Warhammer 3 Khorne is Overpowered Explained
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2022
- Total War: Warhammer 3 gameplay of Khorne. Explaining his mechanics in detail and how is the the most busted faction of the new Total War: Warhammer 3 races. This is Total War (declare war on everyone) stream to follow.
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I am Really hyped for this one. Will we be the first to witness Legend using more than 3 melee units in an army?
Bestigors doomstack strongly disagree
:D
Oops, all skull cannons
Skeleton doom stack.
Dragon ogre shaggoth doomstack.
Necrosphinx doom stack.
He messes with more melee units than he cares to admit.
*Edit: Good God, people, this comment was just to make a fucking point. Get off my ass about the differences between melee monster units and melee infantry units. I don’t need the lecture.
Seriously, melee units needed some loving in tw wh. I'm excited to try out Khorne when game releases.
Whats interesting is how it seems that pre-battle speeches are back as well, albeit when the battle itself starts, rather than actually before the battle. I noticed that with the Daemon Prince fights
It seems like the general speeches in Rome 2
@@ryanschmidt3319 i'm hoping since the daemon prince is customisable, that it'll be a lot more rome 1 - ie. dependent on traits
Man when you got a crazy general the speeches were hilarious
It's like the speeches in Rome 2 I think ^^
I noticed that in a campaign with Cathay, and Miaoling made two different speeches (didn't really understood them though ith the streamer talking XD).
I would like a proper focus on them tbh, like the old games. Having the battle start means you have no time to listen to it.
"I fully align with Tzeentch" The God of Schemes appreciates your loyalty
What is the God of Schemes, to the Man of Cheese?
Just as planned.
Lore wise he is the most boring. His thing is just plot twists and subversion of expectation. Pretty much like every hollywood remake...
Tzeentch can force the two Dragon Siblings to go to war with each other
@@googleandsusansucks I mean if you put it that way, all of the gods can be "boring." Khorne is just mindless bloodshed, Nurgle just has a kind of creepy almost friendly vibe, and Slaanesh is just all the sensation always all the time.
Khorne being good in a game series called “Total War” is too fitting
This. Why is anyone surprised by this outcome?
@@rjhogan07 because he specializes in the weakest unit type and isn't actually good at fighting battles
@@AnarexicSumo huh?
@@AnarexicSumo He 2-4 taps legendary lords when his passive is fully charged. I get that he's lacking when fighting blobs of enemies, but hes pretty much THE best against any single entity unit.
@@TimeyWimey. as he should be!
Each chaos god has their own lore of magic, and then there's Khorne, smashing his own sword on top of people's heads.
The blood god doesn’t need some fancy magic trick, a true warrior kill his enemies himself.
@@florians9949 Whats his opinion on nukes and WMD?
@@dean_l33 Boring probably
@@swordchronicle But does it still counts?
@@dean_l33 Khorne: I AM THE WMD!
Something that went unmentioned is when you go into the Chaos real of Khorne with Skarbrand you can get a unique weapon which is a Chainsword (basically from 40k) which grants Skarbrand the same ability of increasing weapon strenght but up to 300%.
Skarbrand can literally one shot most lords with that provided he has been killing enough before hand.
Its by far the most OP faction in the whole game
Its mentioned in this shortly after 18:00
@@midnightllama777 Thats the 100% weapon strenght boost. Im talking about 300%
Who has coverage of this? I'd like to see it.
@@Demonicgamer666 indypride has video of him taking out nkai in 4 hits.
@@Demonicgamer666 milkandcookiesTW
Blood for the Blood God! I really hope melee infantry will get some love with at least this faction on higher difficulties
very hard got a minor nerf on the leadership +12 to +8 I think, seems better from what I’ve seen on his streams
I hope heroes will be able too boost infantry in more significant ways, as Skavens Warlock Engineers or Dwarfs Spesialists, i hope they do simular stuff with all the races
Say if possible to boost durability of orcs or speed or high and dark elfs units, also hope they add alot more heroes and lord traits, with also a refresher button, so we dont have to recruit heroes and than disband then to eventually get what we seek for
So you get 3 heroes and 3 lord with terrible traits, refresh it for next turn or so, a little less tiredsome
But when it comes to infantry i do think best way is thro heroes
Fat chance. CA couldn't even be arsed to put a respec for confederated lords
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE. ALL PRAISE BE TO KHORN
@@lordsneek2660 dont worry theres a mod for that
When Khorne finds out his forces in TW3 are stronger on a strategy map than in actual combat, his roars of rage will herald the End Times.
