When Lars Anderson first made that legendary video way back in 2014, I always wondered if that technique would work on an Oneida bow. 8 years later, we finally have an answer. Thanks for testing and confirming!
I love it. This is the way Archery should be. Just shoot a bow however you want and try something different from time to time. That's part of the fun. Enjoy your new toy.
YES!! FINALLY!! This made me Smile, i Always thought of it, a Compound/Lever bow with Thumb draw but sadly no videos are made about them Thank you Soooooo Much Armin!!
Hi Armin. I am very familiar with Oneida bows, I bought the first one in 1988, the Screaming Eagle, which was the fastest compound bow on the market at the time, 228 FPS AMO if I remember correctly. I was one of the very few in Italy to use it, I also hunted a lot. I still have it fully functional! Then I bought an Aeroforce X80: faster, but also heavier. Finally in 2003 I got a Black Eagle ESC which looks a lot like the one you are using and with which I have hunted several wild boars. I love the Oneida but now they are no longer the fastest compounds: soft traction curve, usable with the fingers, if the string breaks when hunting you can easily replace it, they looks so beautiful!. As a rest I have always built a rounded wooden "L" attached with the double-sided tape on which the arrow slides. The big problem of all Oneida for seexperience are 2: the Yoke cables (the steel cables with a larger diameter) break easily at the point where they make the angle on the cams (the maximum peak load point of the bow to be clear) due to wear: bend after bend the metal will fray and break and it is not easy to get parts from the USA. The second problem is that the inside face of the limbs tends to splinter with the shots, it seems not to withstand the forces in compression. I used 600 grs heavy hunting arrows with the bow set at 60# and 30" draw length. Greetings!
I have an Oneida Compound bow on my bow rack. I have had it for 24 years. I stopped using it about 20 years ago when I returned to "primitive archery." I switched from a long bow to a compound in the 1970's after 20 years of shooting. I became disenchanted with compound bows when I discovered the need for a bow press and other specialized tools. I am much happier shooting one of my horse bows.
You don't need a bow press or any specialized tools for an Oneida. A set of Allen wrenches and a screwdriver is all you need. Been shooting one since the '80s as well as long bows and Indian and York recurves.
@The Banned I've replaced many of those with standard SAE bolts. And I have scraped out many a longbow with glass shards and steam bent the tips. I'm done doing that at 82.
@@davisrs1 at 82 I’m glade to see your still shooting 👍 I started on compounds in the late 80’s as a child… but lost interest bc I only shoot fingers and instinctual. Over the years compounds got shorter and shorter until my last one a PSE was only 38 inches ata. Nowadays they are 27 inches and a 36 is considered a long compound. I want to start again with an Oneida but they are expensive in NZ at around $2500 nzd
@@alansutton2858 Find a good used Aeroforce. They were one of the first adjustable Oneida bows and the draw curve has not changed much over the years. It's a good fingers bow but heavy at 5 lbs. I shoot a Screaming Eagle at 50 inches 31 inches draw, but those bows had no draw length adjustment.
Its been 2 years but I figured other might want to know. The reason he was shooting to the left is becuse his arrow rest was attached too far to th left. The true center of the bow is about 10-30mm to the right of where his shelf was located. To fix this buy a screw in shelf that allows you to ajust the position left of right. Once you get it right in the center your shots will ring true every time.
Yeah.. just use the shelf they gave you.. I think it looked like u shot a bit Less to the left... Meaning a bit more towards the center, when u used the regular shelf. Gosh what a lovely thing... Someday. I'll get one.
You are right. The arrow was past the center of the bow and there is nothing you can do to make the arrow go straight. Shooting with fingers the arrow has to go on the outside of the bow centerline.
What a shape at full draw! Lovely! ☺️👍 Agree, this kind of hybrid/ compound bow looks nice even for asiatic bows lover 😁 Recently I have switched bows with a longbow archer at the archery club training session … LOL! First I have shot thumbrelease with the LH Longbow- arrows missed the target at 18m 😆 Then I have tried LH shooting- arrows missed the target to the other side 😂 When I was shooting RTD bows 2 years ago, I had to close one eye for aiming. Now I keep both eyes open… Nevertheless, the Osprey is really a nice bow! Much fun and thank you for the review Part 1! ☺️🙏
Nice. Very nice video. Timely also. I have had several questions concerning the Osprey. Frankly I never considered it. Thank you for cutting edge archery reviews. I would very much like to see Oneida make an optional straight or non shelfed riser. A riser which would resemble a double bow with dual shelfs. Such a setup would be versatile, frankly, more interesting to me.
Interesting idea? A dual handed bow by Oneida? Otherwise an engineering graduate could blueprint one and have it 3D printed from powdered Ti ready to transfer the Ospreys running gear across.
I used to have an Oneida bow when I was younger. Miss it a lot. They certainly do have a pretty interesting look. Currently shoot both compound and a horsebow (the compound is for hunting). Different shooting experiences and performance. Each has its purpose. Go buy a basic sight and you'll be splitting arrows out to 30 yards pretty easily with that bow. Always good to try something new but don't get seduced by it ;)
That was pretty fast now you need to get you a Mathews that shoots 400 FPS, It’s very interesting getting a left-handed bow so you could shoot thumb release with a compound style bow, thank you for sharing
I shoot an older version of that bow, and at first mine always went off to the side too, and I found the solution was to use a stiffer arrow. Much stiffer spine than you would use for a recurve bow with the same draw weight. Maybe try using arrows with a stiffer spine and see if that corrects it for you? My Oneida is set at 50 lbs draw weight just like my 50 lbs recurve, but it needs arrows with a much stiffer spine than my recurve. Also, I shoot mine with a wire flipper rest, but I'm shooting it on the inside of the bow with a split finger draw.
