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@@cynicalcitizen8315Bigfry saw Sid Alpha join his chat and was asking when/if a video was gonna drop about this 😂 this was perfect timing on Sid's part
I like how Bluedrake kept repeating how BigFry banned him from commenting eventho Bluedrake bans people from commenting all the time over trivial stuff including me when I commented about some game he was covering being terrible lol, it was the most upvoted comment and he straight up blocked me. Bluedrake will probably read these comments so hi bluedrake
BigFry did the same exact thing to me awhile back, not much new there I'm afraid. You can dislike a viewer's comment all you want, but proceeding to act like a man child is the bigger kick in the face over handling it properly. Oh well.
I remember TB making a video VERY similar to this a long time ago. Thank you for picking up the torch. It's sad that this has to be covered from scratch all over again.
I never liked how Bludrake would hype up a game or mod being the best there is, yap about it, and have you download it from his site instead of the mod author's. It's a thing for years and I'm glad he's finally getting smacked.
After Bluedrake pushed his game Operation Harsh Doorstop, I stopped paying attention to him. The game had no content and was basically expecting players to do the work for him
I 100% understand what you're saying, and I agree that game sucked. But he always only claimed it was pretty much a modding platform for players. The game was even made pretty much by volunteer devs. He never claimed it to be anything more.
I used to subscribe to both of 'em... been a long time since then. Not a fan of either anymore. Both claim to be critical of a lot of bad things happening in the gaming industry, yet both often end up shilling for games and game developers that happen to give them benefits either directly through sponsorships or indirectly through other means. Both hypocrites in their own right. Not a fan of disingenuous behavior, especially from folks that claim to be on a higher ground than the rest of us.
Watching this unfold from the start Bluedrake switched from his OG coverage to covering every game going "game is going to change the world, end food hunger etc etc" it's all clickbait bs, he's getting desperate. Reckon Bigfry might have a point in that Bluedrake needs professional help and seeing it is the first step so I hope he admits it to himself instead of throwing rocks at others.
This is why it's best to only do sponsorships unrelated to your content... So their is *NO* bias. So many independent UA-camr's cover games news and actually do good work but the second a Raid Shadow Legends or World of Tanks sponsorship ad pops-up they are just burnt.
Which is also partly why I almost never do sponsorships and also how my channel will never earn enough to be considered a "living". I ignore well over a dozen offers per week even now because I don't do gaming sponsorships. EXCEPT, one of these days I WILL manage to get a "Dirty Devs RAID Shadow Legends SPONSORED by RAID Shadow Legends" because that would just be frigging hilarious.
@@SidAlphahonor sir. You have truly surpassed mere mercenaries and became loyalist of cause. youtube is full of mercs. At least you were consistency wise very adamant from beginning to end. No wonder you play battletech animation theme that is story of loyalists, not mercs.
If potential deals was all that was required, then every dirty dev would just send "ad offers" to people likely to call them out. Would make their call outs have a different meaning if they have to admit they have a financial connection to the one they're calling out.
bluedrake is a guy i never really disliked but he always came off as very arrogant with how he constantly hyped up operation harsh doorstop as 'the next big thing that'll change the FPS landscape'
As a subscriber of Bluedrake 42, thank you for making this video. Having gone back and checked, your statements are accurate and have been eye-opening, Well, probably former subscriber now. Certainly going to subscribe to you, now, though
I think that the situation with the first video, while the ad read was still up in the air, was less cut-and-dry than either Sid or Bluedrake42 acknowledges. There clearly is a relationship at the point where the ad read is pending. How solid of a relationship that is would be something Sid is much better positioned to weigh in on than I am, but how solid it needs to be for disclosure to become advisable is, to some degree, a value judgement. I would err on the side of disclosure, but I admit the limits of my own knowledge and I think that reasonable minds can differ on this issue. So, I think it becomes a much more forgivable situation even if (and I’m not taking a position on this) BigFry got it wrong. I’ll echo what others have said: this seems like an odd hill to die on for Bluedrake42. Maybe this is something that causes a little extra scrutiny on BigFry’s sponsorship disclosures going forward, but this is sure as hell no a “got’ya” situation.
I haven't listened or watched BlueDrake42 in a very long time. I had no clue he wanted to make a channel solely based on AI. WHAT? Who in their right mind would ever think thats a good idea? I remember when the internet tarnished Downward Thrust's reputation of just copying and pasting opinions of Redditors and other UA-camrs rather than creating his own opinions. Why would you think having a channel based around an AI giving its "opinions" on things is a good idea?
Only need to look at YT'ers like Kwebbelkop (Unless he somehow pulled his head of of his AI persona's ass). Dude is head deep into AI with let's play channels run almost exclusively by AI and even trying to sell it to other people so they can make their own AI run slop channels. Just trying to take all the humanity out of content creation which is just plain sad really. I can understand maybe using AI to help with the process but don't make it the entire focus of your channel.
Bluedrake is just known for overhyping bare bones crap games just for his own profit for his website. I’m just glad to see people are finally calling him out for how scummy he is
hated both of them for the longest time, they cater to the "holier than thou" crowd of gamers who think they're smart but are actually just slightly smarter sheep. Bigfry has 0 due diligence for his reporting and Bluedrake is a narcissistic idiot who does not know how to make a good game and his fame comes from copying the flashy aspects of popular games poorly
Yeah, that’s why I stopped watching Fritinga plays. He said he hated console fanboys / console peasants but only ever harped on Sony/PlayStation. Very few times Xbox. But never Nintendo ones. And his fans in comments are way worse. I’ve had my avatar pic for awhile and too lazy/didn’t care to change it. But also I love to see hypocritical PC Fanboys. Like his fans, get big mad about it. They said that idk what I was talking about and no right to say PC gaming was good bc I had a PS Avatar. See…what they don’t get is, PC Fanboys are just as bad as Console Fanboys.
