125 years of experience, affordable if not cheap prices, proven design, metallurgy, function, fashion, reputation, appreciation....no. I'd would say they can't be beat.
@@alaskatosweden9942 Show me three incidents of Victorinox knives that have rust. That have springs fail. That have tools snap due to poor heat treating. They aren't the highest hardness steels, but they have mastered an affordable, serviceable, maintenance-free, will-need-to-be-sharpened-with-use, knife.
Admittedly not neutral (although. Swiss…) , Victorinox refused to use fancy delicate steel over a refined set of different steel types for blades and tools. These selected steels holding up well, are flexible enough not to break - and also not breaking my bank.
Here in Vietnam, the Roxon KS2E( with upgraded D2 steel blade) cost ~17USD, the Fieldmaster cost ~37USD. There is just no comparison with that price difference. And even more, the Roxon included a 4mm bit drivers set, something Victorinox keep in their more expensive Cybertool lines. I have not used many multitools but the KS2E clip feels quite sturdy, compared to Victornox SAKs which don't even have that? The availability and qualities might be enough to tip the scale to Victorinox's favor in the UK, here, the closest competitor in that price range is either Sportman or Spartan.
Victorinox is such good value. The only multitool slot I don’t have a Vic in is the heavy duty slot which goes to the Leatherman Surge. At every other weight / size level the Vic is just hard to beat.
I bought my first Victorinox Swiss Army knife nearly 36 years ago. I carried that knife up until about 3 years ago when somebody just dropped it in their pocket and walked away. I remember paying well over $80 for that knife. Sad to say, I've never found another Swiss army knife that I thought was the same quality I had. That knife took a beating over the years and still looked as good as it did when I bought it.
As you rightly said, there are reasons why Victorinox are the market leaders, by a country mile! Their knives have the basis of simplicity and the highest quality anywhere, consistently! Great video!
To me Victorinox has by far the best design of any of these. They are easy to carry and are intuitive. I would say they are one of the best knives ever invented.
@@1114gabby Agreed! However, it's not just the design. Their knives are also superbly manufactured and presented. Their policy of not pandering to "innovations" of other knifemakers, and rather sticking with their own designs and innovations has led to their market-leader status.
Hi Jonathan, thank you for the review and comparisons. I find Victorinox classic in their design, excellent form factor and functionality, and great value for any of their products. I own several different knives. Based on one of your recent reviews I bought a Cybertool and find it absolutely incredible. Thanks again for you reviews, I also feel well informed after watching your reviews! Thanks again, Carl in the United States
Ngl, I was almost a victorinox hater for years. I own a leatherman t4 that I used for a long time. I decided to try a victorinox for the first time a few months ago, and I haven't looked back. I'm rocking a pioneer x and it's been my edc since I got it.
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Welcome to the EDC world. Deciding if you are carrying for convenience, necessity, emergency, or pleasure will help you from over loading your pockets which is very easy to do when you first start out. Good Luck!🇨🇦 .
Well I have carried a Victorinox of one kind or another for 50 years now ,since I was given my first aged 10.They have never given me a problem and I am rather relieved to see that they are still holding there own .Another great video Sir always informative and interesting to watch but I doubt I will be swapping my SAK for anything else anytime soon ,if I were any more attached to these particular knives with there various forms and functions I would need them surgically removed ,but as always your opinion is greatly appreciated and valued .Thank you .
Aw. I was really hoping the Fox Vulpis had good scissors because I love the idea of an in between for the normal and mini sized Victorinox scales and it would be nice to have the carbon fiber scale option without having to look for and deal with after market options.
Heard good things about Ruike multitools, but honestly, I have tried to beat the compact for a logn time. I spent years trying to find something "better" than my compact, but I have given up. I truly think it is the perfect EDC tool for the majority of people. Every alternative gives something up, and it's usually the eyeglasses driver (which is a must for me). Love this channel! Your videos on the compact are a great reminder of why I don't need to seek an alternative, you've done it for me, and the result speaks for itself.
The compact does not have the Vic's awl (which has a cutting edge). This means you can't cut ''dirty things'' with any tool in the back of the knife. So it's difficult to keep the main blade clean enough to eat, and that's a problem to me.
@@tm2bow653 I've carried a small utility knife in the past to use on non food safe materials to combat the single blade issue, it works okay. Actually the manual OTF KatanaX from CRKT seems like a good option, as it locks and is 1 hand operable.
@@tm2bow653 Imagine a Compact with an awl instead of the hook. Or a Phillips instead of the corkscrew aka a Compact Tinker. It’s a shame that there is only one 2 layer SAK with scissors.
I have a leatherman T4. Whilst it's a nicely made peice of kit I just can't fall in love with it. I've considered selling it a few times but then as soon as i pick it up I appreciate how chunky and solid it is and want to keep it again...
I bought an EvoGrip 14 a few years ago because it has some Wenger DNA and that was my favorite brand of knife for many years owned many model along with Victorinox knives. I have owned many of the plier type multitools now that I'm retired no longer doing mechanical and media work I don't need anything heavy. They may be better or cheaper knives but SAK just work and are nice to use.
Very good video as always, but I am very surprised you did not compare the MKM Campo in this. I recently replaced my Super Tinker with the Campo and have been very impressed with it.
I also got one and it didn’t replace my Super Tinker. The blade on the MKM is better and the scissors are actually pretty good. But they are some serious downsides. If I tighten the screws, I can’t open the bottle opener without destroying my fingernails and if I loosen them, there is blade play. The scissors are a bit hard to open, the fork and can opener are pretty much useless for me and the whole tool smells awful. It’s hard to compete with Victorinox and a better blade steel is just not enough for me.
I ordered myself a 91mm Tinker after all of your reviews as I think it checks all the boxes for what I was looking for in an EDC multi-tool. Thank you! :)
I've carried a Victorinox nearly every day for over 40 years. Tried lots of other knives and multi-tools over the years, but I always went back to carrying a Victorinox. In fact, I never really stopped; there was always a Classic on my keys. I'm sure the company philosophy and how they treat their employees helps maintain their high quality.
