Swann is one of those guys whose performance on the biggest stage makes his case. He was phenomenal in his last 3 SB's and won SB MVP. Some of what he did in those games was magical. Same will apply when the very average Eli Manning goes in. Stenerud changed the kicking game. Yes, he had a bad year, but the flip side makes it obvious he should be in. He actually led the league in FG% 4 times & 10 times finished in the top 10. Career wise, the only guys who retired during or before his era and have a higher FG% percentages played for a much shorter time, and they're barely better. I can agree with Tippett, but it doesn't bother me whether he's in or out. Totally agree on Roger Craig, and Lester Hayes. Ward is like Tippett to me. In or out wouldn't bother me, but I lean out. Great blocker, consistent receiver, but never dominant with only 4 seasons top 10 in receptions. Playoffs help his case, though. Great video.
@@dellonmovies1702 Thank you! And thanks for watching. U got deep on your comments. I like the Eli comparable with Swann. Only difference Eli a QB, but I agree he ain't great but will get in on the first ballot.
You're judging Swann by today's standards. Swann played in an era when the running game was more important. Tippett was an outside linebacker in a 3-4 and as such he was a designated pass rusher. That's why so few 4-3 outside linebackers are in the HOF.
Lester Hayes rarely played without first greasing his hands up with Stick-Em. Now who REALLY ought to be in the Hall on defense is Jim Marshall and Gary Larsen. Marshall's streak of 270 straight starts is still a record for non-QB/K's and Larsen was the two-gap tackle that made all the pass rushing from Marshall, Alan Page, and Carl Eller possible and was an accomplished QB hunter in his own right.
You're correct on all but Swann. He did what he did in a run dominated era of football. Football is like basketball, it has changed drastically over the decades because of rule changes, diets, weight training, plyometrics, PEDS, and surgeries. All you can do is go by the era they performed in, and Swann was one of the greats.
Should be in: 1) Roman Gabriel 2) Kenny Anderson 3) Jim Marshall Should NOT get in: 1) Eli Manning (horrible to average during regular season) 2) Ben Roethisberger (overrated) 3) Luke Kuechly (didn’t play long enough)
Swann played in an era where it was all about the running game....each of your points are based on today's game, not the eras these guys actually played. Absolutely concur with Hines Ward
The kicker was great for his time. If you put today's kickers on those fields in the 1960's where they played football on baseball fields, no heated turf, the fields was NOT 100% well manicured, no Dome Stadiums, and defenses could do way more things...I'm sure they would make 68% of their Field Goals or less. Sometimes players had to shovel the field before games. Stop comparing eras. it's NOT the same game, many things changed including playing surfaces, the travel - no planes or commercial class, long bus rides
@@grandwazoo870 thanks for watching and checking in with your thoughts. Craig used to get those high knees pumping like a hot rod engine. Dude was getting it done! 🔥
The older guys were judged against the standard of the day and also as the years pass there are more and more players to choose from. Craig should be in though.
Lynn played in an era when it was run first and passed on 3rd down. And he played when the NFL had 14 games a season not 16-17 games. Defense was way more physical in the 70's. Of courses his numbers won't be like modern players who play in pass first league and way more games. Looking solely at stats to make a judgement in sports is very misleading. Many things changed over the decades. Guys now and days are literally playing for stats (Stat padding) and the league/league sponsors encourage it
I can go on all day about people in that shouldn't be. Jerry Jones tops the list but also Tony Dungy. Dungy only won a super bowl because he wasn't allowed to install his type of offense in Indy and because he faced the lame ass Bears in the super bowl. Ken Stabler was a party hound who was more interested in partying than improving his game, only had a few decent seasons 1974-77 and he sucked in Houston and New Orleans. Bill Cowher would not have lasted anywhere but Pittsburgh with the home playoff losses when he had the better team. And he only made the super bowl in 1995 because he got the colts at home in the AFC championship game. The super bowl vs Dallas proved that they were overmatched.