Also, don’t forget about Blue and his 10-15 videos titled: “this new game is so amazing and FREE!”, “How is NO ONE talking about this FREE game?” And all they were wee Battlefield 3 mods. Someone else pointed that out in a video and his fanboys descended upon him. Defending their Savior.
This is the only fairest comment of this video's whole comment section, and I'm glad I found and read it. And I'm just like you too where I just don't jump into picking sides (and rather watch these youtuber vs youtuber dramas with popcorn), the only dfference between us tho- is that I don't hate them nor liking them for my own sake (so that I dodge to bullet of the plot twist happening soon)
I know a point of Drake's reference was about "if you take sponsorship and talk about it, you need to talk about it forever!" but that is so incresibly bad faith. It says that you can never enjoy the thing you are sponsored by. Drake's peojection is a total joke, and he does need mental help.
Never been a fan of Bluedrake42. He talks like he knows a lot about game development but until he formed a team he just showcased other people's assets. Now he showcases his team's work while still sounding extremely ignorant of the technology. Marketing people who pretend to understand tech get under my skin.
I had no idea Bluedrake42 was at one point apart of Incursion Red River's development process, only that he did some cross promotion with his game Operation Harsh Doorstop. The only problem i have with BigfryTV right now is that he called The Forever Winter a bad game when he outright played it wrong and that seems to be something he does often with games he plays judging from his comments section
Personally that game looked extremely boring. He made a video that tried to "play it correctly" and it still looked extremely boring. There is almost no gameplay loop.
To be fair The Forever Winter is a disposable FOMO game that will be totally forgotten in three months so who cares if he "played it wrong." The only time I can see this argument working is if Big fry complains that people aren't playing his game right and are criticizing it. Ultimately games are made to reward many types of ways to play. The Forever Winter is extremely shallow
I was waiting for you to chime in on this. I didn't know there was a falling out between them. Good to hear from someone with an "insiders" perspective.
You can make the argument that BigFry would go easy on Arena because he didn’t want to endanger the sponsor negotiations. However, it’s bad form to publicly talk about negotiations. Legally he’s fine, ethically I would have liked to BigFry to say something but understand why he didn’t, and he still should pin a comment under the Arena video saying he got sponsored later but the video is still his opinion. Considering Bluedrake is reaching CS Lotto levels of illegal, he should not casting stones here.
This is not an argument about who or what is right, but it is important context: FTC Guidelines, despite what everyone thinks, are not a law. In fact, they are the FTC's opinion on how they will attempt to enforce their power under law, or power they believe that they have. An organization like the FTC is not the Judge and Jury, they are the executive branch. They made these rules up but not the law, and their interpretation of the law (or even the laws themselves) could fail under judicial scrutiny. It is the same as how the FTC has attempted to enforce Antitrist/Monopoly rules they claim are broken. They must prove it in court, but have repeatedly lost in court in the last several years. The FTC was told by courts did not have the power they believed they had, but they still claimed (and claim) they do. UA-cam's enforcement of the rules is their opinion, and they can treat it however they want. Faced with the possibility of the government rightly or wrongly complaining, they will usually choose the government's side unless there's another big player involved.
If influencers can continue to flip meme coins without disclosing anything, i dont even know what we are talking about. Clearly the ftc isnt watching any of this.
Sid I vaguely remember you saying that you were gunna get around to making gameplay content in the past is that still on the docket or is there a second channel for that stuff? I feel you continue to carry the torch in caring deeply for the games industry and I'd like to just see you play games every once in a while. Keep up the great work!
On twitter Bluedrake stated that he takes a brake from social media and promised his wife to get off social media and takes more time for the family for the time being.
And for those of us who are partly, or fully deaf, and the closed captions AI don't catch that or mishears it and types something else? or video doesn't have captions at all?
@@Sporxz Untrue, if you read the rules in the video. Got to Disclose it both VISUALLY and AUDIOABLY, the OP originally thought they only had to audioably disclose it. That is NOT true nor legal, as was pointed out in this video. Specially for people like me, who is half deaf, or other people who are fully deaf, or situations where normal hearing people watch without audio. That is why it must be disclosed BOTH, with Audio AND Visually, not JUST Audio, like the OP thought.
To elaborate of youtube's setting for disclosure, many adblocks block the "Includes paid promotion" thing from ever appearing, so it's likely that many viewers won't see it if it's the only way sponsorship was disclosed.
Bluedrake42 had also wrongfully banned a user from his 'cord who was begging for help because they accurately stated teardownmods had a corrupted database and had become infested with spammers.
One I wonder about sometimes with sponsors is international legality, specifically keeps requiring a prescription and it being illegal to advertise prescription drugs in most of the world…
the SAO Abridge cut-in got me weak i could feel where my ghallbladder used to be lmfao. But lets be real here this entire scenario is a "call is coming from within the house" situation, probs a piggy back effect from his failed little AI attempt. its pathetic, gross, and childish honestly.
@@4nchoragepingu887 I have absolutely no clue. I haven't Subscribed to him so can't say but just going by what Sid say and show here in this video then yeah..
@@4nchoragepingu887 He decided to become a game developer and everything were downhill from there. It like he forgotten the person he use to be and now his channel is nothing more than slop.
Imma be honest, just saying Bluedrake42 is a fan of AI already puts him on the "I will not believe anything you say unless I can source it from somewhere else first" levels of distrust.
I mean,,, if you have an ad in your video, you should absolutely disclose it, regardless if your contract is affirmed or not, as if it was affirmed. It's there for the viewers, who has no idea about the contracts.
This isn't the first time BD42 has pulled something like this, most of his subs came from rage bait videos and clickbait garbage which is why he can weaponize them.
