Backloaded programs are really unaesthetic but she made a good choice with the music. She’s milking the scores but unlike Evgenia her movements and choreography match the music.
It's a great music choice- the ballet of Don Quixote (which is where her music is from), is danced like this, with a lot of jumps in quick succession towards the end. She's backloading for points, definitely, but also picked music and a story that suits it. Very clever
exactly! I do think it was an unbalanced program but the music definitely fits with the compositions. There’s only 1-2 “jump-worthy” moments in the first half of the program anyways.
I read many comments here. And I think it's so funny that when Sotnikova won a gold medal in 2014, many people used it as an argument "Adelina won because she made more jumps than Yuna." And now everyone is saying "Figure Skating is not just jumps." Okay.
The only thing that makes alinas backloading acceptable in this program is that it fits with the music choice because in Don Quixote all of the tricks are at the end, so it makes sense in that sense
she was using the system to her advantage, and she did it smartly. using a ballet theme, in which the big jumps happen at the end, with the climax of the music. backloading is kinda cheap imo and creates a less aesthetic program but I at least appreciate that she used it in an artistic sense, this choreography with different music would be so notoriously bad
I just like David so much, he is always honest. People say this is "being Canadian" or what, but if being outspoken and honest is "Canadian", then I am proud to be a Canadian.
It just seems odd to me that they were praising this program when she was competing at Junior World's. The difference was, back then, Alina was not competing against Kaetlyn Osmond in the senior ranks. Then, even stranger still, after the backlash their rants had stirred, they went back to praising this program to a fault in the next grand prix event. Canadian bullshite.
I never understood why people had any issues with it not being well balanced. I mean, it was not unpleasant to watch, she carried great spins and decent step sequence in the start, then had incredibly difficult ending with a jump after jump. For me, personally, it was something exciting, the risk they were taking with that layout, the possible backfire(what happened at worlds), and even the jumps and spins at the end were not labored, and most of all- the backloaded layout did fit perfectly both of the programs, the interpretation and music. Now, dont get me wrong, Im not saying these programs are flawless masterpieces nor Im a huge fan of Alina's skating, but I enjoyed it far more than typical "balanced" programs of that era, 4 jumping passes right after start, then after half one combo, one solo triple and a 2A to end.
@@hannibaljustincase9985 I get your point, but there is a rule in the official rules for Pcs, that the program has to be well balanced. And if it isnt judges have to punish that. Even if the program is the best u have ever seen and its a huge risk and so on... Its still not well balanced. So there for they HAVE to punish in Pcs. But they were just ignoring that completly. Luckily they changed the rules since then but, I think there is a super big, tilting Flutz and underrotating problem with the ladies...
@@pharriz I'm not trying to defend Alina here per se, but I don't recall anything requiring "balanced elements" in composition. They only mentioned "Composition (CO): arrangement of movement in a program, including matching movements to music, purpose and originality of the program, ice coverage and use of space". And I think it's pretty subjective, as I feel that, in both of her programs, the fully backloaded layout fitted perfectly for the story and idea of them. Now, I'll say it again, I'm not trying to defend Alina, I'm just trying to understand other's points of view, so please don't take me as too defensive lol
@@hannibaljustincase9985 Thats why I said I get your point. And dont get me wrong this goes for every skater not only Alina. This has nothing to do with my personal opinion or anything like that. I even liked the program. (allthough I think the whole factor X for the second half system is crap) But I hate it when ISU dont even know their own rules. Already when I skated in junior u always try to avoid doing elements of the same type back to back or even on similar spots on the ice. I mean noone is going to give you less points if you do two spins back to back but normally you already try to avoid that. This is all about isu not knowing their own rules for the arrangement of a program. Doing ALL jumps back to back HAS to get punished in PCS. I have no problem with them just cancel these rules and judge like it. But having these rules and some skaters hesitate because of that and then not punishing it is just a no go. And again this has nothing to do with Alina or any other skater. Its just the rules... For excample when I skated german nationals and did the opposite of Alina. (started with 3 jumps in short program, then 2 spins, then stsq and then last spin). Two judges came to me after that and asked me to change the arrangement of my program for international competition because they said that they gave me less points in Transitions and Choreography because of that. And now imagine skaters going to worlds or gran prix etc. Knowing that and building there programs like that. And then some skaters skate like Alina or whoever and build completly unbalanced programs like that and dont get punished. And again I get your point but this has nothing to do with telling a story to the music or skating a beautiful program. ^^ hope u get my point now.
If only the other commentators were as truthful as the Canadian commentators. I luckily have both nbc and CBC I will watch CBC waaayy more often from now on.
@@Sneg8 The truth doesn't give a single shit about how you feel. You can give an opinion without being rude, but the truth does not care about your feelings. If that was rude to you, then know that reality and life is often disappointing. Move on instead of complaining about an issue that you have no control over.
This is giving me life. It´s really saddening what´s happening to the sport (in the ladies). I guess the only Russian skater in the ladies that has clean jumps is Elizaveta...
@@riquebusta8652 I was soo pleased to see her perform her maximum, on the contrary, I've read posts about ppl saying since Liza has maxed out her content it will be different thing when she faces the Eteri girls. Let's see how it all turns out. Rusnats still seem so far away! As far as her programs and performance, I love the charisma that she has on ice, that support is wonderful to see!
She’s the only elite russian single figure skater I legit like because not even one of them is a male. The rest are talented but just, meh… (imo except yulia) And all this is because of eteri tutorial or whatever her name is
Love her too but I wanted to show Kurt and David exposing ISU. You knew Kurt was throwing shade at Evgenia when he said "Lucikly she has the musicality to carry her backloaded program". I GAG I gag.
Koola King I know right I kinda want her to leave eteri so we could see her blossom into a well balanced beautiful skater with artistry as well a technicality.
ESPECIALLY THE RUSSIAN GIRLS. YES. but i prefer alina much over evgenia. alina's jumps aren't as ugly as evgenia's (her tano is just ugly, period. i'm sorry but it just looks like a broken helicopter) and she uses the right edge for her lutz lol but i so agree russian girls always get the advantage and the extra points and get away with a lot of their mistakes like the obvious underrotation here....
You think Alina gets an advantage? They underscored her on GOEs. Didn't even get +3 for the spins; she has the best spins in the ladies field. She doesn't flutz. Her UR was called. She didn't get away with anything. These commentators are trash
you cant really underscore goe.... lol goe is more like extra credit you get for doing something good... lol just because you think that was good doesnt mean it was actually good. you're pointing out "underscored goe" and not even pointing out the underrotation in her program here. what happened? idk everything about figure skating im not an expert but you clearly dont even know what figure skating is so stop.. lol
I'm a figure skater, so yes I do know a lot about figurer skating. And I did mention the under rotation, thats what UR stands for, and her UR was called by the judges. And yes, you do get underscored for GOE, look up the definition of underscored. You clearly do not know what the requirements are for each GOE - maybe you should read up on those. Did you even look at the protocol for this program, and do you even understand it? I've been figure skating since I was 5 and though I may not be able to do triples or compete on this level, I do have a lot of knowledge of the sport so instead of undermining me and being so condescending, maybe you should educate yourself on how the scoring works.
essa leigh sweetheart, follow your own advice instead of looking like the asshole you probably are...instead of educating her with your knowledge, your first comment finished with saying all was trash, and in the next one you put yourself as the victim asking her not being condescending towards you...really? Are you that passive-aggressive? A bowl of your own soup: maybe your “vast knowledge” (NOT) is what is stopping you from those triples and that level?
