Why Independent trucks are so DIFFERENT

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  • @vancouvercarpenter
    @vancouvercarpenter Рік тому +216

    I'm one of those people with the unpopular opinion that the trucks have actually gotten better since they moved. They had problems at Ermico too over the years. The stage 8 had a whole run of bending axles back in the early 2000"s. Broken baseplates on the stage 9. The stage 11 has suffered from the cracked hanger occasionally. I don't think it's as frequent as it was a few years ago. I think they've tightened it up since the early days of the move. Those forged plates on your beloved thunders are from China by the way.

    • @joeferruccio4018
      @joeferruccio4018 Рік тому +4

      My theory is the lack of regulations there let them use better formulated metals and urethane

    • @monatomic
      @monatomic Рік тому +13

      Thunder is made in Mexico

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +11

      I can't really speak for Indy's before the move since I hadn't skated them back then but having the hangers bend or snap is still happening a lot on the current Stage 11's. I have been skating this pair for over a month now though and weigh 100kg and there hasn't been any dramas so far!
      I actually didn't know that, I'm sure that would be a shock to the die hard Thunder guys that despise Indy's moving to China as well 😂
      What do you think of the Stage 4's that have been rereleased?

    • @tonyturner4602
      @tonyturner4602 Рік тому +13

      Skate-tubers forming like Voltron in here 😂

    • @skankwave5245
      @skankwave5245 Рік тому +1

      ​@@LeonPaxtonthey dont surf as well as stage 11s and certainly like aces, stage 4 is a boring truck. Turn is crazy tight but still feels limited cause no surf. Manuals lock in easier than any truck but still feels weird and.. limited

  • @MattDahlberg
    @MattDahlberg Рік тому +19

    Your local and crew are such a vibe. Love it!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Aww dude, this session was the best! 🥳

  • @Matt_tenny92
    @Matt_tenny92 11 місяців тому +50

    Damn a 9.125 deck you ain’t riding a skateboard you are riding a surfboard with wheels 😂

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  11 місяців тому +5

      I’ve been riding a 9.75” lately 😂

    • @narrowistheway77
      @narrowistheway77 5 місяців тому +1

      It’s pretty standard these days for pool, rails, and vert skating to go super wide

    • @Doobiusphantom
      @Doobiusphantom 4 місяці тому +4

      I’m moving from a 8.625 to a 9 I just have huge feet to that’s like the only size that feels comfortable 7.5-8.0 just feels like I’m riding a twig😭

  • @jonhollinsworth8785
    @jonhollinsworth8785 Рік тому +24

    After 30 years of riding Indy’s I recently tried thunder lights and Ace Af1, and now returning back to Indy titanium 149. Couldn’t handle the geometry of the thunders, felt like I had to learn to skate again. The Aces felt a little better but had to switch out the bushings to the harder ones which makes the turn weird as in they just kind of turn easy and the stop turning. Got to say the Indy titanium 149s on an 8.5 or 8.38 are a great truck! Middle aged madness over! Keep up the good work, great session

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Yeah dude, it's funny how different Thunder's and Indy's actually are to each other!
      Oh true, I'm looking at trying Ace next so I wonder how I'll find them to skate 🤔
      Haha thanks man 🙏🏼

    • @DARTHKNOWS76
      @DARTHKNOWS76 Рік тому

      with the bushings I never use factory bushings I always use the Bones dual durometer bushings. have you ever used them ?

  • @MikkoHenrikki
    @MikkoHenrikki Рік тому +13

    Just got myself Indy stage 4 size 151 for curiosity. Amazing turn and no wheelbite. Just one session behind, but first impression really good. I have tried thunders and aces, but always return to indys. All time favourite truck independent hollow 159.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Sick man, Im alternating between these Forged Hollows and the Stage 4's and am loving both!

  • @78consecratedcardsofart78
    @78consecratedcardsofart78 Рік тому +22

    I’m no pro, but I have been skating Independent Stage XI, Hollow Stage XI and Stage IV. They are all great. I’ve been comparing them with Thunders and Ace AF1. It’s no wonder I get a little overwhelmed when deciding which board to take to the park and often pack four to five in my trunk…😂😂😂 They all have a purpose and I’m feeling out the mini-fleet with various decks and wheels; so much to grow into!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +5

      Hahaha yeah man, they really do perform so differently to each other!

    • @dieseldabz7104
      @dieseldabz7104 Рік тому +2

      I've been skating Independent for 36 years.

    • @ho2673
      @ho2673 Рік тому

      Hey. 8.0 deck with 139 stage 11s. Can I buy spitfire 54mm for it ?

    • @tmangler7812
      @tmangler7812 8 місяців тому

      I also take multiple set-ups to the park..my friends joke that I need a skate caddy 😆...

    • @narrowistheway77
      @narrowistheway77 5 місяців тому +1

      Just don’t store the boards in the trunk longer than it takes to drive to and from the park, it’ll ruin your decks

  • @windownpc39
    @windownpc39 2 місяці тому +1

    Does anyone know what song starts playing at about 5:30?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Місяць тому +1

      'Run Away!' by WEARETHEGOOD dude 👌🏼

  • @SuperDanimal77
    @SuperDanimal77 Рік тому +5

    I was an Indy lifer but made the switch to Thunders a few years ago as my ledge, rail and flatground improved. I pretty much only skate smooth skateparks and straight line setups, before I was focused on wallies and slappies in the streets.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Yeah dude, Thunder's suit that type of skating well 👌🏼

  • @jeffli480
    @jeffli480 Рік тому +9

    Just wanna point out the holes are drilled on the baseplates in different positions - nobody really points this out much, but it definitely affects the way they turn and feel compared to each other, as well as how stiff they make the tail feel.
    Also, living over here in Asia, I’m pretty sure thunder at least has a factory making trucks in China. Thunders cost considerably less over here compared to Indy’s, so there’s no way imported thunders could cost less than locally made Indy’s….
    You should now do a comparison with venture hi’s, I feel like they’re kinda like a combination of Indy and thunder haha

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Yeah dude, that's a really good point and I hadn't noticed that either!
      Damn that's heaps interesting 🤔
      I definitely think I'm going to have to try some Venture's at some point in the near future 👍🏽

    • @Peter-ff1tp
      @Peter-ff1tp Рік тому

      Thunders are less expensive everywhere. Standard Indy Stage 11 will run you about $10-12 more than standard Thunders.
      I just bought two sets, standard and Titanium Lights, both made in Mexico.