@@masterroshi3470Right. Thanks for checking in. I cut him a little slack cause almost all games were outdoors, but 7 seasons under 60%. One at 44%. That's just not Hall of fame worthy in any era.
@@allkindsoflists Kicking technology (biology...Physical biotech?) has come a LONG way from the 70's-80's. The soccer style kick was becoming popular during this period whereas before, the front kick style was prevalent. This is when Stenerud was active and one of the stills 2:43 you have of him clearly shows him utilizing the front kick style. Modern kickers with the new technology and techniques are far (far, far!) superior to kickers 45 years ago. I don't know, I didn't look him up, but I suspect since Stenerud was inducted, then he likely had a record that was great for the time he was kicking in. If you were the best at the time you played, should you be removed if 50 years later everyone else is better?
@@contumelious-8440 Yeah, even the best kickers of the 70's would have a hard time making an NFL roster today. Kickers had long been an afterthought for most teams and were just coming into their own in the 70's and Stenerud helped revolutionize the position. Heck, for a long time most teams didn't even have a full-time kicker.
Don't forget that Lynn Swann played in a time when there were no protections for QB's or WR's. A WR could be closelined, knocked around; QB's could be broken apart by defenders. And the run used to be a far bigger part of the game. That many receiving yards for that time was incredible.
Swann ,12 game seasons when they used to run the ball 65% of the time. Tippett was a linebacker not an edge rusher. Jan Stenerud was one of the first soccer style kickers and was very accurate for his time. I agree with your who should be in. I disagree with who should be out.
@@billyhill7630 Tippett and Swann team ring of honor, just not Hall of Fame. Season 14 games til 77' then 16 games. Thanks for watching and taking time to comment.
@@allkindsoflists 78 season on 16 games. I think you have to make an exception for the time he played in as well. Gale Sayers is in and I don't think anyone has a problem with that but he only played 5 years really and had only 2 1,000 yard seasons. It's really about the time they played in. Receivers in today's game put up massive numbers because of the time they are playing in.
@billyhill7630 Tippett played after league was evolving and he was good, so was Swann. But not Hall of Fame great. Craig not being there is insane. Super versatile runner, receiver and blocker. Probably coulda returned kicks too
Just to preach Tippett’s case, he would’ve received a lot more accolades/regard but he was playing at the same time as Lawrence Taylor. Aaron Donald’s presence doesn’t negate the HoF worthiness of e.g. Cameron Jordan, likewise Tip still has the absolute peak of a HoFer. The Play-off sack list you mention is very suspect and I wouldn’t ever hold it against someone, even if you could use it argue someone up (e.g. Willie McGinest - don’t see him as HoFer, but it’s his biggest case). I’ll also pushback since Lenny Moore was a huge dual threat RB well before Roger Craig, and even Marcus Allen existed who was a great rush and receiving threat, likewise Walter Payton etc…
@@hitchikerspie I was wondering when someone would bring up LT with Tippett. Even wore the same number. Not sure about the Cam Jordan reference to Aaron Donald but I would bet Tippett had a chip on his shoulder about LT.
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Swann is one of those guys whose performance on the biggest stage makes his case. He was phenomenal in his last 3 SB's and won SB MVP. Some of what he did in those games was magical. Same will apply when the very average Eli Manning goes in.
Stenerud changed the kicking game. Yes, he had a bad year, but the flip side makes it obvious he should be in. He actually led the league in FG% 4 times & 10 times finished in the top 10. Career wise, the only guys who retired during or before his era and have a higher FG% percentages played for a much shorter time, and they're barely better.
I can agree with Tippett, but it doesn't bother me whether he's in or out.
Totally agree on Roger Craig, and Lester Hayes. Ward is like Tippett to me. In or out wouldn't bother me, but I lean out. Great blocker, consistent receiver, but never dominant with only 4 seasons top 10 in receptions. Playoffs help his case, though. Great video.