I watched German Eurosport and they were adressing the same ... actually they were very disappointed Wakaba only got a low PCS in both of her programmes compared to Zagitova (at Cup of China).
None of these current skaters have even close to the beauty, grace, technique, musicality, artistry and balance of Kim Yuna... I miss her presence on ice and in figure skating 😞💖
I like Alina a lot more than Evgenia. I can't stand evgenia at all. And I alina think she still has room for improvement. I wish she would ditch eteri though. That woman is shady.
Danae Zafeiropoulou all of eteri's students have the same style... she should Let them develop their own. I mean they all have very different music but everything looks so similar. Oh yeah and great Coach for teaching a wrong edge lutz (:
Cookie Hell Yes, I agree. I'd rather see Alina leave her now that she is still young and has time to improve. I think she has a lot of potential to beat Medvedeva. I think Eteri isn't a good coach. All she cares about is winning, not teaching the athletes right technique. Of course, she has the isu at her side, so why would she bother teaching right?
At least her jumps are correct and these tanos are goals... but yeah backloading is annoying. But she still deserves these points more then medvedeva. Please criticize her as well commetators she deserves it wayyy more
So the purpose of the bonus at the halfway mark, is because their legs are supposed to be tired and it's a reward. However, with backloading, it's just one big warm up.... their legs can't be that tired. Plus, it makes the programs boring .
I’m actually fine with all of the jumps in the second half of the program. It’s much more difficult, so if you can do it, why not? You shouldn’t be punished for it because saying the program isn’t well-balanced due to that implies that jumps are more important than spins and footwork. As a former figure skater, I can tell you that spins actually take more energy (are more tiring) than jumps. So she is not doing “nothing” for the first half of the program. She is actually doing elements that are just as important as the jumps. And putting all of the jumps in the second half works with the music because it starts off slow and then crescendos toward the end. So I don’t have a problem with Zagitova’s score. What I do have a problem with is that Higuchi’s program components should have been higher than Zagitova’s because she shows more emotion, skates a bit faster and she’s more refined, overall. This is nothing Zagitova can’t improve in the years to come, but right now Higuchi should have won with higher program components. I feel like I’m the only reasonable one here, but it seems that people just like to hate on the Russian skaters. I understand that people are still sour about Sotnikova winning the Olympics (I feel your pain. Yuna is my favorite skater of the last decade) and Medvedeva is consistently overscored, but I actually prefer Zagitova to Medvedeva. She’s not as expressive, but her jumps are harder and have better technique than Evgenia, even though they have the same coach. And she has time to work on her expressiveness. I think Zagitova will eventually pass Medvedeva, hopefully sooner rather than later. I’m already tired of Evgenia, especially since she routinely beats Yuna’s old scores with performances that are nowhere near as good. Her skating just isn’t as effortless, especially her jumps. You can see her really working her jumps. Zagitova’s jumps are even more effortless.
Evan Perilstein I do prefer Alina over medvedeva as well but I think people are appreciating commentators that speak their mind and aren't sugarcoating what they see. I think Alina's program is more difficult than anything that evgenia has ever done... Her steps and movements match the music and she's not gaping her mouth as an excuse for "artistry". If anyone were to beat medvedeva it would be Zagitova and I would be happy to see her do it.
well balanced means that the jumps are spread evenly throughout the program; she should have points deducted because all the jumps are in the second half, aka unbalanced distribution of elements. Spins are more tiring, but jumps require fresher legs and a less tired body because of the mechanics of jumping which make that jumping can go wrong much easier than spins. As for the rest, i agree :)
Evan Perilstein These kind of winners are truly easily forgettable. No real skill. Shame. Forcing better score just to win and ruin the supposed to be good program if it's well-balanced.
No one would hate on the Russian Skaters if they skated cleanly. You said you were a skater so you would understand the frustration one would feel if they don't get properly marked. Most of the time their jumps are not penalized when it should have. Were not blaming or hating on them because they are Russian. We hate that ISU judges are bribed... To which based on evidence is leaning towards Russia. I will tell this now I like Evgenia and Alina. They are both wonderful people and I commend them for all the sacrifices and hardwork they have invested into the sport. But they do not deserve their spots when they can't lift and land jumps properly. I want the spots to go to skaters who actually skated a clean program. But we cant take out why they do this to their programs as well. I believe the Russian culture is like S Korea where the medal matters. You need the medal medal medal. Soemtimes with that mentality you forget how true Artistry is translated onto the ice. For example. Yuna if she had not been with Orser and David could not have given us the magic on ice we saw. Yuna had the perfect jumps but she learned how to properly execute her artistic side due to them. So for Evgenia and Alina I hope they could leave Eteri (Just like Yulia) to better themselves and correct their jumps.
Alina is a great skater. The backloading can be a great advantage IF you know how to finish your lines, which Alina still doesn’t do. She’s a great jumper, a great spinner but her step sequence is meh since she still doesn’t have artistry in her skating (which will come with practice) A perfect skate with backloading would be Sakamoto’s 17-18 short program. All her jumps are at the end but her step sequences and lines are textbook perfect
just how idiotic and insulting to the people appreciating the sport it is to say that intricate footwork, exquisite spins which are, not to mention, well matched with the tempo of the music are something during which you can go to the bathroom and have some popcorn. So, jumps are the only thing we are watching fs for? Therefore, the entire discipline of ice dance has to be eliminated?
Sadly most of them don't have the guts because of the possible backlash. The 2 commentators above actually got backlash for "bullying" an underage skater and iirc they even had to apologise for it even though they spoke the truth.
Another thing with her program is that it's also jam packed with steps and moves that she barely has time to complete one before moving to another. Having no difficult steps is just as bad as having too much. It makes the program look super busy.
Kayla Gaines but she's not moving on the ice, so she's not skating either, therefore, she shouldn't get any points. Another eteri over inflated skater.
Evgenia, Stanislava Konstantinova, Anastasia Tarakanova make me weep for the state of ladies figureskating I'm hoping this Russian nightmare will be over soon. I miss the days when the winner of world and the olympics could be from a variety of nationalities. Ukrainian, chinese, Japanese, Korean, Italian, American, Canada, Germany, Russian. Now its just its Russia-Russia-Japan or Russia- Japan- Russian or Russia- Canda- Canada Ugh. Its even worse in the juniors. If evgenia repeats I will never watch ladies figureskating again.
As much as I don't really like Evgenia as a skater (she's really sweet, but I don't like her skating style), atleast she deserved her every win she had. Unlike Alina, whose wins are just so shady. But sadly, Evgenia doesn't deserve her world records. The Mao-Yuna era was one of the best eras in women's figure skating. Sadly, the worst era followed it.
I gotta start watching CBC lol. In Alina's defense, at least her jumps and spins are timed nicely to the music unlike a certain rinkmate of hers. I'm just glad she didn't win with a 10 point lead or something.
I liked her performance too. But the commentary was SO REAL I just had to show it to give the skating community some glimmer of hope that figure skating isn't dead. I wished they would have done this on Evgenia's performance but alas they can't because they would be expelled from ISU.