  • @BLVCKSEA
    @BLVCKSEA Рік тому +6

    Been skating since 96' and have tried most of the major truck brands..From Ventures ,Tensors, Trackers, Gullwings, Krux, Silver, Fury's, Indy, Thunders and Aces. In my first years of skating my setup was super small..7.4 board and 48mm wheels and I would mainly skate Ventures..as I progressed in skating, my setup started getting bigger, wider board, bigger wheels and wider trucks. Around 2002 was the last time I rode a pair of Ventures and switched to Thunders..7.8 board with 7.75 Thunders and 51mm wheels..fast forward to 2023 and now I ride an 8.5 board with 149mm Indy's and 54mm spitfires...now that I've tried almost very truck under the rainbow, i will only skate Indy's or Aces. Best turning without having to get Bones Bushings. Worst trucks out of the bunch are Krux Truck...but thats just my opinion.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      That seems like a pretty spot on opinion though man! Especially from all of the experience you have had with different trucks 👌🏼
      I think I will be trying Ace trucks next 🤔

    • @Nischal_Gaming
      @Nischal_Gaming 9 місяців тому

      I cannot decide between getting Indys or Ace or Thunder, any help would be appreciated, kind of new to skateboarding but want to get into tricks and take skateboarding more seriously

    • @jonnychhon1881
      @jonnychhon1881 2 місяці тому

      I was blessed to find random skateboards in the canal when they drained it sometimes, I got to skate some rusty grind kings and they were amazing from what I can remember. I also found a pair a Krux but never knew what they were! The hole mystified me never saw that before. And there was something about the grind kings that were different I can’t remember lol

  • @kennynewell85
    @kennynewell85 Рік тому +4

    Seems like you go a pretty cool squad at the park. Looked like a fun session. Cool video.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Thanks dude! Yeah this session was actually so fun 🙌🏼

  • @ryintel
    @ryintel 3 місяці тому

    I have been riding Thunder since 1995, don’t remember why I started with them, but good to hear they still make great products.

  • @johnautry2711
    @johnautry2711 Рік тому +18

    Indy’s forever

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      What model is your favourite?

    • @theuserthatishere
      @theuserthatishere 10 місяців тому +2

      currently made in china...boo!

    • @Pititisk8
      @Pititisk8 3 місяці тому

      Indy's about that trucks are heavys

  • @williamdefortier8205
    @williamdefortier8205 Рік тому +2

    I would change the bushings to bones hard-core. Makes a big difference to your trucks

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      I’ve actually been thinking of trying those bushings! I’ve never changed bushings in any of my trucks ever so I need to try it at least once lol

    • @tazzmdevil7461
      @tazzmdevil7461 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@LeonPaxton I'm curious why you never touch the kingpin nut? I thought it was meant to be adjusted.. I weigh 220 lbs so I always have to buy bones hardcore bushings and crank them down.. I blow out the stock bushings.. I ride ACE right now.. great video bro

  • @TruGetta
    @TruGetta Рік тому +4

    lol kid at 4:05 is definitely getting a board for Christmas

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      That's actually the homies son so he already has strong skateboarding blood in him 🤘🏽

    • @kendtchileninjah5905
      @kendtchileninjah5905 Місяць тому

      That’s the same look that I had when I got a board lol. I’m wondering if he did

  • @dataghost2307
    @dataghost2307 Рік тому +6

    Venture in da house!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      I haven't tried them since I first started skating but I remember the bushings always blowing out heaps 🤔

    • @kristoffer8740
      @kristoffer8740 Рік тому +2

      @@LeonPaxton IMO Venture bushings are the best that I have tried out of Thunder, Independent, and Venture. I can't use stock Thunder or Independent bushings.

    • @dataghost2307
      @dataghost2307 Рік тому +1

      @@LeonPaxton Ventures were my first trucks back in 04. They've upgraded a lot from their classic red bushings. I've also tried indies, thunder, and currently riding aces. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but for some reason I always go back to venture. Sometimes I Frankenstein them and mix parts. Thunder does have good bushings.

  • @fakiewilly
    @fakiewilly Рік тому +1

    Where is this skatepark? Looks so unique.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      It's in North West Sydney dude, it's so fun!

  • @B0NGERSON
    @B0NGERSON 8 місяців тому +1

    Thunders on a 14” wheelbase feels perfect to me.

  • @micksterminator3
    @micksterminator3 Рік тому +3

    I guess I never dealt with breaking since im still riding stage 10s from like 2008 lol. I vowed never to ride thunders again after three pairs warped around the same time

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Oh dude, you got the top quality set then 👌🏼
      Damn, where about's on the trucks did they warp?

  • @amadousy7543
    @amadousy7543 Рік тому +5

    I’ve had pre and post china Indys and neither have ever broken, indys and thunder are the 2 best trucks IMO. I like indys cause i don’t need risers or bushings but thunders have unparalleled control

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      I would say that mine would have snapped easier since I weigh around 100kg but I've had little homies that weigh around 60kg that have snapped these trucks too 🤷🏽‍♂
      Yeah dude, I would say they are the top 2 truck companies as well. That being said, I haven't Tried Ace or Slappy trucks and haven't ridden Ventures since I started skating lol

    • @diplenski
      @diplenski Рік тому

      i sometimes ride risers on my indys, sometimes not. i like venture over thunder

    • @Ryoubreathingnow
      @Ryoubreathingnow Рік тому

      ​@LeonPaxton Have you given mag-lights a shot? I know they only go to 8.5, but damn are they light.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      No I haven't and that is the reason why, I've gone up to 9" trucks now so 8.5 would feel too small for the boards I'm riding lol

    • @Ryoubreathingnow
      @Ryoubreathingnow Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton Yeah, will be a bit small for the size your riding. I threw some nano cubics on and I feel I need to size up from 8.625 to 8.75. Use to use 3 speedrings on the axle side of the wheel to kick them out farther, before I got those cubics.

  • @keithreynolds6359
    @keithreynolds6359 Рік тому +2

    Since I got my first part of Indy 169's Hollows a few years back I've wanted to skate nothing else. They just suit my style. I put em under decks from 8.6 all the way up to 10". I just love em. I mainly skate bowls & pools.
    I have never had any issues with them. The only thing I change are the bushings. I always swap em out for Bones Hard Bushings.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      That's sick man, they will suit your bowl and transitions skating heaps 👌🏼

  • @LeonPaxton
    @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +5

    Team Indy or Team Thunder?

    • @Anonymous-kr3cj
      @Anonymous-kr3cj Рік тому +1

      bro you gotta try ventures the pop feel and pinch is perfect, also noticed one of your homies is rocking em haha right on!