I've been shooting compound (wheelie) instinctive with bare thumb draw for a few years now, just got my first traditional (a Kaya) a few months ago. I shot way to the right with the trad in the beginning. And likewise, when I switch back to the compound I shoot way to the left now. Mainly shoots the trad now, because then the arrows won't go through the barn walls or disappear into the ground on misses.
That bow looks cool.! This looks like the same kind of thing they are doing in buhtan where they shoot primitive, horse bows, recurve, compound, just about any kind of bow you can imagen. And they are shooting just about every type of draw thats out there with out a mechanical release. I think this is going to be important with all the world changes and breaks in supply lines, people will be looking to adapting to what they have on hand. I know one guy who has been waiting over 2 months for a replacement string on his compound bow thats not an exotic model. I know you can adapt to the pointing type of aiming with that kind of bow (as we do in most thumb draw kinds of archery). But it seems with a knocking point and a specific anchor point you could put a sight on that bow and be pretty accurate at distance. With this kind of bow you could also shoot a wide range of arrows plus one that have vanes..
LoL ....that's awesome..I've been thinking about this and wanted this bow for the same reason...it still looks like a bow and the limbs move like a real bow ...but you beat me to it buddy ...excellent work Soon you'll be driving tacks with it these bows are super accurate
It will work, been thumbing with super recurve ILF setup for years One thing to notice, do not use double torque technique on any ILF setups when shooting thumb, learnt a very expensive lesson by twisting a set of $900 ILf super recurve limb in a year. Lever bow should be fine as it is basically torque proof
Hey Mr. Armin those Oneida compounds are really awesome bows! Oneida been making them here for many years. If you get use to how that shoots it may become one of your favorites! ...and yes, Jesus Christ I know Him! He's the best friend I've ever had.
Some people get upset because you don't do that because it's wrong. But I think even Robin Wood put aside his purple robe from time to time and drove the goblins in Mordor back into the continuum with the help of his bow from Dumbledore. Luke would be proud of you. No trigger there...haters gonna hate.
I shoot a genX compound by genesis with thumb. So fun. I have a right hand and left hand version. One with sights for target archery. The other when I want to be more traditional
Als "Instinktivschütze" hatte ich mit dem Phoenix die gleichen Probleme. Immer linkslastig. Nach langer Zeit und vielen Tuningversuchen schieße ich dieses faszinierende Teil jetzt mit Naturfedern direkt über Shelf und einer DIY Verkleinerung des Pfeilfensters um den Pfeil ins Center zu bekommen. Die Systemschützen oder "Spitzenzieler" wie z.B. Tim Wells oder Tribe Drake haben da mit einer Pfeilauflage keine Probleme. Ob Daumentechnik/mediteran/three under spielt dabei keine Rolle.
Nice video sir.. maybe u can use whisker style arrow rest so that we can adjust either left or right the arrows can be... Just a suggestion. Have a nice day sir.
U can use that shelf... That's how my bow came that I got. That super cheapy I found... Very similar looking shelf... U should just try using that. And take that plastic thingy off and just see where those arrows go...
Try a MG Outdoor Profi Spring Rest with this bow. Easy to Setup and worry free. I used it on a lever action compound (RPM Striker Gen. 1) without trouble.
Thank you for such a great idea for my wife's birthday!..she is more traditional than myself, however i still love a recurve as well..but hunt with compound.
Ich liebe die Klappspaten, aber eher die alten Modelle, als die aktuellen. Ich habe einen uralten Linkshand-Holzcompound, den will ich irgendwann auch mit Daumen schießen.
it's not Completely Center shot Armin, it's Past Center meaning it's deeper than the Center, because people will use Arrow rests i cut and put a Belt on top of the Shelf and on the Side to bring the Arrow outside and Exactly to the middle
@@ArminHirmer You have the Ability to Affect the Archery industry armin, if a Company truly cares and Sees the rapid change for people switching to Thumb draw, they might come out with a Special Lever/compound bow for Thumb release with a Different shelf and handle and everything 👍
The only thing that stops me with these lever action bows is the price everytime. In France, we have a reseller for these bows with warranty and customization but even with the vanilla bow ( RPM Nitro) it is almost 1200€.
That's crazy pricing for the RPM nitro, here in Australia you can pick them up for $900 AUD, I feel super lucky picking up a second-hand one for $350. I Always wanted a Oneida but couldn't justify the price to import one. Happy with the RPM thought it's fun shooter for a change.
Goddamn that's awful. I bought the Nitro from RPM at ~$600 USD in 2019, and the Nitro XX also at ~$600 USD in 2020. I can't finding the listing anymore, but there was an aliexpress listing of six RPM Nitros for $1100 back in 2019.
This is the only compound bow I like. Before I started thumb shooting this was the ultimate bow in my mind. It was the only bow I wanted. Now I'm remembering why that was 😂 230fps with a 30 pound bow! Holly shit! 😁
Armin, after owning this bow for a little while, I would like to get your feelings on it now. I completely forgot that you reviewed the osprey, and I am watching this video again. I am considering a left handed phoenix just as your osprey for the same reason of arrow placement.
