always class i play get gutted started with sorc switched to druid and currenetly druid is worst class this current season ..hope that neew class is good or i might just quit the game hate being forced to play specific class to be usefull
The Sorc situation is embarassing. Ice Shards and all the other core skills need a huge buff and also a lot of aspects and legendaries need to be upgraded in order to make the class at least viable
@bravexheart7 sorcs were already the worst class for 99% of people in S4, and now it's catching nerfs to boot. Outside of immortal flame shield, sorc builds are all B tier at best even with ubers and high gear quality
I hate being forced to play a certain build in order to compete. Basically, you don't have options if you want to compete in the pit. I play a sorcerer,
and necro while you are at it, because with the nerfs they added shows they simply don't understand why most necro builds were using the Blighted Aspect across the board.
Can we please have more of this? Finally, content creators talking about how bad Sorcer is atm. They're not listening to the community, so hopefully, they'll listen to you guys.
@@Xionik watch how they will milk the new class on release, with overpowered sht.. then release a cosmetic for it same time... they will nerf it after people complains and once they hit the target sales
Dont bet on the chain lightning for sorc. Throwing all eggs in one basket once again. They did it with frozen orb in PTR was broken. Then Nerf to the ground. Same will happen with chain lighting in PTR.
WTF.... Whoever is in charge of balancing the Sorc class needs to be sacked and employ someone with balls to give the class some real power and not having to rely on cheese or broken potions to help them try to keep up with the neighbors....!!!!!!! While the other classes are living in Miami, the sorcs are just Trailer trash with new shoes...
Like 2 out of the 5 classes just don’t function properly. Druid and Sorc need quite a bit of help im shocked they touched Necro need minion AI to get corrected
Necro was never an S tier class. Strong B, and Season 4 it moved to A at best. The only classes that matter to Blizzard at this point is Barb and Rogue. Necro only as of this point having one potential meta build with bone spirit is crazy for season 5, but hey at least we get one meta build and our helltide farming blood builds can be used with minions because they will have a 3% chance to overpower increasing bloodmancer with minions gameplay by 2% overall. edit: the helltide farming build is a joke, because minions over powering is a big *shrug*. guess necros, sorcs and druids will all be playing the "Go stand next to a barb" build for season 5.
@@ezcoreg759 na Necro has some good builds it’s just they didn’t touch shadow mages etc to help them. Rogue’s victimize is double dipping all kinds of crazy place. Barb changes are kinda hard due to imo them having 4 weapons to add to stats. They changed hemorrhage to cap which is good I don’t know why they capped thunderstruck and changed shepards for Druid while nerfing rampaging werebeast like what?
At this point it feels like Blizzard is trolling sorc players. Apart from the Beta when they massively nerfed sorcerer and the ball lightning bug in Season 2 the disparity between between late game Sorc to other classes is so gigantic that it must mean that the people in charge of balancing are just looking at the player base of sorcerer, a lot of players still play it, and not hard data of late game performance and build variance.
My summoner necro could easily do 100nmd, and around 80 in the pits with mid grade gear without ever getting touched. It's like playing easy mode. Barb dust devil twin does the same but takes way more "effort" than my necro, so it is more fun to play. But I would easily call my necro the best overall. Flury rogue comes in 3rd. Firewall/bolt sorc is 4, and druid is so shitty, I haven't hit 100 yet to even bother getting gear, so it ranks last by a lot. Necro is just too easy, no special gear except the auto cast ring, no thinking involved, just run in circles and watch everything die.
No shit, it's ridiculous how good Barb has always been, but they get a slight nerf to freakin' lung capacity and barbs will cry about "being nerfed into the ground".
Oh god the ice armor nerf is huge, a mortal sorc currently heavily relies on it for defent barrier gen and it becoming a 1 time barrier will also make it fall off way faster thus nerfing manareg and damage vs chill/frozen aswell
Blizzard: Let’s cap some multiplayer for necro and sorc players: and the barb bleed ultimate passive that give billion of damage? Blizzard: that is fine
Those will be capped as well, even on Rogue. They figured out that caps are necessary but being a small indie company still didnt get to passives. They just finished paragon boards.
Why do they insist on shitting on sorcs…the one good build is from a bug…ffs they could nerf barb 30% and they’d still probably be top, horrid. Where are loadouts for gear, talents, and paragon? Tempering suggestion not even close to enough. And minor…but can we rework nightmare dungeon affixes and maybe add a carrot to do them? Feels bad when you swap builds and have to go back to level another glyph.
Thank god you are talking about it. That way maybe devs will listen. Its INSANE how sorcs just got nerfed again. "We hear you sorcs ans druiss!" - NERFS
for the druid i actually think those changes are very good, maybe not enough but very good. the pet meta was so annoying and made the druid really squishy by not having any defensive skills. the base damage buffs are not to shabby and in my eyes are way bigger than the nerfs they got. sorcs on the other hand seem to be doomed.
@@grasgruen84 in a way the changes are good. The class will have more variety and you arent forced to pets. But they havent really buffed druids so its still likely the worst or second worst class. The thing is that druid buss at the best break even with the nerfs, and to storm skills is a straight up nerf
Sorc is #1 class guaranteed .. there is zero shitters around when it comes to sorc season 5. If you think it’s going to be bad you have no idea how to make a build
@@bravexheart7 it’s not that they are actually bad… I don’t think any class is truly bad. but by comparison sake, yeah they are. Barb is so far ahead of the others it’s disgusting. And Druid is the most behind Like yeah, there are lots of sorc and Druid builds that’ll clear 101. Which is plenty enough for all the content in the game. But then you look at a braindead WW barb that can do the same difficulty content with worse gear and clear it 10x faster. Or the flag barb dealing hundreds of billions. By comparison to the barb, yeah everything else is bad
@@bravexheart7facts,all these cry babies crying about sorcerer. I have a lv100 flame wall build and it's my main build ATM. Maybe they are not as good at building characters or good at the game as they thought they were 😂.
@@bravexheart7 Sorc being #1 class is objectively untrue. And don't start talking about how 2 youtubers make sorc work. That has nothing to do with the average gaming experience in Diablo.
Sorcs next buff is turning them into one of the mercenaries, and removing them from being a playable class. They’re already on the power level of one of the mercenary companions lol WTF blizzard????
Sorc nerfs are tragic, but I wouldn't count out Flame armor just yet. You probably won't be able to get 100% uptime anymore, but Yen's blessing will actually work much better with flame shield than it does now (no more wasting procs). Ice Armor is basically useless now, the rework seems braindead at best. The biggest problem Sorc has right now is that so many of their core skills are tied to unique weapons, and it's not worth giving up tempering affixes to use them. Allowing a single tempering affix on uniques would fix a ton of problems imo.
Yeah, Blizzard... let's buff Barb where Flay is doing 1.500.000.000 bleeding dmg per second and can Rupture for 150.000.000.000 and let's nerf Necro and Druid - Hahahahahaha 9 (4 ravens, 2 creepers, 3 wolves) companions (with +1 companion) even on amulet (+20x% per companion) = 180x% damage and they just removed it - Hahahahahaha But they will buff skills by 2x% to compensate - Hahahahahaha. Necro and Sorc will also get nerfs - Hahaha. GG Blizzard. This is Barblo IV and not Diablo IV.
if i had to choose today, next season i will play chain lightning sorc. regardless of what is meta and/or “strongest” i have always had more fun playing sorc than anything so i am gonna stick to what i like instead of what i am “supposed to play.”
I mean theres a good chance that sorcs aren't selling as many cosmetics so they get nerfed into the ground and pooped on so yeah makes since people that like playing the class but not actually being able to enjoy the end game properly would play it.