He couldn't weaponize anything most of the people on his comments where telling him how much of a clown he was being. There is a lot of crossover between subscribers of bigfry and bluedrake and people know bigfry does good work, good reviews, etc
BD42 when someone uses assets they stole from him: “He can’t do that! That’s illegal!” BD42 when he uses Gen AI programs that steal from thousands of creators: “Dis is DA FYOOCHURR!”
in blue's second video he does a whole lot of saying his point, bringing up the start of bigfry's counter, and then saying "the rest of what he says doesnt matter because hes wrong and hes lying"
Never liked bluedrake and been longtime fan of bigfry, so i might be coloured here. But i have this to say: Why the f is bluedrake doing this?? What does this matter have to do with him, what is he getting out of it... This feels like him just trying to throw shade because he hates bigfry?? Am i missing something here??
Watched bigfry for a long time and never liked Bluedrake myself, but Fry has some reaching a lot more recently than he used too. A lot of speculations instead of the way he used to be, with good information and little speculation.
Imagine weaponizing your community to destroy someone else their career over something you did wrong yourself while this person in question didn't do anything against the rules. Btw, Bluedrake made another video and claims he has more evidence send to SidAlpha, he also keeps saying Bigfry did something wrong. Wondering if we will see a change in opinion from Sid after the newly presented evidence.
I've actually been in touch with BlueDrake and sadly... don't have the best experiences with the guy. So no surprise he's now only tunnelling on BigFry really. Not saying BigFry is a good guy, don't know the guy well enough to make a conclusion on that.
The real question I have is if the FTC regulations apply to political brands. ie, politicians paying for endorcements. Because that would be very interesting to find out.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot after barely recovering from the hospital (his botched AI channel). BlueDrake is definitely a master of something, just not what he thinks it is.
So to all the bluedrake fans out here taking his side i got a question for ya so since according to yall bigfry is wrong for not disclosing potential deals when is bluedrake going to disclous every potential sponsorship his company was going to give to a influencer over the years? When is bluedrake going to disclose every single potential sponsorship he has had since his channel started?
@amalekedomite name a single person who discloses every potential sponsorship in any industry? Such a dumb take no I'm not biased cuz i am considering a potential sponsorship it's sad you think otherwise if you go around telling everyone all the details of anyone who thinks about doing buissness with you your not gonna get many buissness partners in the future And outside of naming i want sources should be very easy to pull up if this is a real thing like you claim Let's take it a step further name a single person the ftc has gone after for not disclosing potential partnerships
Thanks for laying out the fact Sid as usual. It seems the main issue Bluedrake has with BigFry is that once BigFry got the sponsorship deal approved, Bluedrake wants BigFry to disclose the deal in every video and tweet he publishes, even if it's not a sponsored one.
I always had a off feeling about blue drake, once when he literally linked mods he didnt create to his website that then just redirected you to the actual website and again when he overblown what operation hash doorstop can do at the time. Also those clickbait ahh titles
I don't watch either of them anymore because they focus on early access slop. Gimme a good full 1.0 released game and maybe I'll be interested. I don't care for early access anymore, they simply can't be trusted... Never really liked BigfryTV, and never really cared for Bluedrake42...
Blue drake was good guy once at least by his righteous anger against unjust infringement on his projects. But now he is devolving into turd sandwich contest with some schmuck and going mental. Dafuq
Thanks for compiling a video to make sense of all this petty and senseless drama. I really did not want to watch the hours of content from both sides on this.
Another thing I haven't seen people talking about is, if any streamer is required, as soon as any negotiations are started, to disclose that, "I'm currently in negotiations to do an ad read for this company..." how many companies would simply stop doing business with streamers due to that forced disclosure? Businesses reach out to influencers all the time and negotiations fail all the time, but now every time a company starts negotiations a streamer is going to tell everyone, "Hey, this company is possibly paying me!" which could lead to other competitors of that company to either try to snipe that streamer to read for them first, or just refuse to work with that streamer at all in an attempt to secure a different market. It's basically forcing a company to disclose their marketing strategy to everyone before it's even complete.
Bluedrake's personality was shown when Bigfry pulled up the DMs. Where Bigfry calls him out for using phrasing like "been following this studio" when his company is working with them and Bluedrake's immediate response starts with "so the funny thing is". If you call someone out for some shady shit and the first thing out of their mouth is "so the funny thing is", they're about to attempt to weasel their way out of accountability. Happens every time. I think Blue needs to step away from the internet and reevaluate his choices. Dude clearly isn't in a good place mentally and he's not making himself look better by bringing up stuff from the past where Bigfry has always been transparent and above-board, yet Blue, himself, has done multiple shady things in the past and refused to take accountability or corrective action. This definitely didn't go the way he thought it would lol
@amalekedomite What game was it? And what do you mean when you say "shilled"? What video was it? Be direct. Because if you want to be very vague about some allegedly shady thing Bigfry has done, then I can point out multiple accounts with concrete evidence of Blue definitely doing shady stuff. They're in this video you're coping about
as always, I enjoyed your video, and as always my ADHD hated your video :P one interesting thing I noticed, I found it easier to concentrate when it was just on your splash screen at the end, even though it was a static image
7:58 so Blue doesn’t pay attention to Sponsors before? This isn’t just BigFry, every single UA-cam Channel does Sponsor (usually closed Partnerships). Wont be surprised if this whole “problem” be another Stupid unnecessary Drama that happens often
@ if it’s a “crime” then where’s the Report? Where’s the FTC? We literally have seen what FTC will do when it comes to crime *Cough* UA-cam Sued to high Hell *cough cough*
This is a bit of a weird one. For starters I think the two (combining both of BlueDrake's failures into 1) situations should be considered separately. Did BlueDrake fail to disclose business ties to his audience for things he was promoting. Yes. He did, and should be held accountable for it. Does that mean he shouldn't call other out for that same failings? No, not at all. This is something that he failed on years ago, and is not currently (to my knowledge) failing on. If he was still failing to disclose business ties to current products he was promoting, then yes it is 100% hypocritical (and illegal). Having said all of that BigFryTV is NOT failing to disclose any business ties LEGALLY speaking. Ethically? It's a grey area. I personally think his video praising Arena Breakout should have mentioned somewhere that he was in talks with the company with regards to a sponsorship. As like it or not being in talks with a company about a sponsorship, does tint your review of their product however minor, even if that sponsorship hasn't been approved yet. And it provides a great deal of trust with his audience, especially considering his content and audience.
