I’ve got one and I really enjoy it. It’s the difference between me playing trumpet and never getting to play it. I agree, the horn does matter, especially when we’re used to putting so much air into the instrument. This mouthpiece took about a month of solid practice to get comfortable, but then it’s just kind of clicked. I can play up to a high C or D, although not all night. It definitely improves focus in the upper register for me, since I’ve got to really control the airstream in a way that the trombone doesn’t require. I do gig with it, usually in combination with a small bore trombone. It’s fun to take a chorus on trombone, switch, and take one on trumpet.
I used to play trombone, baritone and littler be of tuba… and I love the trumpet but unfortunately I did not have (I do not have) embouchure to touch the trumpet. That undoubtedly is an ingenious invention. Good job, congratulations!
It kinda reminds me of that Double Guitar Strap basically a Guitar version of Accordion Straps. I use that on my Double Neck Guitar to help distribute the weight more evenly.
@@SchmittMusicTromboneShop Yes Accordions use 2 Straps to help distribute the weight more evenly & that concept certainly applies to Double Neck Guitar too.
It's very interesting! We are actually out of stock of this at the moment but we have more on order from Pickett; please feel free to connect with me at tromboneshop@schmittmusic.com and I would be happy to let you know when they arrive!
I literally just ordered the Chason version earlier this week. Don't expect it to magically turn me into a trumpet player, but, having full lips and primarily playing tuba & euphonium, it should make the massive mouthpiece size difference a bit more manageable to at least be able to play some brighter voiced stabs while leaving any of my lead playing to euphonium. Also, oddly enough, despite primarily playing instruments of the tuba family, I generally stick to alto bone as my trombone for simplicity sake. Not to aid in range, but because I personally pickup the slide positions better having a low Bb out in 6 position, which just aligns everything more instinctively for me.
That is so useful for me because I wasn’t aloud to play the trumpet when I joined band bc of my big lips so I got stuck with a trombone and I’m planning on switching to a trumpet for marching band and I need a bigger mouth piece so this would be so useful and helpful for me
We have an old (1930's) Blessing Cornet that has been in my wife's family for a couple generations. I've always struggled to play it. I bought the Chason setup about a year ago to see if it would help. I've had very limited success. It feels like there is even more back pressure, and my sound is actually worse. This year I tried a Denis Wick cornet mouthpiece and found it made the horn much easier to play. I like the idea, and it's certainly a lot of fun to watch the performances Wycliffe Gordon does on soprano trombone. In my case there is something about the mouthpiece / horn / player combination that doesn't work very well.
What you say certainly makes sense; as you said the idea is fun but truthfully it is a mismatch in a few different ways. As I mentioned I'm not going to be going out to take any trumpet gigs anytime soon with the Wybrid but for my in-shop needs I think it has merit...
It could be more back pressure because the Chason was designed for trumpet instead of cornet. That being said, using a conventional mouthpiece is probably better than a hybrid. There are pretty large mouthpieces for trumpet/cornet out there. Some around 18mm and higher, which is huge for trumpet/cornet.
How is it to play piano or pianissimo on it? It seems like trombonists might end up overblowing the trumpet. Air control has got to be super important with a setup like that.
No, it won't work. Small bore Tenors and Altos both use a small shank trombone mouthpiece, this is basically a full-on trumpet mouthpiece because it's meant to be used on trumpet and soprano trombone
Awesome! 😃 Yeah! ;) Forget trying to get ya chops to just “readjust”! I tried getting used to an actual trumpet’s mouthpiece and I can’t do it! :( My chops are just THAT used to the trombone and the euphonium’s thickness.
What are the available numbers? I play with a 6 1/2, in both calibers (long and thin). What is the hybrid numbering indicable for me? Would I need 2 mouthpiece with different outlets, or would only 1 mouthpiece work?
Your comments on alto trombone not being easier for high range are exactly why I think people really should be using roughly 20-21mm rims for that instrument. Even 20mm is gigantic compared to what people use for other alto instruments such as the British tenor horn, the French horn, and the mellophone, all of which really are easier to play in the proper alto range. If, as an experienced player, you cannot consistently and confidently reach the 10th partial of your instrument, you are using gear that is inappropriate. The only exceptions I would make are for piccolo trumpet and bass trombone, since that instrument really is used as if it is in F or G.