Just a suggestion for Oneida + Thumb Release part 2 video because I'm actually curious: Install a fall-away arrow rest and see if the thumb release technique is still applicable and/or if it improves arrow flight.
@@ArminHirmer Maybe it is worth mentioning that not all Oneidas can be shot of the shelf (e.g the Phoenix) but you basically need a whisker biscuit or a fall-away arrow rest (the "riser part" is too far to the left) for those. Still shooting to the left with a fall-away rest (trying to make it work with thumb release and a sight, which turns out to be a bit tricky).
@@Mytzeplix Sure you can! You add more padding to the rest! I shoot all of my Oneidas off the shelf. Boondock Outdoors makes the best ones for each bow.
looked to me like you were doing a little khatra. Maybe this is why you are missing to the left with this center-shot bow? Just an idea... Thanks for the video!
I think you could review Deerseeker horsebow, of you have the opportunity: it's a cheap chinese bow made of wood and fiberglass. I have one, my First bow, the handle is uncomfortable, but as a performance i think It is absolutely worth its price! The weight Is light. It might be interesting:)
I ever wondered how you can shoot the nock so far away from your cheek/eye. For me it's clear why you shoot to the left. The miricle is more, why you hit with horesbows :-)
Interesting thing, this type of bow. It seems to me that a circle is closing. From Brown Bear to Oneida Eagle. Go ahead, draw an other circle, in the next years, with many other bows. I'm excited to see what's to come :-).
Impressive how you managed to avoid destroying the white spot on your target! 😂 For a compound, it looks good. Performance wise, it's still looking good. Am I convinced by compounds? Nope! (don't tell me it's raining in Malta. I live in Le Havre, and we have another definition of rain)
Hello Armin, I would very much like to see more videos of your progress with this particular bow. I am very interested in acquiring one. Which is a bit strange considering that I am an absolute neophyte to Archery. My significant other and I recently decided to take up Archery, practically yesterday ** Almost not an exaggeration. I bought a few bows already. An SAS 54” Recurve 22lb Takedown Bow/ 58” Recurve 35lb Takedown Bow * (Black Hunter knockoff), and a 60” Longbow, also 35lb takedown Bow, which I can interchange the limbs with the Recurve Bow, the risers are virtually identical. I hold the bow in my left hand, which feels natural, and all three bows have the Arrow shelf on the left side too. However, watching this video I noticed that you also hold the Bow with your left hand but feeding the Arrow on the right side, which seems like it makes more sense to my mind. I bought the three bows because they were a very good deal, and it seems like feeding the arrows across the bow was the most conventional anyway. However, if I purchase the Oneida Osprey, I am inclined to get it with the orientation of feeding the Arrows on the right, while also holding the bow with my left hand. I would like your thoughts regarding the side to feed the Arrows on a Bow in that price range. I am totally prepared to learn from both sides if necessary… BTW: I appreciate the cadence and demeanor of your videos… Thanks 🤔
Ya ya! LOL Most of the Folk, showing up at the Deer Processor used Compound Bows or Crossbows! ME with Simon's Raptor!! WTF kinda Bow is that!!!! LOL 2 years in a row! LOL If not for you,SIR! I would have never messed with their minds! LOL
I shoot barebow compound, had good luck with hoyt quiet track rests, nice thing being is they will give you centre shot adjustment. Cheap too. Probably worth trying a whisker biscuit too, no chance of the arrow coming off the rest and again centre shot adjustable.
Oneida are cool looking But finicky to tune . Needs more attention maintenance wise . I used to own an older one . Very fun with iconic look . A pole archery club mate fell in love with the model . It's weird but he likes the finicky tuning . Bought two new ones .
It doesn't look like the bow itself does anything. All the energy seems to be contained within the pulley mechanism. I wonder why the frame is so complex? The Oneida live next to us - the people of the standing stone, part of the Iroquois Confederacy.
We were just talking about the oneida bows with my friend from our archery club and now you're testing it.. What the hell.. HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS??? 🤣 Anyway, this is one hell of a bow, even though I personally dislike compound bows -- mainly because they're too complex i.e. too much thing that can go wrong or break -- I'd love to own an Osprey, the profile of this thing is just something else. I have a question about shooting with it, I've noticed on a few shots that you tilt the bow just like when you shoot with khatra, wouldn't that be counterproductive with a centershot bow? . . . Off Topic: I found an awesome bow for the next patreon poll, I'm curious whether the people will vote it in or not :D
Did it feel heavy? I bought an Oneida Screaming Eagle 30 years ago. When I pick it up now days, It feels terribly heavy in the bow hand. However, it looks like they have been refined some over the years... Oh, and my old one is very noisy compared to this one! I've like this design because of the reflex limbs.
Makaralı yay 320-350fps. Olimpik klasik yay 150-170fps. Onedia yarı makaralı yarı klasik yay 260-300fps. Grozer MacarTürk yayı 250-270fps. İngiliz uzun yayı 180-200fps. Arbalet 350-390fps. Klasik arbalet 250-290fps. Çam okları 5-10 atışta kırılır. Taşa yada demire değerse. Plastik oklar 2 atışta kırılır. Karbon oklar 50-60 atışta kırılır. Alüminyum oklar 120-150 atışta kırılır. Yaylar kadar okta önemlidir.
isnt centershot better because arrow doesnt wobble so much in flight? Also a lot of moving parts of that bow. Would that bow break easier than just a traditional horse bow because of all those fine moving parts?