I won't say they will Never be beaten. But i still have my 1st knife, about 35 years. Still works, still sharp. Rarely maintained. So let's just say they are REALLY good. Also: check mr felix imler who demonstrates like a 1000+ more uses, mods etc. He is awesome.
I recently found a lovely Victorinox an ex left at my place twenty years ago and I absolutely love it! It’s a big old thing but with all the mods that are available now I’m kitting it out with new scales with pocket clip and spaces for flint, tweezers and tooth pick or whatever I choose. I have a Leatherman Crunch, Skeletool and Micra but all together they’re not as useful as the Vic in the pocket, the only really useful thing missing is the mod I did on the Skeletool for a hammer. I’ve had a few Vic’s in my youth and overlooked all of them as they seemed pretty ubiquitous in the UK compared to Leatherman’s but with age and experience Vic’s truly are solid EDC’s now.
Great video Jon. Some worthy competitors for Victorinox - almost getting there. You can see why Victorinox are the best sellers though. I have never found a bad one and I strongly believe there is a victorinox knife out there to suit everyone...
@@Skobeloff... I have carried the Midnite Manager almost everyday day for a year now. I use it every day it's in my pocket sometimes several times a day. It's a great mini multitool.
@@Skobeloff... it uses a small button battery that is replaceable. I have not changed the battery yet. I think it helps that the light only stays on if you hold down the shield button. I have the olight i3E EOS on my keychain that I probably use more than the light on the MM.
@@MB_EDC I bought the Lumintop EDC01 (very similar size to the i3E) but decided that it was too bulky for my keyring, so I removed it and if need be will just use my phone light.
Roxon and Leatherman have some good innovation I would love to see in SAKs. Button tool pop out is awesome. Locking levers definite plus. Easy to grab main blades. And the swiza is SAK with just the right amount of modification to make it so much more useful.
Thank you Jon for reviewing j’te Fox Vulpis 4. I bought the Titanium version and love it very much. The M390 is very sharp and the scissors are working well also. This is a great size that doesn’t take much room in the pocket. Keep the great work!
I watched an interview with Carl Elsener as part of a How it’s Made program. During it he described a pocket knife as a friend. With that attitude, you know that you will be purchasing a long lived quality product.
Love my Huntsman. A little bigger, but has all the right tools for me. Even better since I added eyeglass screwdriver and replaced toothpick with ferro rod!
I do love Victorinox, and would definitely choose a Super Tinker over the Free T4. But I will say, the awl/screwdriver combo on the Leatherman is pretty great, and one of the most used tools when I carry my Free P2.
Thanks for including the endangered Swiza pocket-knife brand. The standard model, let alone the others, is impossible to buy, depending on your location. I suspect poor marketing and negative reviews since 2017, perhaps from Vic fans, killed Swiza's sales. It's a shame because Swiza, with its modern and ergonomic take, could have been a great Swiss EDC competitor with a design update or two. Sure, it's outpriced by Victorinox, but that's okay for Swiss-made goods without Victorinox's economies of scale and existing network (and goodwill). Jon, I love your balanced takes and analysis, especially from your long experience as an enthusiast, and very few UA-camrs like you actually worked in the EDC business with a leading brand. Could you check if Swiza plans to update its product line or expand its availability? P.S. Thanks for showing the Fox Vulpis. I didn't know about it.
Thanks for the kind comments and also the Super Thanks which is much appreciated. I did try to message the UK Swiza supplier when researching for the video but didn't get a response
@@JonGadget You're welcome! I'm happy you reached out to them for me! I've tried too, and it looks like both of us haven't had luck with Swiza queries. I guess that shows Swiza's marketing and distribution need some work. It would be sweet to get our hands on their one-handed versions. By the way, their knives are dishwasher-safe (it works!) and their scales are designed to be snapped off and on (that works too! Swapped out the red ones with blue ones). Thanks for pointing out that they Swiza does have a keyring loop in some models. I didn't know that. And I agree that their site is a nightmare to navigate. They should take note of Victorinox's own SAK search page.
the roxon also can be very easily disassembled - which means you can easily sharpen or tighten the scissors. It's also better to use with gloves than victorinox, and I'm planning on adding slots in the roxon's G10 scales to fit victorinox toothpick, pen, and more
I did not need a side-by-side comparison of Jon and Voldemort, but now that you've done it, there's no going back and the resemblance cannot be unseen.
Have you thought about the climber? Only 0.1 inches thicker and you get a second blade plus separate can and bottle opener. You can also upgrade the scales to get the pen and pin slots. For roughly the same cost in the end you have a dual blade compact that is just slightly thicker. Only thing lacking is the finger nail file on the hook.
It's not a bad shout - and you get the Awl as well.....I will have to compare side by side - I can't help feeling the can opener separate bottle opener is a waste of space though!
The Boker+ Tech Tools/Ruikes are good too and I was told they also had ex Wenger people involved with their designs. They're very well built with a more substantial blade though as a Walker/Hiker I found the Tech Tool 4 I own a lot heavier than an equivalent SAK so that gets the gig. Keep meaning to get a Swiza with the tick remover for walking and just because it's different than an SAK.
They are def more heavy duty - I prefer the Ruike (flatter scales) over the Boker which seem to be discontinuing the Tech Tool City range - and there's a mean set of tweezers in the Ruike! Heavy duty means heavy though.
Another plus for the victorinox is the range of aftermarket scales you can get for them as well as different coloured tweezers, toothpicks etc. They really can be customised to look different.
Nothing really beats it in terms of weight to performance to durability/hardiness to usefulness. Of course this is highly dependent on 'which' Victorinox tool you use. But overall it's lightweight, compact, durable and the tools are useful. My only complaint is that they aren't customizable but it makes sense because of the rivets in it. I just want an Alox Bantam with scissors, nothing more, nothing less :D. But until then a Victorinox Rambler will do :P
Would have loved to see a Ruike in the comparisons. They have three size ranges, and the larger size has an additional range with one hand opening and locking main blade
I got a Fox Vulpis. The sizing fills a niche left vacant since Victorinox discontinued its 74mm knives. Everything was excellent apart from the scissors - you were diplomatic about those, in my view they are crap. That kills the Vulpis for me as I must have good scissors. Found a couple of Vic Executives still in stock at a store in Malaysia instead, in case my current user gets lost or broken.
