I'd have this over an M5. I don't care between REALLY fast and slightly faster and I'm not a racingdriver so I don't care about it's soft suspension. The Jag just appeals to me more.
@SutzStaffe89 - no, Top Gear isn't biased towards British cars. Plenty of times they've savaged British cars - notably Rovers and Vauxhalls. Sure, the XF hasn't QUITE got the M5's pace on a track, but the M5 would struggle to pull out any meaningful lead - and, as TG said, the XFR is much easier to drive on public roads. Therefore, I think it's fair to say that the Jag is better overall...
@vika01 - it's still not the same as having a mechanical connection with the gearbox, including being able to skip over gears (if you want to go straight from fifth to second, then you can!). Sequential paddle-shift autos are nothing like as nice as manuals.
@mistabig3 - that's on the way. They thought they were limited by the gearbox, but BMW now puts 550hp through the same gearbox in the X6M, so Jag will bring out a more powerful version. The Bonneville record-breaking XFR had about 620hp...
A smaller pulley and some remapping will make this an animal. Can't hope for those types of gains in a highly strung N/A motor. This motor is a torque monster (like the old AMG 55 motor was).
@EccentricRichard Yeah seeing more on the Jag diesel I do have to agree with you! Defo like you said get back to something special just hope they can pull it off...
ITS really wonderful to see that TATA's did it again..!! TATA is brand name for reliability in INDIA.. and now its going to be a global Brand name for sure. Hats off to TATA leadership and British engineering.. !! I doubt why Ford was not able to do something like this for such a long time :-) Quite amazing to see this car which can even compete with Ashton Martin's (Forget BMW's - They are not luxury any more ) ... JAG'uar is the NEW LUXURY!!!!!!!
I like it. I think i'll buy a used one for $20k in about 3 years time. Jags do depreciate considerably though - consider a 2005 S-Type R (with low miles) - available now for around $15-18k and was originally sold for $60k.
@LukeXgamer the jag came out in 2009/10 and the 5 came out in 2005. they are years apart in technology yet the xf can only keep up? anyway new m5 next year! 550 bhp+!! dont get me wrong im not some bmw fanboy but the xfr cant be as good as the new m5 can it?
@EccentricRichard True, these Jag fans are reffering to 530d, which has about 245hp, but 535d has twin turbo 3 litre straight six with 286hp, and the newer 4.0d currently on X5 has 306 hp, but i think in time it will be put on 5 series aswell! I just dont get it, why do you buy such an expencive car with a diesel engine??? Why would you want a premium car with an agricultural engine??? I know they are more frugal and almost can match the pace with petrol, but then buy a VW or smth...
@sw1000xg - I love the XF, but I have to disagree over the Jag diesel. It's a V6, with a maximum of 270bhp, and is made of iron. BMW's is an inline six (which is better, smoother), with up to 300bhp, and is made from aluminium alloy. Jaguar need to get back to the straight-six configuration, and make their diesels from aluminium (and up the power!).
what everyone needs to remember is, the fastest saloon currently is the merc BRABUS, which is a chuned da shit out of merc by brabus, the jaguar on the other hand, the one sent to bonneville, had a more free flowing exhaust, supercharcher less restrained and ecu remapped clocked 225 mph on SALT, so imagin takin that to tarmac, u'd hit 240 mph or more. Jag xfr all da way, cnt w8 until xfr-s comz out
@LukeXgamer - to be fair, the only reason they dumped the BMW engines is because they obviously didn't want to pay BMW royalties on every car. The BMW V8 is a fine engine.
@sw1000xg 1 year after you posted this comment, bmw now has the new 35d engine which is better than the jag diesel, the new m5 has been unveiled and its got north of 550 bhp and the new 6 is actually a good match for the xk (which i prefer). but both jag and bmw are making great cars and i gues its just choice at the end of the day.
@EccentricRichard Right, like Top Gear isnt biased at all towards british cars... And Jeremy said its not as good on a track then an M5 but better on the road, so your claim doesnt seem so valid... I must admit that BMW is probably my favorite car brand BUT these new Jaguars are fantastic!!!!! They look great, go fast and handling isnt so bad either... Luxurywise i think Mercedes has just become obsolite...
Yeah right... Don't underestimate BMW..it is automotive icon. They make perfect sport saloons for decades,and no other carmaker could never compete with BMW !!
the jaguar xf-r has better handling then the cts-v and its alot better looking then the audi, and as for the e63 it has 518hp not 525, which is only 8 more hp then the xf-r also its lighter then all these cars. i bet around the track the jag places 1st or 2nd, plus its just great to look at. (i didnt mention the m5 cause its not released yet) but from what i see the jag is the best all around car in its class.
@twinsixty EVERYONE states the XFR is much better all round than the M5... Only thing better on the M5 is track performance, that's it!!! ~Comfort, looks, performance all to the Jag!!!