I hope you are right but I dont believe they will make post PTR balance better or that they are actually listening to feedback very much. People have been complaining about druid/sorc(except flameweaver) being weak since season start, and yet the last patch happend with buffs only to strongest classes and builds. Seems to me that they simply dont understand the state of the game, and are only willing to buff druid after massive uproar. If enough people start screaming at them about sorc, they might do something, but not because they understand the game or listen, just because they dont want to be yelled at.
Call me tinfoil hat but I bet Barb and Rogue cosmetics sell and Sorc/Druid don't. Why? Beauty in Sin set for Rogue and Barb having a lot of badass looking sets. Meanwhile, how often have you heard people complain that male Sorc outfits are awful and people complain about Druids appearance in general? If you don't think this is absolutely a factor then you don't work in business.
Sorc has some pretty awesome sets. The frost one is super cool looking. They've also done a lot of booba tech w/ the Sorc paid armor so you'd think people would be into that. Lots of sideboob, underboob, etc.
The idiots can't figure out transmogs for the shapeshifter class. Give us volibear and VFX for animal forms. Who the hell plays human form druid ? I want the whales to purchase druids to get more by buffs
Do not agree here. Best cosmetics are by far Barbs, Sorcs and Necros. Rogue cosmetics are so silly for the most part with a few exceptions. Druid is the biggest loser in that game but to say that sorcs don’t get cool cosmetics is wrong imo.
It’s hard to say what next season will look like when they aren’t bringing the unique changes to the PTR. The affixes look like they are getting a massive improvement. The new ones they showed had some pretty massive affix values for just standard no GA 0/12 MW items
The more aspects and uniques that get added, the harder it will be for some people to get them. Played 50 hours with target farming and never saw some standard uniques even when getting to Pit 70-80 and lots doing lots of targeted boss runs. Some aspects I have only at low levels, because they don’t drop. So if you have a build that is unique dependent, and it doesn’t drop because the drop tables are more bloated, you could play 40-50 hours before even starting your build.
@@BremSterGames you’re supposed to build around the uniques you have. Problem is they aren’t worth building around. You shouldn’t expect to get any unique you want in the levelling process. It is really easy to get uniques in the endgame, its a non-issue. The bosses are super easy to target farm non Mythics
@@2052brad I would agree, if it wasn't for the fact that pretty much every build you see on any guide states "These items are mandatory." The expectation is that items will happen. Maxroll had (had?) some builds where their levelling builds started having mandatory uniques.
At tgis point they should have the Barb dev team do rotation to the other classes' desks. It looks like there are different teams for each class with little oversight on all of them together
They also need to make it so the best sorc builds don't play point blank melee range and are forced to do multi element. The class needs a top to bottom, fundamental rework
I get their reasoning with unique items changes, however I'm a bit concerned about them being too much build defining. For example, if devs leave sorc as it is and just give them overpowered uniques to compensate and make them playable, it will feel like you're being forced into a build and your (player) choices - skill tree, paragon board setup, etc - will be less impactful than just equipping unique with good rolls. I hope they review this and make baseline class work well enough for uniques to be a strong, but just a complementary option.
At this point they could make Dark Shroud a class mechanic and create a new skill. Not really keen about being forced to spend skill points cause you always use it.
I've watched a few videos and heard it a few times. There was never anything wrong with uncapped scaling. It isn't uncapped, your gear has caps. Just balance them. Now it's another stat you auto-cap while gearing without any thought and promptly forget about. It was an unnecessary reduction in build identity.
Having mained barb until now and just discovering ytd how fun and strong rogue is, this pleases me. I've bought 5 armor sets for sorc in the hopes that they'll finally get buffed, RIP wallet and sorc.
Blizzard needs to have 1 dev be an absolute expert in every class. Its still very clear they dont understand how these classes actually work and just buff/nerf shit randomly
You don't think that minions being able to Overpower is a big deal? I'm with Rax on that change, along with them being much more aggressive and automatically attacking nearby enemies - absolutely massive QoL buff. I think the things I'm most excited for are Chain Lightning and Arrow Storm, but I also wanna note that they are buffing the Stealth stuff too so that alongside the Shadowstep buffs might actually make the Sneak Attack build viable at last.
@@ryan_gaming_hub ye its funny and jokes but some ppl hate being forced to play a boring class like barb to actually be usefull its just bad for the game when game is in pretty shit stop already
@@DejvidR6 bro, I only play sorc or necro, I did one charecter to test Barb this season, a lvl 40 barb with tempered recipe was able to get to World tier 4 and massacre upto t35 NM dungeon. I ABSOLUTELY HATE barb as a class, it's boring AF zero brain needed, just press button kill shit. At this point I stopped caring about this game, devs have no clue as to what's going on, they pulling balance out of their pants. Like the new unique that they showed on stream, LIKE WHY THE SPECIFIC 66 MANA needs to be drained? You get it ? It's 66 as in smaller 666, there's no way 66 Mana drained per chain lightning is something you can sustain with 100 max mana. 🤣🤣🤣 That's why I say blizzard devs are a joke. If anything sorc will get better on expansion, maybe specific abilities to bring them up which will be locked to the expansion, which again will be pay for power. By then I'll quit game and start playing Poe 2 🌝
Druid Cataclysm hasn't gotten just a new aspect, it's an actual Unique item, it's good to mention because this means it will lock a specific slot in your build for this specific Unique gloves
Why does Blizzard hate sorcerer so .much? I've been.playing frozen orb and it's fine until....You want to hit bosses which is the only thing to do at the end of the game.
Heartseeker Arrow Storm is already a fun build... if only Blizzard actually made "Arrow Storm" effect a marksman skill mechanically. Then it would be able to actually scale more than just crit/vuln/CC'd damage. It's basically just a Heartseeker build but you put both Arrow Storms and Vengeful on bow/amulet, and it melts everything while leveling. Not sure about the endgame, but so far bloodtide maidens just get melted down, not to mention the storms last for 3 seconds so the mobs spawning in immediately get burned down. The only problem with the build is that since Arrow Storm is already a lucky hit only effect, it can't proc more lucky hit effects - which means you freeze less, heal less, etc. I was really hoping they'd give it baseline lucky hit chance like they did with grenades. Not sure if the new Iron Rain aspect will be worth taking or we'd still be using Accursed Touch, cause it doesn't really directly buff arrow storms. The buff to maximum Arrow Storms is NOT enough if they want to make the build work past the leveling phase though. 7 Arrow Storms cap is quite low, especially with it's scuffed scaling. Could've at least made proccing Arrow Storm reduce the CD of Rain of Arrows by 0.5-1sec, since Hakan looks to be a go in S5.
Are you kidding me? I just got to the flurry changes and immediately came here to both complain and see if others are. I just made a flurry rogue and it’s the first time I’ve been having legitimate fun in the game, and they’re taking away the 12% heal and +vulnerable to all?! I felt invincible and unstoppable! Unless I’m missing something, they just completely ruined flurry. I was looking forward to victimize+vulnerable huge packs of mobs. Sure you can stack lucky hit and other effects to hopefully proc vulnerability, but there was nothing quite like one puncture+one flurry=everything is vulnerabile plus huge heals (not to mention ‘countering smoke grenades cool down’ change). I don’t want a ‘dash/heal mechanic,’ I’m standing still and flurry’ing! I already have a dash and if I’m dashing into battle I more than likely have full health; if not, the current mechanic can not only replenish me but sustain me throughout the battle (and if I’m dashing out I don’t need the flurry). You basically have to get the new ‘second wind’ for the barrier effect. I really hope I’m missing something here. Also, I don’t even rock bow builds really, but the windforce change from lucky hit to barrage seems ridiculous. I assume it was good for heart seeker builds and is now massively useless for them.