Not all "talks" can be disclosed at the time they are happening. Often times companies want to keep that on the DL, in case something falls through(from either party) and the talks end up going nowhere. Then neither side is on the hook. I speak from personal experience on this.
So basically Bluedrake is butt hurt and wanted to capitalize in what was apparently a mistake on BF. But at the end the mistake never existed and now Bluedrake is double butt hurt... reminds me of that one kid at school that was the only one that did the assignment only to find out that he did it wrong...
This is all pretty rich coming from Bluedrake, the guy that shill some of the most outrageous Steam slop scams as "ThE NeXt BiG ThInG iN GaMiNg" and never discloses that he's being sponsored by/in relationship with said scams. Not to mention OP Harsh doorstop being a scam itself.
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for both of them and I thought their friendship ment something as both of them were trying to make games that lived up to their own standards but I guess thia is just how things are now
Very informative and cut out all the unnecessary bits to leave just the facts. Thanks! Really don't know why Blue did this, it's really soured any respect I had left for him
thats why i love sid, well that and he has the voice for this type of video lol. he cutys the fat and gives us the meat of the situations in most if not all his videos
This is fucking awful. I subscribed to both of them recently, like their content, and I'm sad that the two of them aren't at odds with each other. Tired of UA-cam drama in the tactical shooter space.
Remember, all big creators have sponsors, if they play or recommend "next big game" 99.9% of the time they were paid to do so. Even if they say they are not. Even if it's their real opinion.
Sponsorship was pre full release and the understanding of how pay to win the game was. Its also slightly different than Tarkov, being a free game vs Tarkov where you buy the game and then buy the outrageously priced add ons. After ABI went pay to win BigFry called him out for it. I dont always agree with the guy, but credit where due.
@DaJman99 This is not the case. They already had a mobile version and did say they will have monetization. Plus their history with games made it obvious - a man that reports on games should know better. Still, it was a great game before monetization.
@@UltimatePerfectionyeah idk why blue thinks that taking a single 60 second ad read makes you a corporate drone for the company where nothing negative can be said about them 🤷♂️
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Incursion ed River video ► ua-cam.com/video/Bq2nb6T4EH4/v-deo.html
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BigFryTV literally just went live about the Bluedrake42 situation only for you to drop a video about the same situation minutes later. Crazy.
These guys have some level of coordination.
@@cynicalcitizen8315Bigfry saw Sid Alpha join his chat and was asking when/if a video was gonna drop about this 😂 this was perfect timing on Sid's part
The situation of the situation
I’m here from there, sub💯
That SAO abridged clip threw me off a cliff, was wholly not prepared for that.
I like how Bluedrake kept repeating how BigFry banned him from commenting eventho Bluedrake bans people from commenting all the time over trivial stuff including me when I commented about some game he was covering being terrible lol, it was the most upvoted comment and he straight up blocked me. Bluedrake will probably read these comments so hi bluedrake
BigFry did the same exact thing to me awhile back, not much new there I'm afraid. You can dislike a viewer's comment all you want, but proceeding to act like a man child is the bigger kick in the face over handling it properly. Oh well.
I got so thrown off by the sao abridged throw in and laughed hard. Genuinely surprised you know that one, but thank you for the laugh.
SAO Abridged is better than SAO. No lie.
@@SidAlphaUA-cam used to be covered in ads for SAO 😞
It really was better. Exclamation Point has 2 videos about how and why it is better, for those interested.
I remember TB making a video VERY similar to this a long time ago. Thank you for picking up the torch. It's sad that this has to be covered from scratch all over again.
I never liked how Bludrake would hype up a game or mod being the best there is, yap about it, and have you download it from his site instead of the mod author's. It's a thing for years and I'm glad he's finally getting smacked.
Yup annoying asf and clickbait as f to push traffic to his shit.
@ This game is the best there is, also check my game, a half-baked, unoptimized Unreal Engine 4 Battlefield 2 clone with modding support.
After Bluedrake pushed his game Operation Harsh Doorstop, I stopped paying attention to him. The game had no content and was basically expecting players to do the work for him
I 100% understand what you're saying, and I agree that game sucked. But he always only claimed it was pretty much a modding platform for players. The game was even made pretty much by volunteer devs. He never claimed it to be anything more.
Operation Harsh Doorstop is HIS game.
@@fatrat92it's also really bad.
@@yolobathsalts It's not a bad game, but bad is subjective
@@fatrat92 is barebones and he expects his players to do all the work.
Bad game is bad.
I used to subscribe to both of 'em... been a long time since then. Not a fan of either anymore. Both claim to be critical of a lot of bad things happening in the gaming industry, yet both often end up shilling for games and game developers that happen to give them benefits either directly through sponsorships or indirectly through other means. Both hypocrites in their own right. Not a fan of disingenuous behavior, especially from folks that claim to be on a higher ground than the rest of us.
Love your videos brother. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Watching this unfold from the start Bluedrake switched from his OG coverage to covering every game going "game is going to change the world, end food hunger etc etc" it's all clickbait bs, he's getting desperate.
Reckon Bigfry might have a point in that Bluedrake needs professional help and seeing it is the first step so I hope he admits it to himself instead of throwing rocks at others.
I was not expecting the SAO abridged reference lmao. well played
was going to say the same thing!
heartwarming: the worst person you know finally has a legitimate reason to be hated
I always enjoy Sid's yearly upload.
This is why it's best to only do sponsorships unrelated to your content... So their is *NO* bias.
So many independent UA-camr's cover games news and actually do good work but the second a Raid Shadow Legends or World of Tanks sponsorship ad pops-up they are just burnt.