I don't understand, is it so hard and expensive to make a good scissors? Not so great as Vics have but nearly. Seems only Victorinox is able to produce good scissors on whole planet.
a brit who can edc lockers as i work in construction locking tools are necessary ive nicked myself dozens of times on non locking tools.however the gerber vice is always in my pocket my only issue is the fact the pliers can no longer be used as the tool now colapses
What about the James Brand multi tool that you did another video on? I was interested to hear how using that tool went for you. Thanks for the great content!
Great video and great selection, other knives that may be interesting to some are the Mercury Six use, or MKM equivalent for the fancy versions, both are brands from Maniago Italy, also good are the Boker Tech Tools. This is just a few in the modern swiss style multifunction knives, there's a whole other world of traditional style multifunction knives in the style of old scout knives. They are both my favourite types of knives in my collection. But yeah, in the end Victorinox always takes the crown, even if I carry one of the other knives I can't leave without my Victorinox Swisschamp, usually I have it and my Minichamp too for every day carry.
Yes I know, this video is not the newest one but I've discovered your UA-cam channel only recently so I comment only now. I really like your videos since I can find some ideas for my stuff and it also helps me practice my english. 😄 So thank you for this video, thanks to it I've finaly found the perfect edc multitool that fits MY needs : the Roxon KS2 Elite. In France (yes I'm a f*****g french, sorry) the law is very simple : you cannot carry any kind of blade in public places. That being said, the application of the law varies according to four factors : - is the blade easily reachable ? - is the blade fixed or easily openable ? - does the blade look aggressive ? - how nice is the policeman ? So why the Roxon KS2 Elite ? because I carry it inside its own pouch, inside a zipped pocket inside my backpack. Hence not easily reachable. Is it easily openable ? Yes, but only once you've managed to reach it. Does it look aggressive ? Certainly not, it looks more like a tool than a knife. Is the policeman nice ? Usualy he is but I have no control here. I also LOVE the fact that all the tools are lockable. Yes I'm that kind of guy who can close his blade on his fingers while working with it. Besides the Elite version offers two upgrades compared to the basic one you show in the video. The blade is made in D2 instead of 5cr15mov and there is an adapter for 4mm screw bits. Few screw bits are included too. As for the price I got it for 36 euros (without shipping fees) which means something about 30 pounds in UK or 39 US dollars at the time I write these lines. Once again thank you and keep it this way.
Thanks for the informative video Jon. It is hard to beat Victorinox on quality and pricing though there is always room for improvement. I keep wishing they would come out with a smaller plier based tool to compete with the Leatherman Style PS or slightly larger Skeletool as it is nice to have that capability. I also don't quite understand why other manufacturers seem to fail so miserably on scissors so much of the time. Surely these are not an engineering challenge, we're talking about an implement that's been around for three to four thousand years! C'mon guys! My other gripe, albeit a minor one is that the steel on Vic knives could be better. I know it is a secret blend but though easy to sharpen they will not readily hold and edge resulting in more sharpening and eventually less blade. At current prices I suppose that doesn't matter too much but I would still pay a premium for one with a slightly better blade steel. Finally the scale tools are sometimes underestimated but a Compact without them is well just not a Compact. If something came along that hit those combination of tools and accessories with slightly better materials I would be all in I think.
Not exactly a multi tool, but the French made opinel is my favourite pocket knife, very satisfying and timeless feeling to it (much like most of the victorinox models). I have an opinel with a carbon steel blade, I believe this is still an option.
I have Roxon KS2, I prefer it over any 2 layer Vics, just for the liner locks, and 5Cr are in the same ballpark as 1.4110 anyway. Locking mechanisms are the things that really seals the deal, because that fateful slipjoint moment will happen to Vic users sooner or later.
My EDC Victorinox Trekker - which has been carried so much for so long that the shield and cross logo is nearly worn off - has liner locks for the blade and one or two other tools. Other Victorinox models have liner locks, too. My Trekker is the old model - the blade is not one-hand opening (wouldn't mind if it were) and is not serrated (wouldn't own it if it were). The new model Trekker, to my knowledge, is only available with a fully serrated main blade. Blech. I have been eyeing a couple of the Ranger Grip models, lately and I believe they also have liner locks. All of those, including my Trekker, are in the longest size of Victorinox pocket knives. That is another reason I like them as it makes the blade and, even more so, the saw longer and more useful but if the longer size isn't for you then I am personally not aware of any of the shorter models with liner locks.
JG - Roxon listened to you. The new Roxon KS2 Elite upgrades the steel throughout and offers a bit kit to address the lack of flat head. For $38 US, it now competes very well with the $52 Fieldmaster. Frankly, I like it better.
I love the victorinox multitools, and I have one for every pair of pants and jackets :P BUT there's a big drawback, and that is one handed opening. I do own a Ranger that offers that functionality, but that tool is not for edc in my line of work. I have seen people do mods to make the knives open one handed, but I really think that is something victorinox should offer by now.
As much as I love SAks I recently switched to the Roxon KS2 Elite with d2 steel one-hand opening knife blade, the large scissors and included bit kit at about the same price as the super tinker.
I was hoping to see a comparison of the MKM Malga or Campo line. I do appreciate seeing the Vulpis comparison. I have been thinking about getting the Campo 8, but I am hoping it comes out in Magnacut, with the same toolset. I don't think anything will replace my Victorinox and Leatherman, for being my go to favorites, but a little diversity won't hurt. $150 is a little high, especially when the similar toolset of the Victorinox is a 3rd of the price. I love how Victorinox steel doesn't have bad corrosion issues, at least not as bad.
New to your channel, I can't imagine living in a country where a locking blade is evil. We (Texas) consider a locking blade a good safety feature, whether it be on a SAK or a Buck 110. I'm secure enough in my ego that my usual picket knife is a Camper, but I don't want the Guv'mint taking my Evolution S17. On the other hand firearm silencers, I believe y'all call them mufflers, are very restricted and taxed. Again, something that should be considered a safety feature is somehow vilified. I believe there were 43 people shot in Chicago this last weekend. I don't think any of those shootings involved silencers.