    • @stoneisland1006
      @stoneisland1006 Рік тому

      Ace/Independent.
      tried thunders but just riding them does not feel fun for me. I have ace af1 55's with Hockey 8.5" deck. I am a heavy guy(100kg) but still enjoy those stock bushings. My style and overall feeling is much more relaxed than on any other truck. Indy forged hollow mid 149's are also nice and my flatground stuff is better on those but I don't enjoy flatground skating as I do just going around the skatepark.
      After these trucks I will try the ace af1 hollows or maybe independent standard forged hollows :) deck plays a big role there too so who knows what I might choose :D

    • @robertbaker3620
      @robertbaker3620 Рік тому

      Thunder 149s bro

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      @@Anonymous-kr3cj Yeah dude, I'm definitely going to have to try a pair now!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      @@stoneisland1006 I really want to try Ace trucks next!
      The AF1 Hollows are actually what I'm looking at as well lol

  • @peruperu-jj8zs
    @peruperu-jj8zs 11 місяців тому

    I just couldn’t get thunder to get as loose as I wanted without suffering from major wheel bite. Switched to Indy and never looked back

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  11 місяців тому

      Yeah dude, I feel that! Sometimes the Indy geometry is just better lol

  • @xIONSHARKIEx
    @xIONSHARKIEx 3 місяці тому

    I want trunks to be reliable and stable with sharp turn and a little jump of tricks ? Which should i get? I have a board with 8" wide , 31.875 long , possible require with 14" wheelbase.. which trunks suits this information? Thank You

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому

      Thunders are more stable but Independent turns sharper so you could try putting harder bushings in your Independent trucks to make them more stable but still give you wide turns and they also create a shorter wheel bas eon your board 👌🏼
      149 Independents will fit your 8" board perfectly too

  • @YouilAushana
    @YouilAushana Рік тому

    that park is so cool and Australia is the shiznit. My thunder super hollows or whatever they call them are 49mm with forged baseplate. You didn't even talk about the hanger angle and how that it effects the turning ease compared to the two trucks.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Yeah dude, this park is so unique and fun!
      You mean the hanger angle or the kingpin angle?
      I mentioned that the kingpins sit in a different position on the baseplate between both trucks and that's what has a lot to do with how much each truck turns 🤔

  • @240high
    @240high 3 місяці тому

    The shape of your board is crazy from the top

  • @B1n6
    @B1n6 Рік тому +1

    So what's your favourite so far? Indy Stage 11 forged hollows, Indy Stage 4, or Thunders?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Duuuude, that's a tough call to make lol
      I'm always going to love Thunder's and am still keeping my eye out for a set of Hollow Lights in a 161 but for now alternating between the Indy Hollows & Stage 4's have been sick!
      The Stage 4's are still ridiculously good at turning and carving with not one bit of wheel bite at all and both Indy trucks have amazing pinch because of the turning circle plus my back tails are sliding better than ever on both Indy's 🤷🏽‍♂
      It just depends how durable these trucks end up being and how long they last to what decision I make for me next set. I'd say it definitely depends on what you want to do on your skateboard to which trucks you should set up, so I'm having fun swapping things around depending on what I want to skate.
      I would really like to try either Ace or Slappy trucks next though 🤔

    • @monatomic
      @monatomic Рік тому

      Hollow Stage 4 would nice!!!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Dude that would be insane! I wonder if they are considering a hollow version of them 🤔

    • @monatomic
      @monatomic Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton Hopefully some one at NHS sees this and writes down that idea 📝✏️🤣

    • @B1n6
      @B1n6 Рік тому

      ​@@LeonPaxtonwould love to see a comparison between Indy stage 4s and Aces since they're both carvy trucks

  • @djsandy303
    @djsandy303 7 місяців тому

    i used to ride thunders but broke a bunch of the hollow kingpins and broke a baseplate once. ride hollow indies but they r kind heavy. wondering if id like a lighter truck.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  7 місяців тому

      Oh damn that sucks!
      The hollow indies still feel too heavy?

  • @ThatSweGuy23
    @ThatSweGuy23 5 місяців тому

    Do you think that Thunder is better for grinding rails? I think Thunders is locking in better because they are a lower truck.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  5 місяців тому +1

      That’s a good question 🤔
      Indy’s turn more though which give you a much deeper pinch when you’re grinding

  • @TheWeekendShooter308
    @TheWeekendShooter308 4 місяці тому

    I've had 3 pairs of thunders snap in the same exact spot in my 20 years of skating

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  4 місяці тому

      Damn! Were they the hollows or standards?

  • @jubiisuico4620
    @jubiisuico4620 Рік тому

    My indys are turning on the otherside then i check it, its the kingpin bending on the other side which affects the geometry of the trucks now im planning switching on thunders

  • @smoothpoon86
    @smoothpoon86 3 місяці тому

    I had a pair of Indies in 98 that lasted me until 2004. I wasn’t crazy or anything but I did abuse many decks in that time and those trucks stayed with me the entire time

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому

      Damn that's sick, definitely got your money's worth!

  • @sandiaYpescado
    @sandiaYpescado 3 місяці тому

    Not sure if that’s still correct about where thunder and Venture are made

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому

      I think they have moved to China as well now lol

  • @wrecking_havoc586
    @wrecking_havoc586 Рік тому

    Where did you buy that Heroin egg?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      I get all my stuff from Fast Times dude 👌🏼
      fasttimes.com.au/heroin-shellraiser-deck.html

  • @JoeLynnTurner
    @JoeLynnTurner 11 місяців тому

    Just ordered a pair of Indy hollows. Been riding Thunders since I was a kid because back in the day Thunders were like 10€ cheaper a pair than Indys. Deciding factor was that coming back to skating I never really learned to tailslide proper and I've been a LONG time in slumber where I can get to tailslide position but fail to slide as wheels take to the ledge. I'm really hoping new Indys will help me over this barrier and will finally help me find some tailslide consistency. I know you can tailslide with Thunders as well but maybe I suck less with Indys, maybe.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  11 місяців тому

      I actually realised my back tails became a lot easier once I started riding the Indy’s so I think you will feel the same thing man. Similar axle position on the Ace and Slappy trucks too, it’s just Thunder’s that seem to have the hanger closer to the outside of the baseplate

  • @zero8802
    @zero8802 4 місяці тому

    Brand new skater, I’m 6’2 and 211 and I was gonna get independent but now I’m curious if maybe I should stay away sense I’m not a light person.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  4 місяці тому

      Independent is fine dude but you can try the solid version instead of the hollows 👌🏼

  • @krisdt25
    @krisdt25 Рік тому +1

    Tensor Mag light is the best version of Indy's out there for tech and curb s, unless you're hacking big gaps and stairs.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      I've heard a lot of mixed things a bout those trucks 🤔

    • @krisdt25
      @krisdt25 Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton hope you can give it a try soon. More power to your channel!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      @@krisdt25 Thanks dude!

