a 3-point mount because of the bolt handle travelling through the middle of the rear part of reciever, that´s why I´m so familiar with this. Most of the Mannlicher-Schönauer rifles from the interwar period have a 3-point "Wiener Schnäppermontage" (Vienna snapping mount), a little bit different and weaker than the Suhler mount. Suhler mounts for Mannlicher-Schönauers only became standard after WWII, or maybe in the late 30´s.
Anyway, the stile of the socpe and mount really look like 1920´s or early 1930´s. In my eyes that is definitley a beautifull time-correct upgrade of the C96.carbine, pushing its value! I wish I could find AND afford one!
Wow, two likes in four days on a four year old video with close to 600 comments! Maybe someone can forward this to Ian, he might be interested in scopes and mounts of that period! Also the lucky buyer of this beautiful C96-Carbine!
Geetings from Austria,
Philipp
I concur with your assessment.
My 1922 proofed Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910 (9.5X57 - .375 Nitro Express Rimless) Take Down Model wears a claw mounted Gerard B (4X) scope. Claw mounts are often found on Oberndorf Mauser rifles of the same period.
The scope and mounts were on the M1910 when my Grandfather bought it 'second hand' at Colombo, Ceylon, in 1931. It is my understanding that British gunsmiths and buyers preferred the claw mount over the 'weiner snapper'.
@@-oiiio-3993 Sure, the Wiener snapper was more common in Austria, while the Suhler claw was kind of standard in Germany right after WWI and also on British imported Mausers as well as Schönauers. Mounts and modifications like Take-Down were usually made by british gunsmiths.
Thing is, the Wiener snapper was very easy to fit on Schönauers as well as German M88 rifles and Carcanos. They all have the bolt handle travelling through the split rear of reciever.
The Suhler 4-point claw mount was designed for break open action rifles (single shot, double barrels etc.) and Mauser M98 (and similar bolt actions like for example the earlier M96).
When mounted on a Schönauer the Suhler is not a 4-point as it is normaly but a 3-point like the Wiener. And, as I stated before, this 3-point Suhler claw mount became standard on Schönauers also in Austria post WWII or maybe in the mid ´30s.
I´m not an expert on this like a serious collector or gun dealer specialiced on those beauties would be, but I have seen and handled at least two dozens of pre WWII Schönauers. And as an austrian hunter my perspective is of course focused on the austrian variants which got their scopes mounted by austrian gunsmiths.
@@philp8872 My Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910 Take Down was built as a 'take down' at Osterreichische Waffenfabriks Gesellschaft Steyr.
Though some MS were converted to 'take downs' by British gunsmiths, usually with the interrupted screw system, OWGS produced and sold their own 'factory made' Take Down Model on prototype models of M1900 as well as on production models of M1903, M1905, M1908, M1910. They used the system, also employed by Westley Richards, whereby the action is secured by a lever at the trigger guard and a forend pin. After removing magazine, turning lever and pulling pin the entire barreled action is lifted out. 'Zero' does not change. The MS Take Down, as 'factory built', is well illustrated in the (U.S.) 1939 Stoeger catalog.
Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles and stutzen ordered with telescopic scopes generally had 'Vienna Snapper' mounts installed by guild shops in the Steyr region of Austria.
My M1910's (three point) claw mount may have been added post manufacture for British export, perhaps when it obtained its British proofs. It was with the rifle when purchased 'second hand' by my grandfather in 1931 at Colombo, Ceylon, then a British colony. It is cased but the case label is long gone.
@@philp8872 Soon after Steyr Werke resumed MS production post WW2 with the M1950 Steyr made and mounted their own 'swing away' scope mounts and, by 1952, included a flat machined and removable 'side plate' that could be replaced with an aftermarket side mount scope if desired.
These variants are also well illustrated in Stoeger catalogs of the time.
I always get happy when you post something new and interesting. Thanks for brining these weapons in to the spotlight. Best opening so far.
Great work done to that carbine. Clearly an experienced gunsmith. I have a feeling that is going to go for a LOT at the auction.
I have always loved the broom handle, owned 3 of them at one time, but always seemed to find something better that I wanted at the time. The scope looks much like the old JC Higgins Scope on my fathers old .22 Remington Target Junior rifle that now rests in it's mount in my dinning room, awaiting it's transfer to my son, come time for me to Join Dad in the happy hunting grounds.
this was someone's super fancy toy. bet that man was as happy as anyone can be.
FIFTY ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS?!?!?
worth it lmao
I feel like I may have impacted the channel, every since I had the NFA exemption question you've added that comment. Great example and great video. Love what you do Ian!