Koola King Oh I definitely enjoyed the shade they were throwing. Its nice to see that there are commentators who won't kiss ass and will speak the truth. Here's hoping that Evgenia gets an edge call at the Olympics and that Alina (or another deserving girl) will snatch the gold from her hands!
Koola King, I just want you to know that while CBC is giving you life, you are giving me life with all these videos. I've watched many of them multiple times, including at least 3 viewings of the 17-minute video of Medvedeva's 5 jump analysis. So brilliant and so fun and so educational and so important. I hope your work makes a difference, because the ISU needs to get its shiz together and commit to integrity. These skaters deserve that!
She's a good skater no doubt but no doubt also that the first 2 minutes she's just skating SLOWLY buying time. I call that a downright exploitation of the system, much like creative accountancy that isn't technically illegal but nonetheless unethical. Plus so little speed even when she's jumping... PCS should be much lower....
I don't think she's good enough to pull two minutes of no jumping off. If that was Carolina I'd be mesmorised. But ALina skates really slowly over the ice with shallow edges, while on the top everything it moving too quickly to catch your eye and hold your attention. Plus her posture makes me cry
Really the most over inflated Russian skater I have ever seen. She had whopping scores right into juniors....this was planned from ISU from the beginning. Evgenia wasn't the top junior skater at first because the bets were all in one basket, Julia Lipnitskaia....and when she failed, Evgenia was groomed to be the one due to her so called consistency and overall looks... This is how they will continue to play the field unless the other country federations do something about it
I'm sorry but Alina can do back loading better than any one else. Her spins are very good, her elements like the charlotte spin, the way she matches in her moves in the step sequence with the music perfectly, and how she also did perfect jumps perfectly with the music at the olympics. It's like watching a ballet waiting for the jetes.
I love your videos so much. There's no other uploader who immediately draws me to their videos. I'm in disbelief that these skaters are actually starting to get called out for their shit. I was equally in disbelief (not really) when looked at the ISU protocol and saw that that triple loop in combination was given full credit and great GOE. Furthermore, why is she getting 3's on ANY of her elements? Not one of her elements deserves a perfect GOE score.
I'd say that if all the technical changes she has contributed was a 'textbook' kind of upgrade. But nah, because in reality no upgrade and scores are just inflated.
to some extent i kinda agree. but tell that to shcherbakova and trusova that can do a 4t+3t+3lo and 4s+3t respectively, and kostornaia who just landed her 3a. she's raising the standard of female's figure skating.
I want to point out something else the commentators seem to be ignorant about. Actually, the music of Zagitova's program is from the Don Quixote grand pas de deux. That particular segment starts slower and builds up to a finale of jumps and spins in the ballet, just like this program. So if they want to blame the program construction they can first blame the ballet for "backloading" the ballet jumps. lol
Finally commestator exposed ISU😇 Actually wakaba was robbed she was real winner n alina was overscored She doesn't have great artisty n beautiful, soft, smooth body line Her jump is correct edge but speed is slow, 3jump is under ratoation with sloppy landing but judege didn't deducted
How lucky! I have NBC here, and these bufoons say the most bs things ever (which is why I'd rather stick to shitty quality UA-cam videos). I want them to commentate Evgenia next!
Oh Yeah? They r talking abt the system finally that some marks must come down? She won Junior Champ becoz of this type of program component over Marin Honda! 'She's not being deducted on any of those... '... oh yeah... 👏🏻👏🏻 At least she didn't break world records.....😂🤣 YET.
I guess the main question here is whether backloading should be allowed. I'm not in favor of it, I see it as a calculated move for points, and when you start thinking in terms of points, figure skating starts becoming more about points instead of artistry. The counterargument seems to be that backloading and artistry don't have to be mutually exclusive; you can have a backloaded program that is artistic. I disagree; the audience of a performance don't like things that are contrived or calculated. To illustrate my point, I'll use a hyperbole; imagine a program that had jumps only in the last minute of a program. Or imagine a program that had jumps only in the first minute of a program. Would you prefer that over a program that had jumps spread evenly throughout? The ISU is moving in a direction that is focusing less and less on artistry; we see this with backloading and tanos done on every single jump. It's a sport, so inevitably athletes will have to be more physically competitive as the sport progresses, but it should not be done where artistic value significantly decreases. Maybe the ISU should mandate a rule that at least two jumping passes must be required in the first half of a free program.
Why do I not believe you?? I have watched several of your videos now - all dumping on Russian skaters... How is this different from guys overloading their programs with quads, at the expense of performance?
Highly unprofessional. I ve never heard such unrespectful remarkes from British, Russian or Korean commentators. All of them are very supportive and at least respectful towards skaters' hard work. Canadians commentators just envy cuz Osmond had no chances in Olympics. And a routine is not just jumps. Alina doesnt just skate she makes her program (spins etc)
LOL the that's so raven future vision at the end was the bomb. HAHAHAHA Alina's PCS hovers between 8.3 ~ 8.7, which is WAY more reasonable than Evgenia's 9.5s. I enjoy Alina's program better even though all jumps are in 2nd half because she doesn't seem so forced and unnatural compared to Evgenia. That being said, she definitely has more to improve on (1/2 turn pre-rotations and balancing the program etc) Is that Bakulin being exposed at 4:58? What is so unprofessional about those comments? Cause you got butthurt? Aww here's some ointment then.
This is exactly what I was saying when I watched the program. Yeah she gets all the bonus but the composition and presentation score must go down since this is a badly crafted program. But noooooo
This is exactly why I stopped watching these competitions back in 1995 because of the SHITTY judging back then. Incredulous it is Still happening in 2017. Just frickin puts a bummer on watching something that should be so free of controversy. The judging standards suck to this day. What a joke. Japan’s skate was so much more balanced and enjoyable to watch.
I think she has potential and will do well with experience. I'm not bashing Russian skaters but I do agree that Medmedeva is beyond overrated. Pogo and Lena I think are done. I love Wakaba! She s got a lot to offer
She performed Level 4 Spins and Stsq in the first half. Her spins are outstanding. I will not describe those elements as nothing. Jumps are not everything in a program. If the choreography fits the structure of the music, why is backloading the jumps worse than frontloading the jumps or evenly distributing the jumps? It will be boring if every skater does the same structure, I personally like seeing different types of program structures, front, back and even. It is all about the overall performance and how she delivers.
Curious Curious well...uts the thrill..whether they will succeed it or not. Thats why its sports. Spins are nowhere close to jumps in aspect of difficulty. Thats why its called unbalanced. Cuz her first half was about art the other was about techniques. But its supposed to be done simultaneously, not seperately.
I love Zagitova because her jumps looks more clean about the russian ladies... She and Polina Tsurskaya are amazing because they can do an outside edge on Lutz, make the corret 3T as a second in a combination... But the fact that both are coached by Tutberitze says a lot... I still thinking that it all is not fault of the skaters, it’s the corrupt Russia and the associates who have infiltrated the system... If they be coached by other coach and had a good choreographer to don’t created more backloads programs, they could do incredible programs... I HATE SO MUCH COMBINATIONS WITH 3LO AS THE SECOND JUMP OMG... Because is more easy to underrotated and I think that is more difficult to fit into music as an element, and make the skaters loose the softness and the lightness that is an 3Lz+3T combination, its everithing about the points, I can’t.... Art in the first, please...
