Amazing the difference in technology between the old motors and the new ones. More power and less smoke. Although they clean up after a few seconds. Nice vid!
Used to love the feel of the hot smoke standing on the bridge at Cheltenham station before they rebuilt it. The drivers would sound their horns for us as they passed underneath.
They are very efficient when they are in top notch at cruising speed, you won't see any smoke then. Being old when they are accelerating they are under a lot of load, hence the more than normal dark smoke
Looks to me like signs of old tired engines that probably could use some repairs. Concerning the diesel vs gasoline argument, diesels rule. No doubt about it. It is a shame that there isn't more of a diesel selection in the American auto market. About all I ever see are big diesel trucks here. What ever happened to the small diesel cars and small diesel trucks like seen in the 80s?
modern diesels restrict the amount of fuel injected to the combustion chamber while the turbo pressure builds up , the old alco's don't have this technology , so when the drivers open the throttles to the stops there is a period when the engines run very rich , thus the black smoke , once the turbo pressure builds the mixture is correct and the ridiculous amount of smoke disappears , good operators will put the throttle on slowly , very old jerk pump technology compared to computerized unit injectors..
Ashley Royal,,your comments are the same as mines,,,,absolutely in concordance,,,the turbo is a problem specially in 4 stroke diesels,,,in Alcos this is just the problem,,at idle,,,the charger doesn"t run,,,,if the engineer applies full throttle,,,,a lot of fuel goes to the cylinders chamber,,,but wirh a poor amoount of air,,,and the result is a lot of smoke,,,full throttle at low rpm in Alcos locos dont give results,,,,the best solution,is accelerating the loco by steps,,,,then the charger gain in rpm,,,and a better air pressure go to the cylinders,the torque is better,,,and then pass to a next step,,,and if is neccesary to full throttle(notch 8),,Alcos at full throttle with the engine in high rpm,,,the chargerr worrking in correct mode,,,with load,,,the smoke is low.in Argentine some Alcos were changed the charger with other better,,,and the smoke lows a lot.
Sonny Dean They are modified ALCO locomotives. They do have a resemblance to the PA locos, but they are not PA units. These locos are built with cabs on both ends of them. This is very commonplace in Australia and Europe. Auran Trainz simulator has lots of these engines from NSW, AN, SAR, VR, etc. Of course the simulator does not properly replicate the huge amounts of exhaust the real locos belch out. Horns are also wrong in the aimulator. Oh well.
One day when it's all electric (such as the case in several parts of continental Europe and much of Japan) we won't have these relics of a bygone era to enjoy. Get em while you can
To use a quaint English expression "CLAGTASTIC". Coming back on the other side of American comments about a British loco class "Those ALCOs sound like the English Electric class 37" They certainly have the bark when under load.
Samsgarden I mean global warming is real it's just corporations and governments are screwing over the fact that it's a real problem by monetizing on it
along with planes, I reckon these are much more efficient per tonne than your average car - plus they do it in style!! The other point being is that if your car is belching black smoke out like that, then the driver behind you might crash as he cant see!! Not the same issue for a Loco!!
It looks like there's a couple of Lachlan Valley Rail Freight units shown here... They worked their locos to death without much tlc... pretty shabby operation.. now gone belly up..
To: Klote3241; Note most of SBB (Swiss Federal Railways) and other private operations in Switzerland are ELECTRIFIED! SBB had by and large went directly from steam to electricity in late 40's!
Some of those looked like somewhat modified Alco FA's. Are they? I noticed the G&W colors, too. I grew up in the 60's in the middle of their original territory, south of Rochester, New York. It was just the single short line then, servicing a salt mine. I remember thinking a small road like that couldn't last. Of course, it was the big class I lines that bit the dust; New York Central, Erie-Lackawanna, B&O... sad.
And I thought we had a graffiti problem here in the USA. At least the punks don't get the locomotives. Alco suffered from a primary design fault in it's 251's. (and 244's). The air intake is against the "Vee" of the engine, therefore negating the cooling effect of the intercooler. Hot intake air, plus the changing of direction in the air flow always made Alcos poor breathers.
Last time i checked your car didn't pull as much as these do, so don't these actually lessen the pollution by providing a singular heavyweight motive effort as opposed to the equivalent number of cars ?
Why are these quad-heading? Isn't it better practice to put double-head & double tail? I can't see the advantages of four engines up the front as opposed to split twins..