Which is also partly why I almost never do sponsorships and also how my channel will never earn enough to be considered a "living". I ignore well over a dozen offers per week even now because I don't do gaming sponsorships. EXCEPT, one of these days I WILL manage to get a "Dirty Devs RAID Shadow Legends SPONSORED by RAID Shadow Legends" because that would just be frigging hilarious.
@@SidAlphahonor sir. You have truly surpassed mere mercenaries and became loyalist of cause.
youtube is full of mercs. At least you were consistency wise very adamant from beginning to end.
No wonder you play battletech animation theme that is story of loyalists, not mercs.
I feel the same way. Any "gamer" who pushes some garbage like RAID has no love for the industry.
If potential deals was all that was required, then every dirty dev would just send "ad offers" to people likely to call them out. Would make their call outs have a different meaning if they have to admit they have a financial connection to the one they're calling out.
This whole situation just didnt need to be public whatsoever. Why end a friendship over this?
bluedrake is a guy i never really disliked but he always came off as very arrogant with how he constantly hyped up operation harsh doorstop as 'the next big thing that'll change the FPS landscape'
Agree, also the fact that he hides developer updates for operation harsh doorstop like regular videos
i cant wait until bigfry releaes his game so everyone can trash it like he does to every other game.
As a subscriber of Bluedrake 42, thank you for making this video. Having gone back and checked, your statements are accurate and have been eye-opening,
Well, probably former subscriber now. Certainly going to subscribe to you, now, though
you need your subscription to something huh
what a sheep
"Whoever wins, we lose"
what a weird hill for drake to choose to die on. :(
I think that the situation with the first video, while the ad read was still up in the air, was less cut-and-dry than either Sid or Bluedrake42 acknowledges. There clearly is a relationship at the point where the ad read is pending. How solid of a relationship that is would be something Sid is much better positioned to weigh in on than I am, but how solid it needs to be for disclosure to become advisable is, to some degree, a value judgement. I would err on the side of disclosure, but I admit the limits of my own knowledge and I think that reasonable minds can differ on this issue. So, I think it becomes a much more forgivable situation even if (and I’m not taking a position on this) BigFry got it wrong. I’ll echo what others have said: this seems like an odd hill to die on for Bluedrake42. Maybe this is something that causes a little extra scrutiny on BigFry’s sponsorship disclosures going forward, but this is sure as hell no a “got’ya” situation.
I haven't listened or watched BlueDrake42 in a very long time. I had no clue he wanted to make a channel solely based on AI. WHAT? Who in their right mind would ever think thats a good idea?
I remember when the internet tarnished Downward Thrust's reputation of just copying and pasting opinions of Redditors and other UA-camrs rather than creating his own opinions. Why would you think having a channel based around an AI giving its "opinions" on things is a good idea?
Only need to look at YT'ers like Kwebbelkop (Unless he somehow pulled his head of of his AI persona's ass). Dude is head deep into AI with let's play channels run almost exclusively by AI and even trying to sell it to other people so they can make their own AI run slop channels. Just trying to take all the humanity out of content creation which is just plain sad really.
I can understand maybe using AI to help with the process but don't make it the entire focus of your channel.
I’ve always hated bluedrake, could never explain why, now I can(I haven’t finished this video yet)
Bluedrake is just known for overhyping bare bones crap games just for his own profit for his website. I’m just glad to see people are finally calling him out for how scummy he is
hated both of them for the longest time, they cater to the "holier than thou" crowd of gamers who think they're smart but are actually just slightly smarter sheep. Bigfry has 0 due diligence for his reporting and Bluedrake is a narcissistic idiot who does not know how to make a good game and his fame comes from copying the flashy aspects of popular games poorly
Yeah, that’s why I stopped watching Fritinga plays. He said he hated console fanboys / console peasants but only ever harped on Sony/PlayStation. Very few times Xbox. But never Nintendo ones.
And his fans in comments are way worse. I’ve had my avatar pic for awhile and too lazy/didn’t care to change it. But also I love to see hypocritical PC Fanboys. Like his fans, get big mad about it. They said that idk what I was talking about and no right to say PC gaming was good bc I had a PS Avatar.
See…what they don’t get is, PC Fanboys are just as bad as Console Fanboys.
Also, don’t forget about Blue and his 10-15 videos titled: “this new game is so amazing and FREE!”, “How is NO ONE talking about this FREE game?”
And all they were wee Battlefield 3 mods. Someone else pointed that out in a video and his fanboys descended upon him. Defending their Savior.
This is the only fairest comment of this video's whole comment section, and I'm glad I found and read it.
And I'm just like you too where I just don't jump into picking sides (and rather watch these youtuber vs youtuber dramas with popcorn), the only dfference between us tho- is that I don't hate them nor liking them for my own sake (so that I dodge to bullet of the plot twist happening soon)
I know a point of Drake's reference was about "if you take sponsorship and talk about it, you need to talk about it forever!" but that is so incresibly bad faith. It says that you can never enjoy the thing you are sponsored by. Drake's peojection is a total joke, and he does need mental help.
Have you heard about the potential Mojang lawsuit over the Minecraft EULA?
Never been a fan of Bluedrake42. He talks like he knows a lot about game development but until he formed a team he just showcased other people's assets. Now he showcases his team's work while still sounding extremely ignorant of the technology. Marketing people who pretend to understand tech get under my skin.
I had no idea Bluedrake42 was at one point apart of Incursion Red River's development process, only that he did some cross promotion with his game Operation Harsh Doorstop. The only problem i have with BigfryTV right now is that he called The Forever Winter a bad game when he outright played it wrong and that seems to be something he does often with games he plays judging from his comments section
Personally that game looked extremely boring. He made a video that tried to "play it correctly" and it still looked extremely boring. There is almost no gameplay loop.