    • @StephenCross-pg4ez
      @StephenCross-pg4ez Рік тому +1

      I like em .Don't grind as well as Indy's but they flip well

  • @mutatedgenome
    @mutatedgenome Рік тому

    If they hold up, are you going to switch to Indys since tail slides are easier?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      That's tough to say man! I've been alternating between these and the Stage 4 Indy's lately and am enjoying them both but I would like to try either Ace or Slappy trucks next 🤔

  • @lucasklock5494
    @lucasklock5494 7 місяців тому +1

    Sick local park dude! Thanks for the infos bro. I'm from Brazil, so any decent truck is really expensive... it really helped me form an educated opinion. Gotta make my cash count lmao. Cheers

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  7 місяців тому +1

      This skatepark is so fun!
      Glad I could help dude 🙏🏼

  • @sethlabombard578
    @sethlabombard578 3 місяці тому

    I haven't bought a pair of Indy's in 7 years but all the ones I've had were the best ones I had. I only skated the og raw trucks so that's all I've got experience with. Also my deck is 9.1 and my trucks are for an 8.25. I skate my trucks loose af so I tightened them and it stopped the board from want to flip out from under me on tight turns.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому

      That's sick man, you've got a good batch there!

  • @BobCorey
    @BobCorey 3 місяці тому

    The wheelbase comparison isn't so accurate because if you notice the screw holes on the Thunder are more to the front making the truck sit more back, so difference shouldn't be this big.
    How about the kingpin clearance though? Does it get in the way on the Thunders?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому +1

      That's true, it isn't as extreme when lined up from the holes but there is still a big difference between the two. Kingpin clearance is a whole different topic that I'll have to make a seperate video about 👌🏼

    • @BobCorey
      @BobCorey 3 місяці тому

      @@LeonPaxton Seriously? Is there so much of a difference? I was so close on getting one of these (thunders maybe) but I am really annoyed when my kingpin screw is messed up, I find it so easy to get right as a designer, but almost all brands have this silly issue...

  • @mutatedgenome
    @mutatedgenome Рік тому

    You're a big heavy skater. What have you done with your setup to help prevent excessive amounts of wheel bite?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      To be honest I don't really do anything lol
      I dont jump down stuff pretty often so I don't get wheel bite a whole lot but every now and then I will wax the wheel bite area of my board so if it does happen then the wax helps me ride it out 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @mutatedgenome
      @mutatedgenome Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton So you don't switch out the stock bushings for harder ones?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Nah dude, I've never changed my bushings in any trucks I've ever had. I ride my trucks pretty loose though so the bushings don't usually blow out at all 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @trey_dizzle4161
    @trey_dizzle4161 9 місяців тому

    I got the 215s for my 10.4 heroin egg. Omg it rides like a dream

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  9 місяців тому +1

      Damn, I want to get that board so bad! Can't wait til that season comes to AUS 🙏🏼

    • @trey_dizzle4161
      @trey_dizzle4161 9 місяців тому

      @@LeonPaxton can't wait to watch you skate it!

  • @chandlerboyer9154
    @chandlerboyer9154 6 місяців тому

    Just bought some Indy 169 forged aluminum. I have 149 thunder titaniums on my 8.5 boards and some heroin boards. Gonna use the 169 indys on my 9.5 shovel

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  6 місяців тому

      Hell yeah, that will be perfect man!

  • @DavidBluetile
    @DavidBluetile 11 місяців тому

    I think all the forged base plates for venture and thunder as well as the hollow hangers are made in china as well. Only the standard thunders and ventures are still made in the US. im pretty sure.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  11 місяців тому

      Yeah they are which I didn’t actually know ow at first lol

  • @hardhittaa
    @hardhittaa Рік тому

    Do you know anything about Krux? I skated years ago and I'm getting back into it, I always skated Krux in the past and loved them, but I think I want to try something different. I 've never skated Indy or Thunders, leaning towards Thunder Hollow Lights or Krux. I'm not sure if Krux has switched manufacturers or not but I use to skate them pretty much the entire time I skated, except my first pair was Destructos. Lol

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      I used to ride them waaaay back in the day because I loved the inverted kingpin/ dome piece that they use to have but haven't seen any of them for about 10 years now lol
      Yeah dude, Destructo's were sick back in the day too!

  • @markbryanpo
    @markbryanpo 7 місяців тому

    2:16 the holes on the base plates is a huge difference too. if you compare them attached to "the same" board, its not much but however..it depends on the board wheelbase too. 14" wb board with thunder trucks vs 14.25" wb board with indys are most likely the same...🤷‍♂ it's not so complicated when @Ben Degros explains it. Learn a lot from him! Now the knowledge is bugging me hahaha They always say it's all about preference and it's actually true.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  7 місяців тому +1

      That's very true! He is the number 1 guy when it comes to product reviews and how much every little thing makes a big difference!

  • @hoodedcobra1531
    @hoodedcobra1531 Рік тому

    Thunder’s axel sits more closer towards the nose and tail and the. Indy sit closer towards the middle giving you if you have a 14” wheel base will be more like a 13” wheelbase. Meaning the tail is going to hit the ground quicker then thunders but thunders will give you more leverage and the timing is going to lil more later then Indy will. I prefer thunders hollow but do wanna give Indy mid a try

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Yeah dude, the difference of where the kingpins sit in each truck makes a world of difference!
      I am liking these Indy hollows at the moment thoigh

    • @clifford_2zero7
      @clifford_2zero7 7 місяців тому

      Don't forget the indys sit higher also. Forged baseplate indys are 53.5mm high. I think he said the thunders where 51mm? So that's a factor also

  • @grindlounge
    @grindlounge Рік тому

    Thunders baseplate is shorter in the front and longer in the back which make the holes centered. So you cant compare indy and thunder axle placement measuring from the edge of the baseplate. You have to measure from the holes.