If aston is that weak then why would Tim Shrick choose it as the second best car for his VLN race? You do drive great cars but from what I'm reading I don't think you know much cars other than engine numbers and lap times.
it's not all about power on wheels. It's all about driver's experience. while M5 has i drive and needs a techno geek to get going, Audi's are driven cocks. merc is not bad, but their auto 'box takes years between pressing a paddle and actually change gears. You could be right, left trailing again, but at least it's not out of the radar anymore
@moonfades2009 - not true. The XFR spanks the M5's arse on the road, and, on the track, it's right on the M5's arse. Overall it's the better car. Just watch the Top Ger review.
What I love about the BMW noobs is how they critisise the first of the real BMW M5 competition from Jag! This is Jag's first of the new AJ GEN III engined car's, it's taken BMW from 2003 (the new M5) to now to make it that good. Yes it's a great car but lets see the XFR in 6 years of tunning and tweaking, playing around... Anyone remember the original idrive? BMW fanboys get over it, the Jag desiel beats BMW D, the XKR, beats BMWs M6 and the XFR is a better luxuary car than the M5...
@EccentricRichard Hmmmm top gear is biased quite a bit!!!Astons,Jags,and all the companies they deem to be cool or whatever...Thats the stuff they are proud of as Brits,so yes, they are pretty biased!!!Now,Jag XF is i think a tiny bit better then a normal 5 series,but M5 is the daddy!!! M5 is the original product, others are just copies.Very good copies, make no mistake, but the original is always the best!!! xD Some brands try to get buyers by giving more power (Merc E63) but its just makeup!!!
@twitchmassacre - "The RR Sport was designed while RR was under BMW ownership" - no it wasn't. You're thinking of the proper Range Rover, not the stupid bling POS Sport. Sporty SUVs are pointless, since there is nothing less sporty than an SUV. There is only one premium 4x4 worth having, and that's the Range Rover TDV8.
No other? HA Jaguar looks better drives better and sound real with real V8 engines lol... And Jaguar have only been making good cars for 4 years since they had money invested loooool!
Blast from the past Matt! Watching it in 2019
I'd have this over an M5. I don't care between REALLY fast and slightly faster and I'm not a racingdriver so I don't care about it's soft suspension.
The Jag just appeals to me more.
awesome! I've been waitting for this for such a long time. I'm sure this iconic car will redefines jaguar and it's time for the germans to get busy!
@SutzStaffe89 - no, Top Gear isn't biased towards British cars. Plenty of times they've savaged British cars - notably Rovers and Vauxhalls. Sure, the XF hasn't QUITE got the M5's pace on a track, but the M5 would struggle to pull out any meaningful lead - and, as TG said, the XFR is much easier to drive on public roads. Therefore, I think it's fair to say that the Jag is better overall...
@vika01 - it's still not the same as having a mechanical connection with the gearbox, including being able to skip over gears (if you want to go straight from fifth to second, then you can!). Sequential paddle-shift autos are nothing like as nice as manuals.
OMFG I want this car my Heart just can't take it any more... I... MUST... HAVE...
@mistabig3 - that's on the way. They thought they were limited by the gearbox, but BMW now puts 550hp through the same gearbox in the X6M, so Jag will bring out a more powerful version. The Bonneville record-breaking XFR had about 620hp...
@Southiedesi - to be fair to Ford, it was under their ownership that the XK, XF, XFR were developed (even much of the work on the new XJ).
Fabulous looking car.
the XFR is amazing. I wanna see it take on the CTS-V, which i also like.
A smaller pulley and some remapping will make this an animal. Can't hope for those types of gains in a highly strung N/A motor. This motor is a torque monster (like the old AMG 55 motor was).
Hmm... you can see that, eDiff notwithstanding, it's spinning power away on that unloaded inside rear tyre. Needs a proper limited-slip diff...
@EccentricRichard Yeah seeing more on the Jag diesel I do have to agree with you! Defo like you said get back to something special just hope they can pull it off...
ITS really wonderful to see that TATA's did it again..!! TATA is brand name for reliability in INDIA.. and now its going to be a global Brand name for sure.
Hats off to TATA leadership and British engineering.. !! I doubt why Ford was not able to do something like this for such a long time :-) Quite amazing to see this car which can even compete with Ashton Martin's (Forget BMW's - They are not luxury any more ) ... JAG'uar is the NEW LUXURY!!!!!!!
I like it. I think i'll buy a used one for $20k in about 3 years time.
Jags do depreciate considerably though - consider a 2005 S-Type R (with low miles) - available now for around $15-18k and was originally sold for $60k.
@LukeXgamer the jag came out in 2009/10 and the 5 came out in 2005. they are years apart in technology yet the xf can only keep up? anyway new m5 next year! 550 bhp+!!
dont get me wrong im not some bmw fanboy but the xfr cant be as good as the new m5 can it?
2:13 siccccccccck!!!! goosebumps alert!
