When I started specifically buying lighter discs in the 160-167 range, my game improved dramatically. Not just scoring rounds but it also helped me understand what a disc (for my abilities) SHOULD fly like and then helped me do little tweaks to my form. As I built up speed, now I throw the heavier drivers properly. Though I still prefer the lighter weights and not having to use as much power.
Big fan of lightweight discs. One of the hidden benefits - distance control is easier because as a light disc loses velocity it will drop out faster than a heavier disc.
We have a bit of wind in Wellington NZ... Something I found from that... When throwing cross wind... Use an under-stable disc (I have a Beast -2, 2 that turns over if thrown flat)... and throw with your back to the wind.. (So RHBH to go Right, RHFH to go left). A flippy disc will turn into the wind and fight to stay there, holding itself level (until eventually fading off). An over stable disc will drop its wind side edge and get pushed into the ground, or if Hyzered, exposes it's belly and goes down wind then collapses as it runs out of spin. (Oh and overhead Rollers in crosswind... top to the windward side (or it will just blow over onto it's top)... but angle it AWAY from the wind (otherwise the wind pushes the low side under and it lands on its top))
My bro gave me a fission Photon a couple years ago, said it was too flippy for him. I weighed it, and it's 145g. It is flippy, but I keep it in the bag because it does still have a good amount of fade, so on a downhill hole with a tailwind, it absolutely bombs.
I'm also 55.. and I've over disc'd to a Catalyst that is high 160's and get a nice straight long drive out of it (unless I forget to over-grip it and it pulls out prematurely (well that's what she said)... I prefer the 170 range and find the lightweight ones too flighty... but then again I live in Wellington where on our windiest year we recorded 233 days at Gale force or greater... so... yeah maybe the light breeze makes my mind up about weight..
i have a dedicated bag of lightweight discs, minus putting putters. Such a fun bag. But not all lightweight discs were “usable” when creating the bag. Lots of trial & error.
My wife and I started playing 2 years ago with standard weight (180) discs. I am in the process of switching them out with much lighter weight ones. We are both 52 and don’t have the arm speed to throw the standard weight ones. I am tired of working so hard to throw them just to see them fall short of their potential distances. Obviously the lighter one goes farther- why play with the heavier ones?
I have a friend I call my 'Disc Bank' (He buys lots of discs then decides he wants something else (usually with a picture on it)). He has an Innova StarLite Boss 13,5, -1, 3 (at something like 138g). I have a Glow Beast 10, 5, -2, 2... (170g+, and 10 speed about it for my 330ft max 55yo arm) Both worn, the Glow Beast looks battle scarred, the Boss, fairly tidy if a little faded... I can throw the Beast at about 30deg Hyzer and get a nice S path... and 330ft at least once... I can throw the Boss at 45deg Hyzer and turn it over.... It's a 13speed (above my arm's pay grade) and over stable... so why can I easily turn it over (usually a whole 90deg to 45deg Anhyzer) I'm guessing (before even watching the video) that if you go too light (StarLite and Blizzard etc) the discs start getting under-stable...) Oh and rollers... (My disc of choice is a dead flat top Cosmic Neutron Tesla). 1pm RHFH overhead aimed to hit 30ft out down wind and it goes (280ft so far that I've measured).
The rim with all the small divots is called bubble rim or blizzard rim hence where the blizzard plastic came from. Which is the same thing they did to these destroyers
loved this comparison. Last summer (2023), I made two changes: reduce the number of molds and reduced weight. I am 57, playing for 4 years, rated 860, and could throw 300ft consistently. Max weight on Mid-ranges and slower. 169g for fairway (Eagle, Teebird, Mantis, Thunderbird, Sidewinder, and Crave), exception 173-175 Thunderbird and Eagle for FH. Max distance 300-315ft. Control driver (Tesla, Beast) in various stages of use at 164g. Max distance 320ft. And distance drivers. So...I feel that I got kinda lucky but a 158 Scorch is perfect for me - Easy 350-375 for my form. just maxed at 399 last week. I have 162g Wraith but still to heavy as max distance is 300; I do have a 147 Star Wraith Ken Klimo which does exactly what your Destroyer does; and crazy distance if I have enough height and width; otherwise it feels uncontrollable. I wonder what a 147g Destroyer would do in my hand? I FH a 162g Destroyer at 275 - 300ft and BH severe headwinds. I also have a 166g GStar Wraith that has a little more distance than the 162g Champion or Star. These are touchy during the summer as the heat/humidity really changes the flight characteristics. I am waiting for the Discraft Drive to drop some weight. Or considering the Grace.
When I started specifically buying lighter discs in the 160-167 range, my game improved dramatically. Not just scoring rounds but it also helped me understand what a disc (for my abilities) SHOULD fly like and then helped me do little tweaks to my form. As I built up speed, now I throw the heavier drivers properly. Though I still prefer the lighter weights and not having to use as much power.
Big fan of lightweight discs. One of the hidden benefits - distance control is easier because as a light disc loses velocity it will drop out faster than a heavier disc.