it makes sense that its op but i don't even mind, its just mindless battle after battle after battle, which can be fun sometimes. The more variations in gameplay the better. not every faction needs to be super complex to play
Yeah its nice to have your Khornes and your Skavens or vampire counts. Especially since its a new release so maybe some more players will like the game
i agree, it is suppuse to snowball like this
Hearing Legend explain to me that my most anticipated Chaos God and faction to play as is broken makes me so happy! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, MATES!
Milk for the khorne flakes
Maim! Kill! Burn! MAIM! KILL! BURN!
I am excited for khorne as well. Even thou everybody was saying Khorne will be bad I still wanted to play this faction first. Thou I'm super excited for so many factions. This will be a long month
I was really worried that Khorne was going to be the punching bag of the game (bit like Norsca) but the opposite is true
Unga bunga faction good!
Legend: Khorne is overpowered.
Me: wait, Khorne didn't have magic and archers, wtf?
Legend: Khorne is also very weak on the actual battlefield, he always needs the numerical advantage to win
Me: oh, that's how it is.
Yes, it's quite the caveat.
Skarbrand's weapons to Skarbrand after he killed the enemy Lord: That still only counts as one!
You know..I really hope they use the third game as a way to fix Nakai, thats his whole backstory, hes the demon slaying gator, maybe he has a unique debuff on Demon units? Or maybe a buff, something that could lead to a rework.
Maybe they fix all horde factions after the Beastmen blueprint
@@PenguinIceDelta id be glad to see it, maybe even stretch it to giving Markus Wulfhart some tlc.
@@lukascreech3229 don't get crazy, fuck that "it puts the lotion on the skin" serial killer
@@PenguinIceDelta hey, just cause id like to see his campaign not be a shitshow doesnt mean i prefer to steamroll him as the lizardmen 24/7
@@lukascreech3229 beatings will continue until morale improves 😅
I love the new way lords and heros are marked during the battle. Instead of them just having the same flags as everyone else, you have their portrait along with their level. Very easily readable and conveys all needed information at a glance, exactly what it needs to do.
On the same note I initially disliked the "Zzz" on idle units, watching it now it's very easy to notice and I'm starting to like it, serves it's purpose really well.
Good job CA.
The zzz on units in huge melee blobs in particular is nice, since it can be hard to tell if a unit is doing nothing, or waiting its turn.
it can also be disabled if its breaking immersion
Love to see this. Taurox was similar, where Beasts are usually kind of dull, but his campaign was absolutely hilarious.
You know something is strong when he says OP and not cheese
Am actually pleased a melee faction is considered op
On the campaign map. Not in battle
@@theStamax I just watched an video of Skarbrand soloing an entire army with 3k WD.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Their magic was considered the best lore in TWW2. Magic made vampires strong, not their melee units
I kind of expected that tbh. He's got no ranged or magic options, so playing him on very hard battle difficulty would be absolutely miserable if he wasn't at least a little busted in melee.
@@Okamikirby but they now need serious help in the mortal empires map since infinite casting is gone
I sense a lot of saving your disaster battles with Khorne 😀
Khorne looks neat and all, but I am not a fan of the dry heaving bloodthirster sound effects whenever they are selected.
Who would have thought the god of murder and bloodshed might be overpowered.
Certainly not those nerdy tzeentch fanboys lol
@@LuzikArbuzik77 You don't need to be OP if you can force Order factions to fight each other
@@indrickboreale7381 spoken like a tru Tzeentchbro
I certaintly didn't expect him to be weakest at actual battles. Campaign superiority should belong to Tzench, battle one to Khorn, diplomatic one to Slanesh and settlement building to Nurgle.
Or the most powerful God in the setting...
This map gives me a Dawn of War vibe.. especially with the capture points and chaos units
First one was the best.
@Fa Mulan there’s 3 games?
@@CraneTiger2 nah, 3rd is best.
@@ESKATEUK I heard 3rd was the worst? What makes it the best? I’ve been wanting to play it.