Right now the Pickett Wybrid is only available in trumpet shank, while most flugels take cornet shank. The last I checked Chanson Music still offered a hybrid mouthpiece with cornet shank, although this may have changed...
It seems to me that if you want to play a soprano trombone or trumpet, you really need to use the mouthpiece that was designed for the instrument. I would have thought that in the history of the soprano trombone/slide trumpet and the trumpet, that someone along the way would have designed a mouthpiece to make transition from the smaller instrument to the bigger instrument easier before 2020. I know that you are not a trumpeter at all, but I noticed that the sound of the instrument with the mouthpiece was not unacceptable at all, but the articulations used in the performance seemed very heavy and distorted. With a $185.00 proce tag and all the work that would be needed to use this mouthpiece in a performance setting, a trombonist would be better off saving the money and using the appropriate mouthpiece for the smaller instrument and just invest the time into that smaller instrument. It really seems like the equivalent of this mouthpiece would be like designing a tenor sax mouthpiece with the internals of a soprano sax mouthpiece. It can be done, but since Adolphe Sax invented the instrument in 1840, that mouthpiece design has not been successful. Saxophonists still have to use the appropriate mouthpiece with the appropriate instrument along with the correct embouchure. The time to learn to play the smaller instrument is going to be taken by the musician regardless of the mouthpiece. I think this is a good idea in theory but fails in practice. Just my thoughts.
Nobody has worried about a hybrid mouthpiece for saxophone because the reed is what vibrates, not the lips. There's a reason why an alto sax player can transfer to bari sax no problem and as soon as the pump the air out, they sound almost golden. When the lips are used to vibrating in a larger space (trombone mouthpiece), as soon as the space is decreased (trumpet mouthpiece) it can cause a lot of problems in the sound and physically in the lips, including possible focal dystonia, I'm sure. After two years, I'm trying to get my trumpet chops back that I had before after making the switch to trombone, and it hurts preeettty bad, the area where my trumpet mouthpiece sits is swollen and I don't even play with that much pressure. It's just that trombone players are used to having their lips inside the mouthpiece while trumpet players have a generally flat embouchure. Work with the original mouthpiece and instrument or work with the hybrid mouthpiece and the instrument is still work with the instrument, still have to work to make a good sound.
@@josephcallaway805 You analysis of the switch between saxophone mouthpieces is flawed. It is a lot more than air. There is lip pressure, teeth placement, throat opening, jaw opening, tongue placement, and lip placement that goes into a proper sax embouchure. The switch from alto to bari is far from easy. I have worked with saxophonists of all ages to make the switch and adjust their embouchures to play the two sax voices. On average, it takes about two months to get it right and then I can still tell the difference between the two sounds. The non-dominant mouthpiece loses all the time. Your problems in regaining your trumpet chops sounds like you need outside help. I have to wonder with the swollen lips on trumpet if there is some allergy happening. I know that certain mouthpiece materials can cause localized allergic reactions. If I were you, I would find a good teacher, a different mouthpiece, and keep practice sessions to shorter intervals on the trumpet. I have met too many brass players and taught too many students to think that your problems are normal. Find a good trumpet teacher to help you and really look at your mouthpieces.
Sorry, but this mouthpiece doesn't work at all for me. The shallowness of the cup is one thing, which you mention. Blowing a C below the staff absolutely feels as though you are playing a fifth higher. You want to use the fingerings that go up from G and not from low C. You might put in a lot of time trying to make this work and end up getting nowhere. I'd say that if being able to blow some trumpet is important enough to you, get used to making the change to the small mouthpiece.
I’ve got one and I really enjoy it. It’s the difference between me playing trumpet and never getting to play it. I agree, the horn does matter, especially when we’re used to putting so much air into the instrument. This mouthpiece took about a month of solid practice to get comfortable, but then it’s just kind of clicked. I can play up to a high C or D, although not all night. It definitely improves focus in the upper register for me, since I’ve got to really control the airstream in a way that the trombone doesn’t require. I do gig with it, usually in combination with a small bore trombone. It’s fun to take a chorus on trombone, switch, and take one on trumpet.
I used to play trombone, baritone and littler be of tuba… and I love the trumpet but unfortunately I did not have (I do not have) embouchure to touch the trumpet. That undoubtedly is an ingenious invention. Good job, congratulations!