You're going from standing in a group of mobs applying vulnerability with 100% success rate (after only using one skill) *and* getting 12% life every use to a *chance through lucky hit* to apply vulnerability and a *dash* mechanic getting 10%. You don't dash with flurry. You dash with dash then you *stand still and flurry.* You don't want a chance to apply vulnerability where the 4th attack applies vulnerability to half the group. You want the first flurry to apply it to *everyone* and all other attacks to refresh it repeatedly. Barrier mechanics are weak, 3 seconds is too short and the rogue doesn't have increased barrier length nodes like the Sorc does, but this is likely going to be your survivability node, not the dash heal; dash heal is useless. Mark my words, we're going to be losing health and dashing to the other side of the mob group while half the enemies are vulnerable preventing massive victimize procs. 50% damage increase does not compare to 40% aoe explosions proc'ing off of every enemy. Say group of 10 mobs and you do 100 damage: New: 150 damage to everyone (after working up to it) Old: 100 damage to everyone plus 40x10=400aoe damage. The new style has too low vulnerable application rates to be considered useful for victimize. Again, unless I'm missing something, I can't believe everyone is saying these are good changes.
If they would buff Barrage, life would be good. 15M Crits are nice, but when other classes are doing 100M crits, it’s depressing. I feel like barrage rogue is the only setup that actually feels like you’re playing a video game with imbuements, dashing, setting traps, etc.
As a Sorc only player, looks like S5 will be a skip (another), no biggie, many other good games out there plus PoE2 early access coming soon. Hopefully Devs will listen to feedback from Sorcs in PTR and some things will change.
Have you tried the other classes and not liked them or only want to play Sorc? Just curious cause I played Rogue originally now not able to really enjoy other classes as the rogue playstyle is my favourite.
@@MagicalMajestic I can say i leveld 2 sorcs to 100 pre season 1, 3 lvl 100 sorcs in season 1 and 2 lvl 100 sorcs in season 2. I have played every class at 100 and tried almost every build out there, i just enjoy the sorc play style (hundreds of hours on sorc alone). When playing Sorc in S5 i enjoy the gameplay, but realizing how terrible it is compared to everything else (besides druid) just makes the game boring to me. I create a barb and play 40 hours, no trading just solo playing and can speed farm pit 101 and my sorc that i spent all my time on feels like a challenge in comparison. Im for sure trying out season 5, buying vessel of hatred on credit card and will just refund it if sorc is not in a good place.
@Mas-ij3ti Fair enough, i'm extremely un optimial with leveling all my hours have equated to getting 1 rogue to 100 (600-700+ going off 3rd party websites) most spent season 0 (tried all classes, really hoping for more out of sorc). Tried Druid again season 4 and havent had the will to get much past 60, certainly hoping VoH is good and worth it, I really think D4 team is showing promise.
@@MagicalMajestic Yeah im not the most efficient "speed runner" by any means, im just "brute forcer". The first ~35 days of D4 i had an average of 20.6 hours played /day. I do think D4 is showing some promise, but there are some apects that are really concerning. Example if Druid and Sorc is like 40 times worse than Barb, how out of touch do they have to be not to close that gap drastically even within this current season. From looking at the patch notes it does not look like Sorc is getting any better, i think its getting worse tbh. Besides if there is some broken mechanic we dont know that we will be able to abuse.
For Barb the synergy of the two new uniques seems interesting, you could effectively be firing off Iron Maelstrom every few seconds. I really question the affixes though - they are clearly designed to work together but they put Iron Grasp CDR on the amulet - when Iron Grasp won't have a cooldown with that setup. In addition, why have the unique effect of the sword lower the damage of weapon mastery skills, then put a weapon mastery skill damage affix on the sword itself? Ugh. For Sorc it may require some brewing but I'm interested to see if we can get a pure fire mage build going. Firewall/Fireball/Firebolt? The new unique makes you cast two firebolts per fireball, which I hope can be shotgunned as if they were directly cast? I think Sorc is also the class that will see the most direct buffs from uniques being re-itemized; they already use more in their builds than other classes. Unfortunately we won't know how it works until S5 as those changes won't be on the PTR.
The f is wrong with devs i dont understand? This game not a competitive, and still is a hot mess with a class balance. Whats the problem to add "extra juice" to underperfoming classes? Sometimes i think that sorc devs just stuck at wt1 and never plays another classes on purpose.
Why is it im one of the few people that think 99.9 % of the uniques are total utter garbage....they cant be tempered and the stats are usually pretty bad ESPECIALLY compared to a strong legendary that can be tempered to have ACTUAL good stats. Every season it seems they just keep making our characters deal less and less damage while jacking enemy damage and life but claiming their uniques will make up for it but they dont. Makes no sense at all. Especially in a game where you stop every 3 seconds to kill a mob anyway. Just change all the baseline move speed to a higher number on all builds and give back the damage stats. For example the Melted heart was a MASSIVE loss when they turned damage to move speed, since move speed is literally useless if you have boots dodge or movement skills.
Really? Doubt it. That would be a very misguided take. Maybe he didn't took the time to read them yet. I mean everyone who takes a second to analyse these notes will see how horrid these changes are. I mean really really bad. Thank god the forums are going wild. Let your voice be heard. My 1 hour stand-still naked Barb will outperform 99% of Bis Sorc builds haha
@@Aridity12in his last video he literally said that he thinks the flameshield nerf is justified because of the immortal build COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that the huuge nerf to flameshield also hurts the non immortal builds. I really like rax and have been watching since early d3 days so don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy far from it. his takes on sorc are just hilarious tho. They could have removed flameshield tempers or do something that only hurts the 0.0001% of players running immortal builds. He is way to knowledgeable on the game to not see the implications to other build. In short, I'm salty AF
@@darkdraconis Yeah, then he hasn't played Sorc end-game at all. Very bad take indeed. The whole problem with Sorc is that all the non Sorc players are so heavily misinformed - They see a niche 0,01% build working and clearing high pits - meanwhile every other build is like 50 tiers below that in gutter tier, probably worse than Druid. Now the worst builds will suffer even more. Any experienced Sorc player will see how these nerfs will literally render us useless. No damage, no survivability and no speed lol. I feel your frustration
@@Aridity12 coming from his video that he uploaded a few min ago. He made it look like sorcs are getting heavy buffs IMO and he cemented his opinion on the flameshield cooldown by saying he agrees with blizzard but they shouldn't have applied it to a druid ult. Diddn't even mention ice armor or talk any further about the sorc nerfs but he will make a sorc build in the coming days lets see if he noticeses something if he doesn't I'm going to stay away from his sorc builds until he starts a season with sorc...
Druid storm specs got hammered with the legendary node cap. I dont know about the base damage buffs on the skills but it seems super low to compensate for the nerf. Another big F
@wudijo could it be possible for dash/shadowstep to trigger that totem/item that explodes? A crazy dash/SS build where we hop around popping stuff sounds fun
It fine to nerf flame sheild but why ice armor? They are killing regular builds for sorc. You can still chase infinite flame sheild with Yan for competive fire blot build but other builds suck because of the nerf of ice armor.
Something I see from all these balance videos, a real key element is ignored. They aren't balancing one class to compare to another, they just aren't even trying to do that. Every one of these balance changes is strictly because of the amount of use each thing gets in each class. How do they make Blighted not the #1 aspect pick? Just nerf it to be similar to other aspects. Macrobioboi did a video a about a week ago talking about which aspect to swap for sacrificial after it gets boosted and Blighted was a specific topic that said absolutely not. Sacrificial boosting adds roughly 48% (I think, it was on his spreadsheet) so now Blighted isn't the surefire pick. Aspect of the Damned? 50%. CC aspects do 20-25% mostly with the cc effect accounting for the damage difference. So people need to understand these changes are strictly because of the meta and copying builds off the website. They're trying to make playing your way viable by making all options better. They should've buffed instead of nerfing but it's too late now.