    • @grindlounge
      @grindlounge Рік тому

      So the wheels rubbing the side of the ledge has to do with the baseplate and not the placement of the axle. Venture has about the same wheelbase as thunder and they dont have that problem.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      That's true! the trucks won't actually sit in the same position if the holes are off centred 🤔

  • @240high
    @240high 3 місяці тому

    Never rode indys was always a destructo/theeve truck guy then jumped to thunder lights one days and stuck with them until the ace af1's came out and wasnt too crazy of a learning curve from the thunders

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому +1

      Damn Destructo trucks were sick back in the day! I'm on the AF1's now too and loving them 🙌🏼

    • @240high
      @240high 3 місяці тому

      @LeonPaxton hell yeah man cant wait to see the review! If you do one!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому +1

      I've got one on my channel from a few months ago man 🙏🏼
      ua-cam.com/video/Tl4QjsqLZhY/v-deo.html

    • @240high
      @240high 3 місяці тому

      @LeonPaxton sick! New here so cheers !

  • @JohnArmy85
    @JohnArmy85 5 місяців тому

    It looks like the base plate on the Indy's with the cracked axle have the cross stamp on them, which if that's the case those were made in USA. They stopped putting the stamps on the base plates when they switched to China.

  • @Seeeeyaaaa
    @Seeeeyaaaa Рік тому

    I've just started to ride again lately and just slapped a deck together using some Polished 149 Thunder Light Hi's and they ride pretty good but definitely not like Indy's. My main gripe was the soft bushings they come with new, i couldn't adjust the kingpins tight enough to get them to feel like my Indy's did..anyways, I have them riding pretty good now but need to upgrade to a harder bush set to make them perfect. I remember back in the day when I used thunders originally, I would regularly crack the base plates which is why I switched to Indy.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      That's sick man, welcome back!
      They are pretty soft and make them really loose at first but after a few hours they definitely wear in and feel better as the bushings harden 👌🏼
      Oh damn, do you remember how you cracked the baseplate?

    • @Seeeeyaaaa
      @Seeeeyaaaa Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton Thanks man 🙏 yeah true, they are definitely feeling better each ride. I used to break them sometimes just doing some hard Ollie kerb grinds or if I slapped them hard onto the steel copings on the ramps I used to ride. Great trucks but I think I rode better on the old Powell/indy setup I had but you know I think half of it is just what you get used to. Your riding great too man, thanks for the inspiration 🤙

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Damn, I can't believe they broke that easy! lol
      Thanks for saying that man, you're a legend 🙏🏼

  • @beypazariofficial
    @beypazariofficial Рік тому

    what do you think about Fury Trucks?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      I've actually never heard of them 😂

  • @rubberfooty
    @rubberfooty Рік тому

    Riding the MID Version, since 2021. No bending axle, no snapping kingpin, no breaking baseplate 🤷‍♂️

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      That's good man, maybe I got a bad batch 🤔

  • @lucianmacandrew1001
    @lucianmacandrew1001 3 місяці тому

    I skated my independent titanium trucks for 4 years, and they are still good.

  • @KR4Qep
    @KR4Qep 3 місяці тому

    my first thought is poor heat treatment. i'm a knife guy and high end knives are expensive. so i've learned way more than i should about steele types and tempering steele.
    knives that fail do so because the steele wasn't heat treated well. happens a lot of cheap knives, especially ones manufactured in china.
    i don't know exactly what trucks are made of. if it's steele, aluminum, or a blend. i'm also not sure about heat treatments for aluminum. but seeing trucks crack like that, my very first thought is steele and manufacturing quality, primarily heat treatment and quenching

  • @technolange651
    @technolange651 Рік тому +1

    Thunders would be my perfect truck if it wasn't for the baseplate being short making my wheels drag on ledges. I'm currently riding some Venture V-lights. Very similar turn to the Thunders.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Yeah dude, that's probably the only problem that they have!
      How is the baseplate clearance on the Ventures?

    • @technolange651
      @technolange651 Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton Yeah it’s good. Similar to an Indy baseplate, there is about 3 or 4mm extra sticking out which gives better clearance for the wheels.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      That still sounds better than the Thunder baseplate as well lol

  • @theoistcool7907
    @theoistcool7907 Рік тому +1

    the only trucks i had were indy hollow lights and thunder trucks (hollow light) and i like both but i prefer thunder

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Is it because the Thunders are lighter?

    • @theoistcool7907
      @theoistcool7907 Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton yeah i just like riding lighter trucks

  • @deltabravo86a46
    @deltabravo86a46 Рік тому

    I just ordered some Thunder Hi Hollow Lights Suciu Reserve Trucks 147 and some reds bearings. Hopefully they go good!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Hell yeah dude, that's a good combo!
      What wheels are you running?

    • @deltabravo86a46
      @deltabravo86a46 Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton I have an almost board coming hopefully arrives by the end of the week .
      I ordered a picture wheel co snack pack with wheels trucks and bearings (combo kit thing) but when I heard about the thunder trucks in your video I thought ok I’m ordering them hahahaha.
      I’m going to change the new trucks over to the almost deck with the new bearings and keep the combo trucks as spares.
      Are you by any chance near Ctown? Would be sweet to skate one day with you!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Haha yeah dude,Thunder's are always a safe bet 👌🏼
      Hell yeah dude, I'm around that are! What is your local skatepark?

    • @deltabravo86a46
      @deltabravo86a46 Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton Leumeah skatepark

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Oh true, I grew up skating that park actually!

  • @tjgonzwest
    @tjgonzwest 7 місяців тому

    Going through this madness right now, Thunder guy because Indys broke on me in early 2000s. Love Ace's but I want to get a little more stability back for flip tricks and need a little more height than Thunder offers since I've gone up to 54mm wheels..going to give the Indys another shot and see how it goes!! Also miss how the baseplates grinded on Indys, Ace has a little of that going on and going back to Thunders after Ace I'm sticking a lot more on the wheels

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  7 місяців тому +1

      Same dude, the madness is real 😂
      I’m riding Ace’s at the moment and I swapped out the stick bushings for the Ace hard bushings and they feel perfect now!

    • @tjgonzwest
      @tjgonzwest 7 місяців тому

      @@LeonPaxton Hell yeah nice!! That might be my next move too!! It's nice that Mesa supply also sells just the AF1 hangers to swap sizes easily, thinking of switching to 8.5 and see if it can be a do all type setup

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  7 місяців тому +1

      Oh true, I didn’t know you could just buy the hanger separately!

  • @himebaughchris4026
    @himebaughchris4026 Рік тому

    Echoes of Brian Johnson. Look That guy up. Good Stuff.

  • @BK-qc8rr
    @BK-qc8rr Рік тому

    yo can I get a link for that Vegita board?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Man I had to hunt that board down on eBay lol
      They are so overpriced though!