Alina's skate is so horrible, prerotaton, full blade assistance, her choreo is just childish, she tries to imitate a real ballet dancer, why is her back alwayas paralel to the ground? thats not figure skating
That step sequence is slow and just lackluster; she should have gotten >> on the loop in the combination jump; the first half is slow and seems like “energy conservation “ and that second half the program is just going around in the center of the ice jumping, lacks ice coverage and should decrease choreographic composition and purpose.
I have to agree that this program is not well balanced because the jumps are all placed in the 2nd half. She ended up having to just basically doing one jumping pass after another in the 2nd half of the program. And this is very noticeable and just doesn't create a well structured or even pleasing or interesting program as a whole. It seems disjointed! It's too bad, because she has the techniques, presentation, lines, beautiful great jumps. But too bad the whole program is just lacking for me. I would have put Higuchi over her! Higuchi's program was great!
i don't think it counts as shade when they clarify literally seconds later with statements like "it's an incredibly bold choice" and "she can carry these two minutes without jumping."
Polina Iziumova i know, its what I told Marin fans back then, Alina is technically stronger than Marin. but a coach once said from a sporting perspective the concept is correct but from an artistic perspective, perhaps it unbalances an program"
at least she was better than *some* others... *cough* adelina *cough* she might have deserved the gold at 2018 a bit more... at least she didn't cheat *too* much i think. *queen yuna deserved gold* RIP ISU
not much is happening in the first part of the program? oh really? open your eyes and enjoy 2 beautiful and extremely hard step sequences perfectly fit with the music, as well as the jumps in the second part. and stop hating, not all the programs by all girls should have the same structure.
Lol. Very entertaining. Their comments are far more entertaining than the programs. These commentators should have been the judges. I wouldn't complain, seriously. 😁
I'm glad that the new rule changed it into only the last 3 jumps have bonus points. Back in 2012 when they came up with the 1.10 bonus for jumps in the second half, skaters would load all the jumps in the first half. For God's sake just have a balanced program.
I can't stand them talking about Alina like that since she's my favorite female skater. Not just that, her program was almost flawless. And at the beginning when he called the first half of her program BORING?! because there are no jumps? Sorry, but some of Evgenia's programs are like that, too, but they call all of Evgenia's programs flawless and great? ISU has become a disaster and all of the magic of figure skating is gone. They just try to push Evgenia forward for some unknown reason and try to find mistakes in all other much better skaters. Disgusting.
Sara Gros Huh? So you can't stand them stating the truth because they also didn't harp on Medvedeva? The ENTIRE program was boring. First half: nothing happened. It was a slow warm-up for her. Second half: jump, jump, jump, jump skate in circle, jump, jump, jump and Spin. How boring. BOTH halves were boring.
Что зависть с людьми делает) четыре года успокоиться не могут. Не я понимаю засудили Юну в 2014, но так то и Слуцкую засудили в 2002. Мы ж не кидаемся на всех теперь из за этого.
backloaded programs like this and medvdv appear to never really have any thought into the choreaography because the idea was always to rack up points. so if your intentions going into designing a program is to garner as many points as possible, then all the skating leading up to the jumps appears contrived, the footwork isnt well thought out and oftentimes seems incomplete, and the jumps inevitably wont fit in with the music or the choreography. the judges and isu really need to follow their own rules and penalize backloaded programs (but as we know if youre russian instead of penalizing them, they are given extra bonus points), it takes the artistry away and the entire program falls apart.
"The judges are not really understanding sometimes what they're watching." 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Backloaded programs are really unaesthetic but she made a good choice with the music. She’s milking the scores but unlike Evgenia her movements and choreography match the music.
nicola209 I agree with you
She got real music, not elevator music
It's a great music choice- the ballet of Don Quixote (which is where her music is from), is danced like this, with a lot of jumps in quick succession towards the end. She's backloading for points, definitely, but also picked music and a story that suits it. Very clever
exactly! I do think it was an unbalanced program but the music definitely fits with the compositions. There’s only 1-2 “jump-worthy” moments in the first half of the program anyways.
I read many comments here. And I think it's so funny that when Sotnikova won a gold medal in 2014, many people used it as an argument "Adelina won because she made more jumps than Yuna."
And now everyone is saying "Figure Skating is not just jumps."
Okay.
rightttt
3 years late but adelina beat yuna becouse she got 10 free points out of thin air whitout those she would 2nd or 3rd
@@aguy3664 she wouldn't even make podium with her flutz and floop.
@@aguy3664 I think giving her the bronze would've been generous, she wasn't even close to the top 3 in the World Championships she attended
Adelina won bc the judges didnt give deductions and gave high goe for poorly executed jumps etc
The only thing that makes alinas backloading acceptable in this program is that it fits with the music choice because in Don Quixote all of the tricks are at the end, so it makes sense in that sense
Trust me, it's not that deep, Eteri knew exactly what she was doing
ngl I'm not a fan of Eteri coaching either, but I have to admit she's very smart in utilising and taking advantages from the loopholes of the rules
THIS SHADE IS GOLDEN 👌
sipping tea they need to step it up, they haven't said enough, imo
she was using the system to her advantage, and she did it smartly. using a ballet theme, in which the big jumps happen at the end, with the climax of the music. backloading is kinda cheap imo and creates a less aesthetic program but I at least appreciate that she used it in an artistic sense, this choreography with different music would be so notoriously bad
Wendy didn't faint because she was hot in her costume she actually fainted because she just remembered the current state of ladies figure skating.
ha ha
Lol
lol that Kim Yuna lost to Floops and Klutzes
I just like David so much, he is always honest. People say this is "being Canadian" or what, but if being outspoken and honest is "Canadian", then I am proud to be a Canadian.
David Pelletier?
Must be a conservative, saying it the way it is !
It just seems odd to me that they were praising this program when she was competing at Junior World's. The difference was, back then, Alina was not competing against Kaetlyn Osmond in the senior ranks. Then, even stranger still, after the backlash their rants had stirred, they went back to praising this program to a fault in the next grand prix event. Canadian bullshite.
He's just rude. And please, stop this Cold War in this sport.
or biased?
In Alina's defense most of her lutz are on point, especially compared to some of her teammates
"This is not well-balanced program so therefore, some marks must come down." Evgenia still gets ridiculously high PCS points tho?? Lmao
Laura exactly
I never understood why people had any issues with it not being well balanced. I mean, it was not unpleasant to watch, she carried great spins and decent step sequence in the start, then had incredibly difficult ending with a jump after jump. For me, personally, it was something exciting, the risk they were taking with that layout, the possible backfire(what happened at worlds), and even the jumps and spins at the end were not labored, and most of all- the backloaded layout did fit perfectly both of the programs, the interpretation and music.
Now, dont get me wrong, Im not saying these programs are flawless masterpieces nor Im a huge fan of Alina's skating, but I enjoyed it far more than typical "balanced" programs of that era, 4 jumping passes right after start, then after half one combo, one solo triple and a 2A to end.
@@hannibaljustincase9985 I get your point, but there is a rule in the official rules for Pcs, that the program has to be well balanced. And if it isnt judges have to punish that. Even if the program is the best u have ever seen and its a huge risk and so on... Its still not well balanced. So there for they HAVE to punish in Pcs.