Necro changes are awful. Sorc changes are awful. Blizzard just isn't interested in any balance for classes other then making sure Barb gets more buffs.
How about losing 180%[x] damage by removing Shephard per companion? 9 companions (4 ravens, 3 wolves, 2 creepers) with +1 companion even on amulet with +20% = 180%[x] damage, and now it's gone. GG Blizzard.
What's the deal with teleport enchantment going from 17s cd up to 30s cd with CDR and TP CDR not affecting it at all??? this is on current live servers
Lets get rid immortal sorc but keep immortal barb makes sense at this point does bliz even want a sorc class in the game.i understand being immortal all the time breaks the game but keep it consistent with all classes
The most exciting race next season will to be find the champion of worst in pit, Sorc or Druid. Also got to love they say don't want immortal chars yet buff rogue to they point it will likely have an immortal meta.
Heartseeker rogue will probably drop down to like B-tier. The 50% compensation buff would need to be increased to roughly 265% to offset the damage loss of no double-dipping. At least there's other rogue builds to play...
I would just like to take a few seconds to say i really appreciate your thumbnails, calmness and nonusage of CAPS. I tried this season after being bored a week into launch, and i´m actually having fun. But the community content creaters can sometime be abit to much. "NEW BEST UBER BEST BEST, NEEEEW, BEEST, fake titles." and so on. Wont mention names, but some do not take their time to even update their build guides after releasing it´s "NEW BEST" tree & gear or link wrong tree or w/e. It´s noticeable just to push out content as it´s their job. For some reason i´ve gotten really annoyed by it. Thanks for the simple, yet professional videos. Perhaps i´m just getting old & grumpy.
Can you test hydra sorc? I guess you can have 5 active hydras with winterglass and enchantment. 4 headed while healthy So its 20 heads But now there ia a temper with +2 heads on weapon. On wand and focus + 4 and if masterworked doubled? So it seems you can have 4 heads base +8 heads= 12 heads per hydra. Makes 60 heads. And then hydra base damage is increased to 100% Is that all correct?
This has to be setup to give sorc staff + dagger/offhand. The random cd nerf on offhand. The 100%x nerf on burning instinct. This has to be a setup for two more aspects and stats.
When I quit wow back rite after lk expansion sorc were a joke and rogue were op what the deal with pure casters and this company not same blizzard but wth.
I played Sorc in pre-season and season 1. Necro in seasons 2 and 4. Pre-season: leveling and enjoying stories / trash in ND Season 1: Hydra Sorc (bug fixed) Season 2: Ball Lightning Sorc (bug fixed) / Infinimist Necro with HOTA Barb friends Season 3: pass Season 4: Firebolt Immortal Sorc (bug will be fixed) / Shadow Minion Necro with Holy bolt (bug fixed) Sorc might need a remake. They are always squishy and deal low damage. Just like glass cannon without a cannon. You can find that almost every Sorc build needs 3 or 4 defensive skills to survive. After Sorc spends a lot of time gathering gear, the Barb next to you is still tankier and deals much more damage than you. FUNNY GAME
Press F for Sorc 🪦
Blizzard Devs: Brabarian seems OP, let's Nerf Sorc. Every single time.
Buff barb and nerf sorcs, druids and necros
always class i play get gutted started with sorc switched to druid and currenetly druid is worst class this current season ..hope that neew class is good or i might just quit the game hate being forced to play specific class to be usefull
You are wrong. Chain Lightning is so much fun and awsome with Andariel.
The day my fresh Lv.1 Barb can comfortably outperform any BIS lategame Sorc build has arrived 😂😂😅
finally long awaited nerf to sorc, at this point just make sorc attach themselves to necro minions as one of the mages
mage minions doing more damage then a actual class is absurd
On the one hand, you'd be able to overpower now. On the other, necros got nerfs across the board with very little buffs 😂
Unironically Actual brilliant idea....
@@ryan_gaming_hubunironically but very sarcastically
lmao feelsbad
The Sorc situation is embarassing. Ice Shards and all the other core skills need a huge buff and also a lot of aspects and legendaries need to be upgraded in order to make the class at least viable
It is very viable … it’s amazing how many people don’t know how to play the game
Its already embrassing. Sign are in S3 and developer keep nerf, how much more sign. Guess out fault to stay naive of range AOE class.
@bravexheart7 sorcs were already the worst class for 99% of people in S4, and now it's catching nerfs to boot. Outside of immortal flame shield, sorc builds are all B tier at best even with ubers and high gear quality
@@bravexheart7it's not when compared to any other class.
@@bravexheart7retard
I love how the devs keep saying Barbs are op and would like to bufff other classes to keep them in line but keep nerfing them to oblivion.
The best build for Sorc requires them to stand next to a Barb…
if you have the best gear on the planet you could wear the raiment and the Barb wouldn’t be needed at 175.
Or as Raxx would say: best guide for sorc: logout make Barb
How to fix all sorc issues: Go to character select and make a barb named "Sorc".
Thats why Barb is the best support class. We support sorcs. Just stand there and look pretty while we bash faces in.
Blizzard HQ: Barb seems OP, lets nerf Sorcs, Rogues, Necros and Druids.
Dev Team: Ahhh, and what about the Barbs?
Blizzard HQ: Buff em.
Lmfao
100% this You cant even make this up....
Yeah some big dick manager love Barbs and the devs are helpless or they lose there jobs
I hate being forced to play a certain build in order to compete. Basically, you don't have options if you want to compete in the pit. I play a sorcerer,
Again we need to literally force the lead devs to play only sorc
and necro while you are at it, because with the nerfs they added shows they simply don't understand why most necro builds were using the Blighted Aspect across the board.
Can we please have more of this? Finally, content creators talking about how bad Sorcer is atm.
They're not listening to the community, so hopefully, they'll listen to you guys.
As a sorc player I expected this. Blizz really want me to play Elden Ring DLC instead.
the ice armor nerf is insane, so random 😭
Yeah serious what the actual fuck
And burning instinct, wtf it wasn’t even that strong. They went ahead and nerf teleport too for no reason 😂
@@NamNguyen-lr6sk The solution is buff barb, obviously
@@NamNguyen-lr6sk Teleport nerf is actually part that made me mad. Completely random and not justified and against 'class fantasy' they talk so much
they might aswell just disable sorc on the character selection.... all about cosmetic sales, they buffing the most cosmetic purchase class lol
This is their true motivation for sure, it’s all a game they playing to get your $$$
@@Xionik watch how they will milk the new class on release, with overpowered sht.. then release a cosmetic for it same time... they will nerf it after people complains and once they hit the target sales
Release better sorc armor then, cause 98% of the sorc shop is hideous
@@Afterhours.101 this is why the class suxx
very sad for sorc😢 tnx for the vid wudi
Dont bet on the chain lightning for sorc. Throwing all eggs in one basket once again. They did it with frozen orb in PTR was broken. Then Nerf to the ground. Same will happen with chain lighting in PTR.
i wish you were wrong. just got done posting that this is their pattern. fotm classes buffed, other classes get a millstone.
-a salty lightning mage
Yep, same with barb twisters last season which after nerf went to be like the 8th strongest build behind bash, thorns, flay, ww, leap, etc...
The rogue changes look the most inspired and on-point to me, whoever was in charge of rogue need to whip the rest of the balance team into shape
WTF.... Whoever is in charge of balancing the Sorc class needs to be sacked and employ someone with balls to give the class some real power and not having to rely on cheese or broken potions to help them try to keep up with the neighbors....!!!!!!!
