WOW!!!!! I wish I found this video 6 years ago. I just set up mic Vocal Mic and Guitar Mic this way, and the Isolation between the two that I've been trying to achieve is FINALLY THERE!!!!
Really really nice end result Joe!!! And thank you for the recording tips. Im really impressed with how little guitarbleed actually went to the vocal mic.
Hi Joe, thank you so much for your video! It really helps. If I may ask, what kind of reverb did you use at 14:25 ? Also, where I can listen to this amazing song ? Couldn’t find it on Spotify. Thanks a lot!
Good video! Thank you. I noticed when you soloed the 2 tracks, the Mini K47 section there were no vocals being sung on that section, so can’t really hear the mic rejection of the vocal. The vocal mic demonstrated its rejection.
that's a great technique and I'll probably try that out but i feel like it ends up being pretty studio sounding instead of live. I would suggest, although who am I to do so?, putting a third mic just behind those to capture one shot and listen back to see if it's usable. That way with one mic you get the sense of being in the room and where you are in relation. With two mics that all disappears and seems like it may have been recorded separately anyways. Just my thoughts. Hilarious ending.
Thanks! I just donated free studio time for hurricane Harvey benefit and the singer songwriters are coming in next month. My goal is to make them an awesome demo! I have a TLM 103 and a pair of CS1000 I've had pretty good results from. One of them will be playing fiddle! I always do a line in recording just for back up along with the live recording. Sometimes if the line and recording is Deason I might blend a little bit of it in with the live to do up a little painting and stuff.
Why didn't you double the guitar tracks and pan them left and right to expand the soundstage and give room for the vocals to shine more in the center? Just curious about the reasoning for your choice.
@@HomeStudioCorner I don`t mean overdubs. I mean just duplicating the one guitar track and pan it right and left for more width. Or have two mics for the guitar and pan them left and right. I`m just curious why you didn't do that and chose to have everything in the center.
Because that is a very common mistake that causes phase issues and ruins the mix. Watch this video for specifics: THIS IS NOT STEREO ua-cam.com/video/od_YQs0mIqs/v-deo.html
@@HomeStudioCorner You are not answering my question. I was considering buying your online courses but the way you reply to my messages is not very helpful. At 5 minutes and 20 seconds into this video one of the most knowledgable and experienced people in the business is demonstrating and teaching how to record an acoustic guitar with two mics like I told you about in my initial question. He specifically does this to widen the sound of the guitar and make the vocals shine in the center. Here’s the video: ua-cam.com/video/qggDfSVkU0o/v-deo.htmlsi=ACAmHcNSDvLoJ033 Graham Cochrane is also teaching this way of recording acoustic guitars in stereo for the same reason. So my question remains the same and unaswered. Why didn’t you record the guitar with two mics at the same time and pan left and right to widen the soundstage and leave room for the vocals to shine in the center?
Sorry just seeing this. Maybe you typed it wrong, but in one of your comments you wrote: " I mean just duplicating the one guitar track and pan it right and left for more width." That's why I responded that way. To your question about why I didn't record with two mics on the guitar...mainly I didn't want to. Secondly, when you use two mics you end up picking up more vocal in one mic over the other, so the mix can sound lop-sided. Thirdly, one more mic means 50% more potential phase issues. But really the main answer is we wanted to keep it simple. A simple mono recording. Not saying it's wrong to use multiple mics. I just didn't feel the need that day, for the reasons listed above.
Hey, great video. Would this also work with a Small diaphragm condenser microphone on the guitar and a dynamic microphone for vocals? Or will there be too much bleed on the recording of the acoustic guitar? Thanks a lot for your response in advance!
Great input- thx for your knowledge. I've been trying to record with my TC Helicon Voice Live Acoustic box & my Tascam 2x2 interface. Unfortunately, I don't think its going to be possible because the way the TC Helicon works is it uses a pitch correction software that requires the voice and guitar to come through the pedal, I dont think I can use the guitar line in with a condenser mic. Of course I've been using just the Line In jack thru the pedal to my interface, but definitely not quality guitar pick up using my aftermarket internal pickup... Perhaps I'll try doing them seperate, or use a SM57 for vocals and see if I can use a condenser for the guitar pick up. Honestly, I feel the TC pedal is kinda shitty and not worth the $300 I paid, but don't know enough about audio mixing to play around without it. Thx for the vid!
Hi Joe, I was wondering whats your opinion on the Rode NT1-A vs the Mini K47? Seeing that there's only a $70 difference between the two. I own the Rode and love it. Hopefully SweetWater will start carrying the Roswell Mic line soon.
It's been a few years since I used the NT1A, but I remember liking it. I'm not good at comparing mics, but the Mini K47 felt warmer than what I remember the NT1A feeling.