But they were just ignoring that completly. Luckily they changed the rules since then but, I think there is a super big, tilting Flutz and underrotating problem with the ladies...
@@pharriz I'm not trying to defend Alina here per se, but I don't recall anything requiring "balanced elements" in composition. They only mentioned "Composition (CO): arrangement of movement in a program, including matching movements to music, purpose and originality of the program, ice coverage and use of space". And I think it's pretty subjective, as I feel that, in both of her programs, the fully backloaded layout fitted perfectly for the story and idea of them. Now, I'll say it again, I'm not trying to defend Alina, I'm just trying to understand other's points of view, so please don't take me as too defensive lol
@@hannibaljustincase9985 Thats why I said I get your point. And dont get me wrong this goes for every skater not only Alina. This has nothing to do with my personal opinion or anything like that. I even liked the program. (allthough I think the whole factor X for the second half system is crap) But I hate it when ISU dont even know their own rules. Already when I skated in junior u always try to avoid doing elements of the same type back to back or even on similar spots on the ice. I mean noone is going to give you less points if you do two spins back to back but normally you already try to avoid that. This is all about isu not knowing their own rules for the arrangement of a program. Doing ALL jumps back to back HAS to get punished in PCS. I have no problem with them just cancel these rules and judge like it. But having these rules and some skaters hesitate because of that and then not punishing it is just a no go. And again this has nothing to do with Alina or any other skater. Its just the rules... For excample when I skated german nationals and did the opposite of Alina. (started with 3 jumps in short program, then 2 spins, then stsq and then last spin). Two judges came to me after that and asked me to change the arrangement of my program for international competition because they said that they gave me less points in Transitions and Choreography because of that. And now imagine skaters going to worlds or gran prix etc. Knowing that and building there programs like that. And then some skaters skate like Alina or whoever and build completly unbalanced programs like that and dont get punished. And again I get your point but this has nothing to do with telling a story to the music or skating a beautiful program. ^^ hope u get my point now.
I still prefer Alina over med. Her jumps look way better, which is funny, because she already had all the jumps when she moved to eteri.
That's probably why, lol.
Well she lost her jumps and had to re- learn them its on a documentary
No she didn't have the jumps when she came to eteri
They are both horrible.
@@jennifer5512 , you're terrible! 👎
If only the other commentators were as truthful as the Canadian commentators. I luckily have both nbc and CBC I will watch CBC waaayy more often from now on.
Kayla Gaines the Canadians learned from the huge scandal that took place in salt lake City olympics
You can be truthful, without being rude.
@@Sneg8 The truth doesn't give a single shit about how you feel. You can give an opinion without being rude, but the truth does not care about your feelings. If that was rude to you, then know that reality and life is often disappointing. Move on instead of complaining about an issue that you have no control over.
Most of these figure skating commentators are being bribed by the russian's so its very brave and honourable what cbc is doing.
This is giving me life. It´s really saddening what´s happening to the sport (in the ladies). I guess the only Russian skater in the ladies that has clean jumps is Elizaveta...
Her technique is textbook, her lutz especially is just *chef kiss*
Ah, I'm dying to see her perform again. I started watching FS just before worlds 2021. Test skates are still so far away!
@@kamyashrivastava7341 how have you liked her recent performances? I love her FS
@@riquebusta8652 I was soo pleased to see her perform her maximum, on the contrary, I've read posts about ppl saying since Liza has maxed out her content it will be different thing when she faces the Eteri girls. Let's see how it all turns out. Rusnats still seem so far away!
As far as her programs and performance, I love the charisma that she has on ice, that support is wonderful to see!
She’s the only elite russian single figure skater I legit like because not even one of them is a male. The rest are talented but just, meh… (imo except yulia) And all this is because of eteri tutorial or whatever her name is
I love Alina but she has much to improve on, still better than medvedeva though.
Love her too but I wanted to show Kurt and David exposing ISU. You knew Kurt was throwing shade at Evgenia when he said "Lucikly she has the musicality to carry her backloaded program". I GAG I gag.
Koola King I know right I kinda want her to leave eteri so we could see her blossom into a well balanced beautiful skater with artistry as well a technicality.
I like Evgenia better. But I wish Tsurskaya hadn't had bad luck.
Kayla Gaines which Russians do you think will go to Olympic? Medmedeva, Zagitova, Sotskova? I think these 3
Sigh tbh someone of the only good russian skaters are Julia and Alina
ESPECIALLY THE RUSSIAN GIRLS. YES. but i prefer alina much over evgenia. alina's jumps aren't as ugly as evgenia's (her tano is just ugly, period. i'm sorry but it just looks like a broken helicopter) and she uses the right edge for her lutz lol but i so agree russian girls always get the advantage and the extra points and get away with a lot of their mistakes like the obvious underrotation here....
You think Alina gets an advantage? They underscored her on GOEs. Didn't even get +3 for the spins; she has the best spins in the ladies field. She doesn't flutz. Her UR was called. She didn't get away with anything. These commentators are trash
you cant really underscore goe.... lol goe is more like extra credit you get for doing something good... lol just because you think that was good doesnt mean it was actually good. you're pointing out "underscored goe" and not even pointing out the underrotation in her program here. what happened? idk everything about figure skating im not an expert but you clearly dont even know what figure skating is so stop.. lol
I'm a figure skater, so yes I do know a lot about figurer skating. And I did mention the under rotation, thats what UR stands for, and her UR was called by the judges. And yes, you do get underscored for GOE, look up the definition of underscored. You clearly do not know what the requirements are for each GOE - maybe you should read up on those. Did you even look at the protocol for this program, and do you even understand it? I've been figure skating since I was 5 and though I may not be able to do triples or compete on this level, I do have a lot of knowledge of the sport so instead of undermining me and being so condescending, maybe you should educate yourself on how the scoring works.
singingpinkclover ikr evgenias jumps are so sloppy
essa leigh sweetheart, follow your own advice instead of looking like the asshole you probably are...instead of educating her with your knowledge, your first comment finished with saying all was trash, and in the next one you put yourself as the victim asking her not being condescending towards you...really? Are you that passive-aggressive?
A bowl of your own soup: maybe your “vast knowledge” (NOT) is what is stopping you from those triples and that level?
She is a smart competitor. She knew she could not beat Evgenia in artistry, so she had to beat her in athleticism. I can't hate her for that!
The nuns at the ends lmao
I know right, esp that 4:55 when Whoopi fist pumps so hard multiple times I just died there.
Love that song so much.
I watched German Eurosport and they were adressing the same ... actually they were very disappointed Wakaba only got a low PCS in both of her programmes compared to Zagitova (at Cup of China).
None of these current skaters have even close to the beauty, grace, technique, musicality, artistry and balance of Kim Yuna... I miss her presence on ice and in figure skating 😞💖
I like Alina a lot more than Evgenia. I can't stand evgenia at all. And I alina think she still has room for improvement. I wish she would ditch eteri though. That woman is shady.
Danae Zafeiropoulou all of eteri's students have the same style... she should Let them develop their own. I mean they all have very different music but everything looks so similar. Oh yeah and great Coach for teaching a wrong edge lutz (:
Cookie Hell Yes, I agree. I'd rather see Alina leave her now that she is still young and has time to improve. I think she has a lot of potential to beat Medvedeva.