@@dellonmovies1702 Thank you! And thanks for watching. U got deep on your comments. I like the Eli comparable with Swann. Only difference Eli a QB, but I agree he ain't great but will get in on the first ballot.
People are HOF by what they did in THEIR ERA, not by what everyone do for ALL eras.
You must be great and dominate in YOUR Era to be a HOF
You're judging Swann by today's standards. Swann played in an era when the running game was more important. Tippett was an outside linebacker in a 3-4 and as such he was a designated pass rusher. That's why so few 4-3 outside linebackers are in the HOF.
Lester Hayes rarely played without first greasing his hands up with Stick-Em. Now who REALLY ought to be in the Hall on defense is Jim Marshall and Gary Larsen. Marshall's streak of 270 straight starts is still a record for non-QB/K's and Larsen was the two-gap tackle that made all the pass rushing from Marshall, Alan Page, and Carl Eller possible and was an accomplished QB hunter in his own right.
Oh shut up about stick em it was legal. Plus nfl receivers gloves today is like a better less messy version of stick em
Ha! Thanks! I was just going to make a post suggesting Jim Marshall. Add my vote for him.
You're correct on all but Swann. He did what he did in a run dominated era of football. Football is like basketball, it has changed drastically over the decades because of rule changes, diets, weight training, plyometrics, PEDS, and surgeries. All you can do is go by the era they performed in, and Swann was one of the greats.
Hines Ward absolutely deserves to be in. If he was a QB and retired with comparable achievements at that position, he’d be a guaranteed HoFer
Should be in:
1) Roman Gabriel
2) Kenny Anderson
3) Jim Marshall
Should NOT get in:
1) Eli Manning (horrible to average during regular season)
2) Ben Roethisberger (overrated)
3) Luke Kuechly (didn’t play long enough)
Let’s get Jim Plunkentt in the hall
Swann played in an era where it was all about the running game....each of your points are based on today's game, not the eras these guys actually played. Absolutely concur with Hines Ward
Steve Tasker should be there, he redefined what a special teamer is supposed to be.
I was expecting Joe Namath to be one of those to get the boot but perhaps he was too obvious.
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The kicker was great for his time. If you put today's kickers on those fields in the 1960's where they played football on baseball fields, no heated turf, the fields was NOT 100% well manicured, no Dome Stadiums, and defenses could do way more things...I'm sure they would make 68% of their Field Goals or less. Sometimes players had to shovel the field before games.
Stop comparing eras. it's NOT the same game, many things changed including playing surfaces, the travel - no planes or commercial class, long bus rides
Good job man. Great list. Lester Hayes not being in the HOF is a travesty.
@@marcfortier6632 couldn't agree more. Just his crouched stance alone was intimidating to wide receivers
Really good video. I agree with all of these.
I agree with you about Roger Craig. He was their power gear. I thought Lester Hays was in the hall! Definitely should be.
@@grandwazoo870 thanks for watching and checking in with your thoughts. Craig used to get those high knees pumping like a hot rod engine. Dude was getting it done! 🔥
It is NOT the NFL Hall of Fame. It's the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
The older guys were judged against the standard of the day and also as the years pass there are more and more players to choose from. Craig should be in though.
Put Jim Marshall in!
@@jingallsthestud If the sack was an official stat back then, I think he'd be in already
Lynn played in an era when it was run first and passed on 3rd down. And he played when the NFL had 14 games a season not 16-17 games. Defense was way more physical in the 70's. Of courses his numbers won't be like modern players who play in pass first league and way more games.
Looking solely at stats to make a judgement in sports is very misleading. Many things changed over the decades. Guys now and days are literally playing for stats (Stat padding) and the league/league sponsors encourage it
I can go on all day about people in that shouldn't be. Jerry Jones tops the list but also Tony Dungy. Dungy only won a super bowl because he wasn't allowed to install his type of offense in Indy and because he faced the lame ass Bears in the super bowl. Ken Stabler was a party hound who was more interested in partying than improving his game, only had a few decent seasons 1974-77 and he sucked in Houston and New Orleans. Bill Cowher would not have lasted anywhere but Pittsburgh with the home playoff losses when he had the better team. And he only made the super bowl in 1995 because he got the colts at home in the AFC championship game. The super bowl vs Dallas proved that they were overmatched.