While the other classes are living in Miami, the sorcs are just Trailer trash with new shoes...
Like 2 out of the 5 classes just don’t function properly. Druid and Sorc need quite a bit of help im shocked they touched Necro need minion AI to get corrected
Necro was never an S tier class. Strong B, and Season 4 it moved to A at best. The only classes that matter to Blizzard at this point is Barb and Rogue. Necro only as of this point having one potential meta build with bone spirit is crazy for season 5, but hey at least we get one meta build and our helltide farming blood builds can be used with minions because they will have a 3% chance to overpower increasing bloodmancer with minions gameplay by 2% overall.
edit: the helltide farming build is a joke, because minions over powering is a big *shrug*. guess necros, sorcs and druids will all be playing the "Go stand next to a barb" build for season 5.
@@ezcoreg759 na Necro has some good builds it’s just they didn’t touch shadow mages etc to help them. Rogue’s victimize is double dipping all kinds of crazy place. Barb changes are kinda hard due to imo them having 4 weapons to add to stats. They changed hemorrhage to cap which is good I don’t know why they capped thunderstruck and changed shepards for Druid while nerfing rampaging werebeast like what?
At this point it feels like Blizzard is trolling sorc players. Apart from the Beta when they massively nerfed sorcerer and the ball lightning bug in Season 2 the disparity between between late game Sorc to other classes is so gigantic that it must mean that the people in charge of balancing are just looking at the player base of sorcerer, a lot of players still play it, and not hard data of late game performance and build variance.
Sorc is the staple of the Diablo Genre and they keep nerfing it...crazy
Necromancer: 50% nerf to keypassive that made everything good.
Barb: Ur fine 🙃
*that made everything playable/do-able*
and when the hell is blood builds ever going to get a damn buff to become viable for end game content?
Chain lightening yeah cool but how good is it gonna feel when you keep getting one shot when an enemy sneezes your direction.
Congratulations you now know what it's like to play necro
@@silvertain1978 what build are you using? I have a basic minnion necro with pretty crap gear and it can do around pit 90 easily
@kapiteinlulhaas7612 golem yea it does loads of dmg but get instantly clapped if you put a foot wrong
My summoner necro could easily do 100nmd, and around 80 in the pits with mid grade gear without ever getting touched. It's like playing easy mode. Barb dust devil twin does the same but takes way more "effort" than my necro, so it is more fun to play. But I would easily call my necro the best overall. Flury rogue comes in 3rd. Firewall/bolt sorc is 4, and druid is so shitty, I haven't hit 100 yet to even bother getting gear, so it ranks last by a lot. Necro is just too easy, no special gear except the auto cast ring, no thinking involved, just run in circles and watch everything die.
@@Coupe420 agreed. Flurry rogue though?
Barbs seem to be the overall winner almost every season....go figure
Just very borring since one year now... Blizzard is just too stupid to nerf the barb.
Blizz clear favorite is barb
💪
It's well deserved, they got bent over a table and dry fucked in the ass in the first few months of the game's launch
@@OmnipotentO Head dev has to be a barb main. No other explanation
At this point the game should be called BARBABLO 4!!!
Barblo IV
Barb is always blizzard favorite class
Dibarblo IV
No shit, it's ridiculous how good Barb has always been, but they get a slight nerf to freakin' lung capacity and barbs will cry about "being nerfed into the ground".
@@kingcreed348 Barb's ground still will be 10000 feet above sorc's ceiling after any nerf :)
The Dev's inconsistent treatment of invulnerability/immunity on diff chars makes me SMH. Sorc FS nerfed; Barb MV retained.
Why so stupid?
Oh god the ice armor nerf is huge, a mortal sorc currently heavily relies on it for defent barrier gen and it becoming a 1 time barrier will also make it fall off way faster thus nerfing manareg and damage vs chill/frozen aswell
"a mortal" is the complete opposite of what those sorcs are 😅
Sorcerers get some kind of limelight for one season and immediately get nerfed into the ground as a result lol. Wtf
Blizzard: Let’s cap some multiplayer for necro and sorc
players: and the barb bleed ultimate passive that give billion of damage?
Blizzard: that is fine
Those will be capped as well, even on Rogue. They figured out that caps are necessary but being a small indie company still didnt get to passives. They just finished paragon boards.
Barbillion
@@marsovac they probably tried to cap it, but doing it gave them 5 other bugs with their spaghetti code, so they reverted the changes :P
I mean they’re capping hemorrhage which plays into gushing wounds. Whirlwind doesn’t actually do any damage so “buffing” WW isn’t exactly a big deal.
Here we go now we have Barblo once again.
Why do they insist on shitting on sorcs…the one good build is from a bug…ffs they could nerf barb 30% and they’d still probably be top, horrid. Where are loadouts for gear, talents, and paragon? Tempering suggestion not even close to enough. And minor…but can we rework nightmare dungeon affixes and maybe add a carrot to do them? Feels bad when you swap builds and have to go back to level another glyph.
Thank god you are talking about it. That way maybe devs will listen. Its INSANE how sorcs just got nerfed again. "We hear you sorcs ans druiss!" - NERFS
for the druid i actually think those changes are very good, maybe not enough but very good. the pet meta was so annoying and made the druid really squishy by not having any defensive skills. the base damage buffs are not to shabby and in my eyes are way bigger than the nerfs they got. sorcs on the other hand seem to be doomed.
@@grasgruen84 in a way the changes are good. The class will have more variety and you arent forced to pets. But they havent really buffed druids so its still likely the worst or second worst class. The thing is that druid buss at the best break even with the nerfs, and to storm skills is a straight up nerf
Druid and sorts still get the shaft
How many times does the Sorcerer needs to get hit with the BAT?!
Well.. I guess I wil continue to stick with Rogue until they decide to lift sorc out of the shitter.
Yep
Sorc is #1 class guaranteed .. there is zero shitters around when it comes to sorc season 5. If you think it’s going to be bad you have no idea how to make a build
@@bravexheart7 it’s not that they are actually bad… I don’t think any class is truly bad. but by comparison sake, yeah they are. Barb is so far ahead of the others it’s disgusting. And Druid is the most behind
Like yeah, there are lots of sorc and Druid builds that’ll clear 101. Which is plenty enough for all the content in the game.
But then you look at a braindead WW barb that can do the same difficulty content with worse gear and clear it 10x faster. Or the flag barb dealing hundreds of billions. By comparison to the barb, yeah everything else is bad
@@bravexheart7facts,all these cry babies crying about sorcerer. I have a lv100 flame wall build and it's my main build ATM. Maybe they are not as good at building characters or good at the game as they thought they were 😂.
@@bravexheart7 Sorc being #1 class is objectively untrue. And don't start talking about how 2 youtubers make sorc work. That has nothing to do with the average gaming experience in Diablo.
Why do they continue to buff the best class? I’m so confused…
Sorcs next buff is turning them into one of the mercenaries, and removing them from being a playable class. They’re already on the power level of one of the mercenary companions lol WTF blizzard????
Sorc turned into a merc, and druid turns into a pet
A merc with that runeword that heavily lowers all resistances would obliterate a sorc lol
Sorc nerfs are tragic, but I wouldn't count out Flame armor just yet. You probably won't be able to get 100% uptime anymore, but Yen's blessing will actually work much better with flame shield than it does now (no more wasting procs). Ice Armor is basically useless now, the rework seems braindead at best. The biggest problem Sorc has right now is that so many of their core skills are tied to unique weapons, and it's not worth giving up tempering affixes to use them. Allowing a single tempering affix on uniques would fix a ton of problems imo.