Wow. That is the most cool-looking carbine. Even if it is old. I like how versatile this pistol is. I am hoping DICE applies these kinds of upgrades to this pistol in Battlefield 1 even if it interferes with WW1 lore at the cost of the speed of pulling out the weapon.
these have to be my favorite pistols ever love the look love the design and some of the stocks actually hold the weapon itself
It IS pretty cool, you're 100% right Ian! Love the videos! Keep up the excellent work.
That barrel is a BOSS!
This is a really pretty carbine. I'd go for it if I could. Such a cool example of a gun that was modified a century ago.
I'm a 3d artist (using that term loosely) and your videos give better reference than anywhere else online.
Love all your videos Ian, especially when you go into the culture of guns and mods.
I had no idea the ATF granted exceptions to the NFA for collectible firearms such as this one. That's actually pretty neat.
Only if it doesn't put you in equal technological footing with the government
guns like that are so cool because over 100 years ago some gunsmith built that for probably just some random customer, I wonder what the gunsmith would think about how over 100 years later thousands of people all over the world would be looking at his work
That's a great piece. Someone really had a great idea, when they added a scope to an already neat carbine.
How in the hell I missed this video. That probadly is the coolest piece I have ever seen in this whole channel.
A beautiful piece of engineering.
8 dislikes ,..... why ?, should be a millions of likes , love this channel , well because of battlefield 1 ! thanks for bring us pretty sweet guns !
This is one of my top episodes old weapon mods would be really cool to see in the future
This is the most art deco gun I've ever seen.
The mount is seen often (and was probably intended for) on the mannlicher schönauer hunting rifles
Quite correct.
Also seen on Oberndorf Mauser rifles of the same period.
My MS M1910 Take Down Model has a claw mounted Gerard B scope.
Yes yes yes yes yes finally you're reviewing the world's most beautiful pistol carbine :D
The c96, probably the most configurable guns ever made
l'm glad l'm not the only one who came here before the video had been in UA-cam for a full minute.
what a super cool looking gun.
Pistol Carbines look so cool and interesting. I don't know why but I love them.
Damn, that carbine is in superfine condition, barely a mark on it. Beautiful.
Crazy to think people had these in the 1900s
Beautiful BUT functionally I have questions:
I'm curious how you would load that effectively with stripper clips with the scope mounted? would you have to load by hand or detach the scope to use clips? and how would this affect zero? also wouldn't the vertical ejection of brass beat the shit out of the underside of the scope?
lots of questions.
I expect you would take the scope off to load, and that brass would bounce off the bottom of the scope.
Forgotten Weapons Re: bouncing brass. I'd assume the small cartridge size wouldn't damage the optics significantly, eh.
woulda made more sense to side mount it
Scuba Man
It will. Not immediately, but it will. Glass doesn't like impacts.
David Ward the scope appears to be a little off set, so the stripper clip shouldn't affect loading and reloading. But what do I know, I'm only in highschool.
Ian smiling just makes me happy and smile. I dont know why. It just does
I could see this set up for a canoe trip through the wilds of North America before WWI. Not likely as it is in top shape but I think a lot of guys would have carried right through the 1960s. Be a sweet canoe/snowmobile gun for Canada and Alaska today.
Always been a Broomhandle fan (blame he who shot first), but this was particularly cool looking. Thanks for the vid.
If only I had money and lived in the US, gotta love a Mauser.
Really love your videos. Love history and guns so freaking awesome
Wow! 1671 likes and 0 dislikes. This must be a record! (And well deserved!)
Definitely in the TOP 10 coolest guns in the world
1000 likes vs 0 dislikes
Never seen this on youtube (:
That means people really like you, keep going Ian
This is a really really cool gun.
It's an
DL-44 carbine blaster rifle, from
😀star wars😀.
The only handgun that you can continue to fuck with multiple accessories and attachments and it get sexier.
This might just be one of the very few options to have a C96 with a Picatinny rail on top without having to hate yourself. Just get a gun smith to build a rail for you that fits the scope mount and you can run anything from a red dot to a thermal scope on a C96 carbine without modifying the gun.
It's such a great disservice to history that only 30 of them were produced. Because I am a major fan but I know I will never own one myself.
Just by the engraving around the scope mounts you know this was a ver y important firearm to the original owner and they only wanted the finest. It would be interesting if a provenance for this firearm could help solve the mystery.
Truly a remarkable gun
3 million of these and a steady supply of magazines did have been a WWI game changer (okay, a simpler gun would have been necessitated, but...)