Great bow with correct arrow rest but £800 starting silly when you can get a ready to hunt + bear compound £380 from merlin archery 320 fps... or buy a real horn bow or hybrid and enjoy traditional archery with real skill development... saying that it is a beautiful bow but acquired taste great review as always Armin
Schönes Video. Nicht der übliche Bogentest, kommt die Freude am Bogenschießen besser rüber. Wenn ichs richtig gesehen habe, war da oft ein leichtes, automatisches sidekathra. Glaub das mag dieses Bogendesign nicht.
I have an oneida phoenix that is set up for traditional western style. Please be careful shooting wood arrows out of that bow armin, especially if you take the poundage up.
You do realize that you’re shooting a left handed bow right handed right? It’s lucky for you that it’s an Oneida, any other bow manufacturers you’d be shooting your normal handed bow
i shoot a compoundbow with the normal CAMs but i´ve seen this Oneida somwhere and it looks interesting to me. the mechanical system seems to be a bit more complex than the usualy cam system. so far as i can see, only th inner part of the limbs creating the power. the outer recurves looks stiff to me - is that right ?? i was interested of one of these bow´s but i was scared about the price. roundabout 1500€ for an experimental thing was way too much for me. usualy you need a lot more of technical parts that increase the total costs. so i´ll stay at my convetionaly ones :-))
yes, outer limbs are stiff. all the magic happens inside hahaha. this style is the only which I would get, normal compounds with the wheels at the ends are not my style
I'm actually making a lever action bow with a more traditional handle so shooting thumb is easier. I can tell you are impressed with the speed of the bow when you let a "jesus christ" slip out.
Could you compare this one to the green Muzzy Lever Bow? The Muzzy is cheaper but I'm worried it won't perform as well and would love to know what you think.
When Lars Anderson first made that legendary video way back in 2014, I always wondered if that technique would work on an Oneida bow. 8 years later, we finally have an answer. Thanks for testing and confirming!
Ohhh my gosh. This is now the bow of my dreams.
Absolutely awesome bow. This is the coolest bow ever.
I think the Green arrow used one of these in the show. Crappy show, but a damn good bow :D
@@gizmonomono 😂 yeah that was a crappy show. But yeah he did use one of these. I believe it was from the same company as well.
Great to see you trying something totally new for you. The bow looks really futuristic - never seen anything like it.
They've actually been around for 30 years or so...but the newer ones are way lighter way sleeker
Watch the CW show Arrow, it’s about green arrow character. The show itself is B level mildly entertaining but it has archery so I can’t hate it.
40 years
These are ancient. They'll never change. Nice bows. Tim wells shoots an oneida too.
@@jareth7456 mine is from 1995 , I still use it for 3D and it still draws attention
What an amazing bit of kit. I love the idea of compounds but hate the look/feel. This looks like a perfect combination of the two styles.
I love it. This is the way Archery should be. Just shoot a bow however you want and try something different from time to time. That's part of the fun. Enjoy your new toy.
Next Step, Horseback Archery with a Oneida...
@@AlfaRevoluzione should be on a motorbike then :D
@@ArminHirmer cant wait
I've been wondering about this for a few years. Thank you for making this video.
YES!! FINALLY!!
This made me Smile, i Always thought of it, a Compound/Lever bow with Thumb draw but sadly no videos are made about them
Thank you Soooooo Much Armin!!
Ohhhhh my gosh. I LOVE THIS. AWESOME, definitely an awesome bow for Slavic and thumb. So cool
Hi Armin. I am very familiar with Oneida bows, I bought the first one in 1988, the Screaming Eagle, which was the fastest compound bow on the market at the time, 228 FPS AMO if I remember correctly. I was one of the very few in Italy to use it, I also hunted a lot. I still have it fully functional! Then I bought an Aeroforce X80: faster, but also heavier. Finally in 2003 I got a Black Eagle ESC which looks a lot like the one you are using and with which I have hunted several wild boars. I love the Oneida but now they are no longer the fastest compounds: soft traction curve, usable with the fingers, if the string breaks when hunting you can easily replace it, they looks so beautiful!. As a rest I have always built a rounded wooden "L" attached with the double-sided tape on which the arrow slides. The big problem of all Oneida for seexperience are 2: the Yoke cables (the steel cables with a larger diameter) break easily at the point where they make the angle on the cams (the maximum peak load point of the bow to be clear) due to wear: bend after bend the metal will fray and break and it is not easy to get parts from the USA. The second problem is that the inside face of the limbs tends to splinter with the shots, it seems not to withstand the forces in compression. I used 600 grs heavy hunting arrows with the bow set at 60# and 30" draw length. Greetings!
I have an Oneida Compound bow on my bow rack. I have had it for 24 years. I stopped using it about 20 years ago when I returned to "primitive archery." I switched from a long bow to a compound in the 1970's after 20 years of shooting. I became disenchanted with compound bows when I discovered the need for a bow press and other specialized tools. I am much happier shooting one of my horse bows.