Hi Geddy, regarding Sweetwater, please ask your rep to special order the Mini K47 for you. We'd be happy to work with them to get Roswell mics to you. Regarding the NT1-A, it's a nicely built mic with a very different sound than the Mini K47. I personally prefer the Mini K47 for the sources I record, but YMMV. Ultimately, you'd have to compare them yourself to see which works better for you, your clients, and your room. These two microphones sound different, and will favor different sources. See my UA-cam channel for many example/demo videos. In the recent Little Wing video, the Mini was used on drum OH, guitar cab, and bass cab, with great results. Raw stem tracks from that session can be downloaded from the Roswell website.
I just got one from Zen Audio tonight ordered on line i didn't see that Sweetwater carried Roswell Pro Audio? I try to buy from Sweetwater do you do the finance deals? Roswell would really do well @ Sweetwater.
This was great! Thanks Joe. What is your personal opinion on this mic setup (with two Roswells) as compared to using the two pencil microphones in XY configuration for capturing the guitar? BTW, thanks as always for all you do. Learning tons over here.
Thanks for watching. I wouldn't use XY on the guitar in this scenario, because the vocal bleed would be on one side of the stereo spectrum, making the vocal feel off-center in the mix. For stuff like this, I use one mic per source.
Joe Gilder • Home Studio Corner what about with a M&S setup on the guitar? I’ve not tried that technique as I don’t have a fig-8 pattern mic but wouldn’t that allow you to angle your main mic down still, while the 8 pattern would still reject the vocals pretty well?
Great production again Joe, I bought myself a sontronics Stc 3x, have you ever used them in your recordings. I only wish I saw this clip before, I bought my studio mic, but hey ho. Cheers Gerry
So I’ve tried this and the guitar mic has really good isolation - I can barely hear the vocals in that track at all when I solo the track. With the vocal mic I’m having trouble keeping the guitar sound out. Any tips? (I’m using two Rode NT1-As, the vocal one is upside down like you suggest and the guitar one is pointing down a bit, so the two mics are about 90 degrees off-axis relative to each other).
Hey, my problem is just the opposite.....I can't get the vocals out of the guitar...... with my vocals I either use a dynamic mic up close or the condenser right side up tilted a little back and to the right.....both work
Thanks for the awesome video! You did a great job positioning the mics to minimize bleed. And I appreciate the info about phasing! For those looking for video shortcuts, here's the mic setup: ua-cam.com/video/DzGPWFRReg8/v-deo.html and here's the recording of how much bleed you get from each mic: ua-cam.com/video/DzGPWFRReg8/v-deo.html
NICE!!! Love Casella so much! I have been wanting to do this exact thing to make an acoustic EP. How do you go about mixing/blending the parts? I may be over thinking it but it is volume fades and everything in the middle?
Hey Chris! What I like about this approach is you can't really do to much with it. I balance 'em, a little EQ, a little compression and reverb, and done.
WOW!!!!! I wish I found this video 6 years ago. I just set up mic Vocal Mic and Guitar Mic this way, and the Isolation between the two that I've been trying to achieve is FINALLY THERE!!!!
What a musician.. love it
Super clear, Joe. Thanks so much for this great video.
Really really nice end result Joe!!! And thank you for the recording tips. Im really impressed with how little guitarbleed actually went to the vocal mic.
Worked well!
Totally agree - the Roswell mics and positioning gave surprisingly good separation. Makes me want to try them on other applications. :)
That song at 1:15 oooomg , what a voice !!
BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Great reverb/delay for that song and performance!
Jeremy's idea. I like it. :)
@@HomeStudioCorner that reverb delay sound deserves an extra video...do it...do it...do it....ok, please
Thanks Joe
“How’s that for honesty?”,😂😂😂Love it.
Thanks for this, I am going to mic this way for my home recordings!
the final mix was nicely put together. Awesome performance from the artist too.
Thanks for watching!
Hi Joe, thank you so much for your video! It really helps. If I may ask, what kind of reverb did you use at 14:25 ? Also, where I can listen to this amazing song ? Couldn’t find it on Spotify.
Thanks a lot!
Good video! Thank you. I noticed when you soloed the 2 tracks, the Mini K47 section there were no vocals being sung on that section, so can’t really hear the mic rejection of the vocal. The vocal mic demonstrated its rejection.
Beautiful video !
How do you Pan the tracks in the final mix ?
Thanks !
That was great. Thank you.
Thanks Joe! Nicely done and presented. Great mix at the end. Nice to know you can't stop all the "bleed".
Very nice! From both ends. Performance and the mix was beautiful!!