The trees and shrubs wouldn't see it that way. They can't eat smoke particles. Imagine being able to dump 10 pounds of carbon into the atmosphere at the flick of a wrist! If only the trees could talk, they would cheer!
Think they're just running them on their last legs, squeezing out all they've gor before they retire them. Bad injectors, uncalibrated oumps, loads of oil smoke 😂😂
Why are these ancient and poorly maintained locos still allowed to operate trains when they produce only two thirds of their original horsepower and tractive effort
+Klote3241 How old is old? Switzerland have 50 year old diesel locomotives that don't blow any smoke.. (Bm 4/4) even under large loads. Furthermore, they use less diesel than the new Am 843 locomotives when moving a similar load.
+Jim Jardine steam engines are about 10% efficient, diesel-electrics are rated at 25% or so -- but both are heat engines, burning fuel to make hot gas expand. electricity from power dams would be great, though railroads would need to be retrofitted with overhead cables everywhere, and power can't be transmitted huge distances without loss, so the Plains States might have trouble with hydroelectric power generation. We can only increase efficiency, reduce consumption, obtain supplies locally, recycle resources, breed less profligately
+SupernalOne Thanks for your detailed reply. I guessed as much due to the amount of man hours needed for maintainence. However, I still like steam, we should keep some going anyway!
I love smoking, belching locomotives. Cheers from eastern TN
Love these ole Alco's,doesn't matter what country has them,everybody love's them. Excellent sound ! Thanks for sharing.
Awesome! I love all the smoke in the air!
Amazing the difference in technology between the old motors and the new ones. More power and less smoke. Although they clean up after a few seconds. Nice vid!
gotta love those old diesel locos. They sound so awesome.
Yep! In Tunisia we have old GE U22C super drumming sound and smoke. Ghe new ones mame too much turbine whine.
I love the design of Australian locomotives. We had imported about 50 of these classes in the 1960s. Nostalgic to see them working in Australia
Some great action there, thanks for posting
What a truly brilliant bit of video. That ALCo sound in that first bit brought back a lot of memories.
Well done.
Excellent video. Great subject, steady camera, good videography and no music! Definitely a favorite!
Used to love the feel of the hot smoke standing on the bridge at Cheltenham station before they rebuilt it. The drivers would sound their horns for us as they passed underneath.
4 Stokes and Roots Blowers God Bless em all Great Video!
I do like the ALCOs. Better looking and sounding than the GMs and the smoke shows are the icing on the cake!
When the train leaving Cowan refuge takes a turn and smoking with the heat belching our of the engine it looks really mesmerising
I've watched this one more times than I can count, what a fantastic sound coming from those unique loco pairings.
Love the sound of diesel engine 😍😘
Amazing!!!!!
More smoke than you often see from steam locos... Gotta love Alcos.
Yeah!
Guys, the locomotives are cool, but think about the environment! ITS NOT GOOD! Go green!
They are very efficient when they are in top notch at cruising speed, you won't see any smoke then. Being old when they are accelerating they are under a lot of load, hence the more than normal dark smoke
Its weird seeing trains blowing smoke other than the steamers
When the turbos spool up then the exhausts seem to clear nicely at least on the 44s. 4 stroke any day for me. Just prefer the sound.
Looks to me like signs of old tired engines that probably could use some repairs. Concerning the diesel vs gasoline argument, diesels rule. No doubt about it. It is a shame that there isn't more of a diesel selection in the American auto market. About all I ever see are big diesel trucks here. What ever happened to the small diesel cars and small diesel trucks like seen in the 80s?
modern diesels restrict the amount of fuel injected to the combustion chamber while the turbo pressure builds up , the old alco's don't have this technology , so when the drivers open the throttles to the stops there is a period when the engines run very rich , thus the black smoke , once the turbo pressure builds the mixture is correct and the ridiculous amount of smoke disappears , good operators will put the throttle on slowly , very old jerk pump technology compared to computerized unit injectors..
Ashley Royal,,your comments are the same as mines,,,,absolutely in concordance,,,the turbo is a problem specially in 4 stroke diesels,,,in Alcos this is just the problem,,at idle,,,the charger doesn"t run,,,,if the engineer applies full throttle,,,,a lot of fuel goes to the cylinders chamber,,,but wirh a poor amoount of air,,,and the result is a lot of smoke,,,full throttle at low rpm in Alcos locos dont give results,,,,the best solution,is accelerating the loco by steps,,,,then the charger gain in rpm,,,and a better air pressure go to the cylinders,the torque is better,,,and then pass to a next step,,,and if is neccesary to full throttle(notch 8),,Alcos at full throttle with the engine in high rpm,,,the chargerr worrking in correct mode,,,with load,,,the smoke is low.in Argentine some Alcos were changed the charger with other better,,,and the smoke lows a lot.