You don't need a bow press or any specialized tools for an Oneida.
A set of Allen wrenches and a screwdriver is all you need. Been shooting one since the '80s as well as long bows and Indian and York recurves.
@The Banned I've replaced many of those with standard SAE bolts. And I have scraped out many a longbow with glass shards and steam bent the tips.
I'm done doing that at 82.
@@davisrs1 at 82 I’m glade to see your still shooting 👍 I started on compounds in the late 80’s as a child… but lost interest bc I only shoot fingers and instinctual. Over the years compounds got shorter and shorter until my last one a PSE was only 38 inches ata. Nowadays they are 27 inches and a 36 is considered a long compound. I want to start again with an Oneida but they are expensive in NZ at around $2500 nzd
@@alansutton2858
Find a good used Aeroforce. They were one of the first adjustable Oneida bows and the draw curve has not changed much over the years.
It's a good fingers bow but heavy at 5 lbs.
I shoot a Screaming Eagle at 50 inches 31 inches draw, but those bows had no draw length adjustment.
Really cool Armin!!
Its been 2 years but I figured other might want to know. The reason he was shooting to the left is becuse his arrow rest was attached too far to th left. The true center of the bow is about 10-30mm to the right of where his shelf was located. To fix this buy a screw in shelf that allows you to ajust the position left of right. Once you get it right in the center your shots will ring true every time.
Cool,,, like the green arrow
Yeah.. just use the shelf they gave you.. I think it looked like u shot a bit Less to the left... Meaning a bit more towards the center, when u used the regular shelf.
Gosh what a lovely thing... Someday. I'll get one.
You are right. The arrow was past the center of the bow and there is nothing you can do to make the arrow go straight. Shooting with fingers the arrow has to go on the outside of the bow centerline.
Wanted to see this for a while now so I'm happy to see it works. Thank you.
What a shape at full draw! Lovely! ☺️👍
Agree, this kind of hybrid/ compound bow looks nice even for asiatic bows lover 😁
Recently I have switched bows with a longbow archer at the archery club training session … LOL! First I have shot thumbrelease with the LH Longbow- arrows missed the target at 18m 😆
Then I have tried LH shooting- arrows missed the target to the other side 😂
When I was shooting RTD bows 2 years ago, I had to close one eye for aiming. Now I keep both eyes open…
Nevertheless, the Osprey is really a nice bow!
Much fun and thank you for the review Part 1! ☺️🙏
Nice. Very nice video. Timely also. I have had several questions concerning the Osprey. Frankly I never considered it. Thank you for cutting edge archery reviews. I would very much like to see Oneida make an optional straight or non shelfed riser. A riser which would resemble a double bow with dual shelfs. Such a setup would be versatile, frankly, more interesting to me.
thats right. maybe if enough people ask for it, Oneida will consider?
Interesting idea? A dual handed bow by Oneida? Otherwise an engineering graduate could blueprint one and have it 3D printed from powdered Ti ready to transfer the Ospreys running gear across.
Armin, you made me laugh out loud @ 4:10
I used to have an Oneida bow when I was younger. Miss it a lot. They certainly do have a pretty interesting look. Currently shoot both compound and a horsebow (the compound is for hunting). Different shooting experiences and performance. Each has its purpose. Go buy a basic sight and you'll be splitting arrows out to 30 yards pretty easily with that bow.
Always good to try something new but don't get seduced by it ;)
X2
I just bought a oneida osprey, somewhat similar, cant wait to break it in.
Thanks Armin. Beautifull vidéo as Always. Nice day.
That was pretty fast now you need to get you a Mathews that shoots 400 FPS, It’s very interesting getting a left-handed bow so you could shoot thumb release with a compound style bow, thank you for sharing
I shoot an older version of that bow, and at first mine always went off to the side too, and I found the solution was to use a stiffer arrow. Much stiffer spine than you would use for a recurve bow with the same draw weight. Maybe try using arrows with a stiffer spine and see if that corrects it for you? My Oneida is set at 50 lbs draw weight just like my 50 lbs recurve, but it needs arrows with a much stiffer spine than my recurve. Also, I shoot mine with a wire flipper rest, but I'm shooting it on the inside of the bow with a split finger draw.
I just need a proper arrow rest, arrows are fine :)
I've been shooting compound (wheelie) instinctive with bare thumb draw for a few years now, just got my first traditional (a Kaya) a few months ago.
I shot way to the right with the trad in the beginning. And likewise, when I switch back to the compound I shoot way to the left now.
Mainly shoots the trad now, because then the arrows won't go through the barn walls or disappear into the ground on misses.
Had the EXACT same reaction when i got the oneida phoenix!
Servus Armin, wieder einmal (eh wie Alle von Dir) ein super klasses Video. Liebe Grüße, Roman🤝
danke Dir Roman
Would dearly love to have an Oneida Bow!! Love the Bells!
more pretty then I thought :)
That bow looks cool.! This looks like the same kind of thing they are doing in buhtan where they shoot primitive, horse bows, recurve, compound, just about any kind of bow you can imagen. And they are shooting just about every type of draw thats out there with out a mechanical release. I think this is going to be important with all the world changes and breaks in supply lines, people will be looking to adapting to what they have on hand. I know one guy who has been waiting over 2 months for a replacement string on his compound bow thats not an exotic model.