Can't believe that kicker is in was the bar that low back in the day
@@masterroshi3470Right. Thanks for checking in. I cut him a little slack cause almost all games were outdoors, but 7 seasons under 60%. One at 44%. That's just not Hall of fame worthy in any era.
@@allkindsoflists Kicking technology (biology...Physical biotech?) has come a LONG way from the 70's-80's. The soccer style kick was becoming popular during this period whereas before, the front kick style was prevalent. This is when Stenerud was active and one of the stills 2:43 you have of him clearly shows him utilizing the front kick style.
Modern kickers with the new technology and techniques are far (far, far!) superior to kickers 45 years ago. I don't know, I didn't look him up, but I suspect since Stenerud was inducted, then he likely had a record that was great for the time he was kicking in.
If you were the best at the time you played, should you be removed if 50 years later everyone else is better?
@contumelious-8440 that's a thought. Thanks for sharing. I would still clear his spot for Roger Craig in a flash
@@contumelious-8440 Yeah, even the best kickers of the 70's would have a hard time making an NFL roster today. Kickers had long been an afterthought for most teams and were just coming into their own in the 70's and Stenerud helped revolutionize the position.
Heck, for a long time most teams didn't even have a full-time kicker.
Don't forget that Lynn Swann played in a time when there were no protections for QB's or WR's. A WR could be closelined, knocked around; QB's could be broken apart by defenders. And the run used to be a far bigger part of the game. That many receiving yards for that time was incredible.
@@bigk8210 thanks for sharing your perspective 💯
Swann ,12 game seasons when they used to run the ball 65% of the time. Tippett was a linebacker not an edge rusher. Jan Stenerud was one of the first soccer style kickers and was very accurate for his time. I agree with your who should be in. I disagree with who should be out.
@@billyhill7630 Tippett and Swann team ring of honor, just not Hall of Fame. Season 14 games til 77' then 16 games. Thanks for watching and taking time to comment.
Maybe not removed but reclassified to fit their generation
@@allkindsoflists 78 season on 16 games. I think you have to make an exception for the time he played in as well. Gale Sayers is in and I don't think anyone has a problem with that but he only played 5 years really and had only 2 1,000 yard seasons. It's really about the time they played in. Receivers in today's game put up massive numbers because of the time they are playing in.
@@jonreposa2746 nah. One could argue today's stats should have asterisk because of extra games and teams not allowed to play defense.
@billyhill7630 Tippett played after league was evolving and he was good, so was Swann. But not Hall of Fame great. Craig not being there is insane. Super versatile runner, receiver and blocker. Probably coulda returned kicks too
You said lynn Swann and I clicked off
Just to preach Tippett’s case, he would’ve received a lot more accolades/regard but he was playing at the same time as Lawrence Taylor.
Aaron Donald’s presence doesn’t negate the HoF worthiness of e.g. Cameron Jordan, likewise Tip still has the absolute peak of a HoFer. The Play-off sack list you mention is very suspect and I wouldn’t ever hold it against someone, even if you could use it argue someone up (e.g. Willie McGinest - don’t see him as HoFer, but it’s his biggest case).
I’ll also pushback since Lenny Moore was a huge dual threat RB well before Roger Craig, and even Marcus Allen existed who was a great rush and receiving threat, likewise Walter Payton etc…
@@hitchikerspie I was wondering when someone would bring up LT with Tippett. Even wore the same number. Not sure about the Cam Jordan reference to Aaron Donald but I would bet Tippett had a chip on his shoulder about LT.
No Joe Nameth? Lol
@@eskewroberts7663 check out my video about worst quarterbacks in the NFL Hall of Fame. I have a hunch Joe may be lurking around somewhere in that video