  • @kylefennell8016
    @kylefennell8016 Рік тому

    Been riding Independent since 1987, first good used truck I had was Thunder then got new Venture went to Independent and always come back to Indy ! The new Thunders look great but I am a Indy guy!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Damn dude, that's sick! Loyal to Indy for sure 🤘🏽

    • @steezzyv2470
      @steezzyv2470 Рік тому

      I miss the old thunders before they got refurbished which was around 2018 -2019....before then they Were higher they were like 54 mm high and they turned alot better and skated better....the new refurbished thunder hi's suck ...there a lot lower and have a semi-different shape which is what makes them skate so different...

  • @_....J........................

    and also Louie Lopez skates standard cheap indys like an ATV, and he's better than any of us at anything skating wise, and always will be. I think a lot it just boils down to what kind of truck you learned to skate on from the start, then that kind of becomes your go to.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Yeah dude for sure! You can get used to anything if you ride it long enough 👌🏼

  • @GasGotti
    @GasGotti 5 місяців тому

    Trucks are always the most annoying part of my board madness. I love Indy stage XI’s for cruising and transition, because you can basically put any size wheel on them. The mid hollows are great for cruising as well as tricks but you get bite if you put anything above a 52mm wheel. With thunders and thunder lights, I like the pop I get, and the weight difference. But they sit pretty low as well, so I’m constantly switching wheels.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  5 місяців тому +1

      Same dude 😂 It’s hard to just have a truck that does everything right isn’t it lol

    • @GasGotti
      @GasGotti 5 місяців тому

      @@LeonPaxton RIGHT! OCD definitely makes me overthink the crap out of everything though. That’s probably why I haven’t decided what my “Goldilock” truck is yet. Combine that with the financial liberty to try certain products and it takes away from the time I end up actually skating. I spent all day deciding which of my 8.5s I was going to test 144 stage XI’s. Ended up trying them on a Grimple Stix, with 56mm-F4-101conical fulls. The narrower trucks felt surprisingly more poppy. I love your vids btw bro, seriously. sorry for the rant haha.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  5 місяців тому

      All good, I fully understand the madness 😂
      Sometimes I wonder if it will be easier just to ride whatever and stay oblivious but my OCD won't let me lol
      Thanks so much man, thanks for watching and commenting 🙏🏼

  • @OlExtraRegularBass
    @OlExtraRegularBass Місяць тому

    I was always told that thunder turns like Fury, that's why i never tried them.

  • @scstinger5
    @scstinger5 3 місяці тому

    Good video! I love Thunders and Indy’s but for some reason I always struggle a bit on Indy 159’s but love the 169’s & 149’s. It’s weird I know, but the 159’s feel kinda twitchy and out of control for me?? Thunders always feel good and controlled but I do wish they were a bit taller in height

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks dude 🙏🏽
      Yeah that is a bit weird lol

  • @uploadmusic69
    @uploadmusic69 Рік тому

    Where is that park

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      This is Telopea skatepark near Parramatta dude 👌🏼

  • @poopoofuhqueue2389
    @poopoofuhqueue2389 Рік тому

    bro try Slappy trucks. I've heard wonderful things about them. I'm planning a slappy only setup and got my eye on a set of those

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Yeah dude, I'm tossing up between Ace or Slappy trucks next!

  • @Richykitty
    @Richykitty Рік тому

    You should try some ace trucks! Grind like butter & turn so well!

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +2

      I think I've decided I'll be trying them next 👌🏼

  • @diplenski
    @diplenski Рік тому +1

    i started riding independents fairly recently, got a set of 144 stage XI standards (8.25")(CHINA) maybe 2021 or so, and have since picked up several more pairs - 139(8") standard(USA), 139 forged hollows(CHINA), 149(8.5") mid standard(CHINA). i have also had a set of stage V(late '80s) 149s(USA) for about thirty years, but didn't really use them until fairly recently bc they were way wider than boards i rode back when i got them, and also were the old bolt pattern(i since drilled the new bolt pattern into the plates). i can't say there is much if any difference in quality or performance between them. anecdotally i might say the metal on the USA ones seems maybe ever so slightly a bit more dense and abrasion resistant in comparison, but am only basing that on sound and feel over anything verifiable. most of my other trucks are 15-30 years old (venture, thunder, grindking, gullwing), so maybe not apples to apples comparison(i would hope trucks have improved in that time) but the China indys are as good or better and i have no complaints with them. my experience with thunder trucks is i have 2 sets of 145(7.62") thunder lows from the mid '90s. i liked how they skated, pretty much identical to venture lows, but the axles slipped bad and as a result i haven't bought them since. funnily enough, i saw on chris cole's recent batb part he was tapping his axles on the ground, a sure sign that it is still an issue to this day. indys still have a lifetime warranty, so if yours weren't axled when they cracked they are still under warranty. as an american, i can say that "made in USA" isn't the mark of quality maybe it once was. american cars/motorcycles are trash and have been outdone by the japanese for over 50 years for quality/value/reliability/resale. i'm not crazy about manufacturing jobs being shipped overseas, but can't say that it has noticeably/negatively impacted the quality in my experience in this case. people got bad trucks occasionally when they were made here too, it's just easy to point a finger at China now. i still think DSM(china) makes the best decks in the game.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Yeah dude, that could be the only difference really, I guess only the company owners will know the different materials that are used now 🤔
      What do you mean by axle slip?
      That's true man! Imagine the higher quality if they moved their production to Japan instead lol
      Well Bones Reds are made in China and are one of the best bearings out in the market right now too

    • @diplenski
      @diplenski Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton back in the olden days, occasionally the axle would shift inside the hangar. like if you hit the end of the axle by landing primo, the force would shift the axle enough that one wheel would no longer turn and the other would become loose. you'd have to bang the axle on the ground to re-center it, you might notice this in older footage. it's super annoying and gets progressively worse over time. this is something that seems to have been mostly corrected since the late '90s maybe, but it's why i won't buy thunders or trackers to this day. using the wheel-core bearing spacers will mostly prevent this from happening too, but a lot of people don't.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      @@diplenski Oh true, I actually heard about that happening! Like the axle wasn't fused to the inside of the hanger properly lol

  • @justinkane4814
    @justinkane4814 Рік тому

    just switched to thunder lights from indys...now i kno why im gettin excess wheelbite

  • @Moreland1234
    @Moreland1234 3 місяці тому

    I remember gullwings and trackers

  • @Ish1100
    @Ish1100 5 місяців тому

    What’s the skatepark???

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  5 місяців тому

      This is Telopea skatepark, kind of near Parramatta dude!