You should check the new range of swiss army style knives that MKM (Maniago Knife Makers) dropped, Magnacut blade, they're called Malga 6 and Campo 7. They're expensive but very well made and have some nice features.
Victorinox scissors precision is excellent. Even in the smallest form factors. I have an Alox money clip with pen knife blade, scissors, and nail file. The scissors work really well and can handle a variety of small task jobs.
Another option its sanrenmu WA742 A1/boker techo tool#7, I got mine since 2016 its a study tool with a sharp blade, saw, swisors, screwdriver, bottle opener, sharp awl, Glass breaker, and mini serrated blade with mini screwdriver ( almost lost my finger with this combo blade 😑) and tweezers
A few months back I bought a Whitby Kent+ which I really like, although the scissors wouldn't pass your scientific paracord test. I'd like to hear your comments on this.
I like Swiss Army knives I have a few, but they don’t have locking tools. I actually work in construction and work with tools everyday. A multi tool without locking tools is a no go. So I ordered the ROXON and I have a feeling it’s going to shit all over the sak and any gerber multi tool. I have a leatherman t2 which do have locking tools but there aren’t that many and they are rather short. Basically there is no perfect muti tool knife as of now. The tools are just too short.
Thank you for your creative content! Excellent video as per norm. Ever since watching your videos I've been carrying and purchasing Victorinox multi tools and absolutely love them. I am curious why the alox versions do not have slots for the tooth pick and tweezers. If they are stamping out the metal it seems natural to stamp the metal with slot openings for those two additional tools. I know it's not a deal breaker, but it would be nice to have.
Would the two layer Vulpis not even be more compareable to the Vic Bantam? The gap in price and functionalty would be even much bigger! I have several Bantams as Backups in different bags und locations.
I’d like a relatively thin multitool knife that incorporates an inline Phillips screwdriver. I don’t know why it can’t be made. The only ones that have it are like 5 layers thick. Way too thick!
John, can you make a video to clarify the UK knife law. I'm confused regarding the knife laws. I'm of the understanding you can't carry ANY penknife if the blade is fixed. I'm lost. Can you clarify?
Only thing I've seen better is the MKM Campo 8. The malga 6 looks nice too and I think fox do a stag handle version that looks like the same knife. Cheers 🍻
There is also the Campo 7. It has no saw and replaces the small blade with a fork. The blade steel is Magnacut and the scissors are actually pretty good. It has some issues and is really expensive, but overall a great option if blade steel is important for you.
125 years of experience, affordable if not cheap prices, proven design, metallurgy, function, fashion, reputation, appreciation....no. I'd would say they can't be beat.
Metallurgy? I agree with your other points, but there are other makers that offer better steel than victorinox
@@alaskatosweden9942 Show me three incidents of Victorinox knives that have rust. That have springs fail. That have tools snap due to poor heat treating. They aren't the highest hardness steels, but they have mastered an affordable, serviceable, maintenance-free, will-need-to-be-sharpened-with-use, knife.
@@alaskatosweden9942I was just about to say the same thing. Wtf.
Admittedly not neutral (although. Swiss…) , Victorinox refused to use fancy delicate steel over a refined set of different steel types for blades and tools. These selected steels holding up well, are flexible enough not to break - and also not breaking my bank.
@@tomstock9546only annoying thing is that they don’t really have a good warranty like goattools
Here in Vietnam, the Roxon KS2E( with upgraded D2 steel blade) cost ~17USD, the Fieldmaster cost ~37USD. There is just no comparison with that price difference. And even more, the Roxon included a 4mm bit drivers set, something Victorinox keep in their more expensive Cybertool lines. I have not used many multitools but the KS2E clip feels quite sturdy, compared to Victornox SAKs which don't even have that? The availability and qualities might be enough to tip the scale to Victorinox's favor in the UK, here, the closest competitor in that price range is either Sportman or Spartan.
Victorinox is such good value. The only multitool slot I don’t have a Vic in is the heavy duty slot which goes to the Leatherman Surge. At every other weight / size level the Vic is just hard to beat.
I bought my first Victorinox Swiss Army knife nearly 36 years ago. I carried that knife up until about 3 years ago when somebody just dropped it in their pocket and walked away. I remember paying well over $80 for that knife. Sad to say, I've never found another Swiss army knife that I thought was the same quality I had. That knife took a beating over the years and still looked as good as it did when I bought it.
Great to have a Jon Gadget segment to escape reality for 20 minutes ❤
Hard to believe recent events 😔
If Victorinox brings back the Yeoman, it would blow all of these out of the water.
As you rightly said, there are reasons why Victorinox are the market leaders, by a country mile!
Their knives have the basis of simplicity and the highest quality anywhere, consistently!
Great video!
To me Victorinox has by far the best design of any of these. They are easy to carry and are intuitive. I would say they are one of the best knives ever invented.
@@1114gabby Agreed!
However, it's not just the design. Their knives are also superbly manufactured and presented.
Their policy of not pandering to "innovations" of other knifemakers, and rather sticking with their own designs and innovations has led to their market-leader status.
OH MAN! this is SOOO GOOD!!! nice job Jon!
Thanks Dom. There’s lots I didn’t have time to include!
My SAKs may not be technically the best knives in my collection, but ill never be without one.
Which is ur most carried
I always smile when I see an Jon gadget video in my recommend, brilliant video Jon, thanks
thanks 😊
Glad to know that I've been carrying the best for over 40 years and that it remains so - thank you.
Hi Jonathan, thank you for the review and comparisons. I find Victorinox classic in their design, excellent form factor and functionality, and great value for any of their products. I own several different knives. Based on one of your recent reviews I bought a Cybertool and find it absolutely incredible. Thanks again for you reviews, I also feel well informed after watching your reviews!
Thanks again,
Carl in the United States
Thank you for the kind words
Ngl, I was almost a victorinox hater for years. I own a leatherman t4 that I used for a long time. I decided to try a victorinox for the first time a few months ago, and I haven't looked back. I'm rocking a pioneer x and it's been my edc since I got it.
great choice 👍
I am a new subscriber and just love Jon and his channel... I have been binge watching and so happy to see a new upload! I had no idea about the world of EDC ... I happened upon this channel because it ended up in my yt feed one day out of nowhere.. I am so glad I clicked on the video...