Yeah, Blizzard...
let's buff Barb where Flay is doing 1.500.000.000 bleeding dmg per second and can Rupture for 150.000.000.000 and let's nerf Necro and Druid - Hahahahahaha
9 (4 ravens, 2 creepers, 3 wolves) companions (with +1 companion) even on amulet (+20x% per companion) = 180x% damage and they just removed it - Hahahahahaha
But they will buff skills by 2x% to compensate - Hahahahahaha. Necro and Sorc will also get nerfs - Hahaha. GG Blizzard. This is Barblo IV and not Diablo IV.
if i had to choose today, next season i will play chain lightning sorc.
regardless of what is meta and/or “strongest” i have always had more fun playing sorc than anything so i am gonna stick to what i like instead of what i am “supposed to play.”
I mean theres a good chance that sorcs aren't selling as many cosmetics so they get nerfed into the ground and pooped on so yeah makes since people that like playing the class but not actually being able to enjoy the end game properly would play it.
I hope you are right but I dont believe they will make post PTR balance better or that they are actually listening to feedback very much. People have been complaining about druid/sorc(except flameweaver) being weak since season start, and yet the last patch happend with buffs only to strongest classes and builds. Seems to me that they simply dont understand the state of the game, and are only willing to buff druid after massive uproar.
If enough people start screaming at them about sorc, they might do something, but not because they understand the game or listen, just because they dont want to be yelled at.
At this point you really have to ask what the balancing team is thinking in regards to sorc. Like, wth?!
Call me tinfoil hat but I bet Barb and Rogue cosmetics sell and Sorc/Druid don't. Why? Beauty in Sin set for Rogue and Barb having a lot of badass looking sets. Meanwhile, how often have you heard people complain that male Sorc outfits are awful and people complain about Druids appearance in general? If you don't think this is absolutely a factor then you don't work in business.
Bingo
Oh 100% the cosmetics are mainly female based for rogues/sorcs and barbs are cool asf gotta move the player base to the classes that sell cosmetics
Sorc has some pretty awesome sets. The frost one is super cool looking. They've also done a lot of booba tech w/ the Sorc paid armor so you'd think people would be into that. Lots of sideboob, underboob, etc.
The idiots can't figure out transmogs for the shapeshifter class. Give us volibear and VFX for animal forms. Who the hell plays human form druid ? I want the whales to purchase druids to get more by buffs
Do not agree here. Best cosmetics are by far Barbs, Sorcs and Necros. Rogue cosmetics are so silly for the most part with a few exceptions. Druid is the biggest loser in that game but to say that sorcs don’t get cool cosmetics is wrong imo.
It’s hard to say what next season will look like when they aren’t bringing the unique changes to the PTR.
The affixes look like they are getting a massive improvement. The new ones they showed had some pretty massive affix values for just standard no GA 0/12 MW items
The more aspects and uniques that get added, the harder it will be for some people to get them. Played 50 hours with target farming and never saw some standard uniques even when getting to Pit 70-80 and lots doing lots of targeted boss runs.
Some aspects I have only at low levels, because they don’t drop.
So if you have a build that is unique dependent, and it doesn’t drop because the drop tables are more bloated, you could play 40-50 hours before even starting your build.
@@BremSterGames you’re supposed to build around the uniques you have. Problem is they aren’t worth building around.
You shouldn’t expect to get any unique you want in the levelling process. It is really easy to get uniques in the endgame, its a non-issue. The bosses are super easy to target farm non Mythics
@@2052brad I would agree, if it wasn't for the fact that pretty much every build you see on any guide states "These items are mandatory." The expectation is that items will happen.
Maxroll had (had?) some builds where their levelling builds started having mandatory uniques.
At tgis point they should have the Barb dev team do rotation to the other classes' desks. It looks like there are different teams for each class with little oversight on all of them together
They also need to make it so the best sorc builds don't play point blank melee range and are forced to do multi element. The class needs a top to bottom, fundamental rework
This is the second time I've watched a patch notes video and, while talking about sorc changes, wudi says "oof".
I get their reasoning with unique items changes, however I'm a bit concerned about them being too much build defining. For example, if devs leave sorc as it is and just give them overpowered uniques to compensate and make them playable, it will feel like you're being forced into a build and your (player) choices - skill tree, paragon board setup, etc - will be less impactful than just equipping unique with good rolls. I hope they review this and make baseline class work well enough for uniques to be a strong, but just a complementary option.
At this point they could make Dark Shroud a class mechanic and create a new skill. Not really keen about being forced to spend skill points cause you always use it.
Sorcs with mandatory teleport, ice armor and flameshield on 99.9% of every build feel you
@@darkdraconis true :/
I will still play Sorc because I don't ever want to play without teleport. It just feels too good.
I've watched a few videos and heard it a few times. There was never anything wrong with uncapped scaling. It isn't uncapped, your gear has caps. Just balance them. Now it's another stat you auto-cap while gearing without any thought and promptly forget about. It was an unnecessary reduction in build identity.
Having mained barb until now and just discovering ytd how fun and strong rogue is, this pleases me.
I've bought 5 armor sets for sorc in the hopes that they'll finally get buffed, RIP wallet and sorc.
Blizzard needs to have 1 dev be an absolute expert in every class. Its still very clear they dont understand how these classes actually work and just buff/nerf shit randomly
I actually applied to be a systems designer and never heard back. I’d fix sorc
How can devs be so out of touch?
You don't think that minions being able to Overpower is a big deal? I'm with Rax on that change, along with them being much more aggressive and automatically attacking nearby enemies - absolutely massive QoL buff.
I think the things I'm most excited for are Chain Lightning and Arrow Storm, but I also wanna note that they are buffing the Stealth stuff too so that alongside the Shadowstep buffs might actually make the Sneak Attack build viable at last.
so ... shitting on sorc continues
yep
As it should be😂😂😂
Way to promote breaking a class that is continued getting shit on.
@@ryan_gaming_hub ye its funny and jokes but some ppl hate being forced to play a boring class like barb to actually be usefull its just bad for the game when game is in pretty shit stop already
@@DejvidR6 bro, I only play sorc or necro, I did one charecter to test Barb this season, a lvl 40 barb with tempered recipe was able to get to World tier 4 and massacre upto t35 NM dungeon. I ABSOLUTELY HATE barb as a class, it's boring AF zero brain needed, just press button kill shit. At this point I stopped caring about this game, devs have no clue as to what's going on, they pulling balance out of their pants. Like the new unique that they showed on stream, LIKE WHY THE SPECIFIC 66 MANA needs to be drained? You get it ? It's 66 as in smaller 666, there's no way 66 Mana drained per chain lightning is something you can sustain with 100 max mana. 🤣🤣🤣 That's why I say blizzard devs are a joke. If anything sorc will get better on expansion, maybe specific abilities to bring them up which will be locked to the expansion, which again will be pay for power. By then I'll quit game and start playing Poe 2 🌝
Im glad for the shepherd change, i was sick of almost every build using it
Druid Cataclysm hasn't gotten just a new aspect, it's an actual Unique item, it's good to mention because this means it will lock a specific slot in your build for this specific Unique gloves
really hoping for rain of arrows to be more than just a very aesthetically pleasing skill lol. i know, thats asking waaaay too much.
Why does Blizzard hate sorcerer so .much? I've been.playing frozen orb and it's fine until....You want to hit bosses which is the only thing to do at the end of the game.
It's fun and awesome until you roll an alt, then realization creeps in.