To be fair The Forever Winter is a disposable FOMO game that will be totally forgotten in three months so who cares if he "played it wrong." The only time I can see this argument working is if Big fry complains that people aren't playing his game right and are criticizing it. Ultimately games are made to reward many types of ways to play. The Forever Winter is extremely shallow
I was waiting for you to chime in on this. I didn't know there was a falling out between them. Good to hear from someone with an "insiders" perspective.
You can make the argument that BigFry would go easy on Arena because he didn’t want to endanger the sponsor negotiations. However, it’s bad form to publicly talk about negotiations. Legally he’s fine, ethically I would have liked to BigFry to say something but understand why he didn’t, and he still should pin a comment under the Arena video saying he got sponsored later but the video is still his opinion.
Considering Bluedrake is reaching CS Lotto levels of illegal, he should not casting stones here.
"He claims he didn't know"??
What, that his own company made the game?
BlackSite does the marketing for the games and I think some consulting, they're not necessarily part of the development process I believe.
This is not an argument about who or what is right, but it is important context:
FTC Guidelines, despite what everyone thinks, are not a law. In fact, they are the FTC's opinion on how they will attempt to enforce their power under law, or power they believe that they have. An organization like the FTC is not the Judge and Jury, they are the executive branch. They made these rules up but not the law, and their interpretation of the law (or even the laws themselves) could fail under judicial scrutiny.
It is the same as how the FTC has attempted to enforce Antitrist/Monopoly rules they claim are broken. They must prove it in court, but have repeatedly lost in court in the last several years. The FTC was told by courts did not have the power they believed they had, but they still claimed (and claim) they do.
UA-cam's enforcement of the rules is their opinion, and they can treat it however they want. Faced with the possibility of the government rightly or wrongly complaining, they will usually choose the government's side unless there's another big player involved.
If influencers can continue to flip meme coins without disclosing anything, i dont even know what we are talking about. Clearly the ftc isnt watching any of this.
Sid I vaguely remember you saying that you were gunna get around to making gameplay content in the past is that still on the docket or is there a second channel for that stuff? I feel you continue to carry the torch in caring deeply for the games industry and I'd like to just see you play games every once in a while.
Keep up the great work!
Never watched BlueDrake, and hearing that he tried to sic his followers on another content creature is just so low I will now actively avoid him :)
Bluedrake needs help. He's not mentally well, he needs to get off social, off the internet and try to get himself in order.
On twitter Bluedrake stated that he takes a brake from social media and promised his wife to get off social media and takes more time for the family for the time being.
But he always states he takes breaks and ends up doing the same thing 🤷♂️
Now I want to rewatch SAO abridged
I always thought them saying “hey this video is sponsored by these people” was enough of a disclosure.
And for those of us who are partly, or fully deaf, and the closed captions AI don't catch that or mishears it and types something else? or video doesn't have captions at all?
@@Jirodyneyes bc they disclosed it.
@@Sporxz Untrue, if you read the rules in the video. Got to Disclose it both VISUALLY and AUDIOABLY, the OP originally thought they only had to audioably disclose it. That is NOT true nor legal, as was pointed out in this video. Specially for people like me, who is half deaf, or other people who are fully deaf, or situations where normal hearing people watch without audio. That is why it must be disclosed BOTH, with Audio AND Visually, not JUST Audio, like the OP thought.
Ok, excellent SAOA usage 14:28
Bluedrake42 is his own worst enemy. It’s a shame, there are some good things he has done, but he is tarnishing his own image with all these missteps.
To elaborate of youtube's setting for disclosure, many adblocks block the "Includes paid promotion" thing from ever appearing, so it's likely that many viewers won't see it if it's the only way sponsorship was disclosed.
We got schizophrenic Blue Drake lore before GTA 6
Ads played during this video (for me):
00:00 -> Delta Force
14:27 -> Arena Breakout Infinite
Talk about algorithms, uh?
Bluedrake42 had also wrongfully banned a user from his 'cord who was begging for help because they accurately stated teardownmods had a corrupted database and had become infested with spammers.
One I wonder about sometimes with sponsors is international legality, specifically keeps requiring a prescription and it being illegal to advertise prescription drugs in most of the world…
the SAO Abridge cut-in got me weak i could feel where my ghallbladder used to be lmfao. But lets be real here this entire scenario is a "call is coming from within the house" situation, probs a piggy back effect from his failed little AI attempt. its pathetic, gross, and childish honestly.
To be honest sounds like BlueDrake42 have some massive issues here in this one to be quite honest.
Wtf happened to him tho? exactly he was once on the 100% righteous side but now hes flinging turd for absolutely lame reasons.
@@4nchoragepingu887 I have absolutely no clue. I haven't Subscribed to him so can't say but just going by what Sid say and show here in this video then yeah..
@@4nchoragepingu887 He decided to become a game developer and everything were downhill from there. It like he forgotten the person he use to be and now his channel is nothing more than slop.
"Like the Major always says: Information is ammunition."
Imma be honest, just saying Bluedrake42 is a fan of AI already puts him on the "I will not believe anything you say unless I can source it from somewhere else first" levels of distrust.
I mean,,, if you have an ad in your video, you should absolutely disclose it, regardless if your contract is affirmed or not, as if it was affirmed. It's there for the viewers, who has no idea about the contracts.
Sure but Bluedrake acting like BigFry just started the second holocaust or something lmao.
This isn't the first time BD42 has pulled something like this, most of his subs came from rage bait videos and clickbait garbage which is why he can weaponize them.
He couldn't weaponize anything most of the people on his comments where telling him how much of a clown he was being. There is a lot of crossover between subscribers of bigfry and bluedrake and people know bigfry does good work, good reviews, etc
BD42 when someone uses assets they stole from him: “He can’t do that! That’s illegal!”
BD42 when he uses Gen AI programs that steal from thousands of creators: “Dis is DA FYOOCHURR!”
Being inspired by something doesn't mean you stole it.
@ I don’t think you know how gen ai works
in blue's second video he does a whole lot of saying his point, bringing up the start of bigfry's counter, and then saying "the rest of what he says doesnt matter because hes wrong and hes lying"
God I love SAOA. Great vid and great taste.