I think Eteri isn't a good coach. All she cares about is winning, not teaching the athletes right technique. Of course, she has the isu at her side, so why would she bother teaching right?
At least her jumps are correct and these tanos are goals... but yeah backloading is annoying. But she still deserves these points more then medvedeva. Please criticize her as well commetators she deserves it wayyy more
Right like why pick on Alina’s jumps when Med’s are way worse especially her flutz.
@@riquebusta8652 they're both flutzers lol
Very true, first 2 minutes are teerible. Finally someone admitted it. I would give her 59 maximum in components.
So the purpose of the bonus at the halfway mark, is because their legs are supposed to be tired and it's a reward. However, with backloading, it's just one big warm up.... their legs can't be that tired. Plus, it makes the programs boring .
I’m actually fine with all of the jumps in the second half of the program. It’s much more difficult, so if you can do it, why not? You shouldn’t be punished for it because saying the program isn’t well-balanced due to that implies that jumps are more important than spins and footwork. As a former figure skater, I can tell you that spins actually take more energy (are more tiring) than jumps. So she is not doing “nothing” for the first half of the program. She is actually doing elements that are just as important as the jumps. And putting all of the jumps in the second half works with the music because it starts off slow and then crescendos toward the end.
So I don’t have a problem with Zagitova’s score. What I do have a problem with is that Higuchi’s program components should have been higher than Zagitova’s because she shows more emotion, skates a bit faster and she’s more refined, overall. This is nothing Zagitova can’t improve in the years to come, but right now Higuchi should have won with higher program components.
I feel like I’m the only reasonable one here, but it seems that people just like to hate on the Russian skaters. I understand that people are still sour about Sotnikova winning the Olympics (I feel your pain. Yuna is my favorite skater of the last decade) and Medvedeva is consistently overscored, but I actually prefer Zagitova to Medvedeva. She’s not as expressive, but her jumps are harder and have better technique than Evgenia, even though they have the same coach. And she has time to work on her expressiveness. I think Zagitova will eventually pass Medvedeva, hopefully sooner rather than later. I’m already tired of Evgenia, especially since she routinely beats Yuna’s old scores with performances that are nowhere near as good. Her skating just isn’t as effortless, especially her jumps. You can see her really working her jumps. Zagitova’s jumps are even more effortless.
Evan Perilstein I do prefer Alina over medvedeva as well but I think people are appreciating commentators that speak their mind and aren't sugarcoating what they see. I think Alina's program is more difficult than anything that evgenia has ever done... Her steps and movements match the music and she's not gaping her mouth as an excuse for "artistry". If anyone were to beat medvedeva it would be Zagitova and I would be happy to see her do it.
well balanced means that the jumps are spread evenly throughout the program; she should have points deducted because all the jumps are in the second half, aka unbalanced distribution of elements. Spins are more tiring, but jumps require fresher legs and a less tired body because of the mechanics of jumping which make that jumping can go wrong much easier than spins. As for the rest, i agree :)
Evan Perilstein These kind of winners are truly easily forgettable. No real skill. Shame. Forcing better score just to win and ruin the supposed to be good program if it's well-balanced.
No one would hate on the Russian Skaters if they skated cleanly. You said you were a skater so you would understand the frustration one would feel if they don't get properly marked. Most of the time their jumps are not penalized when it should have. Were not blaming or hating on them because they are Russian. We hate that ISU judges are bribed... To which based on evidence is leaning towards Russia.
I will tell this now I like Evgenia and Alina. They are both wonderful people and I commend them for all the sacrifices and hardwork they have invested into the sport. But they do not deserve their spots when they can't lift and land jumps properly. I want the spots to go to skaters who actually skated a clean program.
But we cant take out why they do this to their programs as well. I believe the Russian culture is like S Korea where the medal matters. You need the medal medal medal. Soemtimes with that mentality you forget how true Artistry is translated onto the ice. For example. Yuna if she had not been with Orser and David could not have given us the magic on ice we saw. Yuna had the perfect jumps but she learned how to properly execute her artistic side due to them.
So for Evgenia and Alina I hope they could leave Eteri (Just like Yulia) to better themselves and correct their jumps.
Then why did ISU make the rule for a 10 percent bonus in the second half of the program?because everyone was front loading before
I miss Koola king! I wonder what happened to them?
Legend has it they're still around, just under different names...
probably threatened by Russian officials.
Alina is a great skater. The backloading can be a great advantage IF you know how to finish your lines, which Alina still doesn’t do. She’s a great jumper, a great spinner but her step sequence is meh since she still doesn’t have artistry in her skating (which will come with practice)
A perfect skate with backloading would be Sakamoto’s 17-18 short program. All her jumps are at the end but her step sequences and lines are textbook perfect
just how idiotic and insulting to the people appreciating the sport it is to say that intricate footwork, exquisite spins which are, not to mention, well matched with the tempo of the music are something during which you can go to the bathroom and have some popcorn. So, jumps are the only thing we are watching fs for? Therefore, the entire discipline of ice dance has to be eliminated?
I wish commentators had guts like this again
Sadly most of them don't have the guts because of the possible backlash.
The 2 commentators above actually got backlash for "bullying" an underage skater and iirc they even had to apologise for it even though they spoke the truth.
ISU should change their scoring system. It's unfair for those skater who value astistry and creativity.
I hate hate backloaded programs. Wakaba and Mai was robbed. 😑
Medvedeva wasnt robbed. Judges were being generous with her flutzes
Well, backloading is very difficult. There's a reason why skaters get a 10% bonus.
+Jennifer E-K ikr, frontloading, which made sense under the old CoP, was way way worse.
"Her seven jumping passes...", "Nothing is happening"... LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
Another thing with her program is that it's also jam packed with steps and moves that she barely has time to complete one before moving to another. Having no difficult steps is just as bad as having too much. It makes the program look super busy.
Kayla Gaines but she's not moving on the ice, so she's not skating either, therefore, she shouldn't get any points. Another eteri over inflated skater.
Evgenia, Stanislava Konstantinova, Anastasia Tarakanova make me weep for the state of ladies figureskating I'm hoping this Russian nightmare will be over soon. I miss the days when the winner of world and the olympics could be from a variety of nationalities. Ukrainian, chinese, Japanese, Korean, Italian, American, Canada, Germany, Russian. Now its just its Russia-Russia-Japan or Russia- Japan- Russian or Russia- Canda- Canada Ugh. Its even worse in the juniors. If evgenia repeats I will never watch ladies figureskating again.
As much as I don't really like Evgenia as a skater (she's really sweet, but I don't like her skating style), atleast she deserved her every win she had. Unlike Alina, whose wins are just so shady. But sadly, Evgenia doesn't deserve her world records.
The Mao-Yuna era was one of the best eras in women's figure skating. Sadly, the worst era followed it.
I gotta start watching CBC lol. In Alina's defense, at least her jumps and spins are timed nicely to the music unlike a certain rinkmate of hers. I'm just glad she didn't win with a 10 point lead or something.
I liked her performance too. But the commentary was SO REAL I just had to show it to give the skating community some glimmer of hope that figure skating isn't dead. I wished they would have done this on Evgenia's performance but alas they can't because they would be expelled from ISU.