Thanks Gary.
Thanks a lot! This is just excellent tutorial with great examples.
✌🏼
Can you talk about the idea of your reverb on the vocals? Thanks
Lovly advise...great 👍
that's a great technique and I'll probably try that out but i feel like it ends up being pretty studio sounding instead of live. I would suggest, although who am I to do so?, putting a third mic just behind those to capture one shot and listen back to see if it's usable. That way with one mic you get the sense of being in the room and where you are in relation. With two mics that all disappears and seems like it may have been recorded separately anyways. Just my thoughts. Hilarious ending.
It's not a bad suggestion. If it was an amazing-sounding room I would maybe try it.
Or you know, you could just add reverb 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks! I just donated free studio time for hurricane Harvey benefit and the singer songwriters are coming in next month. My goal is to make them an awesome demo!
I have a TLM 103 and a pair of CS1000 I've had pretty good results from. One of them will be playing fiddle! I always do a line in recording just for back up along with the live recording. Sometimes if the line and recording is Deason I might blend a little bit of it in with the live to do up a little painting and stuff.
Very cool!
Joe, that sounded really good!
Thanks Jerry!
Thank you💯💯💯🇵🇭
Can you tune the vocals after? or will there be too much guitar bleed??
No you can’t. Sing in tune!
Really interesting mic technique to try out. Thanks!
Great job, thanks for sharing. God bless you.
Thanks for watching, Roland.
Great tutorial! Have a session coming up with a guitar/singer......this really helped.
Thanx Joe, very helpful👍
Nice one Joe
Why didn't you double the guitar tracks and pan them left and right to expand the soundstage and give room for the vocals to shine more in the center? Just curious about the reasoning for your choice.
Because that wouldn’t be live. The whole point of this was to capture a live performance. Overdubs make it not a live performance but something else.
@@HomeStudioCorner I don`t mean overdubs. I mean just duplicating the one guitar track and pan it right and left for more width. Or have two mics for the guitar and pan them left and right. I`m just curious why you didn't do that and chose to have everything in the center.
Because that is a very common mistake that causes phase issues and ruins the mix. Watch this video for specifics:
THIS IS NOT STEREO
ua-cam.com/video/od_YQs0mIqs/v-deo.html
@@HomeStudioCorner You are not answering my question. I was considering buying your online courses but the way you reply to my messages is not very helpful.
At 5 minutes and 20 seconds into this video one of the most knowledgable and experienced people in the business is demonstrating and teaching how to record an acoustic guitar with two mics like I told you about in my initial question. He specifically does this to widen the sound of the guitar and make the vocals shine in the center. Here’s the video: ua-cam.com/video/qggDfSVkU0o/v-deo.htmlsi=ACAmHcNSDvLoJ033
Graham Cochrane is also teaching this way of recording acoustic guitars in stereo for the same reason.
So my question remains the same and unaswered. Why didn’t you record the guitar with two mics at the same time and pan left and right to widen the soundstage and leave room for the vocals to shine in the center?
Sorry just seeing this. Maybe you typed it wrong, but in one of your comments you wrote: " I mean just duplicating the one guitar track and pan it right and left for more width." That's why I responded that way.
To your question about why I didn't record with two mics on the guitar...mainly I didn't want to. Secondly, when you use two mics you end up picking up more vocal in one mic over the other, so the mix can sound lop-sided. Thirdly, one more mic means 50% more potential phase issues.
But really the main answer is we wanted to keep it simple. A simple mono recording. Not saying it's wrong to use multiple mics. I just didn't feel the need that day, for the reasons listed above.
Brilliant Joe! Thank You
nice song...
I love when videos dont get straight to the point lol
Seán O'Brien you must be new here 😂
Cool
Hey, great video. Would this also work with a Small diaphragm condenser microphone on the guitar and a dynamic microphone for vocals? Or will there be too much bleed on the recording of the acoustic guitar? Thanks a lot for your response in advance!
Wouldn't it be better to use a SHURE SM7B for the vocals?
Depends on the vibe you’re after.
What processing did you do when you mixed and mastered?
Sounds great man 🎙🎙🎙🎶🎵🎼
Thank you very much for this video!
Just a short newbie question, why did you use a condenser microphone for vocals and not dynamic microphone?
Because I like the way it sounds. :)
@@HomeStudioCorner Haha well that's a good reason! But do you have any technical reasons?
I just want to record my [guitar+singing+video+mixing] No extra beats or anything. Please help me. Thank you.
would you recommend using two different mics? One for vocals, one for guitar even if they are different brands?
Obviously 😂
do you have video how to mixing this song ?
Would you share the interface and software that you use? Thank you for the critical information.