As somebody who actually plays both the trombone and the trumpet and is constantly switching between the two, I NEED ONE OF THESE!
the same here
So neat! Makes me want to purchase one now!
It kinda reminds me of that Double Guitar Strap basically a Guitar version of Accordion Straps. I use that on my Double Neck Guitar to help distribute the weight more evenly.
Interesting comparison!
@@SchmittMusicTromboneShop Yes Accordions use 2 Straps to help distribute the weight more evenly & that concept certainly applies to Double Neck Guitar too.
I have to come in and try this out...I had always thought there ought to be some designs along this line...
It's very interesting! We are actually out of stock of this at the moment but we have more on order from Pickett; please feel free to connect with me at tromboneshop@schmittmusic.com and I would be happy to let you know when they arrive!
Kinda off topic, but does one of these exist for Baritone? I’m looking for a trumpet mouthpiece that works on a baritone.
I literally just ordered the Chason version earlier this week. Don't expect it to magically turn me into a trumpet player, but, having full lips and primarily playing tuba & euphonium, it should make the massive mouthpiece size difference a bit more manageable to at least be able to play some brighter voiced stabs while leaving any of my lead playing to euphonium.
Also, oddly enough, despite primarily playing instruments of the tuba family, I generally stick to alto bone as my trombone for simplicity sake. Not to aid in range, but because I personally pickup the slide positions better having a low Bb out in 6 position, which just aligns everything more instinctively for me.
That is so useful for me because I wasn’t aloud to play the trumpet when I joined band bc of my big lips so I got stuck with a trombone and I’m planning on switching to a trumpet for marching band and I need a bigger mouth piece so this would be so useful and helpful for me
I need to send this to my band director
I play both trombone and trumpet and I practice both that's the only way to successfully play both
We have an old (1930's) Blessing Cornet that has been in my wife's family for a couple generations. I've always struggled to play it. I bought the Chason setup about a year ago to see if it would help. I've had very limited success. It feels like there is even more back pressure, and my sound is actually worse. This year I tried a Denis Wick cornet mouthpiece and found it made the horn much easier to play. I like the idea, and it's certainly a lot of fun to watch the performances Wycliffe Gordon does on soprano trombone. In my case there is something about the mouthpiece / horn / player combination that doesn't work very well.
What you say certainly makes sense; as you said the idea is fun but truthfully it is a mismatch in a few different ways. As I mentioned I'm not going to be going out to take any trumpet gigs anytime soon with the Wybrid but for my in-shop needs I think it has merit...
It could be more back pressure because the Chason was designed for trumpet instead of cornet. That being said, using a conventional mouthpiece is probably better than a hybrid. There are pretty large mouthpieces for trumpet/cornet out there. Some around 18mm and higher, which is huge for trumpet/cornet.
How is it to play piano or pianissimo on it? It seems like trombonists might end up overblowing the trumpet. Air control has got to be super important with a setup like that.
It's twice the size of a Standard 7C Trumpet Mouthpiece (it could be a 14C).
Does it works on tenor small bore trombones or on contralto trombones?
No, it won't work. Small bore Tenors and Altos both use a small shank trombone mouthpiece, this is basically a full-on trumpet mouthpiece because it's meant to be used on trumpet and soprano trombone
So, it could be an adaptation as something like a pipe?
A cursed setup
Awesome! 😃 Yeah! ;) Forget trying to get ya chops to just “readjust”! I tried getting used to an actual trumpet’s mouthpiece and I can’t do it! :( My chops are just THAT used to the trombone and the euphonium’s thickness.
How can I do to buy one?
We have them available at shop.schmittmusic.com/pickett-brass-the-wybrid-trombone-trumpet-mouthpiece/; let us know if you have any questions!
What are the available numbers? I play with a 6 1/2, in both calibers (long and thin). What is the hybrid numbering indicable for me? Would I need 2 mouthpiece with different outlets, or would only 1 mouthpiece work?
Your comments on alto trombone not being easier for high range are exactly why I think people really should be using roughly 20-21mm rims for that instrument. Even 20mm is gigantic compared to what people use for other alto instruments such as the British tenor horn, the French horn, and the mellophone, all of which really are easier to play in the proper alto range. If, as an experienced player, you cannot consistently and confidently reach the 10th partial of your instrument, you are using gear that is inappropriate. The only exceptions I would make are for piccolo trumpet and bass trombone, since that instrument really is used as if it is in F or G.
does this goes with flugle as well?