So many things equivalent in purpose to the M1 carbine of WWII were ignored during WWI. They'd have been the assault rifles of their day.
Great gun Ian. seems like the sort of thing Kaiser Wilhelm (with his bad arm) would favour...
thank you for informing me of guns I never new existed thank you
C96's eject straight up. So yeah. Straight into the scope. I see potential malfs and a damaged scope after some good use.
Still a cool piece.
I've had the honour of handling the actual Han Solo Cantina blaster. Back in 2003 I visited a warehouse/ factory in London UK where they take firearms and convert them to movie use. They had guns from Aliens/ Bond/ Star Wars all screen used and we got to handle them. The cream was Solos gun. It was amazing! I found out a few years later it ended up into a private collectors hands.
Ian's joke in the beginning actually made me wonder if anyone had thought of a DL-44 blaster carbine.
Was this Bapty's?
I'm a collector and replica prop builder with a special interest in that particular gun. In our collectors' circuits the whereabouts of the actual firing Mauser C96 is unknown. What are known, however, are casts of that gun in "resin" (plastic) with different attached parts. If the actual Mauser C96 is in someone's hands then I would be _very_ interested in getting to know more.
The C96 used in Star Wars (1977) is unique in that it has a custom thick barrel with a threaded end for fitting a silencer, and a scope mount on two threaded rods on the lower receiver. The top and bottom receiver are maybe not from the same original gun. Either have been used in other movies with different top/bottom.
One of these must have ended up in movie prop house as I believe I've seen a similar gun in some old movies from early '30s. Supposedly the stocked Mauser pistol often used by movie villains was what prompted legislators to include them in the1934 Firearms Act. In reality few if any were ever used in crimes.
Oh how Beautiful! Thank You GunGuru Ian!
Beautiful gun and great presentation
Wow. That thing looks like it'd be a blast to shoot!
imagine a mix between this beauty and a folding stock luger
Looks like a pretty comfy weapon.
What a pretty and nice gun!
Sweet 👍 would love to have one of these. Really cool piece! Pretty neat how it had the backup sight!
Reminds me more of Boba Fett's EE-3 blaster carbine design and function wise.
Except this literally is Han's blaster. A lot of the original Star Wars weapons were just modified WWI and WWII prop weapons, and Han's blaster literally is just a sci-fi'ed C96.
I wonder how the extra mass affects the recoil operation, and how the scope interferes with clip loading. Otherwise very neat. I'd love to see some new production sporter (as opposed to tactical) pccs.
Wow Ian, if that sweet little carbine was chambered in 9x25mm Mauser calibre, it would be a handy, compact hunting rig.
Or you could use Westley Richards soft nose bullets. Which, in 7.63x25mm, expanded to three times the original diameter.
Ive seen lots of cool stuff on your channel, but this one takes the cake.
The esoterica of the Broomhandle collecting jargon! :-D
to load with a stripper clip do you have to remove the scope. or is there a way around it.? it seems if you tip it forward it may fall out of the slots.
i think this is one of the later versions where it has a removable magazine, if not, it might load a lot like a bolt action rifle with an overhead scope, where you just load one round at a time through the top. This is a sporting carbine, so it's not too far off that you'd load it one shot at a time, since you wouldn't be storming trenches or anything like that.
Definitely not a detachable mag model. Stripper clip loading is probably why the scope is quick detach.
This is most certainly a very early gun as stated in the video. The problem with single-loading the C96 is that the C96 doesn't have a bolt hold-open as we know it today. The bolt is held back by the magazine follower itself. As soon as the follower is depressed, the bolt tries to go forward. When a stripper clip is in the guide slot, it holds the bolt back while the rounds are pushed in. You can single-load the magazine, but you need to hold the rear of the bolt back with one hand while loading the magazine with the other. Alternatively, one could make a single-load tool that would fit into the stripper clip guide (even by just cutting a clip down really short) to hold the bolt back while loading the magazine, but if you forget to put it in then you'll find yourself with an instant case of C96 thumb.
tl;dr
Single-loading a C96 is much more annoying than simply taking the scope off between reloads. Especially for a sporting gun.
Yer looks like it If I had put the scope on I would have had it roll to the left
As soon as I saw that the scope was mounted over the center bore, this was the first thing that I thought. I was waiting for Ian to address this in the video and was surprised that he didn't.
Its so tactical!
Beautiful carbine! Could you ever do a video on a Whitney Wolverine? Those pistols are a sight to behold!
LifeSizePotato has a very good review.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Kahles is still around! Period, but they could probably confirm some info on that scope if they have some historical documentation.