Will you be making a video on Mojang and their EULA controversy?
Bluedrake out here hallucinating more than his own garbage AI tools
What's your thoughts on Acerthorn's lawsuit against you being dismissed with prejudice recently?
I was wondering what happened with that
Odds are that's gonna end up another Jim Sterling vs. Digital Homicide sized video....And I've got a truckload of popcorn waiting for that video 😂
Most, if not all of Acerthorn's recent lawsuits were dismissed with prejudice, now that I remember it all.
@Khasym i still go back to that vid every now and then to enjoy how a massive fool just couldn't stop being a idiot the entire time
bluedrake needs to take a damn chill pill as of late
Never liked bluedrake and been longtime fan of bigfry, so i might be coloured here. But i have this to say:
Why the f is bluedrake doing this?? What does this matter have to do with him, what is he getting out of it... This feels like him just trying to throw shade because he hates bigfry?? Am i missing something here??
Watched bigfry for a long time and never liked Bluedrake myself, but Fry has some reaching a lot more recently than he used too. A lot of speculations instead of the way he used to be, with good information and little speculation.
Imagine weaponizing your community to destroy someone else their career over something you did wrong yourself while this person in question didn't do anything against the rules.
Btw, Bluedrake made another video and claims he has more evidence send to SidAlpha, he also keeps saying Bigfry did something wrong. Wondering if we will see a change in opinion from Sid after the newly presented evidence.
I'll bet you 10 Internet Cred that there is no evidence.
I think BD is full of bs and he's probably going to get sued for defamation lol
If this is the video from yesterday, BigFry has covered it on his channel. Its nonsense evidence.
I've actually been in touch with BlueDrake and sadly... don't have the best experiences with the guy. So no surprise he's now only tunnelling on BigFry really. Not saying BigFry is a good guy, don't know the guy well enough to make a conclusion on that.
The real question I have is if the FTC regulations apply to political brands. ie, politicians paying for endorcements. Because that would be very interesting to find out.
I believe there's an "exception" for political campaigns & promises.
Fry is Canadian so it doesn't even matter as far as this whole situation goes
This is a silly i’m going back to stalker call Pripyat
hell yeah! im currently playing Escape from Pripyat so much fun i uninstalled Stalker 2 wasn't worth the SSD space, at least another year or two
Looks like Bluedrake will be deleting another video 😂
Upon watching the video I noticed you pronounced Operation Harsh Dogshit wrong.
Pls dont say that or ill rant mindlessly on twitter how the industry hates our game
@armet1272 lmao 😂
I love the use of Sword art online abridged XD perfect scene!
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot after barely recovering from the hospital (his botched AI channel). BlueDrake is definitely a master of something, just not what he thinks it is.
this shit just sucks as a fan of both BlueDrake and BigFry... Sad to see BlueDrake crash out like this.
So to all the bluedrake fans out here taking his side i got a question for ya so since according to yall bigfry is wrong for not disclosing potential deals when is bluedrake going to disclous every potential sponsorship his company was going to give to a influencer over the years?
When is bluedrake going to disclose every single potential sponsorship he has had since his channel started?
Both are wrong and its sad that you think otherwise.
@amalekedomite name a single person who discloses every potential sponsorship in any industry? Such a dumb take no I'm not biased cuz i am considering a potential sponsorship it's sad you think otherwise if you go around telling everyone all the details of anyone who thinks about doing buissness with you your not gonna get many buissness partners in the future
And outside of naming i want sources should be very easy to pull up if this is a real thing like you claim
Let's take it a step further name a single person the ftc has gone after for not disclosing potential partnerships
I know, literally nothing about either of these guys but this entire thing seems entirely petty.
"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?" --Matthew 7:3
Your car insurance has expired, sir
Sid! You're one Hell of an Elocutionist. Good video, thank you.
Thanks for laying out the fact Sid as usual. It seems the main issue Bluedrake has with BigFry is that once BigFry got the sponsorship deal approved, Bluedrake wants BigFry to disclose the deal in every video and tweet he publishes, even if it's not a sponsored one.
Yes, because his coverage of any game can be biased based on potential future deals.
Algorithm food to help Sid alphas channel
I always had a off feeling about blue drake, once when he literally linked mods he didnt create to his website that then just redirected you to the actual website
and again when he overblown what operation hash doorstop can do at the time. Also those clickbait ahh titles
A snack for the algorithm.
I don't watch either of them anymore because they focus on early access slop.
Gimme a good full 1.0 released game and maybe I'll be interested. I don't care for early access anymore, they simply can't be trusted...
Never really liked BigfryTV, and never really cared for Bluedrake42...
I agree I don’t give a rats butt about any early access stuff because 95% it is usually trash or ends up failing and I skip over those kind of videos.
Blue drake was good guy once at least by his righteous anger against unjust infringement on his projects. But now he is devolving into turd sandwich contest with some schmuck and going mental.
Dafuq
I liked BigFry when he crapped on early access scams. He stopped doing that and I lost all interest.
@@vewyscawymonsta It was funny to watch those but the more serious videos about them put me to sleep cuz everyone knows the games are gonna be garbage
Awesome job Sid!
Thanks for compiling a video to make sense of all this petty and senseless drama. I really did not want to watch the hours of content from both sides on this.
i hope some day u made video about overcharged 2.0 Dev 👌👌🤞🤞
Another thing I haven't seen people talking about is, if any streamer is required, as soon as any negotiations are started, to disclose that, "I'm currently in negotiations to do an ad read for this company..." how many companies would simply stop doing business with streamers due to that forced disclosure? Businesses reach out to influencers all the time and negotiations fail all the time, but now every time a company starts negotiations a streamer is going to tell everyone, "Hey, this company is possibly paying me!" which could lead to other competitors of that company to either try to snipe that streamer to read for them first, or just refuse to work with that streamer at all in an attempt to secure a different market. It's basically forcing a company to disclose their marketing strategy to everyone before it's even complete.