Right now the Pickett Wybrid is only available in trumpet shank, while most flugels take cornet shank. The last I checked Chanson Music still offered a hybrid mouthpiece with cornet shank, although this may have changed...
Need one
Looks like an Al Cass Trombone to Trumpet doubler
🙃
Why is it so gosh dang expensive
so that's a no!
Extensive review. I don’t really see a use for this mouthpiece. Off the subject, have you ever reviewed the old Conn 4H trombones?
It seems to me that if you want to play a soprano trombone or trumpet, you really need to use the mouthpiece that was designed for the instrument. I would have thought that in the history of the soprano trombone/slide trumpet and the trumpet, that someone along the way would have designed a mouthpiece to make transition from the smaller instrument to the bigger instrument easier before 2020. I know that you are not a trumpeter at all, but I noticed that the sound of the instrument with the mouthpiece was not unacceptable at all, but the articulations used in the performance seemed very heavy and distorted. With a $185.00 proce tag and all the work that would be needed to use this mouthpiece in a performance setting, a trombonist would be better off saving the money and using the appropriate mouthpiece for the smaller instrument and just invest the time into that smaller instrument. It really seems like the equivalent of this mouthpiece would be like designing a tenor sax mouthpiece with the internals of a soprano sax mouthpiece. It can be done, but since Adolphe Sax invented the instrument in 1840, that mouthpiece design has not been successful. Saxophonists still have to use the appropriate mouthpiece with the appropriate instrument along with the correct embouchure. The time to learn to play the smaller instrument is going to be taken by the musician regardless of the mouthpiece. I think this is a good idea in theory but fails in practice. Just my thoughts.
Nobody has worried about a hybrid mouthpiece for saxophone because the reed is what vibrates, not the lips. There's a reason why an alto sax player can transfer to bari sax no problem and as soon as the pump the air out, they sound almost golden. When the lips are used to vibrating in a larger space (trombone mouthpiece), as soon as the space is decreased (trumpet mouthpiece) it can cause a lot of problems in the sound and physically in the lips, including possible focal dystonia, I'm sure. After two years, I'm trying to get my trumpet chops back that I had before after making the switch to trombone, and it hurts preeettty bad, the area where my trumpet mouthpiece sits is swollen and I don't even play with that much pressure. It's just that trombone players are used to having their lips inside the mouthpiece while trumpet players have a generally flat embouchure. Work with the original mouthpiece and instrument or work with the hybrid mouthpiece and the instrument is still work with the instrument, still have to work to make a good sound.
@@josephcallaway805 You analysis of the switch between saxophone mouthpieces is flawed. It is a lot more than air. There is lip pressure, teeth placement, throat opening, jaw opening, tongue placement, and lip placement that goes into a proper sax embouchure. The switch from alto to bari is far from easy. I have worked with saxophonists of all ages to make the switch and adjust their embouchures to play the two sax voices. On average, it takes about two months to get it right and then I can still tell the difference between the two sounds. The non-dominant mouthpiece loses all the time. Your problems in regaining your trumpet chops sounds like you need outside help. I have to wonder with the swollen lips on trumpet if there is some allergy happening. I know that certain mouthpiece materials can cause localized allergic reactions. If I were you, I would find a good teacher, a different mouthpiece, and keep practice sessions to shorter intervals on the trumpet. I have met too many brass players and taught too many students to think that your problems are normal. Find a good trumpet teacher to help you and really look at your mouthpieces.
Sorry, but this mouthpiece doesn't work at all for me. The shallowness of the cup is one thing, which you mention. Blowing a C below the staff absolutely feels as though you are playing a fifth higher. You want to use the fingerings that go up from G and not from low C. You might put in a lot of time trying to make this work and end up getting nowhere. I'd say that if being able to blow some trumpet is important enough to you, get used to making the change to the small mouthpiece.
This sounds really bad.
A trom-pet?
LOL!
This can be used on a Baroque Trumpet:www.baroquetrumpet.com/products/accessories Thanks to this adapter
How can I purchase one sir