Koola King Oh I definitely enjoyed the shade they were throwing. Its nice to see that there are commentators who won't kiss ass and will speak the truth. Here's hoping that Evgenia gets an edge call at the Olympics and that Alina (or another deserving girl) will snatch the gold from her hands!
Cyrra M she did snatch a gold in Pyeongchang from Med's hands 😂
Cyrra M Dreams do come true hahaha
Koola King, I just want you to know that while CBC is giving you life, you are giving me life with all these videos. I've watched many of them multiple times, including at least 3 viewings of the 17-minute video of Medvedeva's 5 jump analysis. So brilliant and so fun and so educational and so important. I hope your work makes a difference, because the ISU needs to get its shiz together and commit to integrity. These skaters deserve that!
She's a good skater no doubt but no doubt also that the first 2 minutes she's just skating SLOWLY buying time. I call that a downright exploitation of the system, much like creative accountancy that isn't technically illegal but nonetheless unethical. Plus so little speed even when she's jumping... PCS should be much lower....
What makes it unethical?
I don't think she's good enough to pull two minutes of no jumping off. If that was Carolina I'd be mesmorised. But ALina skates really slowly over the ice with shallow edges, while on the top everything it moving too quickly to catch your eye and hold your attention. Plus her posture makes me cry
its not unethical. its not alinas fault that she just has the strength and power to backload and no one else has done the same except medvedeva.
I hate blatant gaming of the scoring system.
They did the work for you.
Really the most over inflated Russian skater I have ever seen. She had whopping scores right into juniors....this was planned from ISU from the beginning. Evgenia wasn't the top junior skater at first because the bets were all in one basket, Julia Lipnitskaia....and when she failed, Evgenia was groomed to be the one due to her so called consistency and overall looks... This is how they will continue to play the field unless the other country federations do something about it
I'm sorry but Alina can do back loading better than any one else. Her spins are very good, her elements like the charlotte spin, the way she matches in her moves in the step sequence with the music perfectly, and how she also did perfect jumps perfectly with the music at the olympics. It's like watching a ballet waiting for the jetes.
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I'm in disbelief that these skaters are actually starting to get called out for their shit. I was equally in disbelief (not really) when looked at the ISU protocol and saw that that triple loop in combination was given full credit and great GOE.
Furthermore, why is she getting 3's on ANY of her elements? Not one of her elements deserves a perfect GOE score.
eteri has ruined figure skating
It if wasn't for Eteri, ladies' figure skating would be completely stagnant and everyone would have the same technical content as a decade ago...
I'd say that if all the technical changes she has contributed was a 'textbook' kind of upgrade. But nah, because in reality no upgrade and scores are just inflated.
to some extent i kinda agree. but tell that to shcherbakova and trusova that can do a 4t+3t+3lo and 4s+3t respectively, and kostornaia who just landed her 3a. she's raising the standard of female's figure skating.
Oh how I love their boldness. Bravo to the commentators
I want to point out something else the commentators seem to be ignorant about. Actually, the music of Zagitova's program is from the Don Quixote grand pas de deux. That particular segment starts slower and builds up to a finale of jumps and spins in the ballet, just like this program. So if they want to blame the program construction they can first blame the ballet for "backloading" the ballet jumps. lol
Curious Curious but this is figure skating. Not ballet. Isnt it?
Finally commestator exposed ISU😇
Actually wakaba was robbed she was real winner n alina was overscored
She doesn't have great artisty n beautiful, soft, smooth body line
Her jump is correct edge but speed is slow, 3jump is under ratoation with sloppy landing
but judege didn't deducted
Wakawho?
ISU behavior will kill This sport...deal with it.
Cucumber CaLm DoWn
How lucky! I have NBC here, and these bufoons say the most bs things ever (which is why I'd rather stick to shitty quality UA-cam videos). I want them to commentate Evgenia next!
well, we must apreciate her humble-ity, she didnt fake surprise, it was like "Oh, okay"
Oh Yeah? They r talking abt the system finally that some marks must come down? She won Junior Champ becoz of this type of program component over Marin Honda!
'She's not being deducted on any of those... '... oh yeah... 👏🏻👏🏻 At least she didn't break world records.....😂🤣 YET.
I looove CBC and Italian Eurosport commentary😭
Maybe I'll move to Canada
I guess the main question here is whether backloading should be allowed. I'm not in favor of it, I see it as a calculated move for points, and when you start thinking in terms of points, figure skating starts becoming more about points instead of artistry.
The counterargument seems to be that backloading and artistry don't have to be mutually exclusive; you can have a backloaded program that is artistic. I disagree; the audience of a performance don't like things that are contrived or calculated. To illustrate my point, I'll use a hyperbole; imagine a program that had jumps only in the last minute of a program. Or imagine a program that had jumps only in the first minute of a program. Would you prefer that over a program that had jumps spread evenly throughout?
The ISU is moving in a direction that is focusing less and less on artistry; we see this with backloading and tanos done on every single jump. It's a sport, so inevitably athletes will have to be more physically competitive as the sport progresses, but it should not be done where artistic value significantly decreases. Maybe the ISU should mandate a rule that at least two jumping passes must be required in the first half of a free program.
You're supposed to get penalized for unbalanced programs smh funny how commentators know the judging system better than the actual judges
Alina Guaranteed gold medal 2018 Winter olympics! ❤️
I'm happy she won gold and not Adelina. Adelina Sotnikova sucks!
"Well she is warmed up..." Ha Ha
Why do I not believe you?? I have watched several of your videos now - all dumping on Russian skaters... How is this different from guys overloading their programs with quads, at the expense of performance?
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Same here! I love Koola King's channel and the CBC Commentators cuz they be out here exposing all those fucking corrupt BITCHES and RACISTS.
Highly unprofessional. I ve never heard such unrespectful remarkes from British, Russian or Korean commentators. All of them are very supportive and at least respectful towards skaters' hard work. Canadians commentators just envy cuz Osmond had no chances in Olympics.
And a routine is not just jumps. Alina doesnt just skate she makes her program (spins etc)
LOL the that's so raven future vision at the end was the bomb. HAHAHAHA
Alina's PCS hovers between 8.3 ~ 8.7, which is WAY more reasonable than Evgenia's 9.5s. I enjoy Alina's program better even though all jumps are in 2nd half because she doesn't seem so forced and unnatural compared to Evgenia. That being said, she definitely has more to improve on (1/2 turn pre-rotations and balancing the program etc)
Is that Bakulin being exposed at 4:58? What is so unprofessional about those comments? Cause you got butthurt? Aww here's some ointment then.
How and why do the olympics keep getting away with this bullshit year after year
This is exactly what I was saying when I watched the program. Yeah she gets all the bonus but the composition and presentation score must go down since this is a badly crafted program. But noooooo
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i would like alina so much more if she didn't backload every jump 😞 what a shame
WOW, how beautiful it looks the 3Lz+3Lo.
Evgenia Medvedeva can not even jump 3Lz+3T,
why does she get such high scores of 150?
Оля Светлячкова The 3Lo should've been downgraded. It wasn't even a 3Lo
This is exactly why I stopped watching these competitions back in 1995 because of the SHITTY judging back then. Incredulous it is Still happening in 2017. Just frickin puts a bummer on watching something that should be so free of controversy. The judging standards suck to this day. What a joke. Japan’s skate was so much more balanced and enjoyable to watch.