@EccentricRichard True, these Jag fans are reffering to 530d, which has about 245hp, but 535d has twin turbo 3 litre straight six with 286hp, and the newer 4.0d currently on X5 has 306 hp, but i think in time it will be put on 5 series aswell! I just dont get it, why do you buy such an expencive car with a diesel engine??? Why would you want a premium car with an agricultural engine??? I know they are more frugal and almost can match the pace with petrol, but then buy a VW or smth...
i got my info from the "i actually dont care coz i like it" principal lol
good point tho, i should look it up nxt time :P
Nice car
@sw1000xg - I love the XF, but I have to disagree over the Jag diesel. It's a V6, with a maximum of 270bhp, and is made of iron. BMW's is an inline six (which is better, smoother), with up to 300bhp, and is made from aluminium alloy. Jaguar need to get back to the straight-six configuration, and make their diesels from aluminium (and up the power!).
what everyone needs to remember is, the fastest saloon currently is the merc BRABUS, which is a chuned da shit out of merc by brabus, the jaguar on the other hand, the one sent to bonneville, had a more free flowing exhaust, supercharcher less restrained and ecu remapped clocked 225 mph on SALT, so imagin takin that to tarmac, u'd hit 240 mph or more. Jag xfr all da way, cnt w8 until xfr-s comz out
@LukeXgamer - to be fair, the only reason they dumped the BMW engines is because they obviously didn't want to pay BMW royalties on every car. The BMW V8 is a fine engine.
@sw1000xg 1 year after you posted this comment, bmw now has the new 35d engine which is better than the jag diesel, the new m5 has been unveiled and its got north of 550 bhp and the new 6 is actually a good match for the xk (which i prefer).
but both jag and bmw are making great cars and i gues its just choice at the end of the day.
Maybe you should have tried it in sports mode!
@EccentricRichard Right, like Top Gear isnt biased at all towards british cars... And Jeremy said its not as good on a track then an M5 but better on the road, so your claim doesnt seem so valid... I must admit that BMW is probably my favorite car brand BUT these new Jaguars are fantastic!!!!! They look great, go fast and handling isnt so bad either... Luxurywise i think Mercedes has just become obsolite...
Yeah right...
Don't underestimate BMW..it is automotive icon.
They make perfect sport saloons for decades,and no other carmaker could never compete with BMW !!
@sw1000xg Don't forget that BMW only made E39 M5 because Jaguar introduced a supercharged, 326-hp XJ-R. So, M5 owes its greatness to Jaguar :)
In this case I 100% agree
the jaguar xf-r has better handling then the cts-v and its alot better looking then the audi, and as for the e63 it has 518hp not 525, which is only 8 more hp then the xf-r also its lighter then all these cars. i bet around the track the jag places 1st or 2nd, plus its just great to look at. (i didnt mention the m5 cause its not released yet) but from what i see the jag is the best all around car in its class.
the jag is a FAR better car for the road then any other saloon.. why?
the torque is the same everywere on the rpm range..
alot MORE comfortable...
@twinsixty EVERYONE states the XFR is much better all round than the M5... Only thing better on the M5 is track performance, that's it!!! ~Comfort, looks, performance all to the Jag!!!
@sw1000xg
but the M5's engine is untouchable ;) and the quality is much better :)
If aston is that weak then why would Tim Shrick choose it as the second best car for his VLN race?
You do drive great cars but from what I'm reading I don't think you know much cars other than engine numbers and lap times.
it's not all about power on wheels. It's all about driver's experience. while M5 has i drive and needs a techno geek to get going, Audi's are driven cocks. merc is not bad, but their auto 'box takes years between pressing a paddle and actually change gears. You could be right, left trailing again, but at least it's not out of the radar anymore
has he ever driven a really light weight, high powered car?!?!
i really wanna buy that car!!!!!!!
@moonfades2009 - not true. The XFR spanks the M5's arse on the road, and, on the track, it's right on the M5's arse. Overall it's the better car.
Just watch the Top Ger review.
What I love about the BMW noobs is how they critisise the first of the real BMW M5 competition from Jag! This is Jag's first of the new AJ GEN III engined car's, it's taken BMW from 2003 (the new M5) to now to make it that good. Yes it's a great car but lets see the XFR in 6 years of tunning and tweaking, playing around... Anyone remember the original idrive? BMW fanboys get over it, the Jag desiel beats BMW D, the XKR, beats BMWs M6 and the XFR is a better luxuary car than the M5...
@benz4life - shut up. Manual gearboxes FTW!
@EccentricRichard Hmmmm top gear is biased quite a bit!!!Astons,Jags,and all the companies they deem to be cool or whatever...Thats the stuff they are proud of as Brits,so yes, they are pretty biased!!!Now,Jag XF is i think a tiny bit better then a normal 5 series,but M5 is the daddy!!! M5 is the original product, others are just copies.Very good copies, make no mistake, but the original is always the best!!! xD Some brands try to get buyers by giving more power (Merc E63) but its just makeup!!!
@twitchmassacre - "The RR Sport was designed while RR was under BMW ownership" - no it wasn't. You're thinking of the proper Range Rover, not the stupid bling POS Sport. Sporty SUVs are pointless, since there is nothing less sporty than an SUV. There is only one premium 4x4 worth having, and that's the Range Rover TDV8.
Awesome car, pisses all over the M5
the jaguar is lighter.
there, problem solved : )
im thinking of selling my mum for this car
No other? HA Jaguar looks better drives better and sound real with real V8 engines lol... And Jaguar have only been making good cars for 4 years since they had money invested loooool!
too much chrome