I know you can adapt to the pointing type of aiming with that kind of bow (as we do in most thumb draw kinds of archery). But it seems with a knocking point and a specific anchor point you could put a sight on that bow and be pretty accurate at distance. With this kind of bow you could also shoot a wide range of arrows plus one that have vanes..
LoL ....that's awesome..I've been thinking about this and wanted this bow for the same reason...it still looks like a bow and the limbs move like a real bow ...but you beat me to it buddy ...excellent work
Soon you'll be driving tacks with it these bows are super accurate
Try a "whisker biscuit" arrow rest. should work well with that bow
It will work, been thumbing with super recurve ILF setup for years
One thing to notice, do not use double torque technique on any ILF setups when shooting thumb, learnt a very expensive lesson by twisting a set of $900 ILf super recurve limb in a year.
Lever bow should be fine as it is basically torque proof
Impressive speed
Hey Mr. Armin those Oneida compounds are really awesome bows! Oneida been making them here for many years. If you get use to how that shoots it may become one of your favorites! ...and yes, Jesus Christ I know Him! He's the best friend I've ever had.
Some people get upset because you don't do that because it's wrong. But I think even Robin Wood put aside his purple robe from time to time and drove the goblins in Mordor back into the continuum with the help of his bow from Dumbledore. Luke would be proud of you.
No trigger there...haters gonna hate.
yep and you know how much we care about haters :D
@@ArminHirmer we love and enjoy them!
I have an oneida eagle since 20 years ago....still a great bow
I shoot a genX compound by genesis with thumb. So fun. I have a right hand and left hand version. One with sights for target archery. The other when I want to be more traditional
Shooting left is due to the cut past center arrow shelf. Adding some padding to thicken the arrow pass will correct it.
is already in progress :)
Futuristic ninja assassin bow
hehe
It's a very interesting bow, it would be funny to see a horseback archer use this bow :D
Two arrows in hand while shooting, wow!!
Als "Instinktivschütze" hatte ich mit dem Phoenix die gleichen Probleme. Immer linkslastig. Nach langer Zeit und vielen Tuningversuchen schieße ich dieses faszinierende Teil jetzt mit Naturfedern direkt über Shelf und einer DIY Verkleinerung
des Pfeilfensters um den Pfeil ins Center zu bekommen. Die Systemschützen oder "Spitzenzieler" wie z.B. Tim Wells oder Tribe Drake haben da mit einer Pfeilauflage keine Probleme. Ob Daumentechnik/mediteran/three under spielt dabei keine Rolle.
I'd imagine with a Vaportrail Drop Away Limbdriven Rest you would be a Monster!!! 😁🏹 A very cool Bow to review!
You should try a pee sight, I used my Korean male thumb ring as an release assist and it worked very well. Try out the combo!
Nice video sir.. maybe u can use whisker style arrow rest so that we can adjust either left or right the arrows can be... Just a suggestion. Have a nice day sir.
U can use that shelf... That's how my bow came that I got. That super cheapy I found... Very similar looking shelf...
U should just try using that. And take that plastic thingy off and just see where those arrows go...
Try a MG Outdoor Profi Spring Rest with this bow. Easy to Setup and worry free. I used it on a lever action compound (RPM Striker Gen. 1) without trouble.
I will make a more traditional one, which will suit my style better
Thank you for such a great idea for my wife's birthday!..she is more traditional than myself, however i still love a recurve as well..but hunt with compound.
Ich liebe die Klappspaten, aber eher die alten Modelle, als die aktuellen. Ich habe einen uralten Linkshand-Holzcompound, den will ich irgendwann auch mit Daumen schießen.
it's not Completely Center shot Armin, it's Past Center meaning it's deeper than the Center, because people will use Arrow rests
i cut and put a Belt on top of the Shelf and on the Side to bring the Arrow outside and Exactly to the middle
work in progress
@@ArminHirmer You have the Ability to Affect the Archery industry armin, if a Company truly cares and Sees the rapid change for people switching to Thumb draw, they might come out with a Special Lever/compound bow for Thumb release with a Different shelf and handle and everything 👍
The only thing that stops me with these lever action bows is the price everytime. In France, we have a reseller for these bows with warranty and customization but even with the vanilla bow ( RPM Nitro) it is almost 1200€.
Yeah I know.
That's crazy pricing for the RPM nitro, here in Australia you can pick them up for $900 AUD, I feel super lucky picking up a second-hand one for $350. I Always wanted a Oneida but couldn't justify the price to import one. Happy with the RPM thought it's fun shooter for a change.
Goddamn that's awful. I bought the Nitro from RPM at ~$600 USD in 2019, and the Nitro XX also at ~$600 USD in 2020.
I can't finding the listing anymore, but there was an aliexpress listing of six RPM Nitros for $1100 back in 2019.
That's just crazy
Completely understand, but still want one…
Talk about a First World Problem..
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This is the only compound bow I like. Before I started thumb shooting this was the ultimate bow in my mind. It was the only bow I wanted. Now I'm remembering why that was 😂
230fps with a 30 pound bow! Holly shit! 😁
230. Highly respected.
So cool! But a little to the left and down. 😄🙇🏻♂️👍🏹
Armin, after owning this bow for a little while, I would like to get your feelings on it now. I completely forgot that you reviewed the osprey, and I am watching this video again. I am considering a left handed phoenix just as your osprey for the same reason of arrow placement.
