Original DJI Avata VS Axisflying Avata 3.5" | Performance Comparison
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Performance Comparison between the Original DJI Avata VS Axisflying Avata 3.5" on size, weight, sound, speed, flight time, yaw washout, and stability. Findings as follows:
Size:
The larger 3.5" frame kit upgrade (as opposed to Avata's original 3.0") is intended to achieve greater flying balance to mitigate Avata's heavier-than-typical-cinewhoops problem. Also, the structure of the frame kit is thinner which seems to allow more air flow for a more efficient flight, simultaneously not compromising its durability with its carbon fiber material.
Weight:
On first glance it's a throw-off that the overall upgrade is heavier. However the weight increase is also an upgrade from 3.0" to 3.5", which otherwise would have been much heavier if similar ratio of the dji's original material was used for 3.5". But fear not, the slight increase in weight is OVERWHELMINGLY mitigated by the upgraded C157-2 Motors.
Sound:
Needless to say. I had to always volume down when the original Avata screams.
Speed:
Speed of Normal and Sport modes are consistent as per the original Avata, due to being restricted by the ESC configuration. Things feel very differently the moment u switch to Manual mode, the motors are more powerful now, e.g. I needed full throttle back then to recover from Split-S; whereas half throttle is sufficient now. I believe it can easily go beyond 100km/h now if needed. Also, Don't need to worry too much of the 'Motor Overloaded' warning message since it is Avata's interpretation assuming it is still using the original motors. Such warning sign also appears in Axisflying's own testing ( • Axisflying upgrade AVA... ).
Flight Time:
I have divided into 2 separate tests, ie "chillax" and "violent" styles. The Chillax flight gives full 12 minutes whereas flying violently would give around 8 minutes. Based on my "un-scientific" survey of other Avata users, the average flight time of the original Avata in Manual mode ranges from 6 to 14 minutes depending how "freestyles" you fly it. With that said, neither pre- or post-upgrade has shown significant superiority over the others in terms of flight tome. However I'd give it to post-upgrade considering it is heavier and yet it manages flight time remarkably.
Yaw Washout Issue:
Probanly one of the main reasons why Avata users may upgrade to Axisflying. The Yaw washout issue has been a pain in the butt despite with the latest firmware updates. The issue mainly derived from the hardware than software, which Axisflying mitigates it with greater stability using larger frame kit and more powerful motors. The result is pretty noticeable after upgrading.
Stability:
Similar to the 'Yaw Washout' test, the original Avata tends to shake or tremble when trying to recover from freestyle maneuvers, which Axisflying minimises 90% of the problems, making the whole flight experience much better without ruining any cinematic footages.
Extra Findings:
Something that wasn't planned to be included in this video. When switching to Manual mode, the upgraded Avata immediately ascents above, proving that with the same amount of throttle level, Axisflying's motors are much powerful compared to the original motors.
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For Pilots interested to upgrade their Avata into Axisflying Avata 3.5", kindly contact DroneForSpeed at:
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timestamp:
00:00 Introduction
00:13 Size
00:26 Weight
00:39 Sound
01:15 Speed
02:12 Flight Time (Chillax)
03:05 Flight Time (Violent)
04:08 Yaw Washout
05:24 Stability
06:39 Extra Findings
My "unscientific" performance comparison between Original Avata vs Axisflying Avata 3.5". Overall findings are elaborated in the description.
For Pilots in Malaysia interested to upgrade their Avata into Axisflying Avata 3.5", feel free to contact DroneForSpeed at instagram.com/droneforspeed/
The sound alone is enough for me.
Excellent, informational video. Good to see in not the only one with stick calibration error messages.
the best testing what i am waiting for. thank you for it🙏🙏✌️
Thanks bro! Appreciate it.
Dji should have released the drone like this. Great comparison, I especially liked the sound and the yaw wash out test. Thank you!
Thanks bro appreciate your feedbacks! 😊
Thanks a lot for this test ! :D
No problem!
Great test thanks you
Thanks for information 👍
merci pour la vidéo...top test
Great review. Thx
thanks! feel free to subscribe bro! 😁
would be also interesting comparison of slow precise flight. how it handles low speed stability hover in manual mode, for indoors flying
Thanks for sharing sir..nice
Thanks!