I think she has potential and will do well with experience. I'm not bashing Russian skaters but I do agree that Medmedeva is beyond overrated. Pogo and Lena I think are done. I love Wakaba! She s got a lot to offer
The shade of it all 😂
Wow .. this is a commentator? It's a man from the bazaar. Unprofessionalism and ignorance of the commentator.
Your channel has opened my eyes, thank you!
Damn exposing them all
A++++++++++++ use of Sister Act.
I will follow him, follow him wherever he may go~~
Love this song, such nostalgia.
Finally the judges speak their mind for once. I gotta say, they've got some steel endurance
She performed Level 4 Spins and Stsq in the first half. Her spins are outstanding. I will not describe those elements as nothing. Jumps are not everything in a program. If the choreography fits the structure of the music, why is backloading the jumps worse than frontloading the jumps or evenly distributing the jumps? It will be boring if every skater does the same structure, I personally like seeing different types of program structures, front, back and even. It is all about the overall performance and how she delivers.
Curious Curious well...uts the thrill..whether they will succeed it or not. Thats why its sports. Spins are nowhere close to jumps in aspect of difficulty. Thats why its called unbalanced. Cuz her first half was about art the other was about techniques. But its supposed to be done simultaneously, not seperately.
I love Zagitova because her jumps looks more clean about the russian ladies... She and Polina Tsurskaya are amazing because they can do an outside edge on Lutz, make the corret 3T as a second in a combination... But the fact that both are coached by Tutberitze says a lot... I still thinking that it all is not fault of the skaters, it’s the corrupt Russia and the associates who have infiltrated the system... If they be coached by other coach and had a good choreographer to don’t created more backloads programs, they could do incredible programs... I HATE SO MUCH COMBINATIONS WITH 3LO AS THE SECOND JUMP OMG... Because is more easy to underrotated and I think that is more difficult to fit into music as an element, and make the skaters loose the softness and the lightness that is an 3Lz+3T combination, its everithing about the points, I can’t.... Art in the first, please...
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Alina's skate is so horrible, prerotaton, full blade assistance, her choreo is just childish, she tries to imitate a real ballet dancer, why is her back alwayas paralel to the ground? thats not figure skating
Alina is fabulous the program is one of the best I ever seen, she is graceful and talented.
That step sequence is slow and just lackluster; she should have gotten >> on the loop in the combination jump; the first half is slow and seems like “energy conservation “ and that second half the program is just going around in the center of the ice jumping, lacks ice coverage and should decrease choreographic composition and purpose.
I mean
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I have to agree that this program is not well balanced because the jumps are all placed in the 2nd half. She ended up having to just basically doing one jumping pass after another in the 2nd half of the program. And this is very noticeable and just doesn't create a well structured or even pleasing or interesting program as a whole. It seems disjointed! It's too bad, because she has the techniques, presentation, lines, beautiful great jumps. But too bad the whole program is just lacking for me. I would have put Higuchi over her! Higuchi's program was great!
HAHAHA! Good one! :P Great & truthful Commentator! Finally someone who understands the sport! :P
i don't think it counts as shade when they clarify literally seconds later with statements like "it's an incredibly bold choice" and "she can carry these two minutes without jumping."
oh my god I love the ending 😂 this made my morning better
Almost 70 for presentation, lmao
Love you CBC
The russians and canadian's ladies was overscored all time.
omfg i cannot stand that alina does all her jumps after the halfway jump. boring much? at least evgenia does her jumps earlier than alina
lipnitskaya fan its why Japanese fans hated Alina when she beat Marin at Junior worlds, They call Back loading a flawed system of the ISU
Denisee Marin is just not able to do what Alina can do - all jumps in the second half, you should be so strong for that.
Polina Iziumova i know, its what I told Marin fans back then, Alina is technically stronger than Marin. but a coach once said from a sporting perspective the concept is correct but from an artistic perspective, perhaps it unbalances an program"
Denisee maybe a little bit, but her FS looks good with this unbalance, because the music from Don Quixote combines perfectly w/her jumps.
Polina Iziumova True, and she's probably the only one that might beat Evgenia
she won the Olympics
at least she was better than *some* others... *cough* adelina *cough* she might have deserved the gold at 2018 a bit more... at least she didn't cheat *too* much i think. *queen yuna deserved gold* RIP ISU
not much is happening in the first part of the program? oh really? open your eyes and enjoy 2 beautiful and extremely hard step sequences perfectly fit with the music, as well as the jumps in the second part. and stop hating, not all the programs by all girls should have the same structure.
Sergei Ko she is walking on ice, how is that hard? Actually her step sequence isn't hard at all because she's not creating flow on the ice.
oh yeah? ok then, why hadn't any other female or even male skater before Alina "walked on ice" if it's not that hard at all?
Sergei Ko why should they copy mediocrity?
Uh....cuz figure is combination of beauty and technique??
Exactly, skating is not only jumping over and over again.
Lol. Very entertaining. Their comments are far more entertaining than the programs. These commentators should have been the judges. I wouldn't complain, seriously. 😁
I like alina she's my fav russian skaters of all time after Elena I love this program but yeah the backloading was a bit much.
I'm glad that the new rule changed it into only the last 3 jumps have bonus points. Back in 2012 when they came up with the 1.10 bonus for jumps in the second half, skaters would load all the jumps in the first half. For God's sake just have a balanced program.
I can't stand them talking about Alina like that since she's my favorite female skater. Not just that, her program was almost flawless. And at the beginning when he called the first half of her program BORING?! because there are no jumps? Sorry, but some of Evgenia's programs are like that, too, but they call all of Evgenia's programs flawless and great? ISU has become a disaster and all of the magic of figure skating is gone. They just try to push Evgenia forward for some unknown reason and try to find mistakes in all other much better skaters. Disgusting.
Sara Gros Huh? So you can't stand them stating the truth because they also didn't harp on Medvedeva?
The ENTIRE program was boring. First half: nothing happened. It was a slow warm-up for her.
Second half: jump, jump, jump, jump skate in circle, jump, jump, jump and Spin. How boring.
BOTH halves were boring.
She's a great skater but her program sucks! And you can blame that on her coach, choreographer and her team!
P Luu she is NOT a great skater, omg. She is barely mediocre
I like this girl too..but that underrotation was a bit too much..
LOL this is PURE GOLD :D:D:D
Что зависть с людьми делает) четыре года успокоиться не могут. Не я понимаю засудили Юну в 2014, но так то и Слуцкую засудили в 2002. Мы ж не кидаемся на всех теперь из за этого.
backloaded programs like this and medvdv appear to never really have any thought into the choreaography because the idea was always to rack up points. so if your intentions going into designing a program is to garner as many points as possible, then all the skating leading up to the jumps appears contrived, the footwork isnt well thought out and oftentimes seems incomplete, and the jumps inevitably wont fit in with the music or the choreography.
the judges and isu really need to follow their own rules and penalize backloaded programs (but as we know if youre russian instead of penalizing them, they are given extra bonus points), it takes the artistry away and the entire program falls apart.
I absolutely agree with this. Yes, you should design to maximize points, but not at the expense of the choreography or a well constructed program!
Very rude of him! I find her skating lovely. Although I hope Carolina Kostner will get a medal, I wish Zagitova luck for her Olympics .