  • @StationaryRocketFlipChampion
    @StationaryRocketFlipChampion Рік тому +1

    I have the exact same indy's you have in this video (USA made) for probably about 7 years now. I just recently had to retire them. They were grinded down to the axle on both trucks and the stock top bushings were destroyed. And They were still somewhat ridable all the way till the end.
    I did the opposite of what you did and got the thunder 151 hollow lights because flipping around an 8.75 to 9in board with 9.125 axle trucks got to be a little too much and made my skating feel a tad limited.
    With that being said those Indy's held up amazingly over the years and I skated the shit out of them on all terrain. It almost felt like i couldn't kill them lol. And i skate anywhere from 2 to 5 days a week. Im still adjusting to the Thunders, they definitely don't grind as well on crusty curbs like the indy's did but maybe thats because I'm still breaking them in (possibly thinking about just getting a plain ol' regular Thunder 151 to have that beefier feeling when grinding on rough surfaces) I do like the stability though on the Thunders. I'm really hoping it can be a great all-around truck because I'd prefer not to have multiple setups for different situations.
    Anyways sorry for the rant, that's just my experience on the 169 forged hollows. 🤙

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Damn dude, you got your money's worth on those bad boys for sure 👌🏼
      Yeah dude, Thunders have never let me down and always last long too! They have a Thunder 'Hollow' version where they have the forged baseplate and hollow kingpin but the axle is solid so maybe that might suit you better?

    • @StationaryRocketFlipChampion
      @StationaryRocketFlipChampion Рік тому

      ​@@LeonPaxtonFor sure man, I'm looking into checking those out as well. Hopefully you can make a long term/follow up video to this one to see which ones you truly like better 🤙 thanks for the reply

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      I think I will definitely do that and see how durable they end up being and how long they last 👌🏼
      Of course man, thanks for watching and commenting 🙏🏼

  • @dominicraleigh4295
    @dominicraleigh4295 3 місяці тому

    Thunders are not made in San Francisco. thunder and Venture Trucks are poured in Mexico at BBS. Then they are shipped to BBS in San Marcos California in San Diego. The trucks made in the US are ACE Trucks

  • @jokerzyo
    @jokerzyo Рік тому

    These new independent trucks blew my mind. I didn't know trucks could feel so good I stopped skating for about 10 years and holy fuck the difference was night and day. Ive also like my krux but ill definitely need to give thunder a try would love to see a Chris Cole model

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      The definitely do skate well!
      I guess they are always trying to improve their products 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @jokerzyo
      @jokerzyo Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton yeah and I'm mostly a flat skater so I don't have to worry about durability as much as other skaters luckily

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      @@jokerzyo I’m exactly the same man lol

  • @danjeffrey5716
    @danjeffrey5716 3 місяці тому

    Anyone know the name of this skatepark?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  3 місяці тому +1

      It's Telopea Skatepark, kind of near Parramatta dude 👌🏼

    • @danjeffrey5716
      @danjeffrey5716 3 місяці тому

      @@LeonPaxton chur bro

  • @insanogeddon
    @insanogeddon Рік тому

    Smaller wheelbase and egg board try bigger wheels to off set faster spin and extra tail length.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Yeah dude, I think I will try a bigger size for my next set of wheels 👌🏼

  • @blackedmirror5073
    @blackedmirror5073 3 місяці тому

    They feel so wide before they bite on the turn.

  • @sidwellsk8er
    @sidwellsk8er Рік тому

    Well I definitely hope for more feedback from you on the Slappy 9.00 Hollow Inverted trucks after you ride them longer. I have a set of Indy 169 Titaniums right now and they are pretty light for their size.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      The Slappy Trucks I'm riding are the solid ones and don't have the inverted kingpin

    • @sidwellsk8er
      @sidwellsk8er Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton well that's what I have in the waiting.

  • @douggotley7169
    @douggotley7169 5 місяців тому

    My first trucks were thunder hollows. I snapped a kingpin in half doing an Ollie on flat ground. I had never jumped that board off any ledges or stairs. Thunders hollow lights are junk.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  5 місяців тому

      Oh damn, that definitely sounds like a dodgey set!

  • @mikeegbert6584
    @mikeegbert6584 Рік тому

    you look like a big guy, should try a 10" pop and some 215 or thunder 181s. ace just came out with some 10s too

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +2

      Dude! I actually just got my hands on a 10" popsicle board lol
      That video should be dropping over the next few weeks 🤞🏽

    • @mikeegbert6584
      @mikeegbert6584 Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton sweet, will keep an eye out on that video. there's another aussie @itsapiratelife or something similar, he shreds around on a 10" set up. pretty sick

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Yeah dude, I actually got the board he rides! It's a 10" popsicle from Smoke Beer Skateboards in Melbourne. The thing is a beast lol

  • @Peter-p5p
    @Peter-p5p Місяць тому

    Thunders for life baby!

  • @ChristopherGreenwell
    @ChristopherGreenwell 8 місяців тому

    what skate park is thart?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  8 місяців тому

      Telopea Skatepark dude, out past Parramatta 👌🏼

  • @darquinnou
    @darquinnou Рік тому

    Great video ! And what about ACE Trucks ? Will test these one day ? I have the feeling that they r pretty the same to indy but with a better quality

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +2

      Thank you! I actually do want to try Ace trucks for my next set so hopefully I can get my hands on som hollows in a 9"-9.125" 🙏🏼

    • @darquinnou
      @darquinnou Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton nice, waiting for your review !

  • @hasslefool
    @hasslefool Рік тому

    Able to review Krux trucks?

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      I could definitely do that 👌🏼
      It might be a while though since I want to try Ace trucks next 🤔

  • @markprice2225
    @markprice2225 7 місяців тому

    @LeonPaxton I own to sets of Independent trucks. The flat bar flat black stage 11s 169(9.1"), and the stage 4 reissues 166(9.0 axle). The stage 4s are the greatest trucks on the market! Turning & looks of AF1s, with stability and build of Indy. YEAH, I RIDE EM

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  7 місяців тому

      That's sick! YeahI was really impressed with the Stage 4 reissues, I just hope they make a hollow version 🤞🏽

  • @BobEllis79
    @BobEllis79 4 місяці тому

    I appreciate the effort, the skating, and the comparison in how they skated compared to your Ventures but takeaway really does come across as "the quality is lower since the move to China because that's what I heard" which seems contrary to your Bones Reds video when you appreciate that the Chinese version delivers the quality at a cheaper price.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  4 місяці тому +1

      I cut a lot out of this video but what I was talking about is how the first pair of Indy Forged Hollows I had snapped at the hanger and the axle bent but this was a common thing that happened to a lot of people I know around the same time so I'm still wondering if we all just had trucks from a bad batch 🤔

    • @BobEllis79
      @BobEllis79 3 місяці тому

      ​@@LeonPaxtoncould be issues getting the new production up and running? Maybe I'm the lucky one in that I've never broken a truck, I just blow out bushings.
      Appreciate you as always.