Welcome to the EDC world. Deciding if you are carrying for convenience, necessity, emergency, or pleasure will help you from over loading your pockets which is very easy to do when you first start out. Good Luck!🇨🇦
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Welcome to the channel and the world of EDC - thanks for the kind comment 😊
Well I have carried a Victorinox of one kind or another for 50 years now ,since I was given my first aged 10.They have never given me a problem and I am rather relieved to see that they are still holding there own .Another great video Sir always informative and interesting to watch but I doubt I will be swapping my SAK for anything else anytime soon ,if I were any more attached to these particular knives with there various forms and functions I would need them surgically removed ,but as always your opinion is greatly appreciated and valued .Thank you .
Aw. I was really hoping the Fox Vulpis had good scissors because I love the idea of an in between for the normal and mini sized Victorinox scales and it would be nice to have the carbon fiber scale option without having to look for and deal with after market options.
I was too! It still feels very nice and well made and the scissors do work - just hard to compete with Vic scissors
Victorinox also has a 84mm range of models, including the Evolution.
Heard good things about Ruike multitools, but honestly, I have tried to beat the compact for a logn time. I spent years trying to find something "better" than my compact, but I have given up. I truly think it is the perfect EDC tool for the majority of people. Every alternative gives something up, and it's usually the eyeglasses driver (which is a must for me).
Love this channel! Your videos on the compact are a great reminder of why I don't need to seek an alternative, you've done it for me, and the result speaks for itself.
The compact does not have the Vic's awl (which has a cutting edge). This means you can't cut ''dirty things'' with any tool in the back of the knife. So it's difficult to keep the main blade clean enough to eat, and that's a problem to me.
Thanks for the kind feedback - I'm always looking too as you know! Ruike are very good I plan to feature one soon - great tweezers!
Vic could improve on the Compact but seem to have lost interest in the market that got them to where they are!
@@tm2bow653 I've carried a small utility knife in the past to use on non food safe materials to combat the single blade issue, it works okay. Actually the manual OTF KatanaX from CRKT seems like a good option, as it locks and is 1 hand operable.
@@tm2bow653 Imagine a Compact with an awl instead of the hook. Or a Phillips instead of the corkscrew aka a Compact Tinker. It’s a shame that there is only one 2 layer SAK with scissors.
I have a leatherman T4. Whilst it's a nicely made peice of kit I just can't fall in love with it. I've considered selling it a few times but then as soon as i pick it up I appreciate how chunky and solid it is and want to keep it again...
I know what you mean
I bought an EvoGrip 14 a few years ago because it has some Wenger DNA and that was my favorite brand of knife for many years owned many model along with Victorinox knives.
I have owned many of the plier type multitools now that I'm retired no longer doing mechanical and media work I don't need anything heavy.
They may be better or cheaper knives but SAK just work and are nice to use.
Very good video as always, but I am very surprised you did not compare the MKM Campo in this. I recently replaced my Super Tinker with the Campo and have been very impressed with it.
I've heard mixed reviews but will def check it out
I also got one and it didn’t replace my Super Tinker. The blade on the MKM is better and the scissors are actually pretty good. But they are some serious downsides. If I tighten the screws, I can’t open the bottle opener without destroying my fingernails and if I loosen them, there is blade play. The scissors are a bit hard to open, the fork and can opener are pretty much useless for me and the whole tool smells awful. It’s hard to compete with Victorinox and a better blade steel is just not enough for me.
The best competitor to SAKs was the Leatherman Juice Line. Too bad they're discontinued...
My absolute favorite size of Victorinox knives is the 58mil. I love having a minichamp on my keys, and I've had it on there for 3 years
I ordered myself a 91mm Tinker after all of your reviews as I think it checks all the boxes for what I was looking for in an EDC multi-tool. Thank you! :)
Huntsman is better.
Glad it worked out - there's pretty much one for everyone
You are really missing out on the scissors, Victorinox has the best ones.
I have the swiza with the comb and the tick tool for grooming my cat when he comes in from outside. Works great.
Get your cat their own Swiss knife!
I've carried a Victorinox nearly every day for over 40 years. Tried lots of other knives and multi-tools over the years, but I always went back to carrying a Victorinox. In fact, I never really stopped; there was always a Classic on my keys.
I'm sure the company philosophy and how they treat their employees helps maintain their high quality.
I won't say they will Never be beaten. But i still have my 1st knife, about 35 years. Still works, still sharp. Rarely maintained.
So let's just say they are REALLY good.
Also: check mr felix imler who demonstrates like a 1000+ more uses, mods etc. He is awesome.
Was Great to bump into you at the Sharp Show (guy with the A6 bottle) you since made me buy the Rovyvon a2 :)
Was good to meet you too - thanks for saying 'Hi'
I like the look of the Swiza, but that scissor situation is a deal breaker! Nice video, I like all the comparison pieces.
I have never looked for scissors in a pocket knife after I started carrying the Fiskars Classic Folding Scissors in my keychain. Wins 100-0
Yep - that killed it for me too!
I recently found a lovely Victorinox an ex left at my place twenty years ago and I absolutely love it! It’s a big old thing but with all the mods that are available now I’m kitting it out with new scales with pocket clip and spaces for flint, tweezers and tooth pick or whatever I choose.
I have a Leatherman Crunch, Skeletool and Micra but all together they’re not as useful as the Vic in the pocket, the only really useful thing missing is the mod I did on the Skeletool for a hammer.
I’ve had a few Vic’s in my youth and overlooked all of them as they seemed pretty ubiquitous in the UK compared to Leatherman’s but with age and experience Vic’s truly are solid EDC’s now.
One thing I find Leatherman does better than Victorinox is the pliers-style multitool. Particularly the Wave.
Great video Jon. Some worthy competitors for Victorinox - almost getting there. You can see why Victorinox are the best sellers though. I have never found a bad one and I strongly believe there is a victorinox knife out there to suit everyone...