Not to mention that Diesel fuels are more costly than gasoline fuel.
@Aussie Pom Is it akin to (but half as bad as) the "bunker" fuel type situation in the cruise/cargo ships?
I've never seen Alco PA's in operation before. That was cool.
Sonny Dean They are modified ALCO locomotives. They do have a resemblance to the PA locos, but they are not PA units. These locos are built with cabs on both ends of them. This is very commonplace in Australia and Europe.
Auran Trainz simulator has lots of these engines from NSW, AN, SAR, VR, etc. Of course the simulator does not properly replicate the huge amounts of exhaust the real locos belch out. Horns are also wrong in the aimulator. Oh well.
Very good with plenty of clag, as we call it
Diesel fuel must have been cheap in those days!
And this is why NSW is no longer plagued by mosquitos. ;-)
Ah. The burble of a four stroke also. Nothing better.
Justin Newhall I think the environment is better, you!?
@@railhunterproductions we found one.
Perfect!
One day when it's all electric (such as the case in several parts of continental Europe and much of Japan) we won't have these relics of a bygone era to enjoy. Get em while you can
fun thing that i have an ad on the right side of the video that says, "Cut down on Co2, travel by train"
Sounds and smokes like good old ALCO's from the USA. Miss those old locos.
TGs Trains Vlogs they did
Before the global warming is interesting because of the locomotive's polution!👍
Very nice capture bro
I impressed
Great video
To use a quaint English expression "CLAGTASTIC".
Coming back on the other side of American comments about a British loco class
"Those ALCOs sound like the English Electric class 37" They certainly have the bark when under load.
Now that's what I call old jalopies ! Lol
they might be smoky but they sure do sound good.
This is great stuff....I just subbed, Craig
Yeah you know,what about you you know this locomotives?
May be time for a rebuild...
What a difference the clean diesel electric makes compared with the old smokey coal burning locos. ;P
Super video
trees etc have enough CO2.
Very greedy trees.
Those can't Alco PA's, are or can they? If it is that's the coolest thing ever. If not its still really cool to see FA's!!!!
No, they're not PAs or FAs but Australian license-manufactured Alco units which have 3-wheel bogies, not 2-wheel like the FAs.
+Tim Post If I remember correctly they are Alco DL500.
Varinki
That's the type.....DL500.
liked cuz it has G&W colors in it.
well on the plus side at least all the CO2 in that exhaust is good for the trees
rparker069 It's okay. Nobody cares about global warming anymore.
Samsgarden sad but true
rparker069
Nah, it's a good thing. They only wanted to control world economies anyway. Did you think this had anything to do with the environment?
Samsgarden I mean global warming is real it's just corporations and governments are screwing over the fact that it's a real problem by monetizing on it
I think they produce toxic CO and fine black carbon particles which cause cancer.
Old School Is The Best School
Lovely stuff.
EMD's always sound better when working hard, esp the older EMD's (645's for example)
Smoke rules!
would be cool to see more vids like this
super video
This must have been a long train!!
Nothing wrong with a little maintenance on these ol things
better carbon powder settling to earth than CO2 we could say!
that is surely some clagging :)
Thanks, obviously I didn't know what NSW stood for, lol!
Wow, 7 years. Btw, nsw stand for New South Wales, a state in Australia and the one that has Sydney
These seem to be built for different profiles, the second is much smaller.
along with planes, I reckon these are much more efficient per tonne than your average car - plus they do it in style!!
The other point being is that if your car is belching black smoke out like that, then the driver behind you might crash as he cant see!! Not the same issue for a Loco!!
Wow, are the first locos PA1´s?The 3rd paint scheme lokk like the orange of Genesee&Wyoming.Great vid.
It looks like there's a couple of Lachlan Valley Rail Freight units shown here... They worked their locos to death without much tlc... pretty shabby operation.. now gone belly up..
In this video at 2:44 Black locomotive seem The color like NS train in america!.
To: Klote3241; Note most of SBB (Swiss Federal Railways) and other private operations in Switzerland are ELECTRIFIED! SBB had by and large went directly from steam to electricity in late 40's!
EPA?!! Nah stuff that lolz.
ALCOS...SIMPLY.THE BEST.