We have a bit of wind in Wellington NZ... Something I found from that...
When throwing cross wind...
Use an under-stable disc (I have a Beast -2, 2 that turns over if thrown flat)...
and throw with your back to the wind.. (So RHBH to go Right, RHFH to go left).
A flippy disc will turn into the wind and fight to stay there, holding itself level (until eventually fading off).
An over stable disc will drop its wind side edge and get pushed into the ground, or if Hyzered, exposes it's belly and goes down wind then collapses as it runs out of spin.
(Oh and overhead Rollers in crosswind... top to the windward side (or it will just blow over onto it's top)... but angle it AWAY from the wind (otherwise the wind pushes the low side under and it lands on its top))
My bro gave me a fission Photon a couple years ago, said it was too flippy for him. I weighed it, and it's 145g. It is flippy, but I keep it in the bag because it does still have a good amount of fade, so on a downhill hole with a tailwind, it absolutely bombs.
I decrease disc weights linearly with speed. My 4s are 166, and decrease down where my 11s are 145.
I’m 55 and my 151g Diamond is my favorite and most used disc in my bag for three years now.
I'm also 55.. and I've over disc'd to a Catalyst that is high 160's and get a nice straight long drive out of it (unless I forget to over-grip it and it pulls out prematurely (well that's what she said)... I prefer the 170 range and find the lightweight ones too flighty...
but then again I live in Wellington where on our windiest year we recorded 233 days at Gale force or greater... so... yeah maybe the light breeze makes my mind up about weight..
i have a dedicated bag of lightweight discs, minus putting putters. Such a fun bag. But not all lightweight discs were “usable” when creating the bag. Lots of trial & error.
Sounds like a fun bag to throw around!
My wife and I started playing 2 years ago with standard weight (180) discs. I am in the process of switching them out with much lighter weight ones. We are both 52 and don’t have the arm speed to throw the standard weight ones. I am tired of working so hard to throw them just to see them fall short of their potential distances. Obviously the lighter one goes farther- why play with the heavier ones?
Gotta try the zero G line to really get light
I use light weight disc, I feel like I can bomb them further. I don’t have a strong arm
This proves that significant weight differences matter. 2-3 grams does not.
I throw lighter weight when I can especially in fission. It rocks
When it's calm I like to fling a 130-135 gram Gateway Spear on a fairly steep hyzer, maybe 30-40 degrees. Wow.
I have a friend I call my 'Disc Bank' (He buys lots of discs then decides he wants something else (usually with a picture on it)).
He has an Innova StarLite Boss 13,5, -1, 3 (at something like 138g).
I have a Glow Beast 10, 5, -2, 2... (170g+, and 10 speed about it for my 330ft max 55yo arm)
Both worn, the Glow Beast looks battle scarred, the Boss, fairly tidy if a little faded...
I can throw the Beast at about 30deg Hyzer and get a nice S path... and 330ft at least once...
I can throw the Boss at 45deg Hyzer and turn it over.... It's a 13speed (above my arm's pay grade) and over stable... so why can I easily turn it over (usually a whole 90deg to 45deg Anhyzer)
I'm guessing (before even watching the video) that if you go too light (StarLite and Blizzard etc) the discs start getting under-stable...)
Oh and rollers... (My disc of choice is a dead flat top Cosmic Neutron Tesla). 1pm RHFH overhead aimed to hit 30ft out down wind and it goes (280ft so far that I've measured).
Aloha from Maui!
That’s awesome! Aloha!
The rim with all the small divots is called bubble rim or blizzard rim hence where the blizzard plastic came from. Which is the same thing they did to these destroyers
Thanks!
You still can’t, discraft is sold out on all but 1 esp disc under 170g 😂😢
loved this comparison. Last summer (2023), I made two changes: reduce the number of molds and reduced weight. I am 57, playing for 4 years, rated 860, and could throw 300ft consistently. Max weight on Mid-ranges and slower.
169g for fairway (Eagle, Teebird, Mantis, Thunderbird, Sidewinder, and Crave), exception 173-175 Thunderbird and Eagle for FH. Max distance 300-315ft.
Control driver (Tesla, Beast) in various stages of use at 164g. Max distance 320ft.
And distance drivers. So...I feel that I got kinda lucky but a 158 Scorch is perfect for me - Easy 350-375 for my form. just maxed at 399 last week. I have 162g Wraith but still to heavy as max distance is 300; I do have a 147 Star Wraith Ken Klimo which does exactly what your Destroyer does; and crazy distance if I have enough height and width; otherwise it feels uncontrollable. I wonder what a 147g Destroyer would do in my hand? I FH a 162g Destroyer at 275 - 300ft and BH severe headwinds. I also have a 166g GStar Wraith that has a little more distance than the 162g Champion or Star. These are touchy during the summer as the heat/humidity really changes the flight characteristics.
I am waiting for the Discraft Drive to drop some weight. Or considering the Grace.
Wanna throw Cfp tomorrow?
Don’t think I can tomorrow busy w videos in the morning and usually am editing for most the day , then going to a dragons game