THIS COMMENT SECTION SHOULD BE ON ALL CAPS.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
CORN FOR THE CORNFLAKES
It seems khorne is an incredibly tactic based faction. You always have to be planning moves ahead, planning battles ahead, trying to optimize everything you do, and trying to predict what the AI will do to counter you...
Something a sizable portion of total war players don't do.
I can't wait for the sheer quantity of khorne disaster battles.
It's also totally off flavor for khorne
Blood Pact from 40k disagrees
@@sagacity1071 Khorne's legions are the only demons who have an organised force in the lore, so they is tactics, just no range or magic
@@leilagorrilla4842 tactics yes.... sneaky cunning no
@@sagacity1071 he never said anything about sneaky cunning stuff, that's why i found your comment odd
Honestly, I am looking forward to playing all chaos factions.
But the one I am propably most interested in is Nurgle
I hope they do not nerf the mechanics. Like this you can play a melee army and actually have loats of fun and since its singleplayer it dosent matter if its busted or not.
Mod it however you like bro
@@jjakariasman2545 just shit out whichever mod you want to see and play bro. totally brooo
@@god0fgames100 sorry? I know there a lot of good mods for quality of life features but the only mod I would play are the race ones when tww has no more content
Hes busted in multiplayer too 😂
I was like "damn this faction is OP" but then I looked at the turn counter in the corner... bruh this busted af for turn 12, lvl 18 legendary lord and armies galore. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.
Saw this coming a mile away and I'm totally on board with it, a melee race having viability and fun mechanics on higher difficulties? sign me the fuck up
Khorne understands the power of recursion.
Never have I thought I'ld ever see the words "Khorne" and "Overpowered" in the same sentence... It's beautiful...
12:27
Finally, we can truly have the staunch line of melee infantry we've always wanted, not quite spears but close enough
To summarize: Khorne is strong if you play how Khorne would want you to play. Good job CA :)
Okay. I have tempered my expectaions and waited to see (So I'm not disappointed like I was with DoW3) and just for once a game seems to be living up to how good I wanted it to be. Great success ! Cheers Legend.
I can't wait to start recording and streaming my Khorne Campaigns I use to play Chaos Khorne on the table top game it was awesome to charge through Magic heavy reliant armies, not many of us have to make it there but the ones that do are sure going to pile on the hurt.
I'm usually late to the stream, but I'm so hyped for TWWIII that for the first time I noticed there's a countdown at the beginning xp. Great as always legend!
You haven’t witnessed the majesty of Skarbrand until you’ve gone done the weapon damage skill tree branch, which eventually gives him 3000 weapon strength at 100% stack (meaning 3-4 shooting most heroes and lords).
A melee focused faction with no magic being overpowered for once...
It's about damn time!
A success in and of itself
Getting all the Skarbrand quotes from TTS together for your livestream.
I'm about to start my first khorne campagine. Thanks for the heads up bub.
you can hear the excitement in Jeff's voice. You love to see it.
I was very glad to hear that you to align with tzeentch
Looks fun. My first campaign will be Nurgle, though. The Nurglings look so happy, can't wait to crapstack the world to doom
Im glad they are OP they should be, its very fitting for their faction. Cant wait :D
Happy to see you get an early access key!
Dont lie Legend, you are aligned with the Great Horned Rat
That unholy manifestation can be used to gain movement after you're attacked, and if any enemy armies are nearby they'll come in as reinforcements so I've used it to wipe out armies that were too far away for me to attack myself. 🤣
His killing power can go up to 3k (probably overkill) with the chainsword. Saw it on MilkandCookiesTW.
Killed Nakari in 4 hits.
Thanks for the video, good work!
When he invaded the humans at lvl 35 everyone else was still like 20 or less . He murdered everyone and nearly took my whole army out when we joint attacked. It’s stupid crazy
I think that Khorne not being that good in battle is kind of a good thing. It makes the campaign feel more like a wave of chaos relentlessly hitting your enemies when combined with their campaign mechanics, just like I think Khorne should feel. You aren't outsmarting your enemy and tricking them into submission, you aren't finding ways to have the perfect counter to an enemy tactic or equipment, you are drowning them in blood and skulls until you win.
Made a pot o’ coffee specifically for this video. Bless.