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I love you to, greetings to Vietnam!
@@ArminHirmer 🏹🏹🏹🎯🎯🎯🤩
Just a suggestion for Oneida + Thumb Release part 2 video because I'm actually curious: Install a fall-away arrow rest and see if the thumb release technique is still applicable and/or if it improves arrow flight.
yes I am already on it, soon next video
@@ArminHirmer Maybe it is worth mentioning that not all Oneidas can be shot of the shelf (e.g the Phoenix) but you basically need a whisker biscuit or a fall-away arrow rest (the "riser part" is too far to the left) for those. Still shooting to the left with a fall-away rest (trying to make it work with thumb release and a sight, which turns out to be a bit tricky).
@@Mytzeplix Sure you can! You add more padding to the rest! I shoot all of my Oneidas off the shelf. Boondock Outdoors makes the best ones for each bow.
Good
looked to me like you were doing a little khatra. Maybe this is why you are missing to the left with this center-shot bow? Just an idea... Thanks for the video!
I think you could review Deerseeker horsebow, of you have the opportunity: it's a cheap chinese bow made of wood and fiberglass. I have one, my First bow, the handle is uncomfortable, but as a performance i think It is absolutely worth its price! The weight Is light. It might be interesting:)
Need to shoot proper hand bow. Been shooting my Oneida Black Eagle for years instinctive.
I ever wondered how you can shoot the nock so far away from your cheek/eye. For me it's clear why you shoot to the left. The miricle is more, why you hit with horesbows :-)
I am a miracle in itself
You need button or something to push little bit arrow to right.
Osprey is for shooting fish, black eagle, Kestrel and phoenix for target
Interesting thing, this type of bow. It seems to me that a circle is closing. From Brown Bear to Oneida Eagle. Go ahead, draw an other circle, in the next years, with many other bows. I'm excited to see what's to come :-).
hehe me too :)
Impressive how you managed to avoid destroying the white spot on your target! 😂
For a compound, it looks good. Performance wise, it's still looking good. Am I convinced by compounds? Nope!
(don't tell me it's raining in Malta. I live in Le Havre, and we have another definition of rain)
Hello Armin,
I would very much like to see more videos of your progress with this particular bow. I am very interested in acquiring one. Which is a bit strange considering that I am an absolute neophyte to Archery.
My significant other and I recently decided to take up Archery, practically yesterday ** Almost not an exaggeration. I bought a few bows already. An SAS 54” Recurve 22lb Takedown Bow/ 58” Recurve 35lb Takedown Bow * (Black Hunter knockoff), and a 60” Longbow, also 35lb takedown Bow, which I can interchange the limbs with the Recurve Bow, the risers are virtually identical.
I hold the bow in my left hand, which feels natural, and all three bows have the Arrow shelf on the left side too. However, watching this video I noticed that you also hold the Bow with your left hand but feeding the Arrow on the right side, which seems like it makes more sense to my mind.
I bought the three bows because they were a very good deal, and it seems like feeding the arrows across the bow was the most conventional anyway.
However, if I purchase the Oneida Osprey, I am inclined to get it with the orientation of feeding the Arrows on the right, while also holding the bow with my left hand.
I would like your thoughts regarding the side to feed the Arrows on a Bow in that price range. I am totally prepared to learn from both sides if necessary…
BTW: I appreciate the cadence and demeanor of your videos…
Thanks
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I don’t know if my eyes are seeing things correctly, but are those two fletch arrows?
thes styles of bows would be the only „compound“ hybrid bows, my Asiatic style bow loving heart would be ok with :D
same
"Try something new" immer gut! 😄
Ya ya! LOL Most of the Folk, showing up at the Deer Processor used Compound Bows or Crossbows! ME with Simon's Raptor!! WTF kinda Bow is that!!!! LOL 2 years in a row! LOL If not for you,SIR! I would have never messed with their minds! LOL
hehe... yeah I think I need a new Raptor too, as someone broke my old one :D
Damn I really want to go hunt with an asiatic bow
230 speed with only 30 pounds max draw and 10 g/p arrows?!! Impressive! And the bow is pretty (at least handsome))
Lever bow
You need to get a whisker biscuit arrow rest.
yeah but it will not work with fast shooting :)
Watch Tim Wells. He hunts with same bow
I shoot barebow compound, had good luck with hoyt quiet track rests, nice thing being is they will give you centre shot adjustment. Cheap too.
Probably worth trying a whisker biscuit too, no chance of the arrow coming off the rest and again centre shot adjustable.
Maybe arrows are underspined an go to the left because the arrow speed is much higher then with a recurve bow and same poundage ?
no, I just need to put an arrow rest on it to make it a true centre shot bow. next video will show
I think it is a left hand bow so you should be holding it with your right hand and pulling the string back with your left hand.
of course it is, I esp ordered it to shoot it with thumb draw
With limbs like that is the draw smoother than a "typical" compound bow?
Warum drehst Du den Bogen nicht etwas runter, dann zieht er sich nicht so schwer.
I will reserve any critical comment until after I've seen the whole video, but that object clashes with your beautiful Zen-like range 😎
not my range anymore hahaha, I just do my videos there
@@ArminHirmer to me, it will always be your range 😁👍🏻🎯
Oneida are cool looking
But finicky to tune .
Needs more attention maintenance wise .
I used to own an older one .