Stephen
Great input- thx for your knowledge. I've been trying to record with my TC Helicon Voice Live Acoustic box & my Tascam 2x2 interface. Unfortunately, I don't think its going to be possible because the way the TC Helicon works is it uses a pitch correction software that requires the voice and guitar to come through the pedal, I dont think I can use the guitar line in with a condenser mic. Of course I've been using just the Line In jack thru the pedal to my interface, but definitely not quality guitar pick up using my aftermarket internal pickup... Perhaps I'll try doing them seperate, or use a SM57 for vocals and see if I can use a condenser for the guitar pick up. Honestly, I feel the TC pedal is kinda shitty and not worth the $300 I paid, but don't know enough about audio mixing to play around without it. Thx for the vid!
Great video man, thanks
I should get me one of those... The artist not the mic.
Hahahaha
Hi Joe, I was wondering whats your opinion on the Rode NT1-A vs the Mini K47? Seeing that there's only a $70 difference between the two. I own the Rode and love it. Hopefully SweetWater will start carrying the Roswell Mic line soon.
It's been a few years since I used the NT1A, but I remember liking it. I'm not good at comparing mics, but the Mini K47 felt warmer than what I remember the NT1A feeling.
Hi Geddy, regarding Sweetwater, please ask your rep to special order the Mini K47 for you. We'd be happy to work with them to get Roswell mics to you. Regarding the NT1-A, it's a nicely built mic with a very different sound than the Mini K47. I personally prefer the Mini K47 for the sources I record, but YMMV. Ultimately, you'd have to compare them yourself to see which works better for you, your clients, and your room. These two microphones sound different, and will favor different sources. See my UA-cam channel for many example/demo videos. In the recent Little Wing video, the Mini was used on drum OH, guitar cab, and bass cab, with great results. Raw stem tracks from that session can be downloaded from the Roswell website.
Thanks Joe for the quick response and Roswell Audio :)
I just got one from Zen Audio tonight ordered on line i didn't see that Sweetwater carried Roswell Pro Audio? I try to buy from Sweetwater do you do the finance deals? Roswell would really do well @ Sweetwater.
Did you use the figure 8 pickup pattern? Or are both mics cardioid? If it's the latter, I'm impressed by the amount of separation!
This was great! Thanks Joe. What is your personal opinion on this mic setup (with two Roswells) as compared to using the two pencil microphones in XY configuration for capturing the guitar? BTW, thanks as always for all you do. Learning tons over here.
Thanks for watching. I wouldn't use XY on the guitar in this scenario, because the vocal bleed would be on one side of the stereo spectrum, making the vocal feel off-center in the mix. For stuff like this, I use one mic per source.
Joe Gilder • Home Studio Corner what about with a M&S setup on the guitar? I’ve not tried that technique as I don’t have a fig-8 pattern mic but wouldn’t that allow you to angle your main mic down still, while the 8 pattern would still reject the vocals pretty well?
Great production again Joe, I bought myself a sontronics Stc 3x, have you ever used them in your recordings. I only wish I saw this clip before, I bought my studio mic, but hey ho. Cheers Gerry
I have, great piece of kit! :)
12:18 lol.
Like always, thank you, Joe.
Awesome!
Nice Djembe table BTW. ;)
Gotta use it for something. ;)
So I’ve tried this and the guitar mic has really good isolation - I can barely hear the vocals in that track at all when I solo the track. With the vocal mic I’m having trouble keeping the guitar sound out. Any tips? (I’m using two Rode NT1-As, the vocal one is upside down like you suggest and the guitar one is pointing down a bit, so the two mics are about 90 degrees off-axis relative to each other).
Hey, my problem is just the opposite.....I can't get the vocals out of the guitar...... with my vocals I either use a dynamic mic up close or the condenser right side up tilted a little back and to the right.....both work
Thanks for the awesome video! You did a great job positioning the mics to minimize bleed. And I appreciate the info about phasing! For those looking for video shortcuts, here's the mic setup: ua-cam.com/video/DzGPWFRReg8/v-deo.html and here's the recording of how much bleed you get from each mic: ua-cam.com/video/DzGPWFRReg8/v-deo.html
NICE!!! Love Casella so much! I have been wanting to do this exact thing to make an acoustic EP. How do you go about mixing/blending the parts? I may be over thinking it but it is volume fades and everything in the middle?
Hey Chris! What I like about this approach is you can't really do to much with it. I balance 'em, a little EQ, a little compression and reverb, and done.
Thanks so much!
what is the name of the song ? )
Let It All Go
thanks
🤠
Fuck I’ve been reading your name as “Joe Glider” for years 🤦🏻♂️
Great practical advice. Love the crisp video!