Heartseeker Arrow Storm is already a fun build... if only Blizzard actually made "Arrow Storm" effect a marksman skill mechanically. Then it would be able to actually scale more than just crit/vuln/CC'd damage. It's basically just a Heartseeker build but you put both Arrow Storms and Vengeful on bow/amulet, and it melts everything while leveling. Not sure about the endgame, but so far bloodtide maidens just get melted down, not to mention the storms last for 3 seconds so the mobs spawning in immediately get burned down.
The only problem with the build is that since Arrow Storm is already a lucky hit only effect, it can't proc more lucky hit effects - which means you freeze less, heal less, etc. I was really hoping they'd give it baseline lucky hit chance like they did with grenades.
Not sure if the new Iron Rain aspect will be worth taking or we'd still be using Accursed Touch, cause it doesn't really directly buff arrow storms. The buff to maximum Arrow Storms is NOT enough if they want to make the build work past the leveling phase though. 7 Arrow Storms cap is quite low, especially with it's scuffed scaling. Could've at least made proccing Arrow Storm reduce the CD of Rain of Arrows by 0.5-1sec, since Hakan looks to be a go in S5.
Currently using this heartseeker arrow storm build with all gear at 8 masterwork. I'm capping at high 70s PIT. But it's a fun build!!
Are you kidding me? I just got to the flurry changes and immediately came here to both complain and see if others are.
I just made a flurry rogue and it’s the first time I’ve been having legitimate fun in the game, and they’re taking away the 12% heal and +vulnerable to all?!
I felt invincible and unstoppable!
Unless I’m missing something, they just completely ruined flurry. I was looking forward to victimize+vulnerable huge packs of mobs.
Sure you can stack lucky hit and other effects to hopefully proc vulnerability, but there was nothing quite like one puncture+one flurry=everything is vulnerabile plus huge heals (not to mention ‘countering smoke grenades cool down’ change).
I don’t want a ‘dash/heal mechanic,’ I’m standing still and flurry’ing! I already have a dash and if I’m dashing into battle I more than likely have full health; if not, the current mechanic can not only replenish me but sustain me throughout the battle (and if I’m dashing out I don’t need the flurry).
You basically have to get the new ‘second wind’ for the barrier effect. I really hope I’m missing something here.
Also, I don’t even rock bow builds really, but the windforce change from lucky hit to barrage seems ridiculous. I assume it was good for heart seeker builds and is now massively useless for them.
You're going from standing in a group of mobs applying vulnerability with 100% success rate (after only using one skill) *and* getting 12% life every use to a *chance through lucky hit* to apply vulnerability and a *dash* mechanic getting 10%.
You don't dash with flurry. You dash with dash then you *stand still and flurry.* You don't want a chance to apply vulnerability where the 4th attack applies vulnerability to half the group. You want the first flurry to apply it to *everyone* and all other attacks to refresh it repeatedly.
Barrier mechanics are weak, 3 seconds is too short and the rogue doesn't have increased barrier length nodes like the Sorc does, but this is likely going to be your survivability node, not the dash heal; dash heal is useless.
Mark my words, we're going to be losing health and dashing to the other side of the mob group while half the enemies are vulnerable preventing massive victimize procs.
50% damage increase does not compare to 40% aoe explosions proc'ing off of every enemy.
Say group of 10 mobs and you do 100 damage:
New: 150 damage to everyone (after working up to it)
Old: 100 damage to everyone plus 40x10=400aoe damage.
The new style has too low vulnerable application rates to be considered useful for victimize.
Again, unless I'm missing something, I can't believe everyone is saying these are good changes.
If they would buff Barrage, life would be good. 15M Crits are nice, but when other classes are doing 100M crits, it’s depressing. I feel like barrage rogue is the only setup that actually feels like you’re playing a video game with imbuements, dashing, setting traps, etc.
Honestly, just changing the behavior to have the spread be tight when there are few, distant targets would be perfect
I don't understand why they don't address how annoying it is to farm an amulet. We need a Hellfire Ammy treatment for passives.
As a Sorc only player, looks like S5 will be a skip (another), no biggie, many other good games out there plus PoE2 early access coming soon. Hopefully Devs will listen to feedback from Sorcs in PTR and some things will change.
Have you tried the other classes and not liked them or only want to play Sorc? Just curious cause I played Rogue originally now not able to really enjoy other classes as the rogue playstyle is my favourite.
@@MagicalMajestic I can say i leveld 2 sorcs to 100 pre season 1, 3 lvl 100 sorcs in season 1 and 2 lvl 100 sorcs in season 2. I have played every class at 100 and tried almost every build out there, i just enjoy the sorc play style (hundreds of hours on sorc alone). When playing Sorc in S5 i enjoy the gameplay, but realizing how terrible it is compared to everything else (besides druid) just makes the game boring to me. I create a barb and play 40 hours, no trading just solo playing and can speed farm pit 101 and my sorc that i spent all my time on feels like a challenge in comparison. Im for sure trying out season 5, buying vessel of hatred on credit card and will just refund it if sorc is not in a good place.
Uniques might be getting buffed enough to compensate
@Mas-ij3ti Fair enough, i'm extremely un optimial with leveling all my hours have equated to getting 1 rogue to 100 (600-700+ going off 3rd party websites) most spent season 0 (tried all classes, really hoping for more out of sorc). Tried Druid again season 4 and havent had the will to get much past 60, certainly hoping VoH is good and worth it, I really think D4 team is showing promise.
@@MagicalMajestic Yeah im not the most efficient "speed runner" by any means, im just "brute forcer". The first ~35 days of D4 i had an average of 20.6 hours played /day. I do think D4 is showing some promise, but there are some apects that are really concerning. Example if Druid and Sorc is like 40 times worse than Barb, how out of touch do they have to be not to close that gap drastically even within this current season. From looking at the patch notes it does not look like Sorc is getting any better, i think its getting worse tbh. Besides if there is some broken mechanic we dont know that we will be able to abuse.
Sorc is like Crusader in D3. Always at the bottom every season 😢
Might be the same dev
Sorc again dead last, this absolutly dogshit at this point...
sorc is the WD of D3
For Barb the synergy of the two new uniques seems interesting, you could effectively be firing off Iron Maelstrom every few seconds. I really question the affixes though - they are clearly designed to work together but they put Iron Grasp CDR on the amulet - when Iron Grasp won't have a cooldown with that setup. In addition, why have the unique effect of the sword lower the damage of weapon mastery skills, then put a weapon mastery skill damage affix on the sword itself? Ugh.
For Sorc it may require some brewing but I'm interested to see if we can get a pure fire mage build going. Firewall/Fireball/Firebolt? The new unique makes you cast two firebolts per fireball, which I hope can be shotgunned as if they were directly cast? I think Sorc is also the class that will see the most direct buffs from uniques being re-itemized; they already use more in their builds than other classes. Unfortunately we won't know how it works until S5 as those changes won't be on the PTR.
guess its back to using hurricane on shred druid might try cataclysm has well with the new unique
The f is wrong with devs i dont understand? This game not a competitive, and still is a hot mess with a class balance. Whats the problem to add "extra juice" to underperfoming classes? Sometimes i think that sorc devs just stuck at wt1 and never plays another classes on purpose.
Why is it im one of the few people that think 99.9 % of the uniques are total utter garbage....they cant be tempered and the stats are usually pretty bad ESPECIALLY compared to a strong legendary that can be tempered to have ACTUAL good stats.
Every season it seems they just keep making our characters deal less and less damage while jacking enemy damage and life but claiming their uniques will make up for it but they dont. Makes no sense at all. Especially in a game where you stop every 3 seconds to kill a mob anyway. Just change all the baseline move speed to a higher number on all builds and give back the damage stats.
For example the Melted heart was a MASSIVE loss when they turned damage to move speed, since move speed is literally useless if you have boots dodge or movement skills.