The manager would suit me, but they discontinued it. The mini champ would also suit me if the tool set was refined and logical.
@@Skobeloff... I have carried the Midnite Manager almost everyday day for a year now. I use it every day it's in my pocket sometimes several times a day. It's a great mini multitool.
@@MB_EDC I don't doubt it, I just think the battery would go flat before I used the light, so I would rather not have it and not pay for it.
@@Skobeloff... it uses a small button battery that is replaceable. I have not changed the battery yet. I think it helps that the light only stays on if you hold down the shield button. I have the olight i3E EOS on my keychain that I probably use more than the light on the MM.
@@MB_EDC I bought the Lumintop EDC01 (very similar size to the i3E) but decided that it was too bulky for my keyring, so I removed it and if need be will just use my phone light.
Roxon and Leatherman have some good innovation I would love to see in SAKs. Button tool pop out is awesome. Locking levers definite plus. Easy to grab main blades. And the swiza is SAK with just the right amount of modification to make it so much more useful.
Thank you Jon for reviewing j’te Fox Vulpis 4. I bought the Titanium version and love it very much. The M390 is very sharp and the scissors are working well also. This is a great size that doesn’t take much room in the pocket. Keep the great work!
you are the supperbe one.
i agree that vic are unbeatable but other companies should keep working on it
I watched an interview with Carl Elsener as part of a How it’s Made program. During it he described a pocket knife as a friend. With that attitude, you know that you will be purchasing a long lived quality product.
Love my Huntsman. A little bigger, but has all the right tools for me. Even better since I added eyeglass screwdriver and replaced toothpick with ferro rod!
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY
There is the Rambler which has a surprisingly capable Philips for its size. Also the Explorer which is four layers and the Spartan lite which is 3.
I have the same setup. Had it since 1975. 😊.
Great video as always! This is the comparison we needed. I'll stick to my Vic. 👍
Really helpful video again Jon - keep up the good work.
You have shown again why leatherman to me come close , but for what I need to have at hand victorinox all the way 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I do love Victorinox, and would definitely choose a Super Tinker over the Free T4. But I will say, the awl/screwdriver combo on the Leatherman is pretty great, and one of the most used tools when I carry my Free P2.
Interesting feedback, I have to say though I prefer the new awl in the Arc
I love the Victorinox Alox.I carry a Cadet everyday and loads of others, they are just a bit more rugged than the plastic SAK.
The parcel hook sounds about 50 years past it's usefulness
Just got the classic SD Allox in minty mint, it's very pretty.
Thanks for including the endangered Swiza pocket-knife brand. The standard model, let alone the others, is impossible to buy, depending on your location. I suspect poor marketing and negative reviews since 2017, perhaps from Vic fans, killed Swiza's sales. It's a shame because Swiza, with its modern and ergonomic take, could have been a great Swiss EDC competitor with a design update or two.
Sure, it's outpriced by Victorinox, but that's okay for Swiss-made goods without Victorinox's economies of scale and existing network (and goodwill).
Jon, I love your balanced takes and analysis, especially from your long experience as an enthusiast, and very few UA-camrs like you actually worked in the EDC business with a leading brand.
Could you check if Swiza plans to update its product line or expand its availability?
P.S. Thanks for showing the Fox Vulpis. I didn't know about it.
Thanks for the kind comments and also the Super Thanks which is much appreciated. I did try to message the UK Swiza supplier when researching for the video but didn't get a response
@@JonGadget You're welcome!
I'm happy you reached out to them for me! I've tried too, and it looks like both of us haven't had luck with Swiza queries. I guess that shows Swiza's marketing and distribution need some work.
It would be sweet to get our hands on their one-handed versions. By the way, their knives are dishwasher-safe (it works!) and their scales are designed to be snapped off and on (that works too! Swapped out the red ones with blue ones).
Thanks for pointing out that they Swiza does have a keyring loop in some models. I didn't know that. And I agree that their site is a nightmare to navigate. They should take note of Victorinox's own SAK search page.
Yes, they need to sort a few things - no doubt!
the roxon also can be very easily disassembled - which means you can easily sharpen or tighten the scissors. It's also better to use with gloves than victorinox, and I'm planning on adding slots in the roxon's G10 scales to fit victorinox toothpick, pen, and more
thanks for sharing 👍
The Roxon looked pretty legit. The file is plenty long enough to debut metal.
Alox Cadet X is what I most want from Victorinox.
Great reviews. Thanks
I did not need a side-by-side comparison of Jon and Voldemort, but now that you've done it, there's no going back and the resemblance cannot be unseen.
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On the Swiza there is a problem with the closed tools when you use it they is giving hotspot problems.
Have you thought about the climber? Only 0.1 inches thicker and you get a second blade plus separate can and bottle opener. You can also upgrade the scales to get the pen and pin slots. For roughly the same cost in the end you have a dual blade compact that is just slightly thicker. Only thing lacking is the finger nail file on the hook.
It's not a bad shout - and you get the Awl as well.....I will have to compare side by side - I can't help feeling the can opener separate bottle opener is a waste of space though!
The Boker+ Tech Tools/Ruikes are good too and I was told they also had ex Wenger people involved with their designs. They're very well built with a more substantial blade though as a Walker/Hiker I found the Tech Tool 4 I own a lot heavier than an equivalent SAK so that gets the gig. Keep meaning to get a Swiza with the tick remover for walking and just because it's different than an SAK.
The ruike knife have thicker tools and steel liners which makes them quite heavy.
They are def more heavy duty - I prefer the Ruike (flatter scales) over the Boker which seem to be discontinuing the Tech Tool City range - and there's a mean set of tweezers in the Ruike! Heavy duty means heavy though.
The victorinox scissors are unreal I use mine so much and carry my huntsman with fireant everyday.
Another plus for the victorinox is the range of aftermarket scales you can get for them as well as different coloured tweezers, toothpicks etc. They really can be customised to look different.
true 👍
Nothing really beats it in terms of weight to performance to durability/hardiness to usefulness. Of course this is highly dependent on 'which' Victorinox tool you use. But overall it's lightweight, compact, durable and the tools are useful. My only complaint is that they aren't customizable but it makes sense because of the rivets in it. I just want an Alox Bantam with scissors, nothing more, nothing less :D. But until then a Victorinox Rambler will do :P
You can customise them, even though it takes a bit of skill and time.