Thanks
Another reviewer showed the standard Avata has a higher top speed in manual than the modified Avata. The modded Avatar however definitely has more acceleration and control in tight manoeuvres. The bigger propellers also mean the guard rings come into view more frequently than the standard Avata. I believe the Axis mod will best suit those wanting a more freestyle acrobatic capable FPV. Those less concerned with outright acrobatics and wanting more cinematic footage might be happy with standard Avata. The lower noise with the Axial upgrade is definitely a plus to avoid unwanted confrontations. Have only owned it for a week, so may purchase Axial kit in 6 months. Someone was also talking about redesigning the Axial frame to move the gimbal further forward in front of the propellers.
I’m thinking of doing this but I was wondering if I could spray the Avata Musou Black and if it would affect the handing in any way
Thank you ! great comparison.. I use Avata in some of my work . With the 3.5 upgrade do you see props in view while recording in " N " and " S " mode ? How did you program to take off in " M " mode ?
No problem bro! In N and S Modes occasionally u will see the prop guard in slower speed.
Programming into M mode is the same as usual
I made the modifications to my avata, but when trying to fly it doesn't take off, I think it's because I don't know how to put the ellipses correctly, any suggestions?
Super test Dziękuję . Po Twoim filmie od razu przerobiłem avataę . mega się teraz lata . Nie wywala z trybu manualnego do normalnego .
Does anyone know what factors that make it fly loud or silent ?
In this case, why bigger props and stronger motor even make it quiter ?
So…. Where do we get your product, and how is it installed?
Whats the comparison with a full size go pro on top??! That would be super helpful if the 3.5 can carry a full size go pro
Great comparison, the upgrade really fixes the noise. Do you see the prop guards in the on-board video much after the upgrade?
If flying in normal mode the prop guard will appear in frame, but with gyroflow usually it is cropped out.
Sound better :D
How does chillax mode compare to stock? You showed all the times with the 3.5 kit but no comparison to the stock avata
Great review bro. Planning to get the Avata within the next couple of months. It does appear from your test that owners of the Axisflying package derive the most benefits from Manual mode, otherwise Sport & Normal modes are essentially the same on the modded unit vis-a-vis the stock Avata. tofu#10 FPV did a battery test on his channel with an Axisflying Avata & Unmodded Avata chasing each other on a circular track. The Axisflying appears to drain the battery slightly more but the differences are minimal. The thing I am interested is how much those C157 motors will help in windy conditions as the stock Avata can be susceptible to strong gusts. Also, are you using ham file FCC mod ?
Yeap it benefits the most under manual mode, and yes battery does drain slightly more but rather unnoticeable. Regarding flying against strong winds, I have yet to do enough testing to verify that but will take note on that! Thanks for your extensive feedbacks!
@@HappyDrone89 I built fixed wing and multicopter planes a long time ago and I can in theory tell you. For stock, at low windspeed the Avata handles okay, the AF also handles okay. For medium windspeed the Avata handles it okay but high battery drain to maintain position, the AF handles it okay but medium battery drain to maintain position. For high windspeed, the Avata struggles and would tilt too much to maintain position and high battery drain, the AF would tilt less than Avata and medium-high battery drain, but the positioning would not be as responsive or accurate as the Avata (this is probably due to the PID and other settings are only optimised for the Avata and knows nothing about the upgraded AF motors. If optimised for AF, for example, motor load is more correct, the AF would be perfect). Basically, lower kv and wider propellers means better thrust ratio, but maximum speed/responsiveness might be reduced.
@dingdongchingchong8659 thank you for your comprehensive and constructive user feedback of AF Avata! ☺️🙏👍
great glass i'm from brazil tell me flying calm can you improve the autonomy that originals?
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Hello, I want to buy the kit for my AVATA, but I’m from Brazil, I have a little difficulty translating the lines, but I read better with the writing. How was the USB input and the SD input? Was it worth the modification? Can you answer me here?
I had someone else to do the modification actually hence I am not an expert in this, u may search Axisflying official tutorial on YT teaching the modification.
I'm new with fpv and I just bought avata since December 2022 I fly in simulator about 30-40 hours before I decide to try my skill in real life and I totally failed for take-off in manual mode because the drone is automatically descend it self.
At the end of this video I saw 157-2 not have any decent problem I think this means a lot for newbie like me because it makes manual take-off look more easily to control
Yes it does, I have attempted many time the drone will iust rise up with the new motor! 😁
I have Avata since May 2023 and my simulator flight time was less than 6 hours when I tried manual mode and it has been working great for me. I'd suggest you to work on the stick control game.