Some of those looked like somewhat modified Alco FA's. Are they?
I noticed the G&W colors, too. I grew up in the 60's in the middle of their original territory, south of Rochester, New York.
It was just the single short line then, servicing a salt mine. I remember thinking a small road like that couldn't last. Of course, it was the big class I lines that bit the dust; New York Central, Erie-Lackawanna, B&O... sad.
Great video! Thumbs up and i also subscribed to your channel 👍🏽
Greetings from Finland,
Juha :)
Thanks JuhaVnt and greetings to you from Australia.
Nice !
They dont make em like they used to. Dirty, stinky, loud, abnoxious. Bring back the 44 class!
I second that :-)
i miss are damn alcos
Wonder now if these old birds would take up vaping? lol
THESE TRAINS ARE FUCKEN TUFF ! LISTEN TO THAT SOUND FROM 3:52 SOUNDS FUCKEN TUFF !
.......and how does our new 'carbon' tax measure up with this!! The more smoke the better...live on ALCO :)
oh yes - more more more
What's the strange purple livery on the 4488?
Well, at least they're turbocharged...
also it looks like they may have a leaky cylinder head as well
EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT GO GREEN DONT LET THIS
And I thought we had a graffiti problem here in the USA. At least the punks don't get the locomotives. Alco suffered from a primary design fault in it's 251's. (and 244's). The air intake is against the "Vee" of the engine, therefore negating the cooling effect of the intercooler. Hot intake air, plus the changing of direction in the air flow always made Alcos poor breathers.
Last time i checked your car didn't pull as much as these do, so don't these actually lessen the pollution by providing a singular heavyweight motive effort as opposed to the equivalent number of cars ?
How many of these survive in museums ?
4435 needs major work but I have seen worse!
1:10 Alcock wdm1
and they say that diesel is a clean bio fuel.
i agree
Fucken charff cutters! All smoke and no go! I bet those GMs were working harder than those 44 class shitheaps!
Anyone got a calendar? I'd like to measure the turbo lag! Love ALCOs......
Why are these quad-heading? Isn't it better practice to put double-head & double tail? I can't see the advantages of four engines up the front as opposed to split twins..
As per title NSW (New South Wales, Australia)
holy crap it look like they did not take good care of the engine or blow the engine cylinders
Wait!,this locomotive is fat!, WOW not just dirty but unique.👍
The trees and shrubs wouldn't see it that way. They can't eat smoke particles. Imagine being able to dump 10 pounds of carbon into the atmosphere at the flick of a wrist! If only the trees could talk, they would cheer!
try looking after these locos.there should hardly any smoke coming out. ie, overhaul power units
Think they're just running them on their last legs, squeezing out all they've gor before they retire them. Bad injectors, uncalibrated oumps, loads of oil smoke 😂😂
And they said steam engines pollute a lot. I call horse shit on that.
Why are these ancient and poorly maintained locos still allowed to operate trains when they produce only two thirds of their original horsepower and tractive effort
they work perfectly fine apart from exhaust.
Yeah you stupid Ass Hat
Oh,No . Too heavy Black smoke . Please call firemen resue now !
Nothin' but a little bit of good clean smoke!
well
You people don't know what a climb this is..
what was the purple and white livery
Surely this is NOT in the USA !?!
Nothing wrong with back smoke
Why have we traded steam engines for Diesels if we wanted to reduce pollution?
Diesels seem to produce as much or more so how can we win?
+Jim Jardine diesels can be cleaner u just gotta get rid of the old diesels stop using old engines
+Klote3241 How old is old? Switzerland have 50 year old diesel locomotives that don't blow any smoke.. (Bm 4/4) even under large loads. Furthermore, they use less diesel than the new Am 843 locomotives when moving a similar load.
+Jim Jardine Efficiency.
+Jim Jardine steam engines are about 10% efficient, diesel-electrics are rated at 25% or so -- but both are heat engines, burning fuel to make hot gas expand. electricity from power dams would be great, though railroads would need to be retrofitted with overhead cables everywhere, and power can't be transmitted huge distances without loss, so the Plains States might have trouble with hydroelectric power generation. We can only increase efficiency, reduce consumption, obtain supplies locally, recycle resources, breed less profligately
+SupernalOne Thanks for your detailed reply. I guessed as much due to the amount of man hours needed for maintainence. However, I still like steam, we should keep some going anyway!
Alcos?
Why NSW railroad have Tall locomotive but Dirty,If you dont have Service center dont ride this locomotive.right?