Would have loved to see a Ruike in the comparisons. They have three size ranges, and the larger size has an additional range with one hand opening and locking main blade
Ruike featured in content that followed this 👍
I got a Fox Vulpis. The sizing fills a niche left vacant since Victorinox discontinued its 74mm knives. Everything was excellent apart from the scissors - you were diplomatic about those, in my view they are crap. That kills the Vulpis for me as I must have good scissors. Found a couple of Vic Executives still in stock at a store in Malaysia instead, in case my current user gets lost or broken.
great feedback - scissors killed it for me too
I don't understand, is it so hard and expensive to make a good scissors? Not so great as Vics have but nearly. Seems only Victorinox is able to produce good scissors on whole planet.
The Boker tech tools are definitely worth a look
they seem to be getting discontinued - but check out Ruike - a nicer version of the Boker with lots more choice - will feature in future video
Already have a couple of them...have far too much EDC!
a brit who can edc lockers as i work in construction locking tools are necessary ive nicked myself dozens of times on non locking tools.however the gerber vice is always in my pocket my only issue is the fact the pliers can no longer be used as the tool now colapses
What about the James Brand multi tool that you did another video on? I was interested to hear how using that tool went for you. Thanks for the great content!
I did a follow-up video on that one!
My EDC is pre SD Classic, I have Swiss Champion from 1979 for when I might need more
Great video and great selection, other knives that may be interesting to some are the Mercury Six use, or MKM equivalent for the fancy versions, both are brands from Maniago Italy, also good are the Boker Tech Tools. This is just a few in the modern swiss style multifunction knives, there's a whole other world of traditional style multifunction knives in the style of old scout knives. They are both my favourite types of knives in my collection. But yeah, in the end Victorinox always takes the crown, even if I carry one of the other knives I can't leave without my Victorinox Swisschamp, usually I have it and my Minichamp too for every day carry.
Great vid as as Always
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The Victorinox Equestrian has the hoof cleaner tool as well.
true!
Yes I know, this video is not the newest one but I've discovered your UA-cam channel only recently so I comment only now.
I really like your videos since I can find some ideas for my stuff and it also helps me practice my english. 😄
So thank you for this video, thanks to it I've finaly found the perfect edc multitool that fits MY needs : the Roxon KS2 Elite.
In France (yes I'm a f*****g french, sorry) the law is very simple : you cannot carry any kind of blade in public places.
That being said, the application of the law varies according to four factors :
- is the blade easily reachable ?
- is the blade fixed or easily openable ?
- does the blade look aggressive ?
- how nice is the policeman ?
So why the Roxon KS2 Elite ? because I carry it inside its own pouch, inside a zipped pocket inside my backpack. Hence not easily reachable.
Is it easily openable ? Yes, but only once you've managed to reach it.
Does it look aggressive ? Certainly not, it looks more like a tool than a knife.
Is the policeman nice ? Usualy he is but I have no control here.
I also LOVE the fact that all the tools are lockable. Yes I'm that kind of guy who can close his blade on his fingers while working with it.
Besides the Elite version offers two upgrades compared to the basic one you show in the video. The blade is made in D2 instead of 5cr15mov and there is an adapter for 4mm screw bits. Few screw bits are included too.
As for the price I got it for 36 euros (without shipping fees) which means something about 30 pounds in UK or 39 US dollars at the time I write these lines.
Once again thank you and keep it this way.
Thanks for the informative video Jon.
It is hard to beat Victorinox on quality and pricing though there is always room for improvement. I keep wishing they would come out with a smaller plier based tool to compete with the Leatherman Style PS or slightly larger Skeletool as it is nice to have that capability. I also don't quite understand why other manufacturers seem to fail so miserably on scissors so much of the time. Surely these are not an engineering challenge, we're talking about an implement that's been around for three to four thousand years! C'mon guys!
My other gripe, albeit a minor one is that the steel on Vic knives could be better. I know it is a secret blend but though easy to sharpen they will not readily hold and edge resulting in more sharpening and eventually less blade. At current prices I suppose that doesn't matter too much but I would still pay a premium for one with a slightly better blade steel.
Finally the scale tools are sometimes underestimated but a Compact without them is well just not a Compact. If something came along that hit those combination of tools and accessories with slightly better materials I would be all in I think.
Great feedback as always. There is a lot Vic could do but they seem to be sleeping when it comes to SAK innovation and development unfortunately.
Not exactly a multi tool, but the French made opinel is my favourite pocket knife, very satisfying and timeless feeling to it (much like most of the victorinox models). I have an opinel with a carbon steel blade, I believe this is still an option.
Great video, I hace a lot of Victorinox sak but always end using a free t4 or free p2
I like both - check out the Arc if you have the funds
@@JonGadget I like it, but can not expend what it costs.
Anyway I have de P2, so don't need it
Thanks for answer
I have Roxon KS2, I prefer it over any 2 layer Vics, just for the liner locks, and 5Cr are in the same ballpark as 1.4110 anyway. Locking mechanisms are the things that really seals the deal, because that fateful slipjoint moment will happen to Vic users sooner or later.
My EDC Victorinox Trekker - which has been carried so much for so long that the shield and cross logo is nearly worn off - has liner locks for the blade and one or two other tools. Other Victorinox models have liner locks, too. My Trekker is the old model - the blade is not one-hand opening (wouldn't mind if it were) and is not serrated (wouldn't own it if it were). The new model Trekker, to my knowledge, is only available with a fully serrated main blade. Blech. I have been eyeing a couple of the Ranger Grip models, lately and I believe they also have liner locks. All of those, including my Trekker, are in the longest size of Victorinox pocket knives. That is another reason I like them as it makes the blade and, even more so, the saw longer and more useful but if the longer size isn't for you then I am personally not aware of any of the shorter models with liner locks.
There is a KS2 Deluxe with D2 steel on the blade and bit kit out now.