Sorry I'm not very good with technical issues of fpv drones, I would like to install the new configuration to make my avatar go faster in normal and sport mode. I haven't learned the manual mode yet. is it possible to do this or does it increase the speed only in manual? Thank you
Yeap as shown in the video, normal and Sport modes are not affected in terms of speed, only manual mode is affected with greater power output
Thank you for the comparison video. I'd like to buy it, too. Doesn't the battery run out quickly?👍
Thanks bro! yea the battery drains slightly faster but not noticeable
Battery drain is because of larger propellers and heavier motors, more torque is needed to drive them, This higher torque requirement means, i.e lower kv needed to tolerate and maintain response and flow for larger propellers. otherwise if using stock motors can over heat or skip/clog motor basically damaging them. It can also confuse ESC.
Have you changed the motors too? or are those the stock ones?
Nevertheless the bigger frame seems like a great upgrade!
Changed the motor to axiflying c157-2 too.
Great video thank you for your results.
Is there necessity for motor rotation remapping and tuning and if so where is this performed I have the complete and am gathering info before the swap. Thank you in advance
Thanks too for your comment! Tbh no idea on the motor remapping and tuning matter though..
@HappyDrone89 I found out that you don't have to remap motors and the PIDS can be adjusted in the goggles under settings remote controller.
@@jameslee6881 You cannot remap engines, as you cannot access Betaflight-type software. Nor are the PiDs that are set at the factory. At most you can work only and exclusively on installments. Nothing else can be done. Obviously I have Avata and also this modification. The Avata must be conducted as it was designed, and this very good modification must absolutely not distort the way of conducting the Avata as it was conceived, Yes, of course, split s, rotation of fast rolls and yaws, powerloop is fine, but they must all be measured, in such a way as to always create a nice kinematic flight. Accelerations yes, but they must be progressive, otherwise the vision in the camera becomes a trembling hair, as indeed is felt in this video. Thinking you have an almost 5 inch is nonsense. Then we might as well buy the Cinebot 30 and be daring with this one. Which is a very good drone and which I really recommend to everyone.
@@andreachiuppi incorrect on tuning the PIDS they are accessible but only in manual mode. Under controller and expo .100% they are there and adjustable.
@@jameslee6881 I insist... the values you see are only the rates, in fact you adjust the stick values. It is not for nothing that you find these under the radio control heading. It is not possible to edit (unfortunately) PiD and filters on Avata. Betaflight reports RC Rate, Rate and RC Expo and on Avata they are the ones with different names. You can only sew the remote control on yourself better, but you cannot operate on the PiDs, also because the PiDs, depending on the version, are at least 4. Then you know that it is not possible to adjust only the PiDs and not the Rates on the classic home-built drone. You wouldn't be able to make it fly as you would like.
Hi, replacing the motors for others more powerfull, reduce the avata
battery time, right?
Yes it does reduce but not too noticeable
Did you change your rates after switching to the new frame?
Nope, it was at stock rates
So now it’s 4 months later. Has the Avata died yet from all this Motor Overloaded warnings yet? I did my kit last week and am wondering if I should be at all concerned about it, or just treat it like a race car that is hitting its rev limiter. Will it blow up my esc? Or just keep crying?
Still flying decently. 😁
Do you let off when you see the warning? Or just ignore it and stay on the power?
@RaceDayPhoto I proceed to finish the intended maneuver
Did you upgrade the motors?
Yes
how did you changed the pid of the avata?
I didn't
3.5 is mandatory, not optional
Tumpang bertanya..kat mana boleh buat upgrade/pasang part jadi 3.5’’ 🙏😊
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Motor Overloaded error keeps popping up. Is that normal?
That's just Avata's system own reading, axisflying Motor power cap is higher than that. You can check out Axisflying test flight video, thr overload message also keeps popping up.
amazing test, thanks for sharing
@@westwingaero thanks too!
I have a friend who is using AF204 into his DIY Avata and he didn't get motor overload error. also the prop sound is much more quite because of the lower KV ua-cam.com/video/zNj1ZSxPqMg/v-deo.html
I'm only upgrading because too many Karens have came up to me and complained about the Avata's screaming noise that is scaring their children in the park.
Fixing the orientation of antennas to get my range back
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I see no reason for the modification at all.
That is totally fine bro, the purpose is to show the differences for reference, not to persuade ppl buying it 😁👍
This is sarcasm, right? Lol These modifications turn the Avata into the drone it should have been at launch. Stability, control, sound, and power appear to be massively improved, effectively solving the Achilles heel of the Avata with that terrible tumble. No more falling out of the sky. My only concern is the battery life.
Great video but this music is terrible.
I shall take note that, thanks!
파리 vs 모기
결론 둘다 시끄럽다.