Watch Rax say that the nerfs to sorc was needed because of immortal firebolt
Really? Doubt it. That would be a very misguided take. Maybe he didn't took the time to read them yet. I mean everyone who takes a second to analyse these notes will see how horrid these changes are. I mean really really bad. Thank god the forums are going wild. Let your voice be heard. My 1 hour stand-still naked Barb will outperform 99% of Bis Sorc builds haha
He only doing 1-100 lvls everyday
@@Aridity12in his last video he literally said that he thinks the flameshield nerf is justified because of the immortal build COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that the huuge nerf to flameshield also hurts the non immortal builds.
I really like rax and have been watching since early d3 days so don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy far from it.
his takes on sorc are just hilarious tho.
They could have removed flameshield tempers or do something that only hurts the 0.0001% of players running immortal builds.
He is way to knowledgeable on the game to not see the implications to other build.
In short, I'm salty AF
@@darkdraconis Yeah, then he hasn't played Sorc end-game at all. Very bad take indeed. The whole problem with Sorc is that all the non Sorc players are so heavily misinformed - They see a niche 0,01% build working and clearing high pits - meanwhile every other build is like 50 tiers below that in gutter tier, probably worse than Druid. Now the worst builds will suffer even more. Any experienced Sorc player will see how these nerfs will literally render us useless. No damage, no survivability and no speed lol. I feel your frustration
@@Aridity12 coming from his video that he uploaded a few min ago.
He made it look like sorcs are getting heavy buffs IMO and he cemented his opinion on the flameshield cooldown by saying he agrees with blizzard but they shouldn't have applied it to a druid ult.
Diddn't even mention ice armor or talk any further about the sorc nerfs but he will make a sorc build in the coming days lets see if he noticeses something if he doesn't I'm going to stay away from his sorc builds until he starts a season with sorc...
Druid storm specs got hammered with the legendary node cap. I dont know about the base damage buffs on the skills but it seems super low to compensate for the nerf. Another big F
Why does it seem like the rogue class designer was straight cooking ahead of S5 while whoever was responsible for sorc was just asleep at the wheel?
Excited to try out rogue next season but also wanted to play some sorc -_______-
Maybe try sorc in ptr. Nothing to lose
Bold of you to assume they got out of bed to begin with.
Nah having guaranteed 4 dark shrouds at all times is stupid
@wudijo could it be possible for dash/shadowstep to trigger that totem/item that explodes? A crazy dash/SS build where we hop around popping stuff sounds fun
Don’t mind me and my rogue hitting for over a billion… glad barb gets all the focus
Blizzard is so out of touch when it comes to balancing I swear.
I'm already sick of these barbs 🤢
It fine to nerf flame sheild but why ice armor? They are killing regular builds for sorc. You can still chase infinite flame sheild with Yan for competive fire blot build but other builds suck because of the nerf of ice armor.
Something I see from all these balance videos, a real key element is ignored. They aren't balancing one class to compare to another, they just aren't even trying to do that. Every one of these balance changes is strictly because of the amount of use each thing gets in each class. How do they make Blighted not the #1 aspect pick? Just nerf it to be similar to other aspects. Macrobioboi did a video a about a week ago talking about which aspect to swap for sacrificial after it gets boosted and Blighted was a specific topic that said absolutely not. Sacrificial boosting adds roughly 48% (I think, it was on his spreadsheet) so now Blighted isn't the surefire pick. Aspect of the Damned? 50%. CC aspects do 20-25% mostly with the cc effect accounting for the damage difference. So people need to understand these changes are strictly because of the meta and copying builds off the website. They're trying to make playing your way viable by making all options better. They should've buffed instead of nerfing but it's too late now.
Necro changes are awful. Sorc changes are awful. Blizzard just isn't interested in any balance for classes other then making sure Barb gets more buffs.
Not sure how I feel about wind shear losing 250%[x] damage from thunderstuck nerf
How about losing 180%[x] damage by removing Shephard per companion?
9 companions (4 ravens, 3 wolves, 2 creepers) with +1 companion even on amulet with +20% = 180%[x] damage, and now it's gone.
GG Blizzard.
Great breakdown, thanks.
Forgot to mention blade shift big for rogue.
It was the druid. we were already expecting sorceress to get burnt, so you can't be too disappointed.
What's the deal with teleport enchantment going from 17s cd up to 30s cd with CDR and TP CDR not affecting it at all???
this is on current live servers
Lets get rid immortal sorc but keep immortal barb makes sense at this point does bliz even want a sorc class in the game.i understand being immortal all the time breaks the game but keep it consistent with all classes
Petition to make Teleport a "utility" skill rather than defensive to be able to actually run no defensive builds.
The most exciting race next season will to be find the champion of worst in pit, Sorc or Druid.
Also got to love they say don't want immortal chars yet buff rogue to they point it will likely have an immortal meta.
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As a Sorc main, this makes me not want to play the game... again.
Heartseeker rogue will probably drop down to like B-tier. The 50% compensation buff would need to be increased to roughly 265% to offset the damage loss of no double-dipping. At least there's other rogue builds to play...
As a used to be Rogue main, heartseeker was not even fun to play. Good riddance.
The new unique for sorc is really good. This is initial patch notes and subject to adjustments. People overreact like S5 will drop tomorrow lmao
I'm not making a barb next season , so I hope the other classes get some buffs .
I would just like to take a few seconds to say i really appreciate your thumbnails, calmness and nonusage of CAPS. I tried this season after being bored a week into launch, and i´m actually having fun. But the community content creaters can sometime be abit to much. "NEW BEST UBER BEST BEST, NEEEEW, BEEST, fake titles." and so on. Wont mention names, but some do not take their time to even update their build guides after releasing it´s "NEW BEST" tree & gear or link wrong tree or w/e. It´s noticeable just to push out content as it´s their job. For some reason i´ve gotten really annoyed by it. Thanks for the simple, yet professional videos. Perhaps i´m just getting old & grumpy.
Quitting the game
done begging for a sorc buff
Can you test hydra sorc?
I guess you can have 5 active hydras with winterglass and enchantment.
4 headed while healthy
So its 20 heads
But now there ia a temper with +2 heads on weapon. On wand and focus + 4 and if masterworked doubled?
So it seems you can have 4 heads base +8 heads= 12 heads per hydra.
Makes 60 heads.
And then hydra base damage is increased to 100%
Is that all correct?
Do you think tb rogues will be playable in season 5?
Which Barb build is now the strongest against Tormented bosses and in high tier pits?
necro and sorc skip season 5 hope for better in season 6
This has to be setup to give sorc staff + dagger/offhand. The random cd nerf on offhand. The 100%x nerf on burning instinct. This has to be a setup for two more aspects and stats.
I'm afraid it's just wildly out of touch devs
But I really hope you're right
When I quit wow back rite after lk expansion sorc were a joke and rogue were op what the deal with pure casters and this company not same blizzard but wth.
I played Sorc in pre-season and season 1. Necro in seasons 2 and 4.
Pre-season: leveling and enjoying stories / trash in ND
Season 1: Hydra Sorc (bug fixed)
Season 2: Ball Lightning Sorc (bug fixed) / Infinimist Necro with HOTA Barb friends
Season 3: pass
Season 4: Firebolt Immortal Sorc (bug will be fixed) / Shadow Minion Necro with Holy bolt (bug fixed)
Sorc might need a remake. They are always squishy and deal low damage.
Just like glass cannon without a cannon.
You can find that almost every Sorc build needs 3 or 4 defensive skills to survive.
After Sorc spends a lot of time gathering gear, the Barb next to you is still tankier and deals much more damage than you.
FUNNY GAME