What’s not to like? They immediately get access to super armored chaos knights of khorne that have frenzy and a shield. Their first tier demon infantry is anti infantry and pretty beefy. A few turns after that and you get halberds also with frenzy. Really good khorne dogs that just get better with chariot and rider upgrades. You get a heavy metal motor bike that shoots gouts of fires and does donuts in blobs of enemies. It may not have ranged units but with all that armor a ranged ai army is going to have a rough time doing anything to your early game chaos knights especially with all the doggos and furries running/flying about. Also skarbrand is a beast.
Great vid and damn that's op
I AM SO FUCKING HYPED FOR THIS
5 days after my birthday too
the siege gameplay looks so much more nuanced and tactical. I didn’t hate sieges nearly as much as most did in WH2, but man this is a huge step up
I hope they release a melee overhaul to make melee units more effective on the battlefield. I’m entirely unsure what they could do to fix it though? Maybe increase in health and damage resistance?
Have you seen Indypride's video yet?
Khornate forces have access to a unique Chainsword weapon, which also has the "Slaughter & Carnage" ability, but instead of a 100% bonus cap on weapon and ap damage, it has a cap of 300%. Skarbrand can get this weapon pretty much in the beginning of the campaign during the first 5 turns in Khorne's domain.
In Indypride's campaign, Skarbrand ran amok on the battlefield with 3,2k weapon strength, 2-shotting heroes and 4-shotting N'kari arround turn 30. Considering that all of Skarbrand's fighter traits increase his weapon strength, I guess the limit would be more like 4 or 5k. That also means that Skarbrand basically becomes a 1-man-doomstack, allowing you to let him do the battles for you while you keep the rest of your army in reserve for sieges and the like, so you don't need to worry about replenishment that much.
Guess we'll see some nerfs for Khorne in the future. CA overdid his faction a little bit. :
I wonder how many skavenslave slingers it takes to kill him.
The rift don’t open till turn 30ish right, and khorne will take the weapon back if u enter other realms so better to take the weapon last
NOBODY beforehand would have guessed that Khorne would be he most OP
I mean... the Blood Host thing sounded pretty ridiculous from the start, honestly its implementation in game is weaker than I was expecting (I wasn't expecting them to be full of top tier units or anything but I was expecting them to be full stacks of Bloodletters lead by a (non-exalted) Bloodthirster, I also expected them to be something that could completely snowball (one host would become 2 which would become 3, then 4 and then they'd be getting new armies faster than losing them) but the fact that Blood Hosts created by Blood Hosts have 5 fewer units makes that seem somewhat less likely (harder to set up in any case), the fact that the blog post said that "The power of these armies scales with how many you have created" made me think that the opposite would be the case if anything
also the blog post said that Blood Hosts would spawn with full movement, seems like that got changed since Legend showed that they actually spawn with no movement.
like I don't know what others were thinking but I came away from the Khorne mechanics blog post thinking that they were basically an entire race of Tauroxes with extra blood and rage and snowballing.
The blog post actually made me think that Kohrne was the weakest of all Chaos on the campaign map. They don't make it easy to understand on those posts. It's A LOT of vague language.
can't wait for the Skarbrand vs. Kholek Suneater duel
I knew khorne was gonna be op when they explained the campaign mechanics.
Learned my lesson the hard way my first playthrough with khorne. Ignored Slanesh up north and they came down and smacked me later. Second playthrough I watched this video beforehand and made sure to stomp them out early
Tzeentch: Listen, SONNY. You can't just run at an enemy! No, first you must flank, buff your forces and drain their morale!
Khorne: Ha ha, Axe go splat
Hi Legend, is the new game heavier on the GPU / CPU in comparison to WH 2? Did you notice any FPS drops on regular gameplay?
khrone seems like the usual playstyle from what chaos warriors usually do with having little to no income but doing battles gives you so stupid amount of money its ok as someone who enjoys chaos in the other games (or atleast the base feeling of them) i think playing khorne is gonna be amazing
Btw legend its the Chaos god with the most corruption on the map that becomes ascended
WAIT THIS IS GOING TO BE MELEE UNITS TIME WOOOOOO
I know a while back you had to record at a lower bitrate, do you still have that on? Map pretty fuzzy
IT sounds like im hearing some new music in the soundtrack. Did they add more variety than the 2 songs that have currently in game 2 lol.
Ooh my computer is going to strain to run this...
Ascendency likelihood is based on relative amount of favour, armies and settlements a God controls, not random luck only.
I NEED it to be February!!! I’m soo excited!!