  • @51sicboy
    @51sicboy Рік тому

    Been grinding indys since 89 and no issues.

  • @_freedumb
    @_freedumb Рік тому

    Thunders are good but the nose/tailslide thing can be annoying. Their stock bushings also seem to break/disintegrate quickly.
    Never really had a problem with Indys, pre or post China, the bushings actually break in quicker now, but the pivot cups break more easily though in my experience. Had this happen 2 times with new trucks.
    Like you said it depends on what/how youre skating..I mostly go with Thunders when I want a more technical setup. Indys are a good all arounder.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Yeah dude, it's crazy how much I don't have a problem with those tricks now that I'm on Indy's!
      Oh true, do you run your trucks loose?
      That's actually spot on dude 👌🏼

    • @Skybij
      @Skybij Рік тому

      Put Riptide pivot cups in them, they last a lot longer. Might try Riptide Krank street bushings too, some people swear by them .

  • @nuthinguseful
    @nuthinguseful Рік тому

    Hey man, I remember you saying on another video you weigh like 100kg ish? Do you switch your bushings on either brand or just go with the stock 90ish and let them toughen up?

    • @vorpalblades
      @vorpalblades Рік тому +1

      I weigh 210 lbs. and switch to 94A for the bushings. I ride medium tightness.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      Yeah dude, I'm floating around the 100kg mark and whenever I get new trucks I just set them up and that's it, I don't ever change the bushings or tighten? loosen the kingpin nut. The only thing I might do is tighten them a half turn when I first skate them just to have them wear in a bit faster but that's all dude. But I'm used to skating loose trucks and pinching grinds a lot so that just works for me 👌🏼

    • @nuthinguseful
      @nuthinguseful Рік тому

      okay cool thanks for the advice! It didn't even occur to me that I could just ride them without changing and not get an insane amount of wheel bite as I'm heavy. I thought it was basically a necessity to change. But I'll try it with the stock and see how I get on! Thank you! @@LeonPaxton

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      @@nuthinguseful That's mainly because I like loose trucks though but if you want them to feel a bit more firm then getting harder bushings won't hurt either 👌🏼

    • @nuthinguseful
      @nuthinguseful Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton you know what, I went out last night and switched back over to the stock bushings, tightened them all the way (there's a hard limit on the inverted kingpin indie mids which basically means you can't crush them) and the balance was actually just right! really enjoyed carving about. I think I'll stick with it a while and see what happens. Thanks again :D

  • @anarchistbunny3339
    @anarchistbunny3339 Рік тому +2

    Krux is always going to be my favorite brand to ride no matter what. never was a fan of Indy's and Thunders are good, but still to heavy for me, even for the hallow kingpin. if you want a nice clean light pair of trucks, get some Krux.

    • @HardKnocks160s
      @HardKnocks160s Рік тому

      Krux seem very underrated I ride thunder or ventures

    • @DarmokAtTanagra
      @DarmokAtTanagra Рік тому +2

      everybody talks crap about krux for being too tight and hard to turn. i ride thunders, but not being carvey enough really isn't a concern of mine. riding trucks loose and carvey is super overrated

    • @vorpalblades
      @vorpalblades Рік тому

      Krux are killer.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +1

      I actually used to ride Krux trucks a lot back in the day! I really liked the inverted dome piece kingpin they had 👌🏼

    • @HardKnocks160s
      @HardKnocks160s Рік тому

      Just ordered some krux 8.0 k5s to try out

  • @andreasthomsen6243
    @andreasthomsen6243 Рік тому +7

    I switched from thunder to indy/ace, they are much easier to skate and no wheel bite
    I can't go back even though I have skated thunder for the last 10 years. :)
    Nice video, keep up the good work.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому +3

      Damn I wonder if I'm going to be the same then lol
      I would definitely like to try Ace or Slappy trucks next though 🤔
      Thank you man, appreciate that a lot 🙏🏼

    • @andreasthomsen6243
      @andreasthomsen6243 Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton ace trucks are so good. 👌🏼

    • @incsk8
      @incsk8 Рік тому +1

      No wheelbite? Probably you skate them on the tight side.

    • @andreasthomsen6243
      @andreasthomsen6243 Рік тому

      @@incsk8 loose but not floppy loose. 😁

    • @chrisfrizzell1050
      @chrisfrizzell1050 Рік тому

      heard that an indy base with ace hanger works and handles like nothing else. Plan to try it myself.

  • @jamazonnewyork3221
    @jamazonnewyork3221 11 місяців тому

    both trucks are good. Most people ride indy. I have never seen an indy bust like that before. Most trucks i ride just bend a bit after about 5 months and i can get about one year for a set of trucks.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  11 місяців тому

      Yeah both brands are good, it just depends on what type of skating you do and what you want out of your trucks 👌🏼

  • @Mardinovic
    @Mardinovic Рік тому

    sick skating man! give Slappy trucks a try. probably you will like the inverted kingpin.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Thanks dude! Yeah I'm looking at either Ace or Slappy trucks for my next pair 🤔

    • @Mardinovic
      @Mardinovic Рік тому

      @@LeonPaxton i have been riding Thunders for over 15 years, tried Indy forged hollows(skated them only 2 weeks) and Krux standards(pretty decent) in between those years but went back to Thunders. just tried Slappy trucks just last month and i can say they feel like upgraded Thunders. haha. they have similar feeling but little heavier, taller and turns better.

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Oh really! I might have to get on to some Slappy trucks soon then!

  • @MarkPuke13
    @MarkPuke13 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for the info

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  11 місяців тому

      No problem man, thanks for watching!

  • @markdearlove8634
    @markdearlove8634 Рік тому

    Spot on review / comparison

    • @LeonPaxton
      @LeonPaxton  Рік тому

      Thanks dude, thanks for watching 🙏🏼

  • @djrealmerda
    @djrealmerda 6 місяців тому

    Rip Fausto Vitello, Indy was the best since he was alive, no promodels, sick ads, stage developing

    • @fabiendecker4936
      @fabiendecker4936 5 місяців тому +1

      Mr Vitello passed away in 2006.
      I Guess they released Koston's and maybe Rowley's in 2004 or 2005.
      Ugly. They sucked and all these promodels suck.
      Many things suck since Fausto is gone.

  • @NoCoverCharge
    @NoCoverCharge 3 місяці тому

    I’ve only skated Indy’s my whole life never had a failure not even once but I mostly skated bowls and ramps …#indytrucks