JG - Roxon listened to you. The new Roxon KS2 Elite upgrades the steel throughout and offers a bit kit to address the lack of flat head. For $38 US, it now competes very well with the $52 Fieldmaster. Frankly, I like it better.
I love the victorinox multitools, and I have one for every pair of pants and jackets :P BUT there's a big drawback, and that is one handed opening. I do own a Ranger that offers that functionality, but that tool is not for edc in my line of work. I have seen people do mods to make the knives open one handed, but I really think that is something victorinox should offer by now.
You can't carry locking blades in the UK? What's going on over there?
As much as I love SAks I recently switched to the Roxon KS2 Elite with d2 steel one-hand opening knife blade, the large scissors and included bit kit at about the same price as the super tinker.
I was hoping to see a comparison of the MKM Malga or Campo line. I do appreciate seeing the Vulpis comparison. I have been thinking about getting the Campo 8, but I am hoping it comes out in Magnacut, with the same toolset. I don't think anything will replace my Victorinox and Leatherman, for being my go to favorites, but a little diversity won't hurt. $150 is a little high, especially when the similar toolset of the Victorinox is a 3rd of the price. I love how Victorinox steel doesn't have bad corrosion issues, at least not as bad.
Nexttool Mini sailor would have been a good one for this video. As it's a decent small multitool.
true - there's a few I could have added but didn't want to overrun
I bought a cybertool M and for the price i really couldn’t find a multitool that could beat it
I love the Roxon KS2 Elite. its got upgraded D2 blade steel and a set of 9 bits with an adapter. only $38
Next round Ruike Trekker LD41, Boker tech tool and Mikov NUZ 100-NH-6 AK/DEW etc. Nice video !
I wish the Fox had a two layer version with scissors. That is my dream knife!
yes - scissors could be better though!
New to your channel, I can't imagine living in a country where a locking blade is evil. We (Texas) consider a locking blade a good safety feature, whether it be on a SAK or a Buck 110. I'm secure enough in my ego that my usual picket knife is a Camper, but I don't want the Guv'mint taking my Evolution S17. On the other hand firearm silencers, I believe y'all call them mufflers, are very restricted and taxed. Again, something that should be considered a safety feature is somehow vilified. I believe there were 43 people shot in Chicago this last weekend. I don't think any of those shootings involved silencers.
Nice video. The last multitool you should compare with 84mm Victorinox. Is more similar lenght.
true - but those scissors where the problem not really the size
I just wist Victorinox would start a line with more premium steels for the blades. CPM154 or S30V for $15 to $20 more woukd be amazing.
I agree - but with so many options it would be tricker to know where to put it!
You should check the new range of swiss army style knives that MKM (Maniago Knife Makers) dropped, Magnacut blade, they're called Malga 6 and Campo 7. They're expensive but very well made and have some nice features.
Can you get the 84mm victorinox in England?
yes
Why no ruike? I’m thinking of picking one up because they make the tool sets I like on a knife without extra clutter
Great option - some Ruike stuff coming soon
Looking forward to it!
Victorinox is still the best, especially the scissors.
Victorinox scissors precision is excellent. Even in the smallest form factors. I have an Alox money clip with pen knife blade, scissors, and nail file. The scissors work really well and can handle a variety of small task jobs.
What about the James Brand multi tools? Weren’t you carrying one for a while?
Yes, I did a follow up video on that one about 3 months later
Another option its sanrenmu WA742 A1/boker techo tool#7, I got mine since 2016 its a study tool with a sharp blade, saw, swisors, screwdriver, bottle opener, sharp awl, Glass breaker, and mini serrated blade with mini screwdriver ( almost lost my finger with this combo blade 😑) and tweezers
My favorite is my Wenger! And my SPYERCO ats-55 🥰
A few months back I bought a Whitby Kent+ which I really like, although the scissors wouldn't pass your scientific paracord test. I'd like to hear your comments on this.
I like to tool selection - the price is on a par - I guess it's down to quality - but I haven't held one so hard to comment
I like Swiss Army knives I have a few, but they don’t have locking tools. I actually work in construction and work with tools everyday. A multi tool without locking tools is a no go. So I ordered the ROXON and I have a feeling it’s going to shit all over the sak and any gerber multi tool. I have a leatherman t2 which do have locking tools but there aren’t that many and they are rather short. Basically there is no perfect muti tool knife as of now. The tools are just too short.
Thank you for your creative content! Excellent video as per norm. Ever since watching your videos I've been carrying and purchasing Victorinox multi tools and absolutely love them.
I am curious why the alox versions do not have slots for the tooth pick and tweezers. If they are stamping out the metal it seems natural to stamp the metal with slot openings for those two additional tools. I know it's not a deal breaker, but it would be nice to have.
No space for them Chris, Alox scales are too thin.
Would the two layer Vulpis not even be more compareable to the Vic Bantam? The gap in price and functionalty would be even much bigger! I have several Bantams as Backups in different bags und locations.
Possibly. Although Bantam is single layer.
great video!
The Swiza looks nice, but they don’t ship internationally and there isn’t a uk dealer listed on their website. ( How did you get yours Jon ?)
I’d like a relatively thin multitool knife that incorporates an inline Phillips screwdriver. I don’t know why it can’t be made. The only ones that have it are like 5 layers thick. Way too thick!
Check the victorinox Scientist.
Could you review the medford ask knife?
I'd like to - super expensive though!
John, can you make a video to clarify the UK knife law. I'm confused regarding the knife laws. I'm of the understanding you can't carry ANY penknife if the blade is fixed. I'm lost. Can you clarify?
MKM makes a few versions of the victorianox style. They are pretty good but expensive.
yes with Magnacut option it seems - some questions over fit and finish though
this is a very solid review
Diehard Victorinox fan here. Real men carry the Swiss Champ.
Only thing I've seen better is the MKM Campo 8.
The malga 6 looks nice too and I think fox do a stag handle version that looks like the same knife.
Cheers 🍻
There is also the Campo 7. It has no saw and replaces the small blade with a fork. The blade steel is Magnacut and the scissors are actually pretty good. It has some issues and is really expensive, but overall a great option if blade steel is important for you.
yes - it is expensive though and there have been some questions over fit and finish - hard to know where to stop for manageable video length!