Love it! Can’t wait to play Khorne
"A path of destruction and ruin left by the army." Can not wait to play khorne.
Legend aligns with the Changer of Ways, the Architect of Fate, surprising absolutely no one.
The in-battle notification ''enemy building is under attack'' appears a bit too much though.
You can customize exactly which popups appear in a battle.
This looks so fun, im really excited for this one
I love Nurgle and i look forward to see kugath in you´re hands
Random question: Does Legendary still have a limited battle camera range? Maybe it's just me, but it looks different in this battle.
Pleasantly surprised after they seemed to be not up to scratch that it's turned on its head and now Khorne is suitably busted, really getting hyped for WH3 now
Loving your Tzeentch salt Legend, Blood for the Blood god!
I wonder if you attack the settlement again after sacking you can stop him from moving back.
It has to be right after you select sack. It worked in 2.
Isn't there the chainsword from 40k for Scarbrand bringing his weapon damage up to 3k?
Idk these new races are looking mighty OP, idk if they are as OP as Alith Anar though. Dude has a cheap doomstack, get a shadow mage for slows/speed/root, a handmaiden for hawkeye, and you really can't lose. And the ambushes are just the cherry on top.
anyone else noticing blood hosts tend to dissapear when u fight out the battle on a settlement? I click colonise or skulls for blood god after winning - proceeded by my blood host army disappearing instantly and the settlement remaining in enemy control unrazed. Doesnt do it when I auto resolve, only noticed it coz one said close defeat so I played it out and got phryic victory - followed by nuts in my face
Can't wait for Nurgle embargo to lift
I got in a settlement battle with Khorne (me as Khorne attacking) agains a Slaneeshi army, the settlement had only two entrances, both pointing south. I can not get through the doorframe, the bottlenecks are incredibly frustrating.
Did chaos warriors not exist for khorne yet or something? Because otherwise fielding only almost entirely bloodletters is kinda goofy. It's pretty clear you're supposed to use marauders, warriors or chosen to act as the meat shields while the blood letters charge in afterwards to kill. Or does that not work due to some hard difficulty AI buffs?
Honestly, I feel like there were a lot of ways to better exemplify how Skarbrand is such a strong faction, especially more than saying his units are weak. I agree that he is really strong. His units are able to do pretty good in combat if you work them correctly, using your Chaos Warriors to hold a line while your Bloodletters punch their infantry with that cover, and using your Hounds and Furies to flank and disrupt their ranged units, plus using your AOE buffs and monstrous units to shred the enemy and keep your men alive. That survivability, plus their abilities of foreign replenishment, up to -50% global recruitment costs, and 1-turn global recruitment duration for basic infantry, as well as Skarbrand himself being an absolute menace to infantry, characters, cavalry, even enemies with charge defenses, what with life regeneration, magical fire attacks, terror, high speed, and multiple self-buffs.
I agree that he is super strong, with his biggest downsides being his high unit costs, and lack of unit varieties, but I still feel like the rest of those buffs make that up tenfold
I have heard of the weapon damage buff with Khorne for Skarbrand that can get it up to 3k in a fight. Milkandcookies did a video show casing this and it is insane.
Who knew the chaos god thats more intertwined with war is good in a total war game.
What about the skull cannon doomstack? From the numbers and ammo recharge, it looks like a unit that's basically made for cheese..
Bloodletters sound like a stereotyped version of Arnold Schwarzenegger pitch shifted down
I was excited to play an all melee race and glad to hear they wont be trash
Chálamet. Both great dramatic actors and both very baby faced (or at least Leo was when he was Chalamet’s age)
Skarbrand the Brass Bull! He has the same animations even!
Never in a million years did i think i'd play Khorne as my first campaign. But that's exactly what i'm going to do in a few weeks.
Legend who would you recommend for someone getting back into warhammer for wh3 races
That weapon begs the question if killing a mammoth counts as much as killing a unit of marauders when charging.
Good. I haven't even seen the video or any WH3 videos yet, but I WANT all 3 of the Chaos gods to be overpowered, they are the god damn Chaos gods after all haha
Why does it take 2000 skulls to occupy a settlement? Interior decorating?
thats a little genius of CA, they made a melee only faction but laso convinced Legend to like it (maybe?). really good balance between op campaign mechanics and battle difficulty
That is the blood god for you unbeliever