Very fun with iconic look .
A pole archery club mate fell in love with the model .
It's weird but he likes the finicky tuning . Bought two new ones .
It doesn't look like the bow itself does anything. All the energy seems to be contained within the pulley mechanism. I wonder why the frame is so complex?
The Oneida live next to us - the people of the standing stone, part of the Iroquois Confederacy.
Are you shooting a LH bow with your RH?
It's a bow that grows on you and you want to keep shooting it to master the offset.
Just wondering why you shoot a left handed bow right handed? Just curious.
Because I shoot thumb release
What kind of sorcery are you using to be able to record speech in such windy conditions :O
mic close to my face with a wind muff on it :D
We were just talking about the oneida bows with my friend from our archery club and now you're testing it.. What the hell.. HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS??? 🤣 Anyway, this is one hell of a bow, even though I personally dislike compound bows -- mainly because they're too complex i.e. too much thing that can go wrong or break -- I'd love to own an Osprey, the profile of this thing is just something else.
I have a question about shooting with it, I've noticed on a few shots that you tilt the bow just like when you shoot with khatra, wouldn't that be counterproductive with a centershot bow?
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Off Topic: I found an awesome bow for the next patreon poll, I'm curious whether the people will vote it in or not :D
tilting the bow while shooting has nothing to do with khatra. you even tilt a hill style bow :)
@@ArminHirmer Okay, fair enough, it was probably an unconscious association, but regardless of that little mishap the question still stands :D
@@Lionall I dont see it as counterproductive, just try and see what works for you. I need to get my arrow rest done first and test again :)
Did it feel heavy? I bought an Oneida Screaming Eagle 30 years ago. When I pick it up now days, It feels terribly heavy in the bow hand. However, it looks like they have been refined some over the years... Oh, and my old one is very noisy compared to this one! I've like this design because of the reflex limbs.
Not much more than a recurve takedown
Makaralı yay 320-350fps.
Olimpik klasik yay 150-170fps.
Onedia yarı makaralı yarı klasik yay 260-300fps.
Grozer MacarTürk yayı 250-270fps.
İngiliz uzun yayı 180-200fps.
Arbalet 350-390fps.
Klasik arbalet 250-290fps.
Çam okları 5-10 atışta kırılır. Taşa yada demire değerse.
Plastik oklar 2 atışta kırılır.
Karbon oklar 50-60 atışta kırılır.
Alüminyum oklar 120-150 atışta kırılır.
Yaylar kadar okta önemlidir.
isnt centershot better because arrow doesnt wobble so much in flight? Also a lot of moving parts of that bow. Would that bow break easier than just a traditional horse bow because of all those fine moving parts?
My Aeroforce likes heavy and stiff arrows. Maybe Your arrows are a little bit to weak
What happened to that wooden arrow on the ground...
holder for a small plastic bottle as target
Is there a theaded hole to accept an adjustable arrow rest ?
yes of course, but I will do a different mod. Will show in next video
@@ArminHirmer can't wait 👍🏻
Great bow with correct arrow rest but £800 starting silly when you can get a ready to hunt + bear compound £380 from merlin archery 320 fps... or buy a real horn bow or hybrid and enjoy traditional archery with real skill development... saying that it is a beautiful bow but acquired taste great review as always Armin
of course. one can get a Canon camera , which takes photos or a tripple priced Leica, which still just takes photos.
Schönes Video. Nicht der übliche Bogentest, kommt die Freude am Bogenschießen besser rüber. Wenn ichs richtig gesehen habe, war da oft ein leichtes, automatisches sidekathra. Glaub das mag dieses Bogendesign nicht.
das war noch gar nichts :) das war das erste dran gewöhnen. Nun kommt erstmal eine ordentliche Pfeilauflage um den Bogen zum centre shot zu machen :)
I have an oneida phoenix that is set up for traditional western style. Please be careful shooting wood arrows out of that bow armin, especially if you take the poundage up.
yep I usually dont shoot wood :)
I thought oneida bows are mostly for bowfishing? And the tuning of these bows is hell.
I think a bow does. not care if you shoot a fish or a target :)
The last salute is from kung fu ?
yes
You do realize that you’re shooting a left handed bow right handed right? It’s lucky for you that it’s an Oneida, any other bow manufacturers you’d be shooting your normal handed bow
I ordered this one specifically for that reason :) most of the time I know what I am doing :D
i shoot a compoundbow with the normal CAMs but i´ve seen this Oneida somwhere and it looks interesting to me. the mechanical system seems to be a bit more complex than the usualy cam system. so far as i can see, only th inner part of the limbs creating the power. the outer recurves looks stiff to me - is that right ?? i was interested of one of these bow´s but i was scared about the price. roundabout 1500€ for an experimental thing was way too much for me. usualy you need a lot more of technical parts that increase the total costs. so i´ll stay at my convetionaly ones :-))
yes, outer limbs are stiff. all the magic happens inside hahaha. this style is the only which I would get, normal compounds with the wheels at the ends are not my style
I'm actually making a lever action bow with a more traditional handle so shooting thumb is easier. I can tell you are impressed with the speed of the bow when you let a "jesus christ" slip out.
Could you compare this one to the green Muzzy Lever Bow? The Muzzy is cheaper but I'm worried it won't perform as well and would love to know what you think.
if I can get my hands on one, I will