Bluedrake's personality was shown when Bigfry pulled up the DMs. Where Bigfry calls him out for using phrasing like "been following this studio" when his company is working with them and Bluedrake's immediate response starts with "so the funny thing is".
If you call someone out for some shady shit and the first thing out of their mouth is "so the funny thing is", they're about to attempt to weasel their way out of accountability. Happens every time. I think Blue needs to step away from the internet and reevaluate his choices. Dude clearly isn't in a good place mentally and he's not making himself look better by bringing up stuff from the past where Bigfry has always been transparent and above-board, yet Blue, himself, has done multiple shady things in the past and refused to take accountability or corrective action. This definitely didn't go the way he thought it would lol
Remember when Bigfry shilled that chinese mobile fps game?
I do.
@amalekedomite What game was it? And what do you mean when you say "shilled"? What video was it? Be direct. Because if you want to be very vague about some allegedly shady thing Bigfry has done, then I can point out multiple accounts with concrete evidence of Blue definitely doing shady stuff.
They're in this video you're coping about
as always, I enjoyed your video, and as always my ADHD hated your video :P
one interesting thing I noticed, I found it easier to concentrate when it was just on your splash screen at the end, even though it was a static image
7:58 so Blue doesn’t pay attention to Sponsors before? This isn’t just BigFry, every single UA-cam Channel does Sponsor (usually closed Partnerships). Wont be surprised if this whole “problem” be another Stupid unnecessary Drama that happens often
its not the sponsor itself thats the issue, its not DISCLOSING that you are being sponsored that is the problem(its literally a crime)
@ if it’s a “crime” then where’s the Report? Where’s the FTC?
We literally have seen what FTC will do when it comes to crime *Cough* UA-cam Sued to high Hell *cough cough*
14:28 The SAO abridged usage is peak usage 100%, thank you lol
Might need to check this out after that scene xD
@@The_Red_Scare it's worth the watch.
This is a bit of a weird one. For starters I think the two (combining both of BlueDrake's failures into 1) situations should be considered separately. Did BlueDrake fail to disclose business ties to his audience for things he was promoting. Yes. He did, and should be held accountable for it. Does that mean he shouldn't call other out for that same failings? No, not at all. This is something that he failed on years ago, and is not currently (to my knowledge) failing on. If he was still failing to disclose business ties to current products he was promoting, then yes it is 100% hypocritical (and illegal).
Having said all of that BigFryTV is NOT failing to disclose any business ties LEGALLY speaking. Ethically? It's a grey area. I personally think his video praising Arena Breakout should have mentioned somewhere that he was in talks with the company with regards to a sponsorship. As like it or not being in talks with a company about a sponsorship, does tint your review of their product however minor, even if that sponsorship hasn't been approved yet. And it provides a great deal of trust with his audience, especially considering his content and audience.
Not all "talks" can be disclosed at the time they are happening. Often times companies want to keep that on the DL, in case something falls through(from either party) and the talks end up going nowhere. Then neither side is on the hook. I speak from personal experience on this.
@@TrexelCat That's why recusal is a thing.
Glass houses and all that.
Was not expecting SAOA Asuna... lol
So basically Bluedrake is butt hurt and wanted to capitalize in what was apparently a mistake on BF. But at the end the mistake never existed and now Bluedrake is double butt hurt... reminds me of that one kid at school that was the only one that did the assignment only to find out that he did it wrong...
He was butt hurt because BigFry publicly pointed out his shadiness and BlueDrake is a textbook manic narcissist, so that wasnt going to fly.
@DaJman99 at some point in the past, Blue was awesome to watch, but now, it's just sad.
Everyone I ask has never heard of bluedrake
This is all pretty rich coming from Bluedrake, the guy that shill some of the most outrageous Steam slop scams as "ThE NeXt BiG ThInG iN GaMiNg" and never discloses that he's being sponsored by/in relationship with said scams. Not to mention OP Harsh doorstop being a scam itself.
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for both of them and I thought their friendship ment something as both of them were trying to make games that lived up to their own standards but I guess thia is just how things are now
At this point Bluedrake has literally had beef with every single creator in the tactical shooter genre. Tells you all you need to know about him.
Very informative and cut out all the unnecessary bits to leave just the facts. Thanks!
Really don't know why Blue did this, it's really soured any respect I had left for him
thats why i love sid, well that and he has the voice for this type of video lol. he cutys the fat and gives us the meat of the situations in most if not all his videos
Fact exist. Only what happened matters. That is admirable harbingers virtue.
This is fucking awful. I subscribed to both of them recently, like their content, and I'm sad that the two of them aren't at odds with each other. Tired of UA-cam drama in the tactical shooter space.
Yeah, I followed BD52 when he was one of the few UA-camrs that covered Angels Fall First.
Remember, all big creators have sponsors, if they play or recommend "next big game" 99.9% of the time they were paid to do so. Even if they say they are not. Even if it's their real opinion.
Complaining about Tarkovs pay to win with a sponsor that makes pay to win games is wild.
Sponsorship was pre full release and the understanding of how pay to win the game was. Its also slightly different than Tarkov, being a free game vs Tarkov where you buy the game and then buy the outrageously priced add ons. After ABI went pay to win BigFry called him out for it. I dont always agree with the guy, but credit where due.
@DaJman99 This is not the case. They already had a mobile version and did say they will have monetization. Plus their history with games made it obvious - a man that reports on games should know better. Still, it was a great game before monetization.
Bluedrake has some serious ego problems
he also called them out when ABI went pay to win
Who? Bigfry or Bluedrake?
@@UltimatePerfection bigfry
@@donald925 Good to know that just because he got sponsored doesn't mean he won't call out stupid developers.
@@UltimatePerfectionyeah idk why blue thinks that taking a single 60 second ad read makes you a corporate drone for the company where nothing